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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on July 25, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzuMi1PJiQ8
"Seattle will no doubt be on a short list of cities we'll look at"
""Expansion is not something we’re looking at right now. It is less a function of labor peace, it more goes to the strength of a 30-team league," said Silver.
Silver cited the financial health for all 30 NBA teams needs to be addressed before expansion.
"I have no doubt at some point we’ll turn back to it, but at least in my last discussions with our owners on this, most of them said let’s keep focusing on the health of these 30 teams and the quality of the competition. When we feel we’re in a better place with the 30 teams we have, maybe at that point we can look to expand.""
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We need to lose a few not add more.
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Vegas will be one of those teams.
Book it and bank it.
Their ticket revenue for their NHL team is already sky high.
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Sounds more like he is saying they are NOT expanding.
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We need to lose a few not add more.
Agree.
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There is some merit in adding 2 teams to go to 32. You can then either go to eight 4 teams divisions or four 8 team divisions, which should theoretically help with scheduling. So if you went with eight 4 teams divisions, you could play the other conference 2 games each (32 games), the other 3 divisions, 3 games each (36 games), and your division 5 times each (15 games) for an 83 game schedule. That would create better divisional rivalries. Or you could do four 8 team divisions where you still play the other conference 2 games (32 games), you play the other division 3 games (24 games) and you play your division 4 games (28 games) for a total of 84 games. In the first scenario you would just rotate each year the extra home or away game. I know that an odd number may not be ideal, but I think that is a nice even schedule for all teams. It does add some games, but I don't think that is as tough if you theoretically have a bit less travel (if the divisions are properly arranged to minimize it).
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Booooo. Too many teams as it is.
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Booooo. Too many teams as it is.
+10000000
In a league with a limited # of stars, I'd much rather have 10 teams than 30.
Do we really need to add a couple hundred more irrelevant games to the NBA schedule?
As Mark Cuban said, "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."
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Booooo. Too many teams as it is.
+10000000
In a league with a limited # of stars, I'd much rather have 10 teams than 30.
Do we really need to add a couple hundred more irrelevant games to the NBA schedule?
As Mark Cuban said, "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."
Precisely.
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The NBA is in a nice place with the strength of its product. Golden State is an outlier but a bit of a fluke of the cap spike. That won't last forever and the rest of the league is strong. Adding more teams would just be diluting the product, IMO.
Keep it 30 as long as they can.
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
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32 is the logical endpoint.
Seattle and Vegas make sense.
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
Mexico is just a bad idea.
Seattle is the most obvious. After them St. Louis, Kansas City, Louisville, and Las Vegas would make the most sense (not necessarily in that order).
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I can def see a Las Vegas and Seattle team at some point, then a reconfiguration of conferences that put Memphis and Minnesota in the East.
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
Mexico is just a bad idea.
Seattle is the most obvious. After them St. Louis, Kansas City, Louisville, and Las Vegas would make the most sense (not necessarily in that order).
please elaborate. keeping in mind.
- Easy travel route
- Would be the most populated city in the NBA, huge market
- Only American sports franchise, huge market
i do understand the risks, but frankly that's any big city, IMO
- Transportation
- country politics/laws
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
Mexico is just a bad idea.
Seattle is the most obvious. After them St. Louis, Kansas City, Louisville, and Las Vegas would make the most sense (not necessarily in that order).
please elaborate. keeping in mind.
- Easy travel route
- Would be the most populated city in the NBA, huge market
- Only American sports franchise, huge market
i do understand the risks, but frankly that's any big city, IMO
- Transportation
- country politics/laws
Mexico is a 3rd World Country in turmoil. Crime is rampant. It is very poor. It is dirty and filled with smog and pollution. It is also extremely elevated (which affects play). Plus you then have the VISA and travel problems associated with a foreign country. The NFL has played games there and they were unmitigated disasters, imagine playing 40+ games there every season. Mexico is just a bad idea and won't happen. Sure some exhibition games there might be a possibility (and maybe even a couple of regular season games), but not a full time regular team.
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
Mexico is just a bad idea.
Seattle is the most obvious. After them St. Louis, Kansas City, Louisville, and Las Vegas would make the most sense (not necessarily in that order).
please elaborate. keeping in mind.
- Easy travel route
- Would be the most populated city in the NBA, huge market
- Only American sports franchise, huge market
i do understand the risks, but frankly that's any big city, IMO
- Transportation
- country politics/laws
Mexico is a 3rd World Country in turmoil. Crime is rampant. It is very poor. It is dirty and filled with smog and pollution. It is also extremely elevated (which affects play). Plus you then have the VISA and travel problems associated with a foreign country. The NFL has played games there and they were unmitigated disasters, imagine playing 40+ games there every season. Mexico is just a bad idea and won't happen. Sure some exhibition games there might be a possibility (and maybe even a couple of regular season games), but not a full time regular team.
Mexico is the 13th largest economy in the world, and is most definitely not a 3rd world country. The Mexico City metropolitan area is larger than New York or Los Angeles any way you slice it. The NBA and FIBA hold games there every year. The NBA has been a North American league and not a United States league for decades including passports and customs for all personnel. The United States has the second most native Spanish speakers in the world and Mexico has the most. It would be an excellent move in my opinion for Mexico, for the NBA, and for the sport of basketball.
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
Mexico is just a bad idea.
Seattle is the most obvious. After them St. Louis, Kansas City, Louisville, and Las Vegas would make the most sense (not necessarily in that order).
please elaborate. keeping in mind.
- Easy travel route
- Would be the most populated city in the NBA, huge market
- Only American sports franchise, huge market
i do understand the risks, but frankly that's any big city, IMO
- Transportation
- country politics/laws
Mexico is a 3rd World Country in turmoil. Crime is rampant. It is very poor. It is dirty and filled with smog and pollution. It is also extremely elevated (which affects play). Plus you then have the VISA and travel problems associated with a foreign country. The NFL has played games there and they were unmitigated disasters, imagine playing 40+ games there every season. Mexico is just a bad idea and won't happen. Sure some exhibition games there might be a possibility (and maybe even a couple of regular season games), but not a full time regular team.
