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Title: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: max215 on July 09, 2017, 02:13:49 PM
Now, I'm not an Okafor fan by any means, but apparently Danny Ainge still has interest in him. While acquiring him in a S&T for Amir is no longer a possibility (Amir officially signed yesterday), there is a way for Danny to get him quite easily. Seeing as we're in need of bigs, I thought I might as well put this out there.

Demetrius Jackson 2017-18 salary: $1,384,750
Jordan Mickey 2017-18 salary: $1,471,382

Djax + Mickey x 1.75 + 100k = $5,098,231

Jahlil Okafor 2017-18 salary: $4,955,120

So, we have the capability to match salary very easily. If necessary, we could sweeten the deal with a second. I'm not advocating for this, but if Dedmon is too expensive, and we miss on the Willie Reeds of the world, it might not be a horrible idea.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: EJPLAYA on July 09, 2017, 02:19:00 PM
As a Duke fan I am a fan of the kid, however feel he would be a poor fit on this team. I think we need a big rebounding defensive center. He's an Al Jefferson type. If we could bring him in for that level package I wouldn't be too upset. Doubt Philly does that though.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Eja117 on July 09, 2017, 02:34:44 PM
Considering the Willie Reeds of the world over the Jahils of the world if Jahil is free is beyond idiotic. Jahil at this point is probably the most underrated player in the league.

If people think trotting out 207 pound guys at PF is some genius move that will never change they are going to be sadly surprised at some point.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: max215 on July 09, 2017, 02:46:24 PM
Considering the Willie Reeds of the world over the Jahils of the world if Jahil is free is beyond idiotic. Jahil at this point is probably the most underrated player in the league.

If people think trotting out 207 pound guys at PF is some genius move that will never change they are going to be sadly surprised at some point.

At least Willie Reed has been a positive force in his career.

Willie Reed career On-Off (per 100 possessions): + 0.9
Jahlil Okafor career On-Off: -11
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 09, 2017, 02:51:49 PM
Considering the Willie Reeds of the world over the Jahils of the world if Jahil is free is beyond idiotic. Jahil at this point is probably the most underrated player in the league.

If people think trotting out 207 pound guys at PF is some genius move that will never change they are going to be sadly surprised at some point.
TP
IMO Okafor would be great on our team sep w/ CBS, new organization, and the culture/makeup of the team. We have shooters and defenders, something Philly completely lacked w/ jahlil.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: CelticsElite on July 09, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
Jahlil won't be in the league within the next 3 years. See: emeka okafor
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: knuckleballer on July 09, 2017, 02:57:20 PM
His value is so low now.  If we could get him for virtually nothing, I'd be curious to see what Stevens could do with him.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: max215 on July 09, 2017, 03:01:23 PM
His value is so low now.  If we could get him for virtually nothing, I'd be curious to see what Stevens could do with him.

I think it makes some sense. Worst case scenario, you can't fix him and he's out of the league in 3-5 years, but you gave up nothing to get him. Best case scenario, he gets his conditioning up to par, learns how to use his size and length, and becomes a really useful player.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 09, 2017, 03:05:15 PM
As a Duke fan I am a fan of the kid, however feel he would be a poor fit on this team. I think we need a big rebounding defensive center. He's an Al Jefferson type. If we could bring him in for that level package I wouldn't be too upset. Doubt Philly does that though.
He's only 21 years old yet most people view him as a finished product. He does have the ability to stretch the floor ala Myles Turner IMO( which would open his game up and increase his value exponentially) and he does have a 7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach.

I was hoping we had some handshake agreement with Philly after the Fultz trade to engage in an Okafor trade later. The talk with Amir Johnson got me excited

Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Evantime34 on July 09, 2017, 03:14:49 PM
I would  be willing to kick the tires on Okafor. He still has upside. I'd give them the Clippers pick and a second for Okafor.

