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Title: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 28, 2017, 12:24:55 AM
I thought in the coming days having a dedicated free agency rumors and signings thread would be easier for all of us, especially since I'm guessing most of us will be spending quite a bit of time on here this week.

Anyways, Stein is reporting that Chris Paul is now a "serious threat" to sign in Houston.

http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879912914617946112

http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879913133325729792

With both San Antonio and Houston being serious contenders for Paul's services this summer, that bodes well for our contingency plan of Griffin should Hayward not come.

It also would be good to have another legitimate threat to the Warriors in the West, either in an upgraded and healthy Spurs squad or a revamped Rockets team.
Title: Re: Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
https://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/880954715017695232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Futah-jazz

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/880953172482707456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Futah-jazz

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Specifically, hearing Ingles could have an offer in the 4-year, $60 million range from the Orlando Magic. If so, hard to see Utah matching.

Great news for us, especially if it happens early in the process. That'd be a hard one for Utah to match, and with Gordon already being shaky with Hill not coming back, he'd certainly be gone if they don't bring Ingles back.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880956597387882497

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Grizzlies veteran F Zach Randolph set to meet with teams tonight in Los Angeles. Interest coming from Kings, Thunder, Clippers.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: D Dub on June 30, 2017, 09:15:13 PM
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880956597387882497

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Grizzlies veteran F Zach Randolph set to meet with teams tonight in Los Angeles. Interest coming from Kings, Thunder, Clippers.

Nooo

I want Zach for cheap
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2017, 09:16:23 PM
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880955073274228740

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Andre Iguodala set to meet with Sacramento Kings tonight at the start of free agency as well as Spurs, per sources.

Lol at Iggy meeting with the Kings first. He must really be desperate for a pay raise. Probably an implicit threat to Golden State.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: D Dub on June 30, 2017, 09:17:54 PM
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880955073274228740

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Andre Iguodala set to meet with Sacramento Kings tonight at the start of free agency as well as Spurs, per sources.

Lol at Iggy meeting with the Kings first. He must really be desperate for a pay raise. Probably an implicit threat to Golden State.

He's worth at least 1/6 of the dubs money
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on June 30, 2017, 09:19:52 PM
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880955073274228740

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Andre Iguodala set to meet with Sacramento Kings tonight at the start of free agency as well as Spurs, per sources.

Lol at Iggy meeting with the Kings first. He must really be desperate for a pay raise. Probably an implicit threat to Golden State.

Iggy knows how to play. He's been around quite a while.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 30, 2017, 09:23:16 PM
Every year we hear that this will be the year that teams don't make foolish decisions in free agency, because they learned from last year and/or have no money.  Based on the rumored Jrue Holiday deal and the rumored Ingles offer, I feel that this year will be like all the others.
Title: Re: Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fantankerous on June 30, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
https://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/880954715017695232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Futah-jazz

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/880953172482707456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Futah-jazz

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Specifically, hearing Ingles could have an offer in the 4-year, $60 million range from the Orlando Magic. If so, hard to see Utah matching.

Great news for us, especially if it happens early in the process. That'd be a hard one for Utah to match, and with Gordon already being shaky with Hill not coming back, he'd certainly be gone if they don't bring Ingles back.

Wow.  TP.  That's a lot of money for Ingles.  I thought that new management would bring a new strategy for the Magic, but this seems to me to be Hennigan-esque.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 30, 2017, 09:28:55 PM
Blake 5-year max from Clippers, per Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on June 30, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/880944379745226753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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SportsCenter‏Verified account
@SportsCenter

The Wizards have offered John Wall a four-year contract extension, but he will take some time to consider the offer.

4 YEARS/170M  :o

And Jrue Holiday could get a 5/170M deal as early as tonight.

But Isaiah Thomas is not worth 28-30M/Year...  ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: crownontherocks on June 30, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.


https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872

Plan b might be gone
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on June 30, 2017, 09:33:59 PM
Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.


https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872

Plan b might be gone

He's gone, as @saltlover said above^^

5 year/173M max for him from Clippers.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on June 30, 2017, 09:34:37 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/880944379745226753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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SportsCenter‏Verified account
@SportsCenter

The Wizards have offered John Wall a four-year contract extension, but he will take some time to consider the offer.

4 YEARS/170M  :o

And Jrue Holiday could get a 5/170M deal as early as tonight.

But Isaiah Thomas is not worth 28-30M/Year...  ::)

That John Wall deal is a no-brainer for Washington. John's the best all around PG in the east.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872

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Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880960762000396292?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Flos-angeles-clippers

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Blake Griffin plans to reach agreement on a five-year, $173 million deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell The Vertical.


Wow, looks like Doc might've finally decided to give him the full 5+ year max.

Too bad, he would've been a nice back-up plan. Now it's Hayward or bust, pretty much, though perhaps a run at Milsap or Gallo might occur if Hayward is a no-go.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.


https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872

Plan b might be gone

He's gone, as @saltlover said above^^

5 year/173M max for him from Clippers.

And that basket's name is - Hayward...

(http://wwwcdn.writersdigest.com/wp-content/uploads/basket.JPG)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 30, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.


https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872

Plan b might be gone

He's gone, as @saltlover said above^^

5 year/173M max for him from Clippers.

Good news for the Clipper pick.  Should be able to be a back-end playoff team for a couple years.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on June 30, 2017, 09:38:34 PM
Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.


https://mobile.twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872

Plan b might be gone

He's gone, as @saltlover said above^^

5 year/173M max for him from Clippers.

Good news for the Clipper pick.  Should be able to be a back-end playoff team for a couple years.

Very true.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 30, 2017, 09:39:42 PM
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880955073274228740

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Andre Iguodala set to meet with Sacramento Kings tonight at the start of free agency as well as Spurs, per sources.

Lol at Iggy meeting with the Kings first. He must really be desperate for a pay raise. Probably an implicit threat to Golden State.

Iggy knows how to play. He's been around quite a while.

Also has a meeting with Houston.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on June 30, 2017, 09:40:11 PM
Good for Blake.

He's too good to be anybody's back up option. Injury history and all.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: crownontherocks on June 30, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
Paul George has been traded to OKC, per sources
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on June 30, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2719195-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-rockets-talks-involved-ryan-anderson

Apparently Houston offered Ryan Anderson for Carmelo Anthony.

Knicks "shot it down".
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 30, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Paul George has been traded to OKC, per sources

Beat me to it.  I really wonder for what.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on June 30, 2017, 09:47:16 PM
WOW! Paul George traded to OKC Thunder

Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account @ramonashelburne 17s18 seconds ago
Paul George has been traded to OKC, per sources

Oladipo and Sabonis headed to Indy
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on June 30, 2017, 09:47:30 PM
Paul George has been traded to OKC, per sources

Source is?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on June 30, 2017, 09:48:33 PM
WOW! Paul George traded to OKC Thunder

Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account @ramonashelburne 17s18 seconds ago
Paul George has been traded to OKC, per sources

Oladipo and Sabonis headed to Indy

That is absurd that we didn't beat that offer.

So no Griffin, no George , and we haven't even hit midnight.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on June 30, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
I told you guys. We're resigning Olynyk and packing it in.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on June 30, 2017, 09:58:04 PM
How is Joe Ingles how's like 29 years old and had one good year, getting a contract for 4 years 60 million?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2017, 10:20:54 PM
So with Griffin and George now gone as options, could we trade for Melo as our 4 after signing Hayward? I'm not sure how we'd get enough salary to make it work, though.

I also heard Windhorst say today that Porzingis was still quietly available, but I still doubt his cost is low enough to justify it.

Whatever the case, we're now needing a new plan for a starting 4 next year. I'm not sure where it's going to come from either.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Fan from VT on June 30, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
So with Griffin and George now gone as options, could we trade for Melo as our 4 after signing Hayward? I'm not sure how we'd get enough salary to make it work, though.

I also heard Windhorst say today that Porzingis was still quietly available, but I still doubt his cost is low enough to justify it.

Whatever the case, we're now needing a new plan for a starting 4 next year. I'm not sure where it's going to come from either.

I doubt porzingis is available now that Jackson was fired.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on June 30, 2017, 11:56:05 PM
4 minutes until Free Agency begins!!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:00:18 AM
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/880992026023436288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba

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Source confirms that Nene has agreed to four-year, $15 million deal to return to the Rockets, as first reported by Houston Chronicle.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/880991523759947776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba

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League sources indicate that the Warriors and Stephen Curry are on course to strike their five-year, $201 mil "supermax" deal after midnight

That's a lot of dough.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GetLucky on July 01, 2017, 12:01:40 AM
Teague is going to Minnesota

EDIT: 3 years, $57 million, per @Wojespn

https://twitter.com/wojespn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 12:02:07 AM
Big one:

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Free agent Patty Mills has agreed to a 4-year, $50M deal to stay with San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN. espn.com/espn/now?nowId…

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/880999728258793472
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:02:27 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880999412704653314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Findiana-pacers

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Jeff Teague has agreed to a three-year, $57M deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell The Vertical. 3rd-year player option.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:03:43 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880999591314944001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fchicago-bulls

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Chicago RFA Cristiano Felicio has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal to re-sign with the Bulls, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 01, 2017, 12:04:18 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/880991523759947776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba

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League sources indicate that the Warriors and Stephen Curry are on course to strike their five-year, $201 mil "supermax" deal after midnight

That's a lot of dough.

He played on a joke of a contract he last couple years. Not that anyone deserves that much money, but he played at a discount compared to what he was actually worth.

If they do sign him to that, I don't see how they can sign Iggy AND give Durant anything close to the max.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:07:18 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/880999467385667584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fmilwaukee-bucks

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Sources: Tony Snell has agreed to 4-year, $46M deal -- $44M guaranteed -- to return to Milwaukee. Player option... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672652326451811732-4 …
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 12:08:47 AM
Minnesota and Denver favorites to grab Millsap, according to Isola.

Man if Minnesota grab Millsap too... Watch out  :o

Sacramento and Phoenix still in the mix. Phoenix will go hard after him after Griffin decided to stay.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/881002060321177600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fgolden-state-warriors

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Golden State, Shaun Livingston reach agreement on 3-years, $24 million, league sources tell ESPN.

Geeze, that seems like a pretty big steal for them. Wasn't he projected to command much more money outside of GS?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 12:14:54 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/881002060321177600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fgolden-state-warriors

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Golden State, Shaun Livingston reach agreement on 3-years, $24 million, league sources tell ESPN.

Geeze, that seems like a pretty big steal for them. Wasn't he projected to command much more money outside of GS?

DANG. Probably but I guess he values winning a lot more.

I think Iggy is gone to be honest though.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:16:04 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881001835296960513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba

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Sources: The NBA has set salary cap for 2017-18 season, effective July 1: $99,093,000.

No help with the cap projection going up, not that it matters quite as much now.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Smitty77 on July 01, 2017, 12:23:05 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/880999467385667584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fmilwaukee-bucks

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Sources: Tony Snell has agreed to 4-year, $46M deal -- $44M guaranteed -- to return to Milwaukee. Player option... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672652326451811732-4 …

WOW!!!!  He had a 9.7 PER for the year!!!  Remember, that an AVERAGE player has a 15 PER!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 12:26:49 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881001835296960513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba

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Sources: The NBA has set salary cap for 2017-18 season, effective July 1: $99,093,000.

No help with the cap projection going up, not that it matters quite as much now.

It reduces the amount we're short of the max by trading Jackson and Rozier by about $65K, making a haircut asked of Hayward is just a little smaller.  It could matter.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:33:37 AM
All quiet on the Boston front for now.

Even with Hayward as our primary target and not scheduled to meet him until Sunday, I still would've figured that we'd be hearing some other leaks from Boston.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 12:35:43 AM
All quiet on the Boston front for now.

Even with Hayward as our primary target and not scheduled to meet him until Sunday, I still would've figured that we'd be hearing some other leaks from Boston.

I'd prefer silence rather than something like "Celtics emerging as clear favorites for Rudy Gay" or "Celtics are keeping Olynyk at 4 years/70M"  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 12:44:33 AM
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/881009032106061824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba

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Third year of Shaun Livingston's deal is partially guaranteed, source says. Deal structure appears to be: $8M, $8M, $2M guaranteed

Good Lord, Livingston likes his rings! I think he could've easily managed double that over at least 3 or 4 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 12:49:37 AM
Nene back to Houston for 4 years, $15 million.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: colincb on July 01, 2017, 01:19:51 AM
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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 15s15 seconds ago

The Lakers spoke with free agents Andre Iguodala and Rajon Rondo tonight, league sources tell @espn.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 01:21:14 AM
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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 15s15 seconds ago

The Lakers spoke with free agents Andre Iguodala and Rajon Rondo tonight, league sources tell @espn.

Oh God, Rondo and Ball would be hilarious together.

But I'm guessing LA will only be offering one year deals to keep space open for next summer, right?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 01, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 01, 2017, 01:23:47 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 01, 2017, 01:26:47 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 01, 2017, 01:29:41 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.

Exactly.

None of these agreements won't be signed until July 7th anyway, so go ahead and talk to players. They know what's up, and they know what we can offer without killing our cap room for our plans.

You can't just do nothing.

Danny, if you're reading this, Andrew Bogut. Call him. NOW! Give him the Room Exception.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 01, 2017, 01:31:45 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.
I mean obviously you can talk to guys but you can't make any commitments to anyone and that hurts your ability to have substantive discussions.

I.e. Nothing that will get reported.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 01, 2017, 01:39:07 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.
I mean obviously you can talk to guys but you can't make any commitments to anyone and that hurts your ability to have substantive discussions.

I.e. Nothing that will get reported.

There's a whole market for this. Have you looked at ESPN today?

Ainge just leaked his PG trade "proposal" from the deadline. Kaufman would've tweeted it, with the full Bulpett article about Ainge's midnight calls in the Boston Herald tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 01, 2017, 01:41:57 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.
I mean obviously you can talk to guys but you can't make any commitments to anyone and that hurts your ability to have substantive discussions.

I.e. Nothing that will get reported.

There's a whole market for this. Have you looked at ESPN today?

Ainge just leaked his PG trade "proposal" from the deadline. Kaufman would've tweeted it, with the full Bulpett article about Ainge's midnight calls in the Boston Herald tomorrow.
That's a good point I suppose. I think it was reported that Ainge called Isaiah at midnight a few years ago even though he never really seemed likely to sign him.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 02:02:06 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.
I mean obviously you can talk to guys but you can't make any commitments to anyone and that hurts your ability to have substantive discussions.

I.e. Nothing that will get reported.

There's a whole market for this. Have you looked at ESPN today?

Ainge just leaked his PG trade "proposal" from the deadline. Kaufman would've tweeted it, with the full Bulpett article about Ainge's midnight calls in the Boston Herald tomorrow.
That's a good point I suppose. I think it was reported that Ainge called Isaiah at midnight a few years ago even though he never really seemed likely to sign him.
They also called Hayward that night, just to say hello.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 02:04:25 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.

Exactly.

None of these agreements won't be signed until July 7th anyway, so go ahead and talk to players. They know what's up, and they know what we can offer without killing our cap room for our plans.

You can't just do nothing.

Danny, if you're reading this, Andrew Bogut. Call him. NOW! Give him the Room Exception.
room exception? He isn't even worth the minimum. The guy was a cavalier for literally 70 seconds before going down in season ending injury. He's a joke
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 02:06:20 AM
Woj says derrick rose was hoping to go to Minnesota to reunite with thibs but wolves went in a diff direction with Teague lol
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 01, 2017, 02:11:03 AM
Woj says derrick rose was hoping to go to Minnesota to reunite with thibs but wolves went in a diff direction with Teague lol

I'm surprised the Wolves didn't make a run at Kyle Lowry. That seems like a better fit to me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 02:20:39 AM
Woj says derrick rose was hoping to go to Minnesota to reunite with thibs but wolves went in a diff direction with Teague lol

I'm surprised the Wolves didn't make a run at Kyle Lowry. That seems like a better fit to me.
True


Wolves making run for Millsap too

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/880996542328565760
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 01, 2017, 02:34:10 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.

Exactly.

None of these agreements won't be signed until July 7th anyway, so go ahead and talk to players. They know what's up, and they know what we can offer without killing our cap room for our plans.

You can't just do nothing.

Danny, if you're reading this, Andrew Bogut. Call him. NOW! Give him the Room Exception.
room exception? He isn't even worth the minimum. The guy was a cavalier for literally 70 seconds before going down in season ending injury. He's a joke

Yeah. The DPOY this year credits him for teaching him a lot.

We have a young Center coming in, why not have a mentor as good as Bogut to teach him the ropes, and be a solid Center option at the same time? I mean, we need a big.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 02:36:58 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.

Exactly.

None of these agreements won't be signed until July 7th anyway, so go ahead and talk to players. They know what's up, and they know what we can offer without killing our cap room for our plans.

You can't just do nothing.

Danny, if you're reading this, Andrew Bogut. Call him. NOW! Give him the Room Exception.
room exception? He isn't even worth the minimum. The guy was a cavalier for literally 70 seconds before going down in season ending injury. He's a joke

Yeah. The DPOY this year credits him for teaching him a lot.

We have a young Center coming in, why not have a mentor as good as Bogut to teach him the ropes, and be a solid Center option at the same time? I mean, we need a big.
the minimum. I'd prefer to use exceptions on a 4 like jamychael green
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 01, 2017, 02:44:51 AM
So, are the Celtics doing anything or is it just Hayward or bust at this point?
Don't think we can do much of anything before Hayward makes a decision.

Bull.

You can talk to guys. Hayward's not a lock, make in roads with other players in case he doesn't commit.

Exactly.

None of these agreements won't be signed until July 7th anyway, so go ahead and talk to players. They know what's up, and they know what we can offer without killing our cap room for our plans.

You can't just do nothing.

Danny, if you're reading this, Andrew Bogut. Call him. NOW! Give him the Room Exception.
room exception? He isn't even worth the minimum. The guy was a cavalier for literally 70 seconds before going down in season ending injury. He's a joke

Yeah. The DPOY this year credits him for teaching him a lot.

We have a young Center coming in, why not have a mentor as good as Bogut to teach him the ropes, and be a solid Center option at the same time? I mean, we need a big.
I mean Avery Bradley said KG taught him a lot but I'm not tryna being KG in under the room exception.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nickagneta on July 01, 2017, 03:01:09 AM
Enough with the JaMychal Green talk. Seen a few people mentioning him for quite some time. He is a restricted free agent that Memphis will match in a New York second. He isn't worth the time to discuss.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 03:05:35 AM
Enough with the JaMychal Green talk. Seen a few people mentioning him for quite some time. He is a restricted free agent that Memphis will match in a New York second. He isn't worth the time to discuss.
what about speights
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nickagneta on July 01, 2017, 03:16:14 AM
Enough with the JaMychal Green talk. Seen a few people mentioning him for quite some time. He is a restricted free agent that Memphis will match in a New York second. He isn't worth the time to discuss.
what about speights
Speights at the vet min is a good get. He definitely fills a role, though he has his issues too. He is a major black hole. But when on, you can feed him and have a positive bench contributor.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 03:27:15 AM
Brad Turner‏Verified account @BA_Turner 11h11 hours ago
JJ Redick interested in joining Rockets if finances can work, per source. He still looking at 76ers, Nets for between $16-$18 million a year
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 01, 2017, 06:32:27 AM
Enough with the JaMychal Green talk. Seen a few people mentioning him for quite some time. He is a restricted free agent that Memphis will match in a New York second. He isn't worth the time to discuss.
what about speights
Speights at the vet min is a good get. He definitely fills a role, though he has his issues too. He is a major black hole. But when on, you can feed him and have a positive bench contributor.
I'm ok with Speights, but Bogut just seems like a waste.  Guy is washed up.  In any case, a vet big is not #1 priority today, I don't think we'll hear about that until after Hayward decision.  Decks are cleared for that.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: LilRip on July 01, 2017, 06:49:05 AM
Woj says derrick rose was hoping to go to Minnesota to reunite with thibs but wolves went in a diff direction with Teague lol

I'm surprised the Wolves didn't make a run at Kyle Lowry. That seems like a better fit to me.
True


Wolves making run for Millsap too

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/880996542328565760

I'm guessing it's a salary cap thing. Teague didn't get the max whereas a player like Lowry might command it. I think the Wolves would rather have Teague-Millsap than just Lowry. Man, imagine that lineup:

Teague-Butler-Wiggins-Millsap-KAT

The wolves are looking good! I'd root for them.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: dreamgreen on July 01, 2017, 07:52:00 AM
Woj says derrick rose was hoping to go to Minnesota to reunite with thibs but wolves went in a diff direction with Teague lol

I'm surprised the Wolves didn't make a run at Kyle Lowry. That seems like a better fit to me.
True


Wolves making run for Millsap too

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/880996542328565760

I'm guessing it's a salary cap thing. Teague didn't get the max whereas a player like Lowry might command it. I think the Wolves would rather have Teague-Millsap than just Lowry. Man, imagine that lineup:

Teague-Butler-Wiggins-Millsap-KAT

The wolves are looking good! I'd root for them.

Yea I kind of like that team. Be fun to see a new playoff team rise out of the west.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 01, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
So Lowry and Millsap are next, right?  If they go to the West too, it's just 2 more reasons the C's will be in even better position in the East, at least.  Haven't heard much from Washington, Toronto, Atlanta, Cleveland...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 08:17:50 AM
So Lowry and Millsap are next, right?  If they go to the West too, it's just 2 more reasons the C's will be in even better position in the East, at least.  Haven't heard much from Washington, Toronto, Atlanta, Cleveland...

Lowry and Porter both had meetings with their current teams of Toronto and Washington last night.  I'd expect the status quo there, mostly.  The Raptors are rumored to be looking into moving Valanciunas so they can keep Ibaka and move him to the 5.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: obnoxiousmime on July 01, 2017, 08:19:29 AM
Woj says derrick rose was hoping to go to Minnesota to reunite with thibs but wolves went in a diff direction with Teague lol

I'm surprised the Wolves didn't make a run at Kyle Lowry. That seems like a better fit to me.
True


Wolves making run for Millsap too

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/880996542328565760

I'm guessing it's a salary cap thing. Teague didn't get the max whereas a player like Lowry might command it. I think the Wolves would rather have Teague-Millsap than just Lowry. Man, imagine that lineup:

Teague-Butler-Wiggins-Millsap-KAT

The wolves are looking good! I'd root for them.

Teague is also two years younger than Lowry.

Unless they clear more space Millsap would have to take a discount to join Minnesota. They have about 15 million free now, according to ESPN.

I know everybody is excited about this team but I will hold my breath a little. Teague, Butler, Wiggins, are all not really great 3 pt. shooters. Butler will help their D a little, but he doesn't help Towns, Wiggins, or Teague become good defenders all of a sudden. I would have rather they find shooters and tough defenders to surround Towns with, but I understand those guys are hard to find.

Anyway, this is just a temporary move for these next two years. The key for the Wolves is still Towns' development. What the trade does is make the Wolves legitimate, after which it will be easier for them to attract stars in the future.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 01, 2017, 08:20:23 AM
So Lowry and Millsap are next, right?  If they go to the West too, it's just 2 more reasons the C's will be in even better position in the East, at least.  Haven't heard much from Washington, Toronto, Atlanta, Cleveland...

Lowry and Porter both had meetings with their current teams of Toronto and Washington last night.  I'd expect the status quo there, mostly.  The Raptors are rumored to be looking into moving Valanciunas so they can keep Ibaka and move him to the 5.
Boy Valenciunas in Brad's system next to Horford would be real nice...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: iadera on July 01, 2017, 08:32:26 AM
So Lowry and Millsap are next, right?  If they go to the West too, it's just 2 more reasons the C's will be in even better position in the East, at least.  Haven't heard much from Washington, Toronto, Atlanta, Cleveland...

Lowry and Porter both had meetings with their current teams of Toronto and Washington last night.  I'd expect the status quo there, mostly.  The Raptors are rumored to be looking into moving Valanciunas so they can keep Ibaka and move him to the 5.
Boy Valenciunas in Brad's system next to Horford would be real nice...

Valenciunas is an average and slow center. Believe me, Zizic is what we need most. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 03:43:52 PM
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Andre Iguodala has canceled the remainder of his free agency meetings, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/881235854374653953

Safe to say he's reached a decision.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 03:46:34 PM
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Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 03:56:18 PM
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Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
I'm assuming for something non guaranteed to create some extra cap space?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
Nene back to Houston for 4 years, $15 million.

Update.  Nene and Houston's deal has fallen apart.  He's someone I'd love for the room exception.

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Sources: Nene, Rockets unable to finalize an agreement on his contract. He has reentered free agency.
10:01 AM - 1 Jul 2017
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 03:58:49 PM
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Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
I'm assuming for something non guaranteed to create some extra cap space?

Most likely either cash or a somewhat protected second-rounder.  Figure out how much Houston has left in non-guaranteeds they can trade, multiply that by 50%, and that's your deal.  (At least that's my guess.)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: ashanm10 on July 01, 2017, 04:00:00 PM
Nene back to Houston for 4 years, $15 million.

Update.  Nene and Houston's deal has fallen apart.  He's someone I'd love for the room exception.

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Sources: Nene, Rockets unable to finalize an agreement on his contract. He has reentered free agency.
10:01 AM - 1 Jul 2017

loved him for years! hes great for us!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on July 01, 2017, 04:06:38 PM
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Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
I'm assuming for something non guaranteed to create some extra cap space?

Most likely either cash or a somewhat protected second-rounder.  Figure out how much Houston has left in non-guaranteeds they can trade, multiply that by 50%, and that's your deal.  (At least that's my guess.)

Why wouldn't Houston just waive the non-guaranteed contracts and sign Johnson.  Is there a cap space trick involved?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
JJ Redick just tweeted "Trust the Process," so he's off to Philly.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
JJ Redick just tweeted "Trust the Process," so he's off to Philly. He's played for 49 different teams
hes kind of fools gold. PlAyed for 100 diff teams
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 04:09:24 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
Quote
Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
I'm assuming for something non guaranteed to create some extra cap space?

Most likely either cash or a somewhat protected second-rounder.  Figure out how much Houston has left in non-guaranteeds they can trade, multiply that by 50%, and that's your deal.  (At least that's my guess.)

Why wouldn't Houston just waive the non-guaranteed contracts and sign Johnson.  Is there a cap space trick involved?

Yes.  Houston is over the cap at this point.  Give the amount they're over the cap, they can take back 50% +100k of the salaries they send out.  (Twitter also thinks they have an $11 million trade exception, but I don't see how they got that unless I missed a trade yesterday or this morning.  They didn't have it Thursday.)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 01, 2017, 04:15:31 PM
Congrats to Reddick. Awesome payout
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on July 01, 2017, 04:16:38 PM
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Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
I'm assuming for something non guaranteed to create some extra cap space?

Most likely either cash or a somewhat protected second-rounder.  Figure out how much Houston has left in non-guaranteeds they can trade, multiply that by 50%, and that's your deal.  (At least that's my guess.)

Why wouldn't Houston just waive the non-guaranteed contracts and sign Johnson.  Is there a cap space trick involved?

Yes.  Houston is over the cap at this point.  Give the amount they're over the cap, they can take back 50% +100k of the salaries they send out.  (Twitter also thinks they have an $11 million trade exception, but I don't see how they got that unless I missed a trade yesterday or this morning.  They didn't have it Thursday.)

