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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Bucketgetter on August 06, 2017, 02:30:28 AM
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I know his tiers are a bit polarizing around here, but are we going to have 5 Tier 1 prospects next year in Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba? And even if you don’t want to categorize it as Chad Ford draft tier 1, are we going to have 5 legit blue chip prospects come out? As far back as I can remember the range of blue chip prospects in a draft has only been anywhere from 0-3.
Obviously I know a lot can change through the course of a year so some of these guys might see their draft stock tumble, but that can also mean another player jumps into that blue chip prospect level with a great year and they might see their stock soar.
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Top 5 as of now which is great. But remember last year Giles and smith Jr were projected 1 and 2 so things can always change. But looks good so far
I'm personally starting to warm up to the 2nd tier in case there are dark horses that rise. Someone like Wendell Carter can appear out of nowhere and rise to the top 5. There's good talent in that 2nd tier a lot of good bigs
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Here is tier 1 and tier 2/3 (imo) as of 8/9/2017. Of course it is ridiculously early but this is pretty much an educated guess of who the 8-10 best prospects will be in 10 months.
Just because I'm bored at work, I also threw in fun hybrid comparisons.
Tier 1:
Marvin Bagley= 50% Chris Bosh
50% Lamar Odom
Michael Porter Jr.= 33.3% Danillo Gallinari
33.3% Chandler Parsons
33.3% Rashard Lewis
Deandre Ayton= 50% Karl Towns
50% Greg Oden
Luka Doncic= 75% Gordon Hayward
25% Ricky Rubio
Mo Bamba= 95% Rudy Gobert
5% Anthony Davis
Tier2 and 3:
Miles Bridges= 33.3% Tobias Harris
33.3% Richard Jefferson
33.3% Aaron Gordon
Robert Williams
Collin Sexton
Trevon Duval
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If you’re right and Bamba is Rudy Gobert with a tad bit of AD splashed in, that is the guy we need lol.
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@CELTICSofBOSTON
If you’re right and Bamba is Rudy Gobert with a tad bit of AD splashed in, that is the guy we need lol.
I had to include a splash of Anthony Davis because unlike Gobert, I've seen Bamba hit a jump shot once or twice :laugh:
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I know his tiers are a bit polarizing around here, but are we going to have 5 Tier 1 prospects next year in Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba? And even if you don’t want to categorize it as Chad Ford draft tier 1, are we going to have 5 legit blue chip prospects come out? As far back as I can remember the range of blue chip prospects in a draft has only been anywhere from 0-3.
Obviously I know a lot can change through the course of a year so some of these guys might see their draft stock tumble, but that can also mean another player jumps into that blue chip prospect level with a great year and they might see their stock soar.
Didn't Chad Ford get fired?
Anyway, I think the biggest risks to fall out of that top tier are Bamba and Ayton. Both gad been rumored to have motor/motivation issues. We'll see if they carry over..
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I know his tiers are a bit polarizing around here, but are we going to have 5 Tier 1 prospects next year in Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba? And even if you don’t want to categorize it as Chad Ford draft tier 1, are we going to have 5 legit blue chip prospects come out? As far back as I can remember the range of blue chip prospects in a draft has only been anywhere from 0-3.
Obviously I know a lot can change through the course of a year so some of these guys might see their draft stock tumble, but that can also mean another player jumps into that blue chip prospect level with a great year and they might see their stock soar.
Didn't Chad Ford get fired?
Anyway, I think the biggest risks to fall out of that top tier are Bamba and Ayton. Both gad been rumored to have motor/motivation issues. We'll see if they carry over..
motor issues or not, we'd be lucky to have them. They'd only play low minutes for us anyways so as long as their motor works for that long were good
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I see 1 top tier and 4 second tier guys.
bagley being the top tier guy.
I wouldnt be shocked if Porter Jr. got up into that tier tho.
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I see 1 top tier and 4 second tier guys.
bagley being the top tier guy.
I wouldnt be shocked if Porter Jr. got up into that tier tho.
