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Title: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on August 11, 2017, 10:17:54 AM
The Miami Heat announced Thursday that fans who attend home games this upcoming season will only be able to get through the gate with tickets on their phones.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20306283/miami-heat-become-first-nba-team-mobile-only-entry


Thoughts? I think this is pure crap.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Donoghus on August 11, 2017, 10:21:20 AM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on August 11, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.

I don't mind shifting, I mind the exclusivity among other aspects.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: TheSundanceKid on August 11, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.

It has four purposes, one of which I agree with, one of which I don't, and two of which I'm indifferent on.

1) Prevents ticket scamming, which is a growing issue.
2) Gets people through the gates more quickly.
3) Allows them to collect more data on their customers.
4) Allows them to track how many tickets some season ticket-holders are selling, and revoke future season-ticket privileges if the team wants because too many were resold.

Everything is going digital.  Soon I expect that concessions will be credit only, and eventually may be tied directly to your ticket through Apple Pay/Samsung Pay and the like.

I'll miss paper tickets, however.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 11:02:49 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?

No.  Even a majority of American seniors own Smartphones at this point.  About 80% of Americans do, and at higher incomes (those with the disposable incomes to go to NBA games) it's closer to 90%.  It might alienate a few fans who proudly don't own smartphones still, but if the NBA doesn't push them to own them, some other company will instead.  They will within a few years he owned by virtually 100% of the population above 18, and a good chunk of the 13-18 range as well.  They are ubiquitous.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: timpiker on August 11, 2017, 11:07:56 AM
Do they also charge a "convenience fee" like some movie theaters.  That p---es me off. too.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Donoghus on August 11, 2017, 11:09:31 AM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.

It has four purposes, one of which I agree with, one of which I don't, and two of which I'm indifferent on.

1) Prevents ticket scamming, which is a growing issue.
2) Gets people through the gates more quickly.
3) Allows them to collect more data on their customers.
4) Allows them to track how many tickets some season ticket-holders are selling, and revoke future season-ticket privileges if the team wants because too many were resold.

Everything is going digital.  Soon I expect that concessions will be credit only, and eventually may be tied directly to your ticket through Apple Pay/Samsung Pay and the like.

I'll miss paper tickets, however.

We already have restaurants out here in Chicago that are no longer accepting cash.  It's crazy when you first see those signs but once you put some thought into it, it does make sense for a lot of those businesses.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: moiso on August 11, 2017, 11:11:00 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: footey on August 11, 2017, 11:13:03 AM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.

It has four purposes, one of which I agree with, one of which I don't, and two of which I'm indifferent on.

1) Prevents ticket scamming, which is a growing issue.
2) Gets people through the gates more quickly.
3) Allows them to collect more data on their customers.
4) Allows them to track how many tickets some season ticket-holders are selling, and revoke future season-ticket privileges if the team wants because too many were resold.

Everything is going digital.  Soon I expect that concessions will be credit only, and eventually may be tied directly to your ticket through Apple Pay/Samsung Pay and the like.

I'll miss paper tickets, however.

We already have restaurants out here in Chicago that are no longer accepting cash.  It's crazy when you first see those signs but once you put some thought into it, it does make sense for a lot of those businesses.

Funny, we still have restaurants that only take cash, I guess because they don't like paying the credit card fee, and/or want to play with their books. 
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 11:29:36 AM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.

It has four purposes, one of which I agree with, one of which I don't, and two of which I'm indifferent on.

1) Prevents ticket scamming, which is a growing issue.
2) Gets people through the gates more quickly.
3) Allows them to collect more data on their customers.
4) Allows them to track how many tickets some season ticket-holders are selling, and revoke future season-ticket privileges if the team wants because too many were resold.

Everything is going digital.  Soon I expect that concessions will be credit only, and eventually may be tied directly to your ticket through Apple Pay/Samsung Pay and the like.

I'll miss paper tickets, however.

We already have restaurants out here in Chicago that are no longer accepting cash.  It's crazy when you first see those signs but once you put some thought into it, it does make sense for a lot of those businesses.

Yeah, the ice cream shop not far from me got held up two weeks ago.  Last weekend they'd put up signs that said No Cash.