Not sure that Houston has anyone left after the Chris Paul trade.  I just hope that the Celtics aren't trading for Ryan Anderson.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 01, 2017, 04:17:45 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

Fultz and Redick is a nice backcourt. 

A lot of shooting. Ball-handling. Passing. Good complement to Simmons and Embiid.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PhoSita on July 01, 2017, 04:18:17 PM
I give the sixers 35 wins next year at most.

People need to remember that they'll be handing over their offense to two rookies and a big man who has played half a season.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 04:18:25 PM
Quote
Hearing there's a chance a sign-and-trade could be a possibility with Amir Johnson.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/881237350025711620
I'm assuming for something non guaranteed to create some extra cap space?

Most likely either cash or a somewhat protected second-rounder.  Figure out how much Houston has left in non-guaranteeds they can trade, multiply that by 50%, and that's your deal.  (At least that's my guess.)

Why wouldn't Houston just waive the non-guaranteed contracts and sign Johnson.  Is there a cap space trick involved?

Yes.  Houston is over the cap at this point.  Give the amount they're over the cap, they can take back 50% +100k of the salaries they send out.  (Twitter also thinks they have an $11 million trade exception, but I don't see how they got that unless I missed a trade yesterday or this morning.  They didn't have it Thursday.)
Based off the below site, I got roughly 7 mil in non guaranteed contracts. So roughly 10.5 million-sih?

http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/teams/houston-rockets

Edit: Didn't realize one of those guys isn't on the team anymore. So closer to 5.5 mil in non guaranteed deals so roughly 8 mil
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: footey on July 01, 2017, 04:19:01 PM
Read Cs working on a sign and trade for Amir. ??
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 01, 2017, 04:31:38 PM
I give the sixers 35 wins next year at most.

People need to remember that they'll be handing over their offense to two rookies and a big man who has played half a season.
They won 28 games last season without Simmons, Fultz and Redick. Embiid only played 31 games.  Their starting PG was McConnell a 2nd year undrafted player. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Granath on July 01, 2017, 04:46:43 PM
I give the sixers 35 wins next year at most.

People need to remember that they'll be handing over their offense to two rookies and a big man who has played half a season.
They won 28 games last season without Simmons, Fultz and Redick. Embiid only played 31 games.  Their starting PG was McConnell a 2nd year undrafted player.

*shrug*

Pho's probably right. The Timberwolves won 31 games last year with KAT, Wiggins, Levine (47 games) and Dunn. It's tough to win in the NBA with very young players. Philly's biggest advantage is that they play in the weaker East.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/01/warriors-to-meet-with-andre-iguodala-offer-him-a-three-year-deal/

Sounds like Iggy is headed back to Golden State.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on July 01, 2017, 04:51:22 PM
Holy cow, Reddick got 23 million for one year. Let's just wait one more week and let all the teams run out of cap space then lowball players.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2017, 04:54:47 PM
Holy cow, Reddick got 23 million for one year. Let's just wait one more week and let all the teams run out of cap space then lowball players.

The problem is that all the good players will be gone.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 01, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
So far Reddick and Holiday are the biggest surprises to me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 01, 2017, 05:15:44 PM
I give the sixers 35 wins next year at most.

People need to remember that they'll be handing over their offense to two rookies and a big man who has played half a season.
They won 28 games last season without Simmons, Fultz and Redick. Embiid only played 31 games.  Their starting PG was McConnell a 2nd year undrafted player.

*shrug*

Pho's probably right. The Timberwolves won 31 games last year with KAT, Wiggins, Levine (47 games) and Dunn. It's tough to win in the NBA with very young players. Philly's biggest advantage is that they play in the weaker East.
It is tough to win in the NBA with players who don't play defense.  The Sixers biggest advantage is Embiid.  If he stays healthy, the Sixers should be a top 10 defense and should make the playoffs. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: JOMVP on July 01, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/01/warriors-to-meet-with-andre-iguodala-offer-him-a-three-year-deal/

Sounds like Iggy is headed back to Golden State.

Wow. People thought it was impossible they bring back Iggy and Livingston and then resign Durant. All 3 must be taking pay cuts of some sort.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 05:29:50 PM
So far Reddick and Holiday are the biggest surprises to me.
The Holiday contract is bonkers.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/01/warriors-to-meet-with-andre-iguodala-offer-him-a-three-year-deal/

Sounds like Iggy is headed back to Golden State.

Wow. People thought it was impossible they bring back Iggy and Livingston and then resign Durant. All 3 must be taking pay cuts of some sort.

It was impossible to sign those guys and sign Durant to a full max. Instead, they'll sign Durant to a 1 + 1 deal using non-Bird rights, costing him about $3 million this year. Then he'll get a full max next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/01/warriors-to-meet-with-andre-iguodala-offer-him-a-three-year-deal/

Sounds like Iggy is headed back to Golden State.

Wow. People thought it was impossible they bring back Iggy and Livingston and then resign Durant. All 3 must be taking pay cuts of some sort.
With Curry taking the supermax, it might be really hard to keep that core 4 together for more than 1-2 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 01, 2017, 05:32:17 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

sorry, I'm still scraping my jaw off the floor.

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 01, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

sorry, I'm still scraping my jaw off the floor.

Remember they made a comparable offer to Ginobili last offseason. 1 year big $ deals are perfect for using their cap space while keeping future flexibility.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 01, 2017, 05:38:46 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

sorry, I'm still scraping my jaw off the floor.

Remember they made a comparable offer to Ginobili last offseason. 1 year big $ deals are perfect for using their cap space while keeping future flexibility.

JJ is also a pretty perfect fit on the floor and in the locker room.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 01, 2017, 05:40:35 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

sorry, I'm still scraping my jaw off the floor.

Remember they made a comparable offer to Ginobili last offseason. 1 year big $ deals are perfect for using their cap space while keeping future flexibility.

JJ is also a pretty perfect fit on the floor and in the locker room.

Yea I love that signing for the Sixers. Basically if he is awful for them, then he is gone next year. His fit next to them looks great though.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 01, 2017, 05:40:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880999591314944001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fchicago-bulls

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Chicago RFA Cristiano Felicio has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal to re-sign with the Bulls, league sources tell The Vertical.

What a waste of money. Guy is a minimum contract player.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 01, 2017, 05:42:03 PM
Minnesota and Denver favorites to grab Millsap, according to Isola.

Man if Minnesota grab Millsap too... Watch out  :o

Sacramento and Phoenix still in the mix. Phoenix will go hard after him after Griffin decided to stay.

Millsap and Jokic would be an incredible big man pairing. I hope that happens.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2017, 05:46:40 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

sorry, I'm still scraping my jaw off the floor.
That's right. In this league Oladipo has a fine contract. Avery Bradley might make $26. KO might make $21
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 01, 2017, 05:49:23 PM
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JJ Redick has agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881243180880076803

sorry, I'm still scraping my jaw off the floor.

Remember they made a comparable offer to Ginobili last offseason. 1 year big $ deals are perfect for using their cap space while keeping future flexibility.

JJ is also a pretty perfect fit on the floor and in the locker room.

Agreed. $23 mill may seem like "too much" on paper but it makes perfect sense when you have to spend the money anyway and Redick fits so well into the team's needs.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 06:03:13 PM
Tall Money is gone:

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Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881271833416183808

$35M for Amir throughout his 3 years with us and the Sixers. Not bad!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 06:06:10 PM
Tall Money is gone:

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Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881271833416183808

$35M for Amir throughout his 3 years with us and the Sixers. Not bad!
I like what Philly has done with Reddick/Johnson. Great vets for a very young team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 06:07:22 PM
Tall Money is gone:

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Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881271833416183808

$35M for Amir throughout his 3 years with us and the Sixers. Not bad!
I like what Philly has done with Reddick/Johnson. Great vets for a very young team.

Yep. Between Fultz, bringing in solid vets, and presumably renegotiating and extending Covington, they've had one heck of an offseason.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 06:09:39 PM
Tall Money is gone:

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Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881271833416183808

$35M for Amir throughout his 3 years with us and the Sixers. Not bad!
I like what Philly has done with Reddick/Johnson. Great vets for a very young team.

Yep. Between Fultz, bringing in solid vets, and presumably renegotiating and extending Covington, they've had one heck of an offseason.
Now all they have to do is figure out how to make Embiid injury proof so he can play more than 31 games...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 06:10:53 PM
Tall Money is gone:

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Free agent Amir Johnson has agreed to a one-year, $11M deal with Philadelphia, agent Kevin Bradbury tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881271833416183808

$35M for Amir throughout his 3 years with us and the Sixers. Not bad!
I like what Philly has done with Reddick/Johnson. Great vets for a very young team.

Yep. Between Fultz, bringing in solid vets, and presumably renegotiating and extending Covington, they've had one heck of an offseason.
Now all they have to do is figure out how to make Embiid injury proof so he can play more than 31 games...

If they do, I think they're a playoff team in this embarrassing East.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: ashanm10 on July 01, 2017, 06:12:41 PM
So how is our capspace now ^^?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 06:19:05 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.
Honest truth is I think the Hornets will be sneaky good this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 01, 2017, 06:25:21 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.
Honest truth is I think the Hornets will be sneaky good this season.


Sure they could win 35-40 games and be the 6-8 seed in the east.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.
Honest truth is I think the Hornets will be sneaky good this season.


Sure they could win 35-40 games and be the 6-8 seed in the east.

This.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 01, 2017, 06:31:31 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.
Honest truth is I think the Hornets will be sneaky good this season.


Sure they could win 35-40 games and be the 6-8 seed in the east.
They won 36 games last year. I think they improved this offseason. They could be a 40-45 win team this year in the East this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 06:38:22 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2017, 06:42:48 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881275959101599744

Nene talking to other teams now after his Houston deal fell through. I would love to nab him for a big off of our bench. Can he work off the bench with someone like Zizic?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Dino Pitino on July 01, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

If we miss out on Hayward, Millsap is the only real impact free agent left, so I would hope so.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jambr380 on July 01, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
I would love Millsap on like a two year deal, buy Denver likely to do better than that. I can't imagine Danny ties up long term max money in an aging Millsap, but he certainly should invest short term max-ish money in him if Hayward falls through and Millsap is interested.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on July 01, 2017, 07:16:01 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.

I care, MCW should fire his agent.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Birdman on July 01, 2017, 07:19:25 PM
Is this MCW 4th team already? don't think he is 25 yet lol
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 01, 2017, 07:24:52 PM
MCW to the Hornets per Jeff Goodman, not that anyone really cares.
Honest truth is I think the Hornets will be sneaky good this season.

MCW is not a good player. They are a decent team, maybe make the playoffs, but that's it.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Atzar on July 01, 2017, 07:29:22 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

The only thing I don't like about Millsap is his age.  He's already 32.  But he fills many needs in terms of position and skillset, and he has experience playing with Horford already. 

If we could get him on a short-ish deal, I'd be on board.  Not sure that's a realistic hope though. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 01, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

The only thing I don't like about Millsap is his age.  He's already 32.  But he fills many needs in terms of position and skillset, and he has experience playing with Horford already. 

If we could get him on a short-ish deal, I'd be on board.  Not sure that's a realistic hope though.


Why can't they do what Philly is doing and overpay him for one year if we whiff on Hayward?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 01, 2017, 07:36:22 PM
Sixers have had a nice off-season and have finally committed to winning and not tanking.  They should make the playoffs.  Tanking (strategically trying to lose) is in some ways despicable, yet it is all within the rules of the NBA and if Embiid and Simmons play healthy and to their potentials, this team will soon be one to be reckoned with.

Let's compare C's and Sixers in terms of acquisitions/losses so far this summer (apologies if I missed something):

Sixers add:  Fultz, Amir Johnson, JJ Reddick
Declared FAs: Tiago Splitter, Sergio Rodriguez
Sixers lose: LAL/SAC/Philly 1st round draft pick in 18 or 19

Celtics add: Tatum, Daniel Theis, LAL/SAC/Philly 1st round draft pick in 18 or 19, Ante Zizic
Declared FAs: Green, Young, and Jerebko
C's Lose:  Amir

Let's call the 2nd round picks for C's and Sixers a wash.


So... while many are considering the off-season a strong one for Philly and many seem pretty unsatisfied by the C's off-season thus far, a side by side look really doesn't seem like a homerun for one and a swinging strike 3 for the other.  If Danny doesn't add GH or a couple of sound role players to this team, I'll probably feel let down, but even as it stands at this moment, I think the C's have improved their team while protecting/building future assets.  And I am certain Danny isn't done. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: byennie on July 01, 2017, 07:39:25 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

The only thing I don't like about Millsap is his age.  He's already 32.  But he fills many needs in terms of position and skillset, and he has experience playing with Horford already. 

If we could get him on a short-ish deal, I'd be on board.  Not sure that's a realistic hope though.


Why can't they do what Philly is doing and overpay him for one year if we whiff on Hayward?

How do you overpay a guy who's expecting a multi-year max deal?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 01, 2017, 07:44:01 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

The only thing I don't like about Millsap is his age.  He's already 32.  But he fills many needs in terms of position and skillset, and he has experience playing with Horford already. 

If we could get him on a short-ish deal, I'd be on board.  Not sure that's a realistic hope though.

He's actually a good player. He can rebound and spread the floor, something we want. Him and Horford already know how to play together and had some success (60-win season, reached ECF).

It would be disappointing missing out on Hayward and Griffin, but he would be a good signing on a 3yr deal (although unlikely). I could easily see him averaging 16/8/4/1.5/1 for us.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 01, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

The only thing I don't like about Millsap is his age.  He's already 32.  But he fills many needs in terms of position and skillset, and he has experience playing with Horford already. 

If we could get him on a short-ish deal, I'd be on board.  Not sure that's a realistic hope though.


Why can't they do what Philly is doing and overpay him for one year if we whiff on Hayward?

How do you overpay a guy who's expecting a multi-year max deal?

Maybe nobody wants to give a player his age a max deal. I thought I read that two teams are already out. Everyone WANTS a long term max deal but everyone doesn't get one.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2017, 08:02:50 PM
http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/881276781885632512

Looks like both Phoenix and Minny are out of the Millsap hunt, leaving just Denver for now.

I wonder if Danny would try to nab him if he's still available if Hayward goes elsewhere on Tuesday.

The only thing I don't like about Millsap is his age.  He's already 32.  But he fills many needs in terms of position and skillset, and he has experience playing with Horford already. 

If we could get him on a short-ish deal, I'd be on board.  Not sure that's a realistic hope though.


Why can't they do what Philly is doing and overpay him for one year if we whiff on Hayward?

He's 32 and would like a longer deal.  I'm sure the Celtics would be willing to go one year with Millsap if he'd take it.  Also, he'd like about what Hayward is going to get, and for multiple years.  Maybe he'll find there's no market.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 01, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
Not sure if these two have been mentioned

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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn

Free agent guard Langston Galloway is finalizing a three-year, $21M deal with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell ESPN.

Quote
David Aldridge‏Verified account @daldridgetnt

David West, per source, to re-sign for one year—will be his last—with the Warriors.

Detroit overpaying end of bench players again. Like Marjanovic last year.

GSW keeping another important part of their bench.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 09:43:14 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 01, 2017, 09:44:12 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2017, 09:50:49 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

How much cap space does Utah still have? Hill definitely is gone now.

Can they add anyone besides Hayward, or is this pretty much the team now + draft picks?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on July 01, 2017, 09:55:47 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

How much cap space does Utah still have? Hill definitely is gone now.

Can they add anyone besides Hayward, or is this pretty much the team now + draft picks?
They will be well over the cap if they sign Hayward now, if they sign both, they are close to Portland and Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PhoSita on July 01, 2017, 10:16:10 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

I'd rather have Ingles at that # than Gallo at whatever he's going to get.


Ingles can defend and keep the ball moving.  Can play 2-4 in a pinch.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: ausbacker on July 01, 2017, 10:43:38 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

I'd rather have Ingles at that # than Gallo at whatever he's going to get.


Ingles can defend and keep the ball moving.  Can play 2-4 in a pinch.
You'd rather have Ingles and his 7 points 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game ahead of Gallinari? OK.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 01, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

I'd rather have Ingles at that # than Gallo at whatever he's going to get.


Ingles can defend and keep the ball moving.  Can play 2-4 in a pinch.
You'd rather have Ingles and his 7 points 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game ahead of Gallinari? OK.

Yeah, I love how people are dumping on Galinari, a player who can average 20 points, create his own shot, and shoot better than almost everyone on our roster. Sure, we don't need players like that.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 10:50:37 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

I'd rather have Ingles at that # than Gallo at whatever he's going to get.


Ingles can defend and keep the ball moving.  Can play 2-4 in a pinch.
You'd rather have Ingles and his 7 points 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game ahead of Gallinari? OK.

Yeah, I love how people are dumping on Galinari, a player who can average 20 points, create his own shot, and shoot better than almost everyone on our roster. Sure, we don't need players like that.

And he does it on elite efficiency. People don't realize how good of an offensive player Gallinari is.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 01, 2017, 11:50:42 PM
Iguodala back to the Warriors.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2017, 11:53:43 PM
How is it golden St can afford to resign all of these guys?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2017, 11:55:16 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

I'd rather have Ingles at that # than Gallo at whatever he's going to get.


Ingles can defend and keep the ball moving.  Can play 2-4 in a pinch.
You'd rather have Ingles and his 7 points 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game ahead of Gallinari? OK.

Yeah, I love how people are dumping on Galinari, a player who can average 20 points, create his own shot, and shoot better than almost everyone on our roster. Sure, we don't need players like that.

And he does it on elite efficiency. People don't realize how good of an offensive player Gallinari is.
Yes, he is an excellent offensive player. He is a bit one dimensional, but under CBS I am sure the Celtics would maximize his offensive and give IT a break. 

If it just weren't for his health.  :P
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2017, 11:59:41 PM
How is it golden St can afford to resign all of these guys?
Crudely stated, under the new CBA a team can go over the cap to keep their own players. They cannot to sign free agents. Every big player for GS, save Durant, was drafted by them. Hence, they can sign them as long as they are willing to pay.

This is why ainge is accumulating great draft picks. As these players grow, if they pan out the Celtics can pay to keep them.  This is why those posters who whine about "too many picks" are missing the point entirely.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2017, 12:02:33 AM
How is it golden St can afford to resign all of these guys?
Crudely stated, under the new CBA a team can go over the cap to keep their own players. They cannot to sign free agents. Every big player for GS, save Durant, was drafted by them. Hence, they can sign them as long as they are willing to pay.

This is why ainge is accumulating great draft picks. As these players grow, if they pan out the Celtics can pay to keep them.  This is why those posters who whine about "too many picks" are missing the point entirely.

So it is because they have Bird rights on these guys.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 12:05:39 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881324515233480704

Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
@wojespn

Restricted free agent Joe Ingles is finalizing a deal to return to the Utah Jazz, Ingles tells ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672977370415634871-4 …

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

UPDATE: 4 Years/52M

That's a heck of a lot for someone like Ingles!

I'd rather have Ingles at that # than Gallo at whatever he's going to get.


Ingles can defend and keep the ball moving.  Can play 2-4 in a pinch.
You'd rather have Ingles and his 7 points 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game ahead of Gallinari? OK.

Yeah, I love how people are dumping on Galinari, a player who can average 20 points, create his own shot, and shoot better than almost everyone on our roster. Sure, we don't need players like that.

And he does it on elite efficiency. People don't realize how good of an offensive player Gallinari is.
Yes, he is an excellent offensive player. He is a bit one dimensional, but under CBS I am sure the Celtics would maximize his offensive and give IT a break. 

If it just weren't for his health.  :P

Well, there's the rub. His health is a very serious question.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: colincb on July 02, 2017, 12:35:36 AM
It's a fair number for Ingles. He's an advanced stats darling.

Gallinari will get more because he's a very efficient outside scorer and they get paid a premium.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 12:59:25 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: colincb on July 02, 2017, 01:02:08 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 02, 2017, 01:07:33 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 01:07:53 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

What if we sign Hayward and then do a sign-n-trade with Toronto for Ibaka?  It would probably take even less than Indy got for George.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 01:11:52 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!

The East seems to just have the dumber GMs.    I mean, the Toronto guy is supposed to be one of the best and how much did he give away to rent PJ Tucker?  What if Ibaka signs somewhere else?

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 01:13:02 AM
The disparity between the West and East right now is just crazy.

Legit playoff contenders in the West:
GS
SA
Houston
OKC
Utah
Portland
Clippers
Memphis
Dallas
Minnesota
Denver
New Orleans

Lakers
Sacramento
Phoenix

The West will be an absolute dogfight next year. 12 out of 15 teams all look to have good shots at the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fantankerous on July 02, 2017, 01:16:28 AM
How is it golden St can afford to resign all of these guys?
Crudely stated, under the new CBA a team can go over the cap to keep their own players. They cannot to sign free agents. Every big player for GS, save Durant, was drafted by them. Hence, they can sign them as long as they are willing to pay.

This is why ainge is accumulating great draft picks. As these players grow, if they pan out the Celtics can pay to keep them.  This is why those posters who whine about "too many picks" are missing the point entirely.

So it is because they have Bird rights on these guys.

Yes, except Durant.  This is why Durant, although he will come to an agreement last, will be the first (or so) signed.  #paperwork.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 01:30:10 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!

The East seems to just have the dumber GMs.    I mean, the Toronto guy is supposed to be one of the best and how much did he give away to rent PJ Tucker?  What if Ibaka signs somewhere else?

Mike

Masai Ujiri (the Toronto guy) offered Tucker significantly more money. It's not his fault that Tucker left.

https://twitter.com/windhorstespn/status/881380856635326464
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
The disparity between the West and East right now is just crazy.

Legit playoff contenders in the West:
GS
SA
Houston
OKC
Utah
Portland
Clippers
Memphis
Dallas
Minnesota
Denver
New Orleans

Lakers
Sacramento
Phoenix

The West will be an absolute dogfight next year. 12 out of 15 teams all look to have good shots at the playoffs.
salivating at the chance of cashing in on that Lakers pick next year. If the ping pong balls fall to #2 and the Brooklyn one falls to #1... Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 02, 2017, 07:25:57 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M
I don't like it. 32 years old and already slowing down.

2 years would be fine for a good backup SF but 4 years is too long. Bad contract. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 02, 2017, 07:27:09 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!

The East seems to just have the dumber GMs.    I mean, the Toronto guy is supposed to be one of the best and how much did he give away to rent PJ Tucker?  What if Ibaka signs somewhere else?

Mike

Masai Ujiri (the Toronto guy) offered Tucker significantly more money. It's not his fault that Tucker left.

https://twitter.com/windhorstespn/status/881380856635326464

Aren't the Canadian taxes pretty steep? And Houston with no income tax and better team.

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 02, 2017, 07:28:44 AM
That is crazy money for Ingles. Talk about a limited bench guy.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 02, 2017, 07:39:18 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!
This is not difficult to understand.  Teams that are stronger are cashing in and are also more attractive destinations for free agents.  Then there's the 'LeBron factor' in the East too where both teams and players don't think they have a shot at the Finals.  This will even out if GS wins again and keeps their team together.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2017, 07:44:12 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!

The East seems to just have the dumber GMs.    I mean, the Toronto guy is supposed to be one of the best and how much did he give away to rent PJ Tucker?  What if Ibaka signs somewhere else?

Mike

He gave away two second rounders and Jared Sullinger.  Talk about mortgaging the future, eh?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 07:59:30 AM
How is it golden St can afford to resign all of these guys?
Crudely stated, under the new CBA a team can go over the cap to keep their own players. They cannot to sign free agents. Every big player for GS, save Durant, was drafted by them. Hence, they can sign them as long as they are willing to pay.

This is why ainge is accumulating great draft picks. As these players grow, if they pan out the Celtics can pay to keep them.  This is why those posters who whine about "too many picks" are missing the point entirely.

So it is because they have Bird rights on these guys.

Yes, except Durant.  This is why Durant, although he will come to an agreement last, will be the first (or so) signed.  #paperwork.

Completely incorrect.  The Warriors also have a form of Bird rights (oddly called "non-Bird rights" colloquially) that will allow them to go over the cap to sign him and give him up to a 20% raise.  They can sign him last.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: ThaPreacher on July 02, 2017, 08:31:54 AM
How is it golden St can afford to resign all of these guys?
Crudely stated, under the new CBA a team can go over the cap to keep their own players. They cannot to sign free agents. Every big player for GS, save Durant, was drafted by them. Hence, they can sign them as long as they are willing to pay.

This is why ainge is accumulating great draft picks. As these players grow, if they pan out the Celtics can pay to keep them.  This is why those posters who whine about "too many picks" are missing the point entirely.

Ainge is building assets to attempt to win "multiple titles" not one.  The Wind always outlasts the Mountain,    Patience, young grasshoppers, patience......
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 08:42:53 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M

Nice pickup. One guy you want on your side in a fight.


The West has pooped on the East for years now, yet their teams continue to get stronger and stronger.WTH man?!

The East seems to just have the dumber GMs.    I mean, the Toronto guy is supposed to be one of the best and how much did he give away to rent PJ Tucker?  What if Ibaka signs somewhere else?

Mike

He gave away two second rounders and Jared Sullinger.  Talk about mortgaging the future, eh?

You are the sort of gambler Las Vegas loves, the one who doesn't bother to keep track of his "little losses" until he winds up bankrupt.

No, giving up that for PJ Tucker isn't the end of the world.  But if Lowry leaves and they decide to blow it up and trade DeRozen and his huge deal, that 2018 second round pick suddenly becomes a lot more valuable.

And what about the 1st rounder and Terrence Ross they gave up for Ibaka?  They gave up two players, a first and two seconds...for what?  So they could win a meaningless regular season game against Boston?

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: dreamgreen on July 02, 2017, 09:14:17 AM
PJ Tucker to the Rockets for 4 years/32M
I don't like it. 32 years old and already slowing down.

2 years would be fine for a good backup SF but 4 years is too long. Bad contract.

I don't know the market is crazy. $8m a year for a solid rotation player could end up being a bargain!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 02, 2017, 09:48:09 AM
The disparity between the West and East right now is just crazy.

Legit playoff contenders in the West:
GS
SA
Houston
OKC
Utah
Portland
Clippers
Memphis
Dallas
Minnesota
Denver
New Orleans

Lakers
Sacramento
Phoenix

The West will be an absolute dogfight next year. 12 out of 15 teams all look to have good shots at the playoffs.
salivating at the chance of cashing in on that Lakers pick next year. If the ping pong balls fall to #2 and the Brooklyn one falls to #1... Lol
Same here but I don't think we'll get the LAL pick unless they sneak into 2 or 3. There are just too many BAD teams in the East now though the only thing that helps is how tough the West is and LAL has to play more a lot more games vs. those team. I also hate it that Atlanta now may be the team that is a bottom feeder on the Nets level, as are a few other teams in the East.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 02, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
Doesn't look like we'll be seeing fireworks this summer.....again. Too bad Milsap is 32 or I'd love to have him sign here, especially if Gordon signs before he leaves Boston today.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nebist on July 02, 2017, 10:41:34 AM
Signing the best available FA on the market would be fireworks.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on July 02, 2017, 10:48:23 AM
Signing the best available FA on the market would be fireworks.
I agree but my point was that we still need a all-star caliber player to compete with Cleveland. Gordon pretty much assures that we're still 2nd best in the East. But that also means that if we stay healthy and the Cavs suffer an injury to one of their top 3 then we'll be the lucky ones to play GSW.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: colincb on July 02, 2017, 11:27:37 AM
Not sure why ESPN has this in with it's FA update but FWIW:

Quote
Boston Celtics

1. Signed 2016 first-round pick Ante Zizic to a rookie contract
2. Agreed to a reported two-year deal with forward Daniel Theis

In addition to signing this year's No. 3 overall pick, Jayson Tatum, the Celtics also announced the addition of last year's No. 23 pick. (Rookie contracts for first-round picks are among a handful of deals that can be signed during the moratorium.) Zizic ranked ninth in my 2016 consensus draft projections and backed that up with another solid season split between the Adriatic League -- where he dominated -- and playing tougher competition in EuroLeague with Turkish club Darussafaka Dogus Istanbul.

