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Title: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 22, 2017, 08:33:26 AM
We're reopening a thread to allow an ongoing Trump thread. This one will be more tightly moderated, with ground rules as follows:

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Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 22, 2017, 08:53:24 AM
TP Roy for starting up a new Trump thread.  let's see how this one plays out.

when you say no "pot shots", is that just between the posters (which is always good policy) or are you saying we can't pot shot Trump for something he does --> let's say, looking up at the eclipse without special glasses until he's pressured into putting them on?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 22, 2017, 10:07:02 AM
Yeah, TP to Roy for allowing another shot at this thread. Charlottesville really derailed the last one so lets all keep on subject here.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 22, 2017, 10:15:53 AM
Yeah, TP to Roy for allowing another shot at this thread. Charlottesville really derailed the last one so lets all keep on subject here.
TP to you to Nick for taking on the mod role for this topic.  best of luck - you'll likely need it.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on August 22, 2017, 10:18:55 AM
Thank you Roy.

We need this thread. I don't always agree with the other side, but I am open to learning and trying to see others opinion!

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 22, 2017, 10:22:13 AM
So Trump is heading to Phoenix today and there will be a bunch of different rallies going on both for and against the President. Among the topics he may bring up is granting a pardon to Joe Arpaio, a former sheriff and giant supporter of Trump's during his election campaigm who was found guilty of criminal contempt of court for violating a court order to not illegally detain undocumented immigrant workers.

Trump has hinted he may pardon him. I am not sure this is a good look for Trump because if he does it for Arpaio, he most likely would do it for people close to him that could be found guilty in the Russian matter. Just don't think its cool for friends, supporters, and colleagues of Trump to get a free pass for breaking laws because Trump likes them or because they supported/worked for Trump.

Now I am sure past Presidents probably of done just this thing, Republicans and Democrats alike. But I think its just wrong. They broke the law they should do their time.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 22, 2017, 10:50:57 AM
So Trump is heading to Phoenix today and there will be a bunch of different rallies going on both for and against the President. Among the topics he may bring up is granting a pardon to Joe Arpaio, a former sheriff and giant supporter of Trump's during his election campaigm who was found guilty of criminal contempt of court for violating a court order to not illegally detain undocumented immigrant workers.

Trump has hinted he may pardon him. I am not sure this is a good look for Trump because if he does it for Arpaio, he most likely would do it for people close to him that could be found guilty in the Russian matter. Just don't think its cool for friends, supporters, and colleagues of Trump to get a free pass for breaking laws because Trump likes them or because they supported/worked for Trump.

Now I am sure past Presidents probably of done just this thing, Republicans and Democrats alike. But I think its just wrong. They broke the law they should do their time.
I posted about this in the locked thread.  My feeling is that, more so than anything, the timing would be very bad for him to pardon Sheriff Arpaio now.  Sheriff Arpaio was found in contempt for continuing to racially profile people.  After Charlottesville and the uproar of how President Trump reacted I think pardoning the Sheriff now would be a political disaster.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on August 22, 2017, 10:56:40 AM
So Trump is heading to Phoenix today and there will be a bunch of different rallies going on both for and against the President. Among the topics he may bring up is granting a pardon to Joe Arpaio, a former sheriff and giant supporter of Trump's during his election campaigm who was found guilty of criminal contempt of court for violating a court order to not illegally detain undocumented immigrant workers.

Trump has hinted he may pardon him. I am not sure this is a good look for Trump because if he does it for Arpaio, he most likely would do it for people close to him that could be found guilty in the Russian matter. Just don't think its cool for friends, supporters, and colleagues of Trump to get a free pass for breaking laws because Trump likes them or because they supported/worked for Trump.

Now I am sure past Presidents probably of done just this thing, Republicans and Democrats alike. But I think its just wrong. They broke the law they should do their time.
I posted about this in the locked thread.  My feeling is that, more so than anything, the timing would be very bad for him to pardon Sheriff Arpaio now.  Sheriff Arpaio was found in contempt for continuing to racially profile people.  After Charlottesville and the uproar of how President Trump reacted I think pardoning the Sheriff now would be a political disaster.

We keep thinking everything will be a political disaster but it seems like this presidency is as resilient as a cockroach.....
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 22, 2017, 10:59:38 AM
So Trump is heading to Phoenix today and there will be a bunch of different rallies going on both for and against the President. Among the topics he may bring up is granting a pardon to Joe Arpaio, a former sheriff and giant supporter of Trump's during his election campaigm who was found guilty of criminal contempt of court for violating a court order to not illegally detain undocumented immigrant workers.

Trump has hinted he may pardon him. I am not sure this is a good look for Trump because if he does it for Arpaio, he most likely would do it for people close to him that could be found guilty in the Russian matter. Just don't think its cool for friends, supporters, and colleagues of Trump to get a free pass for breaking laws because Trump likes them or because they supported/worked for Trump.

Now I am sure past Presidents probably of done just this thing, Republicans and Democrats alike. But I think its just wrong. They broke the law they should do their time.

Yeah, almost all Presidents use the pardon power to score political points and/or to reward donors. I think it's distasteful myself. And yet, Jack Johnson can't get a posthumous pardon for some reason.

I think if Trump pardons Arpaio, it will be at a more politically convenient time.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 22, 2017, 11:02:51 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/)

21 AUGUST 2017 • 9:38AM
Ten US sailors were missing after a US destroyer collided with an oil tanker in southeast Asia, the second serious accident involving American Navy ships in the region in little more than two months.

Returning to the White House on Sunday night, President Donald Trump responded to reporters’ questions about the accident by saying: “That’s too bad.”

Strongly criticised on social media for his response, he later tweeted: "Thoughts & prayers are w/ our @USNavy sailors aboard the #USSJohnSMcCain where search & rescue efforts are underway."

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Trump is an absolutely insensitive and clueless dolt.  what grown adult would actually need to be told that "That's too bad" is an inappropriate response to that situation?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 22, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
TP Roy for starting up a new Trump thread.  let's see how this one plays out.

when you say no "pot shots", is that just between the posters (which is always good policy) or are you saying we can't pot shot Trump for something he does --> let's say, looking up at the eclipse without special glasses until he's pressured into putting them on?

I'd like to see criticism with substance. Sometimes open mocking of people can inflame their supporters, so I'd like to keep things as "high road" as possible. It's a lofty goal, especially when talking about somebody who goes low.

Just use your best discretion. If something is borderline we're probably going to cut you some slack.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 22, 2017, 11:09:32 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/)

21 AUGUST 2017 • 9:38AM
Ten US sailors were missing after a US destroyer collided with an oil tanker in southeast Asia, the second serious accident involving American Navy ships in the region in little more than two months.

Returning to the White House on Sunday night, President Donald Trump responded to reporters’ questions about the accident by saying: “That’s too bad.”

Strongly criticised on social media for his response, he later tweeted: "Thoughts & prayers are w/ our @USNavy sailors aboard the #USSJohnSMcCain where search & rescue efforts are underway."

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Trump is an absolutely insensitive and clueless dolt.  what grown adult would actually need to be told that "That's too bad" is an inappropriate response to that situation?

For a guy who has spent his entire life in business and television, you would think that he would have picked up some communication skills.  This isn't a "Big Deal" to me, but it's amazing how often he is willing to weigh in on something without being briefed on it.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 22, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/)

21 AUGUST 2017 • 9:38AM
Ten US sailors were missing after a US destroyer collided with an oil tanker in southeast Asia, the second serious accident involving American Navy ships in the region in little more than two months.

Returning to the White House on Sunday night, President Donald Trump responded to reporters’ questions about the accident by saying: “That’s too bad.”

Strongly criticised on social media for his response, he later tweeted: "Thoughts & prayers are w/ our @USNavy sailors aboard the #USSJohnSMcCain where search & rescue efforts are underway."

==========================================================


Trump is an absolutely insensitive and clueless dolt.  what grown adult would actually need to be told that "That's too bad" is an inappropriate response to that situation?

For a guy who has spent his entire life in business and television, you would think that he would have picked up some communication skills.  This isn't a "Big Deal" to me, but it's amazing how often he is willing to weigh in on something without being briefed on it.
one would think that just having reached 70 years old, Trump would have picked up some basics of human decency, particularly when it comes to knowing when to express sympathies and how to do so.  This was not a political matter where he could play off being blunt or discourteous.  This was a tragic incident that just called for some human compassion for the sailors and their families. 

it's nothing on a scale of impacting how he runs his presidency or the country but I do think it speaks volumes about him as a person.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 22, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/)

21 AUGUST 2017 • 9:38AM
Ten US sailors were missing after a US destroyer collided with an oil tanker in southeast Asia, the second serious accident involving American Navy ships in the region in little more than two months.

Returning to the White House on Sunday night, President Donald Trump responded to reporters’ questions about the accident by saying: “That’s too bad.”

Strongly criticised on social media for his response, he later tweeted: "Thoughts & prayers are w/ our @USNavy sailors aboard the #USSJohnSMcCain where search & rescue efforts are underway."

==========================================================


Trump is an absolutely insensitive and clueless dolt.  what grown adult would actually need to be told that "That's too bad" is an inappropriate response to that situation?

For a guy who has spent his entire life in business and television, you would think that he would have picked up some communication skills.  This isn't a "Big Deal" to me, but it's amazing how often he is willing to weigh in on something without being briefed on it.
Or go off script and just shoot from the hip. I think he has a couple of excellent guys behind him in Kelly and McMaster but he just doesn't listen or thinks he is smarter politically than they are.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jon on August 22, 2017, 12:55:03 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/rescue-efforts-launched-us-warship-collides-merchant-vessel/)

21 AUGUST 2017 • 9:38AM
Ten US sailors were missing after a US destroyer collided with an oil tanker in southeast Asia, the second serious accident involving American Navy ships in the region in little more than two months.

Returning to the White House on Sunday night, President Donald Trump responded to reporters’ questions about the accident by saying: “That’s too bad.”

Strongly criticised on social media for his response, he later tweeted: "Thoughts & prayers are w/ our @USNavy sailors aboard the #USSJohnSMcCain where search & rescue efforts are underway."

==========================================================


Trump is an absolutely insensitive and clueless dolt.  what grown adult would actually need to be told that "That's too bad" is an inappropriate response to that situation?

For a guy who has spent his entire life in business and television, you would think that he would have picked up some communication skills.  This isn't a "Big Deal" to me, but it's amazing how often he is willing to weigh in on something without being briefed on it.
Or go off script and just shoot from the hip. I think he has a couple of excellent guys behind him in Kelly and McMaster but he just doesn't listen or thinks he is smarter politically than they are.

I don't think he was ever savvy communications-wise, but at this point any skill he may have had seems tainted by dementia.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 23, 2017, 12:55:02 AM
Donald Trump gives one of the all time 'Im not sorry' speeches where he very inaccurately excoriates the media and implies he's gonna pardon Sheriff Joe and also doubles down on 'they're killing our heritage' and Danny Freaking Ainge trades IT, Crowder, Zizic, and the 2018 BKN pick and I'm honestly more worked up about the trade.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: KGs Knee on August 23, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
This is the most bizarre thing I was completely unaware of until now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-blacks-for-trump-guy-rally-20170823-story.html

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The presence of Michael the Black Man - variously known as Michael Symonette, Maurice Woodside and Mikael Israel - has inspired not only trending Twitter hashtags but a great deal of curiosity and Google searches. Internet sleuths find the man's bizarre URL, a easily-accessible gateway to his strange and checkered past.

The radical fringe activist from Miami once belonged to a violent black supremacist religious cult and he runs a handful of amateur, unintelligible conspiracy websites. He has called Barack Obama "The Beast" and Hillary Clinton a Ku Klux Klan member. Oprah, he says, is the devil.


Uh, what the heck?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on August 23, 2017, 01:41:58 PM
This is the most bizarre thing I was completely unaware of until now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-blacks-for-trump-guy-rally-20170823-story.html

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The presence of Michael the Black Man - variously known as Michael Symonette, Maurice Woodside and Mikael Israel - has inspired not only trending Twitter hashtags but a great deal of curiosity and Google searches. Internet sleuths find the man's bizarre URL, a easily-accessible gateway to his strange and checkered past.

The radical fringe activist from Miami once belonged to a violent black supremacist religious cult and he runs a handful of amateur, unintelligible conspiracy websites. He has called Barack Obama "The Beast" and Hillary Clinton a Ku Klux Klan member. Oprah, he says, is the devil.


Uh, what the heck?

TP for link.  Gotta be one of the strangest Trump stories...I don't claim to understand Trump, but cherry picking / placing that guy right behind Trump is crazy.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 23, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
This is the most bizarre thing I was completely unaware of until now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-blacks-for-trump-guy-rally-20170823-story.html

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The presence of Michael the Black Man - variously known as Michael Symonette, Maurice Woodside and Mikael Israel - has inspired not only trending Twitter hashtags but a great deal of curiosity and Google searches. Internet sleuths find the man's bizarre URL, a easily-accessible gateway to his strange and checkered past.

The radical fringe activist from Miami once belonged to a violent black supremacist religious cult and he runs a handful of amateur, unintelligible conspiracy websites. He has called Barack Obama "The Beast" and Hillary Clinton a Ku Klux Klan member. Oprah, he says, is the devil.


Uh, what the heck?

TP for link.  Gotta be one of the strangest Trump stories...I don't claim to understand Trump, but cherry picking / placing that guy right behind Trump is crazy.

Trump is in the Mike Tyson zone, where just about any crazy story is believable.

He prominently placed a former black supremacist / current conspiracy theory at his rallies? Of course he did.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on August 23, 2017, 06:50:29 PM
At least President Trump called for UNITY today during his American Legion speech.

I'm praying for this man to do MORE speeches like this.

I want to believe it's from the heart and I want to believe he's TRYING.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on August 23, 2017, 06:54:54 PM
More counter-productive stuff oozing from the mouth of our supreme overlord of crazy...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/us/politics/trump-wall-flake.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/us/politics/trump-wall-flake.html)

On Tuesday night, he told a rowdy crowd in Phoenix, “If we have to close down our government, we’re building that wall.”

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 23, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
My fears of Mr. Trump as President were that he was ill-suited, ill-prepared and ill-mannered to be President.  As much as I disagreed with his policies during his campaign it was his rhetoric that scared me the most.  Last night's speech reinforced my fears.  Again he has shown that he will continue to be thin-skinned, bombastic, divisive and does not have the diplomacy needed to lead and get things accomplished.  If he wants to have any success with his agenda he needs to "turn down the Trump" in order to get anyone in Washington to work with him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 23, 2017, 07:14:36 PM
I like Trump more than Kyrie Irving. That's my analysis of recent events, including Phoenix. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: 2short on August 23, 2017, 07:26:39 PM
This is the most bizarre thing I was completely unaware of until now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-blacks-for-trump-guy-rally-20170823-story.html

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The presence of Michael the Black Man - variously known as Michael Symonette, Maurice Woodside and Mikael Israel - has inspired not only trending Twitter hashtags but a great deal of curiosity and Google searches. Internet sleuths find the man's bizarre URL, a easily-accessible gateway to his strange and checkered past.

The radical fringe activist from Miami once belonged to a violent black supremacist religious cult and he runs a handful of amateur, unintelligible conspiracy websites. He has called Barack Obama "The Beast" and Hillary Clinton a Ku Klux Klan member. Oprah, he says, is the devil.


Uh, what the heck?

TP for link.  Gotta be one of the strangest Trump stories...I don't claim to understand Trump, but cherry picking / placing that guy right behind Trump is crazy.

Trump is in the Mike Tyson zone, where just about any crazy story is believable.

He prominently placed a former black supremacist / current conspiracy theory at his rallies? Of course he did.
funny thing is I at first thought this was a made up "fake news" thing
I'd hope security keeps a close eye on this nut job(mike the black man, not trump) what if he changes his mind (again) while standing so close to our government officials??
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on August 23, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
At least President Trump called for UNITY today during his American Legion speech.

I'm praying for this man to do MORE speeches like this.

I want to believe it's from the heart and I want to believe he's TRYING.

Unlike my conservative friends who eight years ago were completely done with Obama after 2 months, I am hoping every day that I have him wrongly pegged and that he's going to show some presidential skill.   I watched a good 30 minutes of his performance in Phoenix frequently shuddering in disbelief that this man is the POTUS and perhaps the most powerful man on Earth.  He was an embarrassment to America last night despite saying the word unity a few times.  2020 cannot come soon enough.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 24, 2017, 12:05:46 PM
Another day, another resignation, this time the science envoy to the State Department. Funny thing is the first letter in each paragraph of the resignation letter spells out IMPEACH". Ha!

Has any other president in recent memory have so many resignations and firings directly due to the president's actions, words and policies?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 24, 2017, 12:15:37 PM
Another day, another resignation, this time the science envoy to the State Department. Funny thing is the first letter in each paragraph of the resignation letter spells out IMPEACH". Ha!

Has any other president in recent memory have so many resignations and firings directly due to the president's actions, words and policies?
I read somewhere that the first letter in each paragraph from the Arts Council (I am not sure of their official name) spelled out "resist".
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jon on August 24, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
At least President Trump called for UNITY today during his American Legion speech.

I'm praying for this man to do MORE speeches like this.

I want to believe it's from the heart and I want to believe he's TRYING.

Did you pay any attention to what he said? Sure, he called for unity, and then he started ripping people apart, spewing lies left and right.

The man is a conman. The sad part is that he isn't even a good one and so many people are tricked. Never has a man been given so much in life for doing so little and attempted to convince everyone he's some sort of victim. 

It boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 24, 2017, 12:35:32 PM
Another day, another resignation, this time the science envoy to the State Department. Funny thing is the first letter in each paragraph of the resignation letter spells out IMPEACH". Ha!

Has any other president in recent memory have so many resignations and firings directly due to the president's actions, words and policies?
I read somewhere that the first letter in each paragraph from the Arts Council (I am not sure of their official name) spelled out "resist".
That's correct.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/18/trumps

The whole council resigned. The Manufacturing and Business councils resigned. Various people in the White House have resigned or been fired. Its mind boggling to me that a US President could be so toxic.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: kraidstar on August 24, 2017, 12:43:44 PM
Another day, another resignation, this time the science envoy to the State Department. Funny thing is the first letter in each paragraph of the resignation letter spells out IMPEACH". Ha!

Has any other president in recent memory have so many resignations and firings directly due to the president's actions, words and policies?
Would you want to be a scientist in this administration?

"He blinded me with science!"

(http://ell.h-cdn.co/assets/17/34/980x490/landscape-1503343403-gettyimages-836311080.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 24, 2017, 01:53:45 PM
Another day, another resignation, this time the science envoy to the State Department. Funny thing is the first letter in each paragraph of the resignation letter spells out IMPEACH". Ha!

Has any other president in recent memory have so many resignations and firings directly due to the president's actions, words and policies?
Would you want to be a scientist in this administration?

"He blinded me with science!"

(http://ell.h-cdn.co/assets/17/34/980x490/landscape-1503343403-gettyimages-836311080.jpg)
He probably thinks that like global warming the eclipse is a Chinese hoax.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 25, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Trump pardoned Sheriff Joe.

Comment from Tim Miller, republican consultant:

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If your executive action is so heinous it needs to be announced in a Friday news dump during a hurricane maybe consider not doing it.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Surferdad on August 25, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
At least President Trump called for UNITY today during his American Legion speech.

I'm praying for this man to do MORE speeches like this.

I want to believe it's from the heart and I want to believe he's TRYING.
Keep on praying if that helps you.  There's no evidence whatsoever that he speaks from the heart or he is trying.  In fact, ALL of evidence is to the opposite.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 25, 2017, 08:40:30 PM
Trump pardoned Sheriff Joe.

Comment from Tim Miller, republican consultant:

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If your executive action is so heinous it needs to be announced in a Friday news dump during a hurricane maybe consider not doing it.

For anyone who's not familiar, Arpaio was convicted for deliberately and repeatedly violating a court order to stop racially profiling Latinos. Yet another nod to virulent bigots across the land - the President has your back. Also underscores how utterly hollow the Republican complaints of "lawlessness" were. And the branding of Trump as a "law and order" candidate.

And in another move that accomplishes nothing but virtue signaling for bigots, the ban on trans soldiers was formalized.

At least Gorka is finally out.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 25, 2017, 08:43:40 PM
Trump pardoned Sheriff Joe.

Comment from Tim Miller, republican consultant:

Quote
If your executive action is so heinous it needs to be announced in a Friday news dump during a hurricane maybe consider not doing it.
Doing this so close to Charlottesville is an example of President Trump's political tone deafness.  That or it is him playing to the more racist portion/bigoted portion of his base.  Either way it is what is expected from him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on August 27, 2017, 01:06:57 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 27, 2017, 04:20:09 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on August 27, 2017, 04:31:51 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on August 27, 2017, 05:49:33 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 27, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on August 27, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

Oscar Lopez Rivera, killed people with bombs, search for yourself......
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 27, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/oscar-lopez-commutation-barack-obama-214685
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: D Dub on August 27, 2017, 09:44:57 PM
Whataboutism
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 27, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.
that's really downplaying (or omitting) one of the biggest issues he was in trouble for which was blatant racial profiling by pulling over people for just being hispanic.  he was just pulling people over and holding them to check their immigration status with no other reason to justify stopping them.  pulled over and detained a lot of citizens and legal immigrants.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: D Dub on August 27, 2017, 09:54:42 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.
that's really downplaying (or omitting) one of the biggest issues he was in trouble for which was blatant racial profiling by pulling over people for just being hispanic.  he was just pulling people over and holding them to check their immigration status with no other reason to justify stopping them.  pulled over and detained a lot of citizens and legal immigrants.

And the timing.   

Right on the heals of Charlottsville you pardon a convicted bigot?

Not sure how republicans continue to look the other way and enable such a racist regime. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 27, 2017, 10:00:34 PM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/oscar-lopez-commutation-barack-obama-214685
thanks.  wasn't familiar with this person. 

I don't get the push to pardon him but the article is correct that each president pardons some people for political expediency.  thing is, Trump didn't follow the usual channels for granting a pardon in this case.  Arpaio hadn't even been sentenced yet.  Arpaio should have spent some time in prison for blatantly violating people's rights.  If Trump pardoned him after some time had passed, it'd be possibly regarded as something similar to what the other presidents have done.   instead, it reeks of a prejudiced president as well as signalling Trump will bail out anyone brought up on charges in the Russia investigation. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on August 28, 2017, 12:30:46 AM
" The world is a vampire, sent to drain"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbofFq1ZJ6Y

Once we give up free speech in this country, it's over...

Trump 2020 ;D

Edit; oops meant to post this in alt-right rallies thread
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: trickybilly on August 28, 2017, 12:46:33 AM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

Oscar Lopez Rivera, killed people with bombs, search for yourself......

Despite wanting in no way to condone violence, nor to equivocate a stupid lowlife like Rivera with Mandela, or even Ho Chi Minh: one man's terrorist is another man's advocate for Independence by a foreign occupier.

I know that comparing Oranges with apples is a favorite Trumpian staple, but the breadth of issues which it now covers is truly remarkable.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: feckless on August 28, 2017, 01:30:59 AM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

Oscar Lopez Rivera, killed people with bombs, search for yourself......

Despite wanting in no way to condone violence, nor to equivocate a stupid lowlife like Rivera with Mandela, or even Ho Chi Minh: one man's terrorist is another man's advocate for Independence by a foreign occupier.

I know that comparing Oranges with apples is a favorite Trumpian staple, but the breadth of issues which it now covers is truly remarkable.

Yes look up Oscar Lopez Rivera and Obama.  You will see there was no pardon but commutation of a 55 year sentence to 35 years.  Very different. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 28, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

Oscar Lopez Rivera, killed people with bombs, search for yourself......

Despite wanting in no way to condone violence, nor to equivocate a stupid lowlife like Rivera with Mandela, or even Ho Chi Minh: one man's terrorist is another man's advocate for Independence by a foreign occupier.

I know that comparing Oranges with apples is a favorite Trumpian staple, but the breadth of issues which it now covers is truly remarkable.

Yes look up Oscar Lopez Rivera and Obama.  You will see there was no pardon but commutation of a 55 year sentence to 35 years.  Very different. 
true.  it's not like he was pardoned before he was sentenced  ::)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 28, 2017, 10:21:45 AM
Is there any justification for the Arpaio pardon? This is dictatorship/banana republic type stuff.

I suppose the justification is that at least one of the things he got in trouble for -- essentially, enforcing Federal immigration law -- was only newly off-limits due to Obama. Arpaio was allegedly fighting a political decision to do his job and protect the country.

But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Presidents pardon / commute the sentences of dozens, even hundreds, of people every term. Arpaio is no more or less deserving than most of them.

