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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: jpotter33 on July 11, 2017, 10:43:18 AM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seemingly be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
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Ha, ha, no surprise. He's not about to compromise his stay in OKC before it evens starts.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seeekingky be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
I always thought our interest in PG was overblown. No way would I or I'm sure Danny have given up the Lakers pick. And I think the final package for him was a good reflection of his value. If you have three "max" players, and they're Hayward, Horford, and PG, you're not winning a ship and your main paths to getting better are toast.
I'm very glad we passed on George..
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seeekingky be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
I always thought our interest in PG was overblown. No way would I or I'm sure Danny have given up the Lakers pick. And I think the final package for him was a good reflection of his value. If you have three "max" players, and they're Hayward, Horford, and PG, you're not winning a ship and your main paths to getting better are toast.
I'm very glad we passed on George..
I don't understand that line of thought. How would our main paths to getting better be toast? Arguably the only difference is we would have not had the Lakers pick...
As it stands, after this year, we will have 3 maxes in IT, Hayward and Horford. That big 3 doesn't win a chip either. If I am hitching my horse to IT, Hay, Horford or George, Hay, Horford, the latter gets you closer.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seeekingky be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
I always thought our interest in PG was overblown. No way would I or I'm sure Danny have given up the Lakers pick. And I think the final package for him was a good reflection of his value. If you have three "max" players, and they're Hayward, Horford, and PG, you're not winning a ship and your main paths to getting better are toast.
I'm very glad we passed on George..
I don't understand that line of thought. How would our main paths to getting better be toast? Arguably the only difference is we would have not had the Lakers pick...
As it stands, after this year, we will have 3 maxes in IT, Hayward and Horford. That big 3 doesn't win a chip either. If I am hitching my horse to IT, Hay, Horford or George, Hay, Horford, the latter gets you closer.
But we won't. I will bet my account that we S&T IT next year for an elite big and draft Doncic. The Laker pick will be a major sweetener for the deal we make with IT.
You really think Danny acquired 8 first rounders in the next few drafts to build the greatest summer league squad of all time? He's packaging for a major piece..
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I know George expressed a lot of interest in playing with Hayward.
But I wonder if Hayward felt the same way. Enough for him to be 2nd dog to Alpha dog IT.
But 3rd dog to Beta George?
I am pretty confident that the Celtics sent out hypothetical feelers to Hayward camp, to gauge how he would feel playing 3rd fiddle. And I would not be at all surprised if the response was tepid at best.
We will probably never know the full story here. But it is very possible that the Celtics, once they established a working dialogue with Hayward's wish list to coming here, determined to pull any offer for George off the table. I have not read a single report that contradicts this time line. The only reports I read mentioned what we offered before the trade deadline last February and right before the draft, and assumed that something similar was still on the table after.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seeekingky be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
I always thought our interest in PG was overblown. No way would I or I'm sure Danny have given up the Lakers pick. And I think the final package for him was a good reflection of his value. If you have three "max" players, and they're Hayward, Horford, and PG, you're not winning a ship and your main paths to getting better are toast.
I'm very glad we passed on George..
I don't understand that line of thought. How would our main paths to getting better be toast? Arguably the only difference is we would have not had the Lakers pick...
As it stands, after this year, we will have 3 maxes in IT, Hayward and Horford. That big 3 doesn't win a chip either. If I am hitching my horse to IT, Hay, Horford or George, Hay, Horford, the latter gets you closer.
But we won't. I will bet my account that we S&T IT next year for an elite big and draft Doncic. The Laker pick will be a major sweetener for the deal we make with IT.
You really think Danny acquired 8 first rounders in the next few drafts to build the greatest summer league squad of all time? He's packaging for a major piece..
well, enjoy your account while you still have it.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seeekingky be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
I always thought our interest in PG was overblown. No way would I or I'm sure Danny have given up the Lakers pick. And I think the final package for him was a good reflection of his value. If you have three "max" players, and they're Hayward, Horford, and PG, you're not winning a ship and your main paths to getting better are toast.
I'm very glad we passed on George..
I don't understand that line of thought. How would our main paths to getting better be toast? Arguably the only difference is we would have not had the Lakers pick...
As it stands, after this year, we will have 3 maxes in IT, Hayward and Horford. That big 3 doesn't win a chip either. If I am hitching my horse to IT, Hay, Horford or George, Hay, Horford, the latter gets you closer.
But we won't. I will bet my account that we S&T IT next year for an elite big and draft Doncic. The Laker pick will be a major sweetener for the deal we make with IT.
You really think Danny acquired 8 first rounders in the next few drafts to build the greatest summer league squad of all time? He's packaging for a major piece..
What team would give up an elite big for IT? And hypothetically if Doncic was the target, its more likely than not that the BRK pick is the one we are getting him with anyway. Now if you believe that IT is the main piece for an elite big, then yeah the laker pick makes sense. But most teams probably don't want IT for their elite big. He has more intrinsic value to us, than to most other teams in the league.
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I was pretty confident we could resign George. Time will tell if Ainge made a mistake. I think he did personally. George>Hayward imo.
Also, we could still sign George in 2018. Would need to trade Horford, but it's possible
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
So we assume the Pelicans will give up AD to get the Kings take 2?
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
So we assume the Pelicans will give up AD to get the Kings take 2?
