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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on August 16, 2017, 11:25:23 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sheridanhoops/status/897906465960316929
NBA source said today: "This will be LeBron's final season in Cleveland. He is 100 percent leaving. Relationship with owners beyond repair."
As someone else has said on here- The wheels on the bus are falling off, falling off :D
I'm interested in seeing if this speeds up the Irving trade process now.
With our new big 3 and all our draft picks, the east could be ours for a little while
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if he goes west, like everyone else, east will be in a all time worst shape.
but i agree, the cavs are done, matter of time and manner.
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NBA should do something to stop this.
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NBA should do something to stop this.
"basketball reasons"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sheridanhoops/status/897906465960316929
NBA source said today: "This will be LeBron's final season in Cleveland. He is 100 percent leaving. Relationship with owners beyond repair."
As someone else has said on here- The wheels on the bus are falling off, falling off :D
I'm interested in seeing if this speeds up the Irving trade process now.
With our new big 3 and all our draft picks, the east could be ours for a little while
The Cavs should waive him, keep Kyrie and tank. That would be the ballsiest move imaginable. I don't think he can block a waiver claim with his no trade clause, so any team with enough cap room could force him on to the team. Or he could sign for the minimum with the Warriors.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sheridanhoops/status/897906465960316929
NBA source said today: "This will be LeBron's final season in Cleveland. He is 100 percent leaving. Relationship with owners beyond repair."
As someone else has said on here- The wheels on the bus are falling off, falling off :D
I'm interested in seeing if this speeds up the Irving trade process now.
With our new big 3 and all our draft picks, the east could be ours for a little while
The Cavs should waive him, keep Kyrie and tank. That would be the ballsiest move imaginable. I don't think he can block a waiver claim with his no trade clause, so any team with enough cap room could force him on to the team. Or he could sign for the minimum with the Warriors.
Can you imagine that? :)
Cheers to the Cavs quick demise!
Though your plan gives them options moving forward, I would prefer a full on meltdown
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NBA should do something to stop this.
Why?
Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
As far as I can see it, his departure from Clevleand was a very high probability the moment Clevleand lost to Golden State in that near-sweep. It was cemented the moment free agency ended without a big name star coming Clevleand's way in a trade.
With Cleveland making no improvements to a roster that was already proven to not be good enough to even compete with Golden State, why would he stay?
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
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NBA should do something to stop this.
Why?
Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
As far as I can see it, his departure from Clevleand was a very high probability the moment Clevleand lost to Golden State in that near-sweep. It was cemented the moment free agency ended without a big name star coming Clevleand's way in a trade.
With Cleveland making no improvements to a roster that was already proven to not be good enough to even compete with Golden State, why would he stay?
because he would only leave to go and form another super team somewhere, and that is destroying competition in the league. Do we really want another season of basketball with a pre-determined winner in November?
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NBA should do something to stop this.
Why?
Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
As far as I can see it, his departure from Clevleand was a very high probability the moment Clevleand lost to Golden State in that near-sweep. It was cemented the moment free agency ended without a big name star coming Clevleand's way in a trade.
With Cleveland making no improvements to a roster that was already proven to not be good enough to even compete with Golden State, why would he stay?
because he would only leave to go and form another super team somewhere, and that is destroying competition in the league. Do we really want another season of basketball with a pre-determined winner in November?
Where is he forming a superteam? Unless he takes a serious paycut then the only 'contender' he could join would be a reformed LAL with Paul George. George, Lebron and Ball is not a superteam, it's not even as good as this Cleveland team.
Otherwise his options are limited. He could convince his buddies to all take the vet min I guess and join Houston. That'd be hilarious to watch...
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Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
I agree there is a "me" in Team when LeBron plays on your team.
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The Cavs should either stick it out for a year or look to trade Lebron to somewhere he can win this year so he waives his no trade clause. I'm thinking OKC might have a shout if they are willing to move wither Kanter or Adams as part of the deal. There would be an issue around tax for OKC this year though
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Why is it beyond repair?
What have they done that is so awful in last 3-4 years?
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I think LeBron needs his own area in around the NBA because folks are fascinated with him. Call it "Closet Cavs Fans" perhaps JK
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Why is it beyond repair?
What have they done that is so awful in last 3-4 years?
Yeah good question. Because they got rid of the GM that Lebron controlled like a puppet?
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Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
I agree there is a "me" in Team when LeBron plays on your team.
But the "me" is disjointed and backwards, just like Bron Bron 's career, with the "me" emphasized.
tEaM
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Why is it beyond repair?
What have they done that is so awful in last 3-4 years?
