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Title: Tatum is a stud, we have a 3rd go to scorer + can REBOUND!
Post by: rondohondo on July 08, 2017, 10:28:20 PM
He is already an NBA vet.

He has the dirk step back

Carmelos handle

Otto porters length

Should he start over Morris at PF? Because he can clearly rebound too.

I know I want a closing lineup of

IT
Hayward
Tatum
Morris
Horford.

All 5 are legitimate threats 1on 1

Best pick of Dannys career
Title: Re: Tatum is a stud, we have a 3rd go to scorer + can REBOUND!
Post by: hpantazo on July 08, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
He certainly is. I know its summer league, but he has a really advanced offensive skill set. Very, very impressive.
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Post by: Celts Fan 508 on July 08, 2017, 10:31:07 PM
I've been saying that he was the best prospect since December.  He absolutely has the offensive game to start, we will see about his defense against NBA players.
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Post by: Snakehead on July 08, 2017, 10:33:31 PM
The defense and rebounding has been impressive for SL.  He uses his length very well.
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 08, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
my favorite prospect next to fultz. could be dannys best pick since bradley
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 08, 2017, 10:34:34 PM
I've been saying that he was the best prospect since December.  He absolutely has the offensive game to start, we will see about his defense against NBA players.
and also the best fit with the team.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 08, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
Hopefully his 3 improves... If he can catch and shoot the 3 and add mass..

Really needs these two things to take his game to the next level
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Post by: Granath on July 08, 2017, 10:40:24 PM
*puts rational hat on*

"It's only summer league and he's only 19, folks. Calm down."

...

*puts Celtics hat on and watches tape*

"Holy bloody hell this kid is good."
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Post by: SparzWizard on July 08, 2017, 10:40:35 PM
Man if he can transition these summer league games and stats to regular season games on a consistent basis...Ainge was definitely a genius for trading down.

I admit I was upset when he did that. But it's starting to look intriguing that he did that NOW lol. Plus we have the Lakers' protected pick.
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Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on July 08, 2017, 10:40:46 PM
He needs to learn how to pass first. He can't go into a veteran team and fit in when he is a black hole. He has been struggling finding open players against professional AAU teams. It will get worst against organized defense that he has never seen before.
Title: Re: Tatum is a stud, we have a 3rd go to scorer + can REBOUND!
Post by: Tr1boy on July 08, 2017, 10:50:16 PM
He needs to learn how to pass first. He can't go into a veteran team and fit in when he is a black hole. He has been struggling finding open players against professional AAU teams. It will get worst against organized defense that he has never seen before.

He will

Brown has been a hog in the SL. Different at the big stage
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Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 08, 2017, 10:50:43 PM
He is already an NBA vet.

He has the dirk step back

Carmelos handle

Otto porters length

Should he start over Morris at PF? Because he can clearly rebound too.

I know I want a closing lineup of

IT
Hayward
Tatum
Morris
Horford.

All 5 are legitimate threats 1on 1

Best pick of Dannys career
Relax. It's summer league.

Ideally Tatum could enter that closing lineup by the end of the year, but right now it's got to be:

Thomas-smart-Hayward-crowder-horford

Those are your 5 best players. Play them in crunch time.
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Post by: hodgy03038 on July 08, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
This kid is the real deal. I am so impressed with everything about his game and his demeanor. Great pick Danny.
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Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 08, 2017, 10:53:40 PM
i like him a lot. but this is SUMMER LEAGUE!!! when the nba players return to the court tatum is going to have to go through a tough learning curve.

let's all be patient here with him.
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Post by: max215 on July 08, 2017, 10:55:03 PM
Hopefully his 3 improves... If he can catch and shoot the 3 and add mass..

Really needs these two things to take his game to the next level

He has zero willingness whatsoever to shoot the three. Now, I trust that Brad will fix that, but that's the one thing that's holding him back from being a special scorer.
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Post by: j804 on July 08, 2017, 10:56:09 PM
He needs to learn how to pass first. He can't go into a veteran team and fit in when he is a black hole. He has been struggling finding open players against professional AAU teams. It will get worst against organized defense that he has never seen before.
I dunno what you're seeing but he's made the right play attacking or passing out of doubles. The staff is clearly calling his number for him to go to work and he's scoring at will most of the time.
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Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on July 08, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
He looks great. He did take 3-4 shots tonight that he really shouldn't have but it's hard to complain  too much. For all we know Walter's directions for him could be "shoot and shoot some more!"
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Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 08, 2017, 10:58:57 PM
Hopefully his 3 improves... If he can catch and shoot the 3 and add mass..