With added pieces. What they're doing clearly isn't working and attendance stinks. IT could put butts in seats..
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
So we assume the Pelicans will give up AD to get the Kings take 2?
With added pieces. What they're doing clearly isn't working and attendance stinks. IT could put butts in seats..
I just don't see them wanting IT back. If they move AD, they want a bunch of good young players and promising picks.
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There is a zero percent chance he decides to spend the next 5 years of his life in Oklahoma after spending forever in Indiana
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading use the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
Corrections above. This is what I would do. ;)
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There is a zero percent chance he decides to spend the next 5 years of his life in Oklahoma after spending forever in Indiana
3 years, on the other hand...
The "George is locked in on LA" story has been nonsense since the beginning. Winning and getting paid trump location.
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Why didn't this guy come out and say this crap before he got traded? Just seems to me he just wanted to get out of Indiana. Now we'll see if he stays in OKC. I don't think he will personally but nice gamble by Presti considering the circumstances they are in.
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading use the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
Corrections above. This is what I would do. ;)
LOL certainly not a bad fall back plan. If we are lucky enough to say draft Doncic and Ayton or Bamba, we'll have the super team of the future for the next 13-15 years lol..
Doncic
Brown
Tatum
Ayton/Bamba
Zizic
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Im not sure how this is a miss by Danny. This narrative keeps getting thrown out there but its either 1 of the following:
1. Trade AB, Crowder and a pick or picks for George but you then have to trade Tatum, Brown or Smart to sign Hayward.
2. Trade AB, Crowder, and Smart for George. Sign Hayward. You are hard capped with no proven bench players.
3. Or you sign Hayward then make the trade for George or Butler.
Option 3 wasnt on the table so in reality since both teams decided to move players before Hayward joined you are left with the 1st two options. So for everyone that says it was a miss which one of those two options would you prefer?
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There is a zero percent chance he decides to spend the next 5 years of his life in Oklahoma after spending forever in Indiana
3 years, on the other hand...
The "George is locked in on LA" story has been nonsense since the beginning. Winning and getting paid trump location.
Yeah Im sure PG is dying to go to a 25 win Lakers squad lol
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
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There is a zero percent chance he decides to spend the next 5 years of his life in Oklahoma after spending forever in Indiana
Was Westbrook in Indiana?
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It's ALWAYS been overstated. I heck of a lot can change in a year; so much so that predicting where he will end up is incredibly premature. I'm pretty sure DA figured as much as well. But that's probably not why he didn't end up in Boston. He didn't end up in Boston because the Pacers GM is a fool mostly.
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I didn't think PG to LAL was a GIVEN. Even now that Magic Johnson came out and said that Brandon Ingram will be the face of the franchise going forward. I think Magic was genuine in his response as he wasn't even asked specifically about Ingram but his team in general, and more so about Lonzo.
So yeah, I believe him when he said it was "overstated". C'mon now, look who Tatum's favorite player (and team) was prior to getting drafted (same with Paul Pierce and he never left). If you build it, Danny, they will come here (or stay). Whatever their preference is as we all know circumstances change frequently.
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I prefer George and LeBron going to the Lakers than together in Cleveland...and that's the first thought has come to my mind when reading the report.
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browing the enemy forums , especially the fakers , youd think he was lock to be a Laker.
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
Targeting a guy until you know the draft order is useless anyway. This isn't college recruiting.
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
This is all true of course, but it doesn't mean we abandon all logic and just say "who knows what Danny will do"...
At some point team needs and the future of the team need to enter the thinking. My belief that Danny wants Doncic is that signing IT to a Brink Truck contract puts the team deep into the luxury tax and the team could probably not win it all. So IT not be with the team after next year. So we would need a primary ball handler and playmaker. Since Danny passed on Fultz and then traded Bradley, it either means he thinks Smart or Brown can be our primary ballhandler/playmaker, or he has someone else in mind. Then he goes out and gets another top-5 first for next year in addition to the pick that will probably already have the best odds of the No 1. Clearly he thinks the top of the 2018 draft is quite impressive. The consensus seems to be Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba seem to be top 4 next year, it seems natural that Danny would be looking hard at one of these guys. And since we will most likely need a playmaker, Doncic seems to be a natural fit. A 6'7" Rondo that can shoot is right up our alley..
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
This is all true of course, but it doesn't mean we abandon all logic and just say "who knows what Danny will do"...
At some point team needs and the future of the team need to enter the thinking. My belief that Danny wants Doncic is that signing IT to a Brink Truck contract puts the team deep into the luxury tax and the team could probably not win it all. So IT not be with the team after next year. So we would need a primary ball handler and playmaker. Since Danny passed on Fultz and then traded Bradley, it either means he thinks Smart or Brown can be our primary ballhandler/playmaker, or he has someone else in mind. Then he goes out and gets another top-5 first for next year in addition to the pick that will probably already have the best odds of the No 1. Clearly he thinks the top of the 2018 draft is quite impressive. The consensus seems to be Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba seem to be top 4 next year, it seems natural that Danny would be looking hard at one of these guys. And since we will most likely need a playmaker, Doncic seems to be a natural fit. A 6'7" Rondo that can shoot is right up our alley..
Again, its your belief that IT won't be signed. Its not what Ainge thinks.