Yeah good question. Because they got rid of the GM that Lebron controlled like a puppet?
And the 25 yr old GM they have now can't be controlled by Lebron?
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The Cavs should either stick it out for a year or look to trade Lebron to somewhere he can win this year so he waives his no trade clause. I'm thinking OKC might have a shout if they are willing to move wither Kanter or Adams as part of the deal. There would be an issue around tax for OKC this year though
Are Kanter or Adams even net positives with their salaries? Kanter, a back up, is set to make $36.5M over the next two years, while Adams is starting the first year of a 4 yr/$100M deal. If OKC wants Lebron, they are going to have to offer a lot more than those two...and they don't have a lot more, other than Westbrook and George (which would defeat the purpose of trading for him).
You can pretty much go down the line like this with [good] teams...except, possibly, the Celtics.
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The Cavs should either stick it out for a year or look to trade Lebron to somewhere he can win this year so he waives his no trade clause. I'm thinking OKC might have a shout if they are willing to move wither Kanter or Adams as part of the deal. There would be an issue around tax for OKC this year though
Are Kanter or Adams even net positives with their salaries? Kanter, a back up, is set to make $36.5M over the next two years, while Adams is starting the first year of a 4 yr/$100M deal. If OKC wants Lebron, they are going to have to offer a lot more than those two...and they don't have a lot more, other than Westbrook and George (which would defeat the purpose of trading for him).
You can pretty much go down the line like this with [good] teams...except, possibly, the Celtics.
Well I guess the main positive is you keep Kyrie. At the moment it looks like neither will be there in a year. Kanter and Adams are both overpaid but they are salaries you can use in a future trade, Cleveland aren't coming under the cap for a while. Most importantly, if it is to be believed that Kyrie and Lebron can no longer coexist, you need to find somewhere that Lebron says yes to which is a very small list.
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I think LeBron might be different with BS as coach. Brad is well established now. LeBrons other coaches were not well established.
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Lebros is also well estabished.... 7 trips to the finals in a row......
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Lebaby is a joke...he thinks he god or something
Cavs should trade him and kyrie and rebuild
You dont have to do a complete rebuild, though I doubt Love would want to stay
Good for the Celts
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NBA should do something to stop this.
Why?
Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
As far as I can see it, his departure from Clevleand was a very high probability the moment Clevleand lost to Golden State in that near-sweep. It was cemented the moment free agency ended without a big name star coming Clevleand's way in a trade.
With Cleveland making no improvements to a roster that was already proven to not be good enough to even compete with Golden State, why would he stay?
He's brought at least one championship and multiple Finals appearances, not to mention year-round relevance, to both franchises whose jersey he's put his name on.
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It may not be a bad idea to keep Kyrie and see if Lebron will wave his no-trade clause to chase a title somewhere for 1 year then go to LA as a FA.
Cleveland could potentially get their version of the BKN trade, and Lebron wouldn't mind gutting the assets of the team he is traded to since he is leaving as a FA anyway. Somewhere like OKC for a bunch of contract dumps and future un or low protected picks, which could look like the BKN picks once George, Lebron, and Westbrook all bolt. OKC would get 1 year of true title contention.
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NBA should do something to stop this.
Why?
Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
As far as I can see it, his departure from Clevleand was a very high probability the moment Clevleand lost to Golden State in that near-sweep. It was cemented the moment free agency ended without a big name star coming Clevleand's way in a trade.
With Cleveland making no improvements to a roster that was already proven to not be good enough to even compete with Golden State, why would he stay?
well, he did manage to bring a championship to every team he ever played for as well. there is that to balance out the life sucking. ;D
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
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i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
pass
i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
and he is cheesy as well. the perfect walmart match. ;D
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
pass
i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
pass
i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
"sorry" but lebron isn't 28 anymore
did you watch the finals?
his offense was great but he didn't show up at all on defense
i don't want a past his prime lebron on this celtics team if he's still going to bring ledrama and hold the [dang] team hostage
i'd rather see our team grow like it has.
i just don't want someone on the celtics that puts himself above the team
your opinion is totally valid, but i just don't feel the same way
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
pass
i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
he isn't the best player anymore. Durant outplayed him. Durant also won finals mvp
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this is the same as what happened with Miami. Once they lost to the spurs in the finals, you saw that their time was coming to an end. Wade was deteriorating and they couldn't add anymore pieces due to the contracts they gave out to appease LeBron.
so he bolted to a cavs team that had a young star in irving, and just had gotten another #1 pick they could use to grab another star.