I guess we'll end up disagreeing on that. Even by the standards of the current republican party he was extreme. He was a law enforcement officer who ran a system so racist and cruel he was ordered to stop. He refused to stop and lied about it which was his ultimate conviction for which he was pardoned. It was done without the usual process and is condemned by nearly all, including republican state senator mccain. It basically sends an early term message that as long as your crimes are racist and you support trump, you will get off. Im guessing we will see a few pretty words and zero action from republican reps and senate, even though this is what impeachment was designed for.

Or you can pardon a literal terrorist like Obama did, and no one will say anything.....
I'll kick myself for asking - but who is this "literal terrorist" Obama pardoned?

Oscar Lopez Rivera, killed people with bombs, search for yourself......

Despite wanting in no way to condone violence, nor to equivocate a stupid lowlife like Rivera with Mandela, or even Ho Chi Minh: one man's terrorist is another man's advocate for Independence by a foreign occupier.

I know that comparing Oranges with apples is a favorite Trumpian staple, but the breadth of issues which it now covers is truly remarkable.

Yes look up Oscar Lopez Rivera and Obama.  You will see there was no pardon but commutation of a 55 year sentence to 35 years.  Very different. 
true.  it's not like he was pardoned before he was sentenced  ::)

That happens plenty, too. Take Marc Rich, who was pardoned while a fugitive, either because he's an extremely rich political donor, or because Israel asked us to, or both.

Almost all pardons and commutations are motivated by politics or patronage.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 28, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
I think 99% of pardons are disgusting. Crimes were committed and their time should be served. I don't have a left or right agenda here. I don't care who does the pardoning. Criminals should serve their sentences.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 28, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
I think 99% of pardons are disgusting. Crimes were committed and their time should be served. I don't have a left or right agenda here. I don't care who does the pardoning. Criminals should serve their sentences.

I agree. I would save pardons for cases where there is strong suspicion of innocence, or where a grave miscarriage of justice is being corrected.

The only ounce of credit I'll give Trump is that he didn't wait until the last few weeks of his term, which so many presidents do to avoid political consequences. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Vermont Green on August 28, 2017, 12:59:10 PM
I think 99% of pardons are disgusting. Crimes were committed and their time should be served. I don't have a left or right agenda here. I don't care who does the pardoning. Criminals should serve their sentences.

I agree that this pardon is no better or worse than most.  There are much bigger things we can criticize Trump for.

The part about this that bothers me the most is that Trump is essentially saying he is OK with violating how a Judge has interpreted the constitution so along as it is targeted to those Mexican rapists and drug dealers.  Kind of like the "don't worry about banging their head on the car" comments he made earlier.  I am Mr. law and order even if it means breaking the law.  There is a very troubling contradiction implied here.

But add it to the list of things about Trump that bother me (so when is Mexico going to pay for the wall again?, for example).
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 28, 2017, 01:23:49 PM
NYT found emails from a Trump business associate, Felix Sater (who has dubious organized crime connections and was part of a secret "peace plan" to remove Russian sanctions (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html) presented to Michael Flynn early in the administration).

Sent early in Trump's campaign, Sater pushes licensing a Trump Tower in Moscow and claims "I will get Putin in on this program and we will get Donald elected...Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-tower-putin-felix-sater.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-tower-putin-felix-sater.html)

Sater may have oversold his access, the tower was never licensed, and there's no indication of what else might've resulted from the proposal. But it's another huge puff of smoke around the issue, and yet another piece of evidence that Trump's people have repeatedly lied about his campaign's and his personal businesses' connections to Russia and Putin.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on August 28, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
I think 99% of pardons are disgusting. Crimes were committed and their time should be served. I don't have a left or right agenda here. I don't care who does the pardoning. Criminals should serve their sentences.

I agree. I would save pardons for cases where there is strong suspicion of innocence, or where a grave miscarriage of justice is being corrected.

The only ounce of credit I'll give Trump is that he didn't wait until the last few weeks of his term, which so many presidents do to avoid political consequences.
'

Out of trump's own mouth...

"In the middle of the hurricane, I assumed the ratings would be far higher than they would be normally," Pres. Trump says of Arpaio pardon.

This is idiotic on so many levels.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on August 28, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
I think 99% of pardons are disgusting. Crimes were committed and their time should be served. I don't have a left or right agenda here. I don't care who does the pardoning. Criminals should serve their sentences.

I agree. I would save pardons for cases where there is strong suspicion of innocence, or where a grave miscarriage of justice is being corrected.

The only ounce of credit I'll give Trump is that he didn't wait until the last few weeks of his term, which so many presidents do to avoid political consequences.
'

Out of trump's own mouth...

"In the middle of the hurricane, I assumed the ratings would be far higher than they would be normally," Pres. Trump says of Arpaio pardon.

This is idiotic on so many levels.

To quote the great Arthur Lange

Wahhhhh....
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 28, 2017, 08:05:42 PM
I think 99% of pardons are disgusting. Crimes were committed and their time should be served. I don't have a left or right agenda here. I don't care who does the pardoning. Criminals should serve their sentences.

I agree. I would save pardons for cases where there is strong suspicion of innocence, or where a grave miscarriage of justice is being corrected.

The only ounce of credit I'll give Trump is that he didn't wait until the last few weeks of his term, which so many presidents do to avoid political consequences.
'

Out of trump's own mouth...

"In the middle of the hurricane, I assumed the ratings would be far higher than they would be normally," Pres. Trump says of Arpaio pardon.

This is idiotic on so many levels.

It's a bizarre quote. I assume he was being criticized for announcing the pardon on a Friday afternoon to avoid the news cycle?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on August 28, 2017, 08:39:17 PM
So I am pretty sure I had a post in here that was deleted.   Yes it was in response to a question about the timing for the pardon.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 28, 2017, 09:04:27 PM
So I am pretty sure I had a post in here that was deleted.   Yes it was in response to a question about the timing for the pardon.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings)
Your post was deleted most likely because it was antagonistic to another poster and we are trying to keep things civil here.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on August 28, 2017, 09:51:23 PM
So I am pretty sure I had a post in here that was deleted.   Yes it was in response to a question about the timing for the pardon.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings)
Your post was deleted most likely because it was antagonistic to another poster and we are trying to keep things civil here.

And the post 4 posts up is civil?  Just trying to understand where the line is.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on August 29, 2017, 09:12:08 AM
More shockingly unsurprising things:

Texas reps are against federal aid until they directly need it:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/08/28/flashback_20_texas_gop_representatives_and_both_senators_voted_against_the.html

Will we even take basic steps to even try to weather storms like Harvey in the future? Apparently not.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/08/28/right_before_harvey_trump_nixed_a_rule_designed_to_protect_cities_from_flood.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 29, 2017, 07:00:45 PM
If anyone is interested the hat that President Trump wore while touring Houston (as well as at two Hurricane Harvey related  meetings in the past 4 days that the White House released pictures of) is available to purchase for only $40 on the President's campaign website.  That's right, our very own Embarrassment-In-Chief is using a national disaster to hawk his own merchandise.  Stay classy 45...
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 29, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
If anyone is interested the hat that President Trump wore while touring Houston (as well as at two Hurricane Harvey related  meetings in the past 4 days that the White House released pictures of) is available to purchase for only $40 on the President's campaign website.  That's right, our very own Embarrassment-In-Chief is using a national disaster to hawk his own merchandise.  Stay classy 45...

The actual hat, or a replica?

Tacky and insensitive or not, that's a pretty good price for Presidential memorabilia.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 29, 2017, 07:14:11 PM
If anyone is interested the hat that President Trump wore while touring Houston (as well as at two Hurricane Harvey related  meetings in the past 4 days that the White House released pictures of) is available to purchase for only $40 on the President's campaign website.  That's right, our very own Embarrassment-In-Chief is using a national disaster to hawk his own merchandise.  Stay classy 45...

The actual hat, or a replica?

Tacky and insensitive or not, that's a pretty good price for Presidential memorabilia.
A likely "made in China" replica hat not THE hat he wore.  It is the next generation of his ugly red "Make America Great Again" hats.

Edit: added "not THE hat he wore" for clarification.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on August 29, 2017, 07:19:56 PM
If anyone is interested the hat that President Trump wore while touring Houston (as well as at two Hurricane Harvey related  meetings in the past 4 days that the White House released pictures of) is available to purchase for only $40 on the President's campaign website.  That's right, our very own Embarrassment-In-Chief is using a national disaster to hawk his own merchandise.  Stay classy 45...

The actual hat, or a replica?

Tacky and insensitive or not, that's a pretty good price for Presidential memorabilia.
Here is the link to buy your very own:

https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/official-usa-45th-presidential-hat-white

How long before Mrs. Trump's "FLOTUS" hat will be available for purchase?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 29, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
If anyone is interested the hat that President Trump wore while touring Houston (as well as at two Hurricane Harvey related  meetings in the past 4 days that the White House released pictures of) is available to purchase for only $40 on the President's campaign website.  That's right, our very own Embarrassment-In-Chief is using a national disaster to hawk his own merchandise.  Stay classy 45...

The actual hat, or a replica?

Tacky and insensitive or not, that's a pretty good price for Presidential memorabilia.
Here is the link to buy your very own:

https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/official-usa-45th-presidential-hat-white

How long before Mrs. Trump's "FLOTUS" hat will be available for purchase?

Ah, just an overpriced generic hat.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 30, 2017, 06:51:18 AM
Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/08/29/michael-moore-sorry-liberals-trump-is-on-his-way-to-a-second-term-n2374494
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 30, 2017, 07:48:24 AM
Quote
Quote
Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 30, 2017, 07:52:54 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/progressives_facing_existential_pr_damage_from_charlottesville.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 30, 2017, 09:12:36 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/progressives_facing_existential_pr_damage_from_charlottesville.html

Not really related to "Trump And His Administration".
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on August 30, 2017, 09:17:04 AM
Quote
Quote
Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 30, 2017, 09:24:54 AM
Quote
Quote
Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.

Berkeley's mayor just asked to have them classified as a gang. The Washington Post just noted their violent attacks against innocent protestors. This isn't an "alt-right" thing.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 30, 2017, 09:16:41 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/progressives_facing_existential_pr_damage_from_charlottesville.html

Not really related to "Trump And His Administration".

LOL... Sorry, you are wrong again.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 30, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Trump winning MAGAnomics:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/08/u-s-gdp-second-quarter-growth-revised-up-to-3-percent/
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 30, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/progressives_facing_existential_pr_damage_from_charlottesville.html

Not really related to "Trump And His Administration".

LOL... Sorry, you are wrong again.
oh for the days when we still had the "ignore" function on this site. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 30, 2017, 09:55:51 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/progressives_facing_existential_pr_damage_from_charlottesville.html

Not really related to "Trump And His Administration".

LOL... Sorry, you are wrong again.
Actually he is right. The link is more about Charlottesville and the differences between the left and right. Please only post links pertaining to the president and his day to day issues
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: D Dub on August 30, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/progressives_facing_existential_pr_damage_from_charlottesville.html

Not really related to "Trump And His Administration".

LOL... Sorry, you are wrong again.
oh for the days when we still had the "ignore" function on this site.

Wow.   I just took the time to read that link.   No wonder...

For those unable to wade through that right-wing muck here is a nice quote to take home--

Quote
We haven't seen a single report of anyone asserting that troublemakers on the left and troublemakers on the right were "morally equivalent," specifically, by using that exact term.  Nonetheless, numerous pundits on the progressive axis have hurled exactly those charges about freely, especially at the president.

Add to that a purge underway to eliminate every last symbol, artifact, and memorial that might have some connection to the Confederacy and slavery, no matter how flimsy the link.  Out, [dang]ed spots!  Those named "Robert Lee" suddenly find themselves pariahs in the media world.

Confederates make me sick.

Do people get what that stands for? 

Hard core slavery.



Repulsive.
 


So. 

Back to moral superiority.   

How can a white-supremacist sympathizer hold any kind of high ground?   
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 31, 2017, 12:06:50 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: kraidstar on August 31, 2017, 12:24:13 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 31, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on August 31, 2017, 12:30:55 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 31, 2017, 12:35:36 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 31, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is a permanent victim in his own mind, it shows it's pathetic head every time he faces criticism or conflict. So yeah, it's happening more with Trump.

But President Obama alluded to the circumstances that created the financial crisis more than a few times. I don't think he called out President Bush by name, but I do think we all were expected to know what he meant.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 31, 2017, 01:02:38 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is a permanent victim in his own mind, it shows it's pathetic head every time he faces criticism or conflict. So yeah, it's happening more with Trump.

But President Obama alluded to the circumstances that created the financial crisis more than a few times. I don't think he called out President Bush by name, but I do think we all were expected to know what he meant.
I recall him referring to prior issues/policies enacted prior to his term without calling out Bush by name which does happen it seems in all presidencies on a minimal scale.  Trump seems to specifically call out Obama (and Bush on occasion) constantly when throwing blame off himself. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 31, 2017, 01:20:25 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is a permanent victim in his own mind, it shows it's pathetic head every time he faces criticism or conflict. So yeah, it's happening more with Trump.

But President Obama alluded to the circumstances that created the financial crisis more than a few times. I don't think he called out President Bush by name, but I do think we all were expected to know what he meant.
I recall him referring to prior issues/policies enacted prior to his term without calling out Bush by name which does happen it seems in all presidencies on a minimal scale.  Trump seems to specifically call out Obama (and Bush on occasion) constantly when throwing blame off himself. 


It is like a lot of things with Trump. It is something that a lot of people have KINDA done, but Trump takes it to a new degree of intensity, beyond the normal expected boundaries. Everything about the guy is hyperbolic, except for his humanity.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on August 31, 2017, 02:39:16 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 31, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?
Up until Osama Bin Laden was killed, I do remember, thereafter, not so much.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on August 31, 2017, 03:09:59 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?
Up until Osama Bin Laden was killed, I do remember, thereafter, not so much.
I recall him saying some issues carried over from the prior administration early in his administratino but not many references to Bush specifically.  Spoke more to policies that were the cause of some major issues that needed to be changed. 

Like I said, it could just be me but Trump really name drops like his personal mission is to be the anti-Obama or that Obama is the root of all evil.  Certainly doesn't take the approach that he's responsible for anything (unless something accidentally goes right that he can claim credit for whether he deserves any credit or not).
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on August 31, 2017, 03:32:37 PM
Like I said, it could just be me but Trump really name drops like his personal mission is to be the anti-Obama or that Obama is the root of all evil.  Certainly doesn't take the approach that he's responsible for anything (unless something accidentally goes right that he can claim credit for whether he deserves any credit or not).

No you're right, Trump's relationship with Obama is really weird. There are kind of 2 'relationships'. I'm going to summarize them: 

1) Barack Obama was the worst thing that could've happened to our country and any steps forward I take are a miracle considering how bad it was when I took office - Lyrics from 'Playin To The Base', from DJT Likes The PYT, 2017

2) This is a very bad situation. It was bad under Obama, and it is bad now. I'm trying to fix it, Obama couldn't fix it. It is very complicated. - Lyrics from 'I Want You To Want Me (Because That's A Thing With Me)', from The Donald (Laid Bare), 2017

Sometimes he's like...making common ground with common problems. Sometimes he's salting the earth.

But yeah, talks a lot about President Obama (and Hillary, and whoever was serving that pops into his head as a convenient target)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 31, 2017, 03:48:57 PM
Quote
Per WaPo:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/trump-and-manafort-get-big-reminder-that-pardon-power-does-not-extend-to-state-crimes/?utm_term=.9fe021f5226e)
Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.
agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"
"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions? 

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration?  I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?
Up until Osama Bin Laden was killed, I do remember, thereafter, not so much.
I recall him saying some issues carried over from the prior administration early in his administratino but not many references to Bush specifically.  Spoke more to policies that were the cause of some major issues that needed to be changed. 

Like I said, it could just be me but Trump really name drops like his personal mission is to be the anti-Obama or that Obama is the root of all evil.  Certainly doesn't take the approach that he's responsible for anything (unless something accidentally goes right that he can claim credit for whether he deserves any credit or not).

Attributing ongoing problems to prior admins is pretty commonplace but I've never seen any President primarily defend their own actions by claiming past Presidents did things that were worse, like Trump did with a prepackaged "whatabout" list of past pardons the other day. Probably because most felt like they needed to be able to defend their actions on their own terms instead of going into full overt moral relativism.

I've also never seen a President claim established, long-used metrics like the unemployment rate are fake and then embrace them after taking office, but that's not exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 31, 2017, 08:27:36 PM
Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

http://nypost.com/2017/08/31/trump-pledges-to-donate-1m-of-his-own-money-to-harvey-relief/
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 31, 2017, 08:33:59 PM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 31, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.

Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.

Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!

If he does it, it's good. Though, he has a long history of failed/shady "charitable donations."  Just look at the donations he made with his charity in the past with other people's money.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on August 31, 2017, 08:49:52 PM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.

Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!
I happen to think its commendable Trump donated money to the Hurricane victims. I also liked the fact he tried as hard as possible to see the rescue efforts without hindering them.

When it comes to times like this there is no left or right...there's only Americans and as Americans we look after our own in times of crisis.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on August 31, 2017, 08:50:37 PM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.

Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!

If he does it, it's good. Though, he has a long history of failed/shady "charitable donations."  Just look
Many donations he made with his charity in the past have been with other people's money.

Here we go again. Find fault, real or imagined.  Wet blankets, all.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jon on August 31, 2017, 08:56:09 PM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.

Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!

If he does it, it's good. Though, he has a long history of failed/shady "charitable donations."  Just look
Many donations he made with his charity in the past have been with other people's money.

Here we go again. Find fault, real or imagined.  Wet blankets, all.

And what's wrong with that? I said if he actually follows through, it's good. But what's wrong in pointing out facts that Trump has both promised to donate money and failed to do it or used other people's money to make donations in the past?

Given his track record, he should be questioned until he follows through.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 31, 2017, 11:16:36 PM
It's a commendable thing if he follows through on it. And if only because of the amount of attention I'm pretty sure he will.

But one of several reasons there's still cynicism about it is because the last time he announced a major donation, it was to veterans during a fundraiser he put on to compete against a Fox News debate because he was mad at them because of critical coverage of when he implied Megyn Kelly was menstruating during the previous debate.  Etc etc. Anyway,  he dodged the pledged veterans donation for 4 months and lied when asked about it (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/24/four-months-later-donald-trump-says-he-gave-1-million-to-veterans-group/?tid=graphics-story&utm_term=.d0b1d2800467). 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 01, 2017, 09:30:47 AM
Any comments about our President's tweet?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/01/donald-trump-james-comey-rigged-hillary-clinton-fbi-investigation/
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 01, 2017, 09:32:15 AM
Any comments about our President's tweet?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/01/donald-trump-james-comey-rigged-hillary-clinton-fbi-investigation/

Put it in the Comey thread, please.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 01, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!

Again, not relevant to DJT, not at all. I understand you're lamenting what you feel is a certain type of unwarranted criticism. But what am I supposed to do with this? Start a big debate in the Trump thread about the platforms of the Democratic party? This is how threads get locked.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Surferdad on September 01, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
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Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

I bet people will find ill with that even as they do all things he does.

Yeah, its really sad.  We have all the negative talk you can imagine on here.  What if we had an ALT LEFT thread?  What would they talk about?  The left has no constructive agenda.  Geez Louise!

If he does it, it's good. Though, he has a long history of failed/shady "charitable donations."  Just look
Many donations he made with his charity in the past have been with other people's money.

Here we go again. Find fault, real or imagined.  Wet blankets, all.

And what's wrong with that? I said if he actually follows through, it's good. But what's wrong in pointing out facts that Trump has both promised to donate money and failed to do it or used other people's money to make donations in the past?

Given his track record, he should be questioned until he follows through.
Correct.  The trump apologists want a level playing field.  What they should demanding is better behavior from our leader.  It's called building credibility and integrity.  Until he does that he should be scrutinized very closely.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 01, 2017, 01:29:30 PM
In the op-ed linked below Sen. McCain says that the President is often poorly informed and impulsive.  While I wholeheartedly agree I think the more important part is when he says that congress is not the Presidents subordinates and that congress should return to regular order.  He talks about both parties working together rather than the majority party just imposing their will while the minority party just tries to stop anything important from happening.  Regardless of whether it is Trump or Clinton or Obama in the White House or which pary controls congress, that is how our government is meant to and should work.

Link:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-mccain-its-time-congress-returns-to-regular-order/2017/08/31/f62a3e0c-8cfb-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html?utm_term=.4d27574dc599
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on September 01, 2017, 01:37:24 PM
Trump donates One Million dollars of his own money to hurricane cause:

http://nypost.com/2017/08/31/trump-pledges-to-donate-1m-of-his-own-money-to-harvey-relief/

NOPE! I actually commend DJT for doing this - will go on record as saying I support him on this and hope others follow his lead....

NOW...see that I've actually taken the time to acknowledge something that DJT did that we commendable. I hope that you can take the time to, when appropriate, call him out for inappropriateness.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 02, 2017, 07:33:44 AM
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Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.

Berkeley's mayor just asked to have them classified as a gang. The Washington Post just noted their violent attacks against innocent protestors. This isn't an "alt-right" thing.

FYI, this is what I was talking about.  Russian trolls and bots are pushing this narrative. 

https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d (https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 02, 2017, 07:42:49 AM
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Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.

Berkeley's mayor just asked to have them classified as a gang. The Washington Post just noted their violent attacks against innocent protestors. This isn't an "alt-right" thing.

FYI, this is what I was talking about.  Russian trolls and bots are pushing this narrative. 

https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d (https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d)

I apologize if I'm being dense, but regardless of whether those bots are bringing attention to the violence in Berkeley, it's not "fake news", right? The mayor really did say they should be classified as a gang, and the Washington Post independently attributed the violence to antifa?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 02, 2017, 07:47:20 AM
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Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.

Berkeley's mayor just asked to have them classified as a gang. The Washington Post just noted their violent attacks against innocent protestors. This isn't an "alt-right" thing.

FYI, this is what I was talking about.  Russian trolls and bots are pushing this narrative. 

https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d (https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d)

I apologize if I'm being dense, but regardless of whether those bots are bringing attention to the violence in Berkeley, it's not "fake news", right? The mayor really did say they should be classified as a gang, and the Washington Post independently attributed the violence to antifa?

Firstly, a non-accusatory question: did you read the entire article? Just helps me understand where we're starting a conversation from.

Secondly, my internet got knocked off for the last couple days, so I don't know what the Washington Post said -- can you link that article?  The WAPO headline I saw said anarhcists, which I felt was a much better descriptor.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 02, 2017, 10:53:12 AM
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Even liberal Slim admits the left narrative is not winning:

The Antifa movement will help Trump, mark my words.   That is not their intent but their use of violence will turn people.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antifa-groups-only-help-the-hateful-forces-they-claim-to-oppose/2017/08/29/d7c900b4-8cca-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-08-28/antifa-are-doing-violence-to-american-free-speech-values

They are a Godsend for Trump.   With the Left's lack of message right now, they are the message and sooner or later they will muck it up.   I am not saying the Right has a solid message right now, both parties are rudderless and without direction.   They have failed us.

Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.

Berkeley's mayor just asked to have them classified as a gang. The Washington Post just noted their violent attacks against innocent protestors. This isn't an "alt-right" thing.

FYI, this is what I was talking about.  Russian trolls and bots are pushing this narrative. 

https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d (https://medium.com/@RVAwonk/how-russian-alt-right-twitter-accounts-worked-together-to-skew-the-narrative-about-berkeley-f03a3d04ac5d)

I apologize if I'm being dense, but regardless of whether those bots are bringing attention to the violence in Berkeley, it's not "fake news", right? The mayor really did say they should be classified as a gang, and the Washington Post independently attributed the violence to antifa?

Firstly, a non-accusatory question: did you read the entire article? Just helps me understand where we're starting a conversation from.

Secondly, my internet got knocked off for the last couple days, so I don't know what the Washington Post said -- can you link that article?  The WAPO headline I saw said anarhcists, which I felt was a much better descriptor.

Here's the article I saw; I was actually shocked by the headline coming from the Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?tid=ss_mail-amp&utm_term=.4bbde87077b9

I read most of the article, but I read it quickly.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 02, 2017, 04:58:06 PM
Guys, antifa, McCain's comments and IP's incoherent ramblings are not Trump related. 

This is however...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/02/president-donald-trump-serves-meals-to-hurricane-victims-at-houston-relief-center/
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 02, 2017, 05:25:04 PM
Guys, antifa, McCain's comments and IP's incoherent ramblings are not Trump related. 

This is however...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/02/president-donald-trump-serves-meals-to-hurricane-victims-at-houston-relief-center/
McCain's comments were about the President so relavent to this thread.

Antifa was brought up based on your own post of Michael Moore's comments about the left. So you are right that that conversation should end.