Mexico is the 13th largest economy in the world, and is most definitely not a 3rd world country. The Mexico City metropolitan area is larger than New York or Los Angeles any way you slice it. The NBA and FIBA hold games there every year. The NBA has been a North American league and not a United States league for decades including passports and customs for all personnel. The United States has the second most native Spanish speakers in the world and Mexico has the most. It would be an excellent move in my opinion for Mexico, for the NBA, and for the sport of basketball.
TP for being reality based
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My wife grew up in an actual 3rd world scenario (totality of indoor plumbing, for example = one sink) and there is no way on Earth she would consider for one second going to Mexico City compared to any other US or Canadian city, and neither would I. If I were drafted there I'd probably go to Europe.
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Mexico City and Seattle please..
would love to put them on my nba cities travel list
Mexico is just a bad idea.
Seattle is the most obvious. After them St. Louis, Kansas City, Louisville, and Las Vegas would make the most sense (not necessarily in that order).
please elaborate. keeping in mind.
- Easy travel route
- Would be the most populated city in the NBA, huge market
- Only American sports franchise, huge market
i do understand the risks, but frankly that's any big city, IMO
- Transportation
- country politics/laws
Mexico is a 3rd World Country in turmoil. Crime is rampant. It is very poor. It is dirty and filled with smog and pollution. It is also extremely elevated (which affects play). Plus you then have the VISA and travel problems associated with a foreign country. The NFL has played games there and they were unmitigated disasters, imagine playing 40+ games there every season. Mexico is just a bad idea and won't happen. Sure some exhibition games there might be a possibility (and maybe even a couple of regular season games), but not a full time regular team.
Mexico is the 13th largest economy in the world, and is most definitely not a 3rd world country. The Mexico City metropolitan area is larger than New York or Los Angeles any way you slice it. The NBA and FIBA hold games there every year. The NBA has been a North American league and not a United States league for decades including passports and customs for all personnel. The United States has the second most native Spanish speakers in the world and Mexico has the most. It would be an excellent move in my opinion for Mexico, for the NBA, and for the sport of basketball.
TP for being reality based
Nothing I said was not based in reality. I mean just this week, you have things like this story popping up https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-07-21/mexico-city-spike-in-crime-violence-sparks-fears-of-cartel-warfare
Some key points from the article
"All told, 206 murder investigations were opened in Mexico City between May and June, making it the bloodiest two month-period on record in the capital, official data show.
Mexico City and its urban sprawl form the economic heart of the country, accounting for roughly a quarter of gross domestic product, according to the OECD, and the rise in violence is a major embarrassment for the Mexican government.
The crime spree mirrors a rising tide of violence nationally that has exposed major law and order shortcomings by Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto and his ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party, less than a year before the next presidential election."
"As these smaller groups jostle over the kidnapping and extortion rackets, violence has soared. The country's murder tally this year is on track to post the highest since modern records began in 1997.
Various factors are seen behind the capital's rise in violence.
Weak economic growth and chronically low wages drive youths in poor neighborhoods into crime. These troubled youths often extort small business owners, eventually shuttering them which makes jobs even harder to come by, according to local policeman Jose."
"Francisco Rivas, director of the National Citizen Observatory, a civil group monitoring justice and security in Mexico, said regardless of what constitutes a cartel, the days of the capital being isolated from the drug violence were over.
"What's happening in Mexico City reflects the national outlook," he said. "We have a crisis of organized crime."'
There was even a time when Mexico cared about the environment, but they let go of many of the environmental restrictions they had in place and Mexico City in the span of a couple of years, went from pollution levels on par with Los Angeles, to having them go completely out of control in the last couple of years.
The average daily wage in Mexico was 335.59 pesos in May. That equates to about $18.90 US per day (the US average daily wage in May was $22.03 per HOUR).
Mexico's Human Development Index ("HDI" - the new index for rating countries) is .762 which rates them as 77th in the World. While they have generally eliminated the term "3rd World", Mexico with that rating is right there in the mix of other countries that previously would have been known as 3rd World countries. Which you know makes sense, since Mexico still has significantly large portions of the population whose formal education stops (if they had any at all) before they are teenagers. There is a very limited middle class with the population generally either being very poor or very rich. Crime is running rampant with corruption at all levels of the government and police force.
And to be clear, I've been to Mexico many times. My sister's first husband was Mexican with a ceremony in Mexico and she lived there. Her second/current husband was born in Mexico and immigrated to the US when he was a child. The country has a lot of beauty and is a wonderful place to visit (though right now is the most dangerous it has been in a very long time if not ever), but it is a not a place that should have a full time NBA team (or any other US based professional sport). The socio-economic factors just don't rate enough for a team to realistically be there any time in the near future.
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Vegas will be one of those teams.
Book it and bank it.
Their ticket revenue for their NHL team is already sky high.
3 to 1 says you're right! ;)
Forget too many teams or not enough teams. What they really need to do is reduce the schedule to 72 games. They'll never do anything that loses revenue, though.
Mike
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I will just place this right here:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/mexico-murder-rate-reaches-record-high-170622052056456.html
(http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/mexico-murder-rate-reaches-record-high-170622052056456.html)
Since Mexico first sent the military to fight drug trafficking in 2006, a wave of bloodshed has left more than 200,000 people dead or missing, as rival cartels wage war on each other and the army.
Discoveries of bodies tossed by the roadside, strung up on bridges as warnings to rival drug gangs, or buried in mass graves have become regular events in Mexico.
The capture or killing of major drug bosses during the past decade led to an increase in the number of gangs fighting each other over turf and battling government forces.
According to statistics from the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Mexico's murder rate in 2015 was 16.35 people per 100,000, higher than the US rate of 4.88 but much lower than in many countries in Central America and the Caribbean.
Like Canada, Mexico is our next door neighbor, but there is a reason we are extremely friendly with one country and many want a wall to block off the other. Personally, I would love to pour some military support into making Mexico an actual viable country where people want to go (outside of Acapulco and Cancun) or stay (if they are looking to emigrate from there).
Long story short, there ain't no way Mexico City is getting an NBA team. Vancouver (again) or Montreal have a much better chance if you are looking to expand throughout N. America.
Edit: TP Moranis for beating me to the punch.
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the league should contract, not expand, based on the current talent level within the league. take out 4-rosters-worth of crappy players and the overall talent in the league greatly improves the overall product and would put more of a roadblock to GSW running through the league again.
having said that, if they do expand, I hate the idea of Mexico city. Population center be [dang]ed. There's too much poverty, population and crime to make it worth it and would give some of the people who travel to see a team more than just a moment's pause when considering that as a travel destination.