Now, we are in the same situation. instead of deteriorating we see Irving wants out. and the cavs cant make any more big moves because of the salary cap and contracts given out to appease LeBron like JR smith and Tristen Thompson. Now LeBron will leave them high and dry to go suck of a team with a young superstar and flexibility to add other players around him.
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This whole LeBron thing is fascinating. He is still arguably the only player in the world that could make any team an instant title contender. However, my intrigue revolves around the opinion of him in the forums.
On one hand, there are people claiming they don't want Irving because they can't understand why he would want to leave LeBron and a chance to go to the Finals again. They think Irving doesn't care about winning and must be selfish and a bad teammate.
When presented with the idea that LeBron is 100% leaving Cleveland in a year, there are people who want nothing to do with him, especially joining the team they root for. That he is the Walmart of the NBA and ruins franchises once he decides to leave.
We can't have it both ways. Are Celtics fans like Irving, where neither wants anything to do with Lebron anymore, or does neither care about winning? I, for one, would take Irving or LeBron in a heartbeat.
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Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
You mean the young talent that we will have had to trade away to get LeBron for the two year run (which may only be a one year run since he has a player option after this season)?
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This whole LeBron thing is fascinating. He is still arguably the only player in the world that could make any team an instant title contender. However, my intrigue revolves around the opinion of him in the forums.
On one hand, there are people claiming they don't want Irving because they can't understand why he would want to leave LeBron and a chance to go to the Finals again. They think Irving doesn't care about winning and must be selfish and a bad teammate.
When presented with the idea that LeBron is 100% leaving Cleveland in a year, there are people who want nothing to do with him, especially joining the team they root for. That he is the Walmart of the NBA and ruins franchises once he decides to leave.
We can't have it both ways. Are Celtics fans like Irving, where neither wants anything to do with Lebron anymore, or does neither care about winning? I, for one, would take Irving or LeBron in a heartbeat.
there are fans like myself who don't want irving for a different reason
IT is close to him imho. not as good but close. also IT has a higher team bbiq.
the problem is that to get irving you'd have to give up IT and probably a good young prospect.
i'd rather have IT and the prospect than irving
it has nothing to do with irving's desire to win or play with lebron
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Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
You mean the young talent that we will have had to trade away to get LeBron for the two year run (which may only be a one year run since he has a player option after this season)?
exactly
TP
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Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
You mean the young talent that we will have had to trade away to get LeBron for the two year run (which may only be a one year run since he has a player option after this season)?
exactly
TP
The question was based off of taking him next year when he opts out and is a FA. It's theoretical based of an opinion would you want Lebron on your team yes or no. I'm not saying I want the C's to trade the farm to get him. I'm stating that if LBJ came to the C's and said I will sign with you for the full MLE or trading the lakers pick for 2 years of LBJ would you take him on your team. My answer was yes. Now if you pose the question would I trade Brown, Tatum, Smart, Picks for 1 year of LBJ then I agree I would not be on board with that.
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Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
You mean the young talent that we will have had to trade away to get LeBron for the two year run (which may only be a one year run since he has a player option after this season)?
exactly
TP
The question was based off of taking him next year when he opts out and is a FA. It's theoretical based of an opinion would you want Lebron on your team yes or no. I'm not saying I want the C's to trade the farm to get him. I'm stating that if LBJ came to the C's and said I will sign with you for the full MLE or trading the lakers pick for 2 years of LBJ would you take him on your team. My answer was yes. Now if you pose the question would I trade Brown, Tatum, Smart, Picks for 1 year of LBJ then I agree I would not be on board with that.
well there's no way he's taking the mle. that's not how he rolls
so realistically we'd have to clear a lot of space. we'd have to give away horford or hayward. and that would NOT be a good look after FINALLY getting top free agents to sign here
and that 1 year he is here we'd still have to bank on some miracle to win it all
lebron brings a kind of culture that is very un-celtic. i'm just personally not ok with that
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
pass
i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
he isn't the best player anymore. Durant outplayed him. Durant also won finals mvp
A number of years ago I was on a team that finished 2nd in the league and lost by one point at the buzzer to lose the championship (this was devastating at the time) to a team full of very talented players. I was by far the best player on my team and led the league in several categories (including points and rebounds), but lost MVP to a player on the winning team. The next year, I was lucky enough to get drafted with two other fantastic players, along with several very good role players. We easily obtained the #1 seed, won the championship handily, and was rewarded with league MVP.
Basically what I am saying is, we all know the player that Durant is. Just because he joined up with the winningest team in NBA history and [unsurprisingly] won the NBA Championship does not mean he is now better than Lebron. And even if he did 'outplay' him, it was a lot easier for him to produce at a high level because of the firepower on GS. I don't like Lebron as a person, but he is pretty clearly the best player in the world and we should consider ourselves lucky if he has any interest in joining the Cs.
