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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: CelticsElite on July 21, 2017, 05:08:02 PM
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https://twitter.com/schultz_report/status/888520043419635712
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Thoughts
They would be much much worse... Melo is 33 and steadily declining. Cavs would never do that deal though it is a complete rip off....
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CLE-NY-PHX 3-Way
CLE gets both Melo and Bledsoe, Phx gets Frank and other picks.
Jordan SchultzVerified account @Schultz_Report 2m2 minutes ago
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Sources also say #Suns want Channing Frye expiring from #Cavs in potential 3-team deal. Also want least one draft pick.Jordan Schultz added,
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Source: #Cavs trying to work #Suns into a deal. Bledsoe and Chandler would be part of it. Suns want Frank Ntilikina and other picks. https
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Kyrie is overrated. However, Kyrie is very good. Melo is very...not good. They would be significantly worse.
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CLE-NY-PHX 3-Way
CLE gets both Melo and Bledsoe, Phx gets Frank and other picks.
Jordan SchultzVerified account @Schultz_Report 2m2 minutes ago
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Jordan Schultz Retweeted Jordan Schultz
Sources also say #Suns want Channing Frye expiring from #Cavs in potential 3-team deal. Also want least one draft pick.Jordan Schultz added,
Jordan SchultzVerified account @Schultz_Report
Source: #Cavs trying to work #Suns into a deal. Bledsoe and Chandler would be part of it. Suns want Frank Ntilikina and other picks. https
That guy is a hack. He's literally the only person I've blocked on Twitter.
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I assume something else has to be in the works if it's Irving and Melo
does Cav avoid luxury tax if Irving is traded? I wonder who else would be on there? Surely I don't think they expect Rose to be their 4th guy?
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723074-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-mulling-moving-star-picks-for-kyrie-irving
Other, more legit sources saying there are discussions around a Irving for Melo deal.
This still doesn't make sense to me with Love there, though. Like, are they really going to either A) move Love to the 5 (awful idea), or B) play Lebron, Melo, and Love at the 2, 3, and 4 (similarly awful idea)? They'd have to move Love in a separate move, and replacing that many key parts, while also downgrading in overall talent and fit, would simply ensure that they don't win the chip next year.
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723074-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-mulling-moving-star-picks-for-kyrie-irving
Other, more legit sources saying there are discussions around a Irving for Melo deal.
This still doesn't make sense to me with Love there, though. Like, are they really going to either A) move Love to the 5 (awful idea), or B) play Lebron, Melo, and Love at the 2, 3, and 4 (similarly awful idea)? They'd have to move Love in a separate move, and replacing that many key parts, while also downgrading in overall talent and fit, would simply ensure that they don't win the chip next year.
I was thinking something like moving Irving AND Love. Seems far-fetched, but make it a three-team trade with NYK and MIA. Maybe:
Kyrie to MIA
Love to NYK
Melo/Dragic/Winslow to CLE
It works in trade checker and I'm sure other components such as expiring/picks could be used to make it happen.
Why Miami does it? They get Kyrie to pair with Whiteside and build a nice foundation.
Why New York does it? They get rid of Melo and get a good player in return on a decent contract.
Why Cleveland does it? They get a quality PG who may actually be a better fit with LeBron, and LeBron's buddy Melo to ease the scoring burden that Kyrie leaves. They get a good prospect in Winslow and maybe some picks/unload bad contracts.
I'm sure it would never happen, but I can see how it helps everyone.
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.
Yea this would have worked out so much better before Butler and George were traded. Really screwed the Cavs on this one... Great for us...
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.
Yea this would have worked out so much better before Butler and George were traded. Really screwed the Cavs on this one... Great for us...
Yeah, we would have been screwed if they had landed Porzingis and Melo, or Paul George for him.
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.
We're only hearing about this current request now, probably because his silent requests were ignored.
Aldridge reports:
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/07/21/kyrie-irving-seeks-trade-cavaliers-chance-be-leader (http://www.nba.com/article/2017/07/21/kyrie-irving-seeks-trade-cavaliers-chance-be-leader)
Another league source said that Irving made his initial trade request before last month’s Draft, in hopes of being traded to Chicago and playing with All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler. Just before Griffin and the team decided to part ways, Griffin had been working on a three-team deal that would have brought Butler to the Cavs.