Depending how the offseason goes, Zizic could start at center for Boston this season. He'd probably play limited minutes in that role with Al Horford finishing games in the middle, but Zizic can hold his own. He's an ultra-high-percentage finisher and an excellent offensive rebounder. Defensively, Zizic projects as a below-average shot blocker and rebounder, but not a liability on that end.

The Celtics also agreed to a long-rumored two-year contract with Theis, a combo big whose projections are similar to Zizic's. Theis had FIBA 3-point range but may struggle to shoot accurately from the NBA 3-point line. Though just 6-foot-9, he blocks enough shots to potentially play some center. Besides size, the big difference between the two players is age. Theis is close to maxed out at age 25 where Zizic is just 20 and can be expected to develop into a quality starter.

Not sure how you can be an excellent offensive rebounder, but a below-average defensive rebounder, but this a Kevin Pelton piece and he projects a lot of stuff off of stats.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 02, 2017, 11:57:20 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881540776768880641

Source: Free agent forward Serge Ibaka has reached deal on three-year, $65M contract to stay with the Toronto
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 12:07:49 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 12:16:11 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881540776768880641

Source: Free agent forward Serge Ibaka has reached deal on three-year, $65M contract to stay with the Toronto

Wow.  So basically Toronto is going to either...

1.  Let Lowry walk.
2.  Trade DeMarr DeRozen or DeMarre Carrol or Valanciunas.
3.  Pay the luxury tax for a team that has zero chance to win a title and probably can't even make the conference finals.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 02, 2017, 12:19:31 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 12:24:02 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

There's still Milsap and Illyasova, but I have to wonder if a trade doesn't make more sense if we sign Hayward.  We've got several guys that there's no way we'll be able to resign if we've already got two max contracts on the roster.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.

Two of Tom T's favorite exBulls... That is a pretty good looking roster but the west is still stacked. The Twolves should make the playoffs but who falls out in the west. Utah without Hayward would be my guess...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: JOMVP on July 02, 2017, 12:30:56 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.

Two of Tom T's favorite exBulls... That is a pretty good looking roster but the west is still stacked. The Twolves should make the playoffs but who falls out in the west. Utah without Hayward would be my guess...

I think Utah even with Hayward would be fighting for a playoff spot. I like Gobert and Favors, but they don't have enough there. Rubio doesnt move the needle for them.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 12:31:38 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.

Two of Tom T's favorite exBulls... That is a pretty good looking roster but the west is still stacked. The Twolves should make the playoffs but who falls out in the west. Utah without Hayward would be my guess...

Honestly, at this point Utah might be fighting tooth and nail just to make the playoffs even with Hayward. Here's how I have them ranked:

Tier 1: GS

Tier 2: SA, Houston, OKC

Tier 3: Utah, Portland (w/ Nurkic), Denver (w/ Millsap), Minny, LAC, Memphis, NO, Dallas

Tier 4: LAL, Sacramento, Phoenix

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Minny, Denver, and Portland all take big jumps again this year with their roster additions from the deadline, draft, or free agency. I think Utah has first round fodder written all over it with no real chance of significantly improving.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on July 02, 2017, 12:33:39 PM
Many pieces are falling with huge, long contracts in many cases. Let's keep optimistic until we see what happens with Hayward. Gallinari would be a good plan B, and Millsap (no more than 3-year contract) a possible plan C.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 12:37:50 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.

Two of Tom T's favorite exBulls... That is a pretty good looking roster but the west is still stacked. The Twolves should make the playoffs but who falls out in the west. Utah without Hayward would be my guess...

I think Utah even with Hayward would be fighting for a playoff spot. I like Gobert and Favors, but they don't have enough there. Rubio doesnt move the needle for them.

I agree they'd be lucky to make the playoffs as serval teams have improved including non playoff teams last year: Pelicans, Nuggets, Timberwolves...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
LOL Ibaka staying with Toronto for 3 years/65M?? I mean, that's not too bad considering many here thought that he would command a max contract..  :o

But what's Toronto's plan? Going into the luxury tax for what's likely a 4 seed? Maybe 3? Still no shot at Cleveland no other ways to improve besides making trades (which would gut parts of the team anyways).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: JOMVP on July 02, 2017, 12:44:32 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.

Two of Tom T's favorite exBulls... That is a pretty good looking roster but the west is still stacked. The Twolves should make the playoffs but who falls out in the west. Utah without Hayward would be my guess...

Honestly, at this point Utah might be fighting tooth and nail just to make the playoffs even with Hayward. Here's how I have them ranked:

Tier 1: GS

Tier 2: SA, Houston, OKC

Tier 3: Utah, Portland (w/ Nurkic), Denver (w/ Millsap), Minny, LAC, Memphis, NO, Dallas

Tier 4: LAL, Sacramento, Phoenix

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Minny, Denver, and Portland all take big jumps again this year with their roster additions from the deadline, draft, or free agency. I think Utah has first round fodder written all over it with no real chance of significantly improving.

Maybe I'm overeacting a tad to.the Minnesota offseason, but I'm willing to put them in that tier 2 with the mix of great youth and veteran leadership plus Thibs. They definitely could use some shooting I guess. That is gonna be a tough team though.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 02:30:58 PM
Thanks to jpotter for redirecting me here

So,  according to a Croatian (I guess) source, Milos Teodosic is coming to the Bulls with a 48/4 contract.

http://sport.blic.rs/kosarka/nba/fantastican-ugovor-teo-cikagu-uzima-48-miliona-dolara/s9p02lh

And Taj Gibson with a 28/2 deal to Minny

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/881542700612280320
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 02:36:36 PM
Thanks to jpotter for redirecting me here

So,  according to a Croatian (I guess) source, Milos Teodosic is coming to the Bulls with a 48/4 contract.

http://sport.blic.rs/kosarka/nba/fantastican-ugovor-teo-cikagu-uzima-48-miliona-dolara/s9p02lh

And Taj Gibson with a 28/2 deal to Minny

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/881542700612280320

That's more good news for us. The Jazz were supposedly favorites for Teodosic at one time.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 02:40:33 PM
Ibaka 65/3 at Toronto

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881540776768880641

@jpotter I'm a bit puzzled with the Teodosic signing. Never been a great fun - he sure is a great playmaker but he is inconsistent and a bad on ball defender, and that's by Euroleague standards. The Bulls better know what they are doing.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
Jodie Meeks 7/2 to the Wiz

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881551920200126464
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Here is a nice summary of what we got so far by Reddit

(https://i.gyazo.com/20a2a89ea6aca4a324e0082b86431758.png)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Ibaka 65/3 at Toronto

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881540776768880641

@jpotter I'm a bit puzzled with the Teodosic signing. Never been a great fun - he sure is a great playmaker but he is inconsistent and a bad on ball defender, and that's by Euroleague standards. The Bulls better know what they are doing.

The Bulls don't know what they are doing...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 02:54:11 PM
Here is a nice summary of what we got so far by Reddit

(https://i.gyazo.com/20a2a89ea6aca4a324e0082b86431758.png)

I'm surprised Ron Baker hasn't signed a 4 year 48 million dollar deal by now. That's probably the biggest surprise of free agency so far!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 02, 2017, 03:13:19 PM
What about the Theis signing in Boston?


(http://static-20.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/5745f957-7778-4883-b54c-c0e25eb9f0d7-large16x9_ThinkstockPhotos475494450.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 02, 2017, 03:21:59 PM
34 million for jj reddick and amor Johnson? :o
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 03:25:52 PM
34 million for jj reddick and amor Johnson? :o

Well, they are both only one year contracts. They add a couple of vets to bring along the young guys for a year. Amir look very cooked at times this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 04:32:26 PM
Nene 11/3 at Rockets


https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/881606454746198018
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: dreamgreen on July 02, 2017, 04:35:29 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

Wow, whats the Cavs payroll this year? They must be bleeding money hahaha.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

LOL, and now Cleveland's luxury tax bill goes from 20M to about 42M now..
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 04:39:47 PM
Nene 11/3 at Rockets


https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/881606454746198018

Ugh, all of these capable free agents being snatched up while we wait on Hayward. Would've loved Nene off the bench for us.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 04:44:39 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

LOL, and now Cleveland's luxury tax bill goes from 20M to about 42M now..

Korver is toast. Isn't this guy like 36 years old....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 04:47:00 PM
Just saw a discussion that the deal reported earlier on Teodosic is not accurate. When I find something reliable I'll come back.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 04:47:26 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

LOL, and now Cleveland's luxury tax bill goes from 20M to about 42M now..

Korver is toast. Isn't this guy like 36 years old....

Yep.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
David West 2.3 mill/1 year Warriors

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-david-west-agrees-one-174629101.html
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 04:56:45 PM
I am super excited about year two of Jaylen Brown and all the talented rookies we have coming in this summer? The Celtics have  added rotation players through the draft and will be better than last year. If The Celtics sign Hayward, which I think is a forgone conclusion, it'll be a perfect fit. This team is really exciting right now and the 1st summer league game is tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 05:18:20 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2017, 05:21:51 PM
Good. I like watching Boston beat Lowery's ass
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 05:22:43 PM
Celtics have requested waivers on Tyler Zeller.

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/881619757270786048

@phantom

havent seen Lowry's contract details yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2017, 05:24:10 PM
Celtics have requested waivers on Tyler Zeller.

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/881619757270786048

@phantom

havent seen Lowry's contract details yet.


3 for 100 mil
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: footey on July 02, 2017, 05:28:15 PM
http://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/881543141995585540

Taj Gibson to Twolves for 2/28.

Our big man options are really drying up. It's going to be interesting to see what Danny does at the 4 spot.

Man, I like what Minny is doing so far. Might need another shooter, but their offseason is shaping up nicely.

Two of Tom T's favorite exBulls... That is a pretty good looking roster but the west is still stacked. The Twolves should make the playoffs but who falls out in the west. Utah without Hayward would be my guess...

Honestly, at this point Utah might be fighting tooth and nail just to make the playoffs even with Hayward. Here's how I have them ranked:

Tier 1: GS

Tier 2: SA, Houston, OKC

Tier 3: Utah, Portland (w/ Nurkic), Denver (w/ Millsap), Minny, LAC, Memphis, NO, Dallas

Tier 4: LAL, Sacramento, Phoenix

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Minny, Denver, and Portland all take big jumps again this year with their roster additions from the deadline, draft, or free agency. I think Utah has first round fodder written all over it with no real chance of significantly improving.
I think Pelicans will still struggle. Which is why Danny is hanging onto the picks. We will be most likely players in Pelicans rebuild.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
The CAVS signed Jose Calderon, trying to corner the market on 36 year old guards....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 05:43:12 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 05:43:53 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.

Yep, just saw.

If he gets 3/100, then Isaiah is getting more, whether people agree or not.

Maybe with a 4th year too.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 05:46:47 PM
Read Cs working on a sign and trade for Amir. ??

They tried, but it appears they could not come to an agreement.  Don't know if that was due to Amir/Philly negotiations or Philly/Boston (Amir-Philly would have needed to sign a 3-year deal instead of a 1-year deal, hence why it could have been either negotiation.)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 05:47:50 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.

Yep, just saw.

If he gets 3/100, then Isaiah is getting more, whether people agree or not.

Maybe with a 4th year too.

Isaiah cannot get more over 3 years.  Lowry has been in the league long enough to beeligible for the 10+ max.  IT will be at the 7-9 max next summer.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 05:49:05 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.

Yep, just saw.

If he gets 3/100, then Isaiah is getting more, whether people agree or not.

Maybe with a 4th year too.

Who were The Raptors bidding against with this contract? I didn't hear that anyone else was interested. That's why so many teams aren't ever going to play for a championship. That's an over pay for a 31 year old guard that relies on speed coming off an injury...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 05:53:25 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.

Yep, just saw.

If he gets 3/100, then Isaiah is getting more, whether people agree or not.

Maybe with a 4th year too.

Isaiah cannot get more over 3 years.  Lowry has been in the league long enough to beeligible for the 10+ max.  IT will be at the 7-9 max next summer.

It seems crazy that Lowry has been in the league for 10 years, but he was pretty much overlooked and a role player for the first half of his career, iirc.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 02, 2017, 05:57:25 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

3 years for Korver? He is 36 years old! Yuck
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 05:59:11 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

3 years for Korver? He is 36 years old! Yuck

Third year isn't fully guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 06:00:54 PM
Korver 22/3 Cavs

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/881605148270706689

3 years for Korver? He is 36 years old! Yuck

Third year isn't fully guaranteed.

Oh, so it's only a bad two year contract...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
GM Lebron likes his guards old. Why not take a little tip from the Champs and get some players in there and work with them all season so you have some young legs in the playoffs?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 06:07:47 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Wall-Beal-Porter is a nice core. Paying the tax for that core is tough to stomach.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 06:12:41 PM
Wall-Beal-Porter is a nice core. Paying the tax for that core is tough to stomach.

I still can't imagine that they let him go, though. I remember reading after our series that they planned on trading Gortat to save some money.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 06:14:41 PM
Wall-Beal-Porter is a nice core. Paying the tax for that core is tough to stomach.

I still can't imagine that they let him go, though. I remember reading after our series that they planned on trading Gortat to save some money.

Oh, no way they let him walk. Trading Gortat would also be a pretty tough move. You're then making a pretty huge bet on Ian Mahinmi returning to form.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 06:15:21 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

Not good for us if Kings improve...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 02, 2017, 06:18:33 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

Not good for us if Kings improve...

It's good news for us if the Wiz decide to pay Otto that kind of money, tho. Toronto and Washington don't look to be getting better, good news for us.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Sophomore on July 02, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.

Yep, just saw.

If he gets 3/100, then Isaiah is getting more, whether people agree or not.

Maybe with a 4th year too.

Who were The Raptors bidding against with this contract? I didn't hear that anyone else was interested. That's why so many teams aren't ever going to play for a championship. That's an over pay for a 31 year old guard that relies on speed coming off an injury...

With that deal and the ibaka signing they seem to be locking themselves in to their current ceiling. Fine by me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 06:21:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

Not good for us if Kings improve...

I think we'll get the Lakers pick unless it somehow gets the 1st seed, so the Sacramento pick won't be a concern for us.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 06:23:41 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

Not good for us if Kings improve...

The alternative could have been the Nets getting him.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 06:26:21 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: 2short on July 02, 2017, 06:28:00 PM
Wall-Beal-Porter is a nice core. Paying the tax for that core is tough to stomach.

I still can't imagine that they let him go, though. I remember reading after our series that they planned on trading Gortat to save some money.
Gortat for zeller and filler
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 06:28:21 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

It's also important to differentiate between max contracts. Porter's 25% max is a little different from Steph's 35%.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
Wall-Beal-Porter is a nice core. Paying the tax for that core is tough to stomach.

I still can't imagine that they let him go, though. I remember reading after our series that they planned on trading Gortat to save some money.
Gortat for zeller and filler

Zeller was waived a couple hours ago :).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 06:30:12 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

It's also important to differentiate between max contracts. Porter's 25% max is a little different from Steph's 35%.

Yes, but I'm tired of telling people that because they rarely listen.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 06:34:08 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

It's also important to differentiate between max contracts. Porter's 25% max is a little different from Steph's 35%.

Yes, but I'm tired of telling people that because they rarely listen.

Hahaha, everyone sees the word "max" and freaks out. Let's just talk about all contracts as a percentage of the cap and no one will jump at these buzzwords, and there will be no backlash when the cap jumps and percentages stay the same while raw money shoots up.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 06:56:39 PM
I guess most ppl already know this, but here s a salary cap tracker by spotrac

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 02, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
Lowry re-signed with Raptors

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/881622435262377984?s=09

Really curious to see what the contract is.

Are Toronto in the luxury tax now?

I'm seeing 3/100.

Yeah, I think IT4's getting north of that deal. Hopefully for 3 years. I'm fine with that too- he's a game changer. 2020 and beyond is our time frame to win a championship. Until then, I'm honestly not too worried about acquiring the right veteran that pushes the needle.

Hayward would be a nice piece, but I won't be too disappointed if we don't get him. If we're committing to IT4, Hayward, and Horford at around $100m for the next three years, it looks like we're still in the transition mode- which I'm happy with.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.

Jeff Green Career 13.5 pts 4.7 rebounds 33 % 3pt

Otto Porter Career 9.3 pts 4.4rebounds 38% 3pt
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.

Jeff Green Career 13.5 pts 4.7 rebounds 33 % 3pt

Otto Porter Career 9.3 pts 4.4rebounds 38% 3pt

He said "season."
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 02, 2017, 07:11:11 PM
Since it's July 2nd, happy one-year anniversary of the signing of Al Horford! His presence has made a huge difference in our season's success in the eastern conference
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2017, 07:12:20 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.

Jeff Green Career 13.5 pts 4.7 rebounds 33 % 3pt

Otto Porter Career 9.3 pts 4.4rebounds 38% 3pt

He said "season."
lol
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 07:24:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

Oladipo is overpaid and Porter likely will be as well.  Markets are not always correct or reasonable.  That's how you wind up with a housing bubble that nearly destroyed the world economy.  Toronto is going into the luxury tax to bring back a team that has shown no chance at being a contender and will likely have to weaken their roster to try and get under the tax.  Is that logical?

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: dreamgreen on July 02, 2017, 07:34:22 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

It's still all way off base. No team can pay all their starters $25m+ a year but that's the direction this thing is going. IMO NBA has a major problem on their hands, I predict a lockout in the near future!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 02, 2017, 07:37:19 PM
All these crazy contracts are making Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder look like really, really good trade bait.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: ssspence on July 02, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

Ridiculously overpaid? Maybe not, considering 4-6 other dumb contracts last year. Overpaid? Absolutely. And it makes Indiana's ridiculously poor haul for George that much more egregious.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: colincb on July 02, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

If there was any comparison between the two players besides the number of years in the NBA that might be true, but Porter's numbers are far better than Oladipo's:

http://bkref.com/tiny/7dNIx

As for Oladipo's contract, it's not considered a good one.

Quote
A player's value in a trade is determined by his production on the court minus his salary. If Oladipo is fairly paid, he should have essentially neutral trade value. If he's in fact overpaid -- and my multiyear projections suggest he is, by about $16 million over the next three seasons -- then he should actually have negative value.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19778835/trade-grades-oklahoma-city-thunder-indiana-pacers-paul-george-deal-nba

I've seen others say the same thing without the precision Pelton aims for. Oladipo's PER last season was below average as was his defense and had a PER of 6.9 with a net rating per 100 possessions of -25 in the playoffs. Maybe he benefits from getting away from Westbrook's domination of the ball, but this is his 3rd team in 3 years
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 08:05:57 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.

Jeff Green Career 13.5 pts 4.7 rebounds 33 % 3pt

Otto Porter Career 9.3 pts 4.4rebounds 38% 3pt

He said "season."

Jeff Green 2008-2009 season  16.5 pts 6.7 rbs .38 3 point
Otto Porter 2016-2017 13.4 pts 6.4 rbs 43 % 3 point shooting
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I'm not sure the NBA's salary structure problem is realistically fixable.  The problem is that it's not a free market.  You'd either need to create salary slots where teams designate their best player gets X, their second best player gets X-1 and so on, or only allow one-year deals so every dollar you spend on player 1 is a dollar you can't give to player 2 through 15.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 08:10:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxArKqVwAAYR23.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 02, 2017, 08:15:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxArKqVwAAYR23.jpg:large)
Who's that in the upper right?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxArKqVwAAYR23.jpg:large)
Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 08:27:45 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.

Jeff Green Career 13.5 pts 4.7 rebounds 33 % 3pt

Otto Porter Career 9.3 pts 4.4rebounds 38% 3pt

He said "season."

Jeff Green 2008-2009 season  16.5 pts 6.7 rbs .38 3 point
Otto Porter 2016-2017 13.4 pts 6.4 rbs 43 % 3 point shooting

If you're stuck on points and rebounds per game as your metric, I'm not going to debate any further.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on July 02, 2017, 08:33:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxArKqVwAAYR23.jpg:large)
Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.

Funny that according to this graph Porter and Hayward are basically on the same level. Hayward a little better offensively and Porter a little bit better defensively.

Considering that Porter is younger and has more room for improvement I find it amusing that lots of posters on this blog mock the offer Porter got from the Kings (which will likely be matched by the Wizards) for a max contract of 26 mln a year and at the same time would be ecstatic if Hayward finally decides to sign a max contract for 31 mln a year with the Celtics.

Something is not right, here.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxArKqVwAAYR23.jpg:large)
Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.

Funny that according to this graph Porter and Hayward are basically on the same level. Hayward a little better offensively and Porter a little bit better defensively.

Considering that Porter is younger and has more room for improvement I find it amusing that lots of posters on this blog mock the offer Porter got from the Kings (which will likely be matched by the Wizards) for a max contract of 26 mln a year and at the same time would be ecstatic if Hayward finally decides to sign a max contract for 31 mln a year with the Celtics.

Something is not right, here.

TPA isn't my favorite metric, personally.  And Hayward's offense fits what we need more -- a second playmaker.  That said, I'm also the guy who started the thread in November saying that Porter should be our Plan C after Hayward and Griffin, and personally don't find Porter to be overpaid.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
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Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.

Funny that according to this graph Porter and Hayward are basically on the same level. Hayward a little better offensively and Porter a little bit better defensively.

Considering that Porter is younger and has more room for improvement I find it amusing that lots of posters on this blog mock the offer Porter got from the Kings (which will likely be matched by the Wizards) for a max contract of 26 mln a year and at the same time would be ecstatic if Hayward finally decides to sign a max contract for 31 mln a year with the Celtics.

Something is not right, here.

Fuzzy, unreliable analytics?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
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Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.

Funny that according to this graph Porter and Hayward are basically on the same level. Hayward a little better offensively and Porter a little bit better defensively.

Considering that Porter is younger and has more room for improvement I find it amusing that lots of posters on this blog mock the offer Porter got from the Kings (which will likely be matched by the Wizards) for a max contract of 26 mln a year and at the same time would be ecstatic if Hayward finally decides to sign a max contract for 31 mln a year with the Celtics.

Something is not right, here.

Two differences.

1.  Hayward has already proven he can consistently perform at all-star or near all-star level.  Porter hasn't.

2.  We're looking to pay Hayward a boatload of money to take us to another level as a team.  That's why we're willing to deal with the consequences.  The Wizards are going to have to pay that money just to remain in the same place.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 02, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDxArKqVwAAYR23.jpg:large)
Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.

Thanks. That's what I thought but was thrown by the "remaining FA" title.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
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Who's that in the upper right?

Some dude named Durant.

Thanks. That's what I thought but was thrown by the "remaining FA" title.

He technically hasn't agreed to a contract yet.  Might not do that for a week or two.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2017, 09:14:56 PM
Lakers meeting with waiters

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/881680932675178496
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2017, 09:21:10 PM
Shabazz Mohammed is now a free agent
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/881679755099164672
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 02, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
Shabazz Mohammed is now a free agent
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/881679755099164672

oh boy
wow
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 09:53:31 PM
Is Otto Porter the new Jeff Green?

Jeff Green never had a season 75% as good as what Porter just had, nor showed the year-to-year improvement the Porter has throughout his career.  Yes, the deal bets that a player who's 24 will continue to improve, but many players do improve from that age, and this one improved significantly every season so far.

Their similarities end at body type and alma mater.

Jeff Green Career 13.5 pts 4.7 rebounds 33 % 3pt

Otto Porter Career 9.3 pts 4.4rebounds 38% 3pt

He said "season."

Jeff Green 2008-2009 season  16.5 pts 6.7 rbs .38 3 point
Otto Porter 2016-2017 13.4 pts 6.4 rbs 43 % 3 point shooting

If you're stuck on points and rebounds per game as your metric, I'm not going to debate any further.

Post your metrics.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: mctyson on July 02, 2017, 10:06:52 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

Ridiculously overpaid? Maybe not, considering 4-6 other dumb contracts last year. Overpaid? Absolutely. And it makes Indiana's ridiculously poor haul for George that much more egregious.

Why do we care about underpaid/paid/overpaid?  Why is everyone obsessed about contracts? 

Is Otto Porter good? YES.  Is he healthy? YES.  All you need to know.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 10:26:34 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

Ridiculously overpaid? Maybe not, considering 4-6 other dumb contracts last year. Overpaid? Absolutely. And it makes Indiana's ridiculously poor haul for George that much more egregious.

Why do we care about underpaid/paid/overpaid?  Why is everyone obsessed about contracts? 

Is Otto Porter good? YES.  Is he healthy? YES.  All you need to know.

We care because it's fun to talk about but also because these contracts don't exist in a vacuum.  What Porter gets affects both practically and in expectations what IT, Bradley and Smart will get.  The more other teams overpay, the more we have to overpay just to get players' attention.

I would bet money that Evan Turner wanted to stay in Boston.  This was the first place in his NBA career where he was successful and appreciated.  And I'm sure that as much as we wanted to preserve future cap space, there had to be at least some desire by Ainge and Stevens to keep him.  But none of that mattered because Portland came in with an insane offer for a guy who didn't even fit with what their team really needed.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 10:35:22 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

Ridiculously overpaid? Maybe not, considering 4-6 other dumb contracts last year. Overpaid? Absolutely. And it makes Indiana's ridiculously poor haul for George that much more egregious.

Why do we care about underpaid/paid/overpaid?  Why is everyone obsessed about contracts? 

Is Otto Porter good? YES.  Is he healthy? YES.  All you need to know.

Because you can only spend so much per team ( they can go over in certain situations but there's also luxury taxes etc...)  so contracts matter.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 10:36:21 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711393-otto-porter-reportedly-offered-max-contract-offer-sheet-by-kings

Looks like Otto Porter has signed a max 4/106 offer sheet with the Kings.

I know it's unrealistic at this point, but that would be pretty sweet if Washington let him go and didn't match. That'd really help us with both the LA and Brooklyn picks, and it'd help an Eastern rival get significantly worse.

How do you get a max contract averaging 13.4 points and 6.4 rebounds? That's ludicrous!

Do it at the age of 23-24, and with the best efficiency in the league for your position.

$26.5 million per year still seems a bit steep, but that's the market.

It's also why people who think Oladipo is ridiculously overpaid are off-base.

Ridiculously overpaid? Maybe not, considering 4-6 other dumb contracts last year. Overpaid? Absolutely. And it makes Indiana's ridiculously poor haul for George that much more egregious.

Why do we care about underpaid/paid/overpaid?  Why is everyone obsessed about contracts? 

Is Otto Porter good? YES.  Is he healthy? YES.  All you need to know.

We care because it's fun to talk about but also because these contracts don't exist in a vacuum.  What Porter gets affects both practically and in expectations what IT, Bradley and Smart will get.  The more other teams overpay, the more we have to overpay just to get players' attention.

