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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on September 05, 2017, 03:47:16 PM
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Marcellus on sportsnation (tv) right now claims this trade will occur within 2 weeks.
He also referred to the Celtics as "new England" so I'm not sure
Also:
Begley/ESPN:
The Milwaukee Bucks emerged as a potential third team in discussions centered on a trade of Carmelo Anthony from the New York Knicks to the Houston Rockets.
The name of Jabari Parker came up in those preliminary talks. It is unclear whether the Knicks or Bucks broached the idea of Parker in a package that includes a larger contract such as John Henson or Greg Monroe.
Parker is eligible for a contract extension and could become a restricted free agent in 2018. Parker is recovering from another torn ACL.
The Knicks remain committed to acquiring a combination of young player, draft pick or expiring contract in exchange for Anthony.
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"The one guy"? :o
Why hasn't it happened if the trade is there. They can't find anyone to eat the bad contract that the Knicks refuse to take on for dropping Melo, that hasn't changed. Portland is willing to eat Anderson but they need someone to eat their own bad contract so it doesn't actually help at all.
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I don't know about Houston but it seems like Carmelo really really wants to play there and pretty much isn't open to playing anywhere else. Given that, he probably starts willing to accept less and less money in a buyout as time goes on and eventually reach an agreement with Knicks if the trade can't be worked out.
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Hasn't Houston suffered enough as of late?
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That'd be yet another team with a legit shot of being worse than the Nets.
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Marcellus Wiley is breaking NBA news now, huh?
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Melo will hog the ball and kill the chemistry between the other 2 ball hogs.
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NYK begins their tank.
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Marcellus Wiley is breaking NBA news now, huh?
I know. The former defensive lineman in football now has in depth NBA connections? I think not.
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Marcellus Wiley is breaking NBA news now, huh?
I know. The former defensive lineman in football now has in depth NBA connections? I think not.
he kept claiming he had impeccable sources when questioned. Lol
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Melo will hog the ball and kill the chemistry between the other 2 ball hogs.
If he plays the way he does in the Olympics he won't. Plus at his age it's the right time to be a 2nd or 3rd option pushing his mid 30s.
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Hasn't Houston suffered enough as of late?
Pretty dark man...
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Video for those who want to see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk1Um3rI5TU&feature=youtu.be&t=11m
Starts at about 11m in if it automatically doesn't load there for you.
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Marcellus is a joke. There are times during my "55 minutes to go 8 miles" drive home that I have to turn the channel on his show and listen to Glenn Beck.
Yes.
Glenn Beck
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Marcellus is a joke. There are times during my "55 minutes to go 8 miles" drive home that I have to turn the channel on his show and listen to Glenn Beck.
Yes.
Glenn Beck
haha true
But Begley from espn has report about jabari parker included in discussions
The Milwaukee Bucks emerged as a potential third team in discussions centered on a trade of Carmelo Anthony from the New York Knicks to the Houston Rockets.
The name of Jabari Parker came up in those preliminary talks. It is unclear whether the Knicks or Bucks broached the idea of Parker in a package that includes a larger contract such as John Henson or Greg Monroe.
Parker is eligible for a contract extension and could become a restricted free agent in 2018. Parker is recovering from another torn ACL.
The Knicks remain committed to acquiring a combination of young player, draft pick or expiring contract in exchange for Anthony.
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Can we all just take a minute to acknowledge and then laugh at the fact that Kyrie got traded before Carmelo...
I mean seriously, we've heard Melo trade rumors for like 2 years now, and then Kyrie says, "I want out" and in less than 2 months gets traded LOL. :laugh:
We even heard a "Kyrie-for-Carmelo" rumor this past season and lots of people denied it saying that Carmelo is not worth Kyrie (TRUE), but also that Kyrie would stay in Cleveland long term and is not getting traded. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
How time flies and how things change daily...
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Can we all just take a minute to acknowledge and then laugh at the fact that Kyrie got traded before Carmelo...
I mean seriously, we've heard Melo trade rumors for like 2 years now, and then Kyrie says, "I want out" and in less than 2 months gets traded LOL. :laugh:
We even heard a "Kyrie-for-Carmelo" rumor this past season and lots of people denied it saying that Carmelo is not worth Kyrie (TRUE), but also that Kyrie would stay in Cleveland long term and is not getting traded. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
How time flies and how things change daily...
It's hard to trade a guy with a NTC.