Labeling IP's comments as incoherent is antagonistic and not allowed. Please don't do that again.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 02, 2017, 09:15:50 PM
So the Department of Justice has confirmed what we all kinda knew, that there was absolutely no evidence of President Obama wire tapping Trump Tower. That means one of a few other things were confirmed

Trump blatantly lied or
Trump was misinformed by someone and didn't investigate the claim or
Trump is paranoid and delusional.

None of those options are good for a President of the USA.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 02, 2017, 09:19:54 PM
So the Department of Justice has confirmed what we all kinda knew, that there was absolutely no evidence of President Obama wire tapping Trump Tower. That means one of a few other things were confirmed

Trump blatantly lied or
Trump was misinformed by someone and didn't investigate the claim or
Trump is paranoid and delusional.

None of those options are good for a President of the USA.

Regardless of which option or combo is correct, it definitely means he accused the last President of a felony with zero basis.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: SCeltic34 on September 02, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
Apparently going under the radar is the administrations decision to further undermine the ACA at the expense of those who benefit from it.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170831/NEWS/170839969/cms-slashes-aca-marketplace-education-and-outreach-funds (http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170831/NEWS/170839969/cms-slashes-aca-marketplace-education-and-outreach-funds)

Truly despicable.  Instead of working the stabilize the insurance market following the Republicans failure to repeal the ACA, this administration chooses to sabotage a law that literally saves American lives.  That includes Trump's base, whether they realize it or not.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 02, 2017, 09:45:51 PM
Apparently going under the radar is the administrations decision to further undermine the ACA at the expense of those who benefit from it.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170831/NEWS/170839969/cms-slashes-aca-marketplace-education-and-outreach-funds (http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170831/NEWS/170839969/cms-slashes-aca-marketplace-education-and-outreach-funds)

Truly despicable.  Instead of working the stabilize the insurance market following the Republicans failure to repeal the ACA, this administration chooses to sabotage a law that literally saves American lives.  That includes Trump's base, whether they realize it or not.


They are going to take that money and give it to the 1 percenters one way or another.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 02, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
So the Department of Justice has confirmed what we all kinda knew, that there was absolutely no evidence of President Obama wire tapping Trump Tower. That means one of a few other things were confirmed

Trump blatantly lied or
Trump was misinformed by someone and didn't investigate the claim or
Trump is paranoid and delusional.

None of those options are good for a President of the USA.


Of course. At the same time though, it was effective in redirecting media attention from his more serious issues and managed to instill more support in his base, and he will face zero repercussions for lying blatantly. Welcome to the new age of truth.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 02, 2017, 09:57:58 PM
So the Department of Justice has confirmed what we all kinda knew, that there was absolutely no evidence of President Obama wire tapping Trump Tower. That means one of a few other things were confirmed

Trump blatantly lied or
Trump was misinformed by someone and didn't investigate the claim or
Trump is paranoid and delusional.

None of those options are good for a President of the USA.


Of course. At the same time though, it was effective in redirecting media attention from his more serious issues and managed to instill more support in his base, and he will face zero repercussions for lying blatantly. Welcome to the new age of truth.
Yeah, didn't this happen right around the time that Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation? Then that story disappeared after the Donald's tweets about the wire-tapping.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 02, 2017, 09:59:36 PM
So the Department of Justice has confirmed what we all kinda knew, that there was absolutely no evidence of President Obama wire tapping Trump Tower. That means one of a few other things were confirmed

Trump blatantly lied or
Trump was misinformed by someone and didn't investigate the claim or
Trump is paranoid and delusional.

None of those options are good for a President of the USA.

Regardless of which option or combo is correct, it definitely means he accused the last President of a felony with zero basis.
Pretty despicable.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 02, 2017, 10:00:25 PM
So the Department of Justice has confirmed what we all kinda knew, that there was absolutely no evidence of President Obama wire tapping Trump Tower. That means one of a few other things were confirmed

Trump blatantly lied or
Trump was misinformed by someone and didn't investigate the claim or
Trump is paranoid and delusional.

None of those options are good for a President of the USA.


Of course. At the same time though, it was effective in redirecting media attention from his more serious issues and managed to instill more support in his base, and he will face zero repercussions for lying blatantly. Welcome to the new age of truth.
Alternative facts lead to an alternative reality.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 03, 2017, 09:21:44 AM
Why would all these people want to work for Trump.  He is so bad.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/09/02/trump-just-announced-dozens-of-white-house-appointments--heres-the-full-list-n2376599
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 03, 2017, 09:40:31 AM
President Trump declares National Day of Prayer. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/01/remarks-president-trump-signing-day-prayer-proclamation
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jon on September 03, 2017, 10:43:17 AM
President Trump declares National Day of Prayer. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/01/remarks-president-trump-signing-day-prayer-proclamation

Does this mean he'll try to scale back to number of people (or groups of people) he'll insult on Twitter today?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 03, 2017, 10:48:04 AM
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Antifa as a narrative is being pushed by the alt-right with the aid of Russian bots.  It's up to you if you want to help an enemy state with their agenda or not, but the best thing you could do is ignore "antifa".  They haven't earned the attention they're getting.

No it is not USNEWS is not a right wing paper and that is one of the sources I posted.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/us-news-world-report/

Center Left


If anything, I think mainstream CNN and MSNBC have suppressed negative news on Antifa.  I do not like the Neo Nazis and I do not like Antifa.   Both use violence for their purposes and you need to realize that.   Is one inherently more moral than the other, I would say "yes" until a side resorts to violence   I like print media and I like to read all sides of the media because the answer always lies someone in the middle.  Both sides have their thugs.   But I will be honest I look down on anyone who uses violence to win an argument.   I am very good at violence as man, being a ex-solder.  Violence is used to suppress Free Speech or assert power over another human being.   What the Neo nazis do is wrong and what Antifa does to stop them is wrong.  They won't just stop with them.  I think it is great they are standing up to racists but the moment they resort to violence they lose their moral ground are an insult to people really there to protest.   I can discern the difference between a protest and thuggish riot.   Why can't you?

As for this enemy state stuff, I volunteered to fight in the First Gulf war, what war did you volunteer to fight in, Saltlover?   Are you a veteran?   You may be, but I bet not as most people do not serve in the military only 7.3 of Americans have served.   If you did thanks for your service.  On a curious note,  one of my tours of duty was to train to plug the Fulda gap to stop the Russians if they ever invaded western Europe in WW3.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/fuldagap.aspx

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-03-01/news/mn-6926_1_fulda-gap

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-lovely-little-town-that-would-have-been-absolutely-screwed-by-world-war-iii-933229e2ea52

I doubt you would know this because most are ignorant of the significance of the Fulda Gap.  So spare me your comments on the enemy states.   I have faced them in combat amd trained to meet them in battle.   What exactly have you done against these Enemy States again?

Also, I think it is laughable that you're telling me the best way to handle things.   I trust your expertise on the salary cap and your the best there is here about that.   I respect you in that regard.   But to tell a person how to think or act is inherently unAmerican.  I am an independent politically, I do not belong to either party but a surefire way to not get my vote is to tell me how I should think or act.

I think people treated Pres. Obama unfairly because of his race at times and cringed when Congressman Joe Wilson shouted you lie to Pres. Obama.   I also cringe sometimes at the way Pres. Trump is treated by the media and folks like you.   You see, I respect the office of the president and want to see whoever is in office well because I want America to do well.   I had to serve Pres. Clinton and Pres. Bush Sr. when I was in the service and I served both to my best capability.  I vote for who I think am best and I think both political parties and movements have failed America because they are so polarized that they can't get anything done and practice obstruction.   

 I was a senior in college when I volunteered to go to war and I did not have to go.I realize that I must be a dinosaur in this modern age.   I love America.   I want to see whoever is in office do well.   Two wrongs do not make a right!   I guess it is because my surrogate father was my grandfather and I grew up with his values and he fought in World War 2.

BTW, TP for all the cap and salary work you do for us here, Saltlover.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 03, 2017, 11:27:54 AM
If people want to discuss Antifa, please open another thread and discuss it there. Please stay on subject of President Trump and his administration.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 03, 2017, 11:33:10 AM
President Trump declares National Day of Prayer. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/01/remarks-president-trump-signing-day-prayer-proclamation
In this post Trump says that he didn't know when a National Day of Prayer was but it was a long time coming. Apparently he didn't know or observe National Day of Prayer which is May 4th of every year.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on September 03, 2017, 11:35:48 AM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 03, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
I agree. If he has done anything right it has been the handling of this terrible disaster. Now let's hope Congress doesn't screw him over by trying to attach a controversial bill like the debt ceiling legislation to the disaster relief legislation. That could hold things up and those people in Texas deserves that money ASAP.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 03, 2017, 01:51:45 PM
Quote
If people want to discuss Antifa, please open another thread and discuss it there. Please stay on subject of President Trump and his administration.

Understood, sorry, I was replying to a comment earlier in thread.


Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 03, 2017, 01:56:15 PM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
I agree. If he has done anything right it has been the handling of this terrible disaster. Now let's hope Congress doesn't screw him over by trying to attach a controversial bill like the debt ceiling legislation to the disaster relief legislation. That could hold things up and those people in Texas deserves that money ASAP.

Agreed: pass a clean relief bill. No social issues, no wall, no debt ceiling, no pork. Just money aimed at relief efforts.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 03, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
I agree. If he has done anything right it has been the handling of this terrible disaster. Now let's hope Congress doesn't screw him over by trying to attach a controversial bill like the debt ceiling legislation to the disaster relief legislation. That could hold things up and those people in Texas deserves that money ASAP.

Agreed: pass a clean relief bill. No social issues, no wall, no debt ceiling, no pork. Just money aimed at relief efforts.
agreed.  that's how Congress should operate.  sadly, it's a rarity when it does.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on September 03, 2017, 05:18:14 PM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
I agree. If he has done anything right it has been the handling of this terrible disaster. Now let's hope Congress doesn't screw him over by trying to attach a controversial bill like the debt ceiling legislation to the disaster relief legislation. That could hold things up and those people in Texas deserves that money ASAP.

Agreed: pass a clean relief bill. No social issues, no wall, no debt ceiling, no pork. Just money aimed at relief efforts.

That would be nice. And i'd love to see the gop texas congressman and senators as well as pence speak out against such relief, just to maintain their own consistency.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on September 03, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
I agree. If he has done anything right it has been the handling of this terrible disaster. Now let's hope Congress doesn't screw him over by trying to attach a controversial bill like the debt ceiling legislation to the disaster relief legislation. That could hold things up and those people in Texas deserves that money ASAP.

Agreed: pass a clean relief bill. No social issues, no wall, no debt ceiling, no pork. Just money aimed at relief efforts.

That would be nice. And i'd love to see the gop texas congressman and senators as well as pence speak out against such relief, just to maintain their own consistency.

Oh, and while we are dreaming, why dont we hope Trump appoints someone with actual environmental knowledge to the EPA and gets some moderate funding of the EPA to help with the cleanup of all the contaminated superfund sites so we dont have to deal with a couple generations of increased developmental delay and cancer. And maybe some eiple with climatilogy and global warming expertise to head our epa, nasa, etc, to betterpredict, understand, and plan for future storms to maybe help thembe less destructive and expensive.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Surferdad on September 03, 2017, 06:05:29 PM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed seeing President Trump yesterday in Texas. I don't believe any of it was staged.

He seems to REALLY be trying.

I don't ever want to be the one who criticizes him when he does bad, but stay silent when he does good.

Yes - what he did in Texas YESTERDAY can be argued as "Well, he is SUPPOSED to do this." This is TRUE. But as we have all seen his presidency has been trying - to say the least.

Even though I did not vote for the man it would be treasonous for me to want to see him fail.
I agree. If he has done anything right it has been the handling of this terrible disaster. Now let's hope Congress doesn't screw him over by trying to attach a controversial bill like the debt ceiling legislation to the disaster relief legislation. That could hold things up and those people in Texas deserves that money ASAP.

Agreed: pass a clean relief bill. No social issues, no wall, no debt ceiling, no pork. Just money aimed at relief efforts.

That would be nice. And i'd love to see the gop texas congressman and senators as well as pence speak out against such relief, just to maintain their own consistency.

Oh, and while we are dreaming, why dont we hope Trump appoints someone with actual environmental knowledge to the EPA and gets some moderate funding of the EPA to help with the cleanup of all the contaminated superfund sites so we dont have to deal with a couple generations of increased developmental delay and cancer. And maybe some eiple with climatilogy and global warming expertise to head our epa, nasa, etc, to betterpredict, understand, and plan for future storms to maybe help thembe less destructive and expensive.
Well he already appointed Pruitt to EPA so it's too late.   :(  and he recently appointed a non-scientist climate-denier to head NASA, the largest organization dedicated to climate change, in the face of Harvey no less.  This is insane.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on September 03, 2017, 11:54:03 PM
And now he is ending DACA, with their average age of 26, 91% employment, and 0% criminal record. But I thought all the immigration stuff was just about keeping dangerous moochers out of the country? Is there some other motivation?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 04, 2017, 01:45:23 AM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: trickybilly on September 04, 2017, 02:35:13 AM
Unbelievable, now he's telling LeBron that only losers play in Cleveland.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 04, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.

This is not about Trump  Its about Obama.

Attention: Mods
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 04, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.

This is not about Trump  Its about Obama.

Attention: Mods

It's a message that Trump received, and has showed off.

Don't be petty.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 04, 2017, 10:21:01 PM
Our President at work:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/03/president-trump-responds-to-dprk-nuclear-test-by-confronting-dprk-economic-enabler-china/#more-138118
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 04, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
Little talked about is Trump's decision to get rid of DACA. Both the left and many on the right are not only calling it a bad decision and wrong, but also things like mean-spirited and immoral.

These kids shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parents and the program has made a ton of successful people that have added tax dollars and work accomplishments to this country.

After the pardon, the Muslim ban, comments about Charlottesville, and insulting tone and comments he has aimed at the Mexican president and his people, I really am convinced he is a bigot and racist.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on September 04, 2017, 11:38:28 PM
Little talked about is Trump's decision to get rid of DACA. Both the left and many on the right are not only calling it a bad decision and wrong, but also things like mean-spirited and immoral.

These kids shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parents and the program has made a ton of successful people that have added tax dollars and work accomplishments to this country.

After the pardon, the Muslim ban, comments about Charlottesville, and insulting tone and comments he has aimed at the Mexican president and his people, I really am convinced he is a bigot and racist.

I hate it, and I feel like it's just posturing so that he can tell his base he did his part to end the DACA, while Congress swoops in and saves it anyway. Trump gets the best of both worlds, and we use young people who put the ultimate trust in the US Government as pawns.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: GratefulCs on September 04, 2017, 11:57:07 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.

This is not about Trump  Its about Obama.

Attention: Mods
come on man

it's a direct tie in to the trump thread
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 05, 2017, 12:06:18 AM
Little talked about is Trump's decision to get rid of DACA. Both the left and many on the right are not only calling it a bad decision and wrong, but also things like mean-spirited and immoral.

These kids shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parents and the program has made a ton of successful people that have added tax dollars and work accomplishments to this country.

After the pardon, the Muslim ban, comments about Charlottesville, and insulting tone and comments he has aimed at the Mexican president and his people, I really am convinced he is a bigot and racist.

I hate it, and I feel like it's just posturing so that he can tell his base he did his part to end the DACA, while Congress swoops in and saves it anyway. Trump gets the best of both worlds, and we use young people who put the ultimate trust in the US Government as pawns.

How would Congress save it? They're not going to be able to override a veto.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 05, 2017, 02:33:15 PM
Have you seen Jeff Sessions announcement on DACA? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uclSfTQilX8
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 05, 2017, 02:45:08 PM
Little talked about is Trump's decision to get rid of DACA. Both the left and many on the right are not only calling it a bad decision and wrong, but also things like mean-spirited and immoral.

These kids shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parents and the program has made a ton of successful people that have added tax dollars and work accomplishments to this country.

After the pardon, the Muslim ban, comments about Charlottesville, and insulting tone and comments he has aimed at the Mexican president and his people, I really am convinced he is a bigot and racist.

I hate it, and I feel like it's just posturing so that he can tell his base he did his part to end the DACA, while Congress swoops in and saves it anyway. Trump gets the best of both worlds, and we use young people who put the ultimate trust in the US Government as pawns.

How would Congress save it? They're not going to be able to override a veto.

No way in heck should he veto it.  On the very off-chance Congress passes something, he should sign it and do victory laps saying his decision to end DACA finally brought Congress to the table to fix a problem they haven't been able to solve for decades.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: kozlodoev on September 05, 2017, 02:55:22 PM
Little talked about is Trump's decision to get rid of DACA. Both the left and many on the right are not only calling it a bad decision and wrong, but also things like mean-spirited and immoral.

These kids shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parents and the program has made a ton of successful people that have added tax dollars and work accomplishments to this country.

After the pardon, the Muslim ban, comments about Charlottesville, and insulting tone and comments he has aimed at the Mexican president and his people, I really am convinced he is a bigot and racist.

I hate it, and I feel like it's just posturing so that he can tell his base he did his part to end the DACA, while Congress swoops in and saves it anyway. Trump gets the best of both worlds, and we use young people who put the ultimate trust in the US Government as pawns.
Well, the Congress did vote down similar legislation before Obama passed DACA as executive action, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 05, 2017, 03:03:50 PM
I know it wouldn't be a well received move from his base, but if Trump did what Reagan did and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants that can prove they were in the country say before 2014, he could tie to the bill a larger fiscal allotment to border security including enough for his wall.

Republicans idolize Reagan(for good reason, he was a darn good president). If he could give amnesty to illegals why can't the current Republicans? It would get Democratic support and Trump looks like a more pragmatic, reach across the aisle type guy. Also, DACA wouldn't be needed.

Don't see Trump or the Republicans doing this but I think it would be a great political move on Trump's part.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Surferdad on September 05, 2017, 03:20:51 PM
I know it wouldn't be a well received move from his base, but if Trump did what Reagan did and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants that can prove they were in the country say before 2014, he could tie to the bill a larger fiscal allotment to border security including enough for his wall.

Republicans idolize Reagan(for good reason, he was a darn good president). If he could give amnesty to illegals why can't the current Republicans? It would get Democratic support and Trump looks like a more pragmatic, reach across the aisle type guy. Also, DACA wouldn't be needed.

Don't see Trump or the Republicans doing this but I think it would be a great political move on Trump's part.
There were lots of great political moves Trump could have made but he passed on every one of them, often doing the exact opposite of what would have made political sense.

I don't have a link, but some political observers suggest that he is now "circling the wagons" around his base as his only reasonable course of survival.  He has alienating everyone else and Mueller's evidence pile continues to grow.  He knows his base will never leave him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 05, 2017, 03:42:51 PM
I know it wouldn't be a well received move from his base, but if Trump did what Reagan did and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants that can prove they were in the country say before 2014, he could tie to the bill a larger fiscal allotment to border security including enough for his wall.

Republicans idolize Reagan(for good reason, he was a darn good president). If he could give amnesty to illegals why can't the current Republicans? It would get Democratic support and Trump looks like a more pragmatic, reach across the aisle type guy. Also, DACA wouldn't be needed.

Don't see Trump or the Republicans doing this but I think it would be a great political move on Trump's part.

As pure politics, would it be?

He'd lose a portion of his base, and I doubt he'd pick up a single Hillary voter.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 05, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
I know it wouldn't be a well received move from his base, but if Trump did what Reagan did and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants that can prove they were in the country say before 2014, he could tie to the bill a larger fiscal allotment to border security including enough for his wall.

Republicans idolize Reagan(for good reason, he was a darn good president). If he could give amnesty to illegals why can't the current Republicans? It would get Democratic support and Trump looks like a more pragmatic, reach across the aisle type guy. Also, DACA wouldn't be needed.

Don't see Trump or the Republicans doing this but I think it would be a great political move on Trump's part.

As pure politics, would it be?

He'd lose a portion of his base, and I doubt he'd pick up a single Hillary voter.

If the base is mostly comprised of the angry white male, Hillary-hating, political correctness-despising, Muslim wary, gun-loving.... then he won't lose a vote there.  He would gain back the 10% or so who have lost faith in him since his inauguration, AND he'd get back in the ballgame with Republican moderates and Independent right-leaners.  And for others, might signify a first step in the right (correct) direction - bipartisanship, unity, anti-divisiveness.   Yes, I think Nick's idea would be a great political move.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 05, 2017, 04:20:52 PM
I know it wouldn't be a well received move from his base, but if Trump did what Reagan did and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants that can prove they were in the country say before 2014, he could tie to the bill a larger fiscal allotment to border security including enough for his wall.

Republicans idolize Reagan(for good reason, he was a darn good president). If he could give amnesty to illegals why can't the current Republicans? It would get Democratic support and Trump looks like a more pragmatic, reach across the aisle type guy. Also, DACA wouldn't be needed.

Don't see Trump or the Republicans doing this but I think it would be a great political move on Trump's part.

As pure politics, would it be?

He'd lose a portion of his base, and I doubt he'd pick up a single Hillary voter.
As long as the wall got built, I think he would retain most of his base. What he might solidify is the moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats that he got to vote for him in the last election. He would also see an uptick in Latino voters who's numbers are only getting larger every year.

So yeah, I think it would be a good political move.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on September 05, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.

This is not about Trump  Its about Obama.

Attention: Mods

It's a message that Trump received, and has showed off.

Don't be petty.
Absolutely. Love. This.  There's so much hatred for the previous administration....and I don't know why.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 05, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
I know it wouldn't be a well received move from his base, but if Trump did what Reagan did and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants that can prove they were in the country say before 2014, he could tie to the bill a larger fiscal allotment to border security including enough for his wall.

Republicans idolize Reagan(for good reason, he was a darn good president). If he could give amnesty to illegals why can't the current Republicans? It would get Democratic support and Trump looks like a more pragmatic, reach across the aisle type guy. Also, DACA wouldn't be needed.

Don't see Trump or the Republicans doing this but I think it would be a great political move on Trump's part.

As pure politics, would it be?

He'd lose a portion of his base, and I doubt he'd pick up a single Hillary voter.
As long as the wall got built, I think he would retain most of his base. What he might solidify is the moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats that he got to vote for him in the last election. He would also see an uptick in Latino voters who's numbers are only getting larger every year.

So yeah, I think it would be a good political move.

I think the WALL insistence is a political miscalculation.  First, I think there are Trump devotees who will not leave him no matter what.  But for the rest of his supporters I believe they can be appeased on this issue by Trump touting the truth about the reduction in border crossings since his inauguration.   It is actual, real news -- and actual evidence of a positive Trump-effect.  And I don't think Trump has made anywhere near enough of it.  His bad-ass arrogance is paying some dividends even though it's potentially costly in other contexts.  Unfortunately, Trump's approach is also keeping out legal workers needed for agricultural field work.   There are a growing number of republicans concerned about "guest workers" -- wanting to assure that this program is sufficient to meet a substantial need.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 05, 2017, 05:11:20 PM
Just a bit of a history lesson on this topic (Immigration Reform):

From July 1, 2014:
Quote
President Obama officially announced on Monday immigration reform’s death. “I believe Speaker Boehner when he says he wants to pass an immigration bill,” Obama said from the White House. “But last week, he informed me that Republicans will continue to block a vote on immigration reform at least for the remainder of this year.” As a result, he added, the Obama administration will take executive action (wherever it can) on immigration policy. Boehner responded, "In our conversation last week, I told the president what I have been telling him for months: the American people and their elected officials don't trust him to enforce the law as written. Until that changes, it is going to be difficult to make progress on this issue.” But this argument is tough to defend since if this were a sincere reason for the House GOP, they could simply write the law in such a way that it wouldn’t take effect until Jan. 20, 2017, right?

In summary, republican controlled congress (house and senate) refuse to vote on any immigration bill and then complain when Obama takes executive action to address a pending crisis, offering only the lame excuse that they don't believe Obama will enforce the law.

Now Trump rescinds the executive order essentially forcing Congress to pass something and republican congress doesn't like that either.  Point being, Obama didn't just set out to write this order.  He tried to work with congress for years to pass something but they wouldn't.  Now Trump has cornered them and they don't like it any more than when Obama signed his order.  They could have passed something at any time after Obama signed the order but they did not.  They just went on being up and arms over Obama actually doing something.

I hope they are more successful with immigration than they were with health care.  This is going to be one hot potato in 6 months if they don't.  I am actually OK with this move by Trump, at least for now.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 05, 2017, 05:17:22 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.

This is not about Trump  Its about Obama.

Attention: Mods

It's a message that Trump received, and has showed off.

Don't be petty.
Absolutely. Love. This.  There's so much hatred for the previous administration....and I don't know why.

You could read the book:  The Worst President in History by Matt Margolis and  Mark Noonan.

But again for the Obama lovers, please start an Obama thread.  This is a Trump thread.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 05, 2017, 05:20:46 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/904559659918471168

President Obama's message to Donald Trump. I miss President Obama.

