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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: jpotter33 on September 07, 2017, 01:08:41 PM
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Lots of interesting stuff, but what I've found most interesting so far is that they clearly have no clue when IT will be back. They are clearly trying to avoid talking about it:
http://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/905838706485063680
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/905836761716314112
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/905835852928086016
http://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/905840093985898496
EDIT: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYv1hCNDSsW/
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Also some interesting stuff about Jae not being happy about bringing in so many wings. He was concerned about his role:
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/905838602365661184
http://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/905838657885614081
http://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/905838458752692224
It's a good thing Jae was involved in the trade. Obviously he had the potential of turning into a malcontent with a diminished role.
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No surgery expected for IT, but they're not giving any timetable for return either:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731994-isaiah-thomas-return-from-hip-injury-has-no-timetable-says-cavs-gm-koby-altman
I think this press conference should make some of the trade's skeptics feel a bit better. There is obviously pretty significant concern regarding IT's injury, and Jae looks like he could've posed a locker room problem this season after adding Hayward, Morris, and Tatum.
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No surgery expected for IT, but they're not giving any timetable for return either:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731994-isaiah-thomas-return-from-hip-injury-has-no-timetable-says-cavs-gm-koby-altman
I think this press conference should make some of the trade's skeptics feel a bit better. There is obviously pretty significant concern regarding IT's injury, and Jae looks like he could've posed a locker room problem this season after adding Hayward, Morris, and Tatum.
"The goal is to bring him back at some point and to be healthy" sounds awfully broad.
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So Cleveland is having IT go a non surgical route? Well, that makes them look even more petty now after the reports of him needing surgery etc. during the entire trade ordeal.
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Looking good in maroon and white.
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I watched the press conference - certainly a different mood than the Kyrie/Hayward one, but both had only nice things to say about Boston (even if they feel differently).
I agree that the injury issue also was a little peculiar, but I just assumed they didn't want to set any expectations and also not have the whole press conference about IT's hip.
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and Ante Žižić, please.
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and Ante Žižić, please.
indeed
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
TP for being reasonable and not going down with this ship.
You will not be the last.
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Lots of interesting stuff, but what I've found most interesting so far is that they clearly have no clue when IT will be back. They are clearly trying to avoid talking about it:
http://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/905838706485063680
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/905836761716314112
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/905835852928086016
http://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/905840093985898496
EDIT: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYv1hCNDSsW/
It was kind of awkward hearing them sidestep the hip questions. All of that going on in front of the "Cleveland Clinic" backdrop. I feel bad for IT. Making the best of a tough situation.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see both when he comes back and how he plays once he's back. I think you'll see many more people changing their mind about the trade in the coming months.
Hopefully he'll still be able to get a good-sized contract somewhere, though, preferably out West.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
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IT4 good press conference
Couldn't hear a lick of what Jae was trying to say
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I will miss IT but i woll not miss crowder...the whole whining about fans cheering for hayward, arguing with fans on Twitter and now letting it be known he would complain about hos role....sorry you just arent that good...hayward is better and brown/tatum have better potential
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
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Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Read this:
“To be fair to Isaiah, we’re not going to address any specifics of his injury. We’re not gonna put any timetable on his return. And we’re not gonna rush it.” -Cavs GM Koby Altman wouldn't offer a timetable for Isaiah Thomas (hip).
He also said this
“The goal is to bring him back at some point this year and to be healthy and compete.”
and this
“We’re very fortunate to have signed Derrick Rose. And we also have José Calderón, who has been in the gym every single day. We’re just not gonna put a timetable on Isaiah’s return.”
That guy probably has his medical records.
Coach Ty Lue said on Thursday that Isaiah Thomas (hip) "is not going to be starting the season."
These are qoutes from the Team GM and Coach
https://cavsnation.com/cavs-news-gm-koby-altman-isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-situation/
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nba/1889/isaiah-thomas
You can be in denial or you can accept that Ainge traded a injured guy who played his heart out for us.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
Back in July the report was that he was expected to be ready for training camp with no setbacks. Now the Cavs have said he will not be ready for the start of the season. How is this not a change and significant. This has changed my opinion significantly and is not speculation.
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Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Read this:
“To be fair to Isaiah, we’re not going to address any specifics of his injury. We’re not gonna put any timetable on his return. And we’re not gonna rush it.” -Cavs GM Koby Altman wouldn't offer a timetable for Isaiah Thomas (hip).
