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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on August 16, 2017, 02:56:58 AM
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Jerebko hustled but his drives to hoop were painful,he had to be wide open to shoot threes as his release was so slow,
At times amir seemed so brittle he would shatter',sooo slow from three,
Kelly got stuck in the paint at times sooo clumsy
No lift,short wingspan,poor rebounder
Zeller had such a good perimeter shot a couple years ago,he also had a deadly flip hook right and left and he ran the court-he just regressed and lost confidence
From tapes, morris looks to be just what we haven't had a power forward that can shoot threes post up,hit mid-range and maybe rebound.
And he is tough,smooth forward that is easy to watch.
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Exactly. TP to the OP, Morris is a combo forward that can be a very good super sub or even starter if we go small.
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I thought Gerald Green was just what we needed :D
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Exactly. TP to the OP, Morris is a combo forward that can be a very good super sub or even starter if we go small.
I expect this team will go small more often than you might think. They are still a small team overall. Morris should take minutes from Crowder when CBS wants more firepower on the court. A lineup of IT, Hayward, Crowder, Morris and Horford will create some interesting matchup problems for other teams.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
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Exactly. TP to the OP, Morris is a combo forward that can be a very good super sub or even starter if we go small.
I expect this team will go small more often than you might think. They are still a small team overall. Morris should take minutes from Crowder when CBS wants more firepower on the court. A lineup of IT, Hayward, Crowder, Morris and Horford will create some interesting matchup problems for other teams.
And will cause some interesting ones for us as well, I'm tired od getting outrebounded, even more so now that we have the size to play at C in Baynes and Zizic.
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I thought Gerald Green was just what we needed :D
I was thinking the same thing.
Maybe Green is a stiletto to Morris' weapon of mass destruction. Rollie, can you talk as to what happened to Green and why he is no longer on the C's or on any NBA roster for that matter?
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I guess Morris' biggest plus for me is that he's supposedly a very good defender on LeBUM.
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If you hadn't noticed the celts have gotten longer and more athletic and they all can shoot-
Last year-kelly,jerebko,zeller ,james young,
A stiletto is not a swiss army knife,but a quick opening weapon designed to penetrate-green could create quickly and had length and athleticism only matched by Jaylen
celts wouldn't have beaten chicago without him-jaylen got his playing time and he was a perfect teammate-
now you got it in for morris-tell him to his face!!!!
green served his purpose-remember your options james young
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Exactly. TP to the OP, Morris is a combo forward that can be a very good super sub or even starter if we go small.
I expect this team will go small more often than you might think. They are still a small team overall. Morris should take minutes from Crowder when CBS wants more firepower on the court. A lineup of IT, Hayward, Crowder, Morris and Horford will create some interesting matchup problems for other teams.
And will cause some interesting ones for us as well, I'm tired od getting outrebounded, even more so now that we have the size to play at C in Baynes and Zizic.
So, I just think this is an old school way of looking at it. NBA is changing and tends to be a "copy-cat" league. EXHIBIT ONE: GSW. Great shooters obviously, solid defense plus enough rebounding to get by.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
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I don't get why Morris is considered only a "small ball" PF. Here are some players and their pre-draft without shoes measurements:
Crowder 6' 4.75"
Morris 6' 7.00"
Love 6' 7.75"
Sullinger 6' 7.75"
Horford 6' 8.75"
Yes, he is just what we need, a PF. I guess Baynes and Horford could be the starters but I would be surprised. I think our starting and most featured bigs will be Morris and Horford. And if you like standing reach (which may be a better indicator of length):
Crowder 8' 3.50"
Morris 8' 9.50"
Love 8' 10.0"
Sullinger 8' 9.75"
Horford 8' 11.0"
Still I see many line ups that have Crowder playing PF. Crowder is undersized for SF, much less a PF. Morris may be a tad below ideal for PF but Sullinger and Horford are considered PF/C. Love is clearly considered a PF. But not Morris? I admit I am not all that familiar with his game but I don't see why we would need to play him anywhere but PF.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
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Yes, he is just what we need, a PF. I guess Baynes and Horford could be the starters but I would be surprised.
I would, too. Horford was not great at guarding out on the floor, and with Baynes that makes two of them. I count Baynes as 8th man, coming in for Horford, until Tatum gets into the rotation - maybe even after he does.
Still I see many line ups that have Crowder playing PF. Crowder is undersized for SF, much less a PF. Morris may be a tad below ideal for PF but Sullinger and Horford are considered PF/C.