I would bet money that Evan Turner wanted to stay in Boston.  This was the first place in his NBA career where he was successful and appreciated.  And I'm sure that as much as we wanted to preserve future cap space, there had to be at least some desire by Ainge and Stevens to keep him.  But none of that mattered because Portland came in with an insane offer for a guy who didn't even fit with what their team really needed.

Mike

Well said...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Milsap to DEnver
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2017, 11:12:47 PM
Yes! Haha old man Millsap isn't coming!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2017, 11:19:40 PM
Milsap to DEnver

yep, 90/3 contract
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2017, 11:23:39 PM
Milsap to DEnver

yep, 90/3 contract
$90 mill for a guy who gets dunked on by lebron
https://twitter.com/darealdoodle/status/881702206067658752
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 02, 2017, 11:24:38 PM
Ugh I don't like it for us. Another target gone as we keep waiting on Hayward..
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2017, 11:25:26 PM
Bobby Marks tweeted something relevant to those here looking for a PF:

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Good market of PF in Denver for a team in need of a big. With the Millsap signing, Denver now has 6 power forwards.

He's counting Jokic, presumably, but:
Jokic
Millsap
Faried
Arthur
Lyles
Hernangomez

Hernangomez is the name to watch for -- after the draft last year, the Nuggets GM said that was the guy Ainge was trying to trade up from #16 to get (he went #15).

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 11:33:58 PM
Bobby Marks tweeted something relevant to those here looking for a PF:

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Good market of PF in Denver for a team in need of a big. With the Millsap signing, Denver now has 6 power forwards.

He's counting Jokic, presumably, but:
Jokic
Millsap
Faried
Arthur
Lyles
Hernangomez

Hernangomez is the name to watch for -- after the draft last year, the Nuggets GM said that was the guy Ainge was trying to trade up from #16 to get (he went #15).

If we'd get Hayward, I actually like the fit of Faried at the 4 for us. He's athletic, a great rebounder, and a decent defender from what I remember. He's not a perfect fit with his lack of spreading the floor, but at this point he'd be our best option if we're looking to get an actual starting caliber 4.

He'd come really cheap, too. It'd just be the salary needed to get him here, which would certainly include AB plus a bit more salary.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 02, 2017, 11:40:05 PM
Bobby Marks tweeted something relevant to those here looking for a PF:

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Good market of PF in Denver for a team in need of a big. With the Millsap signing, Denver now has 6 power forwards.

He's counting Jokic, presumably, but:
Jokic
Millsap
Faried
Arthur
Lyles
Hernangomez

Hernangomez is the name to watch for -- after the draft last year, the Nuggets GM said that was the guy Ainge was trying to trade up from #16 to get (he went #15).

If we'd get Hayward, I actually like the fit of Faried at the 4 for us. He's athletic, a great rebounder, and a decent defender from what I remember. He's not a perfect fit with his lack of spreading the floor, but at this point he'd be our best option if we're looking to get an actual starting caliber 4.

He'd come really cheap, too. It'd just be the salary needed to get him here, which would certainly include AB plus a bit more salary.

Beggars can't be choosers -- I'd be happy with any 1 of the 5.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 02, 2017, 11:42:26 PM
Was this posted? Reports: Grizzlies sign Ben McLemore to two-year, $10.7 million deal. It's a good deal by the Grizz to take a chance on McLemore...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 02, 2017, 11:52:56 PM
I love the Millsap deal. Great fit in Denver and a very reasonable contract in terms of money, years, and the team option.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2017, 11:55:25 PM
https://twitter.com/16WinsARing/status/881721371054661632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Flos-angeles-clippers

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Clippers "made a strong impression" on Danilo Gallinari following their meeting in Los Angeles today, per @wojespn.

I mean, this would make the Clippers quite a bit better, too, though that team has All-World Injury written all over it. That'd be yet another team to worry about in the West for Utah. Crazy.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MBunge on July 02, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 02, 2017, 11:58:45 PM
Ugh I don't like it for us. Another target gone as we keep waiting on Hayward..

We could have a 10-man rotation of Paul Milsaps, be 100 million over the cap, and we still wouldn't even be sniffing 18. He will be 36 at the end of this contract.

I don't really get the frustration of everyone wanting an overpriced FA when we can simply develop Tatum, Zizic, Yabusele, Ojeleye, Brown. If your argument is that Horford wants to win now and we risk alienating him by not throwing chips in, and hence ruin our chances with any other FAs down the road - fine. But to me, there isn't a single contract yet in this FA season, which I said "[dang], I wish we got that". Except of course Curry, and maybe that weird Daniel Theis contract (which I will assess when the details of that first year guarantee come out - hard to believe that Danny has guaranteed him first year cash at the risk of not being able to give Hayward EVERY SINGLE PENNY available).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2017, 01:24:53 AM
wojespn: Sources on @ESPN: Carmelo Anthony is now open to waiving no-trade clause for Houston or Cleveland. es.pn/2tgNpg3

Slightly surprised he's open to playing for Mike dantoni .
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PhoSita on July 03, 2017, 01:34:48 AM
wojespn: Sources on @ESPN: Carmelo Anthony is now open to waiving no-trade clause for Houston or Cleveland. es.pn/2tgNpg3

Slightly surprised he's open to playing for Mike dantoni .

Thankfully Boston isn't on that list.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PhoSita on July 03, 2017, 01:41:30 AM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Androslav on July 03, 2017, 03:43:49 AM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike

It also makes the East open for us for years to come and 2018 LA pick (2-5) more possible.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 03, 2017, 04:59:31 AM
>Free agent guard Justin Holiday has agreed to a two-year, $9 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell The Vertical.

i somehow missed on this yesterday
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: bopna on July 03, 2017, 05:32:15 AM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.

Why would Gallo not come back to that team?
Can they still pay him?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on July 03, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.

What if we trade Bradley and Crowder for Harris, Hernangomez and Faried?
Jokic can run the offense and the rest will bring great defense.

Hill - Bradley - Crowder - Millsap - Jokic

Bench: Murray, Barton, Chandler, Lyles, Plumlee.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2017, 07:28:53 AM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike
Yes, and free agents also want to go to teams that are stronger which are out West.  The logic hold for both players and teams if you simply pretend GS and CLE do not exist.  Wouldn't that be nice...  ???  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2017, 07:33:24 AM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike

It also makes the East open for us for years to come and 2018 LA pick (2-5) more possible.
Starting when, 2020?  Like I just said, we can't pretend LeBron does not exist.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: chilidawg on July 03, 2017, 08:21:51 AM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike

It also makes the East open for us for years to come and 2018 LA pick (2-5) more possible.
Starting when, 2020?  Like I just said, we can't pretend LeBron does not exist.

Can't just pretend he can't be beaten either.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 03, 2017, 08:25:57 AM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike

It also makes the East open for us for years to come and 2018 LA pick (2-5) more possible.
Starting when, 2020?  Like I just said, we can't pretend LeBron does not exist.

Can't just pretend he can't be beaten either.


Teams in the West are thinking they have a chance to beat the Warriors so why doesn't anyone in the East think they can beat one man in LeBron. I mean he is tired and he is defeated and might be ripe for the taking. His team is not improving. They have no assistant GM to help him. His whole team is getting older - Korver 3yr deal at age 36? They can be beat and the teams in the East just have to believe. The Celtics have to believe. Let's Go!!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2017, 08:48:33 AM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike

It also makes the East open for us for years to come and 2018 LA pick (2-5) more possible.
Starting when, 2020?  Like I just said, we can't pretend LeBron does not exist.

Can't just pretend he can't be beaten either.


Teams in the West are thinking they have a chance to beat the Warriors so why doesn't anyone in the East think they can beat one man in LeBron. I mean he is tired and he is defeated and might be ripe for the taking. His team is not improving. They have no assistant GM to help him. His whole team is getting older - Korver 3yr deal at age 36? They can be beat and the teams in the East just have to believe. The Celtics have to believe. Let's Go!!
So moving the conversation from pretending LeBron does not exist to pretending he can be beat is a step in the right direction.  However, the evidence is still not on your side.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: dreamgreen on July 03, 2017, 08:55:15 AM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.

Minny has put together a real nice team too, they just added Taj Gibson.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 03, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.

Minny has put together a real nice team too, they just added Taj Gibson.

The west is going to be savage this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 03, 2017, 02:51:32 PM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.

Minny has put together a real nice team too, they just added Taj Gibson.

The west is going to be savage this year.
Minny is probably the 6 seed out there if Hayward returns to Utah.

They could well be the 2 seed in the east.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2017, 03:06:23 PM
Hill - Harris - Chandler - Millsap - Jokic

That'd be one of my favorite starting lineups in the league.

With Murray, Barton, Lyles, Plumlee off the bench.

Not a contender, but a real fun team.

Minny has put together a real nice team too, they just added Taj Gibson.
Oh shoot, thought he would be real good on the C's.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nickagneta on July 03, 2017, 03:47:06 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 03, 2017, 03:54:06 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.
Wiggins and KAT could and probably should make substantial leaps.

I see them as the 6 seed ahead of Denver. ~45 wins.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 03, 2017, 03:57:32 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.

The west will be a blood bath this year and a least a couple of good teams will miss the playoffs. It could be so bad that they change the playoff seating rules and just seat the 16 best teams after this...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2017, 03:59:49 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.

The west will be a blood bath this year and a least a couple of good teams will miss the playoffs. It could be so bad that they change the playoff seating rules and just seat the 16 best teams after this...

At this point, they should revamp the playoff seeding.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 03, 2017, 04:01:56 PM
Suns waiving Leandro Barbosa. He would've been better for The CAVS than Jose Cailderon or Kyle Korver.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 03, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.

The west will be a blood bath this year and a least a couple of good teams will miss the playoffs. It could be so bad that they change the playoff seating rules and just seat the 16 best teams after this...

At this point, they should revamp the playoff seeding.


Why?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: loco_91 on July 03, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
We appear to have entered a vicious circle.  The West is more talented than the East, so Western teams have to be more aggressive in improving their rosters, which leads to them poaching talent from the East, which makes the East weaker and lessens the need to improve, which makes teams more likely to blow it up and trade their best vets to the West.

Mike

It also makes the East open for us for years to come and 2018 LA pick (2-5) more possible.
Starting when, 2020?  Like I just said, we can't pretend LeBron does not exist.

Can't just pretend he can't be beaten either.

Lebron as player/coach is Cavs biggest strength.

Lebron as GM will be the Cavs' downfall.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2017, 04:47:00 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.

The west will be a blood bath this year and a least a couple of good teams will miss the playoffs. It could be so bad that they change the playoff seating rules and just seat the 16 best teams after this...

At this point, they should revamp the playoff seeding.


Why?

Because it's a bit ridiculous there may be multiple teams out west could very well finish with winning records and not make the playoffs. I think it sucks for fanbases of teams that are trying to win to miss out.

Bigger picture, those teams that miss the playoffs end up right back in the lottery so young talent just gets funneled out west.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 03, 2017, 05:58:06 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.

The west will be a blood bath this year and a least a couple of good teams will miss the playoffs. It could be so bad that they change the playoff seating rules and just seat the 16 best teams after this...

At this point, they should revamp the playoff seeding.


Why?

Because it's a bit ridiculous there may be multiple teams out west could very well finish with winning records and not make the playoffs. I think it sucks for fanbases of teams that are trying to win to miss out.

Bigger picture, those teams that miss the playoffs end up right back in the lottery so young talent just gets funneled out west.

I never considered this point which is well taken.

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 03, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: beantownboy171 on July 03, 2017, 06:14:07 PM
Not getting the high seed finish for Minny. Yes they added Butler, Teague and Gibson but 3 out of their 5 starters and almost their entire bench are poor to awful defenders. They will score but I see them giving up lots of points too. With a Western Conference schedule they may only win about 40-44 games.

The west will be a blood bath this year and a least a couple of good teams will miss the playoffs. It could be so bad that they change the playoff seating rules and just seat the 16 best teams after this...

At this point, they should revamp the playoff seeding.


Why?

Because it's a bit ridiculous there may be multiple teams out west could very well finish with winning records and not make the playoffs. I think it sucks for fanbases of teams that are trying to win to miss out.

Bigger picture, those teams that miss the playoffs end up right back in the lottery so young talent just gets funneled out west.

I never considered this point which is well taken.
Yup and the teams that are truly terrible out West have to face higher competition on average than the same type of terrible team in the East. So they are far more likely to finish dead last than an identical roster in the eastern conference. Making it more likely that picks 1-3 end up belonging to a western conference team.

Which is good news for our LAL/SAC pick, possibly bad news for our BKN pick.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Birdman on July 03, 2017, 06:14:33 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
with all the tv and shoe deal, he wont complain
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 03, 2017, 06:15:36 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 03, 2017, 06:15:49 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
with all the tv and shoe deal, he wont complain

True, but he's saving Lacob a boatload of money in luxury tax payments.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 03, 2017, 06:16:09 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

Yep and yep.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 03, 2017, 06:24:08 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

I hope IT is taking note of this
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 03, 2017, 06:27:04 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.


Not all of them. What did Iggy sign for?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 03, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

I hope IT is taking note of this
Easier for everyone to talk paycuts when you are dominating the league.

Management of a dominant team is gonna be willing to pay some tax and guys on the squad are gonna be willing to take a pay cut. Don't expect that same willingness from a fringe contender.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 03, 2017, 06:29:35 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.


Not all of them. What did Iggy sign for?
Doesn't matter a player taking his market value is the norm. It's not really worth noting that two of their guys took market value when so many guys have taken paycuts.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on July 03, 2017, 06:30:12 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

Totally sucks that GS players are the ones becoming "team players" now ... I really wanted financial restrictions to cripple that team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

Yep and yep.
so that Curry can sign a world record contract?  It's just hard to imagine there won't be some jealousy there, esp if they don't win another ring next season.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 03, 2017, 06:36:14 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

Yep and yep.
so that Curry can sign a world record contract?  It's just hard to imagine there won't be some jealousy there, esp if they don't win another ring next season.

Jealousy how? He took a paycut, much less than people expected, so Iggy and S-Dot could be resigned to deals they would feel is appropriate, and for the Warriors to shave some lux tax bill.

If anything, it might prompt the rest of the team to take even less just to keep it together. Understand that Curry already took his massive discount, that allowed the Dubs to sign KD. Now KD is taking the discount. Who knows, Klay is next in line, and maybe he might take a paycut as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 03, 2017, 06:44:31 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

Yep and yep.
so that Curry can sign a world record contract?  It's just hard to imagine there won't be some jealousy there, esp if they don't win another ring next season.

Durant has a $300M contract with Nike. I doubt he minds.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2017, 07:18:39 PM
I think Durant did the math with some people and decided the paycut allows him to win more, which multiples his potential shoe sales. There's gotta be a weird explanation


This basically certifies warriors win the next 3 or so championships. Lebron has showed ZERO signs of taking a paycut. He advocates for pay raises and for the max to be abolished. He wanted curry be paid $400 million. He will never take a pay cut and for that greed he will pay by not winning anymore
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 03, 2017, 07:34:23 PM
I think Durant did the math with some people and decided the paycut allows him to win more, which multiples his potential shoe sales. There's gotta be a weird explanation


This basically certifies warriors win the next 3 or so championships. Lebron has showed ZERO signs of taking a paycut. He advocates for pay raises and for the max to be abolished. He wanted curry be paid $400 million. He will never take a pay cut and for that greed he will pay by not winning anymore

Not necessarily. I could see Durant go elsewhere after next year. He was on a 1+1, right?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on July 03, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
I think Durant did the math with some people and decided the paycut allows him to win more, which multiples his potential shoe sales. There's gotta be a weird explanation


This basically certifies warriors win the next 3 or so championships. Lebron has showed ZERO signs of taking a paycut. He advocates for pay raises and for the max to be abolished. He wanted curry be paid $400 million. He will never take a pay cut and for that greed he will pay by not winning anymore

 Lebron is an idiot personnel manager. The idea is multiple max stars surrounded by veteran role players, who take short money to win. But then he gets all buddy with his role players and gets them paid like stars until the franchise is jammed. I think Riley had the stones to stand up to Lebron better than anyone in Cleveland. Riley picked the coach too.

Players taking huge discounts foils the parity that is supposed to follow the cap/tax rules. Maybe the repeater tax will be what finally does them in.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2017, 08:10:44 PM
Dion Waiters to the Knicks for 3 years, $50m
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on July 03, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
Dion Waiters to the Knicks for 3 years, $50m

Apparently it is fake
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: mctyson on July 03, 2017, 08:11:37 PM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.

Wow.

$5M less than Jrue Holiday.


Wow.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Dion Waiters to the Knicks for 3 years, $50m

Apparently it is fake

Just about to correct it.

Fake Twitter got me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 03, 2017, 11:48:54 PM
Darren Collison 20/2 Pacers

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882025987864702978
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 03, 2017, 11:59:12 PM
Darren Collison 20/2 Pacers

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882025987864702978

So Pritchard stupidly trades him away to the Mavericks after the 11-12 season for the awful contract of Ian Mahinmi and opts to replace him with the infamous D.J. Augustine, only to sign Collison, umm, years later and after George has been traded for peanuts, to boot?  Will he be signing Hibbert and Hansbrough, too, lol? ::) ;D What a moron. 

Nope, I've got it - Gerald Green is his next target.  You know, because that worked out so well for the Pacers the first time around ::).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PhoSita on July 04, 2017, 12:50:15 AM
The Nuggets with Hill, Millsap, Jokic might be one of my favorite teams in the league now.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 01:06:15 AM
>Clippers, Hawks, Nuggets working on trade of Danillo Gallinari to LA/Millsap to DEN; Jamal Crawford/Diamond Stone/FRP to Atlanta.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/882092509744246786
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
Re my the last tweet, I had to pause for a sec bcs Millsap is already in Denver.

This is for saltlover really, but maybe Denver re-signs Gallinari and Atlanta Millsap, and then trade them. Everybody keeps bird rights.

edit in strikethrough
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 01:36:19 AM
> Clippers will likely part with first-round pick obtained via Houston in Paul trade. That would go to Atlanta in current framework.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882094124756762624
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 04, 2017, 01:47:48 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882105205835411456

Gallo trade close to completion. There goes Celtics plan D

Doc trades another young player, 2 if you count the 1st round pick, without ever playing him. Rivers refuses to develop young talent because it is hard.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 04, 2017, 01:53:03 AM
Darren Collison 20/2 Pacers

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882025987864702978

There seems to be a lot of money for Guards on the wrong side of 30 this year...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 02:02:40 AM
>Jamal Crawford has no plans to play in Atlanta if/when this thing gets finalized, I'm told. A buyout or a trade is considered necessary.

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/882096045978656768
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 02:15:59 AM
I totally missed that Harrell was included in the CP3 trade, just to be sure, I copy paste here all the relevant info

In the NBA's second blockbuster trade in less than a week, the Rockets acquired Paul from the Los Angeles Clippers on Wednesday in exchange for Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Kyle Wiltjer, a protected first-round pick next year and cash considerations. The Rockets acquired Hilliard from Detroit and Liggins from Dallas for cash considerations before adding them to the deal.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/28/chris-paul-trade-houston-rockets-la-clippers-opt
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 02:58:23 AM
Someone on reddit made a list of the still available FAs. I doubt it's 100% accurate, but it's useful.

Dirk Nowitzki PF 39 UFA DAL TBD - - - -
Derrick Rose PG 28 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Pau Gasol PF 36 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Gordon Hayward SF 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Jeff Green SF 30 UFA ORL TBD - - - -
Manu Ginobili SG 39 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Rajon Rondo PG 31 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
Rudy Gay SF 30 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Arron Afflalo SG 31 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Tyreke Evans SF 27 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Zach Randolph PF 35 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
Gerald Henderson SG 29 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
Tiago Splitter PF 32 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
Ersan Ilyasova SF 30 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Anthony Tolliver PF 32 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Sergio Rodriguez SG 31 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
George Hill PG 31 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Tyler Zeller C 27 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Festus Ezeli C 27 UFA POR TBD - - - -
Aron Baynes PF 30 UFA DET TBD - - - -
Patrick Patterson PF 28 UFA TOR TBD - - - -
Ramon Sessions PG 31 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Nikola Mirotic PF 26 RFA CHI TBD - - - -
Nick Young SF 32 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Tony Allen SG 35 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
Roy Hibbert C 30 UFA DEN TBD - - - -
Jonas Jerebko PF 30 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Mike Dunleavy SF 36 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Otto Porter Jr. SF 24 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
C.J. Miles SG 30 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Jordan Hill C 29 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Vince Carter SG 40 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
LaVoy Allen PF 28 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Kris Humphries PF 32 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Udonis Haslem PF 37 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
James Johnson PF 30 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Leandro Barbosa SG 34 UFA PHX TBD - - - -
Thabo Sefolosha SF 33 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Alex Len C 24 RFA PHX TBD - - - -
Nick Collison PF 36 UFA OKC TBD - - - -
Nerlens Noel C 23 RFA DAL TBD - - - -
Paul Pierce SF 39 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Brandon Rush SG 31 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Bojan Bogdanovic SF 28 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
Anthony Morrow SG 31 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
K.J. McDaniels SG 24 UFA BKN TBD - - - -
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG 24 RFA DET TBD - - -
Dante Cunningham PF 30 UFA NOP TBD - - - -
Dion Waiters SG 25 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Dewayne Dedmon C 27 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Zaza Pachulia C 33 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Trey Burke PG 24 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
Aaron Brooks PG 32 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Randy Foye SG 33 UFA BKN TBD - - - -
Shelvin Mack PG 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Kelly Olynyk C 26 RFA BOS TBD - - - -
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF 30 UFA LAC TBD - -
Shabazz Muhammad SF 24 UFA MIN TBD - - -
Adreian Payne PF 26 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
James Young SG 21 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Joffrey Lauvergne PF 25 RFA CHI TBD - - - -
Tyler Ennis PG 22 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Mason Plumlee C 27 RFA DEN TBD - - - -
David Lee PF 34 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Metta World Peace SF 37 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Brandon Bass PF 32 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Raymond Felton PG 33 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Jason Terry SG 39 UFA MIL TBD - - - -
James Jones SG 36 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Beno Udrih PG 34 UFA DET TBD - - - -
Tim Hardaway Jr. SG 25 RFA ATL TBD - - - -
Reggie Bullock SF 26 RFA DET TBD - - - -
Marreese Speights C 29 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Nando De Colo PG 30 RFA TOR TBD - - - -
Sasha Vujacic SG 33 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Gerald Green SG 31 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
JaVale McGee C 29 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Andre Roberson SG 25 RFA OKC TBD - - - -
Ty Lawson PG 29 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Alan Anderson SG 34 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Brandon Jennings PG 27 UFA WAS TBD - - - -
Luke Babbitt SF 28 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Isaiah Canaan PG 26 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
Willie Reed PF 27 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Brian Roberts PG 31 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Thomas Robinson PF 26 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Ian Clark SG 26 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Jeff Withey C 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Damjan Rudez SF 31 RFA ORL TBD - - - -
James McAdoo SF 24 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Christian Wood PF 21 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Michael Beasley SF 28 UFA MIL TBD - - - -
Darrun Hilliard II SF 24 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Mike Muscala PF 26 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Maurice N'dour PF 25 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Jonathon Simmons SG 27 RFA SAS TBD - - - -
Bobby Brown PG 32 RFA HOU TBD - - - -
JaMychal Green PF 27 RFA MEM TBD - - - -
Donatas Motiejunas PF 26 UFA NOP TBD - - - -
Joel Anthony C 34 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Alan Williams PF 24 RFA PHX TBD - - - -
Ronnie Price PG 34 UFA PHX TBD - - - -
Deron Williams PG 33 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Matt Barnes SF 37 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Norris Cole PG 28 UFA OKC TBD - - - -
Derrick Williams PF 26 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Omri Casspi SF 29 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Troy Williams SF 22 RFA HOU TBD - - - -
Dahntay Jones SF 36 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Alex Poythress SF 23 RFA PHI TBD - - - -
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 03:11:04 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/da9e09bd7640fee2a330359e93eba57b.png)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 04, 2017, 05:39:14 AM
Someone on reddit made a list of the still available FAs. I doubt it's 100% accurate, but it's useful.

Dirk Nowitzki PF 39 UFA DAL TBD - - - -
Derrick Rose PG 28 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Pau Gasol PF 36 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Gordon Hayward SF 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Jeff Green SF 30 UFA ORL TBD - - - -
Manu Ginobili SG 39 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Rajon Rondo PG 31 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
Rudy Gay SF 30 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Arron Afflalo SG 31 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Tyreke Evans SF 27 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Zach Randolph PF 35 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
Gerald Henderson SG 29 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
Tiago Splitter PF 32 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
Ersan Ilyasova SF 30 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Anthony Tolliver PF 32 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Sergio Rodriguez SG 31 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
George Hill PG 31 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Tyler Zeller C 27 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Festus Ezeli C 27 UFA POR TBD - - - -
Aron Baynes PF 30 UFA DET TBD - - - -
Patrick Patterson PF 28 UFA TOR TBD - - - -
Ramon Sessions PG 31 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Nikola Mirotic PF 26 RFA CHI TBD - - - -
Nick Young SF 32 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Tony Allen SG 35 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
Roy Hibbert C 30 UFA DEN TBD - - - -
Jonas Jerebko PF 30 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Mike Dunleavy SF 36 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Otto Porter Jr. SF 24 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
C.J. Miles SG 30 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Jordan Hill C 29 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Vince Carter SG 40 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
LaVoy Allen PF 28 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Kris Humphries PF 32 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Udonis Haslem PF 37 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
James Johnson PF 30 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Leandro Barbosa SG 34 UFA PHX TBD - - - -
Thabo Sefolosha SF 33 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Alex Len C 24 RFA PHX TBD - - - -
Nick Collison PF 36 UFA OKC TBD - - - -
Nerlens Noel C 23 RFA DAL TBD - - - -
Paul Pierce SF 39 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Brandon Rush SG 31 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Bojan Bogdanovic SF 28 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
Anthony Morrow SG 31 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
K.J. McDaniels SG 24 UFA BKN TBD - - - -
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG 24 RFA DET TBD - - -
Dante Cunningham PF 30 UFA NOP TBD - - - -
Dion Waiters SG 25 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Dewayne Dedmon C 27 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Zaza Pachulia C 33 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Trey Burke PG 24 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
Aaron Brooks PG 32 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Randy Foye SG 33 UFA BKN TBD - - - -
Shelvin Mack PG 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Kelly Olynyk C 26 RFA BOS TBD - - - -
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF 30 UFA LAC TBD - -
Shabazz Muhammad SF 24 UFA MIN TBD - - -
Adreian Payne PF 26 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
James Young SG 21 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Joffrey Lauvergne PF 25 RFA CHI TBD - - - -
Tyler Ennis PG 22 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Mason Plumlee C 27 RFA DEN TBD - - - -
David Lee PF 34 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Metta World Peace SF 37 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Brandon Bass PF 32 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Raymond Felton PG 33 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Jason Terry SG 39 UFA MIL TBD - - - -
James Jones SG 36 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Beno Udrih PG 34 UFA DET TBD - - - -
Tim Hardaway Jr. SG 25 RFA ATL TBD - - - -
Reggie Bullock SF 26 RFA DET TBD - - - -
Marreese Speights C 29 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Nando De Colo PG 30 RFA TOR TBD - - - -
Sasha Vujacic SG 33 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Gerald Green SG 31 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
JaVale McGee C 29 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Andre Roberson SG 25 RFA OKC TBD - - - -
Ty Lawson PG 29 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Alan Anderson SG 34 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Brandon Jennings PG 27 UFA WAS TBD - - - -
Luke Babbitt SF 28 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Isaiah Canaan PG 26 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
Willie Reed PF 27 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Brian Roberts PG 31 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Thomas Robinson PF 26 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Ian Clark SG 26 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Jeff Withey C 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Damjan Rudez SF 31 RFA ORL TBD - - - -
James McAdoo SF 24 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Christian Wood PF 21 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Michael Beasley SF 28 UFA MIL TBD - - - -
Darrun Hilliard II SF 24 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Mike Muscala PF 26 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Maurice N'dour PF 25 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Jonathon Simmons SG 27 RFA SAS TBD - - - -
Bobby Brown PG 32 RFA HOU TBD - - - -
JaMychal Green PF 27 RFA MEM TBD - - - -
Donatas Motiejunas PF 26 UFA NOP TBD - - - -
Joel Anthony C 34 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Alan Williams PF 24 RFA PHX TBD - - - -
Ronnie Price PG 34 UFA PHX TBD - - - -
Deron Williams PG 33 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Matt Barnes SF 37 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Norris Cole PG 28 UFA OKC TBD - - - -
Derrick Williams PF 26 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Omri Casspi SF 29 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Troy Williams SF 22 RFA HOU TBD - - - -
Dahntay Jones SF 36 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Alex Poythress SF 23 RFA PHI TBD - - - -

Dedmon, Baynes, Mo Speights would all come in handy
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 04, 2017, 05:43:00 AM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

I hope IT is taking note of this

Basically. Keep in mind that IT doesn't have 400 brazillion dollars worth of sponsors, but it goes to show what you need to do in this day in age to build a long term contender.

