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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on September 09, 2017, 10:06:27 AM
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germany wins 84-81 thies score 22 points 8 for 9 and 7 rebounds-
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Yeah, I support France and he killed us. Basically kept digging into our lead for 3 quarters, made HUGE shots down the stretch and was relentless. We lost but I can take solace in his very promising talent - although FIBA success doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA. Schroder was unstoppable and yet he is not that good in playoff games.
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Yeah, I support France and he killed us. Basically kept digging into our lead for 3 quarters, made HUGE shots down the stretch and was relentless. We lost but I can take solace in his very promising talent - although FIBA success doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA. Schroder was unstoppable and yet he is not that good in playoff games.
Theis looks like a high motor garbageman. I think he'll get some run with his defense...
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Brad has already rubbed of on him lol
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It must be a state secret his wingspan
He could be like a jerebko
Hard to get excited these days with trim tweeners.
I watched him score on Diaw but it looked like he got the worst of it
Maybe we are going to need some cheap contracts
My dark horse is semi -he went trained at hoop house with tatum -watch the video
These are dedicated rookies-semi,tatum,yabusele
theis has defense and can shoot but the competition is severe this year no more james youngs and rj hunters
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Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvxPpYcgBA
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Impressive, I also watched Germany vs iseral, I think he got 15/15/3blk, very active on the board, I think he can be a good backup small ball centre
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does't Yabu represent France as well? I guess he didn't play right? It would've been nice seeing Yabu vs Theis
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Theis might walk onto our team more NBA ready than some of the young blood. He seems to have good toughness and concentration. Probably not going to be pulling boards off the rim ten feet out of his zone but it seems like he's got solid positioning. Could be a solid option to both stick next to Horford and back him up.
Solid signing and should be really valuable come the stretch around game 50.
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does't Yabu represent France as well? I guess he didn't play right? It would've been nice seeing Yabu vs Theis
Yabu isn't in the team
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Theis highlights
https://youtu.be/2ceXL_wpt9Q
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Who does he compare to right now in the NBA?
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This guy may surprise. He might be the most athletic big on the roster and can stretch the floor. Not your traditional big man by any means but seems to have some qualities that may play out in Stevens system.
From what I've read, he's a very good defender. He also helps cover the loss of Olynyk/big man who can shoot because outside of Horford, the Cs don't have anyone else who can do that.
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Nice. Theis with 2 3s and a mid-range jumper in the final few minutes to really put the game away.
He's not the biggest guy, but he's athletic and good leaper. He's got some skill. Far quicker and more athletic than any big man we trotted out there last year.
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I like Theis. IMO he is better placed to earn minutes in our rotation than Yabusele or Ojeleye.
Having said this, don't put too much stock in Eurobasket stats, the Euroleague is more reliable.
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I like Theis. IMO he is better placed to earn minutes in our rotation than Yabusele or Ojeleye.
Having said this, don't put too much stock in Eurobasket stats, the Euroleague is more reliable.
Do you think That Danny is counting on Theis as the 3rd center, or BIG, off the bench?
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I like Theis. IMO he is better placed to earn minutes in our rotation than Yabusele or Ojeleye.
Having said this, don't put too much stock in Eurobasket stats, the Euroleague is more reliable.
Do you think That Danny is counting on Theis as the 3rd center, or BIG, off the bench?
well, that may be possible since theis is 6'9". he could be a living oxymoron...a small big. ;D
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I like Theis. IMO he is better placed to earn minutes in our rotation than Yabusele or Ojeleye.
Having said this, don't put too much stock in Eurobasket stats, the Euroleague is more reliable.
Do you think That Danny is counting on Theis as the 3rd center, or BIG, off the bench?
well, that may be possible since theis is 6'9". he could be a living oxymoron...a small big. ;D
Amir Johnson is 6'9" as well and was the starting center for The Celtics last year.
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He may be our new Jonas or more....
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Who does he compare to right now in the NBA?
Physically, Theis measures out similar to a young Joel Anthony. 6' 9" with a huge wingspan. And like Anthony was, Theis is a tough, physical, defensive-minded player. Theis is a much better offensive player, though, with a nice outside shot that fits the modern game.
Theis may be short to the top of his head for a C, but he's very strong, has that big wingspan and has shown no fear of mixing it up with big 7 footers in Europe. So I'm not too worried about his size. If he has problems translating his game it will be with things like the speed of the NBA and getting called for touch fouls.