Ainge has given no indication that is true. He did openly mock fans that worry about who makes what though and said let him worry about who gets paid what and who doesn't.
If Ainge signs IT, perhaps he bypasses Doncic. Heck he may not even have a chance to draft him. Neither the Nets or Lakers pick are guaranteed to be top 5 picks.
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
This is all true of course, but it doesn't mean we abandon all logic and just say "who knows what Danny will do"...
At some point team needs and the future of the team need to enter the thinking. My belief that Danny wants Doncic is that signing IT to a Brink Truck contract puts the team deep into the luxury tax and the team could probably not win it all. So IT not be with the team after next year. So we would need a primary ball handler and playmaker. Since Danny passed on Fultz and then traded Bradley, it either means he thinks Smart or Brown can be our primary ballhandler/playmaker, or he has someone else in mind. Then he goes out and gets another top-5 first for next year in addition to the pick that will probably already have the best odds of the No 1. Clearly he thinks the top of the 2018 draft is quite impressive. The consensus seems to be Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba seem to be top 4 next year, it seems natural that Danny would be looking hard at one of these guys. And since we will most likely need a playmaker, Doncic seems to be a natural fit. A 6'7" Rondo that can shoot is right up our alley..
Again, its your belief that IT won't be signed. Its not what Ainge thinks.
Ainge has given no indication that is true. He did openly mock fans that worry about who makes what though and said let him worry about who gets paid what and who doesn't.
If Ainge signs IT, perhaps he bypasses Doncic. Heck he may not even have a chance to draft him. Neither the Nets or Lakers pick are guaranteed to be top 5 picks.
So now you're claiming to know what Ainge thinks? LOL
I don't know either, I'm just reading the tea leaves..
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Either George didn't want to come to Boston, The Pacers didn't want him in Boston, or The hidden hand didn't want him in Boston.
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
This is all true of course, but it doesn't mean we abandon all logic and just say "who knows what Danny will do"...
At some point team needs and the future of the team need to enter the thinking. My belief that Danny wants Doncic is that signing IT to a Brink Truck contract puts the team deep into the luxury tax and the team could probably not win it all. So IT not be with the team after next year. So we would need a primary ball handler and playmaker. Since Danny passed on Fultz and then traded Bradley, it either means he thinks Smart or Brown can be our primary ballhandler/playmaker, or he has someone else in mind. Then he goes out and gets another top-5 first for next year in addition to the pick that will probably already have the best odds of the No 1. Clearly he thinks the top of the 2018 draft is quite impressive. The consensus seems to be Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba seem to be top 4 next year, it seems natural that Danny would be looking hard at one of these guys. And since we will most likely need a playmaker, Doncic seems to be a natural fit. A 6'7" Rondo that can shoot is right up our alley..
Again, its your belief that IT won't be signed. Its not what Ainge thinks.
Ainge has given no indication that is true. He did openly mock fans that worry about who makes what though and said let him worry about who gets paid what and who doesn't.
If Ainge signs IT, perhaps he bypasses Doncic. Heck he may not even have a chance to draft him. Neither the Nets or Lakers pick are guaranteed to be top 5 picks.
So now you're claiming to know what Ainge thinks? LOL
Don't know where you got that idea from what I wrote. Never once mentioned I know what Ainge thinks. I just presented alternative scenarios that could happen making what you said about what Ainge thinks as not plausible.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
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I love how some people have already convinced themselves that Ainge's target in next year's draft is Doncic, or any other player. After 95% of this board was convinced Ainge's target was Fultz he traded that opportunity just days before the draft because Tatum was his guy. Lesson learned: state that you want that player. Assuming you know what's in Danny's mind means you may come up wrong a lot, if not most, of the time
Its really too early to say who should be the target. Its not hard to see why people would think the target was Fultz considering the need and stated desire for a shot creator. In reality very few will know what Danny is truly thinking but everyone can make a guess as to who they would take.
I will also say this, most people go into the eval process of these top prospects very late in the game. For example, Ainge has seen Tatum since his U16 days. He has a long book on him.
In 2 years (maybe 1 depending upon if he reclassifies) you will hear all these wild stories about R.J Barrett as he is going into his freshman year in college. Most will pick up watch games wherever he goes thus leading to varying degrees of opinions. In reality Ainge started a book on him last year and has at least 8 games of tape on him as a sophomore in HS.
I say all of this because Ainge is doing his homework long before these guys become hot to the general public. Ultimately to get a good sense of who he is targeting when he has these high picks look at guys who play in these high profile tourneys and have a high work ethic. Those seem to be traits that he seems to be after with these high picks.
This is all true of course, but it doesn't mean we abandon all logic and just say "who knows what Danny will do"...
At some point team needs and the future of the team need to enter the thinking. My belief that Danny wants Doncic is that signing IT to a Brink Truck contract puts the team deep into the luxury tax and the team could probably not win it all. So IT not be with the team after next year. So we would need a primary ball handler and playmaker. Since Danny passed on Fultz and then traded Bradley, it either means he thinks Smart or Brown can be our primary ballhandler/playmaker, or he has someone else in mind. Then he goes out and gets another top-5 first for next year in addition to the pick that will probably already have the best odds of the No 1. Clearly he thinks the top of the 2018 draft is quite impressive. The consensus seems to be Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba seem to be top 4 next year, it seems natural that Danny would be looking hard at one of these guys. And since we will most likely need a playmaker, Doncic seems to be a natural fit. A 6'7" Rondo that can shoot is right up our alley..