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That'd be yet another team with a legit shot of being worse than the Nets.
That's a sunk cost. Another team being worse than the Lakers would actually matter.
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That'd be yet another team with a legit shot of being worse than the Nets.
That's a sunk cost. Another team being worse than the Lakers would actually matter.
I know. It's just reassuring that the Nets are not the outright favorites for the title of "worst in the league" this season, given that we traded the pick for Kyrie.
They're still likely bottom-3 when it's all said and done, but Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LA, Phoenix, and Sacramento will all likely be right there at the bottom.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
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That'd be yet another team with a legit shot of being worse than the Nets.
That's a sunk cost. Another team being worse than the Lakers would actually matter.
I know. It's just reassuring that the Nets are not the outright favorites for the title of "worst in the league" this season, given that we traded the pick for Kyrie.
They're still likely bottom-3 when it's all said and done, but Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LA, Phoenix, and Sacramento will all likely be right there at the bottom.
They're in a scrum with the other bottom 5 or 6 teams from what i can see, and the scrum is close enough that variance and random hot shooting nights (or bad ones) could put them out of the top 3 lottery slots. Last year injuries ensured they stayed number one, here is to BKN's health!
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"The one guy"? :o
Why hasn't it happened if the trade is there. They can't find anyone to eat the bad contract that the Knicks refuse to take on for dropping Melo, that hasn't changed. Portland is willing to eat Anderson but they need someone to eat their own bad contract so it doesn't actually help at all.
You rang? ;D
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Koby: "so uh is brown or Tatum available? We really like th...
Danny: *click*
Koby calls woj: yeah we called about Tatum and he hung up on me
Woj: WOJ BOMB: TATUM IN TRADE TALKS
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Jabari Parker is out probably until Feb. and coming off of his 2nd ACL tear. He will be an RFA next summer and I would be scared to death to match or sign him to a 4 year contract. Milwaukee has been saddled with bad contract after bad contract the last few years and I wouldn't doubt at all that they want to dump him.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Jabari Parker is out probably until Feb. and coming off of his 2nd ACL tear. He will be an RFA next summer and I would be scared to death to match or sign him to a 4 year contract. Milwaukee has been saddled with bad contract after bad contract the last few years and I wouldn't doubt at all that they want to dump him.
I agree that parker has become a huge risk. His career is unfortunately a bunch of bad injuries. Might as well move on
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What's funny Is cp3, harden, and Carmelo all need the ball in their hands to be their best. I can't think of many other players that need the ball as much as these 3... All ball pounders. It honestly make no sense and feels like a cheap way to sell tickets with big names and not actually contend.
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I definitely think Melo will end up in Houston.
But Parker is not going anywhere in a Melo deal.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Jabari Parker is out probably until Feb. and coming off of his 2nd ACL tear. He will be an RFA next summer and I would be scared to death to match or sign him to a 4 year contract. Milwaukee has been saddled with bad contract after bad contract the last few years and I wouldn't doubt at all that they want to dump him.
Milwaukee is listed as the third team in the alleged discussions. Are they going to trade Jabari *and* take back the bad salary required to make a deal work? For what incentive?
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Jabari Parker is out probably until Feb. and coming off of his 2nd ACL tear. He will be an RFA next summer and I would be scared to death to match or sign him to a 4 year contract. Milwaukee has been saddled with bad contract after bad contract the last few years and I wouldn't doubt at all that they want to dump him.
Milwaukee is listed as the third team in the alleged discussions. Are they going to trade Jabari *and* take back the bad salary required to make a deal work? For what incentive?
Maybe they are just really nice guys. ;D
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Melo will hog the ball and kill the chemistry between the other 2 ball hogs.
This!
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Can't wait for real basketball to start.
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Can we all just take a minute to acknowledge and then laugh at the fact that Kyrie got traded before Carmelo...
I mean seriously, we've heard Melo trade rumors for like 2 years now, and then Kyrie says, "I want out" and in less than 2 months gets traded LOL. :laugh:
We even heard a "Kyrie-for-Carmelo" rumor this past season and lots of people denied it saying that Carmelo is not worth Kyrie (TRUE), but also that Kyrie would stay in Cleveland long term and is not getting traded. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
How time flies and how things change daily...
It's hard to trade a guy with a NTC.
Well Kyrie's trade kicker was also a factor and he supposedly waived it for Boston.