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He may be our new Jonas or more....
Agree. Good motor, works hard, decent shooter, plays defense (Theis the better inside defender, Jonas probably better further out). Can also block some shots, which Jonas isn't very good at.
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Luka Doncic comes to mind.
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Are you the kid in elementary school who killed Santa Claus for everyone too?
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Are you the kid in elementary school who killed Santa Claus for everyone too?
Wait, what happened to Santa?
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Are you the kid in elementary school who killed Santa Claus for everyone too?
No, I'm the man in real life who has to keep reminding people to temper their expectations.
Theis is an undersized big who plays center in Europe, but (at 6'9" / 220) to play that position here. At 25 years old he has already spent 5 seasons in Europe - and he's yet to average more than 22 minutes, 10 points or 5 rebounds in that entire 5 year stretch. His shooting numbers are promising (hopefully he can add some value as a stretch big) but I just don't see how a guy who struggles to stay on the court in Eurobaset is going to hold down a consistent rotation spot on an NBA team with championship aspirations.
Zizic has a prototypical NBA body for a center (at 6'11" / 260 lbs with a 7'5" wingspan) and put up better numbers in Euroleague as a 19 year old , yet he struggled against the same Summer League scrubs that Jaylen Brown scored 30+ against and Jayson Tatum averaged 18/10 against...
I just don't there there is any point at all in getting excited over international stats, because they typically say very little about how a player is going to manage in the NBA. So if people want to feel positive about some of the individual skills he brings that they fell might translate, then ok. Bu Getting hyped because he put up a good scoring game against another Euro team really is probably a great way to set yourself up for disappointment. Didn't Kelly Olynyk score 30 in one game for Canada or something? I know Shavlik Randolph averaged like 30 / 15 in China before coming here and riding Boston's pine.
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Are you the kid in elementary school who killed Santa Claus for everyone too?
No, I'm the man in real life who has to keep reminding people to temper their expectations.
Theis is an undersized big who plays center in Europe, but (at 6'9" / 220) to play that position here. At 25 years old he has already spent 5 seasons in Europe - and he's yet to average more than 22 minutes, 10 points or 5 rebounds in that entire 5 year stretch. His shooting numbers are promising (hopefully he can add some value as a stretch big) but I just don't see how a guy who struggles to stay on the court in Eurobaset is going to hold down a consistent rotation spot on an NBA team with championship aspirations.
Zizic has a prototypical NBA body for a center (at 6'11" / 260 lbs with a 7'5" wingspan) and put up better numbers in Euroleague as a 19 year old , yet he struggled against the same Summer League scrubs that Jaylen Brown scored 30+ against and Jayson Tatum averaged 18/10 against...
I just don't there there is any point at all in getting excited over international stats, because they typically say very little about how a player is going to manage in the NBA. So if people want to feel positive about some of the individual skills he brings that they fell might translate, then ok. Bu Getting hyped because he put up a good scoring game against another Euro team really is probably a great way to set yourself up for disappointment. Didn't Kelly Olynyk score 30 in one game for Canada or something? I know Shavlik Randolph averaged like 30 / 15 in China before coming here and riding Boston's pine.
Theis should only get spot minutes this year unless there are injuries. He does look like a hustle bench guy that can go full speed while he's on the floor. He also has a really good looking outside shot. The speed of the NBA game is always an issue for any incoming player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32bal9DQWGg
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Yeah, I can certainly see a couple of aspects of his game here and there that I could see as potential perks for Boston.
The outside shot is nice, and he looks to be a solid rebounder and rim protector which we certainly could use. I'm just weary of expecting him to give us much more than 10-15 MPG as a backup PF.
I do think that he's a nice compliment to Baynes off the bench though - with Baynes being bigger, slower and more interior focussed, Theis is a bit smaller, more agile, and has a more effective perimeter game and more likely to be able to switch on to wings and defend the P&R.
I'm also pleasantly surprised by Shanke Larkin. I never really checked out his stats, just assumed he was a D-League scrub. But he actually put up some pretty decent numbers in his last year at Brooklyn (7.3 PTS, 4.2 AST, 1.2 STL in 20 MPG) and shot decent too (44%, 36% 3PT, 78% FT) - that's pretty solid production for a backup PG, which is nice considering he will likely be a third string backup for us behind Kyrie and Rozier (I assume Smart will start at SG).