No thats more of what we would like him to do than knowing what he thinks. Everyone has their opinion on what they would like to see and I think it makes good conversation.
In regards to Doncic. Im not sure I agree with you on the idea that IT wont be here. I think he is the reason you have Hayward. Its hard to see them just turning him loose and saying goodbye based on the roster construction. It just doesnt make much sense in my book.
I also think the idea of getting that high pick is a play to create value in a trade. If the top 4 is super valuable, you could send the pick to a team looking to start over from a star.
I see you like Doncic. I have him 2nd or 3rd depending on a few factors with Ayton and Porter.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
As I further read this, this is just not correct. You can not trade Smart and Crowder for George unless you have cap space available. Since they were trying to open up a max slot hence the AB trade you could never make the deal you are talking about and have a shot at Hayward. You wouldnt be in the conversation. The only other way you could have created a max slot if you did that trade 1st and in the manner you described it is if you traded Brown or Tatum for nothing.
To be very clear. The only deal they could have made if George was going to be traded before FA was AB, Crowder, Smart/Brown for PG13. Thats the only deal they could do and still have a max slot and even then you still would have to get rid of Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey to create the max slot.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading use the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
Corrections above. This is what I would do. ;)
LOL certainly not a bad fall back plan. If we are lucky enough to say draft Doncic and Ayton or Bamba, we'll have the super team of the future for the next 13-15 years lol..
Doncic
Brown
Tatum
Ayton/Bamba
Zizic
Yeah, something like that (but not so sure on Zizic). Tatum should eventually be a 4.
See, a lot of national media types think the Celtics are in "win now" mode. I would call it "win as much as possible, but don't do anything to sacrifice the future" mode. ;)
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading use the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
Corrections above. This is what I would do. ;)
LOL certainly not a bad fall back plan. If we are lucky enough to say draft Doncic and Ayton or Bamba, we'll have the super team of the future for the next 13-15 years lol..
Doncic
Brown
Tatum
Ayton/Bamba
Zizic
Yeah, something like that (but not so sure on Zizic). Tatum should eventually be a 4.
See, a lot of national media types think the Celtics are in "win now" mode. I would call it "win as much as possible, but don't do anything to sacrifice the future" mode. ;)
I just have a hard time seeing Tatum as a 4, even in today's league. He's very thin.
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Right, We use the BKN pick to grab Doncic, then trading use the Laker pick with IT plus whatever picks are necessary to grab AD for example. They can move forward with Cousins, IT, and Jrue, a much more balanced, effective roster. They can use the picks to draft AD's replacement like Bamba or Ayton. Who knows..
Corrections above. This is what I would do. ;)
LOL certainly not a bad fall back plan. If we are lucky enough to say draft Doncic and Ayton or Bamba, we'll have the super team of the future for the next 13-15 years lol..
Doncic
Brown
Tatum
Ayton/Bamba
Zizic
Yeah, something like that (but not so sure on Zizic). Tatum should eventually be a 4.
See, a lot of national media types think the Celtics are in "win now" mode. I would call it "win as much as possible, but don't do anything to sacrifice the future" mode. ;)
I just have a hard time seeing Tatum as a 4, even in today's league. He's very thin.
And I kind of think Danny is just building like two teams, one to try to get as far as possible but the real title window opens in a few years
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
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Is he really supposed to say it's not before the season at OKC? It's all damage control now.
I do think most often this talk is overblown but not with him. He came out so publically not wanting to be in Indy it's pretty obvious.
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We'll know whether or not it's overstated when Westbrook signs that huge extension he's been offered. If Westbrook decides to pass, it's tough to not see George heading to LA, maybe with Westbrook, next summer.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720966-paul-george-says-rumors-of-lakers-interest-are-overstated-in-si-interview
This is very interesting if true, which is a big if. Many of us on here said exactly this about PG's intentions before he was traded. I was certainly willing to give up the LA pick for him, because I felt that it was highly unlikely that he'd leave this good of a team for a bad one in LA. And I still do feel that way.
If he does end up staying in OKC, how big of a miss by Danny would that be? I really like what we ended up doing this summer with signing Hayward and getting Morris and Baynes, and I know it would've been ungodly expensive to add George to the mix, too. But if the owners were willing to spend the money, this would seemingly be a big miss by Danny if he doesn't end up going to LA.
It's another illustration of the 2 perspective with which to assess a "move": 1) Now -- is it a good move given current information (risk/reward, etc.)?; 2) Over time -- how did it play out?
It's understandable, but a little unfair, for people to judge a move as the "right" move in the present and then to bash it later when it turns out to be the wrong move. Consider selecting KO instead of Giannis. Obviously, 100 out of 100 in retrospect would have selected GA. But it is only those who at the time of selection were sure GA was the right choice that really have the right to gripe.
My opinion on the PG trade is that it is wise in the present to have held onto Smart, Crowder and the picks (even though not valuable picks) given the risk of PG bolting. Reality is that IT, Bradley and PG would be up next year and that's $80M to add to Hayward and Horford. Not sure that bottom line wouldn't have been losing Smart, IT, Crowder and Bradley (& picks) all for PG, or, saying farewell to PG after just one year.
