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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Moranis on August 08, 2017, 12:42:52 PM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/twolves/2017/08/08/andrew-wiggins-must-commit-timberwolves-glen-taylor-max-offer/547982001/
I mean, he has to meet with Wiggins to tell him to get better before he will give him an extension. First, shouldn't he already know what Wiggins commitment, work ethic, etc. is? Second, why on earth would he tell the media this?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/twolves/2017/08/08/andrew-wiggins-must-commit-timberwolves-glen-taylor-max-offer/547982001/
I mean, he has to meet with Wiggins to tell him to get better before he will give him an extension. First, shouldn't he already know what Wiggins commitment, work ethic, etc. is? Second, why on earth would he tell the media this?
I don't know why he would tell this to the media. I actually thought he had a really strong summer with Teague, Gibson, Crawford and Butler so surprising to see him immediately do an awful tactic
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He didn't learn from the Kevin Love situation because LeBron bailed him out. No more, no less. Just a rich guy who thinks he can motivate his players better than his coaches. Wiggins will sign the same contract next summer that Otto Porter did this year, and Taylor will get to decide if he wants to match it. It'll be a worse contract for the Wolves than they could get for Wiggins right now.
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He didn't learn from the Kevin Love situation because LeBron bailed him out. No more, no less. Just a rich guy who thinks he can motivate his players better than his coaches. Wiggins will sign the same contract next summer that Otto Porter did this year, and Taylor will get to decide if he wants to match it. It'll be a worse contract for the Wolves than they could get for Wiggins right now.
Why would 4 years 106 Million be worse than 5 years 148 Million? I think the wolves would much rather save 42 Million than just get 1 extra year from Wiggins. Plus Wiggins is going to sign that max 5 year extension anyway.
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Easy answer - Because the wolves are a terribly managed team.
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
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He didn't learn from the Kevin Love situation because LeBron bailed him out. No more, no less. Just a rich guy who thinks he can motivate his players better than his coaches. Wiggins will sign the same contract next summer that Otto Porter did this year, and Taylor will get to decide if he wants to match it. It'll be a worse contract for the Wolves than they could get for Wiggins right now.
Why would 4 years 106 Million be worse than 5 years 148 Million? I think the wolves would much rather save 42 Million than just get 1 extra year from Wiggins. Plus Wiggins is going to sign that max 5 year extension anyway.
For starters, it will be for about $111 million, since the max salary will increase next year.
Secondly, it will contain a 15% trade kicker, which means the Wolves may wind up paying still a little more if they try to trade him. It also may have a weird salary date, which could also mean the Wolves pay more money if they trade him.
Thirdly, and most importantly, it will have a player option for year 4. So if Wiggins continues to get better, he'll get a new max deal at the 30% max-player threshold after 3 years, which will mean a higher salary than he'd otherwise make compared to years 4 and 5 of a max deal offered today. And if Wiggins is ticked off by Taylor, as Love was, he will signal that he won't re-sign at all after those three years are up.
If Taylor's basketball people think Wiggins isn't worth the max, then they shouldn't offer it to him. If they do, then they should. Taylor's role should be as a cheerleader urging Wiggins to sign it and become a franchise player, not as someone who's trying to play mind games.
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
Clarification on my statement: I'm really just saying that we might not have all the details. Not indicting Wiggins of anything since I've payed almost no attention to his career. The examples I gave were for devil's advocate purposes only.
With that said, I still don't see an issue with an owner meeting with his player or publicly discussing his/her opinion about a player who is about to sign a massive contract. Does it seem out of the ordinary? yes. Does that really matter? No. Is Taylor a bad owner? Signs point to yes. https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/4/18/15343924/kg-timberwolves-breakup-showed-me-the-true-glen-taylor (https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/4/18/15343924/kg-timberwolves-breakup-showed-me-the-true-glen-taylor)
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
Wouldn't Teague and Irving be extremely redundant? It also creates a roster imbalance for them where their pieces actually fit together really nice right now. While it is "good" value for the Cavs does it really help them next year? Their starting backcourt would be Rose and Jr Smith? That isn't beating golden State...
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
Wouldn't Teague and Irving be extremely redundant? It also creates a roster imbalance for them where their pieces actually fit together really nice right now. While it is "good" value for the Cavs does it really help them next year? Their starting backcourt would be Rose and Jr Smith? That isn't beating golden State...
No they are much different players. Teague is a solid all around guard who does everything pretty good, but nothing spectacular. Can play off the ball or with the ball. Irving is only an offensive player, and isn’t much of a facilitator, but is a fantastic scorer. He can play off the ball as well, but you want him to have the ball in his hands. Irving obviously can’t guard shooting guards well, but he can’t guard point guards either. Since it’s a point guard driven league, it might be easier for him anyway to be guarding 2s instead. Plus having a great defensive player next to him in Jimmy and another solid one in Teague, he might be able to be hidden on defense, especially if Thibs is able to execute a good scheme.
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
Wouldn't Teague and Irving be extremely redundant? It also creates a roster imbalance for them where their pieces actually fit together really nice right now. While it is "good" value for the Cavs does it really help them next year? Their starting backcourt would be Rose and Jr Smith? That isn't beating golden State...