The only time I personally use cash is when I'm putting money into the offering plate at church (and even that's rare since I'm in the choir and not usually in the pews when it's passed around).  I've had a single emergency dollar in my wallet for the last month (for when I break down and use the work vending machine), but I like going cashless.  When mobile pay is accepted by restaurants, I'll probably go walletless.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: mef730 on August 11, 2017, 03:41:15 PM
That's the way things are drifting.  Heck, the Celtics sent out an email to STM this week about how mobile tickets is now their preferred method of ticket delivery.

It's probably pretty good for those trying to buy on the secondary market where it's pretty easy to get scammed these days if you're not careful.

It has four purposes, one of which I agree with, one of which I don't, and two of which I'm indifferent on.

1) Prevents ticket scamming, which is a growing issue.
2) Gets people through the gates more quickly.
3) Allows them to collect more data on their customers.
4) Allows them to track how many tickets some season ticket-holders are selling, and revoke future season-ticket privileges if the team wants because too many were resold.

Everything is going digital.  Soon I expect that concessions will be credit only, and eventually may be tied directly to your ticket through Apple Pay/Samsung Pay and the like.

I'll miss paper tickets, however.

Agree with one although my experience with #2, getting people through the gates faster, was the opposite. I went to about a dozen games last year and their scanners never seemed to work properly. It always took a few zaps of the phone to get us through.

3&4 annoy me. I'm a STM and made it to about 1/4 of the regular season games last year. I'd be annoyed if the Celtics decided that they were going to set a minimum on the number of games that I could go to and the number that I could sell, although they'd really have no way of knowing which games I sold and which ones I gave away, unless I do it on the TM resale site. And if I'm in trouble, the person next to me is really hosed. I've had my seats three years and have yet to meet the actual owner of the person sitting in the seats next to mine.

As for the marketing, well, I guess they have the right to do anything that they want with the information (and, for that matter, the seats). Still feels a little weird.

This upcoming year will be my sixth as a STM. In my second, they started to charge extra for getting real tickets. This year, I don't even know if they offer them. Kind of sad not being able to save ticket stubs, but it's definitely more convenient doing it on my phone.

Mike

Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: jambr380 on August 11, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
So no more scalpers? Weird.

I bought a couple of tickets from Stubhub last week for a Pirates game (traveling)  and electronic tickets weren't even an option.

I also don't really see how this cuts out scammers. If you buy 'used' tickets from somebody online (like Craigslist), they still have the option of emailing them to as many people they want.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Big333223 on August 11, 2017, 04:17:02 PM
Meh. Pretty soon they'll be able to just scan the chips implanted in our eyeballs and know that we bought the ticket in our minds.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 04:34:03 PM
So no more scalpers? Weird.

I bought a couple of tickets from Stubhub last week for a Pirates game (traveling)  and electronic tickets weren't even an option.

I also don't really see how this cuts out scammers. If you buy 'used' tickets from somebody online (like Craigslist), they still have the option of emailing them to ad many people they want.

Presumably they will have a digital transfer option that makes it non-duplicatable.  There will still be scammers (PayPal me money and sure, you'll get some tickets, I promise), but they won't have to deal with people holding fake tickets at the turnstile.

I'll miss scalpers.  My first ever Celtics game was Game 6 of the 2002 ECF.  We lost to the Nets, obviously, but it had been a really fun post-season run, and it was the first time I'd experienced the "Let's Go Celtics" last five minutes of a series chant.  But for a scalper, I wouldn't have gotten in.  (Although I suppose now I can just go on StubHub.  Still, getting that ticket was more fun in person.)
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: bdm860 on August 11, 2017, 04:47:55 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: TheSundanceKid on August 11, 2017, 05:29:48 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.

I get that things have to advance but if even 1% were affected in this way then I feel like it's on the club to accommodate those people. Maybe via a special exception or something. They are still a paying customer and most likely one of the longest paying customers too so you'd think that a loyal club wouldn't just shun them in the name of progress
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 05:44:08 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.