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Makes you wonder if he'd join Boston. We'd be his best shot at winning it all vs GSW.
If they do blow it up id prefer Love over Kyrie.
pass
i'd pass as well
he'd turn our system into lebron ball
turn hayward into a role player
make us max out guys who aren't worth it
and then leave a year or two later on bad terms
lebron james is the walmart of the nba
he comes into your town. ruins the culture of that very town. and then leaves after a while, creating a giant hole that will take years to fill
edit: and like walmart, he's got all the things you need. passing, defense (in the past) scoring, etc.
Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
he isn't the best player anymore. Durant outplayed him. Durant also won finals mvp
A number of years ago I was on a team that finished 2nd in the league and lost by one point at the buzzer to lose the championship (this was devastating at the time) to a team full of very talented players. I was by far the best player on my team and led the league in several categories (including points and rebounds), but lost MVP to a player on the winning team. The next year, I was lucky enough to get drafted with two other fantastic players, along with several very good role players. We easily obtained the #1 seed, won the championship handily, and was rewarded with league MVP.
Basically what I am saying is, we all know the player that Durant is. Just because he joined up with the winningest team in NBA history and [unsurprisingly] won the NBA Championship does not mean he is now better than Lebron. And even if he did 'outplay' him, it was a lot easier for him to produce at a high level because of the firepower on GS. I don't like Lebron as a person, but he is pretty clearly the best player in the world and we should consider ourselves lucky if he has any interest in joining the Cs.
i think it is a toss up
this is the first time durant has stacked the deck
lebron has done it 2 times (coming up on 3)
lebron is a better player all time, but durant is showing how good he can be with an actual system in place
even if lebron is better right now, i think it's waaayyy easier for durant to slide into any team. he doesn't have to dominate the ball. he can shoot. he can still play D.
but then again i most definitely am a classic lebron hater ;D
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NBA should do something to stop this.
Why?
Lebron has sucked the life out of every team he's played for, and then left them dry every time once he felt there was no life left to suck out.
As far as I can see it, his departure from Clevleand was a very high probability the moment Clevleand lost to Golden State in that near-sweep. It was cemented the moment free agency ended without a big name star coming Clevleand's way in a trade.
With Cleveland making no improvements to a roster that was already proven to not be good enough to even compete with Golden State, why would he stay?
He's brought at least one championship and multiple Finals appearances, not to mention year-round relevance, to both franchises whose jersey he's put his name on.
You agree though getting Lebron at 33/34 with a one year contract is a lot different than getting Lebron at 25 years old on a 3 year contract or even Lebron at 29 with a 3 year deal... that is the main issue...
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Lebron is going to be the best or 2nd best player in the league for at least 3-5 more years. His conditioning and lack of any injury history are superb. He still scores at will and is rebounding and passing better than he ever has. His defense is still way above average.
I am not a Lebron fan but woould take him on this team in a heartbeat for several years if it meant only losing two of Brown, Tatum, Bkn 2018 or Lakers 2018/Sac 2019.
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Lebron is going to be the best or 2nd best player in the league for at least 3-5 more years. His conditioning and lack of any injury history are superb. He still scores at will and is rebounding and passing better than he ever has. His defense is still way above average.
I am not a Lebron fan but woould take him on this team in a heartbeat for several years if it meant only losing two of Brown, Tatum, Bkn 2018 or Lakers 2018/Sac 2019.
come on man...tatum will be dominating by then ;)
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Lebron is going to be the best or 2nd best player in the league for at least 3-5 more years. His conditioning and lack of any injury history are superb. He still scores at will and is rebounding and passing better than he ever has. His defense is still way above average.
I am not a Lebron fan but woould take him on this team in a heartbeat for several years if it meant only losing two of Brown, Tatum, Bkn 2018 or Lakers 2018/Sac 2019.
Lebron (or any player ever) will be the best or second best player in the league at 38? Come on man, that is just ridiculous. Conditioning, genetics or otherwise there are certain things about the body that can not be overcome with respect to aging.
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Lebron is going to be the best or 2nd best player in the league for at least 3-5 more years. His conditioning and lack of any injury history are superb. He still scores at will and is rebounding and passing better than he ever has. His defense is still way above average.
I am not a Lebron fan but woould take him on this team in a heartbeat for several years if it meant only losing two of Brown, Tatum, Bkn 2018 or Lakers 2018/Sac 2019.
