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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Phantom255x on September 05, 2017, 12:49:05 PM
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My Guess? Thomas Robinson.
Obviously has some red flags but lets be honest, most of these guys do. He's averaged around 5-6 rebounds for every 15 minutes he plays and is certainly capable of grabbing more boards with more minutes. Hasn't played with a great coach besides Terry Stotts of Portland, and his last two teams were tanking teams with bad-to-mediocre coaches as well (Lakers, Nets).
Could be a bruiser along with Baynes off the bench, and another one of Stevens' reclamation projects. The best part is that he's young (26 y/o) and electric inside the paint. Could be another "chip on his shoulder" kind of guy who can overachieve and help us out in dealing with the likes of Mr. Kardashian and Marcin Gortat among others, especially in playoffs. Also, Robinson had a 28.1% defensive rebounding rate, and the top guy for the C's last season was Kelly Olynyk at 20.1% LOL.
With Zizic now gone to Cleveland, C's need another depth big and Robinson would be a great fit. Normally I'd say Bogut but at this point, he's just very injury prone with glass for legs. A lot more riskier than Robinson now IMHO.
What do you guys think?
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there have been a number of these threads. not sure we really need another. I voted other, but it was more because I'd personally take a flyer on Chris Bosh, though I don't really think Ainge will.
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there have been a number of these threads. not sure we really need another. I voted other, but it was more because I'd personally take a flyer on Chris Bosh, though I don't really think Ainge will.
Oh there has? My bad. I actually haven't been on much the last 3-4 days as I was away on vacation so probably missed a bunch of these :P
And I just don't think Bosh is an option anymore.
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I think our goals better align with Bogut, who after injuries could be looking to ride out his career with multiple short-term contracts, one or two years. If we sign him to a one-year contract and draft a big next season where the prospects are much better and more in line with the timeline of this team.
If healthy, he's a starter quality big that defends the paint and passes well. That flexibility to push Horford to the 4 in spells is invaluable based on potential frontcourt size issues when we match up with bigger teams.
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I think our goals better align with Bogut, who after injuries could be looking to ride out his career with multiple short-term contracts, one or two years. If we sign him to a one-year contract and draft a big next season where the prospects are much better and more in line with the timeline of this team.
If healthy, he's a starter quality big that defends the paint and passes well. That flexibility to push Horford to the 4 in spells is invaluable based on potential frontcourt size issues when we match up with bigger teams.
To me it's the injury risk that concerns me the most, but I agree with everything here. Plus, Bogut has the veteran experience and championship experience (like Irving), and that could really help this team too.
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I think our goals better align with Bogut, who after injuries could be looking to ride out his career with multiple short-term contracts, one or two years. If we sign him to a one-year contract and draft a big next season where the prospects are much better and more in line with the timeline of this team.
If healthy, he's a starter quality big that defends the paint and passes well. That flexibility to push Horford to the 4 in spells is invaluable based on potential frontcourt size issues when we match up with bigger teams.
Well said, I'm for rolling the dice with Bogut too, just keep fingers crossed. If he can stay healthy, he actually moves the needle a bit.
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I'd sign Bogut... to a 10 day contract. I used to really like him but at this point I think it would be a waste.
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Bogut
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Bogut would be good but he's made of glass. I think on this list I'd go with Lavoy Allen. He's a good role player that knows what he's supposed to be doing. His game is like Morris' game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r46jOBgaoq4
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Hopefully Robinson. I think he'd be a great end of the bench option for us.
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Bogut is absolutely perfect. He checks every box for what the Celtics need with that final roster spot. But his injury concerns are just too much.
Thomas Robinson is the next best candidate I've seen.
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I'm glad a couple others joined in voting "no one". The flexibility could be helpful to either sign someone or make a trade during the season. You don't know which is a position-of-need if you don't know who will under-perform or get hurt.
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I voted no one because I think that's what Danny will do, but I have always thought Lavoy Allen was a very good bench player that can give you quality minutes near the end of your rotation. If Ainge signed him I would be happy. Just think he is going to leave his options open.
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I go with Bogut. Sorry for the double post.
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tiago splitter if healthly, has had good defensive numbers in the league
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I'd take Spencer Hawes. 7 footer who can spread the floor to behind the arc. I'll take that for limited minutes mainly against opposing bench players.
I wanted to say Andrew Bogut, but he's missed 10+ games in 9 of his 12 career seasons.