Really needs these two things to take his game to the next level

He has zero willingness whatsoever to shoot the three. Now, I trust that Brad will fix that, but that's the one thing that's holding him back from being a special scorer.
He's got nice form and is a great free throw shooter.

He will extend his range. I've got no doubt about it.

I'm 3 years he will be strong enough to play power forward and he will be a 38+% shooter from three and he will be Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing 22.
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Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 08, 2017, 10:59:12 PM
we have 4 or maybe 5 guys who can create their own shot now.
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Post by: Celtics4ever on July 08, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
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Brown has been a hog in the SL. Different at the big stage

He is trying to do too much and it is killing his game.   I thought Nader was a ball hog, too.

I am going on record, I think Tatum will surpass Brown on the depth chart at some point.  I know it is just SL but cream rises to the top.
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Post by: green_bballers13 on July 08, 2017, 11:07:26 PM
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Brown has been a hog in the SL. Different at the big stage

He is trying to do too much and it is killing his game.   I thought Nader was a ball hog, too.

I am going on record, I think Tatum will surpass Brown on the depth chart at some point.  I know it is just SL but cream rises to the top.

That wouldn't surprise anyone. Tatum is more of a finished product. Brown is the superior athlete. Jaylen has a lower floor that Tatum, but might have a higher ceiling.

I think Tatum is going to be special, and I hope Jaylen is.
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Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 08, 2017, 11:08:43 PM
Hopefully his 3 improves... If he can catch and shoot the 3 and add mass..

Really needs these two things to take his game to the next level

He has zero willingness whatsoever to shoot the three. Now, I trust that Brad will fix that, but that's the one thing that's holding him back from being a special scorer.

Naw.  You just haven't been watching.  He's 3/10 from three point range over the last four games.
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Post by: max215 on July 08, 2017, 11:11:15 PM
Hopefully his 3 improves... If he can catch and shoot the 3 and add mass..

Really needs these two things to take his game to the next level

He has zero willingness whatsoever to shoot the three. Now, I trust that Brad will fix that, but that's the one thing that's holding him back from being a special scorer.

Naw.  You just haven't been watching.  He's 3/10 from three point range over the last four games.

I've watched every second of all four games, including one of them twice. Today, he was 1/1 on essentially a heave. He's turned down countless open looks, opting for contested twos instead. He's very clearly uncomfortable from everywhere but the corners.
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Post by: moiso on July 08, 2017, 11:14:51 PM
Nothing is holding Tatum back, he is a stud.  And already much better than Brown.  He does not see the court very well as far as passing but I find myself hoping he gets to take the shot every time down the court.  If not for the veteran/rookie pecking order, I would say Tatum looks to be an equal scorer as Hayward, maybe even Isaiah.
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Post by: chiken Green on July 08, 2017, 11:15:36 PM
I have a feeling this kid is going to be scary good..  Its not the SL points  but the confidence and poise he plays with..  He wants to be great.. 

No matter what happens with Fultz.. Danny made the right call grabbing this kid.  He is special.
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Post by: mqtcelticsfan on July 08, 2017, 11:18:39 PM
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Brown has been a hog in the SL. Different at the big stage

He is trying to do too much and it is killing his game.   I thought Nader was a ball hog, too.

I am going on record, I think Tatum will surpass Brown on the depth chart at some point.  I know it is just SL but cream rises to the top.

To be fair, developing his ability to create his own shot and hit threes would have to be the top priorities for Jaylen right now. I highly doubt he keeps up this style of play in the real games.
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Post by: Celtics4ever on July 08, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
I thought at times Kuzma's length bothered him.  Tatum played within his game and played well though.   Kuzma scored 31, though.  I think Tatum will be the better player but Kuzma was a nice pick for 27 and it kills me to say that because I hate the Lakers.

I think it is ok for Tatum's favorite player to be Kobe, even though I hated Kobe and still hate the Lakers.
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Post by: Surferdad on July 08, 2017, 11:23:19 PM
Love, love Tatum, but pump the brakes on starting right away.  He has A LOT to learn about many aspects of the game other than shooting.

Folks also have such short memories.  He had a mediocre first half highlighted by some bad defense.

He is NOT better than Brown, yet.  ;)
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Post by: PaulP34 on July 08, 2017, 11:24:37 PM
I agree Tatum is going to be special. I can't even say who he reminds me of cause he's got some Dirk Nowinski step backs, Paul Pierce spin moves n that fade away is so dope. He's got so much length and he utilizes it well even on the boards. It takes him 2 steps from the foul line to lay in the basket using his long body in perfect pivit mode. Kids gonna be amazing....