This is not about Trump  Its about Obama.

Attention: Mods

It's a message that Trump received, and has showed off.

Don't be petty.
Absolutely. Love. This.  There's so much hatred for the previous administration....and I don't know why.

You could read the book:  The Worst President in History by Matt Margolis and  Mark Noonan.

But again for the Obama lovers, please start an Obama thread.  This is a Trump thread.

How about leaving the moderating to the staff here, chief.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on September 06, 2017, 10:44:58 AM
More False claims from DJT:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.
6:47 AM - Sep 6, 2017

Once again using false claims to pitch a narrative that suits his base.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/)

his statement is completely false. According to 2015 data from the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), taxation accounted for 26.4 percent of the United States’ gross domestic product (GDP). This is lower than the average for the 35 nations in the OECD (34.3 percent) and in some cases far lower than comparable countries (45.5 percent in France, for instance).

In April 2016, the Pew Research Center concluded that U.S. tax bills are below the average for developed nations by examining OECD data dating back to 2001. They calculated “national-level income taxes plus mandatory social-insurance contributions as a percentage of gross income” for four different family types: a single working parent, a single working person without children, a married couple with two children where both parents work and a married couple with two children where only one parents works. In all cases, the U.S. was below the average.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a public policy think tank, also rated Trump’s claim was false: “Notwithstanding our high corporate tax rate, the U.S. is not close to being the highest-taxed country in the world.”

I'm all for lower taxes BUT just don't lie about it....smh.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 06, 2017, 12:00:12 PM
Sadly, one third of the country will believe whatever claims he makes no matter how believable those claims are. When politicians make claims, I usually go do some research, or have already read some news about the claim, before making my mind up on the veracity of the claim.

Have done this ever since Clinton's lies about his affair. Can't believe that in today's era of instant information availability that people don't do the same.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 06, 2017, 12:57:05 PM
More False claims from DJT:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.
6:47 AM - Sep 6, 2017

Once again using false claims to pitch a narrative that suits his base.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/)

his statement is completely false. According to 2015 data from the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), taxation accounted for 26.4 percent of the United States’ gross domestic product (GDP). This is lower than the average for the 35 nations in the OECD (34.3 percent) and in some cases far lower than comparable countries (45.5 percent in France, for instance).

In April 2016, the Pew Research Center concluded that U.S. tax bills are below the average for developed nations by examining OECD data dating back to 2001. They calculated “national-level income taxes plus mandatory social-insurance contributions as a percentage of gross income” for four different family types: a single working parent, a single working person without children, a married couple with two children where both parents work and a married couple with two children where only one parents works. In all cases, the U.S. was below the average.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a public policy think tank, also rated Trump’s claim was false: “Notwithstanding our high corporate tax rate, the U.S. is not close to being the highest-taxed country in the world.”

I'm all for lower taxes BUT just don't lie about it....smh.

Sounds like he left out the word "corporate".
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 06, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
Sadly, one third of the country will believe whatever claims he makes no matter how believable those claims are. When politicians make claims, I usually go do some research, or have already read some news about the claim, before making my mind up on the veracity of the claim.

Have done this ever since Clinton's lies about his affair. Can't believe that in today's era of instant information availability that people don't do the same.

It wouldn't matter, they wouldn't believe it. There are no more facts anymore, that's what Trump's accomplished here. He didn't build the post-facts cake, but he did put the frosting on it.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 06, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
More False claims from DJT:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.
6:47 AM - Sep 6, 2017

Once again using false claims to pitch a narrative that suits his base.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/)

his statement is completely false. According to 2015 data from the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), taxation accounted for 26.4 percent of the United States’ gross domestic product (GDP). This is lower than the average for the 35 nations in the OECD (34.3 percent) and in some cases far lower than comparable countries (45.5 percent in France, for instance).

In April 2016, the Pew Research Center concluded that U.S. tax bills are below the average for developed nations by examining OECD data dating back to 2001. They calculated “national-level income taxes plus mandatory social-insurance contributions as a percentage of gross income” for four different family types: a single working parent, a single working person without children, a married couple with two children where both parents work and a married couple with two children where only one parents works. In all cases, the U.S. was below the average.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a public policy think tank, also rated Trump’s claim was false: “Notwithstanding our high corporate tax rate, the U.S. is not close to being the highest-taxed country in the world.”

I'm all for lower taxes BUT just don't lie about it....smh.

Sounds like he left out the word "corporate".

Are you assuming that Trump knew the difference?  I wouldn't count on it.  After shooting off his mouth yet again, I am sure someone will disabuse him, but at the time he Tweeted, he probably thought it was true.  And if he was just sloppy (or careless like Hilary was with her emails), then even worse for a president.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 06, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
More False claims from DJT:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.
6:47 AM - Sep 6, 2017

Once again using false claims to pitch a narrative that suits his base.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-us-not-highest-taxed-nation-in-world/)

his statement is completely false. According to 2015 data from the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), taxation accounted for 26.4 percent of the United States’ gross domestic product (GDP). This is lower than the average for the 35 nations in the OECD (34.3 percent) and in some cases far lower than comparable countries (45.5 percent in France, for instance).

In April 2016, the Pew Research Center concluded that U.S. tax bills are below the average for developed nations by examining OECD data dating back to 2001. They calculated “national-level income taxes plus mandatory social-insurance contributions as a percentage of gross income” for four different family types: a single working parent, a single working person without children, a married couple with two children where both parents work and a married couple with two children where only one parents works. In all cases, the U.S. was below the average.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a public policy think tank, also rated Trump’s claim was false: “Notwithstanding our high corporate tax rate, the U.S. is not close to being the highest-taxed country in the world.”

I'm all for lower taxes BUT just don't lie about it....smh.

Sounds like he left out the word "corporate".

Are you assuming that Trump knew the difference?  I wouldn't count on it.  After shooting off his mouth yet again, I am sure someone will disabuse him, but at the time he Tweeted, he probably thought it was true.  And if he was just sloppy (or careless like Hilary was with her emails), then even worse for a president.

I'm sure Trump knows that the corporate rate is among the highest in the world.  I also think there is a pretty fair chance that he purposely left out "corporate" in order to sensationalize it.   Helps get his message further across about tax reform.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 06, 2017, 04:01:02 PM
Are you assuming that Trump knew the difference?  I wouldn't count on it.  After shooting off his mouth yet again, I am sure someone will disabuse him, but at the time he Tweeted, he probably thought it was true.  And if he was just sloppy (or careless like Hilary was with her emails), then even worse for a president.

I'm sure Trump knows that the corporate rate is among the highest in the world.  I also think there is a pretty fair chance that he purposely left out "corporate" in order to sensationalize it.   Helps get his message further across about tax reform.

I am saying Trump thought Americans are the highest taxed in the world in general.  In other words, exactly what he said in the Tweet.  You are suggesting he purposely sent out this "false news" Tweet with the intent all along to just say "sorry, I meant Corporate"?  Again, not sure which is worse.  I am betting Trump didn't know that general taxes in USA are lower than average as compared to the rest of the developed world.

This aside, the main plan is to cut taxes (Corporate and General), increase defense spending, increase infrastructure spending and this will lead to balancing the budget.  I guess the 30% believe that too.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 06, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
Are you assuming that Trump knew the difference?  I wouldn't count on it.  After shooting off his mouth yet again, I am sure someone will disabuse him, but at the time he Tweeted, he probably thought it was true.  And if he was just sloppy (or careless like Hilary was with her emails), then even worse for a president.

I'm sure Trump knows that the corporate rate is among the highest in the world.  I also think there is a pretty fair chance that he purposely left out "corporate" in order to sensationalize it.   Helps get his message further across about tax reform.

I am saying Trump thought Americans are the highest taxed in the world in general.  In other words, exactly what he said in the Tweet.  You are suggesting he purposely sent out this "false news" Tweet with the intent all along to just say "sorry, I meant Corporate"?  Again, not sure which is worse.  I am betting Trump didn't know that general taxes in USA are lower than average as compared to the rest of the developed world.

This aside, the main plan is to cut taxes (Corporate and General), increase defense spending, increase infrastructure spending and this will lead to balancing the budget.  I guess the 30% believe that too.

This is one of Trump's most frequent bogus claims, and like 1 time in 100 he'll actually correctly specify that it's the corporate tax rate.

Which suggests either he does know better or the person programming the Teleprompter does.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on September 06, 2017, 06:00:48 PM
Are you assuming that Trump knew the difference?  I wouldn't count on it.  After shooting off his mouth yet again, I am sure someone will disabuse him, but at the time he Tweeted, he probably thought it was true.  And if he was just sloppy (or careless like Hilary was with her emails), then even worse for a president.

I'm sure Trump knows that the corporate rate is among the highest in the world.  I also think there is a pretty fair chance that he purposely left out "corporate" in order to sensationalize it.   Helps get his message further across about tax reform.

I am saying Trump thought Americans are the highest taxed in the world in general.  In other words, exactly what he said in the Tweet.  You are suggesting he purposely sent out this "false news" Tweet with the intent all along to just say "sorry, I meant Corporate"?  Again, not sure which is worse.  I am betting Trump didn't know that general taxes in USA are lower than average as compared to the rest of the developed world.

This aside, the main plan is to cut taxes (Corporate and General), increase defense spending, increase infrastructure spending and this will lead to balancing the budget.  I guess the 30% believe that too.

This is one of Trump's most frequent bogus claims, and like 1 time in 100 he'll actually correctly specify that it's the corporate tax rate.

Which suggests either he does know better or the person programming the Teleprompter does.


And, even beyond corporate tax rate, is actually looking at effective tax rate, which, due to exceptions, etc, puts the US above average, but not the highest, much more in line with other nations. Moving further, looking at corporate tax as ontribution to total gdp, the US is below average!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 06, 2017, 07:48:41 PM
The Donald cuts a deal with Democrats, Schumer, Peolosi...

Perhaps DJT is thinking how effective LBJ's political style was - and is attempting to form a similar bipartisan coalition to get things done like tax reform, healthcare, the wall, infrastructure, etc...DJT would be crazy like a fox if he did...

Remember your history, LBJ got civil rights, voting rights, medicare, medicaid, overhaul immigration, food stamps, aid to education,  etc, all in 2 years!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-meeting-with-democrats-deal/index.html

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 06, 2017, 08:34:27 PM
The Donald cuts a deal with Democrats, Schumer, Peolosi...

Perhaps DJT is thinking how effective LBJ's political style was - and is attempting to form a similar bipartisan coalition to get things done like tax reform, healthcare, the wall, infrastructure, etc...DJT would be crazy like a fox if he did...

Remember your history, LBJ got civil rights, voting rights, medicare, medicaid, overhaul immigration, food stamps, aid to education,  etc, all in 2 years!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-meeting-with-democrats-deal/index.html
Or maybe he is starting to see just how dysfunctional Congressional Republicans are and decided to cut the deals Congressional Republicans should be making. Considering just how...uninformed, egotistical, narcissistic and uneducated Trump appears, I seriously doubt he knows anything about LBJ and how LBJ did things.

As for the bill...why couldn't Congress just pass a clean humanitarian bill and send a clean $8 billion relief bill through.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on September 07, 2017, 12:28:05 PM
The Donald cuts a deal with Democrats, Schumer, Peolosi...

Perhaps DJT is thinking how effective LBJ's political style was - and is attempting to form a similar bipartisan coalition to get things done like tax reform, healthcare, the wall, infrastructure, etc...DJT would be crazy like a fox if he did...

Remember your history, LBJ got civil rights, voting rights, medicare, medicaid, overhaul immigration, food stamps, aid to education,  etc, all in 2 years!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-meeting-with-democrats-deal/index.html

finally happy to see that something is getting done. As I stated before, I will praise DJT when he does something great and will criticize when necessary. Now, when I looked at my FoxNews app, somehow they didn't cover it. I won't go as far as saying that Fox News didn't cover it on TV, but I didn't see it on the app. Now can someone please explain why not ???

BTW, Greenbeck, you are starting to impress me with your news source. I'm not saying that CNN is the best but IMO, sure beats those other internet news sources (TownHall, Breithbart, etc) that you have posted before. I'll take it as a ray of light for you! Kudos to you!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 08, 2017, 01:05:15 AM
Sadly, one third of the country will believe whatever claims he makes no matter how believable those claims are. When politicians make claims, I usually go do some research, or have already read some news about the claim, before making my mind up on the veracity of the claim.

Have done this ever since Clinton's lies about his affair. Can't believe that in today's era of instant information availability that people don't do the same.

It wouldn't matter, they wouldn't believe it. There are no more facts anymore, that's what Trump's accomplished here. He didn't build the post-facts cake, but he did put the frosting on it.

And he knows frosting.  He has the best frosting.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: matteo on September 08, 2017, 01:43:44 AM
The Donald cuts a deal with Democrats, Schumer, Peolosi...

Perhaps DJT is thinking how effective LBJ's political style was - and is attempting to form a similar bipartisan coalition to get things done like tax reform, healthcare, the wall, infrastructure, etc...DJT would be crazy like a fox if he did...

Remember your history, LBJ got civil rights, voting rights, medicare, medicaid, overhaul immigration, food stamps, aid to education,  etc, all in 2 years!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-meeting-with-democrats-deal/index.html

finally happy to see that something is getting done. As I stated before, I will praise DJT when he does something great and will criticize when necessary. Now, when I looked at my FoxNews app, somehow they didn't cover it. I won't go as far as saying that Fox News didn't cover it on TV, but I didn't see it on the app. Now can someone please explain why not ???

BTW, Greenbeck, you are starting to impress me with your news source. I'm not saying that CNN is the best but IMO, sure beats those other internet news sources (TownHall, Breithbart, etc) that you have posted before. I'll take it as a ray of light for you! Kudos to you!

I actually saw it on fox news and on your advice opened up the app and it was on the first page under "latest news"
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 08, 2017, 06:28:10 PM
I am happy to see that President Trump appears to be following through with his pledge of donating 1 million dollars to Hurricane Harvey relief.  It is also good to see that it is a personal donation rather than from his foundation.  Good for him on this.

Link:  http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-harvey-donation/index.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 13, 2017, 12:43:12 PM
This headline pretty much says it all:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alex-jones-claims-trump-is-being-covertly-drugged/article/2634024
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 13, 2017, 01:19:54 PM
This headline pretty much says it all:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alex-jones-claims-trump-is-being-covertly-drugged/article/2634024

Makes a lot of sense tbf.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: heyvik on September 13, 2017, 01:21:04 PM
This headline pretty much says it all:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alex-jones-claims-trump-is-being-covertly-drugged/article/2634024

This is what gets me about Alex Jones and InfoWars. He puts something out there - with no real proof. His followers will then either say its true and start with the 'deep state' argument OR they will say that he, like Fox News, is being satirical and he's joking (controlling the narrative). His followers will then think its gospel and run with it (see PizzaGate).

There's no way real way to oppose him or is '(fake) news reporting'. When you say he's a hack which has been proven (in his own words in his divorce proceedings)  - his base will say look at  (Soros, Obama, Hillary). When you say he's telling the truth - even though you may not truly believe him, his base seems will be emboldened.
Please bring back the truth docrtrine for reporting!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 16, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
1) Mueller has hired one of the best money laundering prosecutors in the country for the Russia probe.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/money-laundering-prosecutor-joins-trump-russia-probe

2) Ex-Trump staffers are coming forward complaining about how they're not being taken care of re legal fees, feeling 'hung out to dry' by admin.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-trump-staffer-says-us-121200476.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 17, 2017, 02:44:00 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 17, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 17, 2017, 04:47:08 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 17, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
This isn't a top 100 issue, but this article on Trump's inauguration fundraising and expenses is really something:

https://apnews.com/0756ba7480444895b4fabc9a2f0909b3 (https://apnews.com/0756ba7480444895b4fabc9a2f0909b3)

Some of the highlights:

- A concert featuring Toby Keith, Three Doors Down, and a YouTube piano act cost them $25 million to put on. For comparison, Obama's 2009 inaugural threw a concert involving Beyonce, U2, Bruce Springsteen, and others for twice as many people, which cost less than $5 million.  W's inaugural concert cost about $2.5 million.

- Leftover money from the record-setting $107 million in donations was supposed to be donated to charity. None has been donated so far.

- The chairman of the inaugural committee claims their finances were thoroughly audited by a third party, but would not provide a copy or identify who did it. Other associated people are claiming no such audit occurred.

Is there any other explanation for this outside of some mix of A. Gross incompetence, and B. Money laundering/patronage handouts via overbilling?  I'm really having a hard time thinking of any.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 18, 2017, 02:43:24 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on September 18, 2017, 02:47:04 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?

Indeed, paraphrasing Ben Shapiro's tweets? Pawning them off as original thought?

Nice!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 18, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?

Indeed, paraphrasing Ben Shapiro's tweets? Pawning them off as original thought?

Nice!

Wanna know what's messed up? I said that before he (Shapiro) did.

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/909538050597830656 Timestamped 6:02 PM 9/17

I got my joke in at quarter to 5. I will take my 'I'm sorry' cake with chocolate ganache frosting infused with clown tears, please.

EDIT: Also, ew. I don't follow Ben Shapiro.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 18, 2017, 03:33:23 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?

What's wrong with Stephen King?

I'm not offended by the golfing gif. It's mildly comical. It's not something the President should be tweeting though.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on September 18, 2017, 03:43:13 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?

Indeed, paraphrasing Ben Shapiro's tweets? Pawning them off as original thought?

Nice!

Stealing a line from good will hunting? Pawning it off as an original line?

Nice!

 ;)

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 18, 2017, 03:46:04 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?

What's wrong with Stephen King?

I'm not offended by the golfing gif. It's mildly comical. It's not something the President should be tweeting though.
I, too, found it mildly amusing, but it's still immature and ridiculous for the most powerful man in the world, representing the greatest country in the world, to be tweeting.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 18, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Stephen King said: "Trump thinks hitting a woman with a golf ball and knocking her down is funny. Myself, I think it indicates a severely (messed)-up mind."

And like...have you guys read the ending of It? Stephen King knows a thing or two about head troubles.

You read Stephen King?  You are joking, right?

What's wrong with Stephen King?

I'm not offended by the golfing gif. It's mildly comical. It's not something the President should be tweeting though.
I, too, found it mildly amusing, but it's still immature and ridiculous for the most powerful man in the world, representing the greatest country in the world, to be tweeting.
you could say that about his love for tweeting in general, not just this particular one.  he tweets more than a 'tween' girl. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 18, 2017, 04:57:26 PM
Maybe you like Hillary's sense of humor?  Should she have said this?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/09/hillary_laughs_off_awan_scandal.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 18, 2017, 05:05:29 PM
Maybe you like Hillary's sense of humor?  Should she have said this?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/09/hillary_laughs_off_awan_scandal.html
Who cares. She's not president.

This is just another "But Hillary...", "don't look at this Trump thing" post.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 18, 2017, 09:03:42 PM
meanwhile, back in the real world...Manafort was wiretapped 2 separate times, the 2nd time the wiretapped continued until after the start of the Trump administration. 

I will be interested to see how Trump will spin the fact that he hired Manafort in the 1st place.  He had to know the type of individual he was dealing with.

as per the new york times Mueller is reportedly going to indict Manafort, gotta wonder if Mueller is tightening the screws to flip him against trump?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/ (http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 18, 2017, 11:31:17 PM
Sense of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRj3HDil8bc
I am not a fan of our President acting like an immature teenager and tweeting stuff like this. Its ridiculous.

Yeah, the only appropriate response to something like that is -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U-aom-8iWg
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 19, 2017, 11:17:30 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 19, 2017, 11:28:29 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.

Don't worry, when Erdogan meets with Trump I'm sure they'll talk turkey, hehe :laugh:.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 19, 2017, 11:35:00 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.

Don't worry, when Erdogan meets with Trump I'm sure they'll talk turkey, hehe :laugh:.

Ohhhh you got Dad jokes huh? On board.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 20, 2017, 12:04:14 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.

Don't worry, when Erdogan meets with Trump I'm sure they'll talk turkey, hehe :laugh:.

Ohhhh you got Dad jokes huh? On board.

Yes, unfortunately.  It runs in the family.  Must be why I'm so popular among the ladies ::). Here's one more - what should Rex Tillerson have said to Sergey Lavrov after Russia's protest over Congress leveling more sanctions?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 20, 2017, 12:32:25 AM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 20, 2017, 01:06:54 AM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."

Nope - Crimea river :laugh:.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 20, 2017, 01:23:40 AM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."

Nope - Crimea river :laugh:.

Ohhhhhhh!!! Snap!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 20, 2017, 09:51:34 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.

Turkish journalists are now saying this may be a mistranslation of a word Erdogan used that can mean either "I'm sorry" or "I'm sad". They believe Erdogan was using it in the second sense when describing his conversation with Trump.

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/910494257944961025 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/910494257944961025)


Meanwhile, in grifting news, it turns out HHS secretary and noted inside trader Tom Price has been running up bills taking private charter flights everywhere he goes, despite HHS secretaries normally travelling commercially. He took a $25k private jet from DC to Philly and back for a 3 hour visit, despite a commercial flight leaving at the same time :o

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908)

Also, it looks like Trump is paying his legal bills in the Russia probe with his supporters' donation money. Hard to get upset over that one though, lie down with dogs, etc etc.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 20, 2017, 10:58:53 AM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."

Nope - Crimea river :laugh:.

Ohhhhhhh!!! Snap!
that one's so bad it's worth a TP
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 20, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.

Turkish journalists are now saying this may be a mistranslation of a word Erdogan used that can mean either "I'm sorry" or "I'm sad". They believe Erdogan was using it in the second sense when describing his conversation with Trump.

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/910494257944961025 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/910494257944961025)


Meanwhile, in grifting news, it turns out HHS secretary and noted inside trader Tom Price has been running up bills taking private charter flights everywhere he goes, despite HHS secretaries normally travelling commercially. He took a $25k private jet from DC to Philly and back for a 3 hour visit, despite a commercial flight leaving at the same time :o

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908)

Also, it looks like Trump is paying his legal bills in the Russia probe with his supporters' donation money. Hard to get upset over that one though, lie down with dogs, etc etc.
is that even legal?  I would think that it's not unless I'm misinterpreting"donation money" as campaign donations but they're actually donations to a legal defense fund
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 20, 2017, 11:12:23 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/910287707347267585

I hate the 'imagine if ..... did this and how upset you would be!' But imagine. Donald Trump apologized to Erdogan for his body guards beating the crap out of American Citizens on American soil. He's so weird about the despots he supports and attacks. Kim Jong Un, we're bringing fire and fury...maybe...but we're so mad and serious about it. Putin, basically in the fan club. Apologizes to Erdogan. What a time to be alive.

Turkish journalists are now saying this may be a mistranslation of a word Erdogan used that can mean either "I'm sorry" or "I'm sad". They believe Erdogan was using it in the second sense when describing his conversation with Trump.

