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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on August 22, 2017, 10:03:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/stevekylernba/status/900166435749728258
Is danny ainge cashing in more chips?
Full ainge conference call on kyrie: https://youtu.be/SMyW0Pbr8ks
If you notice, ainge repeats "age 25" and kyries age a lot. He's impressed with what he's accomplished so quickly
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Would not be surprised and certainly would make sense.
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WOW what a trade..
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What else can we do? Unless we're trading Horford, we can't take on any more salary, and there aren't any draft picks better than the BKN 18 to trade for.
Mike
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what other things can we trade? Cant trade kyrie and tatum and lakers pick for davis- can we? Even though it works in trade machine. Gasol coming next? That would even be more impossible due to salary. Shaq unretiring? What else is left. Horford for?
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Well at least one roster spot opened up and if you think Larkin doesn't make the team, maybe two spots. Gotta think Danny has some vet min in mind to fill it. And if he has another trade going by moving the LA pick, it has to be some young player on a rookie contract because who else do we have in salary to trade.
Could Morris and parts be headed with picks to Dallas in a sign and trade for Noel? Nah. But what other moves could he make? Gotta think about this.
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Sure. Lets see it
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Harford and a pick for cousins would be something...
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Harford and a pick for cousins would be something...
I prefer davis
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what other things can we trade? Cant trade kyrie and tatum and lakers pick for davis- can we? Even though it works in trade machine. Gasol coming next? That would even be more impossible due to salary. Shaq unretiring? What else is left. Horford for?
I'd be onboard.
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Harford and a pick for cousins would be something...
I prefer davis
Personally I prefer MJ in his prime. Sadly, we aren't getting either for Al Horford and a pick :-[
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As others have said, we just lost a huge trade chip, so additional moves that move the needle may be challenging.
Could Ainge potentially be referring to other moves made around the league? Maybe the Nets are on the verge of landing a significant upgrade that would immediately reduce the value of the 2018 pick? Could IT end up missing half the season?
Ainge is a sharp guy, so I have a hard time believing he'd make a statement like that without some validity to it.
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Harford and a pick for cousins would be something...
I prefer davis
Personally I prefer MJ in his prime. Sadly, we aren't getting either for Al Horford and a pick :-[
Hahaha, TP.
More of a Bird man myself, but to each their own ;D
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who else is on the block?
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Well at least one roster spot opened up and if you think Larkin doesn't make the team, maybe two spots. Gotta think Danny has some vet min in mind to fill it. And if he has another trade going by moving the LA pick, it has to be some young player on a rookie contract because who else do we have in salary to trade.
Could Morris and parts be headed with picks to Dallas in a sign and trade for Noel? Nah. But what other moves could he make? Gotta think about this.
I don't think Noel is attainable. If he were willing to sign for $13-14 million in year one, which is about the most we can pay him without including Brown, Tatum, Smart, or Horford (assuming we don't trade five players to get him), he'd already have signed a deal with the Mavs. Realistically you'd have to send about $14 million in outgoing salary to match the salary he's currently willing to hold out for. It's just too much salary.
JaMychal Green is probably the RFA most achievable with Morris' salary as the primary component. Throw in Nader and he could get a little above the full MLE equivalent, which is probably the best he's going to do.
I guess I'd also be curious what Len's price tag is too. We'll see what happens in two weeks when Morris can be traded.
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who else is on the block?
Have you been paying attention this offseason? Virtually everyone is on the block, from the looks of it.
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He has his eye on a top big man and it's not Noel, Cousins or Drummond. I'm guessing they're under 29 years old based on Kyrie & Hayward, so not Marc Gasol. I don't think he necessarily pulls anything off, but that sounds like Porzingis or Davis to me.
I think the funniest would be a move for Klay though.
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This trade has left me in shock but Danny always seems to win these trades even when they look like he lost the trade or it was an even trade at the time. Danny is taking some big risks this year but that's why he gets the big money. DA only has one goal and that is to win another banner. I am still in shock but I'll be ready for training camp!
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who else is on the block?
Have you been paying attention this offseason? Virtually everyone is on the block, from the looks of it.
There isn't much of a block left anymore!
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who else is on the block?
Have you been paying attention this offseason? Virtually everyone is on the block, from the looks of it.
i haven't heard of anyone lately. who? melo doesn't fit. who are kyrie's boys?
okafur for the duke connection?
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He has his eye on a top big man and it's not Noel, Cousins or Drummond. I'm guessing they're under 29 years old based on Kyrie & Hayward, so not Marc Gasol. I don't think he necessarily pulls anything off, but that sounds like Porzingis or Davis to me.
I think the funniest would be a move for Klay though.
Either would make me a pretty happy dude!
As would Cousins for that matter.
At this point I would welcome just about anybody above 6'10" who rebounds and either scores/defends.