Great pick Danny
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 08, 2017, 11:26:16 PM
Love, love Tatum, but pump the brakes on starting right away.  He has A LOT to learn about many aspects of the game other than shooting.

Folks also have such short memories.  He had a mediocre first half highlighted by some bad defense.

He is NOT better than Brown, yet.  ;)
he had a bad first half cuz his gas pedal wasn't pressed all the way. They fixed it at half time
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Post by: liam on July 08, 2017, 11:26:51 PM
I thought at times Kuzma's length bothered him.  Tatum played within his game and played well though.   Kuzma scored 31, though.  I think Tatum will be the better player but Kuzma was a nice pick for 27 and it kills me to say that because I hate the Lakers.

I think it is ok for Tatum's favorite player to be Kobe, even though I hated Kobe and still hate the Lakers.

I really liked Kuzma. Looked like a man among boys at times but he's also 22.
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Post by: moiso on July 08, 2017, 11:44:18 PM
Love, love Tatum, but pump the brakes on starting right away.  He has A LOT to learn about many aspects of the game other than shooting.

Folks also have such short memories.  He had a mediocre first half highlighted by some bad defense.

He is NOT better than Brown, yet.  ;)
He looks a lot better than Brown to me.  Better shooter, much more refined moves, maybe better rebounding.  He just knows how to play.  Brown is still like a rough draft of what he could become.
Title: Re: Tatum is a stud, we have a 3rd go to scorer + can REBOUND!
Post by: HostAndGreetYourRoastBeef on July 08, 2017, 11:44:20 PM
First post here. Obviously, competition outside of Summer League will be much tougher, but it doesn't change the fact that the ridiculously smooth moves and excellent shot creation will 100% translate to the NBA for Tatum.

He seems like at least an average defender, and I believe he'll be an offensive superstar. Never been this excited about a rookie in any sport (with Hackenberg on my Jets taking a close second).

I'm so glad we didn't trade Tatum and our future for a superstar. He IS a superstar, and we get to keep our future. We don't want to compete for 3-4 years, we want to be a Spurs-like DYNASTY. And Tatum will be an excellent building block. Not as high on Smart/Brown.
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Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on July 08, 2017, 11:55:08 PM
He needs to learn how to pass first. He can't go into a veteran team and fit in when he is a black hole. He has been struggling finding open players against professional AAU teams. It will get worst against organized defense that he has never seen before.
I dunno what you're seeing but he's made the right play attacking or passing out of doubles. The staff is clearly calling his number for him to go to work and he's scoring at will most of the time.
I watched him hold the ball when he got doubled at least 3 times tonight. At the next level those are turnovers that lead to points. He played very good and has looked like a good scorer, but his game has a long way to go before he is considered a third option especially on a team that is suppose to contend.
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Post by: ETNCeltics on July 09, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
What has served Tatum in these games is he has a high basketball IQ. He also played for one of the best coaches in America for his year of college, while Brown played in college for a far lesser coach.

Even when Brown would beat his man, he would run straight into the congestion in the paint without the instinct or vision to find the open man (although many times there were no open men, just teammates standing around watching). Jaylen's handle has definitely improved, and I think the rest of his game will, too. He's just not nearly as polished as Tatum.

I'm excited  about both and can't wait to see them this fall with our veterans.
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Post by: vjcsmoke on July 09, 2017, 12:15:03 AM
I'm sorry did you miss the part where Tatum scored 27 pts and pulled in 11 rebounds while leading the team to a win over the Lakers? 

He clearly outshone Ball.  Only reason Ball's second game stood out because it was a lot better than his horrible first game.
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 09, 2017, 12:19:10 AM
I'm sorry did you miss the part where Tatum scored 27 pts and pulled in 11 rebounds while leading the team to a win over the Lakers? 

He clearly outshone Ball.  Only reason Ball's second game stood out because it was a lot better than his horrible first game.
Yup. Tatum impressed me more too. I also prefer to win games


Anyone notice how the ball triple double was plastered all over espn.com (until the Fultz injury)  but the Celtics win/ Lakers loss wasn't listed  anywhere on the homepage! All about clicks
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Post by: nickagneta on July 09, 2017, 12:21:12 AM
What has served Tatum in these games is he has a high basketball IQ. He also played for one of the best coaches in America for his year of college, while Brown played in college for a far lesser coach.

Even when Brown would beat his man, he would run straight into the congestion in the paint without the instinct or vision to find the open man (although many times there were no open men, just teammates standing around watching). Jaylen's handle has definitely improved, and I think the rest of his game will, too. He's just not nearly as polished as Tatum.