Yes, Crowder is undersized at 4. In addition to Morris, though, Boston has added Tatum and Ojeleye. Those guys' inexperience, and in Tatum's case the need to put on weight, will make Morris the prohibitive favorite at swing to begin the year.
Note the opportunity available to Ojeleye to get into the rotation. But Crowder is the "incumbent". Boston has a lack of quality bigs - so maybe Crowder gets some backup minutes at swing, especially in the early part of the year.
I count Crowder as 7th man (or 6th - it makes a lot of sense to bring him in with Smart, since he makes up for Smart's shooting deficiencies). So - Crowder comes in for Morris and Smart for Brown?
... Morris? I admit I am not all that familiar with his game but I don't see why we would need to play him anywhere but PF.
I agree. The acquisition of Hayward, the retention of Crowder, and the emergence of Brown will decrease the available minutes at the wings, and that's before Tatum comes online - as he surely will.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
Thread after thread and i don't think i ever stated he would be one of the celtics best players-i referenced his contribution along with isaiah, as a highly ranked duo in western conference-his attempts to play defence in miami and how good he could be with isaiah in transition-i purposely called him a stilleto to be used by Brad not to be confused with a butter knife-i
I quoted brad several times and how much he feared green-as the celtics had so littlle length and guys that could jump. I was looking forward to some speed and above the rim play in transition with isaiah
It must have made some impact for you to remember even incorrectly -i read every article,viewed every tape i could find and green was exciting and can get hot fast and can create his shot when everybody else is stagnating-
Morris has averaged 14 points a game,spreads the court is the best defender of lebron, a tough guy and after kelly,sully ,jerebko ,zreller amir and james young just what the celts need and priced right for the next two years
-there are times i wonder, how the celts did it-opps isaiah did it-
if jaylen didn't make the strides he did last season,green was going to be the only offensive spark plug the celts had off the bench-i don't think i ever stated he was going to be one of the celtics best players -but probably hoped the chemistry with isaiah could be rekindled
you must have a rolodex of resentments, so your pulled one out and i think exaggerated and were confused by my short term exuberance.
I also thought that jerebko would shoot better after a summer season working on his shot.He even had a gym in his house but he didn't .
I liked Nader his length and use of either hand and he could shoot and get to the hoop left and right unlike james young.But that was before we acquired so much wing talent
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I can't wait to see Morris on the floor and I hope his does not get suspended due to his trial.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
Thread after thread and i don't think i ever stated he would be one of the celtics best players-i referenced his contribution along with isaiah, as a highly ranked duo in western conference-his attempts to play defence in miami and how good he could be with isaiah in transition
This part is simply not true. Thomas only played 46 games with the Suns. In fact, Thomas only averaged 25 mpg, while Green was only at 19 mpg. They were NOT a highly ranked duo.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
Thread after thread and i don't think i ever stated he would be one of the celtics best players-i referenced his contribution along with isaiah, as a highly ranked duo in western conference-his attempts to play defence in miami and how good he could be with isaiah in transition
This part is simply not true. Thomas only played 46 games with the Suns. In fact, Thomas only averaged 25 mpg, while Green was only at 19 mpg. They were NOT a highly ranked duo.
They did average 16 minutes a night together though and definitely were effective and had some great chemistry:
Which makes it odd that, outside of a small pocket of basketball fans, the Isaiah Thomas and Gerald Green bench unit for the Phoenix Suns is getting such little attention.
Green and Thomas average about 16 minutes per night together for the Suns, typically in the second and fourth quarters and when they enter there is only one guarantee. One of the two is probably shooting the ball.
So far this season the two are launching a combined 37.5 shots per 36 minutes with Green at an astounding 20.5 and Thomas at 17, both career highs. There are threes (15.8 per 36 minutes combined), dunks (check out this alley oop connection between the two) and foul shots. There are dumb shots, good shots and everything in between. Mostly though there is fun.
It all came to a head on Thursday against the Nets, when Green and Thomas combined for 49 points on 28 shots in a come-from-behind 112-104 Suns win. Like a few nights this season it started with Green who finished with 28 points. After a few buckets from Green to help the Suns get back into the game, Thomas seemed to just steal the fire right from his teammates hands, as he poured in 17 of his 21 points in the second half, with Green seeming more than happy to allow his teammate to work.
That is what makes the pairing work so well, a willingness by two gunners to share the spotlight, and it shows in their numbers. With Thomas off the floor, Green’s field goal percentage drops from 41.9 percent to 38.5 percent, while Thomas sees an even more massive jump from 29.3 percent shooting with Green on the bench to 53.4 percent when the duo share the floor.