Either way yeah I forgot about the NTC aspect of it all, so TP to you for reminding me. That said, if Melo at this point is only considering HOU and they still can't work it out, there's nothing to see here. Melo staying put again. ::)
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Can we all just take a minute to acknowledge and then laugh at the fact that Kyrie got traded before Carmelo...
I mean seriously, we've heard Melo trade rumors for like 2 years now, and then Kyrie says, "I want out" and in less than 2 months gets traded LOL. :laugh:
We even heard a "Kyrie-for-Carmelo" rumor this past season and lots of people denied it saying that Carmelo is not worth Kyrie (TRUE), but also that Kyrie would stay in Cleveland long term and is not getting traded. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
How time flies and how things change daily...
It's hard to trade a guy with a NTC.
Well Kyrie's trade kicker was also a factor and he supposedly waived it for Boston.
Either way yeah I forgot about the NTC aspect of it all, so TP to you for reminding me. That said, if Melo at this point is only considering HOU and they still can't work it out, there's nothing to see here. Melo staying put again. ::)
A trade kicker can be a slight impediment. Kyrie was able to help facilitate the move to the place he wanted to go. A NTC is an entirely different beast. Carmelo Anthony alone will decide which is the next team he plays for.
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Melo will hog the ball and kill the chemistry between the other 2 ball hogs.
Please tell me you aren't labelling Chris Paul (arguably the greatest pass-first PG since John Stockton) as a ball hog?
Harden is fair game though. Man Harden and Melo on the same team would be frightening, and not in a good way.
Chris Paul would basically touch the ball 3 times a night as a random spot up shooter (e.g. Steve Nash in LA).
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Jabari Parker is out probably until Feb. and coming off of his 2nd ACL tear. He will be an RFA next summer and I would be scared to death to match or sign him to a 4 year contract. Milwaukee has been saddled with bad contract after bad contract the last few years and I wouldn't doubt at all that they want to dump him.
Milwaukee is listed as the third team in the alleged discussions. Are they going to trade Jabari *and* take back the bad salary required to make a deal work? For what incentive?
Milwaukee has Henson who is useless to them and also on a 3 year contract making 11.4 mill. this year, Parker is very likely to give them nothing this year and will be very risky going forward. Anderson while overpaid is at least useful and would help them this year. A lineup of Monroe/Anderson/Giannis/Middleton/Brogdon looks better than what they have right now. Maybe they get a young player from either N.Y. or Houston in the deal also.
N.Y. gets: Henson/Ariza/Parker
Houston: Melo
Milwaukee: Anderson + a young player from either N.Y. or Houston maybe.
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"The one guy"? :o
Why hasn't it happened if the trade is there. They can't find anyone to eat the bad contract that the Knicks refuse to take on for dropping Melo, that hasn't changed. Portland is willing to eat Anderson but they need someone to eat their own bad contract so it doesn't actually help at all.
You rang? ;D
Haha!!
That deserves a TP!!!
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Well, it's not entirely out of the question if the Knicks are legitimately listening to offers for Porzingis (who clearly doesn't seem to want to be there right now).
The following works in trade machine...
Knicks get:
Ryan Anderson (19.6M) from Houston
Trevor Ariza (7.4M) from Houston
Jabari Parker (6.8M) from Milwaukee
Houston gets:
Carmelo Anthony (26.2M) from New York
Milwaukee gets:
Kristaps Porzingis (4.5M) from New York
Probably makes some sense for all three teams. Knick add a 21 year old 20/6 guy in Parker, who compensates for losing Porzingis. Ariza is a nice player on a great contract, and as bad as Ryan Anderson's contract is, at least he is a prototypical stretch big for today's NBA. That's actually a solid return for the Knicks.
Milwaukee would instantly go into beast mode, building around Porzingis and Giannis - scary team for the future right there.
Houston gets Carmelo so they can form their own big 3 (with CP3, Harden, Carmelo).
I think everybody comes out pretty happy tbh.
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Melo will hog the ball and kill the chemistry between the other 2 ball hogs.
Please tell me you aren't labelling Chris Paul (arguably the greatest pass-first PG since John Stockton) as a ball hog?
Harden is fair game though. Man Harden and Melo on the same team would be frightening, and not in a good way.
Chris Paul would basically touch the ball 3 times a night as a random spot up shooter (e.g. Steve Nash in LA).