I'm excited  about both and can't wait to see them this fall with our veterans.
I'm excited for the duture with these two but see Tatum as having the higher upside, Kid just has "IT", and that's pretty easy to see. I see many Alk-Star games and All-NBA teams in hus future. Not right away but 4-5 years from now he is going to be an absolute stud.

Brown is going to need to work harder to reach his peak but with his work ethic and athleticism, he could be special. But I think if Tatum works as hard at his game as Brown does, he will be the better player.

If this team can add Ayton at center and Porter at SF while keeping Brown as a SG, its scary how good this Cs team could be come 2023-2024. Also, scary how high their payroll could be to keep them all together.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 09, 2017, 12:30:25 AM
wanted to see Tatum vs Ingram matchup tonight

sux
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 09, 2017, 12:32:18 AM
What has served Tatum in these games is he has a high basketball IQ. He also played for one of the best coaches in America for his year of college, while Brown played in college for a far lesser coach.

Even when Brown would beat his man, he would run straight into the congestion in the paint without the instinct or vision to find the open man (although many times there were no open men, just teammates standing around watching). Jaylen's handle has definitely improved, and I think the rest of his game will, too. He's just not nearly as polished as Tatum.

I'm excited  about both and can't wait to see them this fall with our veterans.
I'm excited for the duture with these two but see Tatum as having the higher upside, Kid just has "IT", and that's pretty easy to see. I see many Alk-Star games and All-NBA teams in hus future. Not right away but 4-5 years from now he is going to be an absolute stud.

Brown is going to need to work harder to reach his peak but with his work ethic and athleticism, he could be special. But I think if Tatum works as hard at his game as Brown does, he will be the better player.

If this team can add Ayton at center and Porter at SF while keeping Brown as a SG, its scary how good this Cs team could be come 2023-2024. Also, scary how high their payroll could be to keep them all together.
we could bring all the Brooklyn picks off the bench with smart
2018:
IT/(ring chasing vet SG) / Hayward /Morris / Horford
Smart / brown / Tatum / porter / ayton
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Post by: rochrist on July 09, 2017, 12:35:13 AM
I thought at times Kuzma's length bothered him.  Tatum played within his game and played well though.   Kuzma scored 31, though.  I think Tatum will be the better player but Kuzma was a nice pick for 27 and it kills me to say that because I hate the Lakers.

I think it is ok for Tatum's favorite player to be Kobe, even though I hated Kobe and still hate the Lakers.

On 26(!) shots.
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Post by: mef730 on July 09, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
I'm excited by Tatum's performance, but for a different reason than others, I think.

It's the summer league. Players are rusty and the competition is obviously weaker. Tatum's gonna score a lot because he'll have better opportunities against these guys than against Kawhi Leonard. He'll rebound better because he's not playing against Andre Drummond.

But the free throw line is the same distance in SL as it is in the regular season, and the guy went 8-8 from the line. I love seeing a young guy who can get the free points in addition to the flashy ones.

Mike
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Post by: ausbacker on July 09, 2017, 12:46:23 AM
Summer League sure but I'm more interested in the substance of Tatum's performance which clearly, showed a polished scorer. I know we need to pump the brakes but it's an appetising prospect watching him play. IMO, he simply looks better than everyone on the court.

Let's see how he goes further up the totem pole.
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Post by: footey on July 09, 2017, 12:47:21 AM
I'm excited by Tatum's performance, but for a different reason than others, I think.

It's the summer league. Players are rusty and the competition is obviously weaker. Tatum's gonna score a lot because he'll have better opportunities against these guys than against Kawhi Leonard. He'll rebound better because he's not playing against Andre Drummond.

But the free throw line is the same distance in SL as it is in the regular season, and the guy went 8-8 from the line. I love seeing a young guy who can get the free points in addition to the flashy ones.

Mike

Yes. Like Pierce I expect him to use his body to create contact and get to the line. That skill set adds 5-6 ppg to scoring average when you knock down the free throws. Look at IT.
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Post by: green_bballers13 on July 09, 2017, 12:52:17 AM
I'm excited by Tatum's performance, but for a different reason than others, I think.

It's the summer league. Players are rusty and the competition is obviously weaker. Tatum's gonna score a lot because he'll have better opportunities against these guys than against Kawhi Leonard. He'll rebound better because he's not playing against Andre Drummond.

But the free throw line is the same distance in SL as it is in the regular season, and the guy went 8-8 from the line. I love seeing a young guy who can get the free points in addition to the flashy ones.