Here is a list of all the bigs I can think of who may potentially be available:
* Cousins ($18.0m - Possible concerns over fit with AD in New Orleans)
* Greg Monroe ($17.8m - I get the feeling the Bucks aren't that in to him)
* Nic Vucevic ($12.2m - Seems to have been on the block a lot lately)
* Jahlil Okafor ($4.9m - Clearly seems outside of Philly's plans)
* Marcin Gortat ($12.8m - I think I read that he was unhappy in Washington)
* Julius Randle ($4.1m - Is he in Lakers' long term plans?)
* Robin Lopez ($13.8m - Possible rebuild in Chicago?)
* Thadeus Young ($14.9m - Possible rebuild in Indiana?)
* Al Jefferson ($9.7m - Possible rebuild in Indiana?)
* Kenneth Faried ($12.9m - Not much to cling to in Denver really...)
* Deandre Jordan ($22.6m - Will the new GM decide to rebuild with CP3 gone?)
* Gorgui Dieng ($14.1m - Might be redundant with Towns and Gibson there)
* Tyson Chandler ($13m - Does he have anything left?)
* Lemarcus Aldridge ($21.4m - Reportedly wants out of San Antonio)
* Derrick Favors ($12M - Could Jazz decide to rebuild after losing Hayward?)
* Krisaps Porzingis ($4.5m - Recent dramas, etc)
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who else is on the block?
Have you been paying attention this offseason? Virtually everyone is on the block, from the looks of it.
There isn't much of a block left anymore!
I think this trade is the definition of "blockbuster."
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who else is on the block?
Have you been paying attention this offseason? Virtually everyone is on the block, from the looks of it.
There isn't much of a block left anymore!
I think this trade is the definition of "blockbuster."
fireworks for sure
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Porzingis would make sense in terms of being someone that's been rumored to be available, he's someone Ainge would like, and he makes us much better both in the short term and the long term.
The question there would be what we'd need to send to NY in order to get him, and whether or not the Knicks would be willing to trade their franchise player to a longtime rival. Not only would the Knicks be trading him to a longtime rival, but to a longtime rival that - in this scenario - would then become serious title contenders for years to come.
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2 of the 3 guys that were recently put on the block are gone in AB and Jae with Smart the only one standing. Maybe he isn't safe either. IT4 was said to have been on the block before last season and now he's gone. I almost forgot about Roze but if we go by reports he has been on the block his entire (short) career.
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What does Smart and the Lakers pick get us? Jabari?
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What does Smart and the Lakers pick get us? Jabari?
Hard to trade Smart now IMO. Financially, paying him next summer is more viable now, and he's an excellent long-term complement to Kyrie.
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https://youtu.be/SMyW0Pbr8ks
^Full ainge conference call on kyrie
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What does Smart and the Lakers pick get us? Jabari?
Hard to trade Smart now IMO. Financially, paying him next summer is more viable now, and he's an excellent long-term complement to Kyrie.
I've traditionally not been the biggest fan of Smart's fit for this team, but after this trade I have to agree.
With Hayward and Kyrie out there we now have enough offensive firepower and outside shooting that we can afford to play smart at the starting SG spot and utilise his defence, physicality and energy.
That trio of Kyrie / Marcus / Gordon could actually be very tough.
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Porzingis would make sense in terms of being someone that's been rumored to be available, he's someone Ainge would like, and he makes us much better both in the short term and the long term.
The question there would be what we'd need to send to NY in order to get him, and whether or not the Knicks would be willing to trade their franchise player to a longtime rival. Not only would the Knicks be trading him to a longtime rival, but to a longtime rival that - in this scenario - would then become serious title contenders for years to come.
Porzingas makes a lot of sense for the hint Danny gave. His contract would be easy to match and the Celtics can trade a ton of picks to the Knicks. Porzingas' relationship with NYK's front office could be irreparable and he could have asked for a trade. We don't know for sure. But
To NYK: Yabusele, Larkin, LA/Sac pick, 2018 Boston pick, Memphis pick, 2020 Boston pick
To Boston: Porzingas
Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart/Nader
Hayward/Tatum/Ojeleye
Porzinga/Morris/Theis
Horford/Baynes
Cash in those pick assets Danny!!!
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who else is on the block?
I would encourage Marcus Smart to rent.
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I don't think any other moves are happening. Just filling out the roster with a veteran at some point. Danny always ends things open ended, just like he always says no player is untouchable.
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No more big moves likely. Maybe of an end of bench veteran like Allen or Bogut.
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No more big moves likely. Maybe of an end of bench veteran like Allen or Bogut.
completely agree that no more big moves are likely, but the Thomas-Irving trade wasnt likely either.
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Still could use a big with Zizic leaving.
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Still could use a big with Zizic leaving.
Umm, no. Absolutely HAVE TO get a big. This trade makes no sense otherwise.
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Porzingis would make sense in terms of being someone that's been rumored to be available, he's someone Ainge would like, and he makes us much better both in the short term and the long term.