The Suns are still trying to figure things out as a team as they have stumbled out to a 5-5 start while trying to adjust to life without Channing Frye and incorporate Thomas into a crowded guard rotation.
But one thing seems clear. Keep
Gerald Green and Isaiah Thomas together. More people should get a chance to experience the fun of dual gunners and the pair clearly has something special working.
https://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2014/11/18/gerald-green-isaiah-thomas-bench-pairing-deserves-attention/
That team had 4 good guards so IT's (the Suns obviously didn't think that highly of him...thankfully) and Green's PT wasn't starter minutes, but they were very effective together.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
I found it dumb, esp since rollie never stated that Green was going to be one of our best players. He has stated he will be a contributor and one of the important part of our lockerroom and his addition was underrated.
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Interesting to see if his rebounding numbers go up.
Also if he starts a fight at one point.
Otherwise he is just a decent vet. Hope to see more Theis, Tatum, and the Truck to be honest.
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TP to Rollie for looking ahead in a positive light.
And another TP for "Rolodex of Resentments".
I've never heard that but hope to use it on someone someday.
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I don't get why Morris is considered only a "small ball" PF. Here are some players and their pre-draft without shoes measurements:
Crowder 6' 4.75"
Morris 6' 7.00"
Love 6' 7.75"
Sullinger 6' 7.75"
Horford 6' 8.75"
Yes, he is just what we need, a PF. I guess Baynes and Horford could be the starters but I would be surprised. I think our starting and most featured bigs will be Morris and Horford. And if you like standing reach (which may be a better indicator of length):
Crowder 8' 3.50"
Morris 8' 9.50"
Love 8' 10.0"
Sullinger 8' 9.75"
Horford 8' 11.0"
Still I see many line ups that have Crowder playing PF. Crowder is undersized for SF, much less a PF. Morris may be a tad below ideal for PF but Sullinger and Horford are considered PF/C. Love is clearly considered a PF. But not Morris? I admit I am not all that familiar with his game but I don't see why we would need to play him anywhere but PF.
Just because a player has the size to be a power forward doesnt make him one.
He has never been a good rebounder and hes had by FAR the best years of his career playing the 3.
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Exactly. TP to the OP, Morris is a combo forward that can be a very good super sub or even starter if we go small.
I expect this team will go small more often than you might think. They are still a small team overall. Morris should take minutes from Crowder when CBS wants more firepower on the court. A lineup of IT, Hayward, Crowder, Morris and Horford will create some interesting matchup problems for other teams.
And will cause some interesting ones for us as well, I'm tired od getting outrebounded, even more so now that we have the size to play at C in Baynes and Zizic.
So, I just think this is an old school way of looking at it. NBA is changing and tends to be a "copy-cat" league. EXHIBIT ONE: GSW. Great shooters obviously, solid defense plus enough rebounding to get by.
We have the 1st two down but I'm really skeptical whether a Morris-Horford frontcourt provides "enough rebounding to get by".
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
Thread after thread and i don't think i ever stated he would be one of the celtics best players-i referenced his contribution along with isaiah, as a highly ranked duo in western conference-his attempts to play defence in miami and how good he could be with isaiah in transition
This part is simply not true. Thomas only played 46 games with the Suns. In fact, Thomas only averaged 25 mpg, while Green was only at 19 mpg. They were NOT a highly ranked duo.
At one time they were ranked number 1 duo off bench with 28 point average-sorry didn't make that up. i was in print in several articles along with how exciting they were to watch together in transition. Isaiah at 15 points Green 14-Isaiah was also quoted multiple times saying he was" definitely going to help"-said a "knockdown shooter, athletic and can create"-just went back a re read articles
"The number one duo off bench at 28.9" --from print
Back to Marcus Morris not only does he fit a need and is an upgrade to several players leaving-he has a definite trade value,he spreads the floor,brad is NOW his coach ,gives lebron trouble,will be more efficient with celtics, a cheap contract and van gundy didn't like giving him up.
Morris was probably not rebound motivated as detroits big was given that area and so good at it and could possibly been protective off his stat line.
But we came out with a player in prime that could easily become more efficient with celtics,plays good defense and matches up well against lebron and can play multiple positions-
Fits well with Marcus Crowder,Rozier,
CONTRACT FIT-2 YEARS CHEAP and easy to trade
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Morris was very durable and was Detroits bailout guy that was sneakily a high volume shooter and was very inefficient because of that >There were some really strong stats that got lost in his inefficiency.Brad strength is in spotting good and bad match ups and his adjustments make players better.