There's a number of US cities that are large enough to support a franchise that would make good locations:
Seattle, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, San Diego, Cincinnati, Jacksonville --> almost any large city that is already supporting a major league franchise in another sport. I'm omitting Las Vegas because I still have a low comfort level allowing a team in the gambling mecca of the country (if not the world).
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Could you imagine if a fine young American man like Gordon Hayward or Jayson Tatum or Doug McDermott or Jeremy Lin were murdered in Mexico City for any reason whatsoever?
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It occurs to me that the league would be better served focusing on expanding the D-League (G-League?). I know they're not big money makers but if every team had its own affiliate, and it was a real league, having it as a smaller, less expensive alternative in areas where the closest NBA franchise might be far away could become a viable (if small) revenue stream for the league.
And that also makes the NBA product better by allowing more late bloomers a place to develop in the US.
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Could you imagine if a fine young American man like Gordon Hayward or Jayson Tatum or Doug McDermott or Jeremy Lin were murdered in Mexico City for any reason whatsoever?
How about Kidnapped, How easy would it be for a cartel to spot a 6'9" American basketball player that everyone knew was worth 100 million dollars?
The player is out enjoying nightlife and us forced into a van at gunpoint. Now they want 10 million. I'm sure NBA players would love to live there. Not!
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Could you imagine if a fine young American man like Gordon Hayward or Jayson Tatum or Doug McDermott or Jeremy Lin were murdered in Mexico City for any reason whatsoever?
How about Kidnapped, How easy would it be for a cartel to spot a 6'9" American basketball player that everyone knew was worth 100 million dollars?
The player is out enjoying nightlife and us forced into a van at gunpoint. Now they want 10 million. I'm sure NBA players would love to live there. Not!
But the NBA tries to cheap out and negotiates for only 50mill so they get him back but minus his left hand
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It occurs to me that the league would be better served focusing on expanding the D-League (G-League?). I know they're not big money makers but if every team had its own affiliate, and it was a real league, having it as a smaller, less expensive alternative in areas where the closest NBA franchise might be far away could become a viable (if small) revenue stream for the league.
And that also makes the NBA product better by allowing more late bloomers a place to develop in the US.
This has been an issue for a number of years, but your wish is actually coming to reality. Beginning in the 18-19 season, there will only be two teams left that do not have a G-League affiliate (Blazers and Nuggets). A few other teams don't actually own their G-League affiliate, but I imagine over the next few years, all of this will be ironed out.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/nba-g-league-affiliates-for-201718-season.html (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/nba-g-league-affiliates-for-201718-season.html)
It has been a long time coming for sure. It makes you realize how lucky we have been to have the Red Claws for such a long time. Hopefully with the introduction of two-way contracts and each team having an affiliate, there will be a much more fluid system in play. Teams like the Cs with so many picks shouldn't be penalized.
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Could you imagine if a fine young American man like Gordon Hayward or Jayson Tatum or Doug McDermott or Jeremy Lin were murdered in Mexico City for any reason whatsoever?
How about Kidnapped, How easy would it be for a cartel to spot a 6'9" American basketball player that everyone knew was worth 100 million dollars?
The player is out enjoying nightlife and us forced into a van at gunpoint. Now they want 10 million. I'm sure NBA players would love to live there. Not!
But the NBA tries to cheap out and negotiates for only 50mill so they get him back but minus his left hand
which shouldn't be an issue provided the player is a righty without any kind of crossover move ;)
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Agreed. It probably wouldn't have affected Perkins for example. Granted Perk would kill them
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Juarez would be a really good place to start the franchise, being right across the border and can attract both US and Mexican citizens for games.
lol
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Sigh.. let me end some misconceptions right now. Since it sounds a little bit like ignorance, rather than facts.
1st.. we are talking about mexico city, not mexico. Northern mexico is infested with with crime and drug cartels and skews all crime rate numbers significantly. Mexico city is 1200 miles from Juarez, the heart of cartel activity. That's the equivalent of blaming Boston for the ridiculous murder rate in Chicago.
2nd... a lot of ppl are referring to the "murder rate" as an indicator of crime.
Mexico City itself has a murder rate between 5.06 per 100,000 people (cited article below, yes its in spanish). Take the article for what it's worth.
If you compare that to the top 30 highest murder rates US cities.. it wouldnt even make the list, since the 30th worst is sitting at 16 per 100k ppl.
In fact, 11 NBA Cities have a higher murder rate
Mexico City's current murder rate: http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2016/10/05/nota/5838907/ciudad-mexico-tiene-tasa-homicidios-mas-alta-16-anos
Top 30 US cities here: http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html
3rd. All of the mexico city soccer teams have survived just fine without random murders and kidnappings. Because they can afford security. You don't think an NBA team can afford 24x7x365 security?
4th. I'll just leave a list of these American soccer players playing in Mexico. All parts of Mexico.
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
Don't mean to be political, but I go to Mexico City a few times a year. There are plenty scarier things to deal with in NYC and Chicago.
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Sigh.. let me end some misconceptions right now. Since it sounds a little bit like ignorance, rather than facts.
1st.. we are talking about mexico city, not mexico. Northern mexico is infested with with crime and drug cartels and skews all crime rate numbers significantly. Mexico city is 1200 miles from Juarez, the heart of cartel activity. That's the equivalent of blaming Boston for the ridiculous murder rate in Chicago.
2nd... a lot of ppl are referring to the "murder rate" as an indicator of crime.
Mexico City itself has a murder rate between 5.06 per 100,000 people (cited article below, yes its in spanish). Take the article for what it's worth.
If you compare that to the top 30 highest murder rates US cities.. it wouldnt even make the list, since the 30th worst is sitting at 16 per 100k ppl.
In fact, 11 NBA Cities have a higher murder rate
Mexico City's current murder rate: http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2016/10/05/nota/5838907/ciudad-mexico-tiene-tasa-homicidios-mas-alta-16-anos
Top 30 US cities here: http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html
3rd. All of the mexico city soccer teams have survived just fine without random murders and kidnappings. Because they can afford security. You don't think an NBA team can afford 24x7x365 security?
4th. I'll just leave a list of these American soccer players playing in Mexico. All parts of Mexico.