But Chicago traded Butler to Minnesota on Draft night for a package of guards Kris Dunn and Zach LaVine, and the 7th pick overall in the first round.
The fact that Griffin was working lame duck and then let go has got to be a factor in nothing happening here. How can you make such a monumental decision when there's nobody in charge with the authority to make it?
I think they just ignored his trade requests, hoping they'd go away. Now he's made them public to put pressure on the organization, but they still don't technically have to do anything. This is their last chance to impress LeBron though, and Irving being around could make their last title run awkward and doomed before it even begins.
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.
Yea this would have worked out so much better before Butler and George were traded. Really screwed the Cavs on this one... Great for us...
Yeah, we would have been screwed if they had landed Porzingis and Melo, or Paul George for him.
no wonder lebrons been panicking recently
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I wouldn't be surprised that Griffin was working on an Irving trade, Gilbert got wind of it and fired Griffin
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723074-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-mulling-moving-star-picks-for-kyrie-irving
Other, more legit sources saying there are discussions around a Irving for Melo deal.
This still doesn't make sense to me with Love there, though. Like, are they really going to either A) move Love to the 5 (awful idea), or B) play Lebron, Melo, and Love at the 2, 3, and 4 (similarly awful idea)? They'd have to move Love in a separate move, and replacing that many key parts, while also downgrading in overall talent and fit, would simply ensure that they don't win the chip next year.
Not seeing any quoted sources except Haynes saying NY was a destination Kyrie would be open to and that Schultz guy isn't credible
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It would be a coup for the Knicks to dump Melo and get Irving. Pairing Irving and Porzingis would be terrific for them.
But it's hard for me to believe the Cavs couldn't get a better return for Irving than the Knicks could ever offer (assuming Porzingis is off the table).
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It would be a coup for the Knicks to dump Melo and get Irving. Pairing Irving and Porzingis would be terrific for them.
But it's hard for me to believe the Cavs couldn't get a better return for Irving than the Knicks could ever offer (assuming Porzingis is off the table).
Irving, Zingie, Hardaway. Need one more.
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My impression is the media is way out ahead of anything serious. I doubt the Cavs are doing much of anything. They have been through this before. There is much fake news here on the tweets, trade suggestions etc.
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Cleveland doesn't want just Melo in return. NY doesn't want to trade Porzingis. Of the four teams (NY, Miami, SA, and Minny), NY has the worst chance, in my opinion.
San Antonio would be a great fit. Lamarcus plus anyone not named Kawhi Leonard could prob get it done.
Three way trade? Danny should get involved while decent secondary players get tossed around....
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Cleveland doesn't want just Melo in return. NY doesn't want to trade Porzingis. Of the four teams (NY, Miami, SA, and Minny), NY has the worst chance, in my opinion.
San Antonio would be a great fit. Lamarcus plus anyone not named Kawhi Leonard could prob get it done.
Three way trade? Danny should get involved while decent secondary players get tossed around....
why would Danny get involved? We have 16 guaranteed contracts of players we want. We can't take on salary
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Schultz knows NOTHING !
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Cleveland doesn't want just Melo in return. NY doesn't want to trade Porzingis. Of the four teams (NY, Miami, SA, and Minny), NY has the worst chance, in my opinion.
San Antonio would be a great fit. Lamarcus plus anyone not named Kawhi Leonard could prob get it done.
Three way trade? Danny should get involved while decent secondary players get tossed around....
why would Danny get involved? We have 16 guaranteed contracts of players we want. We can't take on salary
We could send some pieces like Rozier and another player for the guy we like, eg. Willy Hernangomez
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NYC is desperate for basketball relevance, CLE will be desperate to placate James. But teams know that CLE is dealing from a weakened stance and they won't get the kitchen sink.
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My impression is the media is way out ahead of anything serious. I doubt the Cavs are doing much of anything. They have been through this before. There is much fake news here on the tweets, trade suggestions etc.
I agree, at least for the moment while other teams are acutely aware of the situation and may try to lowball the Cavs. Things could change before the trade deadline when playoff-bound teams understand their needs better, and getting Kyrie could be perceived as a move to get them over the top.
San Antonio would be a great fit. Lamarcus plus anyone not named Kawhi Leonard could prob get it done.
Had the same thought, but Cavs would need a PG in return, maybe in a 3-way trade.