The question there would be what we'd need to send to NY in order to get him, and whether or not the Knicks would be willing to trade their franchise player to a longtime rival. Not only would the Knicks be trading him to a longtime rival, but to a longtime rival that - in this scenario - would then become serious title contenders for years to come.
Porzingas makes a lot of sense for the hint Danny gave. His contract would be easy to match and the Celtics can trade a ton of picks to the Knicks. Porzingas' relationship with NYK's front office could be irreparable and he could have asked for a trade. We don't know for sure. But
To NYK: Yabusele, Larkin, LA/Sac pick, 2018 Boston pick, Memphis pick, 2020 Boston pick
To Boston: Porzingas
Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart/Nader
Hayward/Tatum/Ojeleye
Porzinga/Morris/Theis
Horford/Baynes
Cash in those pick assets Danny!!!
I think Jaylen Brown and the Lakers pick seems like a more reasonable return from New York's perspective.
If that were to happen, then Danny would have traded an aging Pierce and Garnett into essentially Kyrie Irving, Jason Tatum, Marcus Smart, and Kristaps Porzingis
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Porzingis would make sense in terms of being someone that's been rumored to be available, he's someone Ainge would like, and he makes us much better both in the short term and the long term.
The question there would be what we'd need to send to NY in order to get him, and whether or not the Knicks would be willing to trade their franchise player to a longtime rival. Not only would the Knicks be trading him to a longtime rival, but to a longtime rival that - in this scenario - would then become serious title contenders for years to come.
Porzingas makes a lot of sense for the hint Danny gave. His contract would be easy to match and the Celtics can trade a ton of picks to the Knicks. Porzingas' relationship with NYK's front office could be irreparable and he could have asked for a trade. We don't know for sure. But
To NYK: Yabusele, Larkin, LA/Sac pick, 2018 Boston pick, Memphis pick, 2020 Boston pick
To Boston: Porzingas
Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart/Nader
Hayward/Tatum/Ojeleye
Porzinga/Morris/Theis
Horford/Baynes
Cash in those pick assets Danny!!!
With all due respect, if Scott Perry makes this trade, his gm career will be very short. Perhaps, a trade constructed around Brown and the Lakers pick in exchange for the prototype of the modern NBA big man, might entice the Knicks. If I'm the Knicks, I'm not moving him for anything less than 2 high quality assets.
I see that another poster beat me to it.
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This team has so many new players that DA may want to wait a year to make any more big deals just to see how everyone meshes or at least give this team a year to mesh before they take over the East (pending Lebron moving out).
But I agree that now may be the time to cash in those chips if DA finds the right deal. I'd hate to lose Horford but he's most likely to go, along with Brown or Tatum and the LA pick, if we're to upgrade our BIGs position. I just don't see/read anything that makes sense (a lot of proposed trades make sense for us but not the other team(s).
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Man this was fun ...... :P
Bring it on Danny !
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We'll see what happens in two weeks when Morris can be traded.
This seems like a key. If we are waiting "until the end of the summer" as Danny said in the call, then the Morris contract seems like the reason right? Are there any other constraints we face that would change between now and then?
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https://youtu.be/SMyW0Pbr8ks
^Full ainge conference call on kyrie
Bit of a cliffhanger!
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I think the most likely scenario is Danny using the mid-level exception, as his last move of the summer.
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I think the most likely scenario is Danny using the mid-level exception, as his last move of the summer.
Do the Celtics even have this? Didn't they use the room to sign Baynes?
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Still could use a big with Zizic leaving.
Umm, no. Absolutely HAVE TO get a big. This trade makes no sense otherwise.
I have to think Ainge is talking about a blockbuster with someone or else why make this ish trade..
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The Cs have been connected to Okafor in the past. If he could be had for cheap, I wonder if Danny would take a chance on him as a reclamation project. We wouldn't have to give up any major pieces to get him either.
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The Cs have been connected to Okafor in the past. If he could be had for cheap, I wonder if Danny would take a chance on him as a reclamation project. We wouldn't have to give up any major pieces to get him either.
So we think Danny's gunning for the worst defense of all time?
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The Cs have been connected to Okafor in the past. If he could be had for cheap, I wonder if Danny would take a chance on him as a reclamation project. We wouldn't have to give up any major pieces to get him either.
So we think Danny's gunning for the worst defense of all time?
lol
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I found that interesting when I heard it but it wasn't because he basically said we aren't done, but because he wasn't prompted for that answer. They were asking if this trade was the elusive "fireworks" trade and he said he doesn't know because the offseason isn't over. Adding a vet min player for our empty roster spot would not add to fireworks so he didn't need to answer that the way he did.
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I think the most likely scenario is Danny using the mid-level exception, as his last move of the summer.
This isn't possible this year. Boston had a room exception and used it on Baynes. They didn't have an MLE because they had cap space and used it to sign Hayward.
Might be possible next year.