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
Don't mean to be political, but I go to Mexico City a few times a year. There are plenty scarier things to deal with in NYC and Chicago.
Strong post. Lot of ignorance in the anti-mexico comments.
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
I'm sure there might be some totalitarian states somewhere with really high standards of living and low murder rates, but I'm not moving there either if I can possibly avoid it. I don't really get the players that go to China either, but they do. Yay Starbury.
What's the theft rate? Arson rate? Rape rate? What are the schools like? What's the homelessness issue? Hospitals? Court system? Police?
Mexico has frequently been sited as within shooting distance of being a failed state. I want nothing to do with that place, nor quite a lot of other "nice" places if at all possible.
Trying to sell people on Mexico City over Montreal (just for example) strikes me as absurd. Would you like to live in Mexico City over Montreal? Or Vancouver? Really?
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
aka. 11 nba cities.
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Sigh.. let me end some misconceptions right now. Since it sounds a little bit like ignorance, rather than facts.
1st.. we are talking about mexico city, not mexico. Northern mexico is infested with with crime and drug cartels and skews all crime rate numbers significantly. Mexico city is 1200 miles from Juarez, the heart of cartel activity. That's the equivalent of blaming Boston for the ridiculous murder rate in Chicago.
2nd... a lot of ppl are referring to the "murder rate" as an indicator of crime.
Mexico City itself has a murder rate between 5.06 per 100,000 people (cited article below, yes its in spanish). Take the article for what it's worth.
If you compare that to the top 30 highest murder rates US cities.. it wouldnt even make the list, since the 30th worst is sitting at 16 per 100k ppl.
In fact, 11 NBA Cities have a higher murder rate
Mexico City's current murder rate: http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2016/10/05/nota/5838907/ciudad-mexico-tiene-tasa-homicidios-mas-alta-16-anos
Top 30 US cities here: http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html
3rd. All of the mexico city soccer teams have survived just fine without random murders and kidnappings. Because they can afford security. You don't think an NBA team can afford 24x7x365 security?
4th. I'll just leave a list of these American soccer players playing in Mexico. All parts of Mexico.
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
Don't mean to be political, but I go to Mexico City a few times a year. There are plenty scarier things to deal with in NYC and Chicago.
Strong post. Lot of ignorance in the anti-mexico comments.
Thanks. Just a lot of flying rhetoric.
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we need less games not more , not more watering down of talent . Its spread too thin as it is.
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Mexico City and Seattle are two top choices. iirc Silver did mention Seattle.
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
aka. 11 nba cities.
I get it. But I actually hope to go see all those cities some day. Mexico City however.....similar to how sewer rat may taste like Pumpkin Pie, but I'd never know because I'd never eat the filthy thing Mexico City may be Shangri La meets Camelot but I'd never know because I'd never go there.
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
aka. 11 nba cities.
I get it. But I actually hope to go see all those cities some day. Mexico City however.....similar to how sewer rat may taste like Pumpkin Pie, but I'd never know because I'd never eat the filthy thing Mexico City may be Shangri La meets Camelot but I'd never know because I'd never go there.
Is it Mexico City or Mexico in general? Do you feel the same about places like Cancun or Cabo?
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
aka. 11 nba cities.
I get it. But I actually hope to go see all those cities some day. Mexico City however.....similar to how sewer rat may taste like Pumpkin Pie, but I'd never know because I'd never eat the filthy thing Mexico City may be Shangri La meets Camelot but I'd never know because I'd never go there.
Is it Mexico City or Mexico in general? Do you feel the same about places like Cancun or Cabo?
All Mexico, but Cabo would probably be the one I'd be more likely to go to if needed. I am aware that Mexico is America's most traveled to vacation destiny.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzuMi1PJiQ8
"Seattle will no doubt be on a short list of cities we'll look at"
""Expansion is not something we’re looking at right now. It is less a function of labor peace, it more goes to the strength of a 30-team league," said Silver.
Silver cited the financial health for all 30 NBA teams needs to be addressed before expansion.
"I have no doubt at some point we’ll turn back to it, but at least in my last discussions with our owners on this, most of them said let’s keep focusing on the health of these 30 teams and the quality of the competition. When we feel we’re in a better place with the 30 teams we have, maybe at that point we can look to expand.""
I'm not hearing all those quotes in that short 53 second clip, and I've tried a few related clips too. But in any case, if we said those things then expansion is not imminent. Even if it happens soon, I doubt they pass over domestic cities in favor of international cities.
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You can give Mexico a team, but they have to play in San Diego or somewhere in New Mexico. Problem solved. 8)
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
aka. 11 nba cities.
I get it. But I actually hope to go see all those cities some day. Mexico City however.....similar to how sewer rat may taste like Pumpkin Pie, but I'd never know because I'd never eat the filthy thing Mexico City may be Shangri La meets Camelot but I'd never know because I'd never go there.
Is it Mexico City or Mexico in general? Do you feel the same about places like Cancun or Cabo?
All Mexico, but Cabo would probably be the one I'd be more likely to go to if needed. I am aware that Mexico is America's most traveled to vacation destiny.
Man you are missing out. If I could retire in Loreto some day I'd be a lucky man.
Good friend planning to expat to Oaxaca region.
Mex is an amazing place.
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Comparing Mexico City to our most crime ridden cities at the moment might not be a winning strategy.
aka. 11 nba cities.
I get it. But I actually hope to go see all those cities some day. Mexico City however.....similar to how sewer rat may taste like Pumpkin Pie, but I'd never know because I'd never eat the filthy thing Mexico City may be Shangri La meets Camelot but I'd never know because I'd never go there.
Is it Mexico City or Mexico in general? Do you feel the same about places like Cancun or Cabo?
All Mexico, but Cabo would probably be the one I'd be more likely to go to if needed. I am aware that Mexico is America's most traveled to vacation destiny.
Man you are missing out. If I could retire in Loreto some day I'd be a lucky man.
Good friend planning to expat to Oaxaca region.
Mex is an amazing place.
I see what you are saying but I accept there are a lot of places I'll never see or at least that I have to prioritize. I am hopeful that someday Mexico can be in a much better situation than it is now. I definitely don't wish ill on Mexico. Quite the opposite.
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Sigh.. let me end some misconceptions right now. Since it sounds a little bit like ignorance, rather than facts.