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/910494257944961025 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/910494257944961025)


Meanwhile, in grifting news, it turns out HHS secretary and noted inside trader Tom Price has been running up bills taking private charter flights everywhere he goes, despite HHS secretaries normally travelling commercially. He took a $25k private jet from DC to Philly and back for a 3 hour visit, despite a commercial flight leaving at the same time :o

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908)

Also, it looks like Trump is paying his legal bills in the Russia probe with his supporters' donation money. Hard to get upset over that one though, lie down with dogs, etc etc.
is that even legal?  I would think that it's not unless I'm misinterpreting"donation money" as campaign donations but they're actually donations to a legal defense fund

It's legal if they're used to defend against allegations that arise from campaign activities, which, as of now, these allegations are.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 20, 2017, 11:12:46 AM
Flying charter from DC to Philly seems a bit excessive.   Especially when you're talking out of the other side of your mouth being critical on fed spending.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/tom-price-chartered-planes-flights-242908

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 20, 2017, 06:19:13 PM
This is a great speech by a great President.  Trump is orders of magnitude better, as a President, than the US has seen in a very long time:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/featured-videos/video/2017/09/19/president-trump-gives-address-72nd-session-united-nations-general
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 20, 2017, 06:42:30 PM
This is a great speech by a great President.  Trump is orders of magnitude better, as a President, than the US has seen in a very long time:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/featured-videos/video/2017/09/19/president-trump-gives-address-72nd-session-united-nations-general
If by "a very long time" you mean in the past 6 months you would be right.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 20, 2017, 06:56:39 PM
This is a great speech by a great President.  Trump is orders of magnitude better, as a President, than the US has seen in a very long time:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/featured-videos/video/2017/09/19/president-trump-gives-address-72nd-session-united-nations-general

While I question the wisdom of purposely and personally antagonizing an unstable person who has nuclear devices at his disposal, I like the fact that Trump does call out some world leaders for what they are.  His ability and willingness to pick fights with (or face down) some of the bad actors on the world stage is impressive and lives up to the Trump campaign promise of toughness.  Unfortunately, I am struggling to come up with much evidence to support a claim of greatness.  So far I see him as a generally awful president, a disgraceful moral leader, and an impulsive and petulant bully, but a guy who has 1) made a couple of strong speeches on the world stage, 2) has influenced a reduction in illegal border crossings, and 3) has made a successful nomination to the Supreme Court who will serve honorably (despite my disagreements with ideology).     Trump's aggressive language and name-calling toward Kim in NK may turn out well for the US and world peace, but it also risks disaster.  And I'm not certain the added risk is necessary.   
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Surferdad on September 20, 2017, 08:16:39 PM
This is a great speech by a great President.  Trump is orders of magnitude better, as a President, than the US has seen in a very long time:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/featured-videos/video/2017/09/19/president-trump-gives-address-72nd-session-united-nations-general

While I question the wisdom of purposely and personally antagonizing an unstable person who has nuclear devices at his disposal, I like the fact that Trump does call out some world leaders for what they are.  His ability and willingness to pick fights with (or face down) some of the bad actors on the world stage is impressive and lives up to the Trump campaign promise of toughness.  Unfortunately, I am struggling to come up with much evidence to support a claim of greatness.  So far I see him as a generally awful president, a disgraceful moral leader, and an impulsive and petulant bully, but a guy who has 1) made a couple of strong speeches on the world stage, 2) has influenced a reduction in illegal border crossings, and 3) has made a successful nomination to the Supreme Court who will serve honorably (despite my disagreements with ideology).    Trump's aggressive language and name-calling toward Kim in NK may turn out well for the US and world peace, but it also risks disaster.  And I'm not certain the added risk is necessary.
I've only highlighted the negatives because I agree with them.  The positives you listed are not durable or memorable.  Rest assured he will be remembered as the worst president ever.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: 2short on September 20, 2017, 08:34:41 PM
This is a great speech by a great President.  Trump is orders of magnitude better, as a President, than the US has seen in a very long time:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/featured-videos/video/2017/09/19/president-trump-gives-address-72nd-session-united-nations-general
:laugh:
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 20, 2017, 09:00:34 PM
I am still shocked that not only is he calling the leader of another country names publicly on Twitter but doing so in a major speech in front of the United Nations. I don't care how much conservative Americans loved what he said about America first, calling Un "Rocket Man" is again immature and beneath the office of the President of this great country.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 20, 2017, 10:18:37 PM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."

Nope - Crimea river :laugh:.

Ohhhhhhh!!! Snap!
that one's so bad it's worth a TP

Thanks.  I get most of my best ideas on the toilet :P.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 21, 2017, 07:24:32 AM
I am still shocked that not only is he calling the leader of another country names publicly on Twitter but doing so in a major speech in front of the United Nations. I don't care how much conservative Americans loved what he said about America first, calling Un "Rocket Man" is again immature and beneath the office of the President of this great country.

Agreed.

It's something you expect out of a third world despot, not the leader of the free world.

I thought the political nicknames were stupid in the primaries. Now that they're incorporated into official US policy, it's embarrassing.

I've heard comparisons to Reagan, which make me cringe. Reagan had dignity, class and credibility.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 21, 2017, 09:17:57 AM
Mueller's investigative team reportedly has emails (sent from an official campaign account) where then-campaign manager Paul Manafort offered a Kremlin-linked Russia oligarch "private briefings" on the campaign. Manafort, who was being sued for millions in debt by the same oligarch, also asked how he could use his position to "get whole".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246)

Anybody else remember Trump bragging during the campaign that Manafort was working for free? Sure seems like we know why now.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 21, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."

Nope - Crimea river :laugh:.

Ohhhhhhh!!! Snap!
that one's so bad it's worth a TP

Thanks.  I get most of my best ideas on the toilet :P.
hopefully it's not the fumes causing hallucinations ;)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 21, 2017, 09:29:44 AM
I am still shocked that not only is he calling the leader of another country names publicly on Twitter but doing so in a major speech in front of the United Nations. I don't care how much conservative Americans loved what he said about America first, calling Un "Rocket Man" is again immature and beneath the office of the President of this great country.

Agreed.

It's something you expect out of a third world despot, not the leader of the free world.

I thought the political nicknames were stupid in the primaries. Now that they're incorporated into official US policy, it's embarrassing.

I've heard comparisons to Reagan, which make me cringe. Reagan had dignity, class and credibility.
personally I'm appalled that this clown resorted to schoolyard garbage like this during the campaign and a high volume of voters were perfectly fine with it.  seeing him as POTUS continuing to attack others in the country like this is even worse.  this type of conduct on the world's stage is just an egregious lack of recognition of the gravity of the office of POTUS by Trump. 

It still boggles my mind that there are still many in this country who see this behavior and continue to support it. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 21, 2017, 10:37:14 AM
Mueller's investigative team reportedly has emails (sent from an official campaign account) where then-campaign manager Paul Manafort offered a Kremlin-linked Russia oligarch "private briefings" on the campaign. Manafort, who was being sued for millions in debt by the same oligarch, also asked how he could use his position to "get whole".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246)

Anybody else remember Trump bragging during the campaign that Manafort was working for free? Sure seems like we know why now.

I did remember that Manafort was working for "free" when I read this news yesterday.  For months I've wondered who introduced Trump, a political outsider, to Manafort.  This latest news only rekindles that curiousity.

As a reminder, here's an article from when Trump brought on Manafort.  https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/28/donald-trump-hires-paul-manafort-to-lead-delegate-effort/ (https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/28/donald-trump-hires-paul-manafort-to-lead-delegate-effort/)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 21, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
Here is a political cartoon for y'all:

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/09/20/153032
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 21, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
Here is a political cartoon for y'all:

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/09/20/153032

I don't get it.  Isn't it kind of a tired "yeah but Hilary" type of position?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 21, 2017, 09:49:21 PM
Here is a political cartoon for y'all:

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/09/20/153032

I don't get it.  Isn't it kind of a tired "yeah but Hilary" type of position?

It's never tired for some in here.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 22, 2017, 01:50:45 AM
Answer: "I Syria what you're doing and maybe there is some wiggle room in what Ukraine and Urkainot do right now. Also please stop screwing with our elections."

Nope - Crimea river :laugh:.

Ohhhhhhh!!! Snap!
that one's so bad it's worth a TP

Thanks.  I get most of my best ideas on the toilet :P.
hopefully it's not the fumes causing hallucinations ;)

Nah, that would actually be an improvement :laugh:.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 22, 2017, 09:46:47 AM
Here is a political cartoon for y'all:

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/09/20/153032

Not funny. Are they...do you hear...DUELING CARTOON FRIDAY?!

(http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/kimtoon10.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 22, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
Here is a political cartoon for y'all:

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/09/20/153032

Not funny. Are they...do you hear...DUELING CARTOON FRIDAY?!

(http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/kimtoon10.jpg)

Gives a whole new meaning to DCF ;) :laugh:.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 22, 2017, 12:28:38 PM
https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/09/22/153039
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 22, 2017, 01:16:02 PM
Okay I can see where dueling cartoons adds nothing and can only lead to bad things. Let's hold it there
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 22, 2017, 02:39:06 PM
Okay I can see where dueling cartoons adds nothing and can only lead to bad things. Let's hold it there

Apologies, seemed like a lighter hearted way to voice disagreements, def see how it could go awry.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 22, 2017, 03:34:05 PM
Okay I can see where dueling cartoons adds nothing and can only lead to bad things. Let's hold it there

since when is Nick able to type in green bolded text?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 22, 2017, 03:41:40 PM
Okay I can see where dueling cartoons adds nothing and can only lead to bad things. Let's hold it there

since when is Nick able to type in green bolded text?
It took me 10 years but I finally figured out how those buttons work😄
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 22, 2017, 04:46:49 PM
My Pictures What Got Words On Em will not be silenced!

Uh-oh, new page, um content content uh - oh yeah, HHS announced, presumably from a private jet, that the ACA enrollment site will be closed from midnight-noon every Sunday save one til the end of the year for "maintenance".  Sounds like they're really trying to look out for the average American any way they can.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 22, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
TPs to Rondo and fwf. Funny stuff.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 22, 2017, 05:01:29 PM
Back on subject

Kim Jong-un called Trump a dotard and other names. Is anyone else feel like we have two beligerent children running the countries of North Korea and the USA?

"I'm going to fire missles"
"Better not"
"I am"
"Better not"
"I am"
"Better not rocket man or I will totally destroy you"
"Try it you mental dotard"

Hopefully what comes next is
"Am not"
"Are too"
"Am not"
"Are too"....

And not nuclear explosions.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: libermaniac on September 22, 2017, 06:32:42 PM
Back on subject

Kim Jong-un called Trump a dotard and other names. Is anyone else feel like we have two beligerent children running the countries of North Korea and the USA?

"I'm going to fire missles"
"Better not"
"I am"
"Better not"
"I am"
"Better not rocket man or I will totally destroy you"
"Try it you mental dotard"

Hopefully what comes next is
"Am not"
"Are too"
"Am not"
"Are too"....

And not nuclear explosions.

Or maybe Trump pulls the old playground switcharoo:

Trump:  "Are not"
Jong-un: "Am too"
Trump:  "Are too"
Jong-un: "Am not"
 ;D
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 10:25:11 AM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great - he did alot of trash talking.  I don't remember Bill Russell ever saying he was sorry the Celtics won all those titles and they beat other teams. Red Auerbach never wanted the Celtics to be equal to the rest of the NBA.  Everybody hated the Celtics. (except in Boston)   Trump is like those guys.   They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAXH_9bpLfI
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: greece666 on September 23, 2017, 10:29:02 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 23, 2017, 10:41:21 AM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

Quote
They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)

Trump is so classy it hurts.  At some point isn't the collective embarrassment that we have to go through enough?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 11:15:25 AM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

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They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

absolutely great post
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Somebody on September 23, 2017, 11:18:41 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)
Imo it's one of the few things that's he's actually correct about, if the Warriors wanted to be the good guys that badly going to the White House and giving some constructive criticism is the way to go, not acting like ****es (even though Trump isn't an angel himself he's still the president).
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 11:20:06 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)
Someone in the White House needs to take the President's phone away from him and keep him off Twitter. He looks more and more like a 10 year old internet idiot every time he posts.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 11:41:55 AM
Curry had 3 options:
1. Go and be honored
2. Go and discuss concerns with the leader of the country
3. Be a Disrespectful Lunatic



Curry always takes the 3
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 11:50:35 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)

What a clown this idiot is.

The fact that he condemned black NFL players peacefully protesting on the field MORE than he did the White Supremacists in Charlottesville should say it all.  >:(

And anyways, Curry wasn't going, so to me it's like a boss saying, "you're fired", and then the employee responding, "you can't fire me, I quit!".

Trump has thin skin, lets face it. Don't see how anyone can dispute that to be honest.

The Warriors should go to Obama's house and take a team picture from there LOL.

But this leads me to a question... assuming he's still there, if Boston go on to win the Finals this year or next... will the team go to the White House?  ???
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 11:51:40 AM
Curry had 3 options:
1. Go and be honored
2. Go and discuss concerns with the leader of the country
3. Be a Disrespectful Lunatic



Curry always takes the 3

Right, because clearly Curry was the ONLY guy on the Warriors who didn't want to go...

And "discussing concerns with the leader of the country" only works if the leader you're speaking to isn't thin-skinned. Bet you if Curry went and did that, Trump would tweet his "dismay"  ::)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Rondo9 on September 23, 2017, 12:04:16 PM
They're all acting like children
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
They're all acting like children

Which is totally understandable for athletes given their history.  The President of the United States on the other hand...... Not so much. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chilidawg on September 23, 2017, 12:06:57 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)
Imo it's one of the few things that's he's actually correct about, if the Warriors wanted to be the good guys that badly going to the White House and giving some constructive criticism is the way to go, not acting like ****es (even though Trump isn't an angel himself he's still the president).

Because constructive criticism works so well with this President.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Rondo9 on September 23, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
They're all acting like children

Which is totally understandable for athletes given their history.  The President of the United States on the other hand...... Not so much.

Well, I'm not praising them. They could've taken the high road, but as a result, I shook my head at all this but found it amusing at the same time.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 12:15:36 PM
They're all acting like children

Which is totally understandable for athletes given their history.  The President of the United States on the other hand...... Not so much.

Well, I'm not praising them. They could've taken the high road, but as a result, I shook my head at all this but found it amusing at the same time.

Oh totally.  I saw what what you were saying. 

As an aside, isn't this the equivalent of Ronald Reagan going after Larry Bird or something?  When you put this in historical terms, it seems even more utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Rondo9 on September 23, 2017, 12:21:41 PM
They're all acting like children

Which is totally understandable for athletes given their history.  The President of the United States on the other hand...... Not so much.

Well, I'm not praising them. They could've taken the high road, but as a result, I shook my head at all this but found it amusing at the same time.

Oh totally.  I saw what what you were saying. 

As an aside, isn't this the equivalent of Ronald Reagan going after Larry Bird or something?  When you put this in historical terms, it seems even more utterly ridiculous.

That's even more funny.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Fan from VT on September 23, 2017, 12:23:25 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)

What a clown this idiot is.

The fact that he condemned black NFL players peacefully protesting on the field MORE than he did the White Supremacists in Charlottesville should say it all.  >:(

And anyways, Curry wasn't going, so to me it's like a boss saying, "you're fired", and then the employee responding, "you can't fire me, I quit!".

Trump has thin skin, lets face it. Don't see how anyone can dispute that to be honest.

The Warriors should go to Obama's house and take a team picture from there LOL.

But this leads me to a question... assuming he's still there, if Boston go on to win the Finals this year or next... will the team go to the White House?  ???

Not only that, but i bet Kyrie gets appointed head of NASA.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 12:26:27 PM
I'll give it to LBJ.  Pretty solid response. "You can't fire me because I already quit!"

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LeBron James‏Verified account @KingJames  1h1 hour ago
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U bum @StephenCurry30 already said he ain't going! So therefore ain't no invite. Going to White House was a great honor until you showed up!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 12:37:33 PM
Haven't seen Lebron drop 45 more beautifully than in 2012, Game 6 vs. us   :o
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 12:39:31 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted. 

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on September 23, 2017, 12:46:28 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them
It truly is. Curry should have asked for some personal time with DJT and told him to his face how he feels and allow Trump to speak personally to him about. Not going just adds division to an already divided country. On a spiritual note, Curry professes to be a Christian. Christ would never turn down and invite to show his faith with a leader.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Rondo9 on September 23, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Haven't seen Lebron drop 45 more beautifully than in 2012, Game 6 vs. us   :o

It's childish, no different than what Trump said.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Rondo9 on September 23, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
I don't think anyone is dismissing Trump's response. But they also feel that Lebron and Steph are acting like children.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 01:03:02 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 01:05:44 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you ****ing kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 01:06:19 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you g kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
i said to curry. We're trying to justify lebron using defamatory terms

Also he didn't call kaepernick that, even though that is what kaepernick is. Ever seen the socks kaepernick wore that depicted police as literal pigs ? Nice job misquoting trump
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you g kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
i said to curry. We're trying to justify lebron using defamatory terms

Also he didn't call kaepernick that, even though that is what kaepernick is. Ever seen the socks kaepernick wore that depicted police as literal pigs ? Nice job misquoting trump

I'll use your bull**** copout excuse that because he didn't specifically name Kaepernick, he didn't call Kaepnerick by pointing out how Bron never once named Trump in his tweet, so he didn't call Trump a bum.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 01:28:25 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you g kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
i said to curry. We're trying to justify lebron using defamatory terms

Also he didn't call kaepernick that, even though that is what kaepernick is. Ever seen the socks kaepernick wore that depicted police as literal pigs ? Nice job misquoting trump

I'll use your bull**** copout excuse that because he didn't specifically name Kaepernick, he didn't call Kaepnerick by pointing out how Bron never once named Trump in his tweet, so he didn't call Trump a bum.
you think calling someone a bum is mature or childish?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 23, 2017, 01:32:20 PM
I have seen posts in this and the other Trump thread that has blown me away but nothing I have seen before rises to the level of ridiculousness and hypocrisy of posters complaining about other people's childish tweets towards President Trump after all of the childish crap he has tweeted and said.  President Trump, through his own words and actions, has earned this contempt.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 01:37:28 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you g kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
i said to curry. We're trying to justify lebron using defamatory terms

Also he didn't call kaepernick that, even though that is what kaepernick is. Ever seen the socks kaepernick wore that depicted police as literal pigs ? Nice job misquoting trump

I'll use your bull**** copout excuse that because he didn't specifically name Kaepernick, he didn't call Kaepnerick by pointing out how Bron never once named Trump in his tweet, so he didn't call Trump a bum.
you think calling someone a bum is mature or childish?

You think the President of the United States calling someone a son of a ***** is mature or childish?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 01:40:54 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you g kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
i said to curry. We're trying to justify lebron using defamatory terms

Also he didn't call kaepernick that, even though that is what kaepernick is. Ever seen the socks kaepernick wore that depicted police as literal pigs ? Nice job misquoting trump

I'll use your bull**** copout excuse that because he didn't specifically name Kaepernick, he didn't call Kaepnerick by pointing out how Bron never once named Trump in his tweet, so he didn't call Trump a bum.
you think calling someone a bum is mature or childish?

You think the President of the United States calling someone a son of a ***** is mature or childish?
you just said the tweet didn't call out trump.  Why are you mentioning him


And will you ever answer the question or will you keep using red herrings
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 01:42:34 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Are you g kidding? Trump just called Kaepernick a "son of a *****," yet I don't see you crying about that.
i said to curry. We're trying to justify lebron using defamatory terms

Also he didn't call kaepernick that, even though that is what kaepernick is. Ever seen the socks kaepernick wore that depicted police as literal pigs ? Nice job misquoting trump

I'll use your bull**** copout excuse that because he didn't specifically name Kaepernick, he didn't call Kaepnerick by pointing out how Bron never once named Trump in his tweet, so he didn't call Trump a bum.
you think calling someone a bum is mature or childish?

You think the President of the United States calling someone a son of a ***** is mature or childish?
you just said the tweet didn't call out trump.  Why are you mentioning him

Because I'm free to ask you a question about something Trump has done.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 01:48:36 PM
And, for the record, I'll continue to dodge your nonsense questions as you continue to dodge your hypocrisy over having nothing to say when Trump blatantly insults and attacks people, but getting your feathers ruffled over people insulting him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 02:00:55 PM
Enough with the masked profanity. Keep it civil
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 02:42:34 PM
Lebrons insult is childish. "bum" coming from someone worth half a billion dollars?

 I wonder how homeless people actually feel that this multimillionaire throws around derogatory terms about them

Willing to go out on a limb here & say very few, if any, homeless people were triggered by what Lebron James tweeted.
still a derogatory term against homeless people used by a multimillionaire. The only one triggered is lebron using elementary school disses and throwing derogatory terms... Its hypocritical because lebron claims hes against division  and bullying and yada yada and yet he's the biggest bully throwing names
Let me ask you- what exactly does lebrons childish insult solve? Nothing. He just wanted attention and retweets for his  diss. He's a grown adult acting like a little kid.

Again, he & Lebron are professional athletes, I expect a helluva lot less from those two or any other athlete in a public forum than what I expect out of the President of the United States.

You can yell & scream "hypocritical" all day long but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the President of the United States is acting like a child also. This has been on display over & over again since January (and well before).  The American people certainly should expect a lot more from him than from Lebron or Steph.    .
what did trump say to curry that is remotely childish or close to "bum"

Nothing

Besides tweeting at him (in the first place) and pulling the "well, you can't come anyways because I'm dis-inviting you" card (again, this coming from the POTUS on a social media account)?  Nothing.

Also, you seem awfully worked up at the "bum" comment when you, yourself, were labeling Curry "a lunatic" just a page or two ago.  Faux outrage, much?

Curry had 3 options:
1. Go and be honored
2. Go and discuss concerns with the leader of the country
3. Be a Disrespectful Lunatic



Curry always takes the 3

I'm sure the mentally ill would be offended by that, right?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 02:46:17 PM
https://twitter.com/McCourtyTwins/status/911585728739586048

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Ppl said it was disrespectful not going to the White House..I’m sure they are quiet about us being called “sons of ****es” 🤦🏿‍♂️(D-Mac)

He's got a point.

Trump called them sons of b*** and condemned them for peaceful protesting A LOT harder than he did the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville.  >:(

He's extremely thin-skinned and is no doubt a racist, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: kozlodoev on September 23, 2017, 02:56:58 PM
I thought Trump already had his "you can't fire me I quit moment" when his disbanded his advisory councils that had already resigned en masse. Not so much I guess. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 03:00:14 PM

He's extremely thin-skinned and is no doubt a racist, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.

I mean this is really the gist of the whole problem.  Our president can't ever handle any type of criticism, at all.  He lacks the maturity to be able to see the bigger picture in most of these situations.  And, he is a racist.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: kozlodoev on September 23, 2017, 03:01:32 PM
https://twitter.com/McCourtyTwins/status/911585728739586048

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Devin&Jason McCourty‏
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Ppl said it was disrespectful not going to the White House..I’m sure they are quiet about us being called “sons of ****es” 🤦🏿‍♂️(D-Mac)

He's got a point.

Trump called them sons of b*** and condemned them for peaceful protesting A LOT harder than he did the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville.  >:(

He's extremely thin-skinned and is no doubt a racist, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.
He also called for them to be fired for exercising their freedom of expression, which is by and large a violation of the First Amendment.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 23, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
I thought Trump already had his "you can't fire me I quit moment" when his disbanded his advisory councils that had already resigned en masse. Not so much I guess. ;D ;D ;D
Disbanding/disinviting councils/people/teams when it is clear that they are going to quit or not show up is President Trump's signature move.  Him claiming to disinvite the Warriors was as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:36:13 PM
https://twitter.com/McCourtyTwins/status/911585728739586048

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Devin&Jason McCourty‏
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@McCourtyTwins

Ppl said it was disrespectful not going to the White House..I’m sure they are quiet about us being called “sons of ****es” 🤦🏿‍♂️(D-Mac)

He's got a point.

Trump called them sons of b*** and condemned them for peaceful protesting A LOT harder than he did the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville.  >:(

He's extremely thin-skinned and is no doubt a racist, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.
He also called for them to be fired for exercising their freedom of expression, which is by and large a violation of the First Amendment.

Absolutely right.


He's extremely thin-skinned and is no doubt a racist, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.

I mean this is really the gist of the whole problem.  Our president can't ever handle any type of criticism, at all.  He lacks the maturity to be able to see the bigger picture in most of these situations.  And, he is a racist.

That's why he has his Rallies to help glorify himself every so often..  ::)

Even when he went to the places ravaged by the most recent Hurricanes, he brought up crowd size and talked about walls and everything...  >:(
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:38:05 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

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Donald J. Trump‏
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If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
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...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

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Donald J. Trump‏
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If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on September 23, 2017, 03:43:14 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

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Donald J. Trump‏
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If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt

People pay money to watch the football game. They don't pay money to walk out of the football game in support of capricious Donald Trump.

Not gonna win that fight.

P.S. I don't have a dog in the "Trump vs. Crooked" fight but, I'm interested what "way more" means to you.

Most recent approval ratings: 40%
Winner of popular vote: Clinton

Hmm......
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:47:56 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

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Donald J. Trump‏
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@realDonaldTrump

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt

Wrong.

Popular vote went to Hillary, and his approval rating is 40%.

Also Trump is not winning a fight against Curry and Lebron, much less a great chunk of the NBA and NFL landscape.

A lot of NFL fans hate commissioner Goodell but the fact that they are siding with his position on the entire issue speaks volumes too.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

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Donald J. Trump‏
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@realDonaldTrump

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt

Wrong.

Popular vote went to Hillary, and his approval rating is 40%.

Also Trump is not winning a fight against Curry and Lebron, much less a great chunk of the NBA and NFL landscape.

A lot of NFL fans hate commissioner Goodell but the fact that they are siding with his position on the entire issue speaks volumes too.
who makes the approval rating polls? Oh right

The same people who said This the day before the election
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0uFATW8AEv9F7.jpg)

Even after being proven fake news, you  still listen and use their lies as "facts" to defend your position. Hilarious
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 03:53:29 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
Now UNC's Men Basketball Team is NOT visiting the White House.

What's Trump going to do next? Tweet that they aren't invited?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 23, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏
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@realDonaldTrump

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt
What alternative facts makes you believe that this is true?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

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They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 04:14:47 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

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They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?


There is nothing complicated or odd about it, Trump is one of, if not THE worst U.S. President in history. A majority of the country feels that way nowadays, and definitely the vast majority of the world outside the U.S. also feels that way.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 23, 2017, 04:15:19 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏
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If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt

Wrong.