Manu has been taking paycuts for most of his career.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 04, 2017, 05:50:25 AM
Sam Amick confirms that Kevin Durant will be signing for $25M. Quite the discount.
Holy **** wasn't his max ~35 mil.

Warriors players are taking unprecedented paycuts.

I hope IT is taking note of this

Durant will be making as much this season as IT has for his entire career.  The better hope is that Al Horford is taking note of this when considering his player option and final contract.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 04, 2017, 05:55:47 AM
Someone on reddit made a list of the still available FAs. I doubt it's 100% accurate, but it's useful.

Dirk Nowitzki PF 39 UFA DAL TBD - - - -
Derrick Rose PG 28 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Pau Gasol PF 36 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Gordon Hayward SF 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Jeff Green SF 30 UFA ORL TBD - - - -
Manu Ginobili SG 39 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Rajon Rondo PG 31 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
Rudy Gay SF 30 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Arron Afflalo SG 31 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Tyreke Evans SF 27 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Zach Randolph PF 35 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
Gerald Henderson SG 29 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
Tiago Splitter PF 32 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
Ersan Ilyasova SF 30 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Anthony Tolliver PF 32 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Sergio Rodriguez SG 31 UFA PHI TBD - - - -
George Hill PG 31 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Tyler Zeller C 27 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Festus Ezeli C 27 UFA POR TBD - - - -
Aron Baynes PF 30 UFA DET TBD - - - -
Patrick Patterson PF 28 UFA TOR TBD - - - -
Ramon Sessions PG 31 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Nikola Mirotic PF 26 RFA CHI TBD - - - -
Nick Young SF 32 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Tony Allen SG 35 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
Roy Hibbert C 30 UFA DEN TBD - - - -
Jonas Jerebko PF 30 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Mike Dunleavy SF 36 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Otto Porter Jr. SF 24 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
C.J. Miles SG 30 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Jordan Hill C 29 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Vince Carter SG 40 UFA MEM TBD - - - -
LaVoy Allen PF 28 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Kris Humphries PF 32 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Udonis Haslem PF 37 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
James Johnson PF 30 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Leandro Barbosa SG 34 UFA PHX TBD - - - -
Thabo Sefolosha SF 33 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Alex Len C 24 RFA PHX TBD - - - -
Nick Collison PF 36 UFA OKC TBD - - - -
Nerlens Noel C 23 RFA DAL TBD - - - -
Paul Pierce SF 39 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Brandon Rush SG 31 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Bojan Bogdanovic SF 28 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
Anthony Morrow SG 31 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
K.J. McDaniels SG 24 UFA BKN TBD - - - -
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG 24 RFA DET TBD - - -
Dante Cunningham PF 30 UFA NOP TBD - - - -
Dion Waiters SG 25 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Dewayne Dedmon C 27 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Zaza Pachulia C 33 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Trey Burke PG 24 RFA WAS TBD - - - -
Aaron Brooks PG 32 UFA IND TBD - - - -
Randy Foye SG 33 UFA BKN TBD - - - -
Shelvin Mack PG 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Kelly Olynyk C 26 RFA BOS TBD - - - -
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF 30 UFA LAC TBD - -
Shabazz Muhammad SF 24 UFA MIN TBD - - -
Adreian Payne PF 26 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
James Young SG 21 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
Joffrey Lauvergne PF 25 RFA CHI TBD - - - -
Tyler Ennis PG 22 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Mason Plumlee C 27 RFA DEN TBD - - - -
David Lee PF 34 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Metta World Peace SF 37 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Brandon Bass PF 32 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Raymond Felton PG 33 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Jason Terry SG 39 UFA MIL TBD - - - -
James Jones SG 36 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Beno Udrih PG 34 UFA DET TBD - - - -
Tim Hardaway Jr. SG 25 RFA ATL TBD - - - -
Reggie Bullock SF 26 RFA DET TBD - - - -
Marreese Speights C 29 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Nando De Colo PG 30 RFA TOR TBD - - - -
Sasha Vujacic SG 33 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Gerald Green SG 31 UFA BOS TBD - - - -
JaVale McGee C 29 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Andre Roberson SG 25 RFA OKC TBD - - - -
Ty Lawson PG 29 UFA SAC TBD - - - -
Alan Anderson SG 34 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Brandon Jennings PG 27 UFA WAS TBD - - - -
Luke Babbitt SF 28 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Isaiah Canaan PG 26 UFA CHI TBD - - - -
Willie Reed PF 27 UFA MIA TBD - - - -
Brian Roberts PG 31 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Thomas Robinson PF 26 UFA LAL TBD - - - -
Ian Clark SG 26 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Jeff Withey C 27 UFA UTH TBD - - - -
Damjan Rudez SF 31 RFA ORL TBD - - - -
James McAdoo SF 24 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Christian Wood PF 21 UFA CHA TBD - - - -
Michael Beasley SF 28 UFA MIL TBD - - - -
Darrun Hilliard II SF 24 UFA LAC TBD - - - -
Mike Muscala PF 26 UFA ATL TBD - - - -
Maurice N'dour PF 25 UFA NYK TBD - - - -
Jonathon Simmons SG 27 RFA SAS TBD - - - -
Bobby Brown PG 32 RFA HOU TBD - - - -
JaMychal Green PF 27 RFA MEM TBD - - - -
Donatas Motiejunas PF 26 UFA NOP TBD - - - -
Joel Anthony C 34 UFA SAS TBD - - - -
Alan Williams PF 24 RFA PHX TBD - - - -
Ronnie Price PG 34 UFA PHX TBD - - - -
Deron Williams PG 33 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Matt Barnes SF 37 UFA GSW TBD - - - -
Norris Cole PG 28 UFA OKC TBD - - - -
Derrick Williams PF 26 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Omri Casspi SF 29 UFA MIN TBD - - - -
Troy Williams SF 22 RFA HOU TBD - - - -
Dahntay Jones SF 36 UFA CLE TBD - - - -
Alex Poythress SF 23 RFA PHI TBD - - - -

TP for the list :).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 04, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
Re my the last tweet, I had to pause for a sec bcs Millsap is already in Denver.

This is for saltlover really, but maybe Denver re-signs Gallinari and Atlanta Millsap, and then trade them. Everybody keeps bird rights.

edit in strikethrough

He hasn't been signed yet. Nothing is official until Thursday, so he can still be included in a sign and trade.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MaxAMillion on July 04, 2017, 09:43:35 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882105205835411456

Gallo trade close to completion. There goes Celtics plan D

Doc trades another young player, 2 if you count the 1st round pick, without ever playing him. Rivers refuses to develop young talent because it is hard.

What evidence is there that Doc is the one making the deal?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 04, 2017, 10:48:38 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882105205835411456

Gallo trade close to completion. There goes Celtics plan D

Doc trades another young player, 2 if you count the 1st round pick, without ever playing him. Rivers refuses to develop young talent because it is hard.

What evidence is there that Doc is the one making the deal?

He's the GM
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 04, 2017, 01:17:22 PM
George Hill to Sacramento for 3 years, $57m.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 04, 2017, 01:21:00 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882105205835411456

Gallo trade close to completion. There goes Celtics plan D

Doc trades another young player, 2 if you count the 1st round pick, without ever playing him. Rivers refuses to develop young talent because it is hard.

What evidence is there that Doc is the one making the deal?

He's the GM
Guy named Jerry West in the mix now...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 04, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
George Hill to Sacramento for 3 years, $57m.

Ah, Sacramento Kings. Never change. Never ever change.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 04, 2017, 01:24:52 PM
Zbo to kings
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 04, 2017, 01:26:33 PM
I'm sorry, but Shams Charania's Twitter feed is on fire with him looking like he's taking over Woj for the breaking stuff.

I saw this. . .

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6CaIcVwAA4csa.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 04, 2017, 01:30:29 PM
Zach Randolph to the Kings. 2 Years/24M.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 04, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
Zach Randolph to the Kings. 2 Years/24M.

Great news for the Lakers pick, because they should be firmly ahead of the Lakers at this point with ZBo and Hill signed.

Now it'll just be down to Phoenix, who should be better than LA, and some of the Eastern Conference teams for competition of the worst in the league.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 04, 2017, 01:36:01 PM
Are the Kings like a serious basketball team all of a sudden?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on July 04, 2017, 01:54:32 PM
Are the Kings like a serious basketball team all of a sudden?

Smart moves. Getting some veteran pieces with lots of experience and good mentality, who still play at a high level on short contracts to teach the young ones. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 04, 2017, 01:57:16 PM
George Hill really miscalculated turning down an extension.  Utah allegedly offered over $20 million per year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on July 04, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Are the Kings like a serious basketball team all of a sudden?


no. But a bottom 5 type team anymore
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 04, 2017, 02:02:28 PM
Zach Randolph to the Kings. 2 Years/24M.

Great news for the Lakers pick, because they should be firmly ahead of the Lakers at this point with ZBo and Hill signed.

Now it'll just be down to Phoenix, who should be better than LA, and some of the Eastern Conference teams for competition of the worst in the league.
We want LAL to be 2nd worst so the pick conveys and Nets to be worst.  That gives us #1 and #2.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 04, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
George Hill really miscalculated turning down an extension.  Utah allegedly offered over $20 million per year.

I mean, he's getting nearly the same money at $19M per year, just on a squad that won't win nearly as much as Utah.

However, we should be glad about this, because that might ultimately be what pushes Hayward here.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 04, 2017, 02:17:40 PM
George Hill really miscalculated turning down an extension.  Utah allegedly offered over $20 million per year.

I mean, he's getting nearly the same money at $19M per year, just on a squad that won't win nearly as much as Utah.

However, we should be glad about this, because that might ultimately be what pushes Hayward here.

He turned down 4 years, $80m from Utah. He's only getting the first 2 years of his deal with Sacramento fully guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on July 04, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Are the Kings like a serious basketball team all of a sudden?
Hill and Randolph went for the last paycheck. Kings have to give the money somewhere. The west is going to be loaded. These two don't like to lose. But we hope the do the following year. Hill not being a  Laker helps us with our pick, IMO he is better than Rondo.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2017, 02:50:13 PM
I think signing Hill is a bad move from the Kings. He's a good PG who can lead some of this young talent. They'll win some games with that signing. They should really have been focusing on playing the youngsters a lot and losing as much as possible this season.

Zach Randolph is a signing I like more because I think he's washed. He'll be a nice presence for the team but won't get them more wins.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 04, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
Otto Porter 4 years $106m to Kings. I assume Wiz will match.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 04, 2017, 03:30:52 PM
Otto Porter 4 years $106m to Kings. I assume Wiz will match.
I would think so but if not the Kings might be a playoff team next year
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: mahcus smaht on July 04, 2017, 03:33:46 PM
Otto Porter 4 years $106m to Kings. I assume Wiz will match.
I would think so but if not the Kings might be a playoff team next year
lol not in the west by a long shot.

gsw
Sas
Hou
OKC
Minny
Den
Portland
Lac
Are all substantially better.

Utah and Nola might be as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on July 04, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
Could the Celtics sign TA to a vet minimum deal?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery just tweeted:

Quote
JaMychal’s agent, Michael Hodges: "I’m looking at two offer sheets & sign-and-trades. Seems to us Memphis is going in a different direction”

I wonder if the C's are one of the S&T's.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 04, 2017, 04:28:18 PM
Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery just tweeted:

Quote
JaMychal’s agent, Michael Hodges: "I’m looking at two offer sheets & sign-and-trades. Seems to us Memphis is going in a different direction”

I wonder if the C's are one of the S&T's.

Very interesting.

I do wonder how that would work with Hayward, though? Could we sign Green to an offer sheet first, and then once it clears do some sort of sign and trade with Utah?

I'm not sure, because that would involve cooperation and patience that I'm not sure we'll get.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 04, 2017, 04:29:41 PM
Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery just tweeted:

Quote
JaMychal’s agent, Michael Hodges: "I’m looking at two offer sheets & sign-and-trades. Seems to us Memphis is going in a different direction”

I wonder if the C's are one of the S&T's.

Very interesting.

I do wonder how that would work with Hayward, though? Could we sign Green to an offer sheet first, and then once it clears do some sort of sign and trade with Utah?

I'm not sure, because that would involve cooperation and patience that I'm not sure we'll get.

Cooperation and patience...Just remember what happened last time when a team had no cooperation and patience to send Paul George over.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on July 04, 2017, 04:39:09 PM
Hayward is supposedly signing with the Celtics.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 04, 2017, 04:40:42 PM
Hayward is supposedly signing with the Celtics.

Where did you here that? Sources.  :police:
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2017, 05:31:49 PM
Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery just tweeted:

Quote
JaMychal’s agent, Michael Hodges: "I’m looking at two offer sheets & sign-and-trades. Seems to us Memphis is going in a different direction”

I wonder if the C's are one of the S&T's.

Very interesting.

I do wonder how that would work with Hayward, though? Could we sign Green to an offer sheet first, and then once it clears do some sort of sign and trade with Utah?

I'm not sure, because that would involve cooperation and patience that I'm not sure we'll get.
Could we sign Hayward and then S&T for Green? I guess it depends on how much money Green is going to get and what the Celtics are willing to send out to match salary for a fringe starter.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on July 04, 2017, 05:33:59 PM
The Kings are screwing up the 2019 pick. It's all on the Lakers to suck next year now.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 04, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery just tweeted:

Quote
JaMychal’s agent, Michael Hodges: "I’m looking at two offer sheets & sign-and-trades. Seems to us Memphis is going in a different direction”

I wonder if the C's are one of the S&T's.

Very interesting.

I do wonder how that would work with Hayward, though? Could we sign Green to an offer sheet first, and then once it clears do some sort of sign and trade with Utah?

I'm not sure, because that would involve cooperation and patience that I'm not sure we'll get.
Could we sign Hayward and then S&T for Green? I guess it depends on how much money Green is going to get and what the Celtics are willing to send out to match salary for a fringe starter.

That's probably more doable than the other way around, since Green will get significantly less money. I'm not sure how S&T's work with restricted free agents or if they work any differently at all.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 04, 2017, 06:47:58 PM
The Kings are screwing up the 2019 pick. It's all on the Lakers to suck next year now.
Yes it is, but so far they are cooperating nicely.  I personally would prefer 2 top-5 picks in 2018 than 1 top-5 in 2018 and a crap shoot in 2019 when both Philly and Sac could be a lot better.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 04, 2017, 07:36:30 PM
Meanwhile, Omri Casspi signs a 1 year deal to join the Warriors.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 04, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Meanwhile, Omri Casspi signs a 1 year deal to join the Warriors.

Dang! That is a good signing. Gives GSW much more SF/PF depth. More small ball lineups!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on July 04, 2017, 08:03:05 PM
To make it official for this thread....

Hayward to sign with Boston!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nickagneta on July 04, 2017, 08:57:17 PM
To makeit official....Kelly Olynyk, James Young and Jordan Mickey will be signing with any team but the Celtics. 😁
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 04, 2017, 09:40:11 PM
Quote
RFA Otto Porter has reached agreement on a four-year, $104M max deal with Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/882413029400424449

Gotta hope Washington matches.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 04, 2017, 09:57:00 PM
Quote
RFA Otto Porter has reached agreement on a four-year, $104M max deal with Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/882413029400424449

Gotta hope Washington matches.

Yeah. Cap Washington out, AND make the Nets stay bad.

PLEASE MATCH IT WASHINGTON!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 04, 2017, 10:00:34 PM
Quote
RFA Otto Porter has reached agreement on a four-year, $104M max deal with Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/882413029400424449

Gotta hope Washington matches.

Yeah. Cap Washington out, AND make the Nets stay bad.

PLEASE MATCH IT WASHINGTON!

This is great for us. Not only will Washington almost assuredly match, but Porter was Utah's target with Hayward gone now. Now we might be able to get Favors for them for something like Crowder and AB.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 04, 2017, 10:08:51 PM
Quote
Free agent forward Patrick Patterson has agreed to a three-year, $16.4M  deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882420105191325696

Excellent deal and excellent fit. What an offseason by Sam Presti.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Jvalin on July 04, 2017, 10:12:51 PM
Quote
Free agent forward Patrick Patterson has agreed to a three-year, $16.4M  deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882420105191325696

Excellent deal and excellent fit. What an offseason by Sam Presti.
Ugh, I was hoping we could somehow sign Patterson. He would have been a great fit next to Horford. :(
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 04, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
To makeit official....Kelly Olynyk, James Young and Jordan Mickey will be signing with any team but the Celtics. 😁

I will miss Kelly somewhat but who are the other two?

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
Casspi to GSW for 1 year

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882378338697961472


posted earlier
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 04, 2017, 11:47:38 PM
To makeit official....Kelly Olynyk, James Young and Jordan Mickey will be signing with any team but the Celtics. 😁

I will miss Kelly somewhat but who are the other two?
there the guys who occasionally handed out gatorade to teammates on the bench
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 05, 2017, 12:21:03 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19834721/danilo-gallinari-heads-la-clippers-part-3-team-sign-trade-deal


Gallo sent to clippers

Our pick is in good hands!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 05, 2017, 08:28:22 AM
Quote
Free agent forward Patrick Patterson has agreed to a three-year, $16.4M  deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882420105191325696

Excellent deal and excellent fit. What an offseason by Sam Presti.

That is a bloody brilliant signing. Big upgrade to their shooting ability. Get a PF in there so that Paul George doesn't have to play there. Good athlete. I love the quickness and athleticism from PG-PF with Westbrook, Roberson, George and Patterson. Let Adams man the paint behind all that size, length and foot-speed.

OKC still have two bigs problems holding them back from being a contender:

(1) Lack of big man passing = Adams + Patterson both deficient
(2) Lack of shooting at SG = doubly important due to Adams being a bad shooter.

But at least they'll be fun again next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: colincb on July 05, 2017, 02:06:26 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  8m8 minutes ago

 Free agent guard Nick Young has agreed to a one-year, $5.2M deal with the Golden State Warriors, agent Mark Bartelstein tells ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2017, 02:16:28 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  8m8 minutes ago

 Free agent guard Nick Young has agreed to a one-year, $5.2M deal with the Golden State Warriors, agent Mark Bartelstein tells ESPN.

I really don't think this moves the needle for them at all and they would have been better served adding a big for depth instead of another shooter. He only takes minutes away from Clark and Mccaw who were two of their more promising young players on cheap contracts. However, it is also fairly irrelevant also because they are so good they don't NEED anything.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 05, 2017, 02:50:42 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 05, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Monta "Have It All" Ellis is back on the market
Quote
Shams Charania ‏Verified account @ShamsCharania  41m41 minutes ago
More
 Indiana has waived guard Monta Ellis, league sources tell The Vertical.

Dion back to Miami
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏Verified account @wojespn  17m17 minutes ago
More
 Free agent guard Dion Waiters is finalizing a deal with the Miami Heat, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2017, 05:57:40 PM
Monta "Have It All" Ellis is back on the market
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Shams Charania ‏Verified account @ShamsCharania  41m41 minutes ago
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 Indiana has waived guard Monta Ellis, league sources tell The Vertical.

Dion back to Miami
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏Verified account @wojespn  17m17 minutes ago
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 Free agent guard Dion Waiters is finalizing a deal with the Miami Heat, league sources tell ESPN.

Ellis has really fallen off a cliff the last few years. Wonder what kind of contrac the would get.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 05, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
Dion back to Miami
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏Verified account @wojespn  17m17 minutes ago
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 Free agent guard Dion Waiters is finalizing a deal with the Miami Heat, league sources tell ESPN.

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Michael Scotto ✔ @MikeAScotto
Sources: Miami Heat and Dion Waiters are discussing a 4-year, $52 million deal.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 05, 2017, 06:28:44 PM
Good that waiters went to heat. If he went to lakers wouldn't have been great for the pick. Not that he's amazing or anything
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 05, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?

Why not?

40% 3PT shooter last year. Improved defensively. Another 6'7" dude to add to an already lengthy team.

He could easily take Ian Clark's minutes.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 05, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
Good that waiters went to heat. If he went to lakers wouldn't have been great for the pick. Not that he's amazing or anything
My thoughts exactly. Margin of error is small on that pick. One decent player could be the difference between a bottom 4 team and a bottom 7 team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 05, 2017, 06:41:21 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?

Why not?

40% 3PT shooter last year. Improved defensively. Another 6'7" dude to add to an already lengthy team.

He could easily take Ian Clark's minutes.

Yeah, I don't mind the deal for them. They've shown they can manage "knuckleheads" i.e. Javale McGee and Matt Barnes. They probably got solid intel from Luke Walton on his locker room behavior.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 05, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?

Why not?

40% 3PT shooter last year. Improved defensively. Another 6'7" dude to add to an already lengthy team.

He could easily take Ian Clark's minutes.

Because he's a complete knucklehead that adds nothing but shooting. I'd rather reward my loyal guys.

Casspi is a better player than Nick Young.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 05, 2017, 06:59:09 PM
Nick Young is fine and all ... but if I am Kevin Durant, I'd rather have my $5 million.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2017, 07:28:46 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?

Why not?

40% 3PT shooter last year. Improved defensively. Another 6'7" dude to add to an already lengthy team.

He could easily take Ian Clark's minutes.

Because he's a complete knucklehead that adds nothing but shooting. I'd rather reward my loyal guys.

Casspi is a better player than Nick Young.

Yea I agree with all of this. Some team that was desperate for scoring maybe it is worth bringing in Young and hope he doesn't act like a moron. For a team that has plenty of scoring at the guard spots and some promising young guys that played roles last year (mccaw, clark) this seems like a waste. Then again, does any of this matter. It is not like this hurts their title odds.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 05, 2017, 07:51:38 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?

Why not?

40% 3PT shooter last year. Improved defensively. Another 6'7" dude to add to an already lengthy team.

He could easily take Ian Clark's minutes.

Because he's a complete knucklehead that adds nothing but shooting. I'd rather reward my loyal guys.

Casspi is a better player than Nick Young.

They have both.

Also, we can say the same with JaVale McGee, a complete knucklehead who adds nothing but athleticism, but has flourished with Golden State. Ian Clark is nice and all, but he's undersized. And this moves tells us that they don't think Pat McCaw is ready just yet, otherwise they would have not signed Swaggy P.

Besides, it's a one year deal, if he indeed becomes a knucklehead, they just cut him. This is also  a locker room full of guys who's sole focus is to win. Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala and David West are not the guys you want to be fooling around with.


Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RebusRankin on July 05, 2017, 07:52:24 PM
Nick Young just adds to Golden State's ability to outscore teams which is clearly their goal.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 05, 2017, 09:42:22 PM
Anyone else surprised at how litle Dion Waiters got for his contract? How do you think it affects our guards (AB, IT, Smart)?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 05, 2017, 09:45:28 PM
Nick Young is fine and all ... but if I am Kevin Durant, I'd rather have my $5 million.
kevin has a 9 figure deal with Nike and a separate 9 figure deal with the team. Something tells me 5 mill isn't worth thinking about
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: blink on July 05, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Durant, Iguodala and Livingston took less money in part so that the Warriors could add Nick Young?

Why not?

40% 3PT shooter last year. Improved defensively. Another 6'7" dude to add to an already lengthy team.

He could easily take Ian Clark's minutes.

Because he's a complete knucklehead that adds nothing but shooting. I'd rather reward my loyal guys.

Casspi is a better player than Nick Young.

Yeah I don't get the Nick Young signing at ALL for GS.  He is a me me me player that doesn't seem to fit GS's culture.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 05, 2017, 10:00:30 PM
James Young practicing with the Pelicans

https://twitter.com/pelicansnba/status/882646291217620992
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 05, 2017, 10:40:09 PM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 05, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 05, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.

Outside of Durant, he's had an unbelievable year+. Ibaka trade, Grant trade, Payne trade, PG, PatPat, Roberson. Unreal.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2017, 11:35:46 PM
Anyone else surprised at how litle Dion Waiters got for his contract? How do you think it affects our guards (AB, IT, Smart)?

No, Waiters couldn't get hardly anything in free agency last year.  He has a good half season, but a lot of teams certainly remember his first four seasons of chucking, and were likely wary of giving him a big deal.

It's still starter money -- it's just not top-3-on-a-team money.  And that seems correct to me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 05, 2017, 11:40:50 PM
Anyone else surprised at how litle Dion Waiters got for his contract? How do you think it affects our guards (AB, IT, Smart)?

No, Waiters couldn't get hardly anything in free agency last year.  He has a good half season, but a lot of teams certainly remember his first four seasons of chucking, and were likely wary of giving him a big deal.

It's still starter money -- it's just not top-3-on-a-team money.  And that seems correct to me.

I was surprised he got so much. I was fully expecting him to settle for one year, big money from someone like the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jdz101 on July 06, 2017, 12:58:33 AM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.

Outside of Durant, he's had an unbelievable year+. Ibaka trade, Grant trade, Payne trade, PG, PatPat, Roberson. Unreal.

Yeah but they're a whole bunch of small trades for relatively inconsequential pieces other than 12 months of Paul George.

Considering he traded Ibaka for that Sabonis/Oladipo pack and signed Oladipo to that giant deal 12 months ago, he then flipped all that for a rental that isn't really going to achieve much going into the future.

OKC are going to be in a world of hurt next offseason when Westbrook and George walk out the door.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 01:05:57 AM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.

Outside of Durant, he's had an unbelievable year+. Ibaka trade, Grant trade, Payne trade, PG, PatPat, Roberson. Unreal.

Yeah but they're a whole bunch of small trades for relatively inconsequential pieces other than 12 months of Paul George.

Considering he traded Ibaka for that Sabonis/Oladipo pack and signed Oladipo to that giant deal 12 months ago, he then flipped all that for a rental that isn't really going to achieve much going into the future.