Anyway, at best I think it's dilemma and tough call -- so if PG stay in OKC I won't disparage DA's decision a year from now.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
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Not sure what the big deal is.. OR why some feel like Danny Fails if PG resigns with OKC.
A. Was laid out pretty clear that if Danny wanted Both he had to get GH First.. (indie Did not want to wait)
B. Sounds like someone is trying to save face
C. Danny Valued GH more than he did PG...
D. Now that PG is gone from Indie he is going to say whatever... And its very possible at this point he and his agent Are making sure the LA knows that he has other options - (so dont try to lowball)
E. Resigning PG Next year would have meant No IT.. No IT might have meant No GH... Also The team would have been gutted to get both.. Danny was not interested in this.
Overstated or not it doesnt matter at this point..
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Not sure what the big deal is.. OR why some feel like Danny Fails if PG resigns with OKC.
A. Was laid out pretty clear that if Danny wanted Both he had to get GH First.. (indie Did not want to wait)
B. Sounds like someone is trying to save face
C. Danny Valued GH more than he did PG...
D. Now that PG is gone from Indie he is going to say whatever... And its very possible at this point he and his agent Are making sure the LA knows that he has other options - (so dont try to lowball)
E. Resigning PG Next year would have meant No IT.. No IT might have meant No GH... Also The team would have been gutted to get both.. Danny was not interested in this.
Overstated or not it doesnt matter at this point..
TP!!
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Whats with the fawning over Doncic? I aint taking him above some of the other guys predicted to go top 5. No way.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
Committing to make a deal and making a deal are not the same thing. the trade to OKC wasn't finalized for a week (you know after the moratorium ended). Boston did not have to give up Bradley until it had a commitment from Hayward. It didn't need to move Bradley first to get a commitment from Hayward. We know this is true, because this is exactly what happened. All Ainge had to say to Pritchard was, we have a deal no matter what happens with Hayward, but just give me a week to chase that down and/or otherwise use some of the cap space.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
Committing to make a deal and making a deal are not the same thing. the trade to OKC wasn't finalized for a week (you know after the moratorium ended). Boston did not have to give up Bradley until it had a commitment from Hayward. It didn't need to move Bradley first to get a commitment from Hayward. We know this is true, because this is exactly what happened. All Ainge had to say to Pritchard was, we have a deal no matter what happens with Hayward, but just give me a week to chase that down and/or otherwise use some of the cap space.
Ugh ok fine. Lets do some math. PG makes 19,508,958. Crowder and Smart combined make 11,334,137 for a difference of 8,174,821. Lets put AB at a simple 8.8 million. What we know is that if they renounced everyone they were short 3 million which meant they couldnt just trade Rozier (who makes 2 million) to get to that number. The key is they are 3 millions short.
Now if you add AB to the George trade you are taking in about 625,000 less that you sent out. Great. Now you dump Rozier for cash or a pick. You cant trade him for a player. Now you have gotten rid of Rozier who makes 2 million. You are still short 375,000. NOT A MAX SLOT.
So the only players you have left on the team are IT, Horford, Brown and Tatum and you are trading one of them to free up more money or Hayward takes the small cut. You are hard capped and cant bring over Yabu. You cant sign any of 2nd guys this year unless they go on the 2 way contract. So you have 6 maybe 7 guys depending on Zizic, one room exemption guy and a bunch of vet minimums.
The only way the Smart and Crowder for PG works and Hayward gets the max and you still have the ability to sign players is if you renounced everyone. Then traded AB for Morris. Then signed Tatum, Zizic, and Yabu. Used the room exemption. Then made the PG trade. Indy didnt want to wait for that. Boston didnt want to deal all of that for a player that might leave.
I dont know why there is a need to bang on Ainge for not getting George.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
Committing to make a deal and making a deal are not the same thing. the trade to OKC wasn't finalized for a week (you know after the moratorium ended). Boston did not have to give up Bradley until it had a commitment from Hayward. It didn't need to move Bradley first to get a commitment from Hayward. We know this is true, because this is exactly what happened. All Ainge had to say to Pritchard was, we have a deal no matter what happens with Hayward, but just give me a week to chase that down and/or otherwise use some of the cap space.
Ugh ok fine. Lets do some math. PG makes 19,508,958. Crowder and Smart combined make 11,334,137 for a difference of 8,174,821. Lets put AB at a simple 8.8 million. What we know is that if they renounced everyone they were short 3 million which meant they couldnt just trade Rozier (who makes 2 million) to get to that number. The key is they are 3 millions short.
Now if you add AB to the George trade you are taking in about 625,000 less that you sent out. Great. Now you dump Rozier for cash or a pick. You cant trade him for a player. Now you have gotten rid of Rozier who makes 2 million. You are still short 375,000. NOT A MAX SLOT.
So the only players you have left on the team are IT, Horford, Brown and Tatum and you are trading one of them to free up more money or Hayward takes the small cut. You are hard capped and cant bring over Yabu. You cant sign any of 2nd guys this year unless they go on the 2 way contract. So you have 6 maybe 7 guys depending on Zizic, one room exemption guy and a bunch of vet minimums.