Popular vote went to Hillary, and his approval rating is 40%.

Also Trump is not winning a fight against Curry and Lebron, much less a great chunk of the NBA and NFL landscape.

A lot of NFL fans hate commissioner Goodell but the fact that they are siding with his position on the entire issue speaks volumes too.
who makes the approval rating polls? Oh right

The same people who said This the day before the election
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0uFATW8AEv9F7.jpg)

Even after being proven fake news, you  still listen and use their lies as "facts" to defend your position. Hilarious

Wait, you think HuffPo actually conducted the polls?  Oh dear.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 04:20:47 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt

Wrong.

Popular vote went to Hillary, and his approval rating is 40%.

Also Trump is not winning a fight against Curry and Lebron, much less a great chunk of the NBA and NFL landscape.

A lot of NFL fans hate commissioner Goodell but the fact that they are siding with his position on the entire issue speaks volumes too.
who makes the approval rating polls? Oh right

The same people who said This the day before the election
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0uFATW8AEv9F7.jpg)

Even after being proven fake news, you  still listen and use their lies as "facts" to defend your position. Hilarious

Wait, you think HuffPo actually conducted the polls?  Oh dear.
huffpo is every trump haters home page
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on September 23, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.

Too many Sheep can't see the facts...this country has been hijacked by Corporations, Bankers, Lobbyists and the Politicians they pay---they are frightened by Trump--who doesn't bow to their demands(he has his own money). They control all of the media now, and are doing everything they can to get him out....too bad so many people fall for this garbage. Our last Real President was John F. Kennedy--and we saw what happened to him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 04:23:46 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.

Too many Sheep can't see the facts...this country has been hijacked by Corporations, Bankers, Lobbyists and the Politicians they pay---they are frightened by Trump--who doesn't bow to their demands(he has his own money). They control all of the media now, and are doing everything they can to get him out....too bad so many people fall for this garbage. Our last Real President was John F. Kennedy--and we saw what happened to him.
tp. Well said


The election was about a year ago, and the globalists are still repeating stupidity about Russians buying facebook ads. Yup, a few ads on facebook next to Farmville was def what caused us all to vote for trump in record numbers. Totally
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 04:24:37 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

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They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?


There is nothing complicated or odd about it, Trump is one of, if not THE worst U.S. President in history. A majority of the country feels that way nowadays, and definitely the vast majority of the world outside the U.S. also feels that way.

No facts, wishful thinking.  Fantasy world like Stephen King novels.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.



Too many Sheep can't see the facts...this country has been hijacked by Corporations, Bankers, Lobbyists and the Politicians they pay---they are frightened by Trump--who doesn't bow to their demands(he has his own money). They control all of the media now, and are doing everything they can to get him out....too bad so many people fall for this garbage. Our last Real President was John F. Kennedy--and we saw what happened to him.

You are blind or deluded if you cannot see that Trump IS one of those greedy 1 percenters who have hijacked the country. The policies he is pushing punish our citizens, destroy our education system and our environment, and fill the pockets of those very same corporations, bankers and lobbyists. It is their dream come true. Luckily there are some sane politicians still left in there with some courage on both sides of the aisle who have gotten in the way of the agenda of the greedy so far.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

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They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?


There is nothing complicated or odd about it, Trump is one of, if not THE worst U.S. President in history. A majority of the country feels that way nowadays, and definitely the vast majority of the world outside the U.S. also feels that way.

No facts, wishful thinking.  Fantasy world like Stephen King novels.


There are overwhelming facts. If you choose to ignore them, then enjoy your fantasy world.

Btw, Stephen King novels are not fantasy novels, they are horror novels, so in that case your analogy may work, as the current president is a horror story.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 23, 2017, 04:29:20 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911654184918880260

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

If a player wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NFL,or other leagues, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911655987857281024

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump

...our Great American Flag (or Country) and should stand for the National Anthem. If not, YOU'RE FIRED. Find something else to do!

As a New England Patriots fan, I would not mind seeing some of our guys protest tomorrow on the field. Even if they don't, I have a good feeling there will be A LOT more protesting tomorrow. Stay tuned.
after most the fans walk out the stadium, you won't see any more protesting you Better believethat. Way more people like him than hate him. That's why he's president and crooked isnt

Wrong.

Popular vote went to Hillary, and his approval rating is 40%.

Also Trump is not winning a fight against Curry and Lebron, much less a great chunk of the NBA and NFL landscape.

A lot of NFL fans hate commissioner Goodell but the fact that they are siding with his position on the entire issue speaks volumes too.
who makes the approval rating polls? Oh right

The same people who said This the day before the election
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0uFATW8AEv9F7.jpg)

Even after being proven fake news, you  still listen and use their lies as "facts" to defend your position. Hilarious

Wait, you think HuffPo actually conducted the polls?  Oh dear.
huffpo is every trump haters home page

What does a half-baked stereotype about half of Americans' browser settings have to do with believing HuffPo conducted the polls?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on September 23, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.

Too many Sheep can't see the facts...this country has been hijacked by Corporations, Bankers, Lobbyists and the Politicians they pay---they are frightened by Trump--who doesn't bow to their demands(he has his own money). They control all of the media now, and are doing everything they can to get him out....too bad so many people fall for this garbage. Our last Real President was John F. Kennedy--and we saw what happened to him.
tp. Well said


The election was about a year ago, and the globalists are still repeating stupidity about Russians buying facebook ads. Yup, a few ads on facebook next to Farmville was def what caused us all to vote for trump in record numbers. Totally

The Republicans want him out too...He's not one of them,either. Republicans could be ruling the country easily right now---But the Globalists are paying BOTH parties. McCain, Ryan and McConnell are stooges. There is indeed a swamp that needs draining.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on September 23, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.



Too many Sheep can't see the facts...this country has been hijacked by Corporations, Bankers, Lobbyists and the Politicians they pay---they are frightened by Trump--who doesn't bow to their demands(he has his own money). They control all of the media now, and are doing everything they can to get him out....too bad so many people fall for this garbage. Our last Real President was John F. Kennedy--and we saw what happened to him.

You are blind or deluded if you cannot see that Trump IS one of those greedy 1 percenters who have hijacked the country. The policies he is pushing punish our citizens, destroy our education system and our environment, and fill the pockets of those very same corporations, bankers and lobbyists. It is their dream come true. Luckily there are some sane politicians still left in there with some courage on both sides of the aisle who have gotten in the way of the agenda of the greedy so far.

I've listened to your left-wing gibberish for far too long....your house of cards is coming down soon.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 04:34:15 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

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They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?


There is nothing complicated or odd about it, Trump is one of, if not THE worst U.S. President in history. A majority of the country feels that way nowadays, and definitely the vast majority of the world outside the U.S. also feels that way.

No facts, wishful thinking.  Fantasy world like Stephen King novels.


There are overwhelming facts. If you choose to ignore them, then enjoy your fantasy world.

Btw, Stephen King novels are not fantasy novels, they are horror novels, so in that case your analogy may work, as the current president is a horror story.

You can't seem to separate Stephen King's pretend world with reality. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
Danny Ainge wants to make the Celtics great again.  He fights for good trade deals.  Brad Stevens likes good chemistry and team players that will help the team win.  Trump is like those guys, too. Like Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Red Auerbach, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens, they are winners!  They put the Celtics first.  Trump puts America first.   Common sense.   

And btw, like Kevin McHale clothesline on Kurt Rambis, he is not afraid to take down the bozo on the other team.



Too many Sheep can't see the facts...this country has been hijacked by Corporations, Bankers, Lobbyists and the Politicians they pay---they are frightened by Trump--who doesn't bow to their demands(he has his own money). They control all of the media now, and are doing everything they can to get him out....too bad so many people fall for this garbage. Our last Real President was John F. Kennedy--and we saw what happened to him.

You are blind or deluded if you cannot see that Trump IS one of those greedy 1 percenters who have hijacked the country. The policies he is pushing punish our citizens, destroy our education system and our environment, and fill the pockets of those very same corporations, bankers and lobbyists. It is their dream come true. Luckily there are some sane politicians still left in there with some courage on both sides of the aisle who have gotten in the way of the agenda of the greedy so far.

I've listened to your left-wing gibberish for far too long....your house of cards is coming down soon.

Im not a left wing person, and I dont know what house of cards BS you are referring to. You are free to continue your delusion as you please though.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: JSD on September 23, 2017, 04:38:34 PM
If Democrats continue to focus on identity politics (SJW, Cultural Marxism, Post Modernism), or whatever you want to call it, they will continue to lose.

In regards to BLM, there are major cultural issues going on within the black community that are not even part of the conversation right now. Until then, few outside of the leftist echo-chamber will take them seriously.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

Quote
They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?


There is nothing complicated or odd about it, Trump is one of, if not THE worst U.S. President in history. A majority of the country feels that way nowadays, and definitely the vast majority of the world outside the U.S. also feels that way.

No facts, wishful thinking.  Fantasy world like Stephen King novels.


There are overwhelming facts. If you choose to ignore them, then enjoy your fantasy world.

Btw, Stephen King novels are not fantasy novels, they are horror novels, so in that case your analogy may work, as the current president is a horror story.

You can't seem to separate Stephen King's pretend world with reality.

I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. Continue on with your delusions, they are entertaining. They also reflect the typical right wing extremist response of IGNORING THE FACTS and POINTING TO SOME DISTRACTING INSANE TOPIC.

You ignored any actual points I made.

Does that cover it? Great job!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: More Banners on September 23, 2017, 04:57:23 PM
Just a quick thought before this thread gets locked for incivility:

There might be a genuine consensus in the country and perhaps even the world on at least one thing for the first time ever, and that might be that this guy is the most unprofessional president ever. Granted, some might find that to be acceptably, good, or perhaps even necessary in some way to shake things up or whatever, but there might be agreement there.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 05:03:24 PM
If Democrats continue to focus on identity politics (SJW, Cultural Marxism, Post Modernism), or whatever you want to call it, they will continue to lose.

In regards to BLM, there are major cultural issues going on within the black community that are not even part of the conversation right now. Until then, few outside of the leftist echo-chamber will take them seriously.

Blacks for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4bl1DPuYsA
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on September 23, 2017, 05:13:34 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

Quote
They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?


There is nothing complicated or odd about it, Trump is one of, if not THE worst U.S. President in history. A majority of the country feels that way nowadays, and definitely the vast majority of the world outside the U.S. also feels that way.

No facts, wishful thinking.  Fantasy world like Stephen King novels.


There are overwhelming facts. If you choose to ignore them, then enjoy your fantasy world.

Btw, Stephen King novels are not fantasy novels, they are horror novels, so in that case your analogy may work, as the current president is a horror story.
President Trumps current approval rating is in the high 30s. His trajectory has not been unlike that of Gerald Ford who had a similarly low approval rating. Carter, W. Bush, Nixon and Truman all left office with lower approval ratings.

At the moment he would likely have the lowest average approval rating of any president ever.

That said, there really isnt a good metric for this. Has Donald Trump actually dont anything that has already had a disastrous impact on the US? Id say no.

In 5 years(maybe) we can look back and say hes the worst president ever, but for now I dont think its really fair. You say he is the worst president ever because you predict his policies will fail.

His rhetoric etc has been ludicrous and I am disgusted by much of it, but I dont think you can call someone "worst president ever" untill we can look at the whole body of work and see the ramifications of his actions.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 23, 2017, 05:18:02 PM
Thomas Robinson signed with Russia.  He worked out with the Celtics.  If the Celtics don't win the championship this year, I want Adam Silver to investigate.  Russia will be the reason the Celtics didn't win the championship!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 05:19:43 PM
Let's stop with the delusional, sheep and other such talk. Everyone has their own opinion. Let's respect that.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 23, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

Quote
They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?

You just made my day Greenback -- thanks!  I am humbled by your regard for my diagnostic skills. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 23, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Larry Bird never apologized for being great.

Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players in the history of the game. Donald Trump by many metrics is one of if not the worst President in our nation's history. You're comparing apples and dog turds. Not the same.

Quote
They love him in Alabama.  Another massive rally.  Hello? Anybody home?

What does that mean to you? Why do they love him particularly in Alabama (larger disparity of Trump voters to non-Trump than anywhere else)? What about Alabama is significant to the conversation, and is there something we should take note on there?

To me, holding another vitriolic rally amid the whirling crapstorm that is his presidency seems ridiculous. Holding it in the heart of the deep south seems even more suspect. It's almost like Donald Trump needs to be reassured once and a while that people still love him, so he goes to a place where he knows he's supported and tells the people things they want to hear that he won't back up.

If you don't understand, I don't think you will find the answer in twisted Stephen King novels.  There is a large volume of hatred and disrespect for our President in your posts.  Maybe Neurotic guy can shed some light on this dark thinking?

This response is very Trumpian. Didn't address the point, accused someone who disagrees with him of having 'dark thinking' that is incomprehensible, moved the field goals on the response. Can you put the word 'Sad' at the end with an exclamation mark?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 08:25:05 PM
Let's stop with the delusional, sheep and other such talk. Everyone has their own opinion. Let's respect that.

There are opinions , and then there are people that spew falls claims as facts and use them to attack others. The two are not equivalent. Opinions I respect, false claims used to attack people and spread propaganda I have no respect for. I will call them what they are.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on September 23, 2017, 09:11:49 PM
I don't know about any one else, but I'm completely worn out by the racial slings of both sides among politicians, media, the public.  The quality of it isn't conducive to any thing.  Big difference between meaningful discourse and mudslinging. 

Edit: Not intended to broach a topic against forum rules, just a quick vent.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Trump is out here picking fights with Goodell now on Twitter...  ::)

Tomorrow should be an interesting day around the NFL.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 09:35:42 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 09:39:20 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Yeah, that's exactly why his approval rating is 40%, he's getting bashed left and right from NFL and NBA owners/players, and wait, "won in a landslide". What landslide?

And please don't give me this, "Fake News" nonsense.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 09:39:27 PM
I don't know about any one else, but I'm completely worn out by the racial slings of both sides among politicians, media, the public.  The quality of it isn't conducive to any thing.  Big difference between meaningful discourse and mudslinging. 

Edit: Not intended to broach a topic against forum rules, just a quick vent.
I am too but who's starting it? The guy kneeling wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs?

(http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

And to think there are actually people that support this guys cause
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Yeah, that's exactly why his approval rating is 40%, he's getting bashed left and right from NFL and NBA owners/players, and wait, "won in a landslide". What landslide?

And please don't give me this, "Fake News" nonsense.
which owners are bashing trump? Bob kraft, jerry jones, Stan kroenke, daniel snyder, shahid khan, woody Johnson, and bob McNair are all personal friends of trump. They've donated to him and voted for him. Which owner is against trump other than mark cuban ( aka the guy who always wants to be trump but falls flat)?

All my favorite players like Tom Brady also support trump, so no idea what you're talking about. I don't like lebron nor care about him. He was paid off by Hillary so he's obviously going to be biased.

The fact that all these owners are friends of trump is big. He has influence in the NFL and that must make the trump hating nfl fans cry at night. Probably wont be seeing kneeling from those teams. If we do see it, we will see fans walk out the stadiums
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

If a landslide now means losing the popular vote....
If standing by him means approval ratings below 40%....
and over 1/2 of the country wanting him impeached

Does it make trump supporters feel better to rearrange the facts?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 09:49:21 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Yeah, that's exactly why his approval rating is 40%, he's getting bashed left and right from NFL and NBA owners/players, and wait, "won in a landslide". What landslide?

And please don't give me this, "Fake News" nonsense.
which owners are bashing trump? Bob kraft, jerry jones, Stan kroenke, daniel snyder, shahid khan, woody Johnson, and bob McNair are all personal friends of trump. They've donated to him and voted for him. Which owner is against trump other than mark cuban ( aka the guy who always wants to be trump but falls flat)?

All my favorite players like Tom Brady also support trump, so no idea what you're talking about. I don't like lebron nor care about him. He was paid off by Hillary so he's obviously going to be biased.

The fact that all these owners are friends of trump is big. He has influence in the NFL and that must make the trump hating nfl fans cry at night. Probably wont be seeing kneeling from those teams. If we do see it, we will see fans walk out the stadiums

I found 3 sets of owners who came out against trump in a 12 sec web search.  There are probably more....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands)

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 09:50:56 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Yeah, that's exactly why his approval rating is 40%, he's getting bashed left and right from NFL and NBA owners/players, and wait, "won in a landslide". What landslide?

And please don't give me this, "Fake News" nonsense.
which owners are bashing trump? Bob kraft, jerry jones, Stan kroenke, daniel snyder, shahid khan, woody Johnson, and bob McNair are all personal friends of trump. They've donated to him and voted for him. Which owner is against trump other than mark cuban ( aka the guy who always wants to be trump but falls flat)?

All my favorite players like Tom Brady also support trump, so no idea what you're talking about. I don't like lebron nor care about him. He was paid off by Hillary so he's obviously going to be biased.

The fact that all these owners are friends of trump is big. He has influence in the NFL and that must make the trump hating nfl fans cry at night. Probably wont be seeing kneeling from those teams. If we do see it, we will see fans walk out the stadiums

I found 3 sets of owners who came out against trump in a 12 sec web search.  There are probably more....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands)

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump)
3 sanctuary cities hate trump. So surprised. So I found at least 7 and you found 3. Which numbers bigger? you said bashed left and right yet rhe reality is he's supported left and right by owners and players, and only a tiny minority of owners dislike him
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 09:56:15 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Yeah, that's exactly why his approval rating is 40%, he's getting bashed left and right from NFL and NBA owners/players, and wait, "won in a landslide". What landslide?

And please don't give me this, "Fake News" nonsense.
which owners are bashing trump? Bob kraft, jerry jones, Stan kroenke, daniel snyder, shahid khan, woody Johnson, and bob McNair are all personal friends of trump. They've donated to him and voted for him. Which owner is against trump other than mark cuban ( aka the guy who always wants to be trump but falls flat)?

All my favorite players like Tom Brady also support trump, so no idea what you're talking about. I don't like lebron nor care about him. He was paid off by Hillary so he's obviously going to be biased.

The fact that all these owners are friends of trump is big. He has influence in the NFL and that must make the trump hating nfl fans cry at night. Probably wont be seeing kneeling from those teams. If we do see it, we will see fans walk out the stadiums

I found 3 sets of owners who came out against trump in a 12 sec web search.  There are probably more....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands)

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump)
3 sanctuary cities hate trump. So surprised.

Look you were the person who used the words 'all of the owners' not me...Not all the owners are  afraid to tell the truth about things.

I am get really tired of Trump's lackies limited ability to ever deal with the truth.  Trump is a racist.  He has proven it with a lot of things he has said and done since he has taken office.  People trying to prop up this 'Trump is for everyman' snakeoil really need to wake up.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 10:00:13 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 10:00:58 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Yeah, that's exactly why his approval rating is 40%, he's getting bashed left and right from NFL and NBA owners/players, and wait, "won in a landslide". What landslide?

And please don't give me this, "Fake News" nonsense.
which owners are bashing trump? Bob kraft, jerry jones, Stan kroenke, daniel snyder, shahid khan, woody Johnson, and bob McNair are all personal friends of trump. They've donated to him and voted for him. Which owner is against trump other than mark cuban ( aka the guy who always wants to be trump but falls flat)?

All my favorite players like Tom Brady also support trump, so no idea what you're talking about. I don't like lebron nor care about him. He was paid off by Hillary so he's obviously going to be biased.

The fact that all these owners are friends of trump is big. He has influence in the NFL and that must make the trump hating nfl fans cry at night. Probably wont be seeing kneeling from those teams. If we do see it, we will see fans walk out the stadiums

I found 3 sets of owners who came out against trump in a 12 sec web search.  There are probably more....

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/fl-sp-hyde-ross-trump-20170923-story.html)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/352087-san-francisco-49ers-ceo-trump-comments-contrary-to-what-us-stands)

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/23/new-york-giants-owners-john-mara-steve-tisch-donald-trump)
3 sanctuary cities hate trump. So surprised. So I found at least 7 and you found 3. Which numbers bigger? you said bashed left and right yet rhe reality is he's supported left and right by owners and players, and only a tiny minority of owners dislike him

What does it matter which number is bigger?  Your initial claim was that ALL of the NFL owners were Trump butt buddies and would intantly jump in line with him.  You make a lot of false claims but never really seem to back anything up.

What proof do we even have that the NFL owners you listed are in agreement with Trump about his latest tweets?  Is silence always agreement?  Where are the quotes from the owners that you listed? 

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 10:02:07 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 10:03:56 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 10:08:39 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
there's like 60+ million illegals in this country. You uhh... Realize that right? 3 mill is very possible
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 10:15:55 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)


Suppose there were some people voting illegally, for which there is no evidence for, but lets say there was. Who's to say they voted for Hillary? It is equally possible that they voted for Trump.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
are you talking about the same election offices that had mass voter fraud from their very own employees?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2017/08/ex-miami-dade-elections-worker-will-get-house-arrest-for-voter-fraud.html


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=nCrxeZwLyBI


Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
there's like 60+ million illegals in this country. You uhh... Realize that right? 3 mill is very possible


The number is actually 11 million, not 60+

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/25/undocumented-immigrant-population-united-states/100877164/

The likelyhood that all 11 million managed to vote illegally, and all voted for Hillary, is virtually impossible.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 10:20:39 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
there's like 60+ million illegals in this country. You uhh... Realize that right? 3 mill is very possible

lol you are into lala crazy land with statments like that.  So 50 state election boards are all colluding to hide the fact that millions upon millions of illegal aliens voted in the election.
give me a f-in break.

more likely that this had a bigger impact on votes than illegal voting.   

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/technology/facebook-russian-ads.html?mcubz=3 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/technology/facebook-russian-ads.html?mcubz=3)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 10:22:47 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
there's like 60+ million illegals in this country. You uhh... Realize that right? 3 mill is very possible


The number is actually 11 million, not 60+

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/25/undocumented-immigrant-population-united-states/100877164/

The likelyhood that all 11 million managed to vote illegally, and all voted for Hillary, is virtually impossible.
that is an estimate. Some other estimates are closer to 60 million. Thanks to Obama's wide open borders, no one knows how many we have

How is it visually impossible that 1-5% of illegals voted? Its very possible. 1 already bragged about voting 5 times for clinton. That's how "secure" our election system is

It allows for mass fraud from employees as well in clinton counties:  http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2017/08/ex-miami-dade-elections-worker-will-get-house-arrest-for-voter-fraud.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 23, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
there's like 60+ million illegals in this country. You uhh... Realize that right? 3 mill is very possible
Proof?  I mean real proof.  non-partisan proof.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 10:23:53 PM
This is the most frustrating by product of Trump becoming president.   He has given legitimacy to almost any crazy theory out there.  Because his followers can repeat the phrase 'fake news' like a pavlovian dog gives them the license to literally question anything, even if the facts don't support what they are saying at all.

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 23, 2017, 10:25:46 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?
you're unquestioning support of the first major candidate for POTUS that has been shown to repeatedly lie indicates that this would be your philosophy as well.  particularly considering the "garbage" you post here trying to pass it off as 'fact'.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 23, 2017, 10:26:03 PM
Most of the fans will be leaving the stadiums in droves if there is kneeling

 trump won in a landslide for a reason- this country stands by him

Didn't he lose the popular vote?
https://youtu.be/PyrHzQGQHt4
https://youtu.be/nCrxeZwLyBI

Man more garbage like this.  He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.  Good job with the trump conspiracy theories though...really super legit.
smh
so now facts are garbage. Interesting. The illegal alien literally bragged about voting illegally on tv. What part of that is a conspiracy? You seriously think she was the only one?

What part of 3 million votes do you not understand?  Do you seriously think there were 3 million cases of illegal voting in the US?

Trump tried to get the states to go along with his crazy theory and literally all of the state election offices said there was no validity in his claims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/05/kris-kobach-said-states-abiding-voter-fraud-request-where-states-stand/451763001/)
there's like 60+ million illegals in this country. You uhh... Realize that right? 3 mill is very possible


The number is actually 11 million, not 60+

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/25/undocumented-immigrant-population-united-states/100877164/

The likelyhood that all 11 million managed to vote illegally, and all voted for Hillary, is virtually impossible.
that is an estimate from a biased newspaper. Some estimates are closer to 60 million. Thanks to Obama's wide open borders, no one knows how many we have

How is it visually impossible that 1-5% of illegals voted? Its very possible. 1 already bragged about voting 5 times for clinton. That's how "secure" our election system is

It allows for mass fraud from employees as well in clinton counties:  http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2017/08/ex-miami-dade-elections-worker-will-get-house-arrest-for-voter-fraud.html

yup, within seconds of me posting my frustration of trump supporters pulling in the hail mary of the 'fake news' it pops up in an argument.
sad!
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 23, 2017, 11:44:37 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)

So sad! ::) :laugh:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

(https://i.gyazo.com/daf1ae2dc284665622be63a26158bc98.png)
Someone in the White House needs to take the President's phone away from him and keep him off Twitter. He looks more and more like a 10 year old internet idiot every time he posts.