I'm not sure if this move would preclude us from adding Yabu though. If we can bring over Yabu trade for Okafor and add a big with the mle, our roster would have good balance.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Moranis on July 09, 2017, 03:18:07 PM
Jahlil won't be in the league within the next 3 years. See: emeka okafor
You mean a guy that played for 9 years and was basically forced into retirement because of a herniated disc.  That said he was finally medically cleared to return in May, so maybe he tries to mount a comeback.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 09, 2017, 03:18:25 PM
I like Okafor, always have. I'd like to see him on this team.

In terms of he trade it depends on whether we bring Yab over. If we do then I believe one of Jackson or Mickey, likely Mickey, needs to be waived to sign Hayward. If Yab stays overseas, which I would prefer, then I can see it as a possibility
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Granath on July 09, 2017, 03:31:17 PM
His value is so low now.  If we could get him for virtually nothing, I'd be curious to see what Stevens could do with him.

I would as well. He's a reclamation project aka Evan Turner at this point and that's worth kicking the tires on.

I remember that there were some who thought he was worth the #3 pick two years ago....   :o
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: jay on July 09, 2017, 04:15:47 PM
Now, I'm not an Okafor fan by any means, but apparently Danny Ainge still has interest in him. While acquiring him in a S&T for Amir is no longer a possibility (Amir officially signed yesterday), there is a way for Danny to get him quite easily. Seeing as we're in need of bigs, I thought I might as well put this out there.

Demetrius Jackson 2017-18 salary: $1,384,750
Jordan Mickey 2017-18 salary: $1,471,382

Djax + Mickey x 1.75 + 100k = $5,098,231

Jahlil Okafor 2017-18 salary: $4,955,120

So, we have the capability to match salary very easily. If necessary, we could sweeten the deal with a second. I'm not advocating for this, but if Dedmon is too expensive, and we miss on the Willie Reeds of the world, it might not be a horrible idea.

I was curious about how a trade like this affects the cap situation. Once the AB trade goes through, can we sign Hayward outright?

If we could trade Mickey/Jackson (along with a future 2nd rounder and/or the rights to a former 2nd rounder like Nader) for a cheap big like Okafor, Kyle O'Quinn, or Noah Vonleh....that would be huge.

Then we could use the room exception on another big like Willie Reed, Tarik Black, Dwayne Dedmon
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: jay on July 09, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
Now, I'm not an Okafor fan by any means, but apparently Danny Ainge still has interest in him. While acquiring him in a S&T for Amir is no longer a possibility (Amir officially signed yesterday), there is a way for Danny to get him quite easily. Seeing as we're in need of bigs, I thought I might as well put this out there.

Demetrius Jackson 2017-18 salary: $1,384,750
Jordan Mickey 2017-18 salary: $1,471,382

Djax + Mickey x 1.75 + 100k = $5,098,231

Jahlil Okafor 2017-18 salary: $4,955,120

So, we have the capability to match salary very easily. If necessary, we could sweeten the deal with a second. I'm not advocating for this, but if Dedmon is too expensive, and we miss on the Willie Reeds of the world, it might not be a horrible idea.

I was curious about how a trade like this affects the cap situation. Once the AB trade goes through, can we sign Hayward outright?

If we could trade Mickey/Jackson (along with a future 2nd rounder and/or the rights to a former 2nd rounder like Nader) for a cheap big like Okafor, Kyle O'Quinn, or Noah Vonleh....that would be huge.

Then we could use the room exception on another big like Willie Reed, Tarik Black, Dwayne Dedmon

Or Aron Baynes lol
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 09, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
Now, I'm not an Okafor fan by any means, but apparently Danny Ainge still has interest in him. While acquiring him in a S&T for Amir is no longer a possibility (Amir officially signed yesterday), there is a way for Danny to get him quite easily. Seeing as we're in need of bigs, I thought I might as well put this out there.

Demetrius Jackson 2017-18 salary: $1,384,750
Jordan Mickey 2017-18 salary: $1,471,382

Djax + Mickey x 1.75 + 100k = $5,098,231

Jahlil Okafor 2017-18 salary: $4,955,120

So, we have the capability to match salary very easily. If necessary, we could sweeten the deal with a second. I'm not advocating for this, but if Dedmon is too expensive, and we miss on the Willie Reeds of the world, it might not be a horrible idea.

