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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: liam on August 31, 2017, 01:06:35 PM
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I think Josh Smith is a better fit for this team.
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Is Josh Smith still in the league?
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Is Josh Smith still in the league?
Hahaha was wondering the same thing xd
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Is Josh Smith still in the league?
He played in China last year but he's working out for the Pelicans this week. He is only 31.
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I voted Robinson but I wouldn't hate Smith and It's just now dawning on me that he has the Horford connection. I'd worry about his history of feuding with coaches though it feels like if the Rockets wanted him, he'd still be there.
I'm really high on signing Robinson though.
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Paul Pierce! Lol
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I voted Robinson but I wouldn't hate Smith and It's just now dawning on me that he has the Horford connection. I'd worry about his history of feuding with coaches though it feels like if the Rockets wanted him, he'd still be there.
I'm really high on signing Robinson though.
I'd be happy with either guy. I just thought maybe another vet for the playoffs....
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I'd rather sign Antoine Walker than Josh Smith.
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I'd rather sign Antoine Walker than Josh Smith.
I think Smith shoots a higher percentage from 3 than Walker...
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I wouldn't want Smith on this team at any age. Stat stuffer (not in a good way), horrible teammate, historically bad shot selection, inefficient, uncoachable.
Robinson has some mental issues too. There's no reason a guy with his toughness and rebounding ability should bounce around the league like he has. In Philly, he posted a 30.2% defensive rebounding rate. That's obscenely high, DeAndre Jordan-level rebounding. (Horford was 18.6 last year)
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I wouldn't want Smith on this team at any age. Stat stuffer (not in a good way), horrible teammate, historically bad shot selection, inefficient, uncoachable.
Robinson has some mental issues too. There's no reason a guy with his toughness and rebounding ability should bounce around the league like he has. In Philly, he posted a 30.2% defensive rebounding rate. That's obscenely high, DeAndre Jordan-level rebounding. (Horford was 18.6 last year)
I don't think Robinson defends...
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Is Josh Smith still in the league?
He played in China last year but he's working out for the Pelicans this week. He is only 31.
I heard reports that he looked terrible and over the hill in China. Not sure how accurate, but he seemed to fall off a cliff at an early age even in the NBA.
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I wouldn't want Smith on this team at any age. Stat stuffer (not in a good way), horrible teammate, historically bad shot selection, inefficient, uncoachable.
Robinson has some mental issues too. There's no reason a guy with his toughness and rebounding ability should bounce around the league like he has. In Philly, he posted a 30.2% defensive rebounding rate. That's obscenely high, DeAndre Jordan-level rebounding. (Horford was 18.6 last year)
I don't think Robinson defends...
That's true, he's an average defender at best. But pulling down 15 rebounds per 36 forgives quite a bit, and he's only 26. Kenneth Faried is a shaky defender and not nearly the rebounder and he inked a $50M deal before the cap spike. Seems like TRob should've stuck somewhere.
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I don't want anything to do with Josh Smith so I would pick Robinson of the two. I'd actually prefer Bogut on a vet minimum to both if we cannot get two.
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Armen Gilliam or Thomas Robinson poll?
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What happened to Bogut?
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Is Josh Smith still in the league?
He played in China last year but he's working out for the Pelicans this week. He is only 31.
This might be the biggest revelation in this entire thread. Wow.
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Our team is more in need of a rebounding specialist than a do-it-all (sometimes to the detriment of the team) over-the-hill veteran.
A few years ago, a fairly large percentage of CB was interested in Smith when he was being offloaded for nothing. He was actually a very impressive player at his peak - as it turns out, that would have been a horrible idea. The last thing we need now is a high usage, formerly athletic player who likely won't accept his role within the smooth machine that is Stevens' offense.
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I would probably sign most of the people posting to this forum before Josh Smith.
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I would rather have David Lee or Kris Humphries back at the min.
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Armen Gilliam or Thomas Robinson poll?
Wow, a dead guy!
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This isn't really related, but I feel like this is a good time to remind everyone that the Pistons have a $5.4 million dollar cap hit from stretching Josh Smith, and will continue to have it through the 2019-20 season. It's both sad and hilarious
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You've got to be kidding me with the Josh Smith stuff.
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sign the Mountain, we got better chances xd
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Is Josh Smith still in the league?
He played in China last year but he's working out for the Pelicans this week. He is only 31.
This might be the biggest revelation in this entire thread. Wow.
He was a HS draft pick wasn't he?