The only way the Smart and Crowder for PG works and Hayward gets the max and you still have the ability to sign players is if you renounced everyone. Then traded AB for Morris. Then signed Tatum, Zizic, and Yabu. Used the room exemption. Then made the PG trade. Indy didnt want to wait for that. Boston didnt want to deal all of that for a player that might leave.
I dont know why there is a need to bang on Ainge for not getting George.
Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey left the team 300k short, you save 700k in the trade. The math isn't that hard. It was a no brainer to make the commitment and worry about waiving some fringe NBA players and trading the current 3rd string point guard. George + Hayward is worth not having Smart, Crowder, Bradley, and Rozier. It is a clear upgrade. The team then fills in the roster with the room exception (Baynes), vet and rookie minimums. At the end of the day a 4 some of Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is a real threat to the Cavs and makes Boston a real and legit contender. Thomas, Hayward, Horford and Smart is not on that same level even with some other quality bench level players like Morris, Crowder, and Rozier.
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Yeah, we'll see BOTH PG AND Russell in LA next season.
They'll make Magic Johnson a happy man.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
Committing to make a deal and making a deal are not the same thing. the trade to OKC wasn't finalized for a week (you know after the moratorium ended). Boston did not have to give up Bradley until it had a commitment from Hayward. It didn't need to move Bradley first to get a commitment from Hayward. We know this is true, because this is exactly what happened. All Ainge had to say to Pritchard was, we have a deal no matter what happens with Hayward, but just give me a week to chase that down and/or otherwise use some of the cap space.
Ugh ok fine. Lets do some math. PG makes 19,508,958. Crowder and Smart combined make 11,334,137 for a difference of 8,174,821. Lets put AB at a simple 8.8 million. What we know is that if they renounced everyone they were short 3 million which meant they couldnt just trade Rozier (who makes 2 million) to get to that number. The key is they are 3 millions short.
Now if you add AB to the George trade you are taking in about 625,000 less that you sent out. Great. Now you dump Rozier for cash or a pick. You cant trade him for a player. Now you have gotten rid of Rozier who makes 2 million. You are still short 375,000. NOT A MAX SLOT.
So the only players you have left on the team are IT, Horford, Brown and Tatum and you are trading one of them to free up more money or Hayward takes the small cut. You are hard capped and cant bring over Yabu. You cant sign any of 2nd guys this year unless they go on the 2 way contract. So you have 6 maybe 7 guys depending on Zizic, one room exemption guy and a bunch of vet minimums.
The only way the Smart and Crowder for PG works and Hayward gets the max and you still have the ability to sign players is if you renounced everyone. Then traded AB for Morris. Then signed Tatum, Zizic, and Yabu. Used the room exemption. Then made the PG trade. Indy didnt want to wait for that. Boston didnt want to deal all of that for a player that might leave.
I dont know why there is a need to bang on Ainge for not getting George.
Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey left the team 300k short, you save 700k in the trade. The math isn't that hard. It was a no brainer to make the commitment and worry about waiving some fringe NBA players and trading the current 3rd string point guard. George + Hayward is worth not having Smart, Crowder, Bradley, and Rozier. It is a clear upgrade. The team then fills in the roster with the room exception (Baynes), vet and rookie minimums. At the end of the day a 4 some of Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is a real threat to the Cavs and makes Boston a real and legit contender. Thomas, Hayward, Horford and Smart is not on that same level even with some other quality bench level players like Morris, Crowder, and Rozier.
No I guess the math is too hard. YOu are using the current numbers situation to the Pre FA situation. These numbers are not the same. I laid out the numbers above. But its really whatever. if you are upset that the deal didnt get done thats totally your perrogative. I can only run through the numbers as I see them and the cap experts have laid out.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
Committing to make a deal and making a deal are not the same thing. the trade to OKC wasn't finalized for a week (you know after the moratorium ended). Boston did not have to give up Bradley until it had a commitment from Hayward. It didn't need to move Bradley first to get a commitment from Hayward. We know this is true, because this is exactly what happened. All Ainge had to say to Pritchard was, we have a deal no matter what happens with Hayward, but just give me a week to chase that down and/or otherwise use some of the cap space.
Ugh ok fine. Lets do some math. PG makes 19,508,958. Crowder and Smart combined make 11,334,137 for a difference of 8,174,821. Lets put AB at a simple 8.8 million. What we know is that if they renounced everyone they were short 3 million which meant they couldnt just trade Rozier (who makes 2 million) to get to that number. The key is they are 3 millions short.
Now if you add AB to the George trade you are taking in about 625,000 less that you sent out. Great. Now you dump Rozier for cash or a pick. You cant trade him for a player. Now you have gotten rid of Rozier who makes 2 million. You are still short 375,000. NOT A MAX SLOT.
So the only players you have left on the team are IT, Horford, Brown and Tatum and you are trading one of them to free up more money or Hayward takes the small cut. You are hard capped and cant bring over Yabu. You cant sign any of 2nd guys this year unless they go on the 2 way contract. So you have 6 maybe 7 guys depending on Zizic, one room exemption guy and a bunch of vet minimums.
The only way the Smart and Crowder for PG works and Hayward gets the max and you still have the ability to sign players is if you renounced everyone. Then traded AB for Morris. Then signed Tatum, Zizic, and Yabu. Used the room exemption. Then made the PG trade. Indy didnt want to wait for that. Boston didnt want to deal all of that for a player that might leave.