Harden finished 2nd in AST%, ahead of CP3 last year. He also finished ahead of John Wall, LeBron James, and Ricky Rubio. It's not entirely fair to characterize him as a ball hog either, and if you are going to do so, it'd probably be wise to acknowledge the different degrees of ball hoggery, seeing as Anthony ranked 123rd in AST%, behind noted facilitators Sean Kilpatrick and Jamal Crawford.
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Melo will hog the ball and kill the chemistry between the other 2 ball hogs.
Please tell me you aren't labelling Chris Paul (arguably the greatest pass-first PG since John Stockton) as a ball hog?
Harden is fair game though. Man Harden and Melo on the same team would be frightening, and not in a good way.
Chris Paul would basically touch the ball 3 times a night as a random spot up shooter (e.g. Steve Nash in LA).
Harden finished 2nd in AST%, ahead of CP3 last year. He also finished ahead of John Wall, LeBron James, and Ricky Rubio. It's not entirely fair to characterize him as a ball hog either, and if you are going to do so, it'd probably be wise to acknowledge the different degrees of ball hoggery, seeing as Anthony ranked 123rd in AST%, behind noted facilitators Sean Kilpatrick and Jamal Crawford.
Harden finished 2nd in AST% last year after he (and this is something he openly admitted to) took on a personal mission to prove wrong all the people out there who criticised him for being a ball hog.
Everybody knows Harden is a skilled passer and playmaker when he wants to be, last year is proof of what he can excel a playmaker when he's motivated to NOT be a selfish ball hog. Every other season of his career prior to that is proof that his natural instinctive preference (when he doesn't have something personal to prove) is to hog the ball on every possession and take 5,000 shots.
Chris Paul on the other hand is the complete opposite. He's very much proven that he can be a dominant offensive player when he wants to (he's averaged between 21 - 25 PPG in his last 3 playoff runs) but his natural preference is to make plays for others as a first priority, and only really score when he has to. That is the very opposite of a ball hog.
Melo falls in the Harden category. He is actually a very skilled passer and a very intelligent playmaker at his size/position, and his consistent excellence when playing for USA Basketball proves that he can be an outstanding team player when he is motivated to be. But most of his career he's been surrounded by garbage players, so I can imagine he's probably felt like a lone man on an island - he hasn't had many teammates he can trust or depend on, so he hogs the ball because he feels like he has to do everything himself, or else it wont get done.
I think that these three guys are very CAPABLE of making this thing work if they go in with the same type of mindframe that KG/Pierce/Ray took into Boston - have trust in each other, and each man sacrifices for the greater good of the team. Whether that would actually happen...that's yet to be seen.
Also, it's not entirely fair to judge Carmelo's "ball hoggery" based on his assist numbers compared to that of Chris Paul and James Harden. Chris Paul is a pure PG. James Harden came in to the league as a PG, but due to his scoring ability has spent most of his career at the SG spot - be he has legit PG skills. Carmelo Anthony is a scoring wing who just happens to be a fairly skilled passer.
His Assist average (2.9 APG) and assist rate (14.5%) last season were among the lowest of his career, and yet they do not rate that far behind our own Gordon Hayward (3.5 APG, 18.2% AR) - a guy who I've never heard anybody refer to as a ball hog, and who is often praised for being a skilled playmaker for a wing.
In fact if you look at the career numbers for both guys, they are darn near identical...
Melo:
3.1 APG
16.2% AR
Hayward:
3.5 APG
18.7% AR
So if you want to brand Melo a ball hog based on those assist numbers, I guess Danny Ainge just signed us a ball hog of our very own too.
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Chris Paul is extremely unselfish but I can see someone classifying him as a ball hog because he dominates the ball so much.
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Chris Paul is extremely unselfish but I can see someone classifying him as a ball hog because he dominates the ball so much.
Passing does not equal to unselfishness if you hug the ball all the time
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Well, it's not entirely out of the question if the Knicks are legitimately listening to offers for Porzingis (who clearly doesn't seem to want to be there right now).
The following works in trade machine...
Knicks get:
Ryan Anderson (19.6M) from Houston
Trevor Ariza (7.4M) from Houston
Jabari Parker (6.8M) from Milwaukee
Houston gets:
Carmelo Anthony (26.2M) from New York
Milwaukee gets:
Kristaps Porzingis (4.5M) from New York
Probably makes some sense for all three teams. Knick add a 21 year old 20/6 guy in Parker, who compensates for losing Porzingis. Ariza is a nice player on a great contract, and as bad as Ryan Anderson's contract is, at least he is a prototypical stretch big for today's NBA. That's actually a solid return for the Knicks.
