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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Csfan1984 on August 16, 2017, 06:26:57 PM
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I don't think C's should bother with dealing for Irving. We should try for LeBron though. If Cavs are thinking long term dealing LeBron and building around Irving is the best move.
My offer would be Horford, Crowder and Rozier along with a non Lakers/net 1st pick for LeBron.
C's starters= IT, Hayward, LeBron, Morris, Baynes
Bench= Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Zizic.
Get a few vets to come in mid season after buyouts and maybe they can challenge Warriors.
Cavs team stays legit and probably still 2nd best team in the East
Irving, Korver, Crowder, Love, Horford.
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I don't think C's should bother with dealing for Irving. We should try for LeBron though. If Cavs are thinking long term dealing LeBron and building around Irving is the best move.
My offer would be Horford, Crowder and Rozier along with a non Lakers/net 1st pick for LeBron.
C's starters= IT, Hayward, LeBron, Morris, Baynes
Bench= Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Zizic.
Get a few vets to come in mid season after buyouts and maybe they can challenge Warriors.
Cavs team stays legit and probably still 2nd best team in the East
Irving, Korver, Crowder, Love, Horford.
Your offer couldn't get the Cavs to trade us Irving, nevermind Lebron. You would need to send salary, Tatum, 2018 Brooklyn and the LA/Sactown pick to land the best player in the world. Even if for just one year.
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I don't think C's should bother with dealing for Irving. We should try for LeBron though. If Cavs are thinking long term dealing LeBron and building around Irving is the best move.
My offer would be Horford, Crowder and Rozier along with a non Lakers/net 1st pick for LeBron.
C's starters= IT, Hayward, LeBron, Morris, Baynes
Bench= Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Zizic.
Get a few vets to come in mid season after buyouts and maybe they can challenge Warriors.
Cavs team stays legit and probably still 2nd best team in the East
Irving, Korver, Crowder, Love, Horford.
Your offer couldn't get the Cavs to trade us Irving, nevermind Lebron. You would need to send salary, Tatum, 2018 Brooklyn and the LA/Sactown pick to land the best player in the world. Even if for just one year.
The last two years has shown stars aren't even going for 50 cents on the dollar. It wont take that to get LeBron on a one year. The deal I said is best they could hope for. Its clear Irving doesn't want to play with LeBron. LeBron is rumored to moving on next off season.
What makes the most sense long term for Cavs, trade away a star that is young and under contract and look to rebuild with Love as the franchise star when LeBron walks or acquiring good players to stay in playoffs by trading away the star that is older and plans to leave anyways building around Irving?
Again who can offer Cavs a better package than Horford, Crowder, Rozier and a 1st? And that salary works for LeBron.
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Lebron is maybe the best player ever to play. Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Lebron. He's a genius. Literally a genius. And he basically guarantees you a finals appearance. He is worth even Brooklyn '18.
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This is the most far-fetched ridiculous idea for a thread I've seen on CB in a long time.
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This is the most far-fetched ridiculous idea for a thread I've seen on CB in a long time.
^This
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Who voted no?
We are talking about Lebron freaking James.
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I don't think this is even a possibility unless Lebron publicly states he is leaving Cleveland after 2018 and will wave his NTC to leave earlier
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Cleveland fully backs Kyrie (and the future) and isolates Lebron, basically 'forcing' him to waive his NTC.
In neither scenario can the Cavs expect to get a monumental haul unless Lebron guarantees he will sign on for multiple additional years; however, a number of teams would be very interested as it would give them even just one legitimate opportunity at a championship. Because of this, you would have to expect at least the LAL/Sac pick or more likely the BKN pick to be involved in the proposed package.
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I wouldn't trade Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. for a 1 yr rental I don't care who he is
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He's an aging player, and a ****ty GM/coach. I still wouldn't, unless we could somehow include moranis in the deal.
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How do people not get that LBJ has a no trade contract by now?
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In basketball terms, this is ridiculous. Cleveland couldn't do better for LeBron freakin' James? Um, yes they could.
In fan terms, sure, I wouldn't even want to see it. There'd be no joy in trading for LeBron. That's whole 'nother thing, though.
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1. I don't think this is even a possibility unless Lebron publicly states he is leaving Cleveland after 2018 and will wave his NTC to leave earlier
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2. Cleveland fully backs Kyrie (and the future) and isolates Lebron, basically 'forcing' him to waive his NTC.
In neither scenario can the Cavs expect to get a monumental haul unless Lebron guarantees he will sign on for multiple additional years; however, a number of teams would be very interested as it would give them even just one legitimate opportunity at a championship. Because of this, you would have to expect at least the LAL/Sac pick or more likely the BKN pick to be involved in the proposed package.
Maybe the first half of #1 has happened...
Chris Sheridan
@sheridanhoops
5h
NBA source said today: "This will be LeBron's final season in Cleveland. He is 100 percent leaving. Relationship with owners beyond repair."