Nobody is saying morris is great but he has attributes that Brad can focus on while minimizing areas and matchups that are inefficient.There will be bailout guys on first team and the 2nd team may need that.Maybe he will feast on our 2nd team with its young talent vs other teams bench players.
Morris in many ways reminds me of Turner in that Brad can bring out the best as he did with Turner and others.
For two years morris was a constant starter because of durability and there was nobody pressuring his minutes and it was just very convenient.With brad sometimes good is great-having morris on catch and shoots and corner threes and is upgrade to Jerebko.
Who also had his moments with brads direction
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For me it's simple.
Morris gives us length and that was a need.
He gives us above average NBA rotation level performance at the 3 or 4.
He will get plenty of minutes unless he really bombs but I don't see that.
Doesn't matter if he starts or not, Brad will find him a place and get the best out of him if any coach can.
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Brad also has the gift of making players better! Morris should become more efficient have cleaner more open corner threes-
Whats this got to do with green -A snarky comment
" Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-quote from JACK
Green did his job during playoffs he was one of the few who created their own offense
We have a lot of shooters now
Green had a great attitude and helped Jaylen
he was a good vet to have around
I love this. Moiso bringing up Gerald Green was dumb. If it was an attempt at humor, it flopped. Yuuge flop. Very sad Moiso.
I liked Green for what he did. I also think Morris will be good for what he was brought in to do. I love how the Morris twins play with toughness. Lebron might get his 40 points, but Morris is going to get him in the ribs or somewhere else a couple times during the process.
I found it hilarious after reading thread after thread from the OP how Green was going to be one of the Celtics best players and exactly what the C's needed last offseason.
I like Rollie and enjoy reading his posts and everyone is entitled to their opinions but the joke was funny IMO.
Thread after thread and i don't think i ever stated he would be one of the celtics best players-i referenced his contribution along with isaiah, as a highly ranked duo in western conference-his attempts to play defence in miami and how good he could be with isaiah in transition
This part is simply not true. Thomas only played 46 games with the Suns. In fact, Thomas only averaged 25 mpg, while Green was only at 19 mpg. They were NOT a highly ranked duo.
At one time they were ranked number 1 duo off bench with 28 point average-sorry didn't make that up. i was in print in several articles along with how exciting they were to watch together in transition. Isaiah at 15 points Green 14-Isaiah was also quoted multiple times saying he was" definitely going to help"-said a "knockdown shooter, athletic and can create"-just went back a re read articles
"The number one duo off bench at 28.9" --from print.
If that duo was so outstanding then you would think Thomas wouldn't have been traded for a late 1st rd pick and that wouldn't have been Green's final season in Phoenix (he went to Miami on a veteran minimum contract). Again, the deadly duo only lasted 43 games. Plus, it's far different to say, "highly ranked duo in western conference" vs "number 1 duo off bench." I don't have issues with the latter as long as you're describing their scoring output and not basing it on 2-way abilities, which neither possesses.
I actually like Morris a lot. I think he is going to be extremely solid for us, as he can give us quality minutes at the 4. That said, Moiso brought up the comment to point out you have a knack of overrating mediocrity (see Gerald Green) with exaggerating statements about their skills.
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"If that duo was so outstanding and it was number 1 off the bench duo
Isaiah wouldn't have been traded for so little"-you are really pushing it !!!-Phoenix screwed up big time and isaiah's three seasons and green contribution to playoffs are history
I used quotes from brad of fearing green and iasiah calling him a deadly shooter and he will help the celtics-
This was a morris topic!! Now your pulling me up for calling them a deadly duo in western conference vs number 1 duo off bench your splitting hairs about some posts from a year ago-
-What happened in chicago playoffs-green went off and that wasn't mediocrity it was electric for that time and place--
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Yes, I'm even assuming Morris will start and play heavy-ish minutes.
IT 35 / Smart 13
Hayward 20 / Smart 19 / Brown 9
Crowder 12 / Hayward 12 / Brown 12 / Tatum 12
Morris 28 / Crowder 20
Horford 32 / Baynes 16
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Yes, I'm even assuming Morris will start and play heavy-ish minutes.