I was curious about how a trade like this affects the cap situation. Once the AB trade goes through, can we sign Hayward outright?

If we could trade Mickey/Jackson (along with a future 2nd rounder and/or the rights to a former 2nd rounder like Nader) for a cheap big like Okafor, Kyle O'Quinn, or Noah Vonleh....that would be huge.

Then we could use the room exception on another big like Willie Reed, Tarik Black, Dwayne Dedmon

Or Aron Baynes lol
lol
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: jay on July 09, 2017, 04:43:35 PM
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2017/5/10/15588092/kyle-oquinns-2016-17-season-in-review

If there is a way to trade Mickey and Jacksons contracts for a cheap big, I want O'Quinn over Okafor. Could be a backup 5, but also can play the 4 if we want to go big.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: max215 on July 09, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2017/5/10/15588092/kyle-oquinns-2016-17-season-in-review

If there is a way to trade Mickey and Jacksons contracts for a cheap big, I want O'Quinn over Okafor. Could be a backup 5, but also can play the 4 if we want to go big.

Financially, this works as well. I'd be fine with O'Quinn, but he'd likely cost a lot more than Okafor.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Chief Macho on July 09, 2017, 04:56:01 PM
i'd like it.  anymore talent upfront.  plus,  i feel like okafur needs a change of scenery.  not sure he's shown what he can do yet.   how isn't he a fatty sully on steroids in our system.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Bobshot on July 09, 2017, 04:58:13 PM
With Baynes signed at $4.3M, I doubt Okafor is in the picture at this point. They wanted D and toughness up front--with experience. They got it with Baynes.

Okafor is basically an offensive player without much experience in the league.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Forza Juventus on July 09, 2017, 07:31:18 PM
His value is so low now.  If we could get him for virtually nothing, I'd be curious to see what Stevens could do with him.

I would as well. He's a reclamation project aka Evan Turner at this point and that's worth kicking the tires on.

I remember that there were some who thought he was worth the #3 pick two years ago....   :o

People said he was better than Towns  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Ogaju on July 09, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
His value is so low now.  If we could get him for virtually nothing, I'd be curious to see what Stevens could do with him.

I would as well. He's a reclamation project aka Evan Turner at this point and that's worth kicking the tires on.

I remember that there were some who thought he was worth the #3 pick two years ago....   :o

People said he was better than Towns  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

that did  not last long. I remember trying to convince a friend in Minnesota that Towns was the better pick he was all in for Okafor. He had not clue about Towns.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 09, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
Got skills on offense

Low attitude , no heart , bad motor = no defense
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Forza Juventus on July 09, 2017, 07:42:37 PM
Hes lazy af and can't move. He was overrated because he played at Duke.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: SCBirdman on July 11, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
Hes lazy af and can't move. He was overrated because he played at Duke.

He won a National Championship at a Duke and was instrumental. I guarantee you the Lakers wish they had drafted Okafor instead of Russell. Too many people are ready to throw dirt on this guy and he's 21 years old and extremely gifted. I think Stevens would make Okafor a star player in the eastern conference. Okafor needs a change of scenery and a winning situation. That's all he needs. With Embid, he's never going to get that chance in Philly.

I am still holding out hope Ainge can acquire him and the reclamation project can begin.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on July 11, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
Jahlil won't be in the league within the next 3 years. See: emeka okafor

You can't compare people just because they have the same surname. They are completely different style of players.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Eja117 on July 11, 2017, 03:11:53 PM
Jahlil won't be in the league within the next 3 years. See: emeka okafor

You can't compare people just because they have the same surname. They are completely different style of players.
I compare Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt all the time but NEVER John Adams and John Quincy Adams, and rarely the George Bushes
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: CelticsElite on July 11, 2017, 03:53:49 PM
Hes lazy af and can't move. He was overrated because he played at Duke.

He won a National Championship at a Duke and was instrumental. I guarantee you the Lakers wish they had drafted Okafor instead of Russell. Too many people are ready to throw dirt on this guy and he's 21 years old and extremely gifted. I think Stevens would make Okafor a star player in the eastern conference. Okafor needs a change of scenery and a winning situation. That's all he needs. With Embid, he's never going to get that chance in Philly.

I am still holding out hope Ainge can acquire him and the reclamation project can begin.
he can't play basketball. Have you ever seen him play in the NBA?
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 11, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
Hes lazy af and can't move. He was overrated because he played at Duke.

He won a National Championship at a Duke and was instrumental. I guarantee you the Lakers wish they had drafted Okafor instead of Russell. Too many people are ready to throw dirt on this guy and he's 21 years old and extremely gifted. I think Stevens would make Okafor a star player in the eastern conference. Okafor needs a change of scenery and a winning situation. That's all he needs. With Embid, he's never going to get that chance in Philly.

I am still holding out hope Ainge can acquire him and the reclamation project can begin.
he can't play basketball. Have you ever seen him play in the NBA?
Yeah this is just not true. Jah is extremely skilled around the basket, he has incredible basketball instincts in the post, something that is rare these days.
The fact that his skillset is not that relevant in the modern NBA is...well irrelevant. He can definitely play ball.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 11, 2017, 05:13:44 PM
Hes lazy af and can't move. He was overrated because he played at Duke.

He won a National Championship at a Duke and was instrumental. I guarantee you the Lakers wish they had drafted Okafor instead of Russell. Too many people are ready to throw dirt on this guy and he's 21 years old and extremely gifted. I think Stevens would make Okafor a star player in the eastern conference. Okafor needs a change of scenery and a winning situation. That's all he needs. With Embid, he's never going to get that chance in Philly.

I am still holding out hope Ainge can acquire him and the reclamation project can begin.
he can't play basketball. Have you ever seen him play in the NBA?
Yeah this is just not true. Jah is extremely skilled around the basket, he has incredible basketball instincts in the post, something that is rare these days.
The fact that his skillset is not that relevant in the modern NBA is...well irrelevant. He can definitely play ball.
TP Sudance.
Plus he is long/big enough to be an effective defender: 9'3'' standing reach with a 7'6.25'' wingspan
IMO Okafor is the most undervalued/ misunderstood player in the game. He is not a "finished" product at only 21 years old. He needs a new team and new location bc Philly is the worst place for him to be.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on July 11, 2017, 05:30:43 PM
Jahlil won't be in the league within the next 3 years. See: emeka okafor

You can't compare people just because they have the same surname. They are completely different style of players.
I compare Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt all the time but NEVER John Adams and John Quincy Adams, and rarely the George Bushes

At least two of them were father-son LOL

About these two basketball players we're talking about, Jahlil doesn't resemble his... some kind of cousin? in anything.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 11, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
If Okafor came to this exact team he would be a very good and maybe even great player for us. He needs a new location and we have the best people to put around him/coach him plus he would be on a contending team.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: loco_91 on July 11, 2017, 11:26:45 PM
Okafor is bad at everything except post scoring, and he's atrocious at perimeter defense and rebounding. He was much more useful to last year's Philly team, where he was one of their primary options on offense, than he would be to us.  If someone is your 4th option on offense and a trainwreck on defense, they're simply unplayable. I literally would not take Okafor's $5m contract for nothing in return. Also, it's not like he's *that* young. Almost every good player shows at least some signs of being good within their first two years, and Okafor has had plenty of opportunities to get playing time in Philly.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 12, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
Okafor is bad at everything except post scoring, and he's atrocious at perimeter defense and rebounding. He was much more useful to last year's Philly team, where he was one of their primary options on offense, than he would be to us.  If someone is your 4th option on offense and a trainwreck on defense, they're simply unplayable. I literally would not take Okafor's $5m contract for nothing in return. Also, it's not like he's *that* young. Almost every good player shows at least some signs of being good within their first two years, and Okafor has had plenty of opportunities to get playing time in Philly.
Thats the point he has shown signs. Plus Stats or eye test he is a better ROI than any other player we could get w/o giving up a lot.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: jdz101 on July 12, 2017, 01:09:27 AM
Okafor is bad at everything except post scoring, and he's atrocious at perimeter defense and rebounding. He was much more useful to last year's Philly team, where he was one of their primary options on offense, than he would be to us.  If someone is your 4th option on offense and a trainwreck on defense, they're simply unplayable. I literally would not take Okafor's $5m contract for nothing in return. Also, it's not like he's *that* young. Almost every good player shows at least some signs of being good within their first two years, and Okafor has had plenty of opportunities to get playing time in Philly.
Thats the point he has shown signs. Plus Stats or eye test he is a better ROI than any other player we could get w/o giving up a lot.

By on court - off court splits he was actually the worst player in the entire league for a time last year. I don't think he has shown anything other than being a detriment.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2017, 01:52:19 AM
Why are people so shocked he is a bust? It is not all that different from Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson, Ekpe udoh etc
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on July 12, 2017, 02:52:36 AM
Why are people so shocked he is a bust? It is not all that different from Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson, Ekpe udoh etc

To be fair, he is quite more skilled than those names.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: timpiker on July 12, 2017, 11:33:08 AM
I've been very impressed with his offensive skills.  D and rebounding?  Not.  I think with the right team he could become a very good player.  If I could get him cheap I'd do it.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: PAOBoston on July 12, 2017, 11:36:42 AM
We already have a developmental big in Zizic. Okafor would be dead weight/end of bench fodder and get zero minutes. If they do sign another big man, it'll be a minimum vet lockeroom type of guy imo
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 12, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
I don't see why not. Wouldn't hurt to have a 22 year old Center who was once the 3rd pick in the draft.  If we can get him for cheap, why not?

Brad Stevens is the type of coach that puts players in the best position to succeed and he makes players better.  See: Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Evan Turner.

I think he can do the same for Jahlil Okafor.  I also think that Gordon Hayward is going to have a career year this season.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
Why are people so shocked he is a bust? It is not all that different from Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson, Ekpe udoh etc

To be fair, he is quite more skilled than those names.

Perhaps moreso than Udoh or Bennett, but Robinson is similar in that he appears to have one very elite NBA skill. Robinson has actually averaged 15 rebounds per 36 throughout his career which is pretty good and is probably an even better offensive rebounder. What is funny is that Robinson actually did put up really nice numbers the one year he played in Philly's rebuild system that were quite similar to Okafor 17 and 15 per 36. However, being an elite rebounder gets people a lot less excited than being an elite post scorer and Robinson has been given more opportunities so there is less mystery with him at this point. All that being said I don't think people should be so shocked if the two of them have similar careers.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 12, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
Why are people so shocked he is a bust? It is not all that different from Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson, Ekpe udoh etc

To be fair, he is quite more skilled than those names.

Perhaps moreso than Udoh or Bennett, but Robinson is similar in that he appears to have one very elite NBA skill. Robinson has actually averaged 15 rebounds per 36 throughout his career which is pretty good and is probably an even better offensive rebounder. What is funny is that Robinson actually did put up really nice numbers the one year he played in Philly's rebuild system that were quite similar to Okafor 17 and 15 per 36. However, being an elite rebounder gets people a lot less excited than being an elite post scorer and Robinson has been given more opportunities so there is less mystery with him at this point. All that being said I don't think people should be so shocked if the two of them have similar careers.

So are people saying that the equivalent of Thomas Robinson is notably worse at the end of a bench than TZ, DJ,  GG, Mickey, Young... which was last year's group of sometimes, occasionally, sparingly used bench players?  Okafor  has the potential to add more value to the team than any of last year's end of bench players.  Forget 'bust', forget former #3, Okafur is a 7' 21 yo who has averaged 15 pts and 6 rebounds in 2 NBA seasons.  If the cost is minimal I don't see how this isn't a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Phantom255x on July 12, 2017, 07:40:52 PM
I wouldn't mind taking a flier on him, BUT now I think that's extremely difficult because of salary issues now.

And no, I wouldn't want to give up Rozier in any deal for him, so there's that.

With no Fultz and now no Bradley, guard depth is important and therefore, keeping Smart+Rozier is probably Ainge's goal now (alongside or behind Isaiah). Good chance Jackson doesn't stay either.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: moiso on July 12, 2017, 07:49:24 PM
Why are people so shocked he is a bust? It is not all that different from Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson, Ekpe udoh etc

To be fair, he is quite more skilled than those names.

Perhaps moreso than Udoh or Bennett, but Robinson is similar in that he appears to have one very elite NBA skill. Robinson has actually averaged 15 rebounds per 36 throughout his career which is pretty good and is probably an even better offensive rebounder. What is funny is that Robinson actually did put up really nice numbers the one year he played in Philly's rebuild system that were quite similar to Okafor 17 and 15 per 36. However, being an elite rebounder gets people a lot less excited than being an elite post scorer and Robinson has been given more opportunities so there is less mystery with him at this point. All that being said I don't think people should be so shocked if the two of them have similar careers.

So are people saying that the equivalent of Thomas Robinson is notably worse at the end of a bench than TZ, DJ,  GG, Mickey, Young... which was last year's group of sometimes, occasionally, sparingly used bench players?  Okafor  has the potential to add more value to the team than any of last year's end of bench players.  Forget 'bust', forget former #3, Okafur is a 7' 21 yo who has averaged 15 pts and 6 rebounds in 2 NBA seasons.  If the cost is minimal I don't see how this isn't a no-brainer.
I agree that he has some talent but the guy that averaged 15 and 6 in his first two years would have averaged slightly more than 0 and 0 on teams like the Spurs, GS, and Cleveland- which is what we want to be.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 12, 2017, 08:12:25 PM
Why are people so shocked he is a bust? It is not all that different from Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson, Ekpe udoh etc

To be fair, he is quite more skilled than those names.

Perhaps moreso than Udoh or Bennett, but Robinson is similar in that he appears to have one very elite NBA skill. Robinson has actually averaged 15 rebounds per 36 throughout his career which is pretty good and is probably an even better offensive rebounder. What is funny is that Robinson actually did put up really nice numbers the one year he played in Philly's rebuild system that were quite similar to Okafor 17 and 15 per 36. However, being an elite rebounder gets people a lot less excited than being an elite post scorer and Robinson has been given more opportunities so there is less mystery with him at this point. All that being said I don't think people should be so shocked if the two of them have similar careers.

So are people saying that the equivalent of Thomas Robinson is notably worse at the end of a bench than TZ, DJ,  GG, Mickey, Young... which was last year's group of sometimes, occasionally, sparingly used bench players?  Okafor  has the potential to add more value to the team than any of last year's end of bench players.  Forget 'bust', forget former #3, Okafur is a 7' 21 yo who has averaged 15 pts and 6 rebounds in 2 NBA seasons.  If the cost is minimal I don't see how this isn't a no-brainer.
I agree that he has some talent but the guy that averaged 15 and 6 in his first two years would have averaged slightly more than 0 and 0 on teams like the Spurs, GS, and Cleveland- which is what we want to be.
There is no way you can know that. And the Cavs could have used a guy like Okafor in the Finals when TT was doing nothing. A guy that they could have dumped it down to and he scores. Most people agree he needs a new scene and IMO the Celtics would be the perfect team for him.  He has the talent and the physical tools (7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach) to be an effective defender and extend his offensive game.

His value is low and the ROI is possibly huge.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 12, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
We already have a developmental big in Zizic. Okafor would be dead weight/end of bench fodder and get zero minutes. If they do sign another big man, it'll be a minimum vet lockeroom type of guy imo
Okafor has shown more talent and flashes of actual ability than Zizic. Okafor is only 1 year older. Also, Okafor has a 7'6.25'' wingspan and Zizic has a 7'2'' wingspan and both have the same standing reach.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: nickagneta on July 12, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
What is the infatuation with Okafor on this blog? If he was going to be traded here it would have happened by now. He isn't going to be a Celtic. Just let it go already. He is a Sixer and he sucks. Let it stay that way and just let it go!!!!
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: gouki88 on July 12, 2017, 08:39:06 PM
What is the infatuation with Okafor on this blog? If he was going to be traded here it would have happened by now. He isn't going to be a Celtic. Just let it go already. He is a Sixer and he sucks. Let it stay that way and just let it go!!!!
This x100
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Eddie20 on July 12, 2017, 10:23:54 PM
We already have a developmental big in Zizic. Okafor would be dead weight/end of bench fodder and get zero minutes. If they do sign another big man, it'll be a minimum vet lockeroom type of guy imo
He has the talent and the physical tools (7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach) to be an effective defender and extend his offensive game.