You might want to shorten up that timeframe. The odds that Lebron is in the top 3 after 35 are very long against him. There's only a handful of players at even 35 who might be considered top 3 in the league. Jordan was awesome at 35 and then went to play baseball. Malone was great at that age but he was unique in an era that tends to be suspect regarding athletes of that age. Even an ageless wonder like Kareem wasn't quite as good and definitely wasn't top 3. In short, there's scant evidence that most anyone maintained that kind of level after 35. He'll be 35 in 3 years and has a tremendous amount of mileage on his body. I believe he may already be 2nd in All-Time minutes played if you include playoffs. There's going to be a drop off and it wouldn't surprise me if it were this year or next. Even his giant body has a limit.
I'm a Lebron supporter, which seems to be a rarity around these parts. The guy is a freak and has put on some singular performances over the years. I wouldn't mind seeing him in green but I certainly wouldn't trade for him. Lebron's contract is up this coming year. There's no reason to "only" lose two of Brown, Tatum, Bkn 2018 or Lakers 2018/Sac 2019. There's no reason to lose any of those.
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I stand by my statement. I think the increase in technology in physical fitness and dietary knowledge will allow him to be one of the best if not the best player for several years still. He hasn't shown even a hint of slowing down.
If Tom Brady can still be playing football at the most elite level in football, I see no reason why Lebron can't do it until 35-37 in basketball.
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I still do not understand -- and have seen no reasons why -- why LeBron's relationship with the owners is beyond repair. What reasons are being given?
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Sorry but if the best player in the world wants to join your team you take him. LBJ on the Celtics makes them instant contenders and a team that can rival GSW. If LBJ was with the's for 2 years then you can book two finals appearances. Sorry Hayward but you can take a backseat to LBJ for 2 years. When the run is done. Horford, LBJ and possibly IT are gone and the C's build around the young talent, Hayward and may have cap space again. Sorry but who wouldn't want that scenario?
You mean the young talent that we will have had to trade away to get LeBron for the two year run (which may only be a one year run since he has a player option after this season)?
exactly
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The question was based off of taking him next year when he opts out and is a FA. It's theoretical based of an opinion would you want Lebron on your team yes or no. I'm not saying I want the C's to trade the farm to get him. I'm stating that if LBJ came to the C's and said I will sign with you for the full MLE or trading the lakers pick for 2 years of LBJ would you take him on your team. My answer was yes. Now if you pose the question would I trade Brown, Tatum, Smart, Picks for 1 year of LBJ then I agree I would not be on board with that.
My apologies, I didn't understand that your plan was to sign him for the MLE. How silly of me. Yes, I would sign LeBron James to the MLE and deal with whatever disruption he might bring.
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Why is it beyond repair?
What have they done that is so awful in last 3-4 years?
Yeah good question. Because they got rid of the GM that Lebron controlled like a puppet?
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This whole LeBron thing is fascinating. He is still arguably the only player in the world that could make any team an instant title contender. However, my intrigue revolves around the opinion of him in the forums.
On one hand, there are people claiming they don't want Irving because they can't understand why he would want to leave LeBron and a chance to go to the Finals again. They think Irving doesn't care about winning and must be selfish and a bad teammate.
When presented with the idea that LeBron is 100% leaving Cleveland in a year, there are people who want nothing to do with him, especially joining the team they root for. That he is the Walmart of the NBA and ruins franchises once he decides to leave.
We can't have it both ways. Are Celtics fans like Irving, where neither wants anything to do with Lebron anymore, or does neither care about winning? I, for one, would take Irving or LeBron in a heartbeat.
there are fans like myself who don't want irving for a different reason
IT is close to him imho. not as good but close. also IT has a higher team bbiq.
the problem is that to get irving you'd have to give up IT and probably a good young prospect.
i'd rather have IT and the prospect than irving
it has nothing to do with irving's desire to win or play with lebron
This^
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LeCarpetbagger is ready to take the Legacy Show to it's final stop.
Certainly a great player... that is consumed by his own legacy, and literally sucks the life out of each team he goes to.
I just don't remember Bird and Magic acting this way.
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We're still in really good shape even if we get #1 and 4, or 2 and 4. Or just #4. But it would be funny to get the 1 and 2 picks while being in the nba finals
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LeCarpetbagger is ready to take the Legacy Show to it's final stop.
Certainly a great player... that is consumed by his own legacy, and literally sucks the life out of each team he goes to.
I just don't remember Bird and Magic acting this way.
Bird and Magic were on better teams than what Cleveland has had. In fact, the 80s Lakers/Celtics were stacked.
Was Lebron a big issue in Miami? I don't remember him being a locker room cancer.