Yeah, I'm with you. I don't view Doncic at all on the level as other tier 1 prospects and I think Bamba's offensive limitations hold him back as well.
I actually think Ayton is a tier 1 prospect, but differing opinions are OK.
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At this stage I only view Bagley as a top tier guy, but I think Ayton and Doncic are most likely to make the leap into that tier, followed by Porter. I like Bamba, but I can't see him as a top tier prospect.
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How are the tier defined? Tier 1 is for the best of the class so it is relative to the class or is it for projected All NBA players?
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How are the tier defined? Tier 1 is for the best of the class so it is relative to the class or is it for projected All NBA players?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/6h7xhm/nba_draft_prospects_ranked_by_tier_fordespn/
It is for all players , not just for the class that they are in
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
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Projecting high school players success in the NBA is like predicting where a hurricane is going to hit when it is nothing more than a disturbance over the Atlantic Ocean. Even after a freshman year of college it is hard. I enjoy reading these things though. It is nice to get excited that we are going to have the first two picks in a draft that is shaping up to be a very good draft.
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
Dunno about Wall not being that great, considering he's a top point guard in the league. He just averaged roughly 23ppg, 11apg, 4rpg and 2spg. That's basically as elite as it gets.
But I do think Doncic could be on that level. His BBIQ is pretty off the charts, and at this stage (assuming he develops as I expect) he'll be a monster.
Will root for whoever Boston picks though.
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
Doncic better than Wall? John Wall not that good? ???
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
Doncic better than Wall? John Wall not that good? ???
Wall is overrated a bit. His VORP is 4.3. For comparison Hayward's is 4.0. Curry is at 6.2 and was at 9.8 the year before that.
I guess I don't see an elite player when I see John Wall, more of a really good player. Much like Hayward..
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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !
I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
Doncic better than Wall? John Wall not that good? ???
Wall is overrated a bit. His VORP is 4.3. For comparison Hayward's is 4.0. Curry is at 6.2 and was at 9.8 the year before that.
I guess I don't see an elite player when I see John Wall, more of a really good player. Much like Hayward..
I think using one stat to define whether a player is elite or not is a bit shortsighted.
Is Chris Paul's '08-'09 season better than any season Kobe had because his VORP is higher? No, because using a singular stat is faulty.
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How many people are stating opinion based on what they have heard, what clips they have seen, and what games they have watched? I would love to know this because Porter is every bit int he class of Bagley. Bagley can do more things but lets not short change Porter Jr because all of a sudden Bagley might reclassify and the scouts think he is good.
My Tiers based on seeing many of these guys play at least 4 or more games so far.
Tier 1
1. Bagley - Can shoot from the outside, handle the ball, very good rebounder, elite motor.
2. Porter Jr - Can really fill it up. Can shoot over virtually anyone. Good rebounder. Average handle. A bit upright and stiff in the hips. Will likely be an elite stretch 4.
Tier 2
3. Ayton - Great hands. Can really run the floor. Great rebounder. Has range on his jumper. Shoots a very flat shot. Has a tendency to float on the perimeter and through parts of games. Bad body language at times. Motor runs hot and cold. Back to the basket game is very raw.
4. Bamba - Elite length. Can be a real force in PnR as well as close outs. Very good rebounder. Elite shot blocker. Must get stronger because he loses position fairly easily. Range out to about 17 ft but is far from consistent there.
I wont go into Tier 3 just yet because thats the least developed for me at this point. I also didnt include Doncic because I have not watched enough actual game film on himm yet.
Lastly, whomever said Bamba has a motor issue I would love to know where that came from because I have never seen or heard any such thing.
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How many people are stating opinion based on what they have heard, what clips they have seen, and what games they have watched? I would love to know this because Porter is every bit int he class of Bagley. Bagley can do more things but lets not short change Porter Jr because all of a sudden Bagley might reclassify and the scouts think he is good.
My Tiers based on seeing many of these guys play at least 4 or more games so far.