Milwaukee would instantly go into beast mode, building around Porzingis and Giannis - scary team for the future right there.
Houston gets Carmelo so they can form their own big 3 (with CP3, Harden, Carmelo).
I think everybody comes out pretty happy tbh.
If all the Knicks can get for Porzingas and Melo is a seriously injured player, an albatross contract and a mediocre 32 year old SF then they need to bring Phil Jackson back because that's horrid value. Even the horrible Phil Jackson could get better value back than that.
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Why would Porzingis leave NY, esp if Carmelo is leaving? Zinger can be the official face of the franchise.
Not sure about the French kid, but I think NYK messed up by passing on Dennis Smith. I think he can be a special PG.
I'm ready to not think about where Carmelo is going anymore. It seems like he's been on the move for many years now.
Daryl Morey can't be psyched with a Paul, Harden, Carmelo core, can he? I don't see the chemistry and I don't see the elite talent that beats GS. If Houston picks Carmelo up, it can't cost that much, right?!?!?
Jabari- that poor SOB. I liked his game at Duke and have heard that he's been getting to be a decent NBA player. I hope he can stay healthy going forward.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Jabari Parker is out probably until Feb. and coming off of his 2nd ACL tear. He will be an RFA next summer and I would be scared to death to match or sign him to a 4 year contract. Milwaukee has been saddled with bad contract after bad contract the last few years and I wouldn't doubt at all that they want to dump him.
Milwaukee is listed as the third team in the alleged discussions. Are they going to trade Jabari *and* take back the bad salary required to make a deal work? For what incentive?
Milwaukee has Henson who is useless to them and also on a 3 year contract making 11.4 mill. this year, Parker is very likely to give them nothing this year and will be very risky going forward. Anderson while overpaid is at least useful and would help them this year. A lineup of Monroe/Anderson/Giannis/Middleton/Brogdon looks better than what they have right now. Maybe they get a young player from either N.Y. or Houston in the deal also.
N.Y. gets: Henson/Ariza/Parker
Houston: Melo
Milwaukee: Anderson + a young player from either N.Y. or Houston maybe.
Man that's really interesting Giannis provides such an unprecedented skill set I actually could see Anderson returning to form there. Can't really think of many other situations where his defensive deficiencies would be masked better that sticking him next to Giannis and Middleton. Monroe apparently graded out fairly well in rim protection this past year too IIRC.
Really like it for the Knicks. Ariza is an excellent steady hand to put next to Porzingis and Henson would allow the Knicks to rest KP without losing all of their rim protection. Even if Parker doesn't come back right away, it would give Tim Hardaway Jr and KP time to gel and hopefully for them they'd be firing on all cylinders by 2018/2019.
Rockets new owner gets additional brand recognition and Melo see's his jersey scales skyrocket from the China bump. Think this is the first Melo deal I've seen that makes sense. It's a stronger league if this deal goes through.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Well, it's not entirely out of the question if the Knicks are legitimately listening to offers for Porzingis (who clearly doesn't seem to want to be there right now).
The following works in trade machine...
Knicks get:
Ryan Anderson (19.6M) from Houston
Trevor Ariza (7.4M) from Houston
Jabari Parker (6.8M) from Milwaukee
Houston gets:
Carmelo Anthony (26.2M) from New York
Milwaukee gets:
Kristaps Porzingis (4.5M) from New York
Probably makes some sense for all three teams. Knick add a 21 year old 20/6 guy in Parker, who compensates for losing Porzingis. Ariza is a nice player on a great contract, and as bad as Ryan Anderson's contract is, at least he is a prototypical stretch big for today's NBA. That's actually a solid return for the Knicks.
Milwaukee would instantly go into beast mode, building around Porzingis and Giannis - scary team for the future right there.
Houston gets Carmelo so they can form their own big 3 (with CP3, Harden, Carmelo).
I think everybody comes out pretty happy tbh.
lol thats an awful awful move for New York.
They get back a trash contract, a prospect with double ACL tears, and Trevor Ariza...
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Why would Porzingis leave NY, esp if Carmelo is leaving? Zinger can be the official face of the franchise.
Not sure about the French kid, but I think NYK messed up by passing on Dennis Smith. I think he can be a special PG.