I get that things have to advance but if even 1% were affected in this way then I feel like it's on the club to accommodate those people. Maybe via a special exception or something. They are still a paying customer and most likely one of the longest paying customers too so you'd think that a loyal club wouldn't just shun them in the name of progress

It's probably less than 1%.  I wouldn't be surprised if Miami knows who their 10 most loyal tech curmudgeons are and will accomodate them despite this stated policy.  It's announced two months in advance -- they'll figure it out.

Also, as someone who has in the past worked on wireless network issues -- if you're one of those people still holding onto your flip phone from 5 years ago, please stop.  Wireless spectrum, as well as antenna space on towers, are both scarce goods.  Your old phone can't work on new networks, and companies therefore can't offer the latest technologies on your spectrum bands without cutting off your service, which creates congestion issues.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Big333223 on August 11, 2017, 06:03:01 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.

I get that things have to advance but if even 1% were affected in this way then I feel like it's on the club to accommodate those people. Maybe via a special exception or something. They are still a paying customer and most likely one of the longest paying customers too so you'd think that a loyal club wouldn't just shun them in the name of progress

It's probably less than 1%.  I wouldn't be surprised if Miami knows who their 10 most loyal tech curmudgeons are and will accomodate them despite this stated policy.  It's announced two months in advance -- they'll figure it out.

Also, as someone who has in the past worked on wireless network issues -- if you're one of those people still holding onto your flip phone from 5 years ago, please stop.  Wireless spectrum, as well as antenna space on towers, are both scarce goods.  Your old phone can't work on new networks, and companies therefore can't offer the latest technologies on your spectrum bands without cutting off your service, which creates congestion issues.  Thanks!
I just switched from a flip phone to an iPhone a few months ago. I'm fascinated by how much more affordable all of the service plans are now that the phones themselves are so expensive.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.

I get that things have to advance but if even 1% were affected in this way then I feel like it's on the club to accommodate those people. Maybe via a special exception or something. They are still a paying customer and most likely one of the longest paying customers too so you'd think that a loyal club wouldn't just shun them in the name of progress

It's probably less than 1%.  I wouldn't be surprised if Miami knows who their 10 most loyal tech curmudgeons are and will accomodate them despite this stated policy.  It's announced two months in advance -- they'll figure it out.

Also, as someone who has in the past worked on wireless network issues -- if you're one of those people still holding onto your flip phone from 5 years ago, please stop.  Wireless spectrum, as well as antenna space on towers, are both scarce goods.  Your old phone can't work on new networks, and companies therefore can't offer the latest technologies on your spectrum bands without cutting off your service, which creates congestion issues.  Thanks!
I just switched from a flip phone to an iPhone a few months ago. I'm fascinated by how much more affordable all of the service plans are now that the phones themselves are so expensive.

Yep.  Most plans no longer have any contracts, so you pay upfront for a phone (or over time), and the plan itself is cheaper.  It used to be that the phone itself was much more heavily subsidized by more expensive plans and two-year contracts, and if you left your plan early there was a hefty early termination fee.

The new hook is buying a phone with a 0% interest rate and payments over 12-24 months, and if you leave early you owe the remaining balance on your phone immediately.  But it's also a lot easier to buy a phone from someone other than your provider and bring it to that network, should you choose.  The phones used to be similarly expensive, and it really stunk if something happened to it before you were eligible for a new phone.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: timpiker on August 11, 2017, 08:28:09 PM
Meh. Pretty soon they'll be able to just scan the chips implanted in our eyeballs and know that we bought the ticket in our minds.

You're right.  I brought this topic up at dinner 2nite and then we talked about a story I just read about some employees at some company having chips inserted into their arms.  We can have those inserted and they'll be our money and ID and receipts and phones and music and....u name it.  But my personal favorite new technology is the sex robots.  But alas, this is a C's website.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Eja117 on August 11, 2017, 08:52:49 PM
Gotta wonder how much carriers paid them to do this
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: moiso on August 11, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: slamtheking on August 11, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) and don't carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 11, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: jambr380 on August 11, 2017, 11:18:14 PM
To be fair - it doesn't have to be expensive to get a smartphone. You can actually get an iPhone 5 on eBay for like $50 and that is more than acceptable for something like this new system.

