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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: perks-a-beast on August 31, 2017, 10:41:13 AM
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When Danny commented on how Isaiah doesn't fit this teams timetable, that made me wonder - what does he think of Horfords fit? I like AH a lot and i actually think his game will age gracefully, but there's no doubt that at 31 he may be the next to go.
I thought of a few trades that could make sense and which nets Boston a quality return...
Trade 1.
Boston trades: Al Horford, Shane Larkin
Portland trades: Jusuf Nurkic, Evan Turner, Ed Davis
Trade 2.
Boston trades: Al Horford
OKC trades: Steven Adams, Kyle Singler, 2018 1st round pick (top 20 protected)
Trade 3.
Boston trades: Al Horford, Shane Larkin
Milwaukee trades: Greg Monroe, Thon Maker, Mirza Teletovic
Trade 4.
Boston trades: Al Horford, 2nd round pick
Houston trades: Clint Capela, Ryan Anderson, Tarik Black
Am i close on his value? I know he is a 31 year old making 30 mill a season but there is no doubt he is still a solid contributor. I think there will be a market for his talents if the Celtics chose to part ways with him.
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I think Horford's trade value is tough. Certainly, he is a "win now" piece at his age, and we are in win now and later mode.
He is too pricy for what he brings to the table to be a real attractive piece in and of himself to another team. We would really need a big in return, so it really would be odd to find a trade partner that needs him but can give us a big in return that, presumably, would be just as good?
I think Horford fits great here in terms of spacing, playmaking ability (really really above average for a big), and defense, so I think we ride out his contract. He is more valuable to us and our system than anywhere else, I think.
The only way I see him being moved is if it's as the main salary with other pieces for a max contract better big, where the other team doesn't mind taking him as a decent place holding player that maybe they can deal later but they really want the additional pieces we'd offer.
Specifically, someone like Anthony Davis (pipe dream).
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Only trade two comes close in terms of value for the Celtics.
But none of them really help push the team forward.
More likely, he is the big contract in a bigger trade for a better big man (if one comes available)
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Horford and Lakers Pick
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Carmelo and Porzingis
Knicks get out from under Carmelo and have an asset (Horford) that is more tradeable plus a really good future pick. We have to put up with Carmelo for a season or two but I think we could get enough out of him to actually help, plus get our young big for the future.
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Why in the world would the Knicks do that? They have no need for Horford and Porzingis is the type of prospect you want that pick to be used on.
Only if they're done with Porzingis as a high level prospect would they make that move.
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I want no part of Nurkic or Turner. Turners deal is bad and Nurkic is a potential headcase who was only high level for such a short span.
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Only in an AD trade would I consider moving Al, otherwise I don't see the downside of our oldest player being a facilitating, floor spacing, versatile defender. Let Al be a calming influence in the locker room while the other guys figure out where they fit on this team.
Isaiah not fitting the timeline is different since he was lining up to be our primary scoring option over the youth movement. If we needed that role filled it makes sense to fill it with Kyrie since he should still be in his prime when the young guns are entering there's.
Like you said Horford should age gracefully. His post prime probably won't look all that different than how he plays right now, similar to how KG was able keep his production up well into his 30's.
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Any doubts I had about Horford were erased in the playoffs. The issue is us not having a springy rim-protecting 4 to play with him. I don't see us getting value for him given his contract.
I am optimistic about how his game will age. I believe he could be the starting center on a championship team at 33y/o. If we end up re-signing him to a reasonable deal as a first big off the bench, I would be really happy.
Edit: The situation is different from IT for many reasons, maybe most of all because the team isn't about to have to make a decision about committing max dollars to Horford. If we had to sign him this off-season, maybe we wouldn't. But given that he's already learned the system and is under contract, I don't see him being moved until he's expiring and likely not even then.
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I've been thinking when New Orleans team fails again , we offer Horford ,Rozier and the Lakers pick for Cousins.
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When Danny commented on how Isaiah doesn't fit this teams timetable, that made me wonder - what does he think of Horfords fit? I like AH a lot and i actually think his game will age gracefully, but there's no doubt that at 31 he may be the next to go.
I thought of a few trades that could make sense and which nets Boston a quality return...
Trade 1.