I'm ready to not think about where Carmelo is going anymore. It seems like he's been on the move for many years now.
Daryl Morey can't be psyched with a Paul, Harden, Carmelo core, can he? I don't see the chemistry and I don't see the elite talent that beats GS. If Houston picks Carmelo up, it can't cost that much, right?!?!?
It's not a Core built for the long term, and clearly it wasn't designed as well as say our old big three but at this point the Rockets have extremely limited flexibility and could do worse. I see the concerns between Chris Paul and Harden being able to operate in the same backcourt but I actually think Melo is part that makes the most sense.
Anytime the ball touches his hands Carmelo can generate his own shot. He doesn't need to prod the defense, or have a pick-and-roll run for him, he can just put his head down and find a bucket. Meanwhile Paul and Capella can become new best friends and Harden can focus on primary scoring and secondary facilitating.
Melo stats take the biggest hit and Paul enters the stage of his career where people stop thinking of him as a top-10 player but overall the team is contending and actually making the Warriors have to work their way to a finals appearance. It's an interesting team, hopefully it goes through.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Well, it's not entirely out of the question if the Knicks are legitimately listening to offers for Porzingis (who clearly doesn't seem to want to be there right now).
The following works in trade machine...
Knicks get:
Ryan Anderson (19.6M) from Houston
Trevor Ariza (7.4M) from Houston
Jabari Parker (6.8M) from Milwaukee
Houston gets:
Carmelo Anthony (26.2M) from New York
Milwaukee gets:
Kristaps Porzingis (4.5M) from New York
Probably makes some sense for all three teams. Knick add a 21 year old 20/6 guy in Parker, who compensates for losing Porzingis. Ariza is a nice player on a great contract, and as bad as Ryan Anderson's contract is, at least he is a prototypical stretch big for today's NBA. That's actually a solid return for the Knicks.
Milwaukee would instantly go into beast mode, building around Porzingis and Giannis - scary team for the future right there.
Houston gets Carmelo so they can form their own big 3 (with CP3, Harden, Carmelo).
I think everybody comes out pretty happy tbh.
lol thats an awful awful move for New York.
They get back a trash contract, a prospect with double ACL tears, and Trevor Ariza...
Yeah, it's basically two trades:
Anderson + Ariza for Carmelo
Jabari for KP
New York probably turns both down.
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Well, it's not entirely out of the question if the Knicks are legitimately listening to offers for Porzingis (who clearly doesn't seem to want to be there right now).
The following works in trade machine...
Knicks get:
Ryan Anderson (19.6M) from Houston
Trevor Ariza (7.4M) from Houston
Jabari Parker (6.8M) from Milwaukee
Houston gets:
Carmelo Anthony (26.2M) from New York
Milwaukee gets:
Kristaps Porzingis (4.5M) from New York
Probably makes some sense for all three teams. Knick add a 21 year old 20/6 guy in Parker, who compensates for losing Porzingis. Ariza is a nice player on a great contract, and as bad as Ryan Anderson's contract is, at least he is a prototypical stretch big for today's NBA. That's actually a solid return for the Knicks.
Milwaukee would instantly go into beast mode, building around Porzingis and Giannis - scary team for the future right there.
Houston gets Carmelo so they can form their own big 3 (with CP3, Harden, Carmelo).
I think everybody comes out pretty happy tbh.
lol thats an awful awful move for New York.
They get back a trash contract, a prospect with double ACL tears, and Trevor Ariza...
It really depends on:
1. How desperate they are to move Carmelo and get started with rebuilding (if he wants to go to Houston, and won't waive his NTC for anybody else, then have to take the deal or be stuck with him)
2. How wiling they really are to move Porzingis
3. How many other sweeteners (picks, etc) might be offered to them in addition
Plus lets not forget, this is the Knicks we're talking about - when have you known them to ever make a GOOD personnel decision?
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Mentioned in the talks means that the Knicks asked for him, odds of them getting him unless they are sending out more than Melo is basically zero.
That's sports reporting, sadly.
NYK: "How about Jabari"?"
MIL: "Nope".
Reporter: "The Knicks and Bucks discussed Jabari Parker".
Well, it's not entirely out of the question if the Knicks are legitimately listening to offers for Porzingis (who clearly doesn't seem to want to be there right now).
The following works in trade machine...