I dont know why there is a need to bang on Ainge for not getting George.
Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey left the team 300k short, you save 700k in the trade. The math isn't that hard. It was a no brainer to make the commitment and worry about waiving some fringe NBA players and trading the current 3rd string point guard. George + Hayward is worth not having Smart, Crowder, Bradley, and Rozier. It is a clear upgrade. The team then fills in the roster with the room exception (Baynes), vet and rookie minimums. At the end of the day a 4 some of Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is a real threat to the Cavs and makes Boston a real and legit contender. Thomas, Hayward, Horford and Smart is not on that same level even with some other quality bench level players like Morris, Crowder, and Rozier.
No I guess the math is too hard. YOu are using the current numbers situation to the Pre FA situation. These numbers are not the same. I laid out the numbers above. But its really whatever. if you are upset that the deal didnt get done thats totally your perrogative. I can only run through the numbers as I see them and the cap experts have laid out.
No I'm not at all. The reason Bradley, Smart, or Crowder had to be traded was because just eliminating Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey, left Boston 300k short of the max. Bradley, Smart, and Crowder make 700k or so more than George does. Thus you remove those 6 players and you have room for both Hayward and George. But you don't have to get rid of the first 3 or Bradley if Hayward didn't sign because Indiana didn't want them and you had the cap room to absorb the rest of George.
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I'm fine with not trading for RENTAL George.
Can you imagine if we gave up 2018 LAL Pick to Indiana in the package, then that pick lands #2 (which IND then gets, we don't), AND George went to Lakers a year later.. :o :o :o
We'd be the laughingstock of the league... oh and people would call for Ainge's head.
Just because he says "OKC feels like home" and what not shouldn't just guarantee he's not leaving in a year lol. Too risky.
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I'm fine with not trading for RENTAL George.
Can you imagine if we gave up 2018 LAL Pick to Indiana in the package, then that pick lands #2 (which IND then gets, we don't), AND George went to Lakers a year later.. :o :o :o
We'd be the laughingstock of the league... oh and people would call for Ainge's head.
Just because he says "OKC feels like home" and what not shouldn't just guarantee he's not leaving in a year lol. Too risky.
Indiana didn't require the LAL pick. They wanted Crowder, Smart, and non-premium picks (you know things like Boston's 2018 1st).
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George (or his agent) really screwed his tradeability when he implied he wanted to sign with the Lakers as a FA. That was predictably hyped up in media (as is anything Lakers).
You know that Magic is going to be aggressive with FAs next summer. He'll be after George and James.
It isn't clear where Ainge stood with George. I suspect he thought he couldn't fit George and Hayward under the cap and make other needed improvements up front. And he knew he had Hayward, was drafting another scorer in Tatum, and wanted to improve his rebounding and D. He also figured that Magic would make a serious run at George next summer.
I think he opted for more depth vs adding another star.
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It wasnt Danny fault that Pritchard couldn't and wouldn't wait..Pacers are determined to send him out West so nothing Danny can do about it...Danny I believe would have given up the Laker pick and or Smart. Really AB Crowder Smart and or the Laker pick arr just really that much better than what they got from OKC.
Sure it was. Ainge wouldn't commit. A commitment doesn't mean an immediate trade. The trade with OKC wasn't finalized for a week.
Why would Ainge commit without Hayward? If Hayward doesnt come you have just traded your 3 best defenders or maybe 2 best defenders for him. If you are trying to go all in the plan would have to be Hayward and George. Indy wanted the deal they saw before them and took it. Im not sure how one can blame Danny for wanting to hold the space open for Hayward and then getting Hayward.
You should always trade Crowder, Smart, and a non-premium pick for Paul George. It should never be a question. Ainge totally blew the negotiations and Paul George should be a Celtic. Boston still could have acquired Hayward by just waiting to make it official. All Ainge had to say was, we have a deal no matter what, just let me use my cap space first before we make it official. Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is absolutely a contender even with vet minimum types surrounding them (but they would have still have Tatum and Brown). That team would not only push Cleveland, but might actually be favored against them and would be a real threat to Golden State (though GS would still be the favorite). Ainge blew this summer by not acquiring George for what the rumored price was. If Hayward didn't sign, then you end up with a nice solid 4 some of Thomas, Bradley, George, and Horford, which is better than the current 4 some anyway. Paul George would be by far the best player on the Celtics. He is a 2 way star. A legit top 10 player in the league. A guy that can not only guard the James', Durant's, and Leonard's of the world, but also forces those guys to play defense.
I havent read past the 1st sentence because what you wrote is not possible and still get Hayward. You would have to trade AB, Smart, and Crowder to make the money work.
Not if you don't sign Hayward. To sign Hayward you had to trade 1 of them anyway, so trading all 3 isn't a big deal if you land George and Hayward (and you didn't have to trade Bradley to Indy, he could have gone to another team for a draft pick or something).
You would have to trade all 3 in order to maintain the option of signing Hayward. Its not a matter of signing him. Im talking about even having the option to sign him would be gone if you just trade Smart and Crowder. Or fine you could trade Crowder, Smart, Brown, Rozier, and Jackson. That would work but you will still trade AB to make room for Hayward.