Mike

This is the main reason why I prefered him to Josh Jackson. That and he didn't seem to have an attitude with Boston. Oh, and Tatum's a better scorer and we need scoring. Also, he's not similar to Jaylen Brown.
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Post by: PhoSita on July 09, 2017, 01:40:41 AM
He does have some Melo in him.  Also reminds me a lot of Tobias Harris.

I'm hoping he becomes an All-Star caliber version of Tobias Harris.
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Post by: vjcsmoke on July 09, 2017, 02:20:37 AM
I thought you were gonna suggest we trade him for Ball...

He is already an NBA vet.

He has the dirk step back

Carmelos handle

Otto porters length

Should he start over Morris at PF? Because he can clearly rebound too.

I know I want a closing lineup of

IT
Hayward
Tatum
Morris
Horford.

All 5 are legitimate threats 1on 1

Best pick of Dannys career
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Post by: aingeforthree on July 09, 2017, 02:59:16 AM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
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Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 09, 2017, 03:06:07 AM
He does have some Melo in him.  Also reminds me a lot of Tobias Harris.

I'm hoping he becomes an All-Star caliber version of Tobias Harris.

Harris is a good player in his own right, but he relies a great deal more on athleticism and isn't nearly as polished at Tatum. 
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Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 09, 2017, 03:15:55 AM
He will grow physically as well and his game will get even better.
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Post by: makaveli on July 09, 2017, 06:24:16 AM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.
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Post by: Somebody on July 09, 2017, 07:20:00 AM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.
Also, if that pick is in the 2-5 range and Fultz has a promising but injury riddled season, we might trade that pick for Fultz for PG help (imo Smart is best served as a 6th man like young Hondo on a dynasty team). We might end up with a Fultz/Brown/Tatum/Smart/Bamba core (think Yabu will be a nice glue guy at PF, similar to what Satch Sanders did for the 60s Celtics).
BELIEVE IN DANNY GUYS!!! 8)
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Post by: Granath on July 09, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
First post here. Obviously, competition outside of Summer League will be much tougher, but it doesn't change the fact that the ridiculously smooth moves and excellent shot creation will 100% translate to the NBA for Tatum.

He seems like at least an average defender, and I believe he'll be an offensive superstar. Never been this excited about a rookie in any sport (with Hackenberg on my Jets taking a close second).

I'm so glad we didn't trade Tatum and our future for a superstar. He IS a superstar, and we get to keep our future. We don't want to compete for 3-4 years, we want to be a Spurs-like DYNASTY. And Tatum will be an excellent building block. Not as high on Smart/Brown.

Welcome. Good first post.
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Post by: Celtics4ever on July 09, 2017, 10:26:46 AM
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He is NOT better than Brown, yet

If he can do what he does in SL and it won't be as good, he will be.  The question is can he do it against real NBA players?   I think signs are pointing to yes, and I think he will be better.  He seems more NBA ready than Brown who has played a year in the NBA.   Do you think Brown's trade value has went up or down after summer league?   Tatum's has went up I wager, he has outplayed Fultz and Ball.

 Tatum's handle is more reliable, his shot is more reliable.   We are not talking dribbling off his foot that Brown is better at.
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Post by: Bobshot on July 09, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
I'm with those who say Tatum is a stud with higher upside than Brown. The kid is mature beyond his years on the court, and can shoot, pass and rebound. Remarkable for his age.
Jaylen still needs to work on his shooting.

I would not be surprised if Tatum starts at the 4. He looks that good so far.
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Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2017, 11:01:56 AM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.

I'm extremely excited about Tatum, but realistically this was the deepest NBA draft in years, it's not clear that Tatum is the best of the top 10 picks let alone the top three.  There are more rookies having outstanding performances in SL this year than any year I can ever remember.  Even late first round picks and mid second round picks like Kyle Kuzma and Sindarius Thornwell are putting up 30 point games. 

To give an idea of how deep this draft was compared to last year, Ivan Rabb was projected as a top 10 pick last year and went 35th this year.   

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Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on July 09, 2017, 11:05:04 AM
I think Jaylen and Jayson have both proven they can be contributors on this years squad.

I know outside of Jaylen's opening performance he has been lackluster, but context is important.  I think the coaches were trying to use him as a playmaker more so far in SL because of his growth as a player.  He's in positions he hasn't been in before and just trying to get more exposure to ball handling.  He hasn't looked great with his handles (improved though) but that's part of the player growth.