It's amazing how accurate Alec Baldwin's portrayal of him was, isn't it?  "I’m going to set my alarm for 3:20 a.m. and go sit on my golden toilet bowl and tweet about it until completion.”     L m a o :laugh:.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 11:59:28 PM
"Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!"

That's a real president... Unlike obama who let north Korea get away with whatever they wanted
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on September 24, 2017, 12:16:27 AM
"Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!"

That's a real president... Unlike obama who let north Korea get away with whatever they wanted

Yes....because giving Kim Jong Un a disrespectful nickname like "Rocket Man" is so MANLY and BOLD......

Why is so often the "tough talking folks" are the ones seemingly less Combat experienced? I think after President Obama saw SO MANY Flag-drapped caskets coming home war became quite real to him - even though he didn't serve.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.20578.1313685549!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-funeral2-jpg.jpg)

We need to stop this phony narrative of President Obama being weak.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on September 24, 2017, 12:20:11 AM
Some random thoughts of of President Trump's last few weeks in office -

Over time I can see "some" of President Trump's angst against the media. Just last week I saw some outlets giving him and The First Lady some disrespectful comments.

I saw him giving a speech to some active duty service members and he didn't greet his wife with a hug and kiss. I thought that in a setting like that "Public displays of affection" is discouraged. I thought he and The First Lady handled it appropriately.

Some media outlets made it seem like he and his wife weren't getting along.

About Ms. Jamele Hill's recent comments about Mr. Trump - sadly he is not painting a different picture to defend himself with his speech about the NFL and GSW's Steph Curry tweet. While I don't believe Mr. Trump is racist he needs to present himself as friendly to ALL PEOPLE.....

I've said on here before that I respect Colin Kapernick's decision about kneeling for the Flag. And I am a retired Navy Veteran who happens to be Black. And I know quite well - after over 20 years of honorable service - what the Flag means to ME.

As for Ms. Hill's comments about his Administration being White Supremacists - I can't agree with her here. Mr. Bannon didn't present himself well but he is no longer in the WH.

Everyone else? Mr. Kelly...Mr. Mattis...these two alone I really like and respect. They are retired and respected Generals.

Mr. Tillerson...Mr. Pence...Mrs. Nikki Haley...not racists and I like them as well and think they are well-qualified.

I just wish President Trump would listen to his advisors. I'm hoping he has better days because the last few haven't been.



 

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: greece666 on September 24, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
LeBron's tweet got 1.1 million likes and 550k retweets. It is now in the top-20 of these two cats, and moving upwards.

Also, here is GSW's statement

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/911671699480879104

Here is a thread with all the players' (and in general the League's) reactions. They keep updating with new stuff.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/71z8yb/megathread_league_reactions_to_trump_comments/
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 24, 2017, 08:45:50 AM
What an absolutely stark and disturbing contrast: 
In the aftermath of Charlottesville, the President unnecessarily decides that he's going to find some good in the protesters.  At a time when he absolutely could have gotten away with calling a group of people SOBs (Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists) --  the  so-called patriotic "Americans" who came prepared for violence and aggressive provocation and who boldly slung Nazi slogans and anti-Semitic chants --  he instead comments (repeatedly) on the good folks who marched alongside them.

In Alabama, Trump unnecessarily (he didn't need to bring it up) decides to target Colin Kapernick and others who peacefully protest against what they believe to be mistreatment of Americans by kneeling at the national anthem.  He calls them SOBs who should be fired.  Further, he instructs fans to walk out of the stadium if players kneel.

He has left absolutely no ambiguity with regard to his feelings about people who kneel during the national anthem.  And despite belatedly renouncing White Supremacy, he has continued to find the good amongst the Charlottesville protesters.   He chooses to picks fights that divide America where he could use his pulpit to encourage important unifying conversation.

I am not one who believes Trump is a racist (despite my statements above), but the optics of what he is doing in the service of his ego and his base, is divisive, ignorant, and understandable fodder for those who claim Trump has racial bias.   He has been a disgrace as president and as a leader.  I hope somehow this changes over the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 09:20:06 AM
Some comments from NFL owners:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/09/24/the-nfl-is-going-to-war-with-trump-as-several-teams-have-condemned-his-attack-on-players/23220891/

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From San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York: "The callous and offensive comments made by the President are contradictory to what this great country stands for. Our players have exercised their rights as United States citizens in order to spark conversation and action to address social injustice. We will continue to support them in their peaceful pursuit of positive change in our country and around the world."

From Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank: "We are at our very best when we are working together, building unity and including everyone's voice in a constructive dialogue. Creating division or demonizing viewpoints that are different than our own accomplishes nothing positive and undermines our collective ability to achieve the ideals of our democracy."

From Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross: "Our country needs unifying leadership right now, not more divisiveness. We need to seek to understand each other and have civil discourse instead of condemnation and sound bites. I know our players who kneeled for the anthem and these are smart young men of character who want to make our world a better place for everyone. They wanted to start a conversation and are making a difference in our community, including working with law enforcement to bring people together. We all can benefit from learning, listening and respecting each other."

From Tennessee Titans owner Amy Adams Strunk: "I am proud to stand with our players and support them in their work on and off the football field. I completely agree with Commissioner Goodell that we are better off as a nation when we are unified and pulling together... Our players make public contributions day-in and day-out and when I hear anyone making disparaging remarks about them, I know it has to be the result of not knowing what they bring to our communities or what they have accomplished.”

From Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay: "“I am troubled by the President’s recent comments about our league and our players. Sports in America have the unique ability to bring people from all walks of life and from different points of view together to work toward or root for a common goal, and the Indianapolis Colts are proud to be a part of that tradition in our home city and state."

From Green Bay Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy: "It's unfortunate that the President decided to use his immense platform to make divisive and offensive statements about our players and the NFL. We strongly believe that players are leaders in our communities and positive influences. They have achieved their positions through tremendous work and dedication and should be celebrated for their success and positive impact. We believe it is important to support any of our players who choose to peacefully express themselves with the hope of change for good. As Americans, we are fortunate to be able to speak openly and freely."
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 09:27:56 AM
What an absolutely stark and disturbing contrast: 
In the aftermath of Charlottesville, the President unnecessarily decides that he's going to find some good in the protesters.  At a time when he absolutely could have gotten away with calling a group of people SOBs (Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists) --  the  so-called patriotic "Americans" who came prepared for violence and aggressive provocation and who boldly slung Nazi slogans and anti-Semitic chants --  he instead comments (repeatedly) on the good folks who marched alongside them.

In Alabama, Trump unnecessarily (he didn't need to bring it up) decides to target Colin Kapernick and others who peacefully protest against what they believe to be mistreatment of Americans by kneeling at the national anthem.  He calls them SOBs who should be fired.  Further, he instructs fans to walk out of the stadium if players kneel.

He has left absolutely no ambiguity with regard to his feelings about people who kneel during the national anthem.  And despite belatedly renouncing White Supremacy, he has continued to find the good amongst the Charlottesville protesters.   He chooses to picks fights that divide America where he could use his pulpit to encourage important unifying conversation.

I am not one who believes Trump is a racist (despite my statements above), but the optics of what he is doing in the service of his ego and his base, is divisive, ignorant, and understandable fodder for those who claim Trump has racial bias.   He has been a disgrace as president and as a leader.  I hope somehow this changes over the next 3 years.
Its very difficult to not see Donald Trump as a racist when he called Mexicans names during the campaign, defends white supremists and Neo-nazis in Charlottesville, and them calls black NFL players names and calls for the owners to fire them and people to walk out on them over a peaceful 3 minute protest each week. David Duke has even come out praising Trump's actions in Charlottesville. So even KKK members think he is racist otherwise they wouldn't have come out in support of him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: FatKidsDad on September 24, 2017, 09:31:36 AM
Add this to the list:

STATEMENT FROM PATRIOTS CHAIRMAN AND CEO ROBERT KRAFT
"I am deeply disappointed by the tone of the comments made by the President on Friday. I am proud to be associated with so many players who make such tremendous contributions in positively impacting our communities. Their efforts, both on and off the field, help bring people together and make our community stronger. There is no greater unifier in this country than sports, and unfortunately, nothing more divisive than politics. I think our political leaders could learn a lot from the lessons of teamwork and the importance of working together toward a common goal. Our players are intelligent, thoughtful and care deeply about our community and I support their right to peacefully affect social change and raise awareness in a manner that they feel is most impactful."
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 10:38:14 AM
Trump doubles down on NFL with another tweet this morning. Guy is just clueless.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911904261553950720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-15686216753506223698.ampproject.net%2F1506041909031%2Fframe.html

"If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!"
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: KGs Knee on September 24, 2017, 11:01:40 AM
Some comments from NFL owners:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/09/24/the-nfl-is-going-to-war-with-trump-as-several-teams-have-condemned-his-attack-on-players/23220891/

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From San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York: "The callous and offensive comments made by the President are contradictory to what this great country stands for. Our players have exercised their rights as United States citizens in order to spark conversation and action to address social injustice. We will continue to support them in their peaceful pursuit of positive change in our country and around the world."

From Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank: "We are at our very best when we are working together, building unity and including everyone's voice in a constructive dialogue. Creating division or demonizing viewpoints that are different than our own accomplishes nothing positive and undermines our collective ability to achieve the ideals of our democracy."

From Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross: "Our country needs unifying leadership right now, not more divisiveness. We need to seek to understand each other and have civil discourse instead of condemnation and sound bites. I know our players who kneeled for the anthem and these are smart young men of character who want to make our world a better place for everyone. They wanted to start a conversation and are making a difference in our community, including working with law enforcement to bring people together. We all can benefit from learning, listening and respecting each other."

From Tennessee Titans owner Amy Adams Strunk: "I am proud to stand with our players and support them in their work on and off the football field. I completely agree with Commissioner Goodell that we are better off as a nation when we are unified and pulling together... Our players make public contributions day-in and day-out and when I hear anyone making disparaging remarks about them, I know it has to be the result of not knowing what they bring to our communities or what they have accomplished.”

From Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay: "“I am troubled by the President’s recent comments about our league and our players. Sports in America have the unique ability to bring people from all walks of life and from different points of view together to work toward or root for a common goal, and the Indianapolis Colts are proud to be a part of that tradition in our home city and state."

From Green Bay Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy: "It's unfortunate that the President decided to use his immense platform to make divisive and offensive statements about our players and the NFL. We strongly believe that players are leaders in our communities and positive influences. They have achieved their positions through tremendous work and dedication and should be celebrated for their success and positive impact. We believe it is important to support any of our players who choose to peacefully express themselves with the hope of change for good. As Americans, we are fortunate to be able to speak openly and freely."

And yet Colin Kaepernick still does not have a job. It seems pretty clear to me these statements by NFL owners are just hollow words they don't really mean and are only saying to save face.

Personally, I just don't care about any of it. If someone wants to take the opportunity to use the National anthem to protest in support of some cause, that's fine by me. But I also don't have any issues with other people, including the President, speaking out against them. That is their right as well.

I don't agree with Trump's stance on the matter, but I just don't see it as all that important. I really don't care what athletes think about anything. All I care is if they are good at the sport they play, so long as they play for my team.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Greenback on September 24, 2017, 11:06:00 AM
What do you think of Steve Mnuchin's statements:... that NFL players can do freedom of speech on their own time...while of the job they have rules to obey, like tucking in their shirts, etc....and that HONORING OUR FLAG IS UNIFYING - not divisive?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 24, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
The Steelers WILL NOT take the field for the National Anthem today.

Trump isn't going to win a fight against the entire NFL and NBA. No way.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
What do you think of Steve Mnuchin's statements:... that NFL players can do freedom of speech on their own time...while of the job they have rules to obey, like tucking in their shirts, etc....and that HONORING OUR FLAG IS UNIFYING - not divisive?
I think each business has rules regarding just how far someone can go in exercising their first amendment rights before there are consequences. If an NFL owner wants to institute a policy of standing during the national anthem or you will see consequences, then so be it. If they don't want to issue that rule then players have the right to exercise their right to speech and protest.

And I agree with all that.

Personally don't care if they protest or not but think they have a right to protest. I wouldn't protest in that manner but that's just me. I don't force my actions on others or demand they do as I do.

And frankly, I think the President just shouldn't broach the subject. He has more important things he should be worrying about than NFL and NBA players protesting stuff.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Phantom255x on September 24, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
The Steelers WILL NOT take the field for the National Anthem today.

Trump isn't going to win a fight against the entire NFL and NBA. No way.

But looks like he's fine with the NHL lol.  :P

Penguins have announced they will go to the White House after their Stanley Cup Win.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: feckless on September 24, 2017, 11:58:49 AM
What a patriot our president is.  Oh how he reveres our flag. 

Actions speak louder than words!

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 24, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
NFL ratings have been down this year, does anyone think that is because the athletes politicized sports?  Pres. Trump of course, poured gas on the fire.  I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 24, 2017, 01:26:07 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? To Ali? What would we think if we saw this in another country?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 01:32:24 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 24, 2017, 01:45:41 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 24, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on September 24, 2017, 03:12:04 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?

Praising Castro?

Comparing police to modern day slave hunters?

Not even voting in the last election?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 24, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? To Ali? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

I want to point out that the President is coming perilously close to breaking (another) law. 

Quote
18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch.

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

He's not there yet (probably) because he hasn't taken an "official" act while urging that NFL players be fired for not standing during the anthem.  But, if he were to, say, order the military to not make their planes available for stadium flyovers prior to games...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 24, 2017, 03:48:41 PM
But her e-mails!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 03:53:19 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? To Ali? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

I want to point out that the President is coming perilously close to breaking (another) law. 

Quote
18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch.

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

He's not there yet (probably) because he hasn't taken an "official" act while urging that NFL players be fired for not standing during the anthem.  But, if he were to, say, order the military to not make their planes available for stadium flyovers prior to games...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227)

How does this clause apply to the above?

Quote
... solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation ...
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Bosstown on September 24, 2017, 03:59:32 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 24, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? To Ali? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

I want to point out that the President is coming perilously close to breaking (another) law. 

Quote
18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch.

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

He's not there yet (probably) because he hasn't taken an "official" act while urging that NFL players be fired for not standing during the anthem.  But, if he were to, say, order the military to not make their planes available for stadium flyovers prior to games...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227)

How does this clause apply to the above?

Quote
... solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation ...

Because the original comments came at a political rally for a Republican candidate.  Not to mention it's not difficult to see him tweet about a player and Obama.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on September 24, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.

Most white thing you can possibly say?

So who's bringing race into this now?

Are black athletes the only race on the field on Sundays?

He didn't say that at all, he said he wants to watch football to get away from politics for a few hours.


Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Bosstown on September 24, 2017, 04:17:02 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.

Most white thing you can possibly say?

So who's bringing race into this now?

Are black athletes the only race on the field on Sundays?

He didn't say that at all, he said he wants to watch football to get away from politics for a few hours.

It's just a prime example of white privilege.

Race IS a HUGE issue in this country and the fact you can even "Get Away" from politics and hearing about racial issues for a few hours is again white privilege.

That's the point.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? To Ali? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

I want to point out that the President is coming perilously close to breaking (another) law. 

Quote
18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch.

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

He's not there yet (probably) because he hasn't taken an "official" act while urging that NFL players be fired for not standing during the anthem.  But, if he were to, say, order the military to not make their planes available for stadium flyovers prior to games...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227)

How does this clause apply to the above?

Quote
... solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation ...

Because the original comments came at a political rally for a Republican candidate.  Not to mention it's not difficult to see him tweet about a player and Obama.

We don't even know the players' "partisan political affiliation", let alone if that's what "solely" motivated Trump.

Trump's an idiot for what he said, but this statute doesn't apply, and wouldn't apply under your hypothetical.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on September 24, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.

Most white thing you can possibly say?

So who's bringing race into this now?

Are black athletes the only race on the field on Sundays?

He didn't say that at all, he said he wants to watch football to get away from politics for a few hours.

It's just a prime example of white privilege.

Race IS a HUGE issue in this country and the fact you can even "Get Away" from politics and hearing about racial issues for a few hours is again white privilege.

That's the point.

Ok SJW...

I'm not white and agree with him

Do I have white privilege too?

Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: liam on September 24, 2017, 04:26:38 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.

Most white thing you can possibly say?

So who's bringing race into this now?

Are black athletes the only race on the field on Sundays?

He didn't say that at all, he said he wants to watch football to get away from politics for a few hours.

It's just a prime example of white privilege.

Race IS a HUGE issue in this country and the fact you can even "Get Away" from politics and hearing about racial issues for a few hours is again white privilege.

That's the point.

Ok SJW...

I'm not white and agree with him

Do I have white privilege too?

I don't understand what you are saying? You're not white so white privilege doesn't exist?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Bosstown on September 24, 2017, 04:32:17 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.

Most white thing you can possibly say?

So who's bringing race into this now?

Are black athletes the only race on the field on Sundays?

He didn't say that at all, he said he wants to watch football to get away from politics for a few hours.

It's just a prime example of white privilege.

Race IS a HUGE issue in this country and the fact you can even "Get Away" from politics and hearing about racial issues for a few hours is again white privilege.

That's the point.

Ok SJW...

I'm not white and agree with him

Do I have white privilege too?

No it just means you choose not to deal with reality that black and brown people have been dealing with systematic oppression since the inception of this country.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 24, 2017, 04:34:01 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?

Praising Castro?

Comparing police to modern day slave hunters?

Not even voting in the last election?

My point was poorly stated.  I was referring to the bigger picture, not Colin Kaepernick.  CK got the ball rolling, but today's issue is not really about him (or perhaps about him and many others). 

I am actually surprised you come out attacking the person exercising free speech.  I would think you would find Trump's statements reprehensible.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 04:34:01 PM
This thread is close to being locked again. Don't label / attack other posters.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 24, 2017, 04:39:49 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? To Ali? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

I want to point out that the President is coming perilously close to breaking (another) law. 

Quote
18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch.

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

He's not there yet (probably) because he hasn't taken an "official" act while urging that NFL players be fired for not standing during the anthem.  But, if he were to, say, order the military to not make their planes available for stadium flyovers prior to games...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227)
Regardless of what Trump says or tweets, ordering military planes not to be used for stadium flyovers would not break any laws.  He could also legally order the military to stop its advertising for NFL events. 

This law sites intent to influence employment decisions solely on the basis of political partisan affiliation.  Trump hasn't said any of these players should be hired or fired based on their political partisan affiliation.   Trump is an idiot and a liar but at least in this instance he's not a law breaker. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
But her e-mails!

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071)

I am afraid your post got a little lost...so a TP for you.

After all of the condemnation, all of the lock her up chants, and then Kushner does the same thing.  Even worse, the article makes it sound like multiple staff in the administration are doing this.

"The use of personal email accounts in the Trump White House has been somewhat common, even though the president has been a harsh critic of Clinton’s private email habits, frequently leading “lock her up” chants as he traveled across the country on the campaign trail."

Trump proves himself a fraud and a liar more almost every day.  Dare I say we are pretty numb to all this stuff at this point.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on September 24, 2017, 04:52:08 PM
I don't watch the games to see a protest, I want to see Football.

yeah and that's the most white thing you can possibly say. You're saying you just want to be entertained by black athletes, but don't give a [dang] about their social status in America. They can protest and do whatever they want it's their right as American citizens. If them peacefully protesting during the 3 minutes during the national anthem is so bothersome to you, turn off the TV.

Most white thing you can possibly say?

So who's bringing race into this now?

Are black athletes the only race on the field on Sundays?

He didn't say that at all, he said he wants to watch football to get away from politics for a few hours.

It's just a prime example of white privilege.

Race IS a HUGE issue in this country and the fact you can even "Get Away" from politics and hearing about racial issues for a few hours is again white privilege.

That's the point.

Classism is also a thing.  A white male from an impoverished and violent background isn't benefiting from white privilege in a lot of ways that others are; in fact, if they grew up in a highly dysfunctional family, they're coming from behind in a lot of aspects in life.  The notion of intersectionality is lost when people just yell at each other.  That's annoying to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: JSD on September 24, 2017, 05:04:38 PM
Again, I don't support Trump from a policy standpoint, pretty much a Bill Clinton who likes guns.... But the way he makes his (political) opponents do exactly what he wants, is pretty impressive. The man is a master manipulator, everything is calculated.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 24, 2017, 05:23:05 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?

Praising Castro?

Comparing police to modern day slave hunters?

Not even voting in the last election?

My point was poorly stated.  I was referring to the bigger picture, not Colin Kaepernick.  CK got the ball rolling, but today's issue is not really about him (or perhaps about him and many others). 

I am actually surprised you come out attacking the person exercising free speech.  I would think you would find Trump's statements reprehensible.
trumps statement of respecting the flag is reprehensible because why again?

And can articulate what Colin is protesting and how it solves anything ? Are the few potentially racist  cops going to suddenly stop being racist cuz a few football players kneeled during a meaningless football game?


Hint: blacklivesmatter and all these racial movements like kneeling against officers (many of which officers who's lives were in danger) were caused trump to win in a landslide. It creates more divisions and helps no cause
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
Enough with the white priledge talk, it has nothing to do with this thread.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?

Praising Castro?

Comparing police to modern day slave hunters?

Not even voting in the last election?

My point was poorly stated.  I was referring to the bigger picture, not Colin Kaepernick.  CK got the ball rolling, but today's issue is not really about him (or perhaps about him and many others). 

I am actually surprised you come out attacking the person exercising free speech.  I would think you would find Trump's statements reprehensible.
trumps statement of respecting the flag is reprehensible because why again?

And can articulate what Colin is protesting and how it solves anything ? Are the few potentially racist  cops going to suddenly stop being racist cuz a few football players kneeled during a meaningless football game?

Nice job moving the goal posts...
Trump said that players who kneel during the anthem should be fired and called them SOBs.  That is actually what he said.

A player who kneels during the anthem hasn't broken any law, and unless the NFL changes their player conduct policy (highly doubtful since I read that 24 owners basically went against the president today) the player wouldn't even be in trouble with their own team.

Trump is basically trying to police free speech, and non-violent SILENT free speech at that.

C. Kapernick isn't even part of this anymore.  He isn't employed by any NFL team and he wasn't part of today's protest and statements of solidarity by a big majority of NFL teams.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2017/09/23/nfl-teams-respond-donald-trump/697096001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2017/09/23/nfl-teams-respond-donald-trump/697096001/)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: JSD on September 24, 2017, 05:41:44 PM
Enough with the white priledge talk, it has nothing to do with this thread.

And also, it's a myth.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 24, 2017, 05:46:25 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?

Praising Castro?

Comparing police to modern day slave hunters?

Not even voting in the last election?

My point was poorly stated.  I was referring to the bigger picture, not Colin Kaepernick.  CK got the ball rolling, but today's issue is not really about him (or perhaps about him and many others). 

I am actually surprised you come out attacking the person exercising free speech.  I would think you would find Trump's statements reprehensible.
trumps statement of respecting the flag is reprehensible because why again?

And can articulate what Colin is protesting and how it solves anything ? Are the few potentially racist  cops going to suddenly stop being racist cuz a few football players kneeled during a meaningless football game?

Nice job moving the goal posts...
Trump said that players who kneel during the anthem should be fired and called them SOBs.  That is actually what he said.

A player who kneels during the anthem hasn't broken any law, and unless the NFL changes their player conduct policy (highly doubtful since I read that 24 owners basically went against the president today) the player wouldn't even be in trouble with their own team.

Trump is basically trying to police free speech, and non-violent SILENT free speech at that.

C. Kapernick isn't even part of this anymore.  He isn't employed by any NFL team and he wasn't part of today's protest and statements of solidarity by a big majority of NFL teams.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2017/09/23/nfl-teams-respond-donald-trump/697096001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2017/09/23/nfl-teams-respond-donald-trump/697096001/)
you didn't answer any of my questions


1. How is trump saying that "kneeling is disrespectful and should be against policy" reprehensible? A lot of people agree with him and it isn't outlandish considering its against US code not to stand during the anthem.

2. What are players protesting when kneeling  and how does it resolve said issue? Racist cops will always be racist
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: JSD [color=green
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Enough with the white priledge talk, it has nothing to do with this thread.

And also, it's a myth.
WHAT PART OF "ENOUGH" DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: liam on September 24, 2017, 06:26:05 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 24, 2017, 06:33:49 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: liam on September 24, 2017, 06:46:40 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 06:50:34 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 24, 2017, 06:54:44 PM
When's the last time we've had high-level public officials demand private citizens be punished for peaceful, silent protest? Did it even happen to Smith + Carlos in 68? What would we think if we saw this in another country?