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Hopefully a new name from training camp. Dixon, andrew white, or someone like that. Unless those guys are already counting on our roster
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Hopefully a new name from training camp. Dixon, andrew white, or someone like that. Unless those guys are already counting on our roster
Why hopefully? You want yet another rookie on this team that will play more in Portland than he will in Boston? Isn't Stevens saddled with enough players with absolutely no NBA experience?
If a player is added it will be someone who has experience, not someone who is considered worse than Bird and Allen, the Cs two way contract players. There will be no training camp players earning a contract for that open spot.
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I voted for Tyler Zeller.
If we can still get him at this point on a minimum deal, he adds back a little of the continuity we lost.
He plays center and we could use another big.
He has played with Kyrie before back in Cleveland before LeBron returned.
He has shown a willingness to sit on the end of the bench and then come in for minutes when needed.
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I voted for Tyler Zeller.
If we can still get him at this point on a minimum deal, he adds back a little of the continuity we lost.
He plays center and we could use another big.
He has played with Kyrie before back in Cleveland before LeBron returned.
He has shown a willingness to sit on the end of the bench and then come in for minutes when needed.
Definitely an intriguing option. Never thought about the fact that Zeller did play with Kyrie before.
But he's still pretty low on the list of options for me lol.
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We are done with zeller. He had years to show something and couldn't. He got worse
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Just a quick shout out to remind Danny, historically a fan of undersized PFs, that I'm available.
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Gamble on Bogut staying injury-free.
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I voted for Tyler Zeller.
If we can still get him at this point on a minimum deal, he adds back a little of the continuity we lost.
He plays center and we could use another big.
He has played with Kyrie before back in Cleveland before LeBron returned.
He has shown a willingness to sit on the end of the bench and then come in for minutes when needed.
Definitely an intriguing option. Never thought about the fact that Zeller did play with Kyrie before.
But he's still pretty low on the list of options for me lol.
If Zeller could rebound and defend, oh wait, never mind....
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Convince Amar'e Stoudemire to play another year, he played in Israel last year....
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I'd go with Bogut. With Baynes on the bench/in the lineup there's less pressure on Bogut to play as many games and gives us good injury insurance.
1. Bogut
2. TAllen
3. TRob
4. Hawes
5. Green
My order of wants for the last spot.
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A week ago I'd have said Robinson but not now. Not sure. If healthy Bogut
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Looks like a majority want either Bogut or Robinson.
I agree. My first choice is Robinson, second Bogut. If he wasn't so injury prone, Bogut would be my dream right now, but now I hesitate a bit on him. Depends if his medicals check out and everything.
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I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Toni Kukoc.
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At this point, with so many new faces on the team, I'd like to bring back Gerald Green. While he may not fill a necessary position for us, his familiarity from last year could be helpful...and he's proven that he can still influence a game, which is quite handy from someone who is probably in one of the last roster spots on a team.
Rak
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I would have to say Thomas Robinson as the #1 choice for me right now.
At the moment our only rebounder on the entire team is Baynes - if he were to miss significant time for any reason, then we literally do not have a rebounder on the entire roster. So I feel having a little bit of insurance there would be nice - and Robinson's youth and athleticism should be a nicer fit for the team, as he can at least fit in with an up tempo style of play.
Second choice is probably Bogut. He's a better player then Robinson obviously, but his injury history at his age is beyond concerning. Bogut is one of those guys who you can sign, and if you get half a season out of him you are feeling pretty good. He's on the old side, he's not especially mobile, he's injury prone (understatement), and he's probably pretty rusty given he hasn't really played in some time. Still when he is healthy he can be a game changer defensively, and he definitely fills a need with his rebounding and rim protection.
Next on my list would actually be Gerald Green. I liked what we got from him last year (especially in the playoffs) as a versatile wing who can play and guard multiple positions, knows Brad Steven's system, and can put up points in a huge hurry when he gets hot. Plus he won't complain about his role or playing time, so he won't be a hinderance to the development of our young guys.
Our second unit is very young, especially on the perimeter (Rozier, Smart, Brown, Tatum) so I wouldn't mind a seasoned vet out there to solidify that second unit. I actually would rather have Green back then anybody else based on the player alone - but have chosen Robinson and Bogut above him because I feel that the big / rebounding need is more pressing right now.
I guess the plus side with Bogut is we wouldn't even really need him during the regular season - we could rest him, keep him on minutes restrictions if need be - even if its just 10 minutes a night. If we could preserve him long enough for him to be able to play meaningful minutes in the playoffs, then he could be a legitimate difference maker.