OKC are going to be in a world of hurt next offseason when Westbrook and George walk out the door.

A lot of small moves make a difference. Taking on Tyler Zeller in a salary dump was a small move; we have Isaiah Thomas because of that small move.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 06, 2017, 05:21:38 AM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.

Outside of Durant, he's had an unbelievable year+. Ibaka trade, Grant trade, Payne trade, PG, PatPat, Roberson. Unreal.

Yeah but they're a whole bunch of small trades for relatively inconsequential pieces other than 12 months of Paul George.

Considering he traded Ibaka for that Sabonis/Oladipo pack and signed Oladipo to that giant deal 12 months ago, he then flipped all that for a rental that isn't really going to achieve much going into the future.

OKC are going to be in a world of hurt next offseason when if Westbrook and George walk out the door.
Fixed for you
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: chambers on July 06, 2017, 06:45:04 AM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.

Outside of Durant, he's had an unbelievable year+. Ibaka trade, Grant trade, Payne trade, PG, PatPat, Roberson. Unreal.

Yeah but they're a whole bunch of small trades for relatively inconsequential pieces other than 12 months of Paul George.

Considering he traded Ibaka for that Sabonis/Oladipo pack and signed Oladipo to that giant deal 12 months ago, he then flipped all that for a rental that isn't really going to achieve much going into the future.

OKC are going to be in a world of hurt next offseason when Westbrook and George walk out the door.
He'll still be able to flip both of them for assets.
Hell he might even trade PG13 to us.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 08:16:31 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2017, 08:17:39 PM
I like it. Should give a nice scoring punch.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: JBcat on July 06, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

That should increase the trade value Crowder even more.  Not many quality SFs left in the FA market.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on July 06, 2017, 08:20:20 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

I predict his lackadaisical effort on D lasts about 5 games with Pop.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 06, 2017, 08:20:38 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.
Helps them go small with Aldridge at center alongside two big SFs who can score. Makes them pretty tough to matchup against ... if Rudy Gay can recover enough.

Great change-of-lineup option off the bench. To go from big to small like that.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on July 06, 2017, 08:22:43 PM
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Andre Roberson has agreed to a new three-year, $30M deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321

Nice deal for OKC.

Sam Presti is having a terrific offseason.

Outside of Durant, he's had an unbelievable year+. Ibaka trade, Grant trade, Payne trade, PG, PatPat, Roberson. Unreal.

Yeah but they're a whole bunch of small trades for relatively inconsequential pieces other than 12 months of Paul George.

Considering he traded Ibaka for that Sabonis/Oladipo pack and signed Oladipo to that giant deal 12 months ago, he then flipped all that for a rental that isn't really going to achieve much going into the future.

OKC are going to be in a world of hurt next offseason when if Westbrook and George walk out the door.
Fixed for you

It's a gamble he has to take unfortunately. Not putting another star around Westbrook guarantees that Westbrook leaves. I think Presti is hoping PG and Westbrook will feel something about this team and want to stay.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 06, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

Seems really cheap
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 08:27:40 PM
Speaking of baffling, Sacramento signed Vince Carter for 1/8. They do know they own their pick this year, no?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2017, 08:29:59 PM
Kings continue to sign older guys to mentor.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: bdm860 on July 06, 2017, 08:35:22 PM
Speaking of baffling, Sacramento signed Vince Carter for 1/8. They do know they own their pick this year, no?

Thought for sure Carter would go ring chasing.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 06, 2017, 08:38:40 PM
Speaking of baffling, Sacramento signed Vince Carter for 1/8. They do know they own their pick this year, no?

They got to fill the arena. Vince carter is still a draw.   
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 06, 2017, 08:42:33 PM
Vlade Divac believes in winning. Not losing on purpose to get better draft picks.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
Vlade Divac believes in winning. Not losing on purpose to get better draft picks.

Alright, then his team is going to stay terrible.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 06, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
Speaking of baffling, Sacramento signed Vince Carter for 1/8. They do know they own their pick this year, no?

They got to fill the arena. Vince carter is still a draw.

I donyonow what I find more surprising, that the Kings signed him, or that he wanted to play for the Kings.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 06, 2017, 08:50:36 PM
Vlade Divac believes in winning. Not losing on purpose to get better draft picks.

Alright, then his team is going to stay terrible.

Yep.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on July 06, 2017, 08:52:04 PM
Speaking of baffling, Sacramento signed Vince Carter for 1/8. They do know they own their pick this year, no?

Thought for sure Carter would go ring chasing.

OKC would've been interesting.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: bdm860 on July 06, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
Speaking of baffling, Sacramento signed Vince Carter for 1/8. They do know they own their pick this year, no?

They got to fill the arena. Vince carter is still a draw.

I donyonow what I find more surprising, that the Kings signed him, or that he wanted to play for the Kings.

With both Carter and Randolph signing there, makes me think they really liked playing for Joerger while they were all in Memphis.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 11:02:20 PM
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There is a player option in the final year of James Johnson's four year, $60 million deal with Miami.

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/883158799334252544

Oh boy. I know he was really good last year, but that deal is going to be rough in a year or two.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 06, 2017, 11:04:26 PM
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There is a player option in the final year of James Johnson's four year, $60 million deal with Miami.

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/883158799334252544

Oh boy. I know he was really good last year, but that deal is going to be rough in a year or two.

Miami really throwing around the cash.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 11:12:46 PM
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Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 06, 2017, 11:16:43 PM
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Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Is that an overpay or underpay
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 06, 2017, 11:16:59 PM
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Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Who are these teams bidding against?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 11:19:25 PM
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Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Is that an overpay or underpay

Otherworldly overpay. Hardaway is a nice player, but jeeeeeeez.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 11:21:01 PM
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Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Who are these teams bidding against?

Your guess is as good as mine. For the record, my guess is absolutely no one; the Knicks are just a joke.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
And it gets WORSE:

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With @wojespn, Knicks' offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. contains a 15% trade kicker, league sources told ESPN. 4th year is a player option.

https://twitter.com/ianbegley/status/883163984836255745

I am so sorry, Knicks fans.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 06, 2017, 11:26:46 PM
And it gets WORSE:

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With @wojespn, Knicks' offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. contains a 15% trade kicker, league sources told ESPN. 4th year is a player option.

https://twitter.com/ianbegley/status/883163984836255745

I am so sorry, Knicks fans.

Wasn't he originally on the Knicks and traded away to Atlanta?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on July 06, 2017, 11:28:54 PM
You can always count in the Knicks to do something rash and stupid. Like clockwork.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: kraidstar on July 06, 2017, 11:31:24 PM
And it gets WORSE:

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With @wojespn, Knicks' offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. contains a 15% trade kicker, league sources told ESPN. 4th year is a player option.

https://twitter.com/ianbegley/status/883163984836255745

I am so sorry, Knicks fans.

Don't be, there's a silver lining: they won't be watching Derrick Rose dog it on defense any more.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/883162294250766337
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 06, 2017, 11:32:29 PM
And it gets WORSE:

Quote
With @wojespn, Knicks' offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. contains a 15% trade kicker, league sources told ESPN. 4th year is a player option.

https://twitter.com/ianbegley/status/883163984836255745

I am so sorry, Knicks fans.

Wasn't he originally on the Knicks and traded away to Atlanta?
Yes, correct.  Anything that keeps NYK ahead of BKN is fine by me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: blink on July 06, 2017, 11:32:49 PM
And it gets WORSE:

Quote
With @wojespn, Knicks' offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. contains a 15% trade kicker, league sources told ESPN. 4th year is a player option.

https://twitter.com/ianbegley/status/883163984836255745

I am so sorry, Knicks fans.

and we have the balls to complain about DA sometimes....oh my
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 06, 2017, 11:35:17 PM
Rudy gay: 2 yr $17 mill
Hardaway Jr: 4 yr  $71 mill
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 06, 2017, 11:37:06 PM
Rudy gay: 2 yr $17 mill
Hardaway Jr: 4 yr  $71 mill

Rudy Gay, if healthy, adds a lot to The Spurs.
Who else was going to give Hardaway JR that kind of cash. It reminds me of The Evan Turner deal....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
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Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Who are these teams bidding against?

Your guess is as good as mine. For the record, my guess is absolutely no one; the Knicks are just a joke.
He's a restricted free agent.  If they make a reasonable offer, Atlanta would just match it after waiting a couple days to keep the Knicks cap space tied up. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 06, 2017, 11:45:57 PM
Quote
Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Who are these teams bidding against?

Your guess is as good as mine. For the record, my guess is absolutely no one; the Knicks are just a joke.
He's a restricted free agent.  If they make a reasonable offer, Atlanta would just match it after waiting a couple days to keep the Knicks cap space tied up.

I know. That doesn't make signing THJ to this contract a good idea.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 06, 2017, 11:48:52 PM
Quote
Story with @Ianbegley: Restricted free agent Tim Hardaway Jr., has signed a 4-year, $71M offer sheet with New York.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883161190817341440

WHAT THE *******************************************

Who are these teams bidding against?

Your guess is as good as mine. For the record, my guess is absolutely no one; the Knicks are just a joke.
He's a restricted free agent.  If they make a reasonable offer, Atlanta would just match it after waiting a couple days to keep the Knicks cap space tied up.

I know. That doesn't make signing THJ to this contract a good idea.

How one man can be so rich and so dumb...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 06, 2017, 11:58:50 PM
It's probably in our best interest to have Atlanta match in this case. As long as Carmelo and Porzingis are in NY, they're safe from falling behind Brooklyn. Atlanta will be a lot closer to Brooklyn now, though, and even the little bit of help that Hardaway would bring would help us out in that regard.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 07, 2017, 12:05:28 AM
It's probably in our best interest to have Atlanta match in this case. As long as Carmelo and Porzingis are in NY, they're safe from falling behind Brooklyn. Atlanta will be a lot closer to Brooklyn now, though, and even the little bit of help that Hardaway would bring would help us out in that regard.

Unfortunately, that's not happening. THJ is going to be a Knick (again). On the bright side, KP may demand out soon rather than later lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 07, 2017, 01:20:22 AM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

Not really, imo.  Gay, even if he loses at least some of his quickness/athleticism should still be an absolute cannon off the bench and always seems to play his best, on both ends, against the best.  If they could get Afflalo, too, they could very well beat the Warriors, imo, depending on what happens with Parker (I still don't understand how and why they could pass on Jawun Evans at the end of the first round, but whatever) and Ginobili, respectively, of course.

Fwiw, it would also be pretty funny to see the Spurs, as opposed to the Kings, get the most out of Tyreke Evans, Afflalo, and Gay.  San Antonio really isn't that far away from being able to win it all, imo, but yeah, they really need to get Afflalo, in addition to a couple of other pieces, to be able to so.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 07, 2017, 01:27:48 AM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

Not really, imo.  Gay, even if he loses at least some of his quickness/athleticism should still be an absolute cannon off the bench and always seems to play his best, on both ends, against the best.  If they could get Afflalo, too, they could very well beat the Warriors, imo, depending on what happens with Parker (I still don't understand how and why they could pass on Jawun Evans at the end of the first round, but whatever) and Ginobili, respectively, of course.

Fwiw, it would also be pretty funny to see the Spurs, as opposed to the Kings, get the most out of Tyreke Evans, Afflalo, and Gay.  San Antonio really isn't that far away from being able to win it all, imo, but yeah, they really need to get Afflalo, in addition to a couple of other pieces, to be able to so.

Even for a vocal critic of Rudy, I have to admit the Spurs got excellent value. However, he's got to be the least Spursy player in the entire NBA. He's a ball-stopper who doesn't play defense. Then again, if anyone can take Gay's skills and translate them into positive NBA basketball, it's Pop.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 07, 2017, 01:29:11 AM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

Not really, imo.  Gay, even if he loses at least some of his quickness/athleticism should still be an absolute cannon off the bench and always seems to play his best, on both ends, against the best.  If they could get Afflalo, too, they could very well beat the Warriors, imo, depending on what happens with Parker (I still don't understand how and why they could pass on Jawun Evans at the end of the first round, but whatever) and Ginobili, respectively, of course.

Fwiw, it would also be pretty funny to see the Spurs, as opposed to the Kings, get the most out of Tyreke Evans, Afflalo, and Gay.  San Antonio really isn't that far away from being able to win it all, imo, but yeah, they really need to get Afflalo, in addition to a couple of other pieces, to be able to so.

Honestly don't think they're in the same stratosphere as GSW, nor would they be with a new and improved Gay-Afflalo-etc.  Club is so well-run that they seem to overachieve like the Celtics do even after losing so much of their talent.  I don't see it.  Rudy Gay is dumb, the Spurs are not.  But whatever, there's till only two real teams in the NBA.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 07, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski‏ Verified account @wojespn  15 minutes ago
More
 Free agent Tyreke Evans has agreed to a one-year, $3.3M deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Fan from VT on July 07, 2017, 02:29:32 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski‏ Verified account @wojespn  15 minutes ago
More
 Free agent Tyreke Evans has agreed to a one-year, $3.3M deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources tell ESPN.

Pretty steep fall for Tyreke
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 07, 2017, 02:47:15 PM
Pacers locking themselves into mediocrity:

Quote
Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 07, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
Pacers locking themselves into mediocrity:

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Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712

I have no idea what Indy's doing.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 07, 2017, 02:53:54 PM
Pacers locking themselves into mediocrity:

Quote
Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712

I have no idea what Indy's doing.

Evidently, neither does Kevin Pritchard.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 07, 2017, 03:05:45 PM
Tyreke Evans signs 1 yr 3.3 mill deal with grizzlies
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 07, 2017, 03:08:18 PM
What a bargain for Tyreke Evans.

Shocked Sacramento let him go. He would have worked great with George Hill.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: gift on July 07, 2017, 03:12:28 PM
Pacers locking themselves into mediocrity:

Quote
Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712

I have no idea what Indy's doing.

Evidently, neither does Kevin Pritchard.

Now the rejected Boston offer makes sense. He apparently has an aversion to quality draft picks.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 07, 2017, 03:14:30 PM
Pacers locking themselves into mediocrity:

Quote
Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712

I have no idea what Indy's doing.

Evidently, neither does Kevin Pritchard.

Now the rejected Boston offer makes sense. He apparently has an aversion to quality draft picks.

Hahahahhahahah. TP.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 07, 2017, 06:37:12 PM
Quote
Jamal Crawford and Atlanta Hawks have come to terms on a buyout, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/883454330363191298

A potential target.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 07, 2017, 07:05:16 PM
Quote
Jamal Crawford and Atlanta Hawks have come to terms on a buyout, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/883454330363191298

A potential target.

With Bradley gone a guy that can create some offense may be pretty useful if it is cheap. Although he is terrible defensively and would need to play along side Smart and never IT....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 07, 2017, 07:10:23 PM
Pacers locking themselves into mediocrity:

Quote
Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712

I have no idea what Indy's doing.

Evidently, neither does Kevin Pritchard.
The 2nd year is only 1.5M guaranteed. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 07, 2017, 07:34:55 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned or not but Atlanta has agreed to a buyout of Jamal Crawford. Is there any chance we can sign him? I have no idea how buyouts affect the cap and how much we would be liable for that's even IF he wanted to join us. He is buddies with IT. Sorry I see it now 2 posts above.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 07, 2017, 08:26:48 PM
Quote
Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt

Cavs have reached a deal with free-agent forward Jeff Green, I'm told.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on July 07, 2017, 08:26:54 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/883475712778190848
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 07, 2017, 08:46:16 PM
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Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt

Cavs have reached a deal with free-agent forward Jeff Green, I'm told.

It is not terrible cause he is cheap, but this is a guy that shot 39% from the field last year and had the lowest scoring season of his career (and worst shooting) will be 31 when the season starts. Shouldn't be this washed up. Disappointing career
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 07, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

Not really, imo.  Gay, even if he loses at least some of his quickness/athleticism should still be an absolute cannon off the bench and always seems to play his best, on both ends, against the best.  If they could get Afflalo, too, they could very well beat the Warriors, imo, depending on what happens with Parker (I still don't understand how and why they could pass on Jawun Evans at the end of the first round, but whatever) and Ginobili, respectively, of course.

Fwiw, it would also be pretty funny to see the Spurs, as opposed to the Kings, get the most out of Tyreke Evans, Afflalo, and Gay.  San Antonio really isn't that far away from being able to win it all, imo, but yeah, they really need to get Afflalo, in addition to a couple of other pieces, to be able to so.

Honestly don't think they're in the same stratosphere as GSW, nor would they be with a new and improved Gay-Afflalo-etc.  Club is so well-run that they seem to overachieve like the Celtics do even after losing so much of their talent.  I don't see it.  Rudy Gay is dumb, the Spurs are not.  But whatever, there's till only two real teams in the NBA.

How is Rudy Gay dumb, lol, and did you miss game 1 of the western conference finals where the Spurs were wiping the floor with the Warriors in Golden State and Leonard was the best player on a court with Curry, Thompson, Durant, and Green?  If Lady Zaza doesn't pull the Bill Laimbeer move on Kawhi the Spurs more than likely win that first game and it's hardly a foregone conclusion that the Warriors would have even made the Finals, imo, and I'm not even a Leonard fan, lol ;D.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 08, 2017, 12:54:12 PM
Shockingly the Hawks will not be matching the Knicks' absurd $71 million/4 years with trade kicker + player option offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr. 

Congrats Knicks, you got your man (that you traded away like a year ago)!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 08, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on July 08, 2017, 04:45:44 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
So that averages 57 millions year. That is like over 50% of the cap.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 08, 2017, 04:53:47 PM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs for 2/17 with a PO per Woj. Gotta say, the fit's a bit of a head-scratcher.

Not really, imo.  Gay, even if he loses at least some of his quickness/athleticism should still be an absolute cannon off the bench and always seems to play his best, on both ends, against the best.  If they could get Afflalo, too, they could very well beat the Warriors, imo, depending on what happens with Parker (I still don't understand how and why they could pass on Jawun Evans at the end of the first round, but whatever) and Ginobili, respectively, of course.

Fwiw, it would also be pretty funny to see the Spurs, as opposed to the Kings, get the most out of Tyreke Evans, Afflalo, and Gay.  San Antonio really isn't that far away from being able to win it all, imo, but yeah, they really need to get Afflalo, in addition to a couple of other pieces, to be able to so.

Honestly don't think they're in the same stratosphere as GSW, nor would they be with a new and improved Gay-Afflalo-etc.  Club is so well-run that they seem to overachieve like the Celtics do even after losing so much of their talent.  I don't see it.  Rudy Gay is dumb, the Spurs are not.  But whatever, there's till only two real teams in the NBA.

How is Rudy Gay dumb, lol, and did you miss game 1 of the western conference finals where the Spurs were wiping the floor with the Warriors in Golden State and Leonard was the best player on a court with Curry, Thompson, Durant, and Green?  If Lady Zaza doesn't pull the Bill Laimbeer move on Kawhi the Spurs more than likely win that first game and it's hardly a foregone conclusion that the Warriors would have even made the Finals, imo, and I'm not even a Leonard fan, lol ;D.

Rudy is going to look really good next two the best player in the league, KL! He's also going to look really good in the Spurs system. A front line of Aldrich, Leonard, and Gay has some real fire power....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 08, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
So that averages 57 millions year. That is like over 50% of the cap.

Wish I can make half a million a year
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 08, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
So that averages 57 millions year. That is like over 50% of the cap.

The report is being worded poorly. He'll make $228M over the next six years.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 08, 2017, 05:03:33 PM
Could Dallas make a play for Camelo? He fits their time line for Dirk!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 08, 2017, 05:20:16 PM
Could Dallas make a play for Camelo? He fits their time line for Dirk!

No, because Melo would veto it.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: blink on July 08, 2017, 05:20:23 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
So that averages 57 millions year. That is like over 50% of the cap.

The report is being worded poorly. He'll make $228M over the next six years.

even at 6 years that is crazy money.  when I first read it in this blog, I thought someone was joking.  I guess not.  (head spinning)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 08, 2017, 05:22:30 PM
Could Dallas make a play for Camelo? He fits their time line for Dirk!

No, because Melo would veto it.

Yeah,,,
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 08, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
So that averages 57 millions year. That is like over 50% of the cap.

The report is being worded poorly. He'll make $228M over the next six years.

even at 6 years that is crazy money.  when I first read it in this blog, I thought someone was joking.  I guess not.  (head spinning)

It's a lot of money. It's also significantly better than the alternative.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 08, 2017, 05:41:29 PM
Breaking: James Harden signs a 4-year, $228 million contract extension with the Houston Rockets through the 2022-23 season. (via Adrian Wojnarkowski)

Hold his beer, Steph Curry.
So that averages 57 millions year. That is like over 50% of the cap.

The report is being worded poorly. He'll make $228M over the next six years.

even at 6 years that is crazy money.  when I first read it in this blog, I thought someone was joking.  I guess not.  (head spinning)
They are adding numbers together. He had 2 years for $59MM left on his current deal with one year being a player option. This next extension makes the 19-20 option guaranteed. The actual extension is 4/170. Which is about $42MM a year. A little more than Curry got


 espn  is reporting that wrong $228 m number To be overdramatic and get views
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 09, 2017, 12:31:55 AM
Quote
Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906068899909632
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 09, 2017, 03:42:47 AM
Quote
Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906068899909632
What on earth is going on in Toronto?!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2017, 04:49:00 AM
Quote
Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906068899909632
What on earth is going on in Toronto?!

Luxury tax avoidance.  They were far over the tax line.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Somebody on July 09, 2017, 06:13:09 AM
Hope people won't go batEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. when we give IT a 4 year max
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
Quote
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

Quote
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 09, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
Quote
Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906068899909632
What on earth is going on in Toronto?!

Luxury tax avoidance.  They were far over the tax line.

Like the Bradley trade, some trades have to be made to avoid major luxury tax penalties when you sign players to big contracts.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 09, 2017, 03:46:31 PM
Quote
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

Quote
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984

That's an interesting move. I love how Miles fits in Toronto, who desperately needed some more outside shooting. Will he start at the 3 for them, or will he come off the bench behind Powell?

Then again, losing Joseph could hurt, especially with as injury prone as Lowry has been.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 10, 2017, 06:09:16 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/81c23751e951c5d9a2620ef14b8b70d5.png)

https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/884175916393418752
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 10, 2017, 06:31:39 AM
Hope people won't go bat**** when we give IT a 4 year max

Fortunately we'll have 2017-18 to watch him play with the new team before deciding.  Many questions that remain re: his value to the Cs should be answered (injury, defensive liability on a very good team, sharing offensive go-to role, distributing to other weapons).    Perfect opportunity for him to prove his max value to this team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 10, 2017, 08:08:19 AM
Quote
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

Quote
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984

That's an interesting move. I love how Miles fits in Toronto, who desperately needed some more outside shooting. Will he start at the 3 for them, or will he come off the bench behind Powell?

Then again, losing Joseph could hurt, especially with as injury prone as Lowry has been.

Do they have a backup to Lowry now? You have to think that if they are willing to make this move then they must have someone lined up in FA. Rose perhaps? Ty Lawson?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 10, 2017, 03:24:33 PM
Quote
Free agent center Joffrey Lauvergne has agreed to a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/884486614570983428
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: PhoSita on July 10, 2017, 03:31:15 PM
Quote
Free agent center Joffrey Lauvergne has agreed to a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/884486614570983428

Seems about right.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 10, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
Quote
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

Quote
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984

That's an interesting move. I love how Miles fits in Toronto, who desperately needed some more outside shooting. Will he start at the 3 for them, or will he come off the bench behind Powell?

Then again, losing Joseph could hurt, especially with as injury prone as Lowry has been.

Do they have a backup to Lowry now? You have to think that if they are willing to make this move then they must have someone lined up in FA. Rose perhaps? Ty Lawson?

Well they were clearly the biggest losers in the Jose Caulderon derby
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 10, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
Quote
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

Quote
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984

That's an interesting move. I love how Miles fits in Toronto, who desperately needed some more outside shooting. Will he start at the 3 for them, or will he come off the bench behind Powell?

Then again, losing Joseph could hurt, especially with as injury prone as Lowry has been.

Do they have a backup to Lowry now? You have to think that if they are willing to make this move then they must have someone lined up in FA. Rose perhaps? Ty Lawson?

Well they were clearly the biggest losers in the Jose Caulderon derby

Delon Wright has been decent.  Entering his 3rd year, and at age 25, he should be capable of a larger role, especially if DeRozan is on the court with him.  I assume that's their plan, similar to what we're looking for from Rozier now that Bradley was traded.  Mid-to-late first round picks might not always have immediate impacts, and they may never become stars, but if they can give you rotational minutes on inexpensive contracts for 2-3 seasons, they can provide you the salary flexibility to fill other holes on your roster with more expensive veterans.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 10, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
Quote
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624

Quote
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984

That's an interesting move. I love how Miles fits in Toronto, who desperately needed some more outside shooting. Will he start at the 3 for them, or will he come off the bench behind Powell?

Then again, losing Joseph could hurt, especially with as injury prone as Lowry has been.

Do they have a backup to Lowry now? You have to think that if they are willing to make this move then they must have someone lined up in FA. Rose perhaps? Ty Lawson?

Well they were clearly the biggest losers in the Jose Caulderon derby

Delon Wright has been decent.  Entering his 3rd year, and at age 25, he should be capable of a larger role, especially if DeRozan is on the court with him.  I assume that's their plan, similar to what we're looking for from Rozier now that Bradley was traded.  Mid-to-late first round picks might not always have immediate impacts, and they may never become stars, but if they can give you rotational minutes on inexpensive contracts for 2-3 seasons, they can provide you the salary flexibility to fill other holes on your roster with more expensive veterans.

I a 100% believe this. I think with the structure of salaries rookie contracts are more important than ever before. I actually think every team in the league now understands this outside of the Clippers and Cavs.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 10, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
Quote
Free agent Reggie Bullock has agreed to a two-year, $5M deal to re-sign with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/884563297848119296
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 11, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
The Walking Dedmon... To Atlanta (I'm sorry it's bad, that's all I got)

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/884948046773075969?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Quote
Sam Amick
‏Verified account
@sam_amick

DeWayne Dedmon two years, $14 million to Atlanta, I'm told. Player option 2nd season.

A little less than I expected, but also expected that it was just out of Boston's range.

Good move for ATL and a bit of an underrated loss for San Antonio.

This could help us in terms of Nets Pick, especially if Dedmon does really well for ATL.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 12, 2017, 12:33:25 AM
According to Windhorst, KCP signing with LAL on a 1 year, 18M deal. Dang..
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 12, 2017, 08:46:46 AM
Restricted free agent Ron Baker's deal to stay with the Knicks: Two-years, $8.9M, including a player option, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884847253436997632

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Westbrook extension would be the largest in NBA history topping the most recent James Harden extension.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884819099095662593

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Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca. Full story coming soon

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/884909057756217347
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 12, 2017, 08:49:18 AM
Restricted free agent Ron Baker's deal to stay with the Knicks: Two-years, $8.9M, including a player option, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884847253436997632

==========================================================

Westbrook extension would be the largest in NBA history topping the most recent James Harden extension.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884819099095662593

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Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca. Full story coming soon

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/884909057756217347


Wait...what?!?!?