No they are much different players. Teague is a solid all around guard who does everything pretty good, but nothing spectacular. Can play off the ball or with the ball. Irving is only an offensive player, and isn’t much of a facilitator, but is a fantastic scorer. He can play off the ball as well, but you want him to have the ball in his hands. Irving obviously can’t guard shooting guards well, but he can’t guard point guards either. Since it’s a point guard driven league, it might be easier for him anyway to be guarding 2s instead. Plus having a great defensive player next to him in Jimmy and another solid one in Teague, he might be able to be hidden on defense, especially if Thibs is able to execute a good scheme.
Gonna have to disagree with all of this. They are both 6'1-6'2 shoot first point guards. Can't really polish that one into anything else.
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He's the owner , he pays all the salaries. If talking face to face with a player before giving him a max contract makes him feel more invested in the decision, and in turn leads to him being more willing to open up the checkbook when the GM asks him to go over the cap to get a guy or two for a playoff run, then I don't see any issues with it.
Also, why is it at all considered strange for a billionaire to want to ask his employee face to face if he is willing to commit to be the best he can be before making him one of the highest paid people in the organization and committing the long term future of the franchise to him?
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
Wouldn't Teague and Irving be extremely redundant? It also creates a roster imbalance for them where their pieces actually fit together really nice right now. While it is "good" value for the Cavs does it really help them next year? Their starting backcourt would be Rose and Jr Smith? That isn't beating golden State...
No they are much different players. Teague is a solid all around guard who does everything pretty good, but nothing spectacular. Can play off the ball or with the ball. Irving is only an offensive player, and isn’t much of a facilitator, but is a fantastic scorer. He can play off the ball as well, but you want him to have the ball in his hands. Irving obviously can’t guard shooting guards well, but he can’t guard point guards either. Since it’s a point guard driven league, it might be easier for him anyway to be guarding 2s instead. Plus having a great defensive player next to him in Jimmy and another solid one in Teague, he might be able to be hidden on defense, especially if Thibs is able to execute a good scheme.
Gonna have to disagree with all of this. They are both 6'1-6'2 shoot first point guards. Can't really polish that one into anything else.
Judging by your lack of detail and accuracy, I’d guess you have never seen Jeff Teague play. Thats ok, but stick to posting about stuff you know about then.
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He's the owner , he pays all the salaries. If talking face to face with a player before giving him a max contract makes him feel more invested in the decision, and in turn leads to him being more willing to open up the checkbook when the GM asks him to go over the cap to get a guy or two for a playoff run, then I don't see any issues with it.
Also, why is it at all considered strange for a billionaire to want to ask his employee face to face if he is willing to commit to be the best he can be before making him one of the highest paid people in the organization and committing the long term future of the franchise to him?
It's not strange. The strange part is that he's saying it to the media instead of Wiggins. Seems like a Phil Jackson type move.
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Seems like he has some ulterior motives - GT does.
I hope it serves to sow some seeds of division, TBH.
An All-Time great Big Man from Minny was traded from there and came to BOS about a decade ago...with that team (at the time) going nowhere.
(https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/21513_Garnett.jpg)
I also thought that KG had some issues with lack of players and help around him in Minny....didn't KG mention something about the ownership back then? Not so much Coach McHale but the ownership?
THIS particular issue with Wiggins is small but annoying. But SIMILAR issues over the next couple of years like this could force yet ANOTHER Big Man from Minny to us..
(http://www.csnne.com/sites/csnne/files/2017/03/15/celtics_timberwolves_karl_anthony_towns_031517.jpg)
I know it's a LONNNNGGGGGG shot but a man can dream.
Keep that Treasure Chest of options open, Danny. I'll take either Anthony Davis or KAT, please.
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Are we sure there aren't issues with Wiggins behind the scenes? Maybe Taylor knows something we don't? Wasn't Wiggins billed as a potential stud defender coming out of college? I haven't watched a ton of him, but it doesn't seem like he's lived up to his potential defensively. Either way, I personally don't hate the idea of an owner having a discussion with his player before making a massive financial commitment.
You don't think the owner has already had those conversations with his player. Or at the very least high level management, including the coaches, haven't had those conversations. It isn't like Wiggins was just drafted or they were thinking about adding him as a free agent, he has been there for 3 years.
and even if everything you say is true and Taylor really hasn't had any conversations with his player, why on earth would he say any of that to the media? It makes absolutely no sense.
I'm more convinced Wiggins ends up as the main piece in an Irving trade now.
Wouldn't Teague and Irving be extremely redundant? It also creates a roster imbalance for them where their pieces actually fit together really nice right now. While it is "good" value for the Cavs does it really help them next year? Their starting backcourt would be Rose and Jr Smith? That isn't beating golden State...
they aren't beating Golden State anyeay
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/twolves/2017/08/08/andrew-wiggins-must-commit-timberwolves-glen-taylor-max-offer/547982001/
I mean, he has to meet with Wiggins to tell him to get better before he will give him an extension. First, shouldn't he already know what Wiggins commitment, work ethic, etc. is? Second, why on earth would he tell the media this?
He's telling the media that A) he's going to max out Wiggins and B) he needs Wiggins to be better. Right now, he's a one dimensional player that''s not worth a max. He must think Wiggins needs a kick in the butt as motivator. Lack of defense + need for external motivation=not a Brad Stevens guy.