1st.. we are talking about mexico city, not mexico. Northern mexico is infested with with crime and drug cartels and skews all crime rate numbers significantly. Mexico city is 1200 miles from Juarez, the heart of cartel activity. That's the equivalent of blaming Boston for the ridiculous murder rate in Chicago.
2nd... a lot of ppl are referring to the "murder rate" as an indicator of crime.
Mexico City itself has a murder rate between 5.06 per 100,000 people (cited article below, yes its in spanish). Take the article for what it's worth.
If you compare that to the top 30 highest murder rates US cities.. it wouldnt even make the list, since the 30th worst is sitting at 16 per 100k ppl.
In fact, 11 NBA Cities have a higher murder rate
Mexico City's current murder rate: http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2016/10/05/nota/5838907/ciudad-mexico-tiene-tasa-homicidios-mas-alta-16-anos
Top 30 US cities here: http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/collection_5a789407-4d43-5403-ad56-7c47880bda8e.html
3rd. All of the mexico city soccer teams have survived just fine without random murders and kidnappings. Because they can afford security. You don't think an NBA team can afford 24x7x365 security?
4th. I'll just leave a list of these American soccer players playing in Mexico. All parts of Mexico.
https://ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
Don't mean to be political, but I go to Mexico City a few times a year. There are plenty scarier things to deal with in NYC and Chicago.
there has been a heavy increase in murder and other violent crime in Mexico City recently and it isn't some random uptick, it has been coming for a long time. The fact that you are claiming a team and it's players will need 24/7/365 security pretty much says all you need to know about your own position with regards to safety.
And that says nothing about the extreme poverty, lack of education, and significant corruption that runs rampant through the City.
As you say, plenty of Americans play professional soccer in Mexico but there is a very large difference between an American or two playing in a Mexican league with mostly Mexican players versus a single Team with 0 Mexicans in a US league with US dollars in play.
At the end of the day when comparing Meixci City tobplaves like Seattle, St. Louis, Louisville, Las Vegas, etc. there reslly is no comparison as a location for a full time team i.e. Mexico City loses every time.
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Expansion is inevitable, especially since the NBA isn't yet at the magical "32" number. However, I hope it doesn't happen. Basketball is tilted toward stars, especially the elite ones. At a given time there are really only a handful of stars that are a tier above the rest, and only a few teams each season that have a realistic shot at winning a title. If you add more teams, really you're just increasing the number of teams that have no shot, as it won't have an impact on the top teams.
The best teams will always be stacked with a top superstar or two, plus 1-2 other lower-tier stars, whatever fits under the cap/tax. It will be the huge glut of mediocre and bad teams that will have more competition and be watered down. The addition of two teams will just make these middling teams overpay even more for lesser "stars" who demand max deals only because the top guys are not available.
The treadmill of mediocrity will become an even bigger issue than it already is, since a borderline playoff team will be picking around 16 in the draft, a slot where getting even a rotation player is no sure thing. It will be harder to tank because if you have any talent at all it will be near-impossible to lose enough to break into the the lower lottery.
Regarding what cities should get a team, put my vote in for Seattle and Vancouver. I know, they're close together but Canada really should have another team. I don't find any of the proposed American cities (San Diego, St. Louis, Las Vegas) appealing. San Diego is so close to LA, where they already have two teams. St. Louis is a small market. Vegas is intriguing but it doesn't seem like a real city to me. Add Seattle and Vancouver and move Memphis to the Eastern Conference where it belongs.
If I could play fantasy NBA commissioner, I'd move the Grizzlies back to Vancouver (I like continuity) and the Thunder back to Seattle. Add San Diego to the west since players would likely be drawn there, then give Nashville an expansion team in the East. Give the team a Tennessean moniker so that it could represent the whole of Tennessee as opposed to just Nashville and hope Memphis fans can support it.
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how about some tainted alcohol at a resort killing an American. nothing in the story about Mexico City, but apparently this is an issue all over Mexico.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-state-department-warns-travelers-of-tainted-alcohol-at-mexico-resorts/ar-AAoSAgZ?OCID=ansmsnnews11
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how about some tainted alcohol at a resort killing an American. nothing in the story about Mexico City, but apparently this is an issue all over Mexico.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-state-department-warns-travelers-of-tainted-alcohol-at-mexico-resorts/ar-AAoSAgZ?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Geez man this is really reaching...
There is one person that may have gotten poisoned in January? Do you know how many worse stories there are in US cities all the time. Have you heard of Flint Michigan?
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Currently I'd rather live in Flint
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My wife grew up in an actual 3rd world scenario (totality of indoor plumbing, for example = one sink) and there is no way on Earth she would consider for one second going to Mexico City compared to any other US or Canadian city, and neither would I. If I were drafted there I'd probably go to Europe.
Just curious.. Have you and the wife ever been to Mexico City?
Frankly, I get sick and tired of friends coming back from there and raving about it incessantly...
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Nope. Although I did go to Tijuana once in the 90s
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Expansion is inevitable, especially since the NBA isn't yet at the magical "32" number. However, I hope it doesn't happen. Basketball is tilted toward stars, especially the elite ones. At a given time there are really only a handful of stars that are a tier above the rest, and only a few teams each season that have a realistic shot at winning a title. If you add more teams, really you're just increasing the number of teams that have no shot, as it won't have an impact on the top teams.
The best teams will always be stacked with a top superstar or two, plus 1-2 other lower-tier stars, whatever fits under the cap/tax. It will be the huge glut of mediocre and bad teams that will have more competition and be watered down. The addition of two teams will just make these middling teams overpay even more for lesser "stars" who demand max deals only because the top guys are not available.
The treadmill of mediocrity will become an even bigger issue than it already is, since a borderline playoff team will be picking around 16 in the draft, a slot where getting even a rotation player is no sure thing. It will be harder to tank because if you have any talent at all it will be near-impossible to lose enough to break into the the lower lottery.
Regarding what cities should get a team, put my vote in for Seattle and Vancouver. I know, they're close together but Canada really should have another team. I don't find any of the proposed American cities (San Diego, St. Louis, Las Vegas) appealing. San Diego is so close to LA, where they already have two teams. St. Louis is a small market. Vegas is intriguing but it doesn't seem like a real city to me. Add Seattle and Vancouver and move Memphis to the Eastern Conference where it belongs.