He also said this
“The goal is to bring him back at some point this year and to be healthy and compete.”
and this
“We’re very fortunate to have signed Derrick Rose. And we also have José Calderón, who has been in the gym every single day. We’re just not gonna put a timetable on Isaiah’s return.”
That guy probably has his medical records.
Coach Ty Lue said on Thursday that Isaiah Thomas (hip) "is not going to be starting the season."
These are qoutes from the Team GM and Coach
https://cavsnation.com/cavs-news-gm-koby-altman-isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-situation/
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nba/1889/isaiah-thomas
You can be in denial or you can accept that Ainge traded a injured guy who played his heart out for us.
Thanks for this. This is some of what I was referencing without the quotes.
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I will miss IT but i woll not miss crowder...the whole whining about fans cheering for hayward, arguing with fans on Twitter and now letting it be known he would complain about hos role....sorry you just arent that good...hayward is better and brown/tatum have better potential
I actually respect that about Crowder...he wanted to know where he stood and so he asked. That's what adults do, rather than leak to the media.
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No surgery expected for IT, but they're not giving any timetable for return either:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731994-isaiah-thomas-return-from-hip-injury-has-no-timetable-says-cavs-gm-koby-altman
I think this press conference should make some of the trade's skeptics feel a bit better. There is obviously pretty significant concern regarding IT's injury, and Jae looks like he could've posed a locker room problem this season after adding Hayward, Morris, and Tatum.
Cavs may try keep IT s injury quiet .....because they might want to flip him at some point and let another team take a gamble . If IT plays and rehurts that hip .....well....the gig is up for IT and Cavs .
I more glade by the day Danyy let IT go.
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Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Read this:
“To be fair to Isaiah, we’re not going to address any specifics of his injury. We’re not gonna put any timetable on his return. And we’re not gonna rush it.” -Cavs GM Koby Altman wouldn't offer a timetable for Isaiah Thomas (hip).
He also said this
“The goal is to bring him back at some point this year and to be healthy and compete.”
and this
“We’re very fortunate to have signed Derrick Rose. And we also have José Calderón, who has been in the gym every single day. We’re just not gonna put a timetable on Isaiah’s return.”
That guy probably has his medical records.
Coach Ty Lue said on Thursday that Isaiah Thomas (hip) "is not going to be starting the season."
These are qoutes from the Team GM and Coach
https://cavsnation.com/cavs-news-gm-koby-altman-isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-situation/
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nba/1889/isaiah-thomas
You can be in denial or you can accept that Ainge traded a injured guy who played his heart out for us.
Not in denial, and I realize he is injured. I don’t know if you didn’t see my earlier posts or just chose to ignore them. I realize IT has been injured since the ECF, when there were reports of him might needing surgery and AB saying he couldn’t even walk. None of that has changed. How much of the beginning of the regular season really doesn’t matter anyway. Cavs are still making the playoffs and it really only matters if he’s back for the playoffs and healthy in the future, which most reports concur with.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
Back in July the report was that he was expected to be ready for training camp with no setbacks. Now the Cavs have said he will not be ready for the start of the season. How is this not a change and significant. This has changed my opinion significantly and is not speculation.
What are you talking about “THE report”? There were dozens of reports, all of them speculating when he would be ready and ranging from training camp to never. I knew he was injured, it was clear when he missed the rest of the ECF, thought about getting surgery, and his teammate AB said he couldn’t walk right. I still think he is injured, and the quotes that were just presented back that up. They also don’t say anything about even coming close to missing this years playoffs, let alone the rest of his career. So no, that’s not a big change at all from then to now. And if you really think missing the beginning of the regular season causes you to make a 180 on the trade, even though we already knew IT was injured at the time of the trade, then you are the delusional one here.
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Hilarious double standard for some people bashing Crowder for requesting a trade, Kyrie did the same thing lol
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Hilarious double standard for some people bashing Crowder for requesting a trade, Kyrie did the same thing lol
He never requested a trade, and *literally* no one suggested he did.
He simply wanted his role and the organization's plans for him clarified, which is completely fair. It's also fair and not a double standard to be happy we traded him before he caused locker room problems, which his several pout fests last year indicated he was capable of.
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Hilarious double standard for some people bashing Crowder for requesting a trade, Kyrie did the same thing lol
He never requested a trade, and *literally* no one suggested he did.