IT 35 / Smart 13
Hayward 20 / Smart 19 / Brown 9
Crowder 12 / Hayward 12 / Brown 12 / Tatum 12
Morris 28 / Crowder 20
Horford 32 / Baynes 16
I agree about Morris, though Ainge says he has Tatum in mind, long-term, for the swing/4 spot. 20 pounds and a year of NBA defense might be the prerequisite. Ojeleye has the body to back that position up, too.
By the same token, Crowder is now less appealing as swing, but a great choice as the first backup wing.
Per Brad Stevens, Brown will be guarding smaller players (more "2" than "3", that is), and even mentioned having him guard ballhandlers.
By the same token, Hayward is better guarding larger players. So I'd switch some of Brown's and Hayward's minutes.
Horford/Baynes distribution is very sensible - you've got 32/16 which I think is about right.
No need for Isaiah to play 35 minutes - it's a long season.
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Yes, I'm even assuming Morris will start and play heavy-ish minutes.
IT 35 / Smart 13
Hayward 20 / Smart 19 / Brown 9
Crowder 12 / Hayward 12 / Brown 12 / Tatum 12
Morris 28 / Crowder 20
Horford 32 / Baynes 16
There's no way Hayward only gets 32 mins. Same with Crowder except there's no way he gets that many. Too many for him and too little for JT.
I see something like:
IT 34 / Smart 8 / Rozier 6
Hayward 16 / Smart 18 / Brown 14
Crowder 14 / Hayward 18 / Brown 8 / Tatum 8
Morris 26 / Crowder 12 / Tatum 10
Horford 32 / Baynes 16
Zizic, Yabu and others will get spot mins here and there, and Rozier will definitely get more than 6. But that's for Brad to figure out ;D
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Why do people keep penciling Hayward in for major minutes at SG? Hayward hasn't played SG for years. Per Pro Basketball Reference, Hayward has played about 4% of his minutes there the last 3 seasons. I know that's an estimate but it jives with how he was used on the floor. He's a SF who can play PF in small lineups.
I think he might get a few minutes at SG in certain lineups but not many. You can't have Hayward trying to defend fast SGs and leave IT on the floor - that's a defensive lineup that would get killed. You need a defensive specialist or a quicker guy out there and that means Smart, not IT, paired with Hayward in the back court. But he should mostly take SF/PF minutes.
The plan right now is for Brown to get the lion's share of minutes at SG. IT might get a few of those in certain lineups as it's been said before that Brad looks at IT as a PG/SG combo player. Moreover, I wouldn't bank on any player seeing the floor for more than 32-33 minutes per game this year to keep players fresher for the playoffs. We have the manpower.
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I think the point that he is a more versatile and athletic Jerebko is a good one. Maybe not the shooter Jonas is, but JJ regressed last year on that.
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IT(32) Rozier(16)
Brown(18) Smart (30)
Hayward(32) Crowder(10) Brown (6)
Morris(28) Tatum(16) Horford(4)
Horford(26) Baynes(18) Zizic or Theis(4)
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IT(32) Rozier(16)
Brown(18) Smart (30)
Hayward(32) Crowder(10) Brown (6)
Morris(28) Tatum(16) Horford(4)
Horford(26) Baynes(18) Zizic or Theis(4)
Love the look of that depth chart for the most part, but I don't think there's any way that Morris gets 28 minutes with Jae getting merely 10. At that point we'd trade him. I think they're both closer to 20 minutes or so.
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IT(32) Rozier(16)
Brown(18) Smart (30)
Hayward(32) Crowder(10) Brown (6)
Morris(28) Tatum(16) Horford(4)
Horford(26) Baynes(18) Zizic or Theis(4)
Love the look of that depth chart for the most part, but I don't think there's any way that Morris gets 28 minutes with Jae getting merely 10. At that point we'd trade him. I think they're both closer to 20 minutes or so.
If the health factor stays good the it's likely Crowder is on the block by Xmas unless he gets a few minutes at the 4. We could have an adjustment of minutes at the 5 and Tatum could be benched for short stints as he learns his role. Probably not as much as Brown last year though.
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Why do people keep penciling Hayward in for major minutes at SG? Hayward hasn't played SG for years. Per Pro Basketball Reference, Hayward has played about 4% of his minutes there the last 3 seasons. I know that's an estimate but it jives with how he was used on the floor. He's a SF who can play PF in small lineups.
I think he might get a few minutes at SG in certain lineups but not many. You can't have Hayward trying to defend fast SGs and leave IT on the floor - that's a defensive lineup that would get killed. You need a defensive specialist or a quicker guy out there and that means Smart, not IT, paired with Hayward in the back court. But he should mostly take SF/PF minutes.