.....if so, I can see the second half of #1 happening. If all of #1 happens, the Cavs keep Kyrie and go with the youth movement.
Bron Bron wants to win NOW. He won't approve a trade to a team that is weakened substantially from winning now by trading for him.
I REALLY don't like Bron Bron, but (I can't believe that I am saying this) I voted "yes". (The laundry, right?!?!)
God, I feel dirty.
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The sad part is Boston would be the PERFECT place for him to spend the next 2-3 years if he came here as an FA or forced a trade. He could slide right into PF with Horford at C. The East would be relatively depleted, so he would be a favorite to get to the Finals every year. Great coach, great ball movement, wouldn't have to shoulder a specific load, could just do all the things he is naturally good at and age gracefully.
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This is the most far-fetched ridiculous idea for a thread I've seen on CB in a long time.
Hey, it's August. Go back a year and look at the threads from this time.
It's the dog days of the off season. But tp to the op for trying.
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A thought I can't seem to shake lately is what if Lebron sacrifices pay for a legit run at Golden State? If so, we're the best and most likely fit. We all know Lebron is destined for billionairedom, if not already, is it that far fetched that he would say, hey I'll sign for the mid level to form a super contender rival in the East. Imagine we revisit Anthony Davis (I know, I know...), Lebron would be looking at a lineup of IT-Hayward-Lebron-AD-Horford, with a decent bench, that lineup smashes the W's. There could even be a sign and trade scenario if he prefers more dough and we ship out Horford and a pick.
Pipe dream? Likely. But with the current NBA landscape, crazy moves are being made. It makes more sense to me than going to LA and pairing with PG13 to get crushed by the Warriors for his final years. If he wants to add rings to his legacy, going West ain't gonna help.
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The fact that 1 out of every 4 voters is voting "No" means this is a good thread and reasonable debate.
I personally think it's INSANE that we wouldn't offer any amount to get Lebron... he's been in the NBA finals for the last 7 years straight...
I'd literally trade whatever it took to get him because it would essentially guarantee title contention.
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The fact that 1 out of every 4 voters is voting "No" means this is a good thread and reasonable debate.
I personally think it's INSANE that we wouldn't offer any amount to get Lebron... he's been in the NBA finals for the last 7 years straight...
I'd literally trade whatever it took to get him because it would essentially guarantee title contention.
If Lebron truly wanted to come to the Cs, he could easily tell the Cavs that he wants to be traded and that the only team he will agree to go to is the Celtics. Also, if they don't trade him, he will definitely leave next year so they might as well take what they can get (and keep Kyrie in the process).
I don't really see this happening, but it would certainly allow us to keep more of our 'assets' than if he hit the open market.
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The fact that 1 out of every 4 voters is voting "No" means this is a good thread and reasonable debate.
I personally think it's INSANE that we wouldn't offer any amount to get Lebron... he's been in the NBA finals for the last 7 years straight...
I'd literally trade whatever it took to get him because it would essentially guarantee title contention.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
You wrote this reply to a few posters. How is buying low via Horford, Crowder and Rozier tearing down the future? Also based on rumors LeBron isn't exactly looking to dictate front office moves in his next destination. It's rumored he wants a good family environment. Players and their families seem to like Boston so getting him here may sway him to commit here. So I would not see how clashing with Stevens or Danny or it being an absolute rental is a foregone conclusion.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
You wrote this reply to a few posters. How is buying low via Horford, Crowder and Rozier tearing down the future? Also based on rumors LeBron isn't exactly looking to dictate front office moves in his next destination. It's rumored he wants a good family environment. Players and their families seem to like Boston so getting him here may sway him to commit here. So I would not see how clashing with Stevens or Danny or it being an absolute rental is a foregone conclusion.
That trade wouldn't happen. In a tear-down, they'll be looking for high-upside youth like Tatum, Brown, and future picks. And while I haven't read the rumors, it's hard to believe LeBron is an entirely new person -- fresh outlook on life, all aspects of his career, etc.
He wouldn't just "clash" -- he's the clear decision-maker for his franchise. He also wouldn't wouldn't change our standing as the likely #2 team in the East (or Finals r/u). Trading him for potentially 1-2 more playoff wins, at the sacrifice of our future, would thus be stupid.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
You wrote this reply to a few posters. How is buying low via Horford, Crowder and Rozier tearing down the future? Also based on rumors LeBron isn't exactly looking to dictate front office moves in his next destination. It's rumored he wants a good family environment. Players and their families seem to like Boston so getting him here may sway him to commit here. So I would not see how clashing with Stevens or Danny or it being an absolute rental is a foregone conclusion.
That trade wouldn't happen. In a tear-down, they'll be looking for high-upside youth like Tatum, Brown, and future picks. And while I haven't read the rumors, it's hard to believe LeBron is an entirely new person -- fresh outlook on life, all aspects of his career, etc.