If I could play fantasy NBA commissioner, I'd move the Grizzlies back to Vancouver (I like continuity) and the Thunder back to Seattle. Add San Diego to the west since players would likely be drawn there, then give Nashville an expansion team in the East. Give the team a Tennessean moniker so that it could represent the whole of Tennessee as opposed to just Nashville and hope Memphis fans can support it.
OKC and Memphis are not going anywhere. They sell out. Seattle Deserves a team.
Memphis is the 20th largest city, OKC 29th. Largest Market without a team is Jacksonville Fl then Columbus Ohio and El Paso. Seattle is 22nd largest.
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When you look at US metro areas places that don't have teams that are comparable to cities that already have teams are St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Kansas City, San Jose, Jacksonville, Raleigh, Louisville, and even Buffalo, but some of these have decent college teams and are pushing it. Jacksonville and Buffalo, for example aren't having the easiest time with their NFL teams.
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When you look at US metro areas places that don't have teams that are comparable to cities that already have teams are St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Kansas City, San Jose, Jacksonville, Raleigh, Louisville, and even Buffalo, but some of these have decent college teams and are pushing it. Jacksonville and Buffalo, for example aren't having the easiest time with their NFL teams.
I'd think Kansas City would be a decent location. Their two major league franchises have very loyal fanbases, and college basketball is incredibly popular in the area. Their biggest obstacle is that they don't have another potential tenant to share an NBA arena with, as most arenas either have a hockey team or a D-1 college team (or both) in addition to the NBA. I don't think UMKC is enough of a draw to be a secondary tenant.
On the plus side, I'm sure they would have no problem selling naming rights, as the area is headquarters to multiple major corporations that typically advertise during sporting events (Sprint, H&R Block, Applebees to a lesser extent). So yeah, I pick Kansas City to go along with Seattle.
I think Vegas is the most logical option if the Raiders and the NHL team show an ability to survive in that market. It'd draw free agents, and summer league is a huge success there already, and there would be no need to build an arena.
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how about some tainted alcohol at a resort killing an American. nothing in the story about Mexico City, but apparently this is an issue all over Mexico.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-state-department-warns-travelers-of-tainted-alcohol-at-mexico-resorts/ar-AAoSAgZ?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Geez man this is really reaching...
There is one person that may have gotten poisoned in January? Do you know how many worse stories there are in US cities all the time. Have you heard of Flint Michigan?
"The U.S. State Department is cautioning Americans traveling to Mexico about possible tainted or low quality alcohol that could cause vacationers illness or black outs."
"The 20-year-old drowned and her brother was seriously injured after drinking shots at the Iberostar Hotel & Resorts' Paraiso del Mar. He does not remember what happened."
"The Journal Sentinel reported it has been in contact with more than three dozen people with accounts of similar experiences at resorts near Cancun and Playa del Carmen. In each case, people discussed a drugging-like sensation and memory loss after having as little as one or two drinks."
Apparently you didn't read the article and frankly the last time I checked the US Government wasn't in the habit of issuing travel warnings because of 1 isolated incident.
And of course I know what happened in Flint and I know about the algae bloom that contaminated Toledo, Ohio's water not that long ago as well, but you still can't drink the water safely in Mexico pretty much anywhere so I'm not sure those would be the examples you should rely on to show the safety of Mexico.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/10000-gallons-of-tainted-alcohol-were-seized-from-mexican-resorts/ar-AAq8X3N?OCID=ansmsnnews11
10,000 gallons of tainted alcohol were seized from Mexican resorts in Cancun and Playa Del Carmen. They were all apparently provided by the same manufacturer.
Also of note, Euromonitor International says that up to 36% of all alcohol consumed in Mexico is illegal.
The alcohol that killed the American was expired, unlabeled, and kept in unsanitary conditions.
Even some of the more well known and famous bars like Fat Tuesday had alcohol seized.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty of bars in the U.S. that have expired, unlabeled, and alcohol stored in unsanitary conditions, but you don't find widespread reports of people getting sick and blacking out after one drink or people dying from it. You also don't have up to 36% of alcohol being served in the U.S. that is illegal. And while this has nothing directly to do with a NBA team, it does show some fundamental problems with lesser developed countries, and why said countries should not have a full time US based league professional team in them. The occasional game in Mexico is fine, but no way Mexico should have an actual team. It just isn't a viable country for that.
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How has this thread become an anti-Mexican tourism pitch? Move on...
On topic.. Seattle has to get a team whenever an expansion happens, it'd be shameful if they didn't.
For the other franchise I'd pick a market out West, probably Las Vegas given the growing brand there. I don't know too much about the geography of the Mid-West but there could be other suitable places.
This would also be an opportunity for the NBA to do away with conferences. 32 teams in divisions of 8 would work. Play your division 4 times(28), other divisions twice(48) for 76 games total which would ease the fixture congestion without removing too many games.
Guarantee the top seed in each division a top 4 seed in the playoffs and then fill it out with the next best 12 records.
Edit: Divisions after the expansion
Division A: Portland, Sac, GS, LAC, LAL, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Seattle
Division B: Utah, Denver, OKC, Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans
Division C: Boston, New York, Brooklyn, Philly, Washington, Miami, Orlando, Charlotte
Division D: Minnesota, Cleveland, Indiana, Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, Atlanta
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How has this thread become an anti-Mexican tourism pitch? Move on...
On topic.. Seattle has to get a team whenever an expansion happens, it'd be shameful if they didn't.
For the other franchise I'd pick a market out West, probably Las Vegas given the growing brand there. I don't know too much about the geography of the Mid-West but there could be other suitable places.
This would also be an opportunity for the NBA to do away with conferences. 32 teams in divisions of 8 would work. Play your division 4 times(28), other divisions twice(48) for 76 games total which would ease the fixture congestion without removing too many games.
Guarantee the top seed in each division a top 4 seed in the playoffs and then fill it out with the next best 12 records.
Edit: Divisions after the expansion
Division A: Portland, Sac, GS, LAC, LAL, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Seattle
Division B: Utah, Denver, OKC, Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans
Division C: Boston, New York, Brooklyn, Philly, Washington, Miami, Orlando, Charlotte
Division D: Minnesota, Cleveland, Indiana, Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, Atlanta
Your divisions are strange
Assuming Seattle and Vegas, which are probably the two most likely, I'd do the divisions something like this
A - Seattle, Portland, GS, Sacto, Salt Lake, LAC, LAL, Vegas
B - Denver, Phoenix, OKC, Dallas, San An, Houston, N.O., Memphis
C - Boston, NY, Brooklyn, Philly, Washington, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit
D - Minnesota, Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Charlotte
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How has this thread become an anti-Mexican tourism pitch? Move on...