The plan right now is for Brown to get the lion's share of minutes at SG. IT might get a few of those in certain lineups as it's been said before that Brad looks at IT as a PG/SG combo player. Moreover, I wouldn't bank on any player seeing the floor for more than 32-33 minutes per game this year to keep players fresher for the playoffs. We have the manpower.
Maybe. I don't think any of us know what Brad will do.
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Why do people keep penciling Hayward in for major minutes at SG? Hayward hasn't played SG for years. Per Pro Basketball Reference, Hayward has played about 4% of his minutes there the last 3 seasons. I know that's an estimate but it jives with how he was used on the floor. He's a SF who can play PF in small lineups.
Good points. To turn it around, so to speak: the Celtics have quicker players in Brown, Smart, and Crowder who can take the quicker opponents; and since Hayward will be relied on to score, it's just more effective defense for him to guard bigger players. Add to that that he's got an impressive wingspan.
I think he might get a few minutes at SG in certain lineups but not many. You can't have Hayward trying to defend fast SGs and leave IT on the floor - that's a defensive lineup that would get killed. You need a defensive specialist or a quicker guy out there and that means Smart, not IT, paired with Hayward in the back court. But he should mostly take SF/PF minutes.
Excellent point about IT/Hayward. I would not call Smart a "defensive specialist", by the way (not that you did, but I've heard people say that).
Regarding how Smart was used last season: by far the most court time was with Isaiah also on the floor, not subbing for him but for Bradley, so that IT could play off the ball. Another significant slice of his minutes was with Rozier instead of IT, with Terry taking the opponent pg.
So I don't think that you'll see much of Smart/Hayward/SF/PF/C lineups.
The plan right now is for Brown to get the lion's share of minutes at SG. IT might get a few of those in certain lineups as it's been said before that Brad looks at IT as a PG/SG combo player.
About Brown: exactly. That he can switch onto 1-4 means that in any lineup with him and Gordon you can put Jaylen on the quicker player.
About IT as a 2: that's stretching the definition, I think (even if we continue to use the old 1-5 categories, which Brad Stevens is not). However, on offense, at least, Thomas has frequently been playing off the ball, where he is an excellent spot-up shooter and at using his speed to get free of his man.
Moreover, I wouldn't bank on any player seeing the floor for more than 32-33 minutes per game this year to keep players fresher for the playoffs. We have the manpower.
Danny Ainge has given this squad outstanding depth for the last couple of seasons; I think that in addition to adding more talent at the top of the lineup, this off-season he has also maintained the depth.
Another advantage to distributing minutes more evenly: younger players get precious floor time; again, we saw that last season, with Jaylen joining the rotation early on, paying dividends in the playoffs.
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I don't get why Morris is considered only a "small ball" PF. Here are some players and their pre-draft without shoes measurements:
Crowder 6' 4.75"
Morris 6' 7.00"
Love 6' 7.75"
Sullinger 6' 7.75"
Horford 6' 8.75"
Yes, he is just what we need, a PF. I guess Baynes and Horford could be the starters but I would be surprised. I think our starting and most featured bigs will be Morris and Horford. And if you like standing reach (which may be a better indicator of length):
Crowder 8' 3.50"
Morris 8' 9.50"
Love 8' 10.0"
Sullinger 8' 9.75"
Horford 8' 11.0"
Still I see many line ups that have Crowder playing PF. Crowder is undersized for SF, much less a PF. Morris may be a tad below ideal for PF but Sullinger and Horford are considered PF/C. Love is clearly considered a PF. But not Morris? I admit I am not all that familiar with his game but I don't see why we would need to play him anywhere but PF.
Just because a player has the size to be a power forward doesnt make him one.
He has never been a good rebounder and hes had by FAR the best years of his career playing the 3.
My point is that many of these posts have Crowder playing extended minutes at PF. Morris will be a much better rebounder than Crowder. Crowder (6'-5" with short arms) is undersized for a SF/Wing much less a PF/Big. I am not trying to suggest Morris is the prototypical PF/Big or anything but I far prefer him at PF over Crowder. Hopefully Zizic will emerge but I don't think that will happen anytime soon this season.
I really don't think Danny traded Avery Bradley to have Morris come here and play SF. Now if you want a really big line-up (Smart-Hayward-Morris-Horford-Baynes), OK, I could see some spot minutes with that line up as a change of pace or some other situation but it would not hurt my feelings if we never saw Crowder at PF.