You didn't have to trade Bradley to Indiana though. Indiana wanted Smart, Crowder, and a non-premium 1st (say Boston's 2018 1st). Boston would have had to trade Bradley in the same trade, but that could have been to a 3rd team that wanted Bradley. So maybe Boston calls up Philly (pre-Redick) and tries to get a pick out of them or the rights to someone. So Boston trades Bradley, Crowder, Smart, and its 2018 1st for George and a PHI 2nd (or something like that). Boston then waives Mickey and Jackson and trades Rozier to acquire Hayward. If however, Hayward decided to stay in Utah, then Boston can just trade Crowder, Smart, and the 2018 1st for George and absorb the rest of George's salary into the left over cap space and thus wouldn't have had to trade Bradley and would have been able to keep Olynyk (if it wanted to).
The point is for what Indy wanted for George there was absolutely no reason for Ainge to not make the commitment to acquire him. You figure the other stuff out later.
So again the net result is exactly what I said. In the deal you have to trade Bradley, Smart and Crowder to keep open a spot for Hayward. You are changing your story from they could have kept Bradley to they could have just traded him to a 3rd team. Also that deal doesnt work cap wise.
No. Indy wanted Smart, Crowder, and a 1st. That is all you had to commit to give up. Bradley only has to be included if Boston lands Hayward (because it had the cap space to absorb George without signing Hayward and doing things like waiving Zeller and giving up the Amir and JJ cap holds). It then finds a trade for Bradley with no salary coming back, but only does that if Hayward commits. If Hayward doesn't commit you don't trade Bradley.
You are moving the goal post. What you are saying is correct if George was traded after Hayward made a decision. That wasnt the case. The trade was made before so in the real world contect you have to trade AB in the deal to keep the slot open. You are trying to play both sides of the argument by saying well you would only have to trade AB after if you got George after Hayward committed.
The fact is George was traded before FA started hence you couldnt do any of what you are talking about unless you trade AB in the deal or trade Brown and other parts as I have outlined. Ainge could not force them to wait on a deal. Nor did Ainge want to commit to a deal that restructed the team when he had the option of adding a player of similar talent.
Committing to make a deal and making a deal are not the same thing. the trade to OKC wasn't finalized for a week (you know after the moratorium ended). Boston did not have to give up Bradley until it had a commitment from Hayward. It didn't need to move Bradley first to get a commitment from Hayward. We know this is true, because this is exactly what happened. All Ainge had to say to Pritchard was, we have a deal no matter what happens with Hayward, but just give me a week to chase that down and/or otherwise use some of the cap space.
Ugh ok fine. Lets do some math. PG makes 19,508,958. Crowder and Smart combined make 11,334,137 for a difference of 8,174,821. Lets put AB at a simple 8.8 million. What we know is that if they renounced everyone they were short 3 million which meant they couldnt just trade Rozier (who makes 2 million) to get to that number. The key is they are 3 millions short.
Now if you add AB to the George trade you are taking in about 625,000 less that you sent out. Great. Now you dump Rozier for cash or a pick. You cant trade him for a player. Now you have gotten rid of Rozier who makes 2 million. You are still short 375,000. NOT A MAX SLOT.
So the only players you have left on the team are IT, Horford, Brown and Tatum and you are trading one of them to free up more money or Hayward takes the small cut. You are hard capped and cant bring over Yabu. You cant sign any of 2nd guys this year unless they go on the 2 way contract. So you have 6 maybe 7 guys depending on Zizic, one room exemption guy and a bunch of vet minimums.
The only way the Smart and Crowder for PG works and Hayward gets the max and you still have the ability to sign players is if you renounced everyone. Then traded AB for Morris. Then signed Tatum, Zizic, and Yabu. Used the room exemption. Then made the PG trade. Indy didnt want to wait for that. Boston didnt want to deal all of that for a player that might leave.
I dont know why there is a need to bang on Ainge for not getting George.
Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey left the team 300k short, you save 700k in the trade. The math isn't that hard. It was a no brainer to make the commitment and worry about waiving some fringe NBA players and trading the current 3rd string point guard. George + Hayward is worth not having Smart, Crowder, Bradley, and Rozier. It is a clear upgrade. The team then fills in the roster with the room exception (Baynes), vet and rookie minimums. At the end of the day a 4 some of Thomas, Hayward, George, and Horford is a real threat to the Cavs and makes Boston a real and legit contender. Thomas, Hayward, Horford and Smart is not on that same level even with some other quality bench level players like Morris, Crowder, and Rozier.
No I guess the math is too hard. YOu are using the current numbers situation to the Pre FA situation. These numbers are not the same. I laid out the numbers above. But its really whatever. if you are upset that the deal didnt get done thats totally your perrogative. I can only run through the numbers as I see them and the cap experts have laid out.
No I'm not at all. The reason Bradley, Smart, or Crowder had to be traded was because just eliminating Rozier, Jackson, and Mickey, left Boston 300k short of the max. Bradley, Smart, and Crowder make 700k or so more than George does. Thus you remove those 6 players and you have room for both Hayward and George. But you don't have to get rid of the first 3 or Bradley if Hayward didn't sign because Indiana didn't want them and you had the cap room to absorb the rest of George.
At this point Im not sure what the argument is here so lets just go with your narrative that Danny is a screw up and should have made the deal.