He simply wanted his role and the organization's plans for him clarified, which is completely fair. It's also fair and not a double standard to be happy we traded him before he caused locker room problems, which his several pout fests last year indicated he was capable of.
And, to be fair, he asked the organization for clarification, and the organization clarified it for him.
I'll always love him and IT for what they brought to this squad and this city, but we have improved on both of them.
Danny is an incredible GM
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
Hmmm, excuse me but he just saw IT with a chance to rebut the skeptics, and he did not. So I will venture that he did get some new information.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
Back in July the report was that he was expected to be ready for training camp with no setbacks. Now the Cavs have said he will not be ready for the start of the season. How is this not a change and significant. This has changed my opinion significantly and is not speculation.
What are you talking about “THE report”? There were dozens of reports, all of them speculating when he would be ready and ranging from training camp to never. I knew he was injured, it was clear when he missed the rest of the ECF, thought about getting surgery, and his teammate AB said he couldn’t walk right. I still think he is injured, and the quotes that were just presented back that up. They also don’t say anything about even coming close to missing this years playoffs, let alone the rest of his career. So no, that’s not a big change at all from then to now. And if you really think missing the beginning of the regular season causes you to make a 180 on the trade, even though we already knew IT was injured at the time of the trade, then you are the delusional one here.
WOW, how can you tell another poster how to weigh the evidence before him. His initial view was based on a set of information, why cant he change is view when he receives more information. The notion that he is delusional because you do not consider certain information as importantly as he does is confounding.
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Listen, I liked IT and Crowder and I get some of the reservations about Irving, but can people stop acting like we broke up the Big Three (the original or the more recent incarnation)?
Yeah, we've had a scrappy bunch of overachievers the past few years, but they got knocked out in the first round twice and probably would have been again this past year had Rondo gotten hurt (or had they been in the West).
I get some sentimentality, but you'd think we broke up a dynasty by the way some people are talking.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
Back in July the report was that he was expected to be ready for training camp with no setbacks. Now the Cavs have said he will not be ready for the start of the season. How is this not a change and significant. This has changed my opinion significantly and is not speculation.
What are you talking about “THE report”? There were dozens of reports, all of them speculating when he would be ready and ranging from training camp to never. I knew he was injured, it was clear when he missed the rest of the ECF, thought about getting surgery, and his teammate AB said he couldn’t walk right. I still think he is injured, and the quotes that were just presented back that up. They also don’t say anything about even coming close to missing this years playoffs, let alone the rest of his career. So no, that’s not a big change at all from then to now. And if you really think missing the beginning of the regular season causes you to make a 180 on the trade, even though we already knew IT was injured at the time of the trade, then you are the delusional one here.
WOW, how can you tell another poster how to weigh the evidence before him. His initial view was based on a set of information, why cant he change is view when he receives more information. The notion that he is delusional because you do not consider certain information as importantly as he does is confounding.
Lol do you know what an ARGUMENT is?? Do you happen to know how one of those starts?? They happen all the time, especially on Celticsblog. When two people have a difference in opinion and argue their side. I don’t think there should be such a drastic overreaction in the IT trade. Whether you loved it or hated it from the beginning, there hasn’t been that much of a change in the information we have gotten since the trade broke. IT has been hurt since the ECF. If you didn’t know that at the time of the trade, you just weren’t paying attention.
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I definitely felt it was an interesting press conference I wish those guys luck. I get the feeling they won't shine this year but actually next year if LeBron stays. This they will need a full season do gel due to a lot of team chemistry issues and IT getting back late.
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No surgery expected for IT, but they're not giving any timetable for return either:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731994-isaiah-thomas-return-from-hip-injury-has-no-timetable-says-cavs-gm-koby-altman
I think this press conference should make some of the trade's skeptics feel a bit better. There is obviously pretty significant concern regarding IT's injury, and Jae looks like he could've posed a locker room problem this season after adding Hayward, Morris, and Tatum.
Cavs may try keep IT s injury quiet .....because they might want to flip him at some point and let another team take a gamble . If IT plays and rehurts that hip .....well....the gig is up for IT and Cavs .
I more glade by the day Danyy let IT go.
If they were trying to do that they got off to a really poor start before Thomas was even officially a Cav...
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Listen, I liked IT and Crowder and I get some of the reservations about Irving, but can people stop acting like we broke up the Big Three (the original or the more recent incarnation)?