Reggie Jackson for Etwaun Moore and Ajinca? Wow! Pistons trying to give Reggie Jax away.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 12, 2017, 08:54:41 AM
Restricted free agent Ron Baker's deal to stay with the Knicks: Two-years, $8.9M, including a player option, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884847253436997632

==========================================================

Westbrook extension would be the largest in NBA history topping the most recent James Harden extension.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884819099095662593

=========================================================

Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca. Full story coming soon

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/884909057756217347


Wait...what?!?!?

Reggie Jackson for Etwaun Moore and Ajinca? Wow! Pistons trying to give Reggie Jax away.

Yes they are. But I think it'd be a worse deal for the Pelicans.  It'd lock their team that no one shows up for into the luxury tax next year if they retain Cousins with the max.  They'd be so far over that even successfully dumping Asik might not be enough.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 12, 2017, 09:31:56 AM
Sources: Despite committing $18M for Caldwell-Pope, Lakers still trying to find a way to sign Rondo. Lakers have a $4.3M exception to use.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884995401727836161

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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope projected $18M salary will fit into the Lakers remaining room. The Lakers had $16.5M in...

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884994541081825281?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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I'm told the Lakers have not decided yet on if Rajon Rondo fits into their plans.

https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/885001634220322816
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 12, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Quote
Free agent Thabo Sefolosha has agreed to a two-year, $10.5M deal with the Utah Jazz, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/885197006318075904
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: footey on July 12, 2017, 03:13:25 PM
Sources: Despite committing $18M for Caldwell-Pope, Lakers still trying to find a way to sign Rondo. Lakers have a $4.3M exception to use.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884995401727836161

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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope projected $18M salary will fit into the Lakers remaining room. The Lakers had $16.5M in...

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884994541081825281?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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I'm told the Lakers have not decided yet on if Rajon Rondo fits into their plans.

https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/885001634220322816

Doing whatever they can to prevent us from getting that pick!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Who on July 12, 2017, 03:22:56 PM
Quote
Free agent Thabo Sefolosha has agreed to a two-year, $10.5M deal with the Utah Jazz, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/885197006318075904

Another piece of Atlanta's rotation gone. Hawks continue to get weaker.

Do not love the fit for Utah. They need more offensively able wings alongside Rubio and Gobert. Not another limited offensive player.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Androslav on July 12, 2017, 03:36:30 PM
Sources: Despite committing $18M for Caldwell-Pope, Lakers still trying to find a way to sign Rondo. Lakers have a $4.3M exception to use.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884995401727836161

====================================================

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope projected $18M salary will fit into the Lakers remaining room. The Lakers had $16.5M in...

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884994541081825281?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

====================================================

I'm told the Lakers have not decided yet on if Rajon Rondo fits into their plans.

https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/885001634220322816

Doing whatever they can to prevent us from getting that pick!
It is not that hard to not be a the bottom 5 team out of 30 teams.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 12, 2017, 06:58:41 PM
Restricted free agent Ron Baker's deal to stay with the Knicks: Two-years, $8.9M, including a player option, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884847253436997632

==========================================================

Westbrook extension would be the largest in NBA history topping the most recent James Harden extension.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884819099095662593

=========================================================

Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca. Full story coming soon

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/884909057756217347


Wait...what?!?!?

Reggie Jackson for Etwaun Moore and Ajinca? Wow! Pistons trying to give Reggie Jax away.

Yes they are. But I think it'd be a worse deal for the Pelicans.  It'd lock their team that no one shows up for into the luxury tax next year if they retain Cousins with the max.  They'd be so far over that even successfully dumping Asik might not be enough.
And $16-18 mil a year is a lot to pay for Jrue Holiday's backup isn't it? Unless they're planning on playing Holiday and Jackson together. They don't really have a starting SG.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 12, 2017, 07:00:13 PM
Restricted free agent Ron Baker's deal to stay with the Knicks: Two-years, $8.9M, including a player option, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884847253436997632

==========================================================

Westbrook extension would be the largest in NBA history topping the most recent James Harden extension.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884819099095662593

=========================================================

Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca. Full story coming soon

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/884909057756217347


Wait...what?!?!?

Reggie Jackson for Etwaun Moore and Ajinca? Wow! Pistons trying to give Reggie Jax away.

Yes they are. But I think it'd be a worse deal for the Pelicans.  It'd lock their team that no one shows up for into the luxury tax next year if they retain Cousins with the max.  They'd be so far over that even successfully dumping Asik might not be enough.
And $16-18 mil a year is a lot to pay for Jrue Holiday's backup isn't it? Unless they're planning on playing Holiday and Jackson together. They don't really have a starting SG.

I'd assume they'd play them together, creating a backcourt that would chase AD away.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 12, 2017, 07:02:37 PM
Restricted free agent Ron Baker's deal to stay with the Knicks: Two-years, $8.9M, including a player option, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884847253436997632

==========================================================

Westbrook extension would be the largest in NBA history topping the most recent James Harden extension.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/884819099095662593

=========================================================

Sources: Pistons and Pelicans have discussed a potential trade of Reggie Jackson for E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca. Full story coming soon

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/884909057756217347


Wait...what?!?!?

Reggie Jackson for Etwaun Moore and Ajinca? Wow! Pistons trying to give Reggie Jax away.

Yes they are. But I think it'd be a worse deal for the Pelicans.  It'd lock their team that no one shows up for into the luxury tax next year if they retain Cousins with the max.  They'd be so far over that even successfully dumping Asik might not be enough.
And $16-18 mil a year is a lot to pay for Jrue Holiday's backup isn't it? Unless they're planning on playing Holiday and Jackson together. They don't really have a starting SG.

I'd assume they'd play them together, creating a backcourt that would chase AD away.
And then Detroit can trade Drummond for him? That Van Gundy is one sly fox.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 12, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
So 3 more decent players go to the West: KCP, R.Jackson and Sefalosha.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: moiso on July 12, 2017, 07:31:17 PM
So 3 more decent players go to the West: KCP, R.Jackson and Sefalosha.
We are lucky to have 15 players!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MJohnnyboy on July 12, 2017, 07:33:52 PM
So 3 more decent players go to the West: KCP, R.Jackson and Sefalosha.

R. Jackson as in Reggie Jackson?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 12, 2017, 07:35:13 PM
So 3 more decent players go to the West: KCP, R.Jackson and Sefalosha.

R. Jackson as in Reggie Jackson?

Reggie Jackson hasn't been good since OKC. He never fit in Motor City.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: moiso on July 12, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
If they both come off the bench we can call them the Goon Squad.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MJohnnyboy on July 12, 2017, 07:45:08 PM
So 3 more decent players go to the West: KCP, R.Jackson and Sefalosha.

R. Jackson as in Reggie Jackson?

Reggie Jackson hasn't been good since OKC. He never fit in Motor City.

I couldn't care less about Jackson. I was only wondering when did he get traded? I know about the rumor yesterday but there was no deal as of now.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 12, 2017, 10:23:51 PM
Quote
Free agent Jonas Jerebko has agreed to a two-year, $8.2M deal with Utah, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/885322457548304385
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jambr380 on July 12, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
Quote
Free agent Jonas Jerebko has agreed to a two-year, $8.2M deal with Utah, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/885322457548304385

Good for JJ for getting more than the minimum, but bummer for us for not retaining him for the minimum.  :'(
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 13, 2017, 03:45:42 AM
Quote
Free agent Ersan Ilyasova has agreed to a one-year, $6M deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/885350594113814528
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 13, 2017, 06:28:13 AM
Quote
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Euroleague star center Ekpe Udoh has agreed to a two-year, $6.5M deal with the Utah Jazz, league sources tell The Vertical.
4:46 AM · Jul 13, 2017
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: boscel33 on July 13, 2017, 02:07:14 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 13, 2017, 02:13:25 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

We have Aron Baynes and Ante Zizic.  That is a sufficient number of interior-oriented centers in today's game.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 13, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
Quote
Free agent Ersan Ilyasova has agreed to a one-year, $6M deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/885350594113814528

I am very confused what Atlanta's goal is right now. They are rebuilding but now have signed Illasova and Dedmon... I guess dedmon is youngish.. but he isn't a big upside.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Donoghus on July 13, 2017, 02:36:19 PM
Quote
Free agent Ersan Ilyasova has agreed to a one-year, $6M deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/885350594113814528

I am very confused what Atlanta's goal is right now. They are rebuilding but now have signed Illasova and Dedmon... I guess dedmon is youngish.. but he isn't a big upside.

Fill out the roster & suck.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 13, 2017, 03:03:27 PM
Quote
Free agent Ersan Ilyasova has agreed to a one-year, $6M deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/885350594113814528

I am very confused what Atlanta's goal is right now. They are rebuilding but now have signed Illasova and Dedmon... I guess dedmon is youngish.. but he isn't a big upside.

Fill out the roster & suck.

"Fill out the roster with pieces that will be desirable at the deadline (though Ilyasova has a NTC) and suck" might be slightly more accurate.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 13, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: arctic 3.0 on July 13, 2017, 03:18:34 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans
Rondo to the Pels is perfect.

Been thinking about our old friend and where he may land.
Thought the NO would be a great fit.
Rondo setting em up
AD throwing em down

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 13, 2017, 03:28:25 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans
Rondo to the Pels is perfect.

Been thinking about our old friend and where he may land.
Thought the NO would be a great fit.
Rondo setting em up
AD throwing em down
its also perfect if it doesn't work out and the team discombobulated. AD has to spend a whole season with 2 headcases that teams can't get rid of fast enough off their teams. Both rondo and cousins were one time traded for bags of potato chips cuz of their head case issues


AD will want out of New Orleans so fast
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 13, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans
Rondo to the Pels is perfect.

Been thinking about our old friend and where he may land.
Thought the NO would be a great fit.
Rondo setting em up
AD throwing em down
its also perfect if it doesn't work out and the team discombobulated. AD has to spend a whole season with 2 headcases that teams can't get rid of fast enough off their teams. Both rondo and cousins were one time traded for bags of potato chips cuz of their head case issues


AD will want out of New Orleans so fast

I'm not sure about that.  Rondo was an expiring contract that got us 4/15 of our possible opening day roster:

Crowder
Yabusele
Ojeleye
Jackson

It's also about half responsible for our Clippers 1st round pick in 2019.  If it was potato chips, it was a warehouse club size bag of quality chips at a minimum.  Certainly not 7-11 brand.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: footey on July 13, 2017, 03:44:57 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans

Makes sense.  Could make them good enough that AD never demands trade.  How did Rondo and Cousins get along in SAC?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 13, 2017, 03:50:56 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans

Makes sense.  Could make them good enough that AD never demands trade.  How did Rondo and Cousins get along in SAC?

They got really close and allegedly Cousins is lobbying for him.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: arctic 3.0 on July 13, 2017, 03:59:48 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19999069/new-orleans-pelicans-meet-free-agent-rajon-rondo Rondo gaining steam with pelicans
Rondo to the Pels is perfect.

Been thinking about our old friend and where he may land.
Thought the NO would be a great fit.
Rondo setting em up
AD throwing em down
its also perfect if it doesn't work out and the team discombobulated. AD has to spend a whole season with 2 headcases that teams can't get rid of fast enough off their teams. Both rondo and cousins were one time traded for bags of potato chips cuz of their head case issues


AD will want out of New Orleans so fast

I want every team in the west not named the Lakers  to improve.

If Rondo is allowed to do his thing both Cousins and Davis will prosper.
Cousins and Davis prospering means NO will be pushing for the playoffs and pushing LA down.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 13, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
Derrick Rose to Milwaukee picking up steam

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20014101/derrick-rose-milwaukee-bucks-discussing-date-second-free-agency-meeting
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 13, 2017, 09:39:45 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

I've never understood the fascination with this dude.  If we wanted a big guy who offers almost nothing aside from blocking shots we should have signed Amida Brimeh and been done with it.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 14, 2017, 03:44:40 PM
Spurs free agent Jonathon Simmons has agreed to a three-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 14, 2017, 03:46:22 PM
Woj reporting Jonathan Simmons will sign with the Magic for 3 years.

He's a quality wing off the bench and can provide a little stability, coming from a winning organization. Hopefully he can be a locker room leader and the Magic can get above the 30-win hump.

EDIT: Oops. A minute late. TP to matteo.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: boscel33 on July 14, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

I've never understood the fascination with this dude.  If we wanted a big guy who offers almost nothing aside from blocking shots we should have signed Amida Brimeh and been done with it.

You should look at him a little closer.  He's a guy who has averaged 14.6/9.9 during his career, only averaging 28.8 mpg.  During his high of 34.2 mpg, he was a 19.3/10.9 guy.  BTW, nothing aside from blocks?  He averages .9 per game.

This guy can play and is only 26.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 14, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

I've never understood the fascination with this dude.  If we wanted a big guy who offers almost nothing aside from blocking shots we should have signed Amida Brimeh and been done with it.

You should look at him a little closer.  He's a guy who has averaged 14.6/9.9 during his career, only averaging 28.8 mpg.  During his high of 34.2 mpg, he was a 19.3/10.9 guy.  BTW, nothing aside from blocks?  He averages .9 per game.

This guy can play and is only 26.

Festus Ezeli averaged a career high of 16.7 mpg in 2015-2016.  I have no idea where you're getting 34.2 mpg from, in any season.

He's also completely missed 2 of his 5 professional seasons.

He also turns 28 in October.

I think you've got someone else in mind.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 14, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
Orlando with the Simmons signing gets better than nets and competes to be better than lakers
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 14, 2017, 05:25:19 PM
Quote
League sources tell @ExpressNews news Simmons' with #Magic deal is 3-year deal $20 million all guaranteed. #Spurs

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/885958178894209024
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: byennie on July 14, 2017, 05:39:59 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

I've never understood the fascination with this dude.  If we wanted a big guy who offers almost nothing aside from blocking shots we should have signed Amida Brimeh and been done with it.

You should look at him a little closer.  He's a guy who has averaged 14.6/9.9 during his career, only averaging 28.8 mpg.  During his high of 34.2 mpg, he was a 19.3/10.9 guy.  BTW, nothing aside from blocks?  He averages .9 per game.

This guy can play and is only 26.

You're referring to Nikola Vucevic, not Ezeli.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on July 14, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

I've never understood the fascination with this dude.  If we wanted a big guy who offers almost nothing aside from blocking shots we should have signed Amida Brimeh and been done with it.

You should look at him a little closer.  He's a guy who has averaged 14.6/9.9 during his career, only averaging 28.8 mpg.  During his high of 34.2 mpg, he was a 19.3/10.9 guy.  BTW, nothing aside from blocks?  He averages .9 per game.

This guy can play and is only 26.

You're referring to Nikola Vucevic, not Ezeli.
Getting Nikola Vucevic for the minimum would be something, though :P
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 14, 2017, 06:39:58 PM
Quote
League sources tell @ExpressNews news Simmons' with #Magic deal is 3-year deal $20 million all guaranteed. #Spurs

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/885958178894209024

Because what Orlando really needed is another poor shooter....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 15, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 15, 2017, 11:47:07 AM
Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.

TP. Will be interesting to see how the Twin Towers of the Pelicans function together.

Rondo is certainly someone they need (guy who can pass the ball to them well lol).

As long as they keep their attitudes in check for the most part, Pels could be a 6-8 seed at best (West just got too stacked now).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on July 15, 2017, 12:20:06 PM
Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.

He might make the twin towers thing work.

Holiday to SG?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Smartacus on July 15, 2017, 12:20:22 PM
Quote
League sources tell @ExpressNews news Simmons' with #Magic deal is 3-year deal $20 million all guaranteed. #Spurs

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/885958178894209024

Because what Orlando really needed is another poor shooter....

A single tear came to Vogel's eye when he saw Jon Simmons went unrestricted.

"He's perfect"
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Smartacus on July 15, 2017, 12:28:14 PM
Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.

TP. Will be interesting to see how the Twin Towers of the Pelicans function together.

Rondo is certainly someone they need (guy who can pass the ball to them well lol).

As long as they keep their attitudes in check for the most part, Pels could be a 6-8 seed at best (West just got too stacked now).

Hoping it works out. Always going to root for Rondo and the NBA is a better league if that Pelicans team is competitive.

That being said if they flop and are forced to move on from Anthony Davis for a boatload of picks and young assets that would be just fine too.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 15, 2017, 12:40:50 PM
Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.

He might make the twin towers thing work.

Holiday to SG?
Not just any twin towers.  The best center and best PF in the game.  I'm confident Rondo could make it work but have doubts about Gentry doing so.   
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 15, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.

TP. Will be interesting to see how the Twin Towers of the Pelicans function together.

Rondo is certainly someone they need (guy who can pass the ball to them well lol).

As long as they keep their attitudes in check for the most part, Pels could be a 6-8 seed at best (West just got too stacked now).

Hoping it works out. Always going to root for Rondo and the NBA is a better league if that Pelicans team is competitive.

That being said if they flop and are forced to move on from Anthony Davis for a boatload of picks and young assets that would be just fine too.

I agree. I was excited to see Rondo come back to life in the playoffs, and was even more excited to see that he couldn't single handedly beat the Celtics for the rest of the series!

I understand that people didn't like Rondo's personality (and some antics like the SAC game), but I was and still am a big fan. He is a game changer- no doubt about it. He has the ability to take over in the playoffs, which is a unique characteristic. He seems to come up big when it matters the most. I think/hope Marcus Smart has this trait.

I hope this experiment works out. New Orleans could use some winning- not sure the Saints are going to deliver.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 15, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
Glad to see Rondo in New Orleans and NOT in LA on Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 16, 2017, 06:13:27 AM
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https://www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2017/7/15/15977406/blazers-trade-rumor-carmelo-anthony-wojnarowski
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 16, 2017, 06:29:32 AM
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https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/886277445359345664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fnba%2F
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 16, 2017, 06:43:26 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6a78397f9822169fc2a39425a1a60560.png)

https://www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2017/7/15/15977406/blazers-trade-rumor-carmelo-anthony-wojnarowski

Makes sense for the Blazers.  They have all sorts of contracts they'd love to move, and could use a quantity for quality trade.  Melo for Harkless, Leonard, Aminu, and Vonleh.  Helps fill out the Knicks roster for the next two seasons they were going to be stuck with an unhappy but largely untradable Carmelo taking an equivalent amount of salary.  The Knicks can't be quite bad enough to tank, and have too much salary committed over the next three seasons to do it properly anyway, so they might as well get some rotation players and see if they can't steal a playoff berth in an East with few teams trying to compete.

If Melo would be willing to go to Portland, it could actually be the type of trade to help both teams.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 16, 2017, 08:10:35 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 16, 2017, 08:11:50 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 16, 2017, 08:34:30 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6a78397f9822169fc2a39425a1a60560.png)

https://www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2017/7/15/15977406/blazers-trade-rumor-carmelo-anthony-wojnarowski

Makes sense for the Blazers.  They have all sorts of contracts they'd love to move, and could use a quantity for quality trade.  Melo for Harkless, Leonard, Aminu, and Vonleh.  Helps fill out the Knicks roster for the next two seasons they were going to be stuck with an unhappy but largely untradable Carmelo taking an equivalent amount of salary.  The Knicks can't be quite bad enough to tank, and have too much salary committed over the next three seasons to do it properly anyway, so they might as well get some rotation players and see if they can't steal a playoff berth in an East with few teams trying to compete.

If Melo would be willing to go to Portland, it could actually be the type of trade to help both teams.

This would have been a great move for the Knicks at or before the draft, imo, as they could have wound up with Portland's three first round picks for, say, Evan Turner, in whom Phil was interested prior to his signing with the Blazers, iirc, Ezeli, and probably someone else just to make the numbers work like Shabazz Napier or whatever, but now?  Talk about a blown opportunity to rebuild in one fell swoop, for the most part, imo.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 16, 2017, 08:38:36 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.

When you say they can take it on you mean they have outgoing salaries that can make it work right? Doesn't Portland have the highest payroll in the NBA or has that changed with recent signings/contract extensions?


Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 16, 2017, 08:38:38 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
But his NTC means he is in control of where he goes.  I don't see why he would want to leave NYC for Portland.  It's not like they could win a championship.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 16, 2017, 08:40:21 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
But his NTC means he is in control of where he goes.  I don't see why he would want to leave NYC for Portland.  It's not like they could win a championship.

Does he think Houston can win a championship?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 16, 2017, 08:48:39 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
But his NTC means he is in control of where he goes.  I don't see why he would want to leave NYC for Portland.  It's not like they could win a championship.

Does he think Houston can win a championship?
I'm not sure what he thinks, but I think a troika of Harden/Paul/Melo with a solid supporting cast, is pretty good.  To me, the bigger issue with Houston is how will D'Antoni run an up-tempo offense with those guys.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 16, 2017, 08:50:56 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
But his NTC means he is in control of where he goes.  I don't see why he would want to leave NYC for Portland.  It's not like they could win a championship.

I get that.  My point is if Melo wants to play for a competitor, Portland could be pretty much the only option.  Houston can only do it if they find someone to take Ryan Anderson, and no one seems interested.  Melo's other option is giving up about $50 million or so to take a buyout -- I can't see the Knicks being willing to pay him most his contract to play somewhere else.

I'm not saying that I think Melo will be willing -- he seems to want to stay in NY, period.  There just aren't many, if any, other options for him to go to.  Portland let's him get paid $60 million, compete, and choose to finish out his career wherever he wants for decent money, assuming he doesn't look like a waste of space out there.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 16, 2017, 08:53:33 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
But his NTC means he is in control of where he goes.  I don't see why he would want to leave NYC for Portland.  It's not like they could win a championship.

I get that.  My point is if Melo wants to play for a competitor, Portland could be pretty much the only option.  Houston can only do it if they find someone to take Ryan Anderson, and no one seems interested.  Melo's other option is giving up about $50 million or so to take a buyout -- I can't see the Knicks being willing to pay him most his contract to play somewhere else.

I'm not saying that I think Melo will be willing -- he seems to want to stay in NY, period.  There just aren't many, if any, other options for him to go to.  Portland let's him get paid $60 million, compete, and choose to finish out his career wherever he wants for decent money, assuming he doesn't look like a waste of space out there.
Got ya' now.  TP.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on July 16, 2017, 09:01:32 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.
But his NTC means he is in control of where he goes.  I don't see why he would want to leave NYC for Portland.  It's not like they could win a championship.

Does he think Houston can win a championship?
I'm not sure what he thinks, but I think a troika of Harden/Paul/Melo with a solid supporting cast, is pretty good.  To me, the bigger issue with Houston is how will D'Antoni run an up-tempo offense with those guys.

Paul and Harden can't play together and Melo would only further exacerbate the problem, imo, and that's even before we take Anthony's past dealings with D'Antoni into consideration.  The whole thing just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 16, 2017, 09:15:39 AM
Why would Melo want to go to Portland?

Because it's about the only competitive team who can take on his bloated contract.

When you say they can take it on you mean they have outgoing salaries that can make it work right? Doesn't Portland have the highest payroll in the NBA or has that changed with recent signings/contract extensions?

They do have a super-high payroll -- it'll be top 3 with Cleveland and Golden State no matter what they do (barring trading multiple 1st round picks).  They have a bunch of contracts that are decent on their own, but collectively are too much.  But they can give NY 2-3 rotational/second-tier starters  (depending how you feel about Meyers Leonard) that will make the same as Anthony the next two seasons.  With $30 million a year committed to Noah and Courtney Lee for three more seasons, they're stuck anyway, so getting expirings for Anthony shouldn't be an imperative.  I think the pieces match up well.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 16, 2017, 09:49:11 AM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 16, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 16, 2017, 11:49:36 AM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.
the rockets have 2 ball pounders who aren't effective off the ball. Harden is going to look like okc harden when it's all said and done
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 16, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.

I'm not sold on the fit of Harden and CP3. I think there'll definitely be an adjustment period, specifically for CP3. He's used to holding the ball in his hands a lot in a half court setting. We already know Lillard and McCollum can play together - particularly moving off the ball and shooting at a high clip. Add in Nurkic who's a good post presence who's shown he can take advantage when he's given the ball in the post.

I just think Portland's offense is a more natural fit. I can see Melo's role in Portland.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 16, 2017, 12:08:08 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.


Well we could discuss if CP3 is a top 7 player, but I get your point. However the problem is they both serve essentially the same position on the court. Harden became what he is by having the ball in his hands as much as possible. CP3 has never played off the ball, so there is going to be a problem here
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 16, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.


Well we could discuss if CP3 is a top 7 player, but I get your point. However the problem is they both serve essentially the same position on the court. Harden became what he is by having the ball in his hands as much as possible. CP3 has never played off the ball, so there is going to be a problem here

Lillard, McCollum, Harden, and Paul are all high usage guys.

Two of the worst teams who could recruit Melo.

Whole thing is stupid. He's be better off with the Clips, or even San Antone
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 16, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.

I'm not sold on the fit of Harden and CP3. I think there'll definitely be an adjustment period, specifically for CP3. He's used to holding the ball in his hands a lot in a half court setting. We already know Lillard and McCollum can play together - particularly moving off the ball and shooting at a high clip. Add in Nurkic who's a good post presence who's shown he can take advantage when he's given the ball in the post.

I just think Portland's offense is a more natural fit. I can see Melo's role in Portland.

I'm not entirely sold on the CP-Harden fit either, but let's not pretend Lillard-McCollum is some great fit. They work together, but they're both really point guards. As for shooting ability, you do realize Paul is a vastly superior shooter to Lillard, right? I think many fail to realize that Paul truly is one of the league's premier shooters. I don't think Melo's a particularly good fit on either team, because both have two ball-dominant players who are better than Melo, but I'd hesitate to say Melo's a better fit with the lesser talents whom he's also less likely to defer to.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 16, 2017, 04:58:07 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.


Well we could discuss if CP3 is a top 7 player, but I get your point. However the problem is they both serve essentially the same position on the court. Harden became what he is by having the ball in his hands as much as possible. CP3 has never played off the ball, so there is going to be a problem here

1. I refuse to concede that CP is not a top-7 player, but for the purposes of this debate, all we need to agree on is that CP and Harden are both (clearly) better than Lillard and McCollum.

2. They will be staggered, so they'll each be able to play on-ball for roughly 75% of their minutes.

3. Harden finished second in MVP voting (and first in player voting) two years ago, when he was still considered a "SG." He's great no matter how you use him.

4. Why wouldn't CP3 work off-ball? He's one of the truly elite shooters in the game, and as far as playing with other creators before, he's done it. Blake Griffin has averaged 5.1 apg over the last 3 years.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 16, 2017, 05:01:51 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.

I'm not sold on the fit of Harden and CP3. I think there'll definitely be an adjustment period, specifically for CP3. He's used to holding the ball in his hands a lot in a half court setting. We already know Lillard and McCollum can play together - particularly moving off the ball and shooting at a high clip. Add in Nurkic who's a good post presence who's shown he can take advantage when he's given the ball in the post.

I just think Portland's offense is a more natural fit. I can see Melo's role in Portland.

I'm not entirely sold on the CP-Harden fit either, but let's not pretend Lillard-McCollum is some great fit. They work together, but they're both really point guards. As for shooting ability, you do realize Paul is a vastly superior shooter to Lillard, right? I think many fail to realize that Paul truly is one of the league's premier shooters. I don't think Melo's a particularly good fit on either team, because both have two ball-dominant players who are better than Melo, but I'd hesitate to say Melo's a better fit with the lesser talents whom he's also less likely to defer to.