Not that I agree with the concept, but a smartphone doesn't really have to cost any more than a new flip phone nowadays.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 12, 2017, 06:43:01 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: slamtheking on August 12, 2017, 08:28:07 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
good points.  also, not everyone in this world feels compelled to be connected at all times.  I've never understood the fascination with having a phone in front of one's face at all times.  the number of phone zombies I contend with every day I travel to work is just mindboggling.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: saltlover on August 12, 2017, 09:10:50 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash.

Mobile high speed data is going to be pretty much everywhere.  Will remote areas be slower to adopt certain things?  Of course.  But even most of Alaska (at least where people live, and thus where businesses are) is going to have LTE by 2022, if not earlier.  Businesses are shifting to support both mobile digital technologies while currently serving more traditional physical technologies, but supporting two networks is costly and inefficient.  They'll each have a tipping point where they'll stop supporting one.  The Heat have gotten there earlier than most, but as more and more make that permanent switch to mobile only, it becomes easier for the next business to do so.  Cars might be one of the last ones to do so, but it also depends how quickly self-driving cars come to market.  I would be surprised if those won't be app-based to a great extent, and thus some sort of device will be necessary, and it might as well be the same phone that you carry anyways.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on August 12, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
.....until someone HACKS your ticket right as you are about to present it for entry...

I LOVE technology. Advanced stats / metrics and whatnot certainly have a place in society.

But we'd better be careful with its use.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: bdm860 on August 12, 2017, 10:17:26 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
good points.  also, not everyone in this world feels compelled to be connected at all times.  I've never understood the fascination with having a phone in front of one's face at all times.  the number of phone zombies I contend with every day I travel to work is just mindboggling.

What I'm shocked by is the fact that this is coming from a guy with 17 stars next to his name who makes an average 4.5 posts per day.  What happens if a new rumor leaks or a new "Trade Isaiah" thread pops up while you're pooping?  Just think of how much more time you could spend interacting with all of us here  ;D 

To each his own, if a smart phone ain't for you it ain't for you.  I just find the juxtaposition of your activity on a niche internet forum and your lack of need to feel connected humorous. 

And if people weren't phone zombies, they'd still be some kind of zombie.  No way I'm having a conversation or even making eye contact with you on my train commute.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yW88cfpJ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/197o1okyuiv27jpg.jpg)
(http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/kubrick-subway-newspapers.jpg)
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: KGs Knee on August 12, 2017, 10:23:38 AM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash.

Mobile high speed data is going to be pretty much everywhere.  Will remote areas be slower to adopt certain things?  Of course.  But even most of Alaska (at least where people live, and thus where businesses are) is going to have LTE by 2022, if not earlier.  Businesses are shifting to support both mobile digital technologies while currently serving more traditional physical technologies, but supporting two networks is costly and inefficient.  They'll each have a tipping point where they'll stop supporting one.  The Heat have gotten there earlier than most, but as more and more make that permanent switch to mobile only, it becomes easier for the next business to do so.  Cars might be one of the last ones to do so, but it also depends how quickly self-driving cars come to market.  I would be surprised if those won't be app-based to a great extent, and thus some sort of device will be necessary, and it might as well be the same phone that you carry anyways.

Will that tech be available in rural areas, sure. Will people there accept it, probably not anywhere nearly as much as you think. I'm guessing you spend very little time outside the city. Suburban and rural folk have a totally different outlook on things. We still have stores where I live that are cash only, not credit/debit. Personally, I like that.

I have a smartphone, and probably have longer than most people. But I'm not interested in it being my "everything". Advances in technology like this do nothing but serve to erode your privacy and give the government the ability to control you just a little bit more with each advance.

City folk seem to be okay with the government running every single aspects t of their lives, I guess it's because they live in such close proximity to so many other people.   To me that's just weird, the government is not my friend, it's my enemy.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: slamtheking on August 12, 2017, 03:15:52 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
good points.  also, not everyone in this world feels compelled to be connected at all times.  I've never understood the fascination with having a phone in front of one's face at all times.  the number of phone zombies I contend with every day I travel to work is just mindboggling.

What I'm shocked by is the fact that this is coming from a guy with 17 stars next to his name who makes an average 4.5 posts per day.  What happens if a new rumor leaks or a new "Trade Isaiah" thread pops up while you're pooping?  Just think of how much more time you could spend interacting with all of us here  ;D 

To each his own, if a smart phone ain't for you it ain't for you.  I just find the juxtaposition of your activity on a niche internet forum and your lack of need to feel connected humorous. 