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Dons remember all of the trade for Josh Smith to play and run with Rondo threads.
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Dons remember all of the trade for Josh Smith to play and run with Rondo threads.
Weren't we also going to just sign him to a high dollar free agency deal?
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Dons remember all of the trade for Josh Smith to play and run with Rondo threads.
Weren't we also going to just sign him to a high dollar free agency deal?
Probably though I doubt we had cap space for him, probably a sign and trade for high dollars.
Man that Pistons contract, that was fun for them wasn't it. Then he eliminated the Clippers rofl.
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I think Smith even now is still a far superior and more versatile defender than Robinson, as such I'd rather have Smith, assuming of course he can actually still play at a NBA level. Robinson probably is the better long term bet, but if I'm making a run at the Cavs this year, I'd rather have the versatile defender coming off my bench.
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Dons remember all of the trade for Josh Smith to play and run with Rondo threads.
Those things popped up weekly for quite some time.
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Armen Gilliam or Thomas Robinson poll?
Wow, a dead guy!
No pun intended. I tried to remember a player that finished his career some 10, 20 years ago. Armen came to mind.
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We all harp on Smart's shooting. Smart shot 15.5 FGs (per 100) at an awful TS of .486. Josh Smith? 20 FGAs. .419 TS. Seriously. He makes Smart look like Steph Curry. His usage percent of 22% is still amazingly high for such a bad offensive player.
So he might offer some defensive help but he's such an incredible net negative offensively - he destroys any offensive flow you might get - that you shouldn't ever put him on the court.
Thomas Robinson, however, is worth a reclamation project. He's 26 which means he's at least in his prime (Smith is 31). TR is lousy offensively because he doesn't contribute much but that's okay. He offers one thing that Smith doesn't - and something we don't have on the team. He can rebound at a prodigious rate. He has lifetime rebound numbers of around 20%. Josh Smith is 13%. Simply put, he's bigger, younger and can crash the boards much better. He also may not help on offense but at least he won't chuck bad shots at an alarming clip.
With guys like Horford, Morris, Semi, Brown and Smart; I'm not worried about versatile defenders. I want someone who can crash the boards, play in our system and won't mind coming off the bench. A bit of potential is nice. Thomas Robinson is that guy. Josh Smith is not.
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I'll take the guy who knows he kinda sucks.
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We all harp on Smart's shooting. Smart shot 15.5 FGs at an awful TS of .486. Josh Smith? 20 FGAs. .419 TS. Seriously. He makes Smart look like Steph Curry. His usage percent of 22% is still amazingly high for such a bad offensive player.
So he might offer some defensive help but he's such an incredible net negative offensively - he destroys any offensive flow you might get - that you shouldn't ever put him on the court.
Thomas Robinson, however, is worth a reclamation project. He's 26 which means he's at least in his prime (Smith is 31). TR is lousy offensively because he doesn't contribute much but that's okay. He offers one thing that Smith doesn't - and something we don't have on the team. He can rebound at a prodigious rate. He has lifetime rebound numbers of around 20%. Josh Smith is 13%. Simply put, he's bigger, younger and can crash the boards much better. He also may not help on offense but at least he won't chuck bad shots at an alarming clip.
With guys like Horford, Morris, Semi, Brown and Smart; I'm not worried about versatile defenders. I want someone who can crash the boards, play in our system and won't mind coming off the bench. A bit of potential is nice. Thomas Robinson is that guy. Josh Smith is not.
Well said; TP.
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We all harp on Smart's shooting. Smart shot 15.5 FGs (per 100) at an awful TS of .486. Josh Smith? 20 FGAs. .419 TS. Seriously. He makes Smart look like Steph Curry. His usage percent of 22% is still amazingly high for such a bad offensive player.
So he might offer some defensive help but he's such an incredible net negative offensively - he destroys any offensive flow you might get - that you shouldn't ever put him on the court.
Thomas Robinson, however, is worth a reclamation project. He's 26 which means he's at least in his prime (Smith is 31). TR is lousy offensively because he doesn't contribute much but that's okay. He offers one thing that Smith doesn't - and something we don't have on the team. He can rebound at a prodigious rate. He has lifetime rebound numbers of around 20%. Josh Smith is 13%. Simply put, he's bigger, younger and can crash the boards much better. He also may not help on offense but at least he won't chuck bad shots at an alarming clip.
With guys like Horford, Morris, Semi, Brown and Smart; I'm not worried about versatile defenders. I want someone who can crash the boards, play in our system and won't mind coming off the bench. A bit of potential is nice. Thomas Robinson is that guy. Josh Smith is not.