So on that note, here's my perfect scenario. Waive one of the scrubs (probably Nader) and then sign both Bogut and Green. I'd feel much more comfortable about this team (especially come playoff time) knowing we have two additional proven vets on the roster who can make a genuine impact - rather then a bunch of prospects that we have no clue what to expect from.
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Voted no one. Going down the list of remaining free agents, I don't see any great options. Rather keep the roster spot open for flexibility.
No interest in Bogut, too injury prone. I can understand why many people want Thomas Robinson for his rebounding ability, but the rest of his game is seriously lacking. He failed to carve out a role on a horrendous Nets team despite the fact that the Nets had no good bigs other than Lopez, and also could not establish himself anywhere else he bounced around to. I'd rather have an empty roster spot.
Festus Ezeli seems intriguing if he can recover from surgery, but that's still up in the air and past reports have indicated that he may never play again.
I guess I'd be OK with re-signing Gerald Green, but I think Danny purposely did not do this to assure playing time for Brown and Tatum. In Danny's interview following the Irving & Hayward press conference, he discussed the importance of giving the youngsters a chance to play, and how he felt that trading G. Wallace for David Lee a few years back created a logjam that wasn't positive for the team.
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I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Toni Kukoc.
His wheelchair you mean?
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Robinson or Bogut. This team is very thin in the big department. If Baynes or Horford misses any time due to injury we'd have a serious size problem.
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Voted no one. Going down the list of remaining free agents, I don't see any great options. Rather keep the roster spot open for flexibility.
No interest in Bogut, too injury prone. I can understand why many people want Thomas Robinson for his rebounding ability, but the rest of his game is seriously lacking. He failed to carve out a role on a horrendous Nets team despite the fact that the Nets had no good bigs other than Lopez, and also could not establish himself anywhere else he bounced around to. I'd rather have an empty roster spot.
Festus Ezeli seems intriguing if he can recover from surgery, but that's still up in the air and past reports have indicated that he may never play again.
I guess I'd be OK with re-signing Gerald Green, but I think Danny purposely did not do this to assure playing time for Brown and Tatum. In Danny's interview following the Irving & Hayward press conference, he discussed the importance of giving the youngsters a chance to play, and how he felt that trading G. Wallace for David Lee a few years back created a logjam that wasn't positive for the team.
I'm pretty sure the reason that he didn't do this is that he had to renounce Gerald Green in order to clear any cap holds, so he would then have the cap space to sign Hayward to the max.
I don't think Green would create a problem with Brown / Tatum. He was an end of bench guy most of last year and barely got on the court. I don't see why Danny would have any issue keeping him on the bench this year while Brown/Tatum get the majority of those spare wing minutes.
His presence would be more for added insurance/depth on the perimeter, and a veteran presence . Right now the most experienced perimeter player on our bench is 23 year old Marcus Smart, and we really don't know what we can realistically expect out of Rozier, Brown, Tatum or Nader. Green is at least a known entity, and he's there as an option if it's needed.
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I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Toni Kukoc.
His wheelchair you mean?
This is Toni at 34 y/o. Looks like he has at least 10 good years in him. Championship pedigree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4T_OgW6Oc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4T_OgW6Oc)
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I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Toni Kukoc.
His wheelchair you mean?
This is Toni at 34 y/o. Looks like he has at least 10 good years in him. Championship pedigree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4T_OgW6Oc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4T_OgW6Oc)
Toni Kukoc is 48 years old...
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Shabazz is the best player in that bunch right now. Still young, still has upside. I think he would be a great pickup!
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Andrew Bogut.
We need a big? He's a big.
We need a rim protector? He is one.
Does he move the ball? Yes
I get the injury history, but for the minimum, it's a low risk-high reward signing.
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Voted no one. Going down the list of remaining free agents, I don't see any great options. Rather keep the roster spot open for flexibility.
No interest in Bogut, too injury prone. I can understand why many people want Thomas Robinson for his rebounding ability, but the rest of his game is seriously lacking. He failed to carve out a role on a horrendous Nets team despite the fact that the Nets had no good bigs other than Lopez, and also could not establish himself anywhere else he bounced around to. I'd rather have an empty roster spot.
Festus Ezeli seems intriguing if he can recover from surgery, but that's still up in the air and past reports have indicated that he may never play again.