Tatum has looked a lot more natural with the ball in his hands than Brown, but he also doesn't seem to be looking to create for others as much as he's looking for his own shot... I'm okay with that too.  I think it's easier to teach a player to create for others than it is to turn a distributor into a shot maker.
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Post by: Birdman on July 09, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
like I said after draft, theres was 2 players I wanted and felt like the 2 best players of the draft..Tatum and Fox
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Post by: aingeforthree on July 09, 2017, 01:05:04 PM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.

I'm extremely excited about Tatum, but realistically this was the deepest NBA draft in years, it's not clear that Tatum is the best of the top 10 picks let alone the top three.  There are more rookies having outstanding performances in SL this year than any year I can ever remember.  Even late first round picks and mid second round picks like Kyle Kuzma and Sindarius Thornwell are putting up 30 point games. 

To give an idea of how deep this draft was compared to last year, Ivan Rabb was projected as a top 10 pick last year and went 35th this year.

So what's the excuse for last year in college ? Because of the top prospects, I thought Tatum last year was the best of the bunch.

He's got it all. Still has to put in the work though, and it looks like he's the type to do just that.
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Post by: droopdog7 on July 09, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
Tatum is Paul pierce.  Jaylen might be Ron mercer.
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Post by: JHTruth on July 09, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.
Also, if that pick is in the 2-5 range and Fultz has a promising but injury riddled season, we might trade that pick for Fultz for PG help (imo Smart is best served as a 6th man like young Hondo on a dynasty team). We might end up with a Fultz/Brown/Tatum/Smart/Bamba core (think Yabu will be a nice glue guy at PF, similar to what Satch Sanders did for the 60s Celtics).
BELIEVE IN DANNY GUYS!!! 8)

Think Danny passed on Fultz because he has his eye on Doncic. I assume hell sign and trade IT for an elite big next summer..
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Post by: csfansince60s on July 09, 2017, 03:55:54 PM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have had the stones to trade down.

TP, but fixed it a little for you.
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 09, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
How often has there been a trade down from the #1 pick? I know red did it once.
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Post by: mqtcelticsfan on July 09, 2017, 04:06:02 PM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.
Also, if that pick is in the 2-5 range and Fultz has a promising but injury riddled season, we might trade that pick for Fultz for PG help (imo Smart is best served as a 6th man like young Hondo on a dynasty team). We might end up with a Fultz/Brown/Tatum/Smart/Bamba core (think Yabu will be a nice glue guy at PF, similar to what Satch Sanders did for the 60s Celtics).
BELIEVE IN DANNY GUYS!!! 8)

This is an impressively bad take.
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Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2017, 04:47:54 PM
Hopefully his 3 improves... If he can catch and shoot the 3 and add mass..

Really needs these two things to take his game to the next level

He has zero willingness whatsoever to shoot the three. Now, I trust that Brad will fix that, but that's the one thing that's holding him back from being a special scorer.

Naw.  You just haven't been watching.  He's 3/10 from three point range over the last four games.

I've watched every second of all four games, including one of them twice. Today, he was 1/1 on essentially a heave. He's turned down countless open looks, opting for contested twos instead. He's very clearly uncomfortable from everywhere but the corners.

Hey, you said he has 0 willingness to shoot the 3

I'm just pointing out he's averaging 2.5 attempts from 3 per game and is hitting at 33 percent.

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Post by: Big333223 on July 09, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Two things I've liked a lot:

1. He plays older but he still looks 19. Which means he's likely going to beef up a little, naturally, in the next year or two. He already has good size for the NBA, when he's fully grown, it'll be even better.

2. He's been finishing really well. The game winner against Philly and then a great second half against LA last night. He's a gamer. He shows up when it's important. I mean, it'll be important that he plays all 48 minutes but I'm optimistic that he's a guy who won't shy away from the big moment.
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Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 09, 2017, 05:15:00 PM
Two things I've liked a lot:

1. He plays older but he still looks 19. Which means he's likely going to beef up a little, naturally, in the next year or two. He already has good size for the NBA, when he's fully grown, it'll be even better.

2. He's been finishing really well. The game winner against Philly and then a great second half against LA last night. He's a gamer. He shows up when it's important. I mean, it'll be important that he plays all 48 minutes but I'm optimistic that he's a guy who won't shy away from the big moment.
Plugging him into our professional STRENGTH & CONDITIONING PROGRAM is huge especially at 19 when he is also physically maturing.
He has had to overcome a lack of explosiveness and has become extremely fundamental because of it. As his body grows so will his game...exponentially.
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Post by: cousytoheinsohn on July 09, 2017, 05:22:13 PM
He is already an NBA vet.