On topic.. Seattle has to get a team whenever an expansion happens, it'd be shameful if they didn't.
For the other franchise I'd pick a market out West, probably Las Vegas given the growing brand there. I don't know too much about the geography of the Mid-West but there could be other suitable places.
This would also be an opportunity for the NBA to do away with conferences. 32 teams in divisions of 8 would work. Play your division 4 times(28), other divisions twice(48) for 76 games total which would ease the fixture congestion without removing too many games.
Guarantee the top seed in each division a top 4 seed in the playoffs and then fill it out with the next best 12 records.
Edit: Divisions after the expansion
Division A: Portland, Sac, GS, LAC, LAL, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Seattle
Division B: Utah, Denver, OKC, Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, New Orleans
Division C: Boston, New York, Brooklyn, Philly, Washington, Miami, Orlando, Charlotte
Division D: Minnesota, Cleveland, Indiana, Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, Atlanta
Your divisions are strange
Assuming Seattle and Vegas, which are probably the two most likely, I'd do the divisions something like this
A - Seattle, Portland, GS, Sacto, Salt Lake, LAC, LAL, Vegas
B - Denver, Phoenix, OKC, Dallas, San An, Houston, N.O., Memphis
C - Boston, NY, Brooklyn, Philly, Washington, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit
D - Minnesota, Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Charlotte
I mean you can do it either way but I thought it unfair to shove the florida teams with Minnesota. That's a lot of travel for that division which can be spread out. The way I did it also has a West coast and East coast division which seems to make sense. Also Phoenix is nearer the West coast teams than Utah, which is why I did it that way around.
Either way though works. The main thing is it would be a good opportunity to remove conferences and make the playoffs about the best teams
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/10000-gallons-of-tainted-alcohol-were-seized-from-mexican-resorts/ar-AAq8X3N?OCID=ansmsnnews11
10,000 gallons of tainted alcohol were seized from Mexican resorts in Cancun and Playa Del Carmen. They were all apparently provided by the same manufacturer.
Also of note, Euromonitor International says that up to 36% of all alcohol consumed in Mexico is illegal.
The alcohol that killed the American was expired, unlabeled, and kept in unsanitary conditions.
Even some of the more well known and famous bars like Fat Tuesday had alcohol seized.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty of bars in the U.S. that have expired, unlabeled, and alcohol stored in unsanitary conditions, but you don't find widespread reports of people getting sick and blacking out after one drink or people dying from it. You also don't have up to 36% of alcohol being served in the U.S. that is illegal. And while this has nothing directly to do with a NBA team, it does show some fundamental problems with lesser developed countries, and why said countries should not have a full time US based league professional team in them. The occasional game in Mexico is fine, but no way Mexico should have an actual team. It just isn't a viable country for that.
You are really representing Ohio and middle America well with this angle. Good work.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/10000-gallons-of-tainted-alcohol-were-seized-from-mexican-resorts/ar-AAq8X3N?OCID=ansmsnnews11
10,000 gallons of tainted alcohol were seized from Mexican resorts in Cancun and Playa Del Carmen. They were all apparently provided by the same manufacturer.
Also of note, Euromonitor International says that up to 36% of all alcohol consumed in Mexico is illegal.
The alcohol that killed the American was expired, unlabeled, and kept in unsanitary conditions.
Even some of the more well known and famous bars like Fat Tuesday had alcohol seized.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty of bars in the U.S. that have expired, unlabeled, and alcohol stored in unsanitary conditions, but you don't find widespread reports of people getting sick and blacking out after one drink or people dying from it. You also don't have up to 36% of alcohol being served in the U.S. that is illegal. And while this has nothing directly to do with a NBA team, it does show some fundamental problems with lesser developed countries, and why said countries should not have a full time US based league professional team in them. The occasional game in Mexico is fine, but no way Mexico should have an actual team. It just isn't a viable country for that.
You are really representing Ohio and middle America well with this angle. Good work.
Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. are you talking about?
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bring the Sonics back, although when i was there couple weeks ago, the people there didn't care much about it, they're more excited about their seahawks now (guess that kinda makes sense)
But yea I think Vegas will definitely have a team
the Vegas Gamblers =P
So what Eastern Conference might get a team? St Louis? Nashville?
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
Timberwolves make more sense I think. A lot less travel for them playing Milwaukee, Chicago, etc. more times than teams like LA. Memphis obviously has a lot of travel as well, but you can at least put them with OKC and the Texas teams to ease the burden. The Wolves really are all alone in the West.
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Don't need anymore teams..there's too many now
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Going have 5-6 superteams...rest going be awful..
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Going have 5-6 superteams...rest going be awful..
We only have one super team now.
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Going have 5-6 superteams...rest going be awful..
We only have one super team now.
The Boston Celtics
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I'm very okay with expansion. I'm much more okay with expansion with promotion and relegation of bad teams to a lower league.
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I'm very okay with expansion. I'm much more okay with expansion with promotion and relegation of bad teams to a lower league.
How is the draft system going to work if let's say the bottom 3 teams (or whatever) are relegated to a lower league?
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
Timberwolves make more sense I think. A lot less travel for them playing Milwaukee, Chicago, etc. more times than teams like LA. Memphis obviously has a lot of travel as well, but you can at least put them with OKC and the Texas teams to ease the burden. The Wolves really are all alone in the West.
I think it's amazing how spread out some of the other divisions are when you actually look at a map. Man TWolves definitely get a raw deal being set up in the West. That whole Northwest division really, spread across 3 time zones. Of course adding Seattle will at least give Portland somebody somewhat close by. But there's really no way to balance the conferences/divisions evenly.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/40/9e/5a/409e5aeca7602f04be6b300810b676ea.jpg)
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
Timberwolves make more sense I think. A lot less travel for them playing Milwaukee, Chicago, etc. more times than teams like LA. Memphis obviously has a lot of travel as well, but you can at least put them with OKC and the Texas teams to ease the burden. The Wolves really are all alone in the West.