Yeah, we've had a scrappy bunch of overachievers the past few years, but they got knocked out in the first round twice and probably would have been again this past year had Rondo gotten hurt (or had they been in the West).
I get some sentimentality, but you'd think we broke up a dynasty by the way some people are talking.
Don't agree about the Rondo stuff, but TP for everything else.
Honestly, I didn't find last year's team nearly as "likable" as the team from the previous two years, even though we were quite a bit better.
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I have done a 180 on this trade given IT's condition. I really don't expect to be the same player at any point this season, if ever again.
Great, I assume you’re a doctor then? If not, then it really doesn’t matter what you expect does it. We have no idea how healthy IT is and what condition his hip is in. There have been hundreds of reports ranging from he will be ready from Game 1 with no long term effects, to a career ending injury. Truth is we have no idea since we are not doctors and don’t have access to his medical records.
Your reply is inaccurate. IT was recently ruled out for the beginning of the season (which was repeated again today). There has also been a lot of additional information provided on on the kind of injury with quotes from actual doctors. Including the lengthy article from ESPN yesterday. This information has certainly made it seem like there is a higher risk than how the Celtics were reporting things a month ago. Compare the takeaway from July from the Celtics that he would be ready for training camp https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-danny-ainge-says-isaiah-thomas-will-not-require-hip-surgery/
While it is true that we don't have concrete info on when he will be ready, it certainly is less optimistic than it was made to be at the end of July. Also I am not sure why you are taking such an adversarial tone because i changed my opinion on the trade...
No, my reply is not inaccurate. You are not a doctor and have no access to his medical records, so how would you know what condition his hip is in? There have been a wide ranging number of opinions on when he’ll be ready, all speculative. There’s no 1 concrete answer on when he’ll be ready, and no one can tell the future and know if he will be the same player.
My opinion has not changed since July, and my view remains the same. We knew during the ECF that his hip was a problem, and we still know it is problem. To have a complete 180 in change of opinion due to reading a few of the least optimistic takes on his hip is ludicrous.
Back in July the report was that he was expected to be ready for training camp with no setbacks. Now the Cavs have said he will not be ready for the start of the season. How is this not a change and significant. This has changed my opinion significantly and is not speculation.
What are you talking about “THE report”? There were dozens of reports, all of them speculating when he would be ready and ranging from training camp to never. I knew he was injured, it was clear when he missed the rest of the ECF, thought about getting surgery, and his teammate AB said he couldn’t walk right. I still think he is injured, and the quotes that were just presented back that up. They also don’t say anything about even coming close to missing this years playoffs, let alone the rest of his career. So no, that’s not a big change at all from then to now. And if you really think missing the beginning of the regular season causes you to make a 180 on the trade, even though we already knew IT was injured at the time of the trade, then you are the delusional one here.
WOW, how can you tell another poster how to weigh the evidence before him. His initial view was based on a set of information, why cant he change is view when he receives more information. The notion that he is delusional because you do not consider certain information as importantly as he does is confounding.
Lol do you know what an ARGUMENT is?? Do you happen to know how one of those starts?? They happen all the time, especially on Celticsblog. When two people have a difference in opinion and argue their side. I don’t think there should be such a drastic overreaction in the IT trade. Whether you loved it or hated it from the beginning, there hasn’t been that much of a change in the information we have gotten since the trade broke. IT has been hurt since the ECF. If you didn’t know that at the time of the trade, you just weren’t paying attention.
I know what an argument is, I just prefer that they be civil and not abusive. No need to call anyone with an opposing view delusional.
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and Ante Žižić, please.
indeed
Tnx for the title update, whoever did it.
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Listen, I liked IT and Crowder and I get some of the reservations about Irving, but can people stop acting like we broke up the Big Three (the original or the more recent incarnation)?
Yeah, we've had a scrappy bunch of overachievers the past few years, but they got knocked out in the first round twice and probably would have been again this past year had Rondo gotten hurt (or had they been in the West).
I get some sentimentality, but you'd think we broke up a dynasty by the way some people are talking.
Don't agree about the Rondo stuff, but TP for everything else.
Honestly, I didn't find last year's team nearly as "likable" as the team from the previous two years, even though we were quite a bit better.
Yeah last year's team really seemed to lack the grind/hustle/defense mentality that defined the previous year and a half.