Knicks get:
Ryan Anderson (19.6M) from Houston
Trevor Ariza (7.4M) from Houston
Jabari Parker (6.8M) from Milwaukee
Houston gets:
Carmelo Anthony (26.2M) from New York
Milwaukee gets:
Kristaps Porzingis (4.5M) from New York
Probably makes some sense for all three teams. Knick add a 21 year old 20/6 guy in Parker, who compensates for losing Porzingis. Ariza is a nice player on a great contract, and as bad as Ryan Anderson's contract is, at least he is a prototypical stretch big for today's NBA. That's actually a solid return for the Knicks.
Milwaukee would instantly go into beast mode, building around Porzingis and Giannis - scary team for the future right there.
Houston gets Carmelo so they can form their own big 3 (with CP3, Harden, Carmelo).
I think everybody comes out pretty happy tbh.
lol thats an awful awful move for New York.
They get back a trash contract, a prospect with double ACL tears, and Trevor Ariza...
It really depends on:
1. How desperate they are to move Carmelo and get started with rebuilding (if he wants to go to Houston, and won't waive his NTC for anybody else, then have to take the deal or be stuck with him)
2. How wiling they really are to move Porzingis
3. How many other sweeteners (picks, etc) might be offered to them in addition
Plus lets not forget, this is the Knicks we're talking about - when have you known them to ever make a GOOD personnel decision?
If they were willing to move Porzingis with Melo then teams would already have snapped that up. We'd would likely have moved the Brooklyn pick for it. Melo could well opt out of his player option which means he's basically an expiring which brings a lot more teams into the mix.
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I'm sure there are 3 team trades with the Bucks, Rockets, and Knicks, even those with Porzingis, that make sense, but in those trades there is no way the Knicks are taking on Ryan Anderson and I'm pretty confident Noah would be going out as well. For example, I think this trade would make at least some sense (though still don't think NY moves on from the Zinger)
Houston - Anthony
Milwaukee - Anderson, Noah, Porzingis
NY - Monroe, Ariza, Parker, Henson, MIL 1st
Other players can be added, so like Lance Thomas or Courtney Lee could be moved from NY to one of the teams. Dellavedova could be added salary. Houston has a bunch of small contracts on young players that could be moved. the Bucks have Maker who could maybe be included. Lots of pieces to play with, but at the end of the day unless the Zinger has asked to be traded, I don't see why NY would trade him and if they did, I suspect they could get a better package than that, but at least the trade above they don't take on Anderson and they move Noah.
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I'm sure there are 3 team trades with the Bucks, Rockets, and Knicks, even those with Porzingis, that make sense, but in those trades there is no way the Knicks are taking on Ryan Anderson and I'm pretty confident Noah would be going out as well. For example, I think this trade would make at least some sense (though still don't think NY moves on from the Zinger)
Houston - Anthony
Milwaukee - Anderson, Noah, Porzingis
NY - Monroe, Ariza, Parker, Henson, MIL 1st
Other players can be added, so like Lance Thomas or Courtney Lee could be moved from NY to one of the teams. Dellavedova could be added salary. Houston has a bunch of small contracts on young players that could be moved. the Bucks have Maker who could maybe be included. Lots of pieces to play with, but at the end of the day unless the Zinger has asked to be traded, I don't see why NY would trade him and if they did, I suspect they could get a better package than that, but at least the trade above they don't take on Anderson and they move Noah.
If N.Y. was ever to trade Porzingis it would be for a bunch of young players/picks so that they can conduct a proper rebuild and tank for a couple seasons. In your trade you are basically using Porzingis do dump Noah in exchange for cap space and middling talent at best. Why would they ever do that? If they trade Melo and Porzingis there will be no need to dump Noah, they can just ride out his contract while they tank.
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The Knicks aren't moving Porzingis, that's message board fantasy-land stuff from fan bases (like Milwaukee's) that want to add a foundational piece without giving up equivalent value in return. Houston doesn't have the pieces to get a Carmelo deal done, so if he really wants to head elsewhere he's going to have to either open up his to a few more teams or resign himself to playing out the year in New York. As it is the Knicks have a reasonable shot at one of the last playoff spots in the East, and it was the previous regime that was desperately trying to move him, so I don't think the NY front office is really sweating out having to bring back Carmelo instead of taking on the rest of Ryan Anderson's deal.
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Almost approaching 2 weeks and nothing on the Melo-to-Houston front :laugh: