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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Hawkeye199 on July 07, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
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Is anyone worried that the nets are going to get caldwell pope. This could have them winning more games. As in no number 1 pick.
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KCP shot under 40 percent for the pistons.
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Is anyone worried that the nets are going to get caldwell pope. This could have them winning more games. As in no number 1 pick.
Even if they did... Doesnt matter
Porter would have been worst
Mozgov does little to nothing. Booker is ok at the pf spot
Still a top 10 pick
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How many games is he going to win for them?
He averaged 14 points and shot 40% FG% / 35% 3PT%
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How many games is he going to win for them?
Ehh, 2-4.
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If you look at the 10 worst teams in the league from last year, almost all of them should be better. Philly should be a playoff team, Lakers will be better, Suns should improve, Twolves should be a playoff team, Sac is much improved. There will be some new teams such as the Pacers fighting for the worst team but Brooklyn should be right in the mix for the worst team.
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lol.
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They may be better than last years Nets team, but that doesn't matter. That team won't be in the lottery this year (2016-17 Nets)
They're competing against all the other teams THIS year, who have all improved much more than them. (I don't see them being better than 25 other teams)
It's all relative, so yes it is scary to see them add young talent, but the league as a whole will still kick their butt.
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Great addition but he's a good piece of a teams puzzle not a main attraction.
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The Nets were 0-18 in games Lopez missed over the past 2 seasons. I'm really not worried about KCP and Russell coming in. Even combined they're nowhere near Lopez's level.
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They could sign 12 KCP's and still suck. You are talking about adding a decent role player to a team with no stars.
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I would have been a lot more worried if they got Porter. KCP making big money still seems like a joke. People have been talking max - how is that even possible? That would be a worse deal than the Hardaway one.
KCP would need to make a Harden-like improvement( when he went from OKC to Houston) for it to make a real difference. I can't see that happening.
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Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!
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Memphis will be in the running also
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I really don't understand the love for Caldwell-Pope. He's a streaky shooter who plays pretty good defense. Complementary guy, and not worth anything near the max (though, granted, probably better than Tim Hardaway Jr.). Avery Bradley is a better player, and I don't think anyone believes AB would lift the Nets out of the basement.
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Is anyone worried that the nets are going to get caldwell pope. This could have them winning more games. As in no number 1 pick.
Even if they did... Doesnt matter
Porter would have been worst
Mozgov does little to nothing. Booker is ok at the pf spot
Still a top 10 pick
Triboy, your a great part of the Family around here. 400 to you
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Memphis will be in the running also
Unless Memphis trades Gasol and Conley, no, they won't be in the running.
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If you look at the 10 worst teams in the league from last year, almost all of them should be better. Philly should be a playoff team, Lakers will be better, Suns should improve, Twolves should be a playoff team, Sac is much improved. There will be some new teams such as the Pacers fighting for the worst team but Brooklyn should be right in the mix for the worst team.
The new teams are what I'd be worried about. With so many crappy eastern teams it wouldn't be shocking for brooklyn to win a few extra games despite being bad themselves. Also with Western crappy teams facing a more difficult Western conference there could be some really horrible records out west when all is said and done.
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Overreaction. Again and again and again.
Please... Looking at the title may worry someone.
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I would have been a lot more worried if they got Porter. KCP making big money still seems like a joke. People have been talking max - how is that even possible? That would be a worse deal than the Hardaway one.
KCP would need to make a Harden-like improvement( when he went from OKC to Houston) for it to make a real difference. I can't see that happening.
That is why we were trading Bradley, Hayward or no Hayward. If KCP makes max or near max money, AB is easily going to get paid as much as teams can possibly offer him.
And if players like KCP and AB are your max players, you are not competing for a championship.
For the Nets, it doesn't really help them much next season. KCP doesn't bring anything they don't have already in RHJ and Levert.
It hurts them long term though to invest such $$ in a player of such low caliber.
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Sorry, repeated post
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Detroit stunk with him, why would the Nets be any better.
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People need to chill the Nets are going to suck. Are they the worse team in the league I have no idea but they are at the bottom and staying there.
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The Nets were 0-18 in games Lopez missed over the past 2 seasons. I'm really not worried about KCP and Russell coming in. Even combined they're nowhere near Lopez's level.
tp
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Memphis will be in the running also
Unless Memphis trades Gasol and Conley, no, they won't be in the running.
We want Memphis in the running! Them being bad next year is great. Ideally, next year would look something like this:
1.) BK Nets
2.) LA Lakers
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11.) Memphis Grizzlies
Their pick is protected 1-8 in 2019 and 1-6 in 2020, then fully unprotected in 2021. If they trend bad this year (but not too bad), then they will slide the next few seasons and we have a shot at getting a top pick from them in 2021. Let's keep this train rolling son!
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How good do you think he is? lol. I mean they get a bit better but are still awful.
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THE SKY IS FALLING!
Good grief, half of this blog needs therapy...
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Right, just like it was ruined last year after the Nets started 4-5.
KCP isn't a major impact player who can significantly boost a team's win total, especially when the rest of the roster still sucks horribly such as in the Nets case.
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Teams we can essentially rule out as competition for Brooklyn's worst team status:
Boston
Toronto
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Detroit
Washington
Miami
Charlotte
Golden State
LA Clippers
San Antonio
Houston
Memphis
Utah
Oklahoma City
Portland
Denver
Minnesota
Teams that are highly unlikely to be as bad as Brooklyn:
New Orleans
Dallas
Philadelphia
That leaves us with the following teams:
New York - As dysfunctional as they might be, I find it hard to believe that a team with Porzingis and Carmelo are a worse team than Brooklyn.
Indiana - We'll see how the rest of the off-season plays out, but Oladipo and Turner don't seem like the makings of the worst team in the NBA.
Chicago - If they buy out Wade and LaVine isn't healthy, they're a legitimate contender for this spot.
Orlando - I'd definitely put Fournier, Gordon, Vucevic, Isaac ahead of Brooklyn.
Sacramento - Much improved. Some sneaky potential to fail if Randolph loses another step, but I highly doubt they are that awful.
LA Lakers - The Lakers with Lopez and Ball are almost certainly better than the Lakers with Russell, and some growth should be expected from Ingram.
Phoenix - Growth from Booker, Bender and Chriss, along with anything Jackson contributes should lead to a better Suns team, but I wouldn't rule them out.
Overall, I see really only 2 or 3 teams that seem to truly have a great shot at being worse than Brooklyn.
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Great list!
After looking at this I see only Indiana, Chicago (if they buy out Wade), and the Lakers as competition for worst team. Phoenix and Orlando just look, on appear, like they will slightly improve by a few games, and Brooklyn looks like they might actually be worse than last year.
Even if Brooklyn has the 4th worst record, combined with our Lakers ping pong balls that could bean the #2 and #4 picks in the 2018 draft.
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Well he didn't help Detroit win many.... So knowing the worst record only gets you a 25% I think you are OVER Reacting.
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Teams we can essentially rule out as competition for Brooklyn's worst team status:
Boston
Toronto
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Detroit
Washington
Miami
Charlotte
Golden State
LA Clippers
San Antonio
Houston
Memphis
Utah
Oklahoma City
Portland
Denver
Minnesota
Teams that are highly unlikely to be as bad as Brooklyn:
New Orleans
Dallas
Philadelphia
That leaves us with the following teams:
New York - As dysfunctional as they might be, I find it hard to believe that a team with Porzingis and Carmelo are a worse team than Brooklyn.
Indiana - We'll see how the rest of the off-season plays out, but Oladipo and Turner don't seem like the makings of the worst team in the NBA.
Chicago - If they buy out Wade and LaVine isn't healthy, they're a legitimate contender for this spot.
Orlando - I'd definitely put Fournier, Gordon, Vucevic, Isaac ahead of Brooklyn.
Sacramento - Much improved. Some sneaky potential to fail if Randolph loses another step, but I highly doubt they are that awful.
LA Lakers - The Lakers with Lopez and Ball are almost certainly better than the Lakers with Russell, and some growth should be expected from Ingram.
Phoenix - Growth from Booker, Bender and Chriss, along with anything Jackson contributes should lead to a better Suns team, but I wouldn't rule them out.
Overall, I see really only 2 or 3 teams that seem to truly have a great shot at being worse than Brooklyn.
Ummm....ATLANTA!!
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Some of these threads crack me up!! Brooklyn is going to yeild a top ten pick. That in itself is a success.
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This whole thread could be copy pasted into Official Nets watch no?
I was kinda proud of getting last years pick watch up to nearly 200 pages
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Some of these threads crack me up!! Brooklyn is going to yeild a top ten pick. That in itself is a success.
Some people are not happy unless they are complaining.
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I'm not at all concerned. They are still going to suck.
KCP won't move the needle a lot. Good complimentary player, but will he all of a sudden just be an all-star scorer? I doubt it.
D'Angelo Russell? You mean the guy who was SIXTH in Win Shares in LA last year?
Jeremy Lin?
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Losing Lopez' 20+ PPG and 1.7 BPG and inside pressence should cause major problems for the Nets. Yes, Russell and KCP might help their perimeter game both are more volume scorers and average 3 pt shooters. Don't see how this team hasn't regressed. I say 18-20 wins total for Brooklyn and a chance at another top pick for the Cs.
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Some of these threads crack me up!! Brooklyn is going to yeild a top ten pick. That in itself is a success.
Some people are not happy unless they are complaining.
Something about this time of year makes people dream very, very big ("should we take Doncic or Ayton number 1?" threads...). People have penciled in the Cs making the Finals and collecting the #1 and 2 picks next year from the Nets and Lakers. Which, I mean, I can't even. It'd be incredible - unbelievable - totally unprecedented. But also pretty unlikely. Just consider the lottery odds - we had a 60% chance of missing the #1 pick even when the Nets had the worst record.
Something like pick 5 next year and the Kings' late lottery the year after that sounds about middle of the distribution of likely outcomes. Not touching the Finals question yet... too early.
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This is the first year that I'm actually not super optimistic about the Nets pick. The last two years I expected top 5 picks, with the possibility for top 3.
This year I just don't have a handle on just how bad other teams are going to be. I know the Nets will be bottom ten for sure. I just don't have a good handle on whether it'll be more like 8 or 3.
Losing Lopez definitely hurts them. KCP probably helps a little. Healthy Jeremy Lin would help quite a bit. Overall, they still look like a bottom 5 team, but flukes can happen due to other teams tanking or dealing with injuries.
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I still see Brooklyn as an 18-26 win team, even with their new acquisitions. I think they could well win a couple more games than last season, but nothing significant.
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This is the first year that I'm actually not super optimistic about the Nets pick. The last two years I expected top 5 picks, with the possibility for top 3.
This year I just don't have a handle on just how bad other teams are going to be. I know the Nets will be bottom ten for sure. I just don't have a good handle on whether it'll be more like 8 or 3.
Losing Lopez definitely hurts them. KCP probably helps a little. Healthy Jeremy Lin would help quite a bit. Overall, they still look like a bottom 5 team, but flukes can happen due to other teams tanking or dealing with injuries.
Agree with this. It's hard to know what's going to happen to the bad teams out west who are just going to get murdered by the top 6-8 teams. Brooklyn is going to steal some games against weak eastern division opponents that take the night off mentally or, toward the end of the season, are tanking.
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Losing Lopez' 20+ PPG and 1.7 BPG and inside pressence should cause major problems for the Nets. Yes, Russell and KCP might help their perimeter game both are more volume scorers and average 3 pt shooters. Don't see how this team hasn't regressed. I say 18-20 wins total for Brooklyn and a chance at another top pick for the Cs.
They've certainly regressed or at the least, failed to improve.
However, more teams suck more this year. Chicago and Indiana seem worse to me than any other team did heading into last season.
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Every summer someone predicts a surprisingly good season that will destroy the pick... I think it was last summer when posters expected the nets to compete for the 8th playoff spot.....
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Agree that some teams tanking may harm our chances with the Nets and Lakers pick. Even so, this thread has no sense. KCP doesn't make you much better, and even so their best position was G or G-F with Lin-DLo-LeVert.
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Both nets and Lakers look like bottom 5 teams to me. Nets could frankly be worse than last year. Losing lopez will be a massive blow. He was the only decent player they had.
Lakers, it all depends on ball. If he collapses they could be worse than the nets.
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This thread title needs to be edited. They haven't even signed this guy at this stage. Step off the ledge and mentally toughen up would be my advice to some of you.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nets/nets-offer-to-otto-porter-hurts-potential-pursuit-of-kentavious-caldwell-pope-1.13787609
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Im not sure how the pick is ruined. Its not like we are in desperate need of that pick being top 2 or we will be stuck in no mans land forever. Would a chance a potential franchise level player in the top 4 help this team? Yes, but if I ended up with Wendell Carter at like 6 or 7 I would be happy with that.
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I am confident that they will be one of the three worst teams in the NBA along with the Bulls and the Hawks.
Kings, Suns, Pacers, Lakers, and Magic are all pretty bad too... but not as bad.
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I think with all of these teams getting much better this year there is a good chance that Lakers, Nets, etc have a good chance to be historically bad. The league got much more top heavy during this off season. There could be like 4 60 win teams this year which I think would be a record.
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This thread title needs to be edited. They haven't even signed this guy at this stage. Step off the ledge and mentally toughen up would be my advice to some of you.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nets/nets-offer-to-otto-porter-hurts-potential-pursuit-of-kentavious-caldwell-pope-1.13787609
You are asking for too much ;) TP