And if people weren't phone zombies, they'd still be some kind of zombie.  No way I'm having a conversation or even making eye contact with you on my train commute.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yW88cfpJ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/197o1okyuiv27jpg.jpg)
(http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/kubrick-subway-newspapers.jpg)

took a lot of years being here to get 17 stars.  there's a difference between spending about 30 minutes on line at home checking mail, this site and espn to see how the Brewers are doing and having your eyes continuously glued to a phone for hours a day -- especially when it leads one to walk into other people, traffic, walls, potholes, etc...   
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Big333223 on August 12, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash.

Mobile high speed data is going to be pretty much everywhere.  Will remote areas be slower to adopt certain things?  Of course.  But even most of Alaska (at least where people live, and thus where businesses are) is going to have LTE by 2022, if not earlier.  Businesses are shifting to support both mobile digital technologies while currently serving more traditional physical technologies, but supporting two networks is costly and inefficient.  They'll each have a tipping point where they'll stop supporting one.  The Heat have gotten there earlier than most, but as more and more make that permanent switch to mobile only, it becomes easier for the next business to do so.  Cars might be one of the last ones to do so, but it also depends how quickly self-driving cars come to market.  I would be surprised if those won't be app-based to a great extent, and thus some sort of device will be necessary, and it might as well be the same phone that you carry anyways.

Will that tech be available in rural areas, sure. Will people there accept it, probably not anywhere nearly as much as you think. I'm guessing you spend very little time outside the city. Suburban and rural folk have a totally different outlook on things. We still have stores where I live that are cash only, not credit/debit. Personally, I like that.

I have a smartphone, and probably have longer than most people. But I'm not interested in it being my "everything". Advances in technology like this do nothing but serve to erode your privacy and give the government the ability to control you just a little bit more with each advance.

City folk seem to be okay with the government running every single aspects t of their lives, I guess it's because they live in such close proximity to so many other people.   To me that's just weird, the government is not my friend, it's my enemy.
There's an awful lot of broad generalizing going on in that post.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: KGs Knee on August 12, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash.

Mobile high speed data is going to be pretty much everywhere.  Will remote areas be slower to adopt certain things?  Of course.  But even most of Alaska (at least where people live, and thus where businesses are) is going to have LTE by 2022, if not earlier.  Businesses are shifting to support both mobile digital technologies while currently serving more traditional physical technologies, but supporting two networks is costly and inefficient.  They'll each have a tipping point where they'll stop supporting one.  The Heat have gotten there earlier than most, but as more and more make that permanent switch to mobile only, it becomes easier for the next business to do so.  Cars might be one of the last ones to do so, but it also depends how quickly self-driving cars come to market.  I would be surprised if those won't be app-based to a great extent, and thus some sort of device will be necessary, and it might as well be the same phone that you carry anyways.

Will that tech be available in rural areas, sure. Will people there accept it, probably not anywhere nearly as much as you think. I'm guessing you spend very little time outside the city. Suburban and rural folk have a totally different outlook on things. We still have stores where I live that are cash only, not credit/debit. Personally, I like that.

I have a smartphone, and probably have longer than most people. But I'm not interested in it being my "everything". Advances in technology like this do nothing but serve to erode your privacy and give the government the ability to control you just a little bit more with each advance.

City folk seem to be okay with the government running every single aspects t of their lives, I guess it's because they live in such close proximity to so many other people.   To me that's just weird, the government is not my friend, it's my enemy.
There's an awful lot of broad generalizing going on in that post.

Sure, but they're not inaccurate.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Big333223 on August 12, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash.

Mobile high speed data is going to be pretty much everywhere.  Will remote areas be slower to adopt certain things?  Of course.  But even most of Alaska (at least where people live, and thus where businesses are) is going to have LTE by 2022, if not earlier.  Businesses are shifting to support both mobile digital technologies while currently serving more traditional physical technologies, but supporting two networks is costly and inefficient.  They'll each have a tipping point where they'll stop supporting one.  The Heat have gotten there earlier than most, but as more and more make that permanent switch to mobile only, it becomes easier for the next business to do so.  Cars might be one of the last ones to do so, but it also depends how quickly self-driving cars come to market.  I would be surprised if those won't be app-based to a great extent, and thus some sort of device will be necessary, and it might as well be the same phone that you carry anyways.