I think it's amazing how spread out some of the other divisions are when you actually look at a map. Man TWolves definitely get a raw deal being set up in the West. That whole Northwest division really, spread across 3 time zones. Of course adding Seattle will at least give Portland somebody somewhat close by. But there's really no way to balance the conferences/divisions evenly.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/40/9e/5a/409e5aeca7602f04be6b300810b676ea.jpg)
Imo the Blazers should join the Pacific and the Suns should join the Northwest (or let's say the Midwest).
(http://i.imgur.com/RapIHMb.png)
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
Timberwolves make more sense I think. A lot less travel for them playing Milwaukee, Chicago, etc. more times than teams like LA. Memphis obviously has a lot of travel as well, but you can at least put them with OKC and the Texas teams to ease the burden. The Wolves really are all alone in the West.
I think it's amazing how spread out some of the other divisions are when you actually look at a map. Man TWolves definitely get a raw deal being set up in the West. That whole Northwest division really, spread across 3 time zones. Of course adding Seattle will at least give Portland somebody somewhat close by. But there's really no way to balance the conferences/divisions evenly.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/40/9e/5a/409e5aeca7602f04be6b300810b676ea.jpg)
Yep. I think going to 4 team divisions when adding 2 teams would help a great deal with that.
A - Boston, NY, BKN, PHI
B - Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Washington
C - Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami
D - Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana, Chicago
E - Dallas, New Orleans, San Antonio, Houston
F - Memphis, OKC, Denver, Utah
G - LAL, LAC, Phoenix, Vegas
H - Sacramento, Golden State, Portland, Seattle
You could move a team here or there, but I think those divisions all make a good deal of sense. A team in St. Louis or Louisville instead of Vegas would also help even more by giving Memphis a much closer geographical rival.
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
Timberwolves make more sense I think. A lot less travel for them playing Milwaukee, Chicago, etc. more times than teams like LA. Memphis obviously has a lot of travel as well, but you can at least put them with OKC and the Texas teams to ease the burden. The Wolves really are all alone in the West.
I think it's amazing how spread out some of the other divisions are when you actually look at a map. Man TWolves definitely get a raw deal being set up in the West. That whole Northwest division really, spread across 3 time zones. Of course adding Seattle will at least give Portland somebody somewhat close by. But there's really no way to balance the conferences/divisions evenly.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/40/9e/5a/409e5aeca7602f04be6b300810b676ea.jpg)
Yep. I think going to 4 team divisions when adding 2 teams would help a great deal with that.
A - Boston, NY, BKN, PHI
B - Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Washington
C - Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami
D - Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana, Chicago
E - Dallas, New Orleans, San Antonio, Houston
F - Memphis, OKC, Denver, Utah
G - LAL, LAC, Phoenix, Vegas
H - Sacramento, Golden State, Portland, Seattle
You could move a team here or there, but I think those divisions all make a good deal of sense. A team in St. Louis or Louisville instead of Vegas would also help even more by giving Memphis a much closer geographical rival.
TP...I like this idea.
A team plays each team in the other conference two times, 32 games. Plays each team in their conference but not in their division 3 times, 36 games, and each team in their division 4 times, 12 games. Total 80 games.
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I think the two teams added would be Vegas and Seattle with either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves coming over to the Eastern Conference.
Timberwolves make more sense I think. A lot less travel for them playing Milwaukee, Chicago, etc. more times than teams like LA. Memphis obviously has a lot of travel as well, but you can at least put them with OKC and the Texas teams to ease the burden. The Wolves really are all alone in the West.
I think it's amazing how spread out some of the other divisions are when you actually look at a map. Man TWolves definitely get a raw deal being set up in the West. That whole Northwest division really, spread across 3 time zones. Of course adding Seattle will at least give Portland somebody somewhat close by. But there's really no way to balance the conferences/divisions evenly.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/40/9e/5a/409e5aeca7602f04be6b300810b676ea.jpg)
Yep. I think going to 4 team divisions when adding 2 teams would help a great deal with that.
A - Boston, NY, BKN, PHI
B - Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Washington
C - Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami
D - Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana, Chicago
E - Dallas, New Orleans, San Antonio, Houston
F - Memphis, OKC, Denver, Utah
G - LAL, LAC, Phoenix, Vegas
H - Sacramento, Golden State, Portland, Seattle
You could move a team here or there, but I think those divisions all make a good deal of sense. A team in St. Louis or Louisville instead of Vegas would also help even more by giving Memphis a much closer geographical rival.
TP...I like this idea.
Even if they don't add any teams, I think they could do a better job with the divisions. There are always going to be a couple of stragglers, but this seems to work better
A - Boston, NY, BKN, PHI, Toronto
B - Indiana, Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Milwaukee
C - Charlotte, Atlanta, Memphis, Washington, Cleveland
D - New Orleans, San Antonio, Houston, Orlando, Miami
E - OKC, Denver, Utah, Dallas, Phoenix
F - LAL, LAC, Sacramento, Golden State, Portland
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What is the purpose of having the conferences for the NBA? Historically it was to reduce travel, is that as true anymore? Even if it is, with two additional teams it can be an opportunity for improvement in the schedule.
Adding 2 teams is a good opportunity to reduce the travelling teams do during the season. Split into 4 divisions of 8, mini conferences, play your division 4 times each and everyone else twice, that's 76 games.
Then use it as an opportunity to do what the NBA clearly wants which is the best teams in the playoffs, regardless of location. For parity, give the division winners a guaranteed top 4 seed then give the other 12 slots to the teams with the best records. It's the natural evolution.
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Mexico City continues to gain momentum as a potential expansion candidate for the NBA along with Seattle, even as Adam Silver says it is not something they see happening in the short-term.
“We’re not looking at expansion at the moment, but at the time we do turn to expansion, just as we’ve had enormous success in Canada with the (Toronto) Raptors, we do see enormous opportunity in Mexico City and think it could become the franchise for Latin America,” Silver said.
“Mexico City is a city with over 20 million people, a country of 130 million people, and a huge Mexican American population. We’re only looking at it from a more general standpoint – and we’re playing games (there) again in Dec. (the Brooklyn Nets are playing against the Oklahoma City Thunder on Dec. 7 and the Miami Heat on Dec. 9). It’s something we’ll continue to keep eye on.”
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247605/Mexico-City-Continues-To-Receive-Long-Term-Expansion-Interest-From-NBA