I'm not sure where you're getting this notion that Paul is a vastly better shooter than Lillard. They're both very good to elite-level shooters, and they're both literally at 37% on the dot for their careers. If anything, the case should be made for Lillard being the better shooter, because he's averaging the same percentage at over twice the attempts per game as Paul. Furthermore, the difficulty of Lillard's shots are generally much higher than Paul's shots. Lillard shoots primarily off the dribble from beyond the arc, where Paul (at least in my experience) shoots from long distance just as much off the pass as off the dribble.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01.html
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 16, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: mef730 on July 16, 2017, 06:00:41 PM
Are there any difference makers left that the Nets could sign, or are they basically done?

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 16, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.

That's a good fit for them. I like it.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 16, 2017, 06:25:06 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.

I'm not sold on the fit of Harden and CP3. I think there'll definitely be an adjustment period, specifically for CP3. He's used to holding the ball in his hands a lot in a half court setting. We already know Lillard and McCollum can play together - particularly moving off the ball and shooting at a high clip. Add in Nurkic who's a good post presence who's shown he can take advantage when he's given the ball in the post.

I just think Portland's offense is a more natural fit. I can see Melo's role in Portland.

I'm not entirely sold on the CP-Harden fit either, but let's not pretend Lillard-McCollum is some great fit. They work together, but they're both really point guards. As for shooting ability, you do realize Paul is a vastly superior shooter to Lillard, right? I think many fail to realize that Paul truly is one of the league's premier shooters. I don't think Melo's a particularly good fit on either team, because both have two ball-dominant players who are better than Melo, but I'd hesitate to say Melo's a better fit with the lesser talents whom he's also less likely to defer to.

I'm not sure where you're getting this notion that Paul is a vastly better shooter than Lillard. They're both very good to elite-level shooters, and they're both literally at 37% on the dot for their careers. If anything, the case should be made for Lillard being the better shooter, because he's averaging the same percentage at over twice the attempts per game as Paul. Furthermore, the difficulty of Lillard's shots are generally much higher than Paul's shots. Lillard shoots primarily off the dribble from beyond the arc, where Paul (at least in my experience) shoots from long distance just as much off the pass as off the dribble.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01.html

I think it's somewhat misleading to take career numbers for Paul, because he's really elevated himself as a shooter the last ~3 years, performing above his previous career marks in both 3P% and TS%. If we were to split Paul's career into two parts (first 9 seasons, most recent 3), you see an increase in 3P% from 35.7% to 39.3% and TS% from 57.5% to 59.3%. He's improved a lot.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: max215 on July 16, 2017, 06:25:37 PM
Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.

That's a good fit for them. I like it.

Indeed, another great pickup. Morey's (unsurprisingly) killing it.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 16, 2017, 06:26:36 PM
Are there any difference makers left that the Nets could sign, or are they basically done?

Mike
I think derrick rose is available but doubt nets have much interest
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 16, 2017, 07:19:39 PM
Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Melo would be as entertaining as Harden, CP3, and Melo. And probably more competitive.

Don't think he'd waive his NTC though since one of his banana boat buddies aren't there.

What?! The Rockets have two top-7 players. The Blazers...don't.

I'm not sold on the fit of Harden and CP3. I think there'll definitely be an adjustment period, specifically for CP3. He's used to holding the ball in his hands a lot in a half court setting. We already know Lillard and McCollum can play together - particularly moving off the ball and shooting at a high clip. Add in Nurkic who's a good post presence who's shown he can take advantage when he's given the ball in the post.

I just think Portland's offense is a more natural fit. I can see Melo's role in Portland.

I'm not entirely sold on the CP-Harden fit either, but let's not pretend Lillard-McCollum is some great fit. They work together, but they're both really point guards. As for shooting ability, you do realize Paul is a vastly superior shooter to Lillard, right? I think many fail to realize that Paul truly is one of the league's premier shooters. I don't think Melo's a particularly good fit on either team, because both have two ball-dominant players who are better than Melo, but I'd hesitate to say Melo's a better fit with the lesser talents whom he's also less likely to defer to.

I'm not sure where you're getting this notion that Paul is a vastly better shooter than Lillard. They're both very good to elite-level shooters, and they're both literally at 37% on the dot for their careers. If anything, the case should be made for Lillard being the better shooter, because he's averaging the same percentage at over twice the attempts per game as Paul. Furthermore, the difficulty of Lillard's shots are generally much higher than Paul's shots. Lillard shoots primarily off the dribble from beyond the arc, where Paul (at least in my experience) shoots from long distance just as much off the pass as off the dribble.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01.html

I think it's somewhat misleading to take career numbers for Paul, because he's really elevated himself as a shooter the last ~3 years, performing above his previous career marks in both 3P% and TS%. If we were to split Paul's career into two parts (first 9 seasons, most recent 3), you see an increase in 3P% from 35.7% to 39.3% and TS% from 57.5% to 59.3%. He's improved a lot.

Eh, isn't it also a bit misleading to ignore 75% of his career and focus on a mere 25% of his career to gauge his shooting proficiency, even if it is the latest 25%? Lol

But either way, even just looking at his marginal increase in the past three seasons, it's hard to argue that he's a significantly better, or better at all, shooter when Lillard is putting up similar percentages in significantly more attempts with significantly more difficult/contested shots.

And to the larger point you guys were discussing, I really don't like Melo's fit on either team, like at all. Though if you had to pick one, I guess I would say Houston is the better fit, purely because they're veterans (and friends) who should be able to make it work. Paul, Ariza, and Capela could also better make up for Melo's and Harden's defensive deficiencies than Portland.

But hopefully the Knicks just end up accepting something like Love for Anthony instead of shipping him to Houston. I think we matchup much better with a Cleveland team with Melo at the 4 than Love at the 4.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 16, 2017, 07:49:19 PM
Are there any difference makers left that the Nets could sign, or are they basically done?

Mike

They're done.  Saving room for a salary dump trade.

The Nets want to get a top pick in 2019, so don't look for them to make moves this year that might prevent that.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: mef730 on July 17, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
Are there any difference makers left that the Nets could sign, or are they basically done?

Mike

They're done.  Saving room for a salary dump trade.

The Nets want to get a top pick in 2019, so don't look for them to make moves this year that might prevent that.

I'm good with that, as long as they earn a top pick in 2018, as well.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2017, 02:38:38 PM
Are there any difference makers left that the Nets could sign, or are they basically done?

Mike

They're done.  Saving room for a salary dump trade.

The Nets want to get a top pick in 2019, so don't look for them to make moves this year that might prevent that.

I'm good with that, as long as they earn a top pick in 2018, as well.

Mike

They're not going to try to avoid it, which served us well enough last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Cman on July 17, 2017, 03:08:47 PM
Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.

That's a good fit for them. I like it.

Indeed, another great pickup. Morey's (unsurprisingly) killing it.

I'll never understand all the adulation of Morey on CB.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 17, 2017, 05:17:41 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/7d505272cf90477342fa69e27574798e.png)

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/887025973421584385

PS yep, it's an unfortunate typo
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 17, 2017, 05:25:42 PM
Idk why anyone would buy the rockets ... Cp3 and Harden do not work well. And if Melo comes, you now have cp3 and harden standing around watching Melo brick shots. This team got worse and more expensive to run
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 17, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
The Celtics have signed Paul Pierce.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2017, 04:12:33 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c427a1c465222f0e91b19cba44b77650.png)

https://twitter.com/R0BaTO/status/887161657599852544
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BitterJim on July 18, 2017, 07:20:23 AM
Idk why anyone would buy the rockets ... Cp3 and Harden do not work well. And if Melo comes, you now have cp3 and harden standing around watching Melo brick shots. This team got worse and more expensive to run

Do you have any evidence of that, or is it just conjecture? Until we see them play, we can't tell if they fit together or not. You may not think that they'll fit, but until we actually see ithem it's just your opinion, not fact.

Personally, I'd take the team with 2 top 15 players over the team with just one
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: JBcat on July 18, 2017, 07:25:57 AM
Idk why anyone would buy the rockets ... Cp3 and Harden do not work well. And if Melo comes, you now have cp3 and harden standing around watching Melo brick shots. This team got worse and more expensive to run

Do you have any evidence of that, or is it just conjecture? Until we see them play, we can't tell if they fit together or not. You may not think that they'll fit, but until we actually see ithem it's just your opinion, not fact.

Personally, I'd take the team with 2 top 15 players over the team with just one

Great players usually find a way to coexist.  People were saying the same thing about the Heat with their old big 3.  It makes it easier on them sharing the load.

Also see Melo in the Olympics.  He can fit in with other great players.  Lastly both Melo and and Paul are at an age where it's better for them to take more of a backseat.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2017, 07:30:24 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c427a1c465222f0e91b19cba44b77650.png)

https://twitter.com/R0BaTO/status/887161657599852544

He also has no interest in giving up the $54 million in salary they owe him, and I somehow doubt he's give up much of his $8 million trade kicker either.  If he really wanted to go to Houston, I'm sure the Knicks would be happy to release him from his contract.  But he wants to have his $60 million cake and eat it too.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 18, 2017, 08:13:47 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c427a1c465222f0e91b19cba44b77650.png)

https://twitter.com/R0BaTO/status/887161657599852544

He also has no interest in giving up the $54 million in salary they owe him, and I somehow doubt he's give up much of his $8 million trade kicker either.  If he really wanted to go to Houston, I'm sure the Knicks would be happy to release him from his contract.  But he wants to have his $60 million cake and eat it too.

He allegedly asked for a buyout before the draft and the Knicks said no. Buyouts always mean money's being left on the table by the player.  So he was rather recently willing to give up money to get out, but they weren't and claimed they'd explore trades for him. During the press conference yesterday, Mills and Perry both said buying him out wasn't an option for them.

I don't see how Melo did anything in this situation. Even when Phil was publicly blasting him, he handled it well. This is the Knicks realizing Phil destroyed a player's trade value and the offers they're getting are reflecting that.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 18, 2017, 12:03:13 PM
Woj reports Spurs are on the verge of resigning Ginobili. A mild surprise as many thought he'd retire but it looks like he's down for one more run. Good for him, he still was able to make some nice plays in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
Paul Pierce to sign with ESPN today, per Jackie MacMullen
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2017, 12:30:49 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c427a1c465222f0e91b19cba44b77650.png)

https://twitter.com/R0BaTO/status/887161657599852544

He also has no interest in giving up the $54 million in salary they owe him, and I somehow doubt he's give up much of his $8 million trade kicker either.  If he really wanted to go to Houston, I'm sure the Knicks would be happy to release him from his contract.  But he wants to have his $60 million cake and eat it too.

He allegedly asked for a buyout before the draft and the Knicks said no. Buyouts always mean money's being left on the table by the player.  So he was rather recently willing to give up money to get out, but they weren't and claimed they'd explore trades for him. During the press conference yesterday, Mills and Perry both said buying him out wasn't an option for them.

I don't see how Melo did anything in this situation. Even when Phil was publicly blasting him, he handled it well. This is the Knicks realizing Phil destroyed a player's trade value and the offers they're getting are reflecting that.

Do you know how much he was willing to give up in a buyout?  Because none of the reports I heard indicated he was willing to give up anywhere near $50 million.  It's one thing to ask for a release and give up a couple of million.  It's another to do the same and give up $50 million.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on July 18, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
Paul Pierce to sign with ESPN today, per Jackie MacMullen
I had hoped they'd keep him until preseason and start him in Game 1.  :-\
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2017, 12:45:42 PM
Woj reports Spurs are on the verge of resigning Ginobili. A mild surprise as many thought he'd retire but it looks like he's down for one more run. Good for him, he still was able to make some nice plays in the playoffs.

That is pretty surprising, especially after the good bye they had for him in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 18, 2017, 12:52:40 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c427a1c465222f0e91b19cba44b77650.png)

https://twitter.com/R0BaTO/status/887161657599852544

He also has no interest in giving up the $54 million in salary they owe him, and I somehow doubt he's give up much of his $8 million trade kicker either.  If he really wanted to go to Houston, I'm sure the Knicks would be happy to release him from his contract.  But he wants to have his $60 million cake and eat it too.

He allegedly asked for a buyout before the draft and the Knicks said no. Buyouts always mean money's being left on the table by the player.  So he was rather recently willing to give up money to get out, but they weren't and claimed they'd explore trades for him. During the press conference yesterday, Mills and Perry both said buying him out wasn't an option for them.

I don't see how Melo did anything in this situation. Even when Phil was publicly blasting him, he handled it well. This is the Knicks realizing Phil destroyed a player's trade value and the offers they're getting are reflecting that.

Do you know how much he was willing to give up in a buyout?  Because none of the reports I heard indicated he was willing to give up anywhere near $50 million.  It's one thing to ask for a release and give up a couple of million.  It's another to do the same and give up $50 million.

Do you know how much he wasn't willing to give up in a buyout? The point is, he is willing to give up something to get out of NYC free and clear but the Knickerbockers are the unwilling party here.

I get it, Anthony isn't exactly loved or the most respected but the Knicks aren't being held hostage. My favorite tidbit I've read this weekend was this:
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As Perry starts to shape the front office and impact policy, another realization has washed over the organization: Months of organizational harping on Anthony, driven largely by deposed president of basketball operations Jackson, has dramatically lowered Anthony's trade value. Mills and Perry are evaluating whether it's worth allowing time for Anthony's standing around the NBA to be rebuilt, as opposed to trading him at an all-time low, league sources said.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20075037/carmelo-anthony-counting-new-york-knicks-trading-houston-rockets

Um, duh. Did no one in the organization realize this before? I'm not really sure what else Melo is supposed to do. If you asked him a year ago, he would've said he wanted to be a Knick a.k.a he's "loyal", then they spend the past year publicly needling him into accepting a trade, now he does and they've done an about face.

Quite frankly my thinking is this: they signed him to that deal, they gave him the No Trade Clause, they allowed an over-the-hill egomaniac to go on a year long public rampage against him and destroy his trade value. He shouldn't give up a penny.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2017, 12:53:06 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/887524280937975809

chalmers to memphis

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2017, 01:02:29 AM
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/dikembo-mutombo-houston-rockets-ownership-sale/

rockets and mutombo
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 19, 2017, 01:16:54 AM
Idk why anyone would buy the rockets ... Cp3 and Harden do not work well. And if Melo comes, you now have cp3 and harden standing around watching Melo brick shots. This team got worse and more expensive to run

Do you have any evidence of that, or is it just conjecture? Until we see them play, we can't tell if they fit together or not. You may not think that they'll fit, but until we actually see ithem it's just your opinion, not fact.

Personally, I'd take the team with 2 top 15 players over the team with just one

Great players usually find a way to coexist.  People were saying the same thing about the Heat with their old big 3.  It makes it easier on them sharing the load.

Also see Melo in the Olympics.  He can fit in with other great players.  Lastly both Melo and and Paul are at an age where it's better for them to take more of a backseat.
Yeah like westbrook, harden, and KD? oh wait they won 0 championships and made the finals like once and got destroyed. Sorry but having 3 ball stompers doesn't work. Cp3 and harden both LEAD the league in ball possession time
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2017, 01:25:02 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/887484575001325568

doc on paul s departure
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 19, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
Rondo's contract details

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Sources: Free agent Rajon Rondo has signed his one-year deal with New Orleans for $3.3M.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/887795893356814336
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 19, 2017, 07:33:16 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/887484575001325568

doc on paul s departure

Ouch! Doc with an uncharacteristic direct shot at CP3! He must be very bitter about Paul walking out on them.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on July 19, 2017, 07:42:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/887484575001325568

doc on paul s departure

Ouch! Doc with an uncharacteristic direct shot at CP3! He must be very bitter about Paul walking out on them.

Doc is the one who developed Rondo into a ball dominant PG. He forced his way to LA, where CP3 was already established. It seems like Doc is just deflecting blame here.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 19, 2017, 07:51:10 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/887484575001325568

doc on paul s departure

Ouch! Doc with an uncharacteristic direct shot at CP3! He must be very bitter about Paul walking out on them.

Doc is the one who developed Rondo into a ball dominant PG. He forced his way to LA, where CP3 was already established. It seems like Doc is just deflecting blame here.

Exactly. I'm surprised, because Doc is usually the most politically correct coach or GM in the league.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 19, 2017, 08:24:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/887484575001325568

doc on paul s departure

Ouch! Doc with an uncharacteristic direct shot at CP3! He must be very bitter about Paul walking out on them.

Doc is the one who developed Rondo into a ball dominant PG. He forced his way to LA, where CP3 was already established. It seems like Doc is just deflecting blame here.

Exactly. I'm surprised, because Doc is usually the most politically correct coach or GM in the league.

The entire quote actually isn't that bad:
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We’ll have ball movement, you know. That’s one of the things, for the most part, that I’ve always preached. With Chris’ skill, you wanted to take advantage of what he could do, and he was a guy that needed the ball to make plays. And he did it so well, you kind of changed to do that.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 20, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
http://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/888056611729702913

Rose close to signing a one year deal with the Cavs.

Not sure how I feel about this, since Rose is surely a better backup than Calderon, but talk about a fall from grace, huh? In 5-6 years he's going to go from league MVP to what amounts to be a bet minimum guy. Crazy how much injuries have affected his career.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 20, 2017, 11:32:59 AM
http://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/888056611729702913

Rose close to signing a one year deal with the Cavs.

Not sure how I feel about this, since Rose is surely a better backup than Calderon, but talk about a fall from grace, huh? In 5-6 years he's going to go from league MVP to what amounts to be a bet minimum guy. Crazy how much injuries have affected his career.

He's better than Derron Williams was for them last season, but not by much. He's also another ball dominant player with a poor jumper. Not what that team needs
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jambr380 on July 20, 2017, 11:34:22 AM
http://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/888056611729702913

Rose close to signing a one year deal with the Cavs.

Not sure how I feel about this, since Rose is surely a better backup than Calderon, but talk about a fall from grace, huh? In 5-6 years he's going to go from league MVP to what amounts to be a bet minimum guy. Crazy how much injuries have affected his career.

I can tell you how I feel about that...not happy. We were all laughing about the Jeff Green and Calderon signings, but Rose is still a decent player - maybe not an all-star, but a more than capable back-up. I believe the same goes for Jeff Green.

And here we are signing Shane Larkin. Ughh.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 20, 2017, 11:34:25 AM
Idk why anyone would buy the rockets ... Cp3 and Harden do not work well. And if Melo comes, you now have cp3 and harden standing around watching Melo brick shots. This team got worse and more expensive to run

Do you have any evidence of that, or is it just conjecture? Until we see them play, we can't tell if they fit together or not. You may not think that they'll fit, but until we actually see ithem it's just your opinion, not fact.

Personally, I'd take the team with 2 top 15 players over the team with just one

Great players usually find a way to coexist.  People were saying the same thing about the Heat with their old big 3.  It makes it easier on them sharing the load.

Also see Melo in the Olympics.  He can fit in with other great players.  Lastly both Melo and and Paul are at an age where it's better for them to take more of a backseat.
Yeah like westbrook, harden, and KD? oh wait they won 0 championships and made the finals like once and got destroyed. Sorry but having 3 ball stompers doesn't work. Cp3 and harden both LEAD the league in ball possession time
Terrible example in using that OKC team. Westbrook and Harden have both made immense strides since then, and all 3 of those guys are good passers. To call them 'ball stompers' is just ridiculous. The fact is that you have no evidence that Houston won't work, you just don't want it to.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: boscel33 on July 20, 2017, 11:43:33 AM
So, somewhere in the 36 pages of this thread, this may have been mentioned already, but Festus Ezeli was waived on 6/30 by Portland.  Do to his injury history, bet we might be able to get him on the cheap.  Thoughts?

I've never understood the fascination with this dude.  If we wanted a big guy who offers almost nothing aside from blocking shots we should have signed Amida Brimeh and been done with it.

You should look at him a little closer.  He's a guy who has averaged 14.6/9.9 during his career, only averaging 28.8 mpg.  During his high of 34.2 mpg, he was a 19.3/10.9 guy.  BTW, nothing aside from blocks?  He averages .9 per game.

This guy can play and is only 26.

You're referring to Nikola Vucevic, not Ezeli.

Talking about one player, thinking about another.  Had my head where the sun don't shine on that one!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 20, 2017, 11:44:52 AM
Cavs and Derrick Rose in "serious talks" on a 1 year deal. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/derrick-rose-cavaliers-reportedly-serious-talks-one-year-deal-153050823.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/derrick-rose-cavaliers-reportedly-serious-talks-one-year-deal-153050823.html)

Sucks.  If healthy, that'd definitely make Cleveland better.  Truly hate that team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BitterJim on July 20, 2017, 11:46:43 AM
Idk why anyone would buy the rockets ... Cp3 and Harden do not work well. And if Melo comes, you now have cp3 and harden standing around watching Melo brick shots. This team got worse and more expensive to run

Do you have any evidence of that, or is it just conjecture? Until we see them play, we can't tell if they fit together or not. You may not think that they'll fit, but until we actually see ithem it's just your opinion, not fact.

Personally, I'd take the team with 2 top 15 players over the team with just one

Great players usually find a way to coexist.  People were saying the same thing about the Heat with their old big 3.  It makes it easier on them sharing the load.

Also see Melo in the Olympics.  He can fit in with other great players.  Lastly both Melo and and Paul are at an age where it's better for them to take more of a backseat.
Yeah like westbrook, harden, and KD? oh wait they won 0 championships and made the finals like once and got destroyed. Sorry but having 3 ball stompers doesn't work. Cp3 and harden both LEAD the league in ball possession time

You mean in 2011-12, when a team led by a 22 year old and two 23 year olds managed to beat the reigning NBA Champs 4-0, the 2010 NBA Champs 4-1, and the 2014 NBA Champs 4-2, before losing to the best player in the world and the team that would end up winning 2 straight finals?

If Harden hadn't gotten traded that summer we'd be looking at a much different story.  But instead, I guess a bunch of guys on or 1 year off of their rookie contracts losing in the NBA finals is somehow proof that good players can't play together  ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 20, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
http://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/888069057488068608

Uh, so some are suggesting that they want Rose to potentially start next to Kyrie. I mean, not that Smith is some perfect fit there at the 2, but could Rose be any worse of a fit at the 2 between Kyrie and Lebron? Non-shooter, non-defender, ball-dominant, constantly injured, etc.

I wonder if this means they're trying to offload Smith's contract for some luxury tax relief? That'd be the only way replacing Smith with Rose makes any sense to me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2017, 12:49:46 PM
http://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/888069057488068608

Uh, so some are suggesting that they want Rose to potentially start next to Kyrie. I mean, not that Smith is some perfect fit there at the 2, but could Rose be any worse of a fit at the 2 between Kyrie and Lebron? Non-shooter, non-defender, ball-dominant, constantly injured, etc.

I wonder if this means they're trying to offload Smith's contract for some luxury tax relief? That'd be the only way replacing Smith with Rose makes any sense to me.

Are people really not realizing how bad Rose is? If they did start Irving and Rose that may be the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. Two of my best friends are serious Knicks fans and they hated watching him last year by about a week into the season. He definitely had hopes of landing a big contract this summer and it says a lot he will end up with the minimum at 28 years old in a summer George Hill got 20 a year, teague got 18 and Jrue Holiday got 125.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on July 20, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2017, 01:27:04 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 20, 2017, 01:30:55 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
He already does that a fair amount as James consistently brings the ball up the court. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 20, 2017, 01:31:06 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?

Because Lue is a horrible coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Donoghus on July 20, 2017, 01:42:15 PM
Oh yeah, adding Rose should really help CLE with their Golden State problem.....
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2017, 01:51:26 PM
Oh yeah, adding Rose should really help CLE with their Golden State problem.....

Honestly if they had found a way to get Beverly as part of the Paul movement I think they would have increased their chances to beat Golden State by 10%. Another poor defensive, offensive dominant, injury prone player is the quintessential Lebron move. This would also seem to further preclude them from getting Anthony, who while he has same of the flaws as Rose, would help them more.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2017, 01:53:00 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
He already does that a fair amount as James consistently brings the ball up the court.

Moranis you really think they should just have him play off the ball 100%? I feel like the Cavs could sign Ilgauskas as a backup big and you would support the move. They badly needed defensive minded players to not get blown off the floor by Golden State and they have signed Caulderon and Jeff Green and now possibly Rose. How does that help?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: moiso on July 20, 2017, 02:01:45 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
Because being a good dribbler has nothing to do with being a good passer, running plays, and creating for teammates.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Moranis on July 20, 2017, 02:05:53 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
He already does that a fair amount as James consistently brings the ball up the court.

Moranis you really think they should just have him play off the ball 100%? I feel like the Cavs could sign Ilgauskas as a backup big and you would support the move. They badly needed defensive minded players to not get blown off the floor by Golden State and they have signed Caulderon and Jeff Green and now possibly Rose. How does that help?
Not at all, I was merely pointing out that Irving doesn't have the ball in his hand anywhere close to 100% of the time right now because James has it in his so much.  I don't really like Rose as the starting SG.  I think it is a bad idea.  I do however like Rose as the back-up PG that could play with Irving occasionally (so Rose gets like 25 ish minutes a night).  When Rose and Irving are on the floor together, I think it makes more sense for Irving to have the ball then Rose, unless Rose is driving to the hole and kicking it out to Irving as Rose is actually quite good going to the glass and drawing contact.  Rose is pretty terrible at setting up an offense, though frankly Irving is subpar in that as well (James is one of the best ever at doing that, which is why so much of the offense runs through James and it is also why the Cavs are downright terrible when James is on the bench).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 20, 2017, 02:09:51 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
Because being a good dribbler has nothing to do with being a good passer, running plays, and creating for teammates.

It doesn't even really matter.  Rose and Kyrie are both ball-dominant, me-first facilitators.  Obvi LeBron is ball-dominant too (unless it's crunch time).  No matter how you skin the cat, they'll be circling the drain again in next year's Finals.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 20, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
Because being a good dribbler has nothing to do with being a good passer, running plays, and creating for teammates.

Meh Irving is the best at the league beating guys off the dribble (not to mention finishing!). If you have play 100% off the ball with Rose and Lebron handling the ball he has way less opportunities to do that. I mean this is pretty basic stuff...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 20, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
Because being a good dribbler has nothing to do with being a good passer, running plays, and creating for teammates.

It doesn't even really matter.  Rose and Kyrie are both ball-dominant, me-first facilitators.  Obvi LeBron is ball-dominant too (unless it's crunch time).  No matter how you skin the cat, they'll be circling the drain again in next year's Eastern Conference Finals before getting eliminated by Boston.

FTFY
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 20, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
Because being a good dribbler has nothing to do with being a good passer, running plays, and creating for teammates.

It doesn't even really matter.  Rose and Kyrie are both ball-dominant, me-first facilitators.  Obvi LeBron is ball-dominant too (unless it's crunch time).  No matter how you skin the cat, they'll be circling the drain again in next year's Eastern Conference Finals before getting eliminated by Boston.

FTFY

Thanks, typo.  Hope you're right!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Vermont Green on July 20, 2017, 03:17:16 PM
I think Cleveland could play Kyrie off the ball when they are both on the court.  It might reduce the wear and tear on Kyrie not having to handle the ball as much.  Rose will be on the court with the second unit too, no matter how Cleveland tries to sell this in the near term.

Why would you have the best ball handler in the entire NBA play off the ball?
Because being a good dribbler has nothing to do with being a good passer, running plays, and creating for teammates.

This is along the lines of my thinking.  Irving uses his handles to create for himself.  He can still do that if Rose brings up the ball and initiates either a fast break or a set play.  I think Irving will like playing with Rose more than Smith.  I am