Will that tech be available in rural areas, sure. Will people there accept it, probably not anywhere nearly as much as you think. I'm guessing you spend very little time outside the city. Suburban and rural folk have a totally different outlook on things. We still have stores where I live that are cash only, not credit/debit. Personally, I like that.

I have a smartphone, and probably have longer than most people. But I'm not interested in it being my "everything". Advances in technology like this do nothing but serve to erode your privacy and give the government the ability to control you just a little bit more with each advance.

City folk seem to be okay with the government running every single aspects t of their lives, I guess it's because they live in such close proximity to so many other people.   To me that's just weird, the government is not my friend, it's my enemy.
There's an awful lot of broad generalizing going on in that post.

Sure, but they're not inaccurate.
Except for the instances where they are. Which is the problem with generalizations.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: jambr380 on August 12, 2017, 08:22:08 PM
Quote
City folk seem to be okay with the government running every single aspect of their lives

This statement above seems the most egregious. Unless you are totally off the grid, this statement seems to lack a clear understanding.

Also, my favorite sushi and Mediterranean places are cash only.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Eja117 on August 12, 2017, 08:53:03 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
good points.  also, not everyone in this world feels compelled to be connected at all times.  I've never understood the fascination with having a phone in front of one's face at all times.  the number of phone zombies I contend with every day I travel to work is just mindboggling.

What I'm shocked by is the fact that this is coming from a guy with 17 stars next to his name who makes an average 4.5 posts per day.  What happens if a new rumor leaks or a new "Trade Isaiah" thread pops up while you're pooping?  Just think of how much more time you could spend interacting with all of us here  ;D 

To each his own, if a smart phone ain't for you it ain't for you.  I just find the juxtaposition of your activity on a niche internet forum and your lack of need to feel connected humorous. 

And if people weren't phone zombies, they'd still be some kind of zombie.  No way I'm having a conversation or even making eye contact with you on my train commute.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yW88cfpJ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/197o1okyuiv27jpg.jpg)
(http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/kubrick-subway-newspapers.jpg)

took a lot of years being here to get 17 stars.  there's a difference between spending about 30 minutes on line at home checking mail, this site and espn to see how the Brewers are doing and having your eyes continuously glued to a phone for hours a day -- especially when it leads one to walk into other people, traffic, walls, potholes, etc...   
I also have 17 stars and I also do not have a smart phone
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: slamtheking on August 12, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
good points.  also, not everyone in this world feels compelled to be connected at all times.  I've never understood the fascination with having a phone in front of one's face at all times.  the number of phone zombies I contend with every day I travel to work is just mindboggling.

What I'm shocked by is the fact that this is coming from a guy with 17 stars next to his name who makes an average 4.5 posts per day.  What happens if a new rumor leaks or a new "Trade Isaiah" thread pops up while you're pooping?  Just think of how much more time you could spend interacting with all of us here  ;D 

To each his own, if a smart phone ain't for you it ain't for you.  I just find the juxtaposition of your activity on a niche internet forum and your lack of need to feel connected humorous. 

And if people weren't phone zombies, they'd still be some kind of zombie.  No way I'm having a conversation or even making eye contact with you on my train commute.

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took a lot of years being here to get 17 stars.  there's a difference between spending about 30 minutes on line at home checking mail, this site and espn to see how the Brewers are doing and having your eyes continuously glued to a phone for hours a day -- especially when it leads one to walk into other people, traffic, walls, potholes, etc...   
I also have 17 stars and I also do not have a smart phone
TP for the honesty Eja - we're definitely in the minority here
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: Big333223 on August 13, 2017, 03:22:50 PM
Won't this discriminate against some of the older generation fans who may not have followed the rise of the smartphone?
Seems like it to me.  My 70 year old parents included.  My mom has an old school prepaid phone and my dad still refuses to own a cell phone.