I was initially very concerned about out bench depth, but the more I look at it, the more excited I'm actually starting to get. If we start Smart at SG and Morris at PF, then that gives us a second unit of Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Theis and Baynes - that's actually a pretty nice lineup that gives a nice balance between offense, defence, size and athleticism.
Then we basically have a 3d unit of Larkin, Nader, Ojeleye and Yabusele as pretty much 3rd string backups - that's actually a pretty deep bench. Not a very PROVEN bench, but deep none the less.
See, not EVERYTHING I say is negative lol
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Zizic has a 7-2 wingspan--i have not been able to find Theis it most be to secret but sure seem elite
Are you the kid in elementary school who killed Santa Claus for everyone too?
No, I'm the man in real life who has to keep reminding people to temper their expectations.
Theis is an undersized big who plays center in Europe, but (at 6'9" / 220) to play that position here. At 25 years old he has already spent 5 seasons in Europe - and he's yet to average more than 22 minutes, 10 points or 5 rebounds in that entire 5 year stretch. His shooting numbers are promising (hopefully he can add some value as a stretch big) but I just don't see how a guy who struggles to stay on the court in Eurobaset is going to hold down a consistent rotation spot on an NBA team with championship aspirations.
Zizic has a prototypical NBA body for a center (at 6'11" / 260 lbs with a 7'5" wingspan) and put up better numbers in Euroleague as a 19 year old , yet he struggled against the same Summer League scrubs that Jaylen Brown scored 30+ against and Jayson Tatum averaged 18/10 against...
I just don't there there is any point at all in getting excited over international stats, because they typically say very little about how a player is going to manage in the NBA. So if people want to feel positive about some of the individual skills he brings that they fell might translate, then ok. Bu Getting hyped because he put up a good scoring game against another Euro team really is probably a great way to set yourself up for disappointment. Didn't Kelly Olynyk score 30 in one game for Canada or something? I know Shavlik Randolph averaged like 30 / 15 in China before coming here and riding Boston's pine.
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And Patty mills is like a 30 PPG scorer in the international game, yet here he's not even good enough to start.
I continue to expect pretty much nothing from him
Are you the kid in elementary school who killed Santa Claus for everyone too?
No, I'm the man in real life who has to keep reminding people to temper their expectations.
Theis is an undersized big who plays center in Europe, but (at 6'9" / 220) to play that position here. At 25 years old he has already spent 5 seasons in Europe - and he's yet to average more than 22 minutes, 10 points or 5 rebounds in that entire 5 year stretch. His shooting numbers are promising (hopefully he can add some value as a stretch big) but I just don't see how a guy who struggles to stay on the court in Eurobaset is going to hold down a consistent rotation spot on an NBA team with championship aspirations.
Zizic has a prototypical NBA body for a center (at 6'11" / 260 lbs with a 7'5" wingspan) and put up better numbers in Euroleague as a 19 year old , yet he struggled against the same Summer League scrubs that Jaylen Brown scored 30+ against and Jayson Tatum averaged 18/10 against...
I just don't there there is any point at all in getting excited over international stats, because they typically say very little about how a player is going to manage in the NBA. So if people want to feel positive about some of the individual skills he brings that they fell might translate, then ok. Bu Getting hyped because he put up a good scoring game against another Euro team really is probably a great way to set yourself up for disappointment. Didn't Kelly Olynyk score 30 in one game for Canada or something? I know Shavlik Randolph averaged like 30 / 15 in China before coming here and riding Boston's pine.
While I think it is correct to keep expectations low -- I think that is true for any new player, whether they come from international ball or the NCAA.
And while it's dangerous for people to make overly ambitious projections based on how successful players might have been in international leagues and the NCAA, it is far far more foolish to place any weight at all on how a player performed (good or bad) in a couple of Summer League games.
I also wouldn't put a lot of stock in the 215 lb listed weight for Theis on DraftExpress which seems to be based on a measurement taken years ago when he was 19-20. He's 25 years old now and almost certainly a fair bit heavier than that now. Wikipedia lists him at 243 lb, which looks far more accurate when you look at him. His latest Eurobasket profile has him at 242 lb.