Okafor has shown more talent and flashes of actual ability than Zizic. Okafor is only 1 year older. Also, Okafor has a 7'6.25'' wingspan and Zizic has a 7'2'' wingspan and both have the same standing reach.

Apparently your infatuation for the scrub has caused his wingspan and standing reach to grow.

The last time he was measured (2014 Hoop Summit) Okafor had a 7'5" wingspan and 9'2 ½ standing reach. Also, Zizic has a 7'2 '1/2" wingspan has a 9'3" standing reach.

Regardless, Zizic has shown a lot more potential than Okafor in terms of rebounding and interior defense. You know, things that we're actually weak on. Okafor is a one tick pony in an age where that one trick is obsolete. It's kind of like having the best flip-phone around.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 12, 2017, 10:38:31 PM
We already have a developmental big in Zizic. Okafor would be dead weight/end of bench fodder and get zero minutes. If they do sign another big man, it'll be a minimum vet lockeroom type of guy imo
He has the talent and the physical tools (7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach) to be an effective defender and extend his offensive game.

Okafor has shown more talent and flashes of actual ability than Zizic. Okafor is only 1 year older. Also, Okafor has a 7'6.25'' wingspan and Zizic has a 7'2'' wingspan and both have the same standing reach.

Apparently your infatuation for the scrub has caused his wingspan and standing reach to grow.

The last time he was measured (2014 Hoop Summit) Okafor had a 7'5" wingspan and 9'2 ½ standing reach. Also, Zizic 7'2 '1/2" wingspan has 9'3".

Regardless, Zizic has shown a lot more potential than Okafor in terms of rebounding and interior defense. You know, things that we're actually weak on. Okafor is a one tick pony in an age where that one trick is obsolete. It's kind of like having the best flip-phone around.
So Okafor has never measured a 7'6.25'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach?

These are the same measurements I have always used w/ Okafor and it just shows how desperate you are to prove Zizic is better than Okafor. I guess that is what I should expect after calling Myles Turner......remember that one. I caught the same crap from novices like you and now Turner is the face of that franchise.

All that matters is that Okafors ROI is large. If his game got better and the asking price went way up I wouldn't want him anymore. The same was the case with Myles Turner when he was the 11th pick.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Eddie20 on July 12, 2017, 10:50:35 PM
We already have a developmental big in Zizic. Okafor would be dead weight/end of bench fodder and get zero minutes. If they do sign another big man, it'll be a minimum vet lockeroom type of guy imo
He has the talent and the physical tools (7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach) to be an effective defender and extend his offensive game.

Okafor has shown more talent and flashes of actual ability than Zizic. Okafor is only 1 year older. Also, Okafor has a 7'6.25'' wingspan and Zizic has a 7'2'' wingspan and both have the same standing reach.

Apparently your infatuation for the scrub has caused his wingspan and standing reach to grow.

The last time he was measured (2014 Hoop Summit) Okafor had a 7'5" wingspan and 9'2 ½ standing reach. Also, Zizic 7'2 '1/2" wingspan has 9'3".

Regardless, Zizic has shown a lot more potential than Okafor in terms of rebounding and interior defense. You know, things that we're actually weak on. Okafor is a one tick pony in an age where that one trick is obsolete. It's kind of like having the best flip-phone around.
So Okafor has never measured a 7'6.25'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach?

These are the same measurements I have always used w/ Okafor and it just shows how desperate you are to prove Zizic is better than Okafor. I guess that is what I should expect after calling Myles Turner......remember that one. I caught the same crap from novices like you and now Turner is the face of that franchise.