The guys who are kneeling have broken no law, Trumps demands are idiotic.  Just like it was idiotic for the white house (sanders I guess, but she doesn't say anything Trump doesn't want her to) to tell ESPN to fire Hill.

Doesn't the President of the United States have more on his plate right now to deal with anyways?  Starting a war with North Korea, 3 million people without power in Puerto Rico, major major crisis in Houston and south Florida after the hurricanes isn't enough.  Nooo that is not enough, we have to make time to offend millions of citizens.  Our president needs to resign.
you know what's idiotic? Believing that a guy kneeling and Wearing socks that depict police officers as pigs  is social activism.  That's idiotic

 (http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901-colin-kaepernick-socks-getty-zoom-3.jpg)

Stupid socks.  What else you got?

Praising Castro?

Comparing police to modern day slave hunters?

Not even voting in the last election?

My point was poorly stated.  I was referring to the bigger picture, not Colin Kaepernick.  CK got the ball rolling, but today's issue is not really about him (or perhaps about him and many others). 

I am actually surprised you come out attacking the person exercising free speech.  I would think you would find Trump's statements reprehensible.
trumps statement of respecting the flag is reprehensible because why again?

And can articulate what Colin is protesting and how it solves anything ? Are the few potentially racist  cops going to suddenly stop being racist cuz a few football players kneeled during a meaningless football game?


Hint: blacklivesmatter and all these racial movements like kneeling against officers (many of which officers who's lives were in danger) were caused trump to win in a landslide. It creates more divisions and helps no cause

You should read more carefully.  I was suggesting to RondoHondo that given his strong stance on freedom of speech, that I would think he would find Trump's comments reprehensible.

But... truth is, I find the SOB comment, in light of the "there are good people on both sides" comment, to be stark in the virulent dismissal of one and the effort to "find good" in the other.  So, reprehensible... yes.   A statement that he respects the flag would not be reprehensible at all -- it would be an American stating his high regard for what the flag represents. But that's not all he said.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: liam on September 24, 2017, 07:04:58 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 07:06:24 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....

Especially if it distracts from the russia investigation, his son in law Kushner using private email for US government work, inability to pass any meaningful legislation, etc, etc, etc...
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 24, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: arctic 3.0 on September 24, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-09-22/federal-government-notifies-21-states-of-election-hacking
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: GratefulCs on September 24, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-09-22/federal-government-notifies-21-states-of-election-hacking
in before "fake news"
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 24, 2017, 08:13:26 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: greece666 on September 24, 2017, 08:26:27 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite.

I quote a BBC article from August 3:

"US President Donald Trump has signed a significant piece of legislation to punish Moscow for alleged interference in last year's election. [...] Members of the US Congress wanted to turn existing sanctions, and some new ones, into law. Both houses have Republican majorities, the same party as the president.
The bill tightens existing sanctions around the ongoing situation in Ukraine and imposes new measures including some in response to alleged hacking during the 2016 election and others that target key Russian industries such as the railways, shipping, metals and mining. It would also bring in restrictions on companies doing business with the Russian oil industry.
It [the bill] means getting rid of sanctions becomes much harder, and the power to reverse the sanctions effectively moves from the hands of the president to Congress. Previously, the sanctions were introduced as executive orders, which any president has the power to remove instantly.
Under the new law, Congress must approve any request from the president to ease the financial penalties detailed in the bill. In order to waive individual sanctions, a president would need to submit a report to Congress outlining why it is in the national interest to take that action."

btw, the US cannot impose sanctions against the head of another state - although this euphemism is often used in the media. Sanctions are always at the detriment of another country and its people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40720673
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 24, 2017, 08:31:53 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-09-22/federal-government-notifies-21-states-of-election-hacking

The partisanization of what was at minimum a massive, multi-pronged attempt to attack America's elections by a foreign power is more appalling and dangerous than any dumb thing Trump has said.

I really wish more people could take a step back and imagine all of this happening around a candidate they have no strong positive or negative feelings towards.  Instead you've got complete head-in-sand denial by the bulk of one side and wild conspiracy theories and impeachment fanfiction by a sizable minority of the other. If we let this slide because the guy they backed gained the power to squelch it it WILL happen again.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 08:37:49 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite.

I quote a BBC article from August 3:

"US President Donald Trump has signed a significant piece of legislation to punish Moscow for alleged interference in last year's election. [...] Members of the US Congress wanted to turn existing sanctions, and some new ones, into law. Both houses have Republican majorities, the same party as the president.
The bill tightens existing sanctions around the ongoing situation in Ukraine and imposes new measures including some in response to alleged hacking during the 2016 election and others that target key Russian industries such as the railways, shipping, metals and mining. It would also bring in restrictions on companies doing business with the Russian oil industry.
It [the bill] means getting rid of sanctions becomes much harder, and the power to reverse the sanctions effectively moves from the hands of the president to Congress. Previously, the sanctions were introduced as executive orders, which any president has the power to remove instantly.
Under the new law, Congress must approve any request from the president to ease the financial penalties detailed in the bill. In order to waive individual sanctions, a president would need to submit a report to Congress outlining why it is in the national interest to take that action."

btw, the US cannot impose sanctions against the head of another state - although this euphemism is often used in the media. Sanctions are always at the detriment of another country and its people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40720673

Actually it is more nuanced than that blurb.  Trump signed it because he basically had no other choice.  For weeks the white house tried to soften / reduce the sanctions.  So much so, that lawmakers had to add restrictions on the president's ability to remove the sanctions.  Both parties were worried that Trump would ignore all the mounting evidence that Russia was behind the election interference and just remove the sanctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html)
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: greece666 on September 24, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite.

I quote a BBC article from August 3:

"US President Donald Trump has signed a significant piece of legislation to punish Moscow for alleged interference in last year's election. [...] Members of the US Congress wanted to turn existing sanctions, and some new ones, into law. Both houses have Republican majorities, the same party as the president.
The bill tightens existing sanctions around the ongoing situation in Ukraine and imposes new measures including some in response to alleged hacking during the 2016 election and others that target key Russian industries such as the railways, shipping, metals and mining. It would also bring in restrictions on companies doing business with the Russian oil industry.
It [the bill] means getting rid of sanctions becomes much harder, and the power to reverse the sanctions effectively moves from the hands of the president to Congress. Previously, the sanctions were introduced as executive orders, which any president has the power to remove instantly.
Under the new law, Congress must approve any request from the president to ease the financial penalties detailed in the bill. In order to waive individual sanctions, a president would need to submit a report to Congress outlining why it is in the national interest to take that action."

btw, the US cannot impose sanctions against the head of another state - although this euphemism is often used in the media. Sanctions are always at the detriment of another country and its people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40720673

Actually it is more nuanced than that blurb.  Trump signed it because he basically had no other choice.  For weeks the white house tried to soften / reduce the sanctions.  So much so, that lawmakers had to add restrictions on the president's ability to remove the sanctions.  Both parties were worried that Trump would ignore all the mounting evidence that Russia was behind the election interference and just remove the sanctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html)

I posted this bcs someone was disappointed that Trump did not impose sanctions "on Putin", a false claim on two accounts.

I am not interested in taking a stance in favour or against Trump.

Same applies if you think NYT is a better source for information than BBC.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 09:33:21 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite.

I quote a BBC article from August 3:

"US President Donald Trump has signed a significant piece of legislation to punish Moscow for alleged interference in last year's election. [...] Members of the US Congress wanted to turn existing sanctions, and some new ones, into law. Both houses have Republican majorities, the same party as the president.
The bill tightens existing sanctions around the ongoing situation in Ukraine and imposes new measures including some in response to alleged hacking during the 2016 election and others that target key Russian industries such as the railways, shipping, metals and mining. It would also bring in restrictions on companies doing business with the Russian oil industry.
It [the bill] means getting rid of sanctions becomes much harder, and the power to reverse the sanctions effectively moves from the hands of the president to Congress. Previously, the sanctions were introduced as executive orders, which any president has the power to remove instantly.
Under the new law, Congress must approve any request from the president to ease the financial penalties detailed in the bill. In order to waive individual sanctions, a president would need to submit a report to Congress outlining why it is in the national interest to take that action."

btw, the US cannot impose sanctions against the head of another state - although this euphemism is often used in the media. Sanctions are always at the detriment of another country and its people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40720673

Actually it is more nuanced than that blurb.  Trump signed it because he basically had no other choice.  For weeks the white house tried to soften / reduce the sanctions.  So much so, that lawmakers had to add restrictions on the president's ability to remove the sanctions.  Both parties were worried that Trump would ignore all the mounting evidence that Russia was behind the election interference and just remove the sanctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html)

I posted this bcs someone was disappointed that Trump did not impose sanctions "on Putin", a false claim on two accounts.

I am not interested in taking a stance in favour or against Trump.

Same applies if you think NYT is a better source for information than BBC.

I think the BBC is a fine source for news, and I never said otherwise.  Nothing in the quote that you posted is wrong, but there was more to the story is all.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 24, 2017, 11:32:34 PM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite.

I quote a BBC article from August 3:

"US President Donald Trump has signed a significant piece of legislation to punish Moscow for alleged interference in last year's election. [...] Members of the US Congress wanted to turn existing sanctions, and some new ones, into law. Both houses have Republican majorities, the same party as the president.
The bill tightens existing sanctions around the ongoing situation in Ukraine and imposes new measures including some in response to alleged hacking during the 2016 election and others that target key Russian industries such as the railways, shipping, metals and mining. It would also bring in restrictions on companies doing business with the Russian oil industry.
It [the bill] means getting rid of sanctions becomes much harder, and the power to reverse the sanctions effectively moves from the hands of the president to Congress. Previously, the sanctions were introduced as executive orders, which any president has the power to remove instantly.
Under the new law, Congress must approve any request from the president to ease the financial penalties detailed in the bill. In order to waive individual sanctions, a president would need to submit a report to Congress outlining why it is in the national interest to take that action."

btw, the US cannot impose sanctions against the head of another state - although this euphemism is often used in the media. Sanctions are always at the detriment of another country and its people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40720673

Actually it is more nuanced than that blurb.  Trump signed it because he basically had no other choice.  For weeks the white house tried to soften / reduce the sanctions.  So much so, that lawmakers had to add restrictions on the president's ability to remove the sanctions.  Both parties were worried that Trump would ignore all the mounting evidence that Russia was behind the election interference and just remove the sanctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html)

I posted this bcs someone was disappointed that Trump did not impose sanctions "on Putin", a false claim on two accounts.

I am not interested in taking a stance in favour or against Trump.

Same applies if you think NYT is a better source for information than BBC.

it's actually not false on any counts.
1) Congress took the action.  Trump signed because he really had no choice.  Congress took that action to prevent Trump from making things easier for Russia.
2) saying "Putin" in this context is saying "Russia".  obviously sanctions are against another country, not an individual. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 25, 2017, 12:15:49 AM
A quick conflict of interest.

http://www.fortune.com/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-usfl/
where's the conflict ? The USFL hasn't  existed for 30 years, and that article didn't have anything new that people didn't already know. More clickbait from mainstream media... Fortune literally copy and pasted from trumps  wikipedia

Trump always strikes back at anyone he has any perceived slight from. That is Trump's whole agenda. It's like stupid godfather.

Usually so, but regardless of his past involvements I think he would have been happy to pick this particular fight.

I think he's happy picking any fight....
Except with Putin
why exactly does he have to fight putin?
"fight" is probably not the best term.  substitute any of the following: investigate, castigate, sanction. 

instead, he's doing quite the opposite.

I quote a BBC article from August 3:

"US President Donald Trump has signed a significant piece of legislation to punish Moscow for alleged interference in last year's election. [...] Members of the US Congress wanted to turn existing sanctions, and some new ones, into law. Both houses have Republican majorities, the same party as the president.
The bill tightens existing sanctions around the ongoing situation in Ukraine and imposes new measures including some in response to alleged hacking during the 2016 election and others that target key Russian industries such as the railways, shipping, metals and mining. It would also bring in restrictions on companies doing business with the Russian oil industry.
It [the bill] means getting rid of sanctions becomes much harder, and the power to reverse the sanctions effectively moves from the hands of the president to Congress. Previously, the sanctions were introduced as executive orders, which any president has the power to remove instantly.
Under the new law, Congress must approve any request from the president to ease the financial penalties detailed in the bill. In order to waive individual sanctions, a president would need to submit a report to Congress outlining why it is in the national interest to take that action."

btw, the US cannot impose sanctions against the head of another state - although this euphemism is often used in the media. Sanctions are always at the detriment of another country and its people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40720673

Actually it is more nuanced than that blurb.  Trump signed it because he basically had no other choice.  For weeks the white house tried to soften / reduce the sanctions.  So much so, that lawmakers had to add restrictions on the president's ability to remove the sanctions.  Both parties were worried that Trump would ignore all the mounting evidence that Russia was behind the election interference and just remove the sanctions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/trump-russia-sanctions.html)

I posted this bcs someone was disappointed that Trump did not impose sanctions "on Putin", a false claim on two accounts.

I am not interested in taking a stance in favour or against Trump.

Same applies if you think NYT is a better source for information than BBC.

Greece, I think the problem is you don't have a complete understanding of how the US government works in general, and what specifically happened in this situation.  The BBC article gives some info from the day he signed the law, but it does not offer context about what happened up to that point, and what Trump's options were.

Congress, on its own initiative, passed that law with over 99% voting for it.  That's an extraordinarily high percentage voting for any law in the US.  Despite that 99%, the Trump administration had been actively telling them to not vote for it.  They voted for it in spite of him.

Once Congress sent it to him, he had three choices:

1) Sign it
2) Veto it (in which case it would require 2/3 of Congress to override him, but again, 99% voted for it in the first place over his objections, so that would have happened)
3) Wait 10 days.  If Congress adjourned before 10 days and he hadn't yet signed it, the bill would be dead.  If 10 days passed and Congress stayed in session, the bill would become law without his signature.

After Congress passed the bill, there was confusion as to what he was going to do.  For a couple of days, the White House claimed that they didn't receive the bill from Congress, which was a very weird claim, to which Congress responded "Um, yes, we sent it to you.  Stop lying."  Then they had the bill, and they started the waiting game (option 3 above).  Congress was scheduled to go on vacation, but a couple members stayed behind to keep the session active so he couldn't use that loophole (called a "pocket veto" in the US.)

Eventually, when it became clear that he couldn't get a pocket veto, and a regular veto would be overridden, he signed the bill.  But when he signed the bill, he also issued a statement saying A) he didn't like it, and B) he didn't think it was Constitutional.  These statements have been used in the past by Presidents to set up an argument that says they don't have to enforce portions of the law that they're signing.  It in unclear at this time as to whether Trump will do something similar in this case.  He's said he wouldn't, but he doesn't have the most trustworthy reputation.

So at the end of the day, yes, he did sign the law, but not before trying very hard to not have the bill passed, and then only after it was going to become law no matter what, and even then not without objection.

Here's an article from when the bill passed the Senate and was sent to Trump.  Both Republicans and Democrats felt he might veto it.  And also note he waited 6 days to sign it, despite, again, 99% of Congress supporting it.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/344221-senate-sends-russia-sanctions-bill-to-trumps-desk (http://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/344221-senate-sends-russia-sanctions-bill-to-trumps-desk)

He deserves virtually no credit for signing this bill.  He was forced to do so, and complained about iit.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: greece666 on September 25, 2017, 12:29:29 AM
@slamtheking

1. If so, your original message makes no sense.

2. If you want Russians not to have money for medicine and basic food products you might as well call them by their name.

I stop here because this thread is for domestic policies. If you want to continue the conversation, I will be (sincerely) happy if you send a PM.








Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Beat LA on September 25, 2017, 12:55:04 AM
Trump doubles down on NFL with another tweet this morning. Guy is just clueless.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911904261553950720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-15686216753506223698.ampproject.net%2F1506041909031%2Fframe.html

"If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!"

Sounds like "repeal and replace" - NFL Edition. ::) :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 01:05:02 AM
I'm with trump. I'm Boycotting nfl games. Tired of anti-police anti-flag kneeling

Kaepernick, who is currently without a team, told NFL Media last August: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."


I wonder if he knows what affirmative action, and how its the opposite of oppression
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 25, 2017, 06:35:43 AM
Quote
I'm with trump. I'm Boycotting nfl games. Tired of anti-police anti-flag kneeling

Kaepernick, who is currently without a team, told NFL Media last August: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

I think players have a right to express themselves, but I think folks have a right to leave or not watch their antics. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sliding-nfl-ratings-could-throw-networks-for-a-loss/

Still, I read online, that the league viewership are down 13% and 26% of those are to the protests or 3% of audience.  It is having an effect but not a huge one unless we have one of those situations  where people are not polling like they truly feel which has happened before with Pres. Trump.
 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 25, 2017, 08:28:09 AM
@slamtheking

1. If so, your original message makes no sense.

2. If you want Russians not to have money for medicine and basic food products you might as well call them by their name.

I stop here because this thread is for domestic policies. If you want to continue the conversation, I will be (sincerely) happy if you send a PM.
Actually this thread is for anything having to do with Trump. If its Trump policy its okay to discuss even if it has to do with his international policy
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 25, 2017, 08:41:18 AM
@slamtheking

1. If so, your original message makes no sense.

2. If you want Russians not to have money for medicine and basic food products you might as well call them by their name.

I stop here because this thread is for domestic policies. If you want to continue the conversation, I will be (sincerely) happy if you send a PM.
you're putting too much time and effort into picking apart a two line post for semantics.  I was only offering other words that could be substituted in someone else's post besides 'fight' when mentioning Putin.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 25, 2017, 09:37:49 AM
This whole football controversy would've been mind-blowing Pre-Trump. With all the scandals ongoing and the legitimate crisis around the world, this feels like the sequel nobody asked for. This is the Mannequin 2 of political gaffes.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 25, 2017, 09:39:37 AM
Trump continues to play on people's fears by trying to make this into a them against the flag thing.  I feel that people are way overreacting to this as a sign of disrespect to the flag.  People are kneeling, sometimes locking arms, placing hands on hearts.

This is miles short of burning flags which has been deemed constitutional but is clearly far more disrespectful than kneeling.  Trump once said flag burners should be deported, a bit extreme.  Now if players were running around with burning flags before the game, I would be outraged.

Trump is just doing this to fire up his base and make this more about him.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 25, 2017, 09:48:51 AM
Trump is just doing this to fire up his base and make this more about him.

There was a guy on the radio today that theorized Trump got into this whole mess because he wanted to tell a bunch of people in the deep south who already liked him something they wanted to hear, and picked a target he knew would play. Then...he took it too far.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: saltlover on September 25, 2017, 10:39:40 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 25, 2017, 10:45:05 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

He has no time to deal with Puerto Rico.  He's too tied up dealing with the real important issues like feuding with professional athletes/sports leagues on Twitter.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 25, 2017, 10:49:12 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

I'm curious about this myself. It could be that our territories are responsible for their own police powers. Perhaps FEMA funding doesn't extend there. It may require a specific congressional appropriation?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 25, 2017, 10:51:57 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 25, 2017, 10:55:28 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Nevermind.

Quote
Large amounts of federal aid began moving into Puerto Rico on Saturday, welcomed by local officials who praised the Trump administration's response but called for the emergency loosening of rules long blamed for condemning the U.S. territory to second-class status.

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/aid-begins-flow-hurricane-hit-puerto-rico-50055774
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on September 25, 2017, 11:09:31 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.


Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: indeedproceed on September 25, 2017, 11:14:25 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.

The Russia stuff isn't about race. Neither are his questionable business practices, obvious misogyny, terrible foreign policy..everythings, his utter lack of decorum, his inability to find good workers to power his administration.....

There's lots of stuff to talk about. Just this particular thing seems race-adjacent.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 25, 2017, 11:32:18 AM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.

The Russia stuff isn't about race. Neither are his questionable business practices, obvious misogyny, terrible foreign policy..everythings, his utter lack of decorum, his inability to find good workers to power his administration.....

There's lots of stuff to talk about. Just this particular thing seems race-adjacent.

Since Puerto Rico is getting Federal aid, I don't see how making this about race is accurate or helpful.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 12:55:02 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

He has no time to deal with Puerto Rico.  He's too tied up dealing with the real important issues like feuding with professional athletes/sports leagues on Twitter.
Puerto Rico is financially independent.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?
what are you saying? trump is now racist against whites? Puerto rico is 75% white. Houston is 49% white.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Donoghus on September 25, 2017, 01:05:53 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

He has no time to deal with Puerto Rico.  He's too tied up dealing with the real important issues like feuding with professional athletes/sports leagues on Twitter.
Puerto Rico is financially independent.

And your point being?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Surferdad on September 25, 2017, 01:06:42 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
he's one of the best in history. Maybe to crooked Hillary Supporters he's bad though. Thankfully that's a minority in this country. 2020 another trump victory
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 25, 2017, 01:29:42 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
he's one of the best in history. Maybe to crooked Hillary Supporters he's bad though. Thankfully that's a minority of people in this country. 2020 another trump victory
Try again.  Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 4 million. 
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: rondohondo on September 25, 2017, 01:31:22 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
he's one of the best in history. Maybe to crooked Hillary Supporters he's bad though. Thankfully that's a minority of people in this country. 2020 another trump victory
Try again.  Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 4 million.

And Trump won the electoral vote in a landslide. The only vote that matters....
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 01:31:49 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
he's one of the best in history. Maybe to crooked Hillary Supporters he's bad though. Thankfully that's a minority of people in this country. 2020 another trump victory
Try again.  Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 4 million.
the popular vote wasn't a contest, so how did she win? What was her prize?
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: chicagoceltic on September 25, 2017, 01:44:25 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
he's one of the best in history. Maybe to crooked Hillary Supporters he's bad though. Thankfully that's a minority of people in this country. 2020 another trump victory
Try again.  Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 4 million.
the popular vote wasn't a contest, so how did she win? What was her prize?
I think Tazz's post was pointing out that when you said "Thankfully that is a minority of the people in this country" that you, once again, are making things up and claiming alternative facts to be true.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: slamtheking on September 25, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?

You guys need to make everything about race I see.

Sad...

This is why Trump is going to be president again in 2020.
2020?  I'm not sure he will be prez in 2019, or even 2018.  Again? Ha! After Mueller kicks him to the curb, he's going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes?  Doubtful.  When you've been the worst president in US history, you don't re-invent yourself, you just fade away...watch his house-of-cards tumble, and step aside so you don't get caught up in the pile of xxxx that will be the avalanche of his downfall.
he's one of the best in history. Maybe to crooked Hillary Supporters he's bad though. Thankfully that's a minority in this country. 2020 another trump victory
based on what exactly?  I'm genuinely curious what your measuring stick for greatness is.

He's nominated a Supreme court justice that was approved because his party controls congress.  any other Republican that may have won that last election would have gotten the same results.  (this shouldn't have come to pass -- Congress should have at least vetted Garland when he was nominated.  He was qualified for the spot and nominated well within Obama's time in office)

I'm not aware of any other 'accomplishments' by Trump while in office.  help me understand where you're coming from on this rating of Trump
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: nickagneta on September 25, 2017, 02:22:55 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?
what are you saying? trump is now racist against whites? Puerto rico is 75% white. Houston is 49% white.
Just to correct your facts: almost every person born in and living in Puerto Rico consider themselves Puertoricans and Latino, regardless of skin color. I should know. I was married to a Puertorican for 28 years, visited relatives down there countless times spending weeks at a time there. And my exs family was white skinned on one side of the family and darker skinned on the other.

Puerto Rico is not 75% white. Its nearly 100% Puertorican.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
Shifting gears a bit: why is there virtually no response from the Trump Administration with regards to Puerto Rico? It is a true disaster that makes what Houston has gone through look tame by comparison (and that's not intended to downplay what Houston residents are experiencing).  There is essentially no way off the island, and basic services (power, water) will be out months even with an immediate and full-fledged response -- and it could be a year or more without it.

Is it because it's a territory?  Trump signals he'd be willing to go to war over threats to Guam, which is a much smaller and more distant territory, so maybe not.  Something else?

Fewer white people?
what are you saying? trump is now racist against whites? Puerto rico is 75% white. Houston is 49% white.
Just to correct your facts: almost every person born in and living in Puerto Rico consider themselves Puertoricans and Latino, regardless of skin color. I should know. I was married to a Puertorican for 28 years, visited relatives down there countless times spending weeks at a time there. And my exs family was white skinned on one side of the family and darker skinned on the other.

Puerto Rico is not 75% white. Its nearly 100% Puertorican.
Puerto Rican is not a race, its a nationality. Puerto Rico is 75% white.
Title: Re: Trump And His Administration (Day to Day Thread)
Post by: Roy H. on September 25, 2017, 03:02:22 PM
Too many quips and one-liners, too little substance. This thread is locked until nick, Dons and I can figure out what to do with it.