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Yeah, I can certainly see a couple of aspects of his game here and there that I could see as potential perks for Boston.
The outside shot is nice, and he looks to be a solid rebounder and rim protector which we certainly could use. I'm just weary of expecting him to give us much more than 10-15 MPG as a backup PF.
I do think that he's a nice compliment to Baynes off the bench though - with Baynes being bigger, slower and more interior focussed, Theis is a bit smaller, more agile, and has a more effective perimeter game and more likely to be able to switch on to wings and defend the P&R.
I'm also pleasantly surprised by Shanke Larkin. I never really checked out his stats, just assumed he was a D-League scrub. But he actually put up some pretty decent numbers in his last year at Brooklyn (7.3 PTS, 4.2 AST, 1.2 STL in 20 MPG) and shot decent too (44%, 36% 3PT, 78% FT) - that's pretty solid production for a backup PG, which is nice considering he will likely be a third string backup for us behind Kyrie and Rozier (I assume Smart will start at SG).
I was initially very concerned about out bench depth, but the more I look at it, the more excited I'm actually starting to get. If we start Smart at SG and Morris at PF, then that gives us a second unit of Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Theis and Baynes - that's actually a pretty nice lineup that gives a nice balance between offense, defence, size and athleticism.
Then we basically have a 3d unit of Larkin, Nader, Ojeleye and Yabusele as pretty much 3rd string backups - that's actually a pretty deep bench. Not a very PROVEN bench, but deep none the less.
See, not EVERYTHING I say is negative lol
Larkin's big change that may give him a chance to 'stick' in the NBA this time -- which showed up this last season in Europe -- is improved ability to draw fouls and get to the FT line. Even in college, his FTA rates were 'meh'. Just 2-3 FTA per 40 at all levels. Last year in EuroLeague and ACB play he jumped his FTA rates by essentially double, to 5.4-5.6 per 40. That transformed him into a much, much more complete offensive PG and got him a big contract offer to stay there. If he can transfer that skill to the NBA, then he might be able to stick in the NBA.
He's got a tough road though. He's actually smaller than IT4. Taller to the top of the head, but weighs far less and has a shorter wingspan. And he's not the athlete or shooter that IT is. And he's deep in our positional depth, behind Kyrie, Marcus & Terry.
He's possibly a better offensive PG than either of Marcus or Terry, though. But he (a) may not get to show it and (b) it may not be enough to overcome his defensive limitations.
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It must be a state secret his wingspan
I know, right? But it looks nice and long.
He could be like a jerebko
I don't love the comparison. It looks like Theis can guard bigs and do some rim-protection with his length. Really good body that he's put in a lot of work on - some stiffness in the shoulders but extends pretty well, and has a lot of spring; good left/right balance. Apparently he's been playing at 242 or so - so maybe he can guard bigs.
Jerebko gets into guys and plays fearless and physical but he's a classic tweener - too slow for wings and too small for bigs. Love the guy, and he stayed ready and stepped up when called upon, a true Celtic. He saved his finest moments for the playoffs.
My dark horse is semi -he went trained at hoop house with tatum -watch the video
Yes, I saw that video. That, and in fact everything I've seen about him has reinforced my opinion - he's got star power and a complete game, tailor-made for today's NBA.
These are dedicated rookies-semi,tatum,yabusele
theis has defense and can shoot but the competition is severe this year no more james youngs and rj hunters
12-man rotation?! That's probably not an option...
A couple of players who are deserving of floor time will be DNP-CD'd a lot in the early going. But it's a long season, and the opportunities will open up.
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Theis might walk onto our team more NBA ready than some of the young blood. He seems to have good toughness and concentration. Probably not going to be pulling boards off the rim ten feet out of his zone but it seems like he's got solid positioning. Could be a solid option to both stick next to Horford and back him up.
Solid signing and should be really valuable come the stretch around game 50.
you called it
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Theis might walk onto our team more NBA ready than some of the young blood. He seems to have good toughness and concentration. Probably not going to be pulling boards off the rim ten feet out of his zone but it seems like he's got solid positioning. Could be a solid option to both stick next to Horford and back him up.
Solid signing and should be really valuable come the stretch around game 50.
you called it
Lets give it 3 or 4 games and see if he can keep it up with consistency - but he sure looked nice today.
If he can produce like this (or even at 80% of this level) on a nightly basis then I will be very pleased.