Josh Smith has never had a TS% lower than 43.9% in any season (his most recent) and only has three other seasons under 50% for a TS%. It is true for 23 games his last year he had a TS% of 41.9 in Houston, but that was on 7.3 attempts, not 20, and he was significantly better in LA that same season.
Robinson is a better rebounder, but he doesn't do anything else so he can solely focus on his rebounding. And for as bad a foul shooter as Smith is, Robinson is significantly worse.
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Ugh. Where is the "None of the above." option?
I guess I'd pick Robinson of the two, because he's at least a strong rebounder.
But he's truly horrible on offense -- possibly one of the worst offensive players in the NBA. Seriously, for a true big man, he has an embarrassingly low finish rate on shots within 3-feet, just 64.3%. To give you an idea of how bad that is, the following players last year ALL had higher finish rates within 3 feet of the rim: Kelly Olynyk, Amir Johnson, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jonas Jerebko and Gerald Green. In fact, the first 4 names on there all had rates above 70%.
He's a good offensive rebounder, so two-thirds of his shots are all within this range. And yet he's simply not good at putting the [dang] ball back in the hoop!
And if you are looking for him to kick those rebounds out for someone else to finish, beware. He has a career 16.8% TOV rate (17% last year). The only Celtic last year with a rate that high was Jordan Mickey!
He's a terrible passer and has no feel for the game whatsoever. He grabs rebounds based on athleticism. But he doesn't _DO_ positive things with the rebounds he gets!!! And he's a truly atrocious shooter from all distances, including the FT line, where his career FT% is 50.5% (and it was well below that each of the last two seasons).
Thomas Robinson is not a good basketball player.
On the other hand, Josh Smith isn't anymore either.
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Josh Smith in 2011-2012 would have been great.
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I'll take the guy who knows he kinda sucks.
This is a really good answer
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Hawes does seem like a BS player. He can shoot...
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Ugh. Where is the "None of the above." option?
I guess I'd pick Robinson of the two, because he's at least a strong rebounder.
But he's truly horrible on offense -- possibly one of the worst offensive players in the NBA. Seriously, for a true big man, he has an embarrassingly low finish rate on shots within 3-feet, just 64.3%. To give you an idea of how bad that is, the following players last year ALL had higher finish rates within 3 feet of the rim: Kelly Olynyk, Amir Johnson, Jae Crowder, Al Horford, Jonas Jerebko and Gerald Green. In fact, the first 4 names on there all had rates above 70%.
He's a good offensive rebounder, so two-thirds of his shots are all within this range. And yet he's simply not good at putting the [dang] ball back in the hoop!
And if you are looking for him to kick those rebounds out for someone else to finish, beware. He has a career 16.8% TOV rate (17% last year). The only Celtic last year with a rate that high was Jordan Mickey!
He's a terrible passer and has no feel for the game whatsoever. He grabs rebounds based on athleticism. But he doesn't _DO_ positive things with the rebounds he gets!!! And he's a truly atrocious shooter from all distances, including the FT line, where his career FT% is 50.5% (and it was well below that each of the last two seasons).
Thomas Robinson is not a good basketball player.
On the other hand, Josh Smith isn't anymore either.
I added other....
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Josh Smith's game used to drive me crazy. Unless he's transformed in some way I'd be unaware of, and older Josh Smith sounds like a bad idea.
Great analysis on Robinson by mmmmmm -- I'll vote no on him too based on that.
Third option?
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Josh Smith's game used to drive me crazy. Unless he's transformed in some way I'd be unaware of, and older Josh Smith sounds like a bad idea.
Great analysis on Robinson by mmmmmm -- I'll vote no on him too based on that.
Third option?
I added Spencer Hawes...
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Spencer Hawes is better than Bogut? You mean last year, right?
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any votes for Sheed ?
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Spencer Hawes is better than Bogut? You mean last year, right?
Hawes is comparable to Kelly Olynyk but a little less productive. He could be better in BS system though and he will be cheap.
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Spencer Hawes is better than Bogut? You mean last year, right?
Hawes is comparable to Kelly Olynyk but a little less productive. He could be better in BS system though and he will be cheap.
I prefer a rim protector than a stretch big at this point.
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I think we are only talking about a 3rd string big...
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this question stings
do i have to chose
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this question stings
do i have to chose
We can add leave spot open....
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Former Josh Smith fanboy.