He wouldn't just "clash" -- he's the clear decision-maker for his franchise. He also wouldn't wouldn't change our standing as the likely #2 team in the East (or Finals r/u). Trading him for potentially 1-2 more playoff wins, at the sacrifice of our future, would thus be stupid.
Doesn't matter if you say the trade wouldn't happen the question is if you would buy low, it's a simple question answered yes or no. You can't go after posters using the logic of it will cost more in your opinion.
Now if you want to say no because you think he will destroy the coach and gm that's k.
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The thing is: LeBron goes where he wants, so let's not bother with trades or so. If he wishes to go somewhere, some room will be made this or that way.
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Nope, I would would not he has no loyalty but to himself. Dude is the ultimate mercenary in b-ball. He is the anti-Celtic pride guy playing only for himself.
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Nope, I would would not he has no loyalty but to himself. Dude is the ultimate mercenary in b-ball. He is the anti-Celtic pride guy playing only for himself.
Loyalty ??? in pro sports ????
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
You wrote this reply to a few posters. How is buying low via Horford, Crowder and Rozier tearing down the future? Also based on rumors LeBron isn't exactly looking to dictate front office moves in his next destination. It's rumored he wants a good family environment. Players and their families seem to like Boston so getting him here may sway him to commit here. So I would not see how clashing with Stevens or Danny or it being an absolute rental is a foregone conclusion.
I don't know where you have heard those rumors. Many more sources say that Lebron would prefer an LA team or a superteam in Houston. This is much more in line with Lebron than "a good family environment."
Tarheels is right that the Celtics would instantly become Lebron's team. He would be more powerful than Ainge and Stevens. He will always dominate over his coaches and he will never be able to help himself from getting involved with front office moves.
Trading Horford, Crowder, and Rozier (with no picks) looks good on paper for this year. We would be an awesome team. But I think it would really set us back long term from what Ainge and Stevens have established.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
Unfortunately defining "good value" is difficult. James is almost certainly a one year rental. I would be happy to start a trade with Horford (salary ballast) but then I would think that CLE would want a haul of young players and/or top picks. So here is the potential range of what we give up (I think I am being realistic):
1. Horford + LAL/PHI Pick
2. Horford + LAL/PHI Pick + Brown
3. Horford + LAL/PHI Pick + Brown + BKN 2018
4. Horford + LAL/PHI Pick + Brown + BKN 2018 + Tatum
I don't think the likes of Crowder and Rozier are factors at all in a possible trade for LeBron James. I don't think future Celtics picks (our own picks) or even guys like Zizic and Yabusele would add much but they could be added in to any of these packages as garnish if you want. Horford is the salary ballast and a decent player with value (who could be flipped by CLE for more younger players). We have assets, that is for sure but do we give them up for a one year rental of a truly great albeit disruptive player.
I just don't see "low" as being all that low so no, I don't see this happening.
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It may be old news (Jul 24, 2017), but it seems that LeBron has no intention of waiving his no-trade clause to facilitate a rebuild.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20140756/lebron-james-not-waive-no-trade-clause-cleveland-cavaliers
Sources: LeBron James will not waive his no-trade clause for Cavs
No matter the reconstruction of the Cleveland Cavaliers' roster, no matter the potential for heightened inner turmoil, no matter the win-loss record, and with or without Kyrie Irving, LeBron James will not waive his no-trade clause for any teams at any point during the 2017-18 season, league sources told ESPN.
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To me, the question reads: would you be willing to get a good value for the best player in the NBA?
Umm, yup.
I don't see how people would say no to this. We have nothing close to Lebron. IT is miles away from him.
You'd be replacing Ainge and Stevens, and tearing down a core that was being created for the future. All for 1-2 years of a rental that wouldn't take us an further than the Celtics now. Pretty horrible outcome.
I do agree with all of this. I think if the Warriors did not exist you would still have to probably accept the chance to take on Lebron because there would be a very good chance of winning a title in the next year or two with Hayward, IT and Lebron etc. However, given our team with Lebron would still be an underdog to the big 4 in Oakland, why would we give up Tatum and Brown to be a team with no high upside young players 2 years from now. It really wouldn't make any sense and could set up the team for a very lengthy rebuild starting a year or two from now.
I also think Lebron, and really great players in general, can be extremely difficult to manage as they enter their mid 30's. They are no longer the best player in the league, but they are often the last to acknowledge their decline in skills and abilities (many pro athletes across sports have openly discussed this). I definitely think there is a chance this becomes a big issue with Lebron in the next couple of years. (Also just so it is clear I am not hating on Lebron here, I am very concerned with this happening to Brady and the Pats in the next couple of years)
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Sure, I'd buy low on him. I'm just not sure Cleveland would sell low on him. It's not like Horford helps them much if they are going to have to rebuild.
But I do think that a year in Boston with a competitive trip to the Finals could get him to stay. It's not like either LA team would really give him a shot to win it all anytime soon.