All that matters is that Okafors ROI is large. If his game got better and the asking price went way up I wouldn't want him anymore. The same was the case with Myles Turner when he was the 11th pick.

Not sure what you're talking about since I was actually always very high on Turner. That said, Tuner's ability to defend was never in question. Okafor was protected in Duke with the heavy zone they ran that year.

I would take Zizic over Okafor because he has a skill set that is easily integrated in the team (rebounding, interior D).

Okafor's value is low and it's for good reason. He's shown to be a bad NBA player and a bust of a pick. It's okay to let this one go already. You've harped on this long enough. Where's the white flag?
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: jay on July 12, 2017, 10:53:46 PM
With Baynes and Zizic on board, I would rather go after a backup PF. What about Noah Vonleh? Makes $3.5 million in the last year of his contract. 6-9 with a 7-3 wingspan. Made strides in his 3rd year in the league. Rebounded pretty well in 17 mins per game.
Title: Re: Jahlil Okafor
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 12, 2017, 11:20:35 PM
We already have a developmental big in Zizic. Okafor would be dead weight/end of bench fodder and get zero minutes. If they do sign another big man, it'll be a minimum vet lockeroom type of guy imo
He has the talent and the physical tools (7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach) to be an effective defender and extend his offensive game.

Okafor has shown more talent and flashes of actual ability than Zizic. Okafor is only 1 year older. Also, Okafor has a 7'6.25'' wingspan and Zizic has a 7'2'' wingspan and both have the same standing reach.

Apparently your infatuation for the scrub has caused his wingspan and standing reach to grow.

The last time he was measured (2014 Hoop Summit) Okafor had a 7'5" wingspan and 9'2 ½ standing reach. Also, Zizic 7'2 '1/2" wingspan has 9'3".

Regardless, Zizic has shown a lot more potential than Okafor in terms of rebounding and interior defense. You know, things that we're actually weak on. Okafor is a one tick pony in an age where that one trick is obsolete. It's kind of like having the best flip-phone around.
So Okafor has never measured a 7'6.25'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach?

These are the same measurements I have always used w/ Okafor and it just shows how desperate you are to prove Zizic is better than Okafor. I guess that is what I should expect after calling Myles Turner......remember that one. I caught the same crap from novices like you and now Turner is the face of that franchise.

All that matters is that Okafors ROI is large. If his game got better and the asking price went way up I wouldn't want him anymore. The same was the case with Myles Turner when he was the 11th pick.

Not sure what you're talking about since I was actually always very high on Turner. That said, Tuner's ability to defend was never in question. Okafor was protected in Duke with the heavy zone they ran that year.

I would take Zizic over Okafor because he has a skill set that is easily integrated in the team (rebounding, interior D).

Okafor's value is low and it's for good reason. He's shown to be a bad NBA player and a bust of a pick. It's okay to let this one go already. You've harped on this long enough. Where's the white flag?
This is what you should have said to begin with because I AGREE and understand where you are coming from. I'm not Okafor's mother/#1 fanboy...but I am a fanboy/obsessed with players that can provide a high Return On Investment for this team. Right now that just so happens to be Okafor IMO.
I can see where you are coming from, can you see my side at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrYQsrjwOgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihwmQ3PaC8&t=336s

I see a guy that is possibly on the verge to extending his shooting range ( his shot is not broken or anything) and has shown flashes in actual NBA games to lead me to this. Also, his defense has been so bad but IMO the kid is a legit basketball player and with his elite length and size should be able to be an effective defender.
On the C's he would be on a contending team and would have to "put-up or shut-up" and he would have to follow CBS system. He would have Horford, among others, to help him and be perfect mentors for him. He would be back on a winning team and would not have to play a ton of minutes stringed together, like in Philly.


BTW. Were you on the Myles Turner train. A few of us PM'd eachother bc we were getting harassed like crazy. "He runs funny" and "He's just a stuff that can't even run or jump". Even when we showed the medical reports from the hip/gait dr and showed that Turner had 2 years and the problem would be resolved. Funny no one ever likes to say that they didn't like him bc he ran funny anymore.