Not that these people don't exist, but how many live sporting events are they attending?  Did your parents attend any games last year or do they plan to attend any games this year?  If they're not already attending games, it doesn't really matter if they don't have smart phones.
They don't go to live sporting events or concerts.  They could use smartphones for a lot of other stuff though and just don't want to pay another monthly bill I guess.
I'm not 70 (nor even close to it), I don't have a smart phone and I do attend games.  I do have a cell phone that I don't use (old Samsung G3 phone on a tracphone coverage) or carry with me except on the 2 days I travel for work and even then it's only used in case I have to call my boss to tell him that my train has broken down.

I won't get a smartphone or switch to a plan with an annual contract simply because I don't see the need to pay a lot of money for something I hardly use. 

I can definitely state that if this becomes the only way to get a ticket to get into a game, I've likely been to my last C's game.

You say this, but in a few years you'll likely have been to your last a lot of things.  A mobile device of some sort (Smartphone, smart watch, something yet to hit the market) is going to be the primary, and sole, method of payment at many places, or method of entry at many venues.   And it will have a host of other responsibilities as well (air travel boarding passes, insurance cards, ATM cards, etc.)  It might be the key to the car you buy 5 years from now.

If you don't have a portable smart device by the time 5G fully kicks in five years from now, you're going to get left behind. Maybe it won't be the Celtics, but something in your life will push you to one.  I can almost guarantee it.
That's going to depend a lot on where you live.  Big cities probably.  The rest of the country not so much. 

Why in the world would anyone want their smartphone be the key to their car?  Why would car makers want it?  Smartphone dies, gets lost or stolen and you can no longer drive your car.  It can't get much simpler than having the key fob in your pocket and pushing a start button on the dash. 
good points.  also, not everyone in this world feels compelled to be connected at all times.  I've never understood the fascination with having a phone in front of one's face at all times.  the number of phone zombies I contend with every day I travel to work is just mindboggling.

What I'm shocked by is the fact that this is coming from a guy with 17 stars next to his name who makes an average 4.5 posts per day.  What happens if a new rumor leaks or a new "Trade Isaiah" thread pops up while you're pooping?  Just think of how much more time you could spend interacting with all of us here  ;D 

To each his own, if a smart phone ain't for you it ain't for you.  I just find the juxtaposition of your activity on a niche internet forum and your lack of need to feel connected humorous. 

And if people weren't phone zombies, they'd still be some kind of zombie.  No way I'm having a conversation or even making eye contact with you on my train commute.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yW88cfpJ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/197o1okyuiv27jpg.jpg)
(http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/kubrick-subway-newspapers.jpg)

took a lot of years being here to get 17 stars.  there's a difference between spending about 30 minutes on line at home checking mail, this site and espn to see how the Brewers are doing and having your eyes continuously glued to a phone for hours a day -- especially when it leads one to walk into other people, traffic, walls, potholes, etc...   
I also have 17 stars and I also do not have a smart phone
TP for the honesty Eja - we're definitely in the minority here
Yep. I got one a few months ago and I was the last person I knew under 60 without one.
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: mef730 on August 24, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
I know that this topic isn't as exciting as Kyrie, but...

For those of you who are more tech savvy than I am, here is the email regarding the mobile-only entry that I got from my rep.

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With the season quickly approaching, I want to make sure you were able to review the Celtics Insider email below as it includes very important information regarding ticket delivery for the upcoming season.  Mobile tickets will become the universal means of entry into the arena, replacing the PDF/Print-at-Home option online. Moving forward, if you need to send tickets to someone, you are able to email or text your guest a link which when clicked will prompt them to create an account allowing them to either manage the ticket or pull it up on their phone for entry. If you haven’t already done so, I would recommend downloading the Celtics app, as it is extremely user friendly.

Here's the question: If I want to sell my tickets on Stubhub, or any place other than the egregious official resale site, I have to download the PDF to my computer and then re-upload it at Stubhub (or whatever). Does this mean that I will no longer be able to create a PDF on my desktop?

Mike
Title: Re: Mobile-Only Entry
Post by: greece66 on August 25, 2017, 10:58:55 AM
@bdm860

There is something to be said about staying off the internet every now and then. The problem with smartphones is that you literally carry the web with you wherever you go.