He has the dirk step back

Carmelos handle

Otto porters length

Should he start over Morris at PF? Because he can clearly rebound too.

I know I want a closing lineup of

IT
Hayward
Tatum
Morris
Horford.

All 5 are legitimate threats 1on 1

Best pick of Dannys career

I agree with you completely, RH. Good stuff.

It's also significantly redemptive as well: Danny's had some real lemons. Tatum will make us forget most if not all of those.

I've gotta believe Brad had quite a bit of input into this one, as well.

Together, they've done a really nice job of upgrading the squad, to say the least.

Now, with the acquisition of Baynes, all of the supposed holes have been plugged.

I say the Cs are good enough to push the Cavs to the brink where the outcome will be determined by coaching.

Guess who has the edge in that one. :)
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Post by: Surferdad on July 09, 2017, 05:36:00 PM
...
I've gotta believe Brad had quite a bit of input into this one, as well.

Together, they've done a really nice job of upgrading the squad, to say the least.

Now, with the acquisition of Baynes, all of the supposed holes have been plugged.

I say the Cs are good enough to push the Cavs to the brink where the outcome will be determined by coaching.

Guess who has the edge in that one. :)
Indeed.  Now the debate nationally (and of course among C's fans) will be Bos vs. Cle.  The other advantage the C's have is depth.  This is going to be a solid roster at least 10-deep.  Meanwhile, Cle is having trouble upgrading this off-season so LBJ is going to have to play lots of minutes, or perhaps sacrifice the regular season for the sake of rest for the playoffs, like they did last season.  I now am more confident in a repeat of EC best record.
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Post by: SparzWizard on July 09, 2017, 05:37:13 PM
...
I've gotta believe Brad had quite a bit of input into this one, as well.

Together, they've done a really nice job of upgrading the squad, to say the least.

Now, with the acquisition of Baynes, all of the supposed holes have been plugged.

I say the Cs are good enough to push the Cavs to the brink where the outcome will be determined by coaching.

Guess who has the edge in that one. :)
Indeed.  Now the debate nationally (and of course among C's fans) will be Bos vs. Cle.  The other advantage the C's have is depth.  This is going to be a solid roster at least 10-deep.  Meanwhile, Cle is having trouble upgrading this off-season so LBJ is going to have to play lots of minutes, or perhaps sacrifice the regular season for the sake of rest for the playoffs, like they did last season.  I now am more confident in a repeat of EC best record.

Coach LeBron vs Coach Stevens is going to be an interesting matchup.

So far Cavs picked up Jose Calderon. But I suspect they will try to land Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade.
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Post by: Surferdad on July 09, 2017, 05:41:10 PM
...
I've gotta believe Brad had quite a bit of input into this one, as well.

Together, they've done a really nice job of upgrading the squad, to say the least.

Now, with the acquisition of Baynes, all of the supposed holes have been plugged.

I say the Cs are good enough to push the Cavs to the brink where the outcome will be determined by coaching.

Guess who has the edge in that one. :)
Indeed.  Now the debate nationally (and of course among C's fans) will be Bos vs. Cle.  The other advantage the C's have is depth.  This is going to be a solid roster at least 10-deep.  Meanwhile, Cle is having trouble upgrading this off-season so LBJ is going to have to play lots of minutes, or perhaps sacrifice the regular season for the sake of rest for the playoffs, like they did last season.  I now am more confident in a repeat of EC best record.

Coach LeBron vs Coach Stevens is going to be an interesting matchup.

So far Cavs picked up Jose Calderon. But I suspect they will try to land Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade.
and there are major roadblocks in both cases (Melo no-trade clause and Wade expensive buyout).
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Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2017, 05:55:25 PM
How often has there been a trade down from the #1 pick? I know red did it once.

Someone in another thread before the draft posted about Webber and Joe Barry Carroll. He might have mentioned others but I don't remember which.
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Post by: Big333223 on July 09, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
How often has there been a trade down from the #1 pick? I know red did it once.

Someone in another thread before the draft posted about Webber and Joe Barry Carroll. He might have mentioned others but I don't remember which.
Here's a little history of trading the #1:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-trading-the-no-1-pick-in-the-nba-draft-works-out-a-brief-history/
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Post by: vjcsmoke on July 09, 2017, 07:07:53 PM
...
I've gotta believe Brad had quite a bit of input into this one, as well.

Together, they've done a really nice job of upgrading the squad, to say the least.

Now, with the acquisition of Baynes, all of the supposed holes have been plugged.

I say the Cs are good enough to push the Cavs to the brink where the outcome will be determined by coaching.