Tier 1
1. Bagley - Can shoot from the outside, handle the ball, very good rebounder, elite motor.
2. Porter Jr - Can really fill it up. Can shoot over virtually anyone. Good rebounder. Average handle. A bit upright and stiff in the hips. Will likely be an elite stretch 4.
Tier 2
3. Ayton - Great hands. Can really run the floor. Great rebounder. Has range on his jumper. Shoots a very flat shot. Has a tendency to float on the perimeter and through parts of games. Bad body language at times. Motor runs hot and cold. Back to the basket game is very raw.
4. Bamba - Elite length. Can be a real force in PnR as well as close outs. Very good rebounder. Elite shot blocker. Must get stronger because he loses position fairly easily. Range out to about 17 ft but is far from consistent there.
I wont go into Tier 3 just yet because thats the least developed for me at this point. I also didnt include Doncic because I have not watched enough actual game film on himm yet.
Lastly, whomever said Bamba has a motor issue I would love to know where that came from because I have never seen or heard any such thing.
Bagley edges Porter just a bit for me because I like his physicality a bit more than Porter Jr at this point. That could of course change this year of college but we'll have to see. Bamba's motor issues are pretty well documented.
MOHAMED BAMBA, USA, C, CLASS OF 2017, UNCOMMITTED, 18.9 - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/ ©DraftExpress
Motor really runs hot and cold. Looks disinterested at times. Walks around, doesn't jog off the court when subbed out. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/ ©DraftExpress
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How many people are stating opinion based on what they have heard, what clips they have seen, and what games they have watched? I would love to know this because Porter is every bit int he class of Bagley. Bagley can do more things but lets not short change Porter Jr because all of a sudden Bagley might reclassify and the scouts think he is good.
My Tiers based on seeing many of these guys play at least 4 or more games so far.
Tier 1
1. Bagley - Can shoot from the outside, handle the ball, very good rebounder, elite motor.
2. Porter Jr - Can really fill it up. Can shoot over virtually anyone. Good rebounder. Average handle. A bit upright and stiff in the hips. Will likely be an elite stretch 4.
Tier 2
3. Ayton - Great hands. Can really run the floor. Great rebounder. Has range on his jumper. Shoots a very flat shot. Has a tendency to float on the perimeter and through parts of games. Bad body language at times. Motor runs hot and cold. Back to the basket game is very raw.
4. Bamba - Elite length. Can be a real force in PnR as well as close outs. Very good rebounder. Elite shot blocker. Must get stronger because he loses position fairly easily. Range out to about 17 ft but is far from consistent there.
I wont go into Tier 3 just yet because thats the least developed for me at this point. I also didnt include Doncic because I have not watched enough actual game film on himm yet.
Lastly, whomever said Bamba has a motor issue I would love to know where that came from because I have never seen or heard any such thing.
Bagley edges Porter just a bit for me because I like his physicality a bit more than Porter Jr at this point. That could of course change this year of college but we'll have to see. Bamba's motor issues are pretty well documented.
MOHAMED BAMBA, USA, C, CLASS OF 2017, UNCOMMITTED, 18.9 - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/ ©DraftExpress
Motor really runs hot and cold. Looks disinterested at times. Walks around, doesn't jog off the court when subbed out. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/ ©DraftExpress
Well having an edge on Porter doesnt/shouldnt mean they are in different Tiers at least in my book. But thats just my opinion.
Also Im surprised at that DX report. I have never seen that in the 4 or 5 times I have watched him. Now I will say that at least 2 of the times I have seen him were against Ayton so that could change his approach.
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https://www.theringer.com/2017/8/11/16117094/nba-draft-2018-marvin-bagley-michael-porter-deandre-ayton
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https://www.theringer.com/2017/8/11/16117094/nba-draft-2018-marvin-bagley-michael-porter-deandre-ayton
TP. This is a great write up that explains the pros and cons of each player. Good for someone like me who only looks at YouTube clips of these guys. Lol. Looking more specifically at their flaws I guess it's possible Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown could end up as good as any of these guys.
It is also gives us great leverage in trades if other teams buy into the hype and Ainge is lukewarm on any of them.