Boston trades: Al Horford, Shane Larkin
Portland trades: Jusuf Nurkic, Evan Turner, Ed Davis
Trade 2.
Boston trades: Al Horford
OKC trades: Steven Adams, Kyle Singler, 2018 1st round pick (top 20 protected)
Trade 3.
Boston trades: Al Horford, Shane Larkin
Milwaukee trades: Greg Monroe, Thon Maker, Mirza Teletovic
Trade 4.
Boston trades: Al Horford, 2nd round pick
Houston trades: Clint Capela, Ryan Anderson, Tarik Black
Am i close on his value? I know he is a 31 year old making 30 mill a season but there is no doubt he is still a solid contributor. I think there will be a market for his talents if the Celtics chose to part ways with him.
Trade 1 is a maybe depending on how you feel about Evan Turner.
Trade 2 I think is way overvaluing Al. With Adam's current skill set and his age, I'd probably prefer Adams straight up. You're definitely not getting him and a 1st rounder.
Trade 3 take Thon Maker and Shane out and yes.
Trade 4 - I haven't watched enough of Houston, so I don't know.
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Horford will not be traded this season unless he asks to be traded, and frankly I don't think him getting traded next summer is all that likely.
Thomas being traded was far more about his salary timeline then his actual age timeline.
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isnt his contract up in 2 years? I dont think he will be traded. Horfords game complements what Brad stevens wants to do perfectly. he is a passing big man who can space the floor and shoot the 3. part of the reason we were able to make it to the ECF was because of Horford.
he really stepped it up in the playoffs as well
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I've been thinking when New Orleans team fails again , we offer Horford ,Rozier and the Lakers pick for Cousins.
First, offer Horford, Smart, Tatum, Yabusele, Lakers pick, Clippers pick, Grizzlies pick for AD while also taking on E'Twaun Moore and Solomon Hill contracts from them.
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I've been thinking when New Orleans team fails again , we offer Horford ,Rozier and the Lakers pick for Cousins.
First, offer Horford, Smart, Tatum, Yabusele, Lakers pick, Clippers pick, Grizzlies pick for AD while also taking on E'Twaun Moore and Solomon Hill contracts from them.
Wayyyyyy too much
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isnt his contract up in 2 years? I dont think he will be traded. Horfords game complements what Brad stevens wants to do perfectly. he is a passing big man who can space the floor and shoot the 3. part of the reason we were able to make it to the ECF was because of Horford.
he really stepped it up in the playoffs as well
He is the perfect center for this team, great passer, ball movement, doesn't have the ego. I doubt he'll be traded unless its for Davis. I could see Stevens wanting him resigned at lower rate when contract ends.
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Trading Horford makes me uncomfortable. I generally have no empathy re: trades -- I think DA should trade whoever gets him better value in return. BUT -- the idea of trading a big-time FA-signee after a year (or 1.5 years if at deadline) is just bad form. If Horford under-performed that would be a different story, but he's played pretty much to expectations. I wouldn't feel bad for Horford -- he'll make ends meet -- but it feels wrong and sends a bad message to future FA prospects.
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Trading Horford makes me uncomfortable. I generally have no empathy re: trades -- I think DA should trade whoever gets him better value in return. BUT -- the idea of trading a big-time FA-signee after a year (or 1.5 years if at deadline) is just bad form. If Horford under-performed that would be a different story, but he's played pretty much to expectations. I wouldn't feel bad for Horford -- he'll make ends meet -- but it feels wrong and sends a bad message to future FA prospects.
If you are trading Horford in a trade that involves someone like Anthony Davis I think they'd understand lol
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I've been thinking when New Orleans team fails again , we offer Horford ,Rozier and the Lakers pick for Cousins.
First, offer Horford, Smart, Tatum, Yabusele, Lakers pick, Clippers pick, Grizzlies pick for AD while also taking on E'Twaun Moore and Solomon Hill contracts from them.
Wayyyyyy too much
I don't think so. We will have to "overpay" to get AD, much like Kyrie. As long as you don't have to give up both Jaylen and Tatum, its a huge win.
Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, AD is a stud Top 4. Still would have Morris and Rozier for one more year. Fill the team with veteran minimum guys, 2nd rounders (hopefully Ojeleye turns into a stud) and of course Solomon Hill and E'Twaun Moore.