I guess I'd be OK with re-signing Gerald Green, but I think Danny purposely did not do this to assure playing time for Brown and Tatum. In Danny's interview following the Irving & Hayward press conference, he discussed the importance of giving the youngsters a chance to play, and how he felt that trading G. Wallace for David Lee a few years back created a logjam that wasn't positive for the team.
I'm pretty sure the reason that he didn't do this is that he had to renounce Gerald Green in order to clear any cap holds, so he would then have the cap space to sign Hayward to the max.
I don't think Green would create a problem with Brown / Tatum. He was an end of bench guy most of last year and barely got on the court. I don't see why Danny would have any issue keeping him on the bench this year while Brown/Tatum get the majority of those spare wing minutes.
His presence would be more for added insurance/depth on the perimeter, and a veteran presence . Right now the most experienced perimeter player on our bench is 23 year old Marcus Smart, and we really don't know what we can realistically expect out of Rozier, Brown, Tatum or Nader. Green is at least a known entity, and he's there as an option if it's needed.
That's fair. The more I think about it I would like to have Green back, but I'd still be fine leaving the roster spot open. Meant to also say would not sign, not did.
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I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Toni Kukoc.
His wheelchair you mean?
This is Toni at 34 y/o. Looks like he has at least 10 good years in him. Championship pedigree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4T_OgW6Oc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4T_OgW6Oc)
Toni Kukoc is 48 years old young...
FTFY
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Tony Allen hands down
He gives us a veteran presence with a still effective skill set and wing defensive depth.
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My order of preference would be:
- Bogut
- Tony Allen
- Gerald Green
- Leave it open
I do not want Thomas Robinson. Watching him play on offense is ... painful to the eyes.
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It looks like Celtics are one of four teams that will likely get Bogut.
Decision should come next week. :o
And Tony Allen to Pelicans, so he's no longer an option. Neither is Zeller who is Brooklyn bound.
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Wish we got Bogut for his passing, but has anyone mentioned Nikola Mirotic? Could provide shooting, rebounding, and FTs off the bench.
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Wish we got Bogut for his passing, but has anyone mentioned Nikola Mirotic? Could provide shooting, rebounding, and FTs off the bench.
Bogut signed in LAL.
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Trade for Jahil O
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Roy Hibbert. Just so we can have a big body down low. Hopefully he can get boards
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Gerald Green signed with MIL. Though no one voted for him in this poll LOL.
Trade for Jahil O
While I'm not high on him (many aren't), if the cost is something like 2nd round pick + Larkin, I'd do it. Take a flier on him. Make him CBS's new reclamation project for vet. min value (not bad at all).
Roy Hibbert. Just so we can have a big body down low. Hopefully he can get boards
What's going on with him nowadays? Seems like he just vanished entirely LOL.
Wish we got Bogut for his passing, but has anyone mentioned Nikola Mirotic? Could provide shooting, rebounding, and FTs off the bench.
Mirotic I believe has a QO on the table from Chicago for 7.2M. He won't come here on the minimum.
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Among the list, only Lavoy Allen, Shabazz Muhamad and Thomas Robinson are left.
- Zeller signed with the Nets
- Bogut signed with the Lakers
- Gerald Green signed with the Bucks
- Diaw signed in Euroleague
I'd roll with the 14 man roster for awhile and see what this team needs.
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Among the list, only Lavoy Allen, Shabazz Muhamad and Thomas Robinson are left.
- Zeller signed with the Nets
- Bogut signed with the Lakers
- Gerald Green signed with the Bucks
- Diaw signed in Euroleague
I'd roll with the 14 man roster for awhile and see what this team needs.
Shabbazz signed with Minny.
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They'll leave it open for waiver wire
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Boris Diaw does make a ton of sense sorta
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Boris Diaw does make a ton of sense sorta
Yes, Diaw has an NBA opt-out clause but I think he may prefer to make a good portion of his Euroleage money before opting out because it's higher than NBA minimum from what I heard and then opt-out say mid NBA season and sign with a contender. Hopefully that can be us.
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Roy Hibbert. Just so we can have a big body down low. Hopefully he can get boards
"Hope" is the operative word with Hibbert - hope the ball bounces directly to him 'cause he can't go get it. A player known for zero mobility - even less than Perkins, if one can imagine that!
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Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).
So basically this poll meant nothing and seems like Ainge will keep that last roster spot open throughout the season.
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Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).
So basically this poll meant nothing and seems like Ainge will keep that last roster spot open throughout the season.