I think his J SMoove days are behind him. What a shame he never made an all star game during 7 year stretch where he averaged 17/8.5/3.5/1.4/2.1. Crazy
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Hawes does seem like a BS player. He can shoot...
Yes he does. Plus aren't we currently lacking in the wild hair department?
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Hawes does seem like a BS player. He can shoot...
Yes he does. Plus aren't we currently lacking in the wild hair department?
Can Hawes pull off the man bun?
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Hawes does seem like a BS player. He can shoot...
Yes he does. Plus aren't we currently lacking in the wild hair department?
Can Hawes pull off the man bun?
We'll need him to replicate a Kelly Olynyk-like game against the Wizards this season.
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Hawes does seem like a BS player. He can shoot...
Yes he does. Plus aren't we currently lacking in the wild hair department?
Can Hawes pull off the man bun?
We'll need him to replicate a Kelly Olynyk-like game against the Wizards this season.
The Cavs will be playing the Wizards in the playoffs next spring and The Celtics will be waiting for the winner of that series...
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1) Bogut: need to back up Baynes who is our only true center
2) Robinson: interesting rebounder
3) Nicholson: just stretched by Blazers and can shoot the 3 a little bit
Whoever of these three it is, I hope that he averages less than 10 mpg. Anything greater would be a sign of trouble for this team.
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Spencer Hawes available..I know he kinda sucks, but better than these guys or Bogut...
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/903367484572667905
Hawes does seem like a BS player. He can shoot...
Yes he does. Plus aren't we currently lacking in the wild hair department?
Can Hawes pull off the man bun?
We'll need him to replicate a Kelly Olynyk-like game against the Wizards this season.
The Cavs will be playing the Wizards in the playoffs next spring and The Celtics will be waiting for the winner of that series...
After the Celtics sweep the Charlotte Hornets and Toronto Raptors, indeed they will be waiting ;)
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Former Josh Smith fanboy.
I think his J Smoove days are behind him. What a shame he never made an all star game during 7-year stretch where he averaged 17/8.5/3.5/1.4/2.1. Crazy
Josh had a good run during that stretch, but it is hard to state he was truly snubbed from the All Star squads. He just never was that much of a high-level player, BBIQ guy nor a spacer. His age 26 season, the lockout shortened 2011/12, was probably his best, but Joe Johnson and Luol Deng took his position.
Marquese Chris reminds me of him. An athletic freak that comes to the league so young and raw, makes block/dunk/putback highlights and gets a starting job from the start, even though they can't produce at that level for years.
When a player, like JS, falls off like that at the age of 30, it usually means he was in the league due to his athletic gifts and they are gone now.
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Waiting for the Robinson vet minimum signing. He is exactly what we need: a quick twitch, no nonsense rebound machine.
This is such a glaring need. He will fill it well and be nice insurance for match ups that require his skill set.
Get it done.
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Robinson all the way for me, I sdo not want to see Josh Smith ever don Celtics green.
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Hawes would be a good pick up for The Celtics and since he's getting his contract stretched he'd come for the minimum.
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Hawes would be a good pick up for The Celtics and since he's getting his contract stretched he'd come for the minimum.
If Hawes wants the best chance to rehabilitate his status, he should go to Nets. They need bigs and they let bigs shoot threes. Could be a win-win for both sides.
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Robinson is younger, quicker, and a better banger. I think he fits better in a small ball system.
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Robinson is younger, quicker, and a better banger. I think he fits better in a small ball system.
Robinson is a one dimensional rebounder who can't shoot....
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Robinson is younger, quicker, and a better banger. I think he fits better in a small ball system.
Robinson is a one dimensional rebounder who can't shoot....
Well, that seems like 1 more dimension than Smith at this point
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Smith used to be a great player, he was an elite athlete who was a problem on the break and a turnover creator on defense. As he aged his defense/athleticism slipped and he decided he was going to shoot more 3's despite being a bad shooter.
If he has recaptured his athleticism while in China then he'd be a great buy low player whose value can be rehabbed. However, I doubt that is the case.
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Maybe Smith, for a workout, but I think TRob has way more of a future and probably fits better
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Robinson is younger, quicker, and a better banger. I think he fits better in a small ball system.
Robinson is a one dimensional rebounder who can't shoot....
Robinson scores mostly on second chances and in transition. That is a higher percentage offensive approach than a 3-point trigger happy approach by Josh.
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Hawes was just released
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We need to re-do the poll with all the options.
The results are skewed from the early voting when only Robinson or Smith were options.
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None of these guys move the needle at all.