Guess who has the edge in that one. :)
Indeed.  Now the debate nationally (and of course among C's fans) will be Bos vs. Cle.  The other advantage the C's have is depth.  This is going to be a solid roster at least 10-deep.  Meanwhile, Cle is having trouble upgrading this off-season so LBJ is going to have to play lots of minutes, or perhaps sacrifice the regular season for the sake of rest for the playoffs, like they did last season.  I now am more confident in a repeat of EC best record.

Coach LeBron vs Coach Stevens is going to be an interesting matchup.

So far Cavs picked up Jose Calderon. But I suspect they will try to land Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade.
and there are major roadblocks in both cases (Melo no-trade clause and Wade expensive buyout).

If I were Melo I'd wave that NTC in a heartbeat to play with Harden and CP3.  Not to mention no state income tax in Texas!!!  To me that's more appealing destination for him than Cleveland.
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Post by: unclebay on July 09, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.
Also, if that pick is in the 2-5 range and Fultz has a promising but injury riddled season, we might trade that pick for Fultz for PG help (imo Smart is best served as a 6th man like young Hondo on a dynasty team). We might end up with a Fultz/Brown/Tatum/Smart/Bamba core (think Yabu will be a nice glue guy at PF, similar to what Satch Sanders did for the 60s Celtics).
BELIEVE IN DANNY GUYS!!! 8)

This is an impressively bad take.
Lol TP
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Post by: KGBirdBias on July 09, 2017, 07:19:52 PM
When Tatum adds 15 pounds to his frame and gets that mamba mentality, look out. He's just floating around the court right now. Once Smart, IT and Morris get in his head, he'll be a beast.
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Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2017, 07:27:52 PM
Here's Walter McCarty talking about coaching summer league and the comparison of Jayson Tatum to Paul Pierce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9AQac7Nwjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9AQac7Nwjw)
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Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2017, 07:29:15 PM
When Tatum adds 15 pounds to his frame and gets that mamba mentality, look out. He's just floating around the court right now. Once Smart, IT and Morris get in his head, he'll be a beast.

He's taken over and won 2 games in the second half... I think he's well on his way.
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Post by: GreenEnvy on July 09, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
I like what I'm seeing thus far. Really looking forward to seeing him after training camp with the team and then buying in to the Celtics way.

Kid could be a stud and I hope he and Jaylen push each other to be better.
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Post by: nickagneta on July 09, 2017, 08:27:16 PM
If Tatum can get 25-30 minutes a game does anyone else think he could be a ROY candidate? I do. I think he is that good and could be starting at PF by year's end
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Post by: Big333223 on July 09, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
If Tatum can get 25-30 minutes a game does anyone else think he could be a ROY candidate? I do. I think he is that good and could be starting at PF by year's end
It's going to be tough getting the minutes but he's as NBA ready as anyone else in the draft and looks terrific in summer league. Unfortunately, ROY usually goes to the guy who scores the most points regardless of impact on winning.

But he should be in the running.
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Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 09, 2017, 09:39:40 PM
If Tatum can get 25-30 minutes a game does anyone else think he could be a ROY candidate? I do. I think he is that good and could be starting at PF by year's end

Encouraged to see how high you are on Tatum.  Seems skilled enough to potentially start by year's end, but I wonder if strength and defense will limit him this season.
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Post by: ThaPreacher on July 09, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
We got a free first round pick to go with the best player in the draft.

My oh my.
danny got it.
how many gm's in the league and on this forum would have traded down.


I would have traded down.  With that said, I think Danny also wanted a chance a Dennis Smith.
Tatum is a great pick. I hope that he earns his minutes and gets a chance to contribute early.
What I like about Stevens is that he is not afraid to try line-up changes.  Tatum has a number of  go to moves.  Exciting times to be a Celtic fan and a NBA fan.
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 16, 2017, 03:12:54 PM
Fultz not playing D would have frustrated me . It kind of negates all the things he does on offense watching un drafted  guards blow by him
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Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 16, 2017, 04:32:05 PM
Hopefully Kyle Kuzma wasn't the right pick after all.

(https://i.redd.it/v66vlk4flw9z.png)
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Post by: jakeopp on July 17, 2017, 12:24:26 AM
This feels like a massive overreaction to some meaningless summer league games.

Melo's handle? Please... ::)
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Post by: aingeforthree on July 17, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
This feels like a massive overreaction to some meaningless summer league games.

Melo's handle? Please... ::)

Not sure on that, but at 19, he's got it all to be great. Just has to put in the work.

Like most Ainge draft picks, this kid is a bball junkie. He will put the work in.