Or until camp is over and someone gets cut that we can use. I have no idea who that is but it is a viable course of action. We can wait until after the break for a mid season buy out. Maybe even a 2 for 1 trade will pop up. Having that extra spot is a handy thing.
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Can't understand why we didn't nab t Rob Tiaggo Splitter might make sense. Ugh.
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Can't understand why we didn't nab t Rob Tiaggo Splitter might make sense. Ugh.
Robinson's best trait is rebounding.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1weywq.jpg)
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Im still curious why this guy didn't even have camp invitation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pyLB4Eps1A
He's heading to Japan, sadly.
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Can't understand why we didn't nab t Rob Tiaggo Splitter might make sense. Ugh.
Splitter just met with the Warriors looking to get into coaching. His hip is shot.
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Robinson went to another country because 29 other nba teams also passed on him
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I see what Ainge is thinking.
Wade is now available :P :laugh:
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I see what Ainge is thinking.
Wade is now available :P :laugh:
he signs for the " towel boy " minimum
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How about Isaiah Austin? He will be playing for the Philippines in the FIBA Asian Cup but he'll be available afterwards the CBA season which will end around feb-march.
He would fit Steven's system like a glove. Can space the floor, pick-n-rolls and have a solid ball-handling skills for his position at 5 and he fits the timeline of this team.
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How about Isaiah Austin? He will be playing for the Philippines in the FIBA Asian Cup but he'll be available afterwards the CBA season which will end around feb-march.
He would fit Steven's system like a glove. Can space the floor, pick-n-rolls and have a solid ball-handling skills for his position at 5 and he fits the timeline of this team.
He has barely played in years after his diagnosis with Marfan's. I hope he's able to develop a career, but he's probably best seen as a two-way candidate in a year or two.
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Well if I had to guess - and that's pretty much all I do, here :laugh: - I'd say that Ainge could be leaving a roster spot available should Joe Johnson be bought out by Utah, who doesn't stand to have a good season, but who knows how things will play out? Idk if Joe would come here, and idk home much he's got left at this point, but he was awesome for the Jazz in the playoffs, is great for young players, and Boston did target him after the Nets bought him out in 2016, so there's history, well, there. It would be really cool to see him finish his career here, as well, imo.
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How about Isaiah Austin? He will be playing for the Philippines in the FIBA Asian Cup but he'll be available afterwards the CBA season which will end around feb-march.
He would fit Steven's system like a glove. Can space the floor, pick-n-rolls and have a solid ball-handling skills for his position at 5 and he fits the timeline of this team.
He has barely played in years after his diagnosis with Marfan's. I hope he's able to develop a career, but he's probably best seen as a two-way candidate in a year or two.
He's also functionally blind in one eye after getting hit in the head with a baseball when he was younger. They used to try to run plays for him at Baylor, but he wouldn't be able to see the pass coming in traffic. Cant really imagine that working out here.
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How about Isaiah Austin? He will be playing for the Philippines in the FIBA Asian Cup but he'll be available afterwards the CBA season which will end around feb-march.
He would fit Steven's system like a glove. Can space the floor, pick-n-rolls and have a solid ball-handling skills for his position at 5 and he fits the timeline of this team.
He has barely played in years after his diagnosis with Marfan's. I hope he's able to develop a career, but he's probably best seen as a two-way candidate in a year or two.
He's also functionally blind in one eye after getting hit in the head with a baseball when he was younger. They used to try to run plays for him at Baylor, but he wouldn't be able to see the pass coming in traffic. Cant really imagine that working out here.
Iirc he developed a kind of sixth sense by using his other senses to "see" stuff in the side that He's blind in, so it isn't too bad.
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How about Isaiah Austin? He will be playing for the Philippines in the FIBA Asian Cup but he'll be available afterwards the CBA season which will end around feb-march.
He would fit Steven's system like a glove. Can space the floor, pick-n-rolls and have a solid ball-handling skills for his position at 5 and he fits the timeline of this team.
He has barely played in years after his diagnosis with Marfan's. I hope he's able to develop a career, but he's probably best seen as a two-way candidate in a year or two.
He's also functionally blind in one eye after getting hit in the head with a baseball when he was younger. They used to try to run plays for him at Baylor, but he wouldn't be able to see the pass coming in traffic. Cant really imagine that working out here.
Iirc he developed a kind of sixth sense by using his other senses to "see" stuff in the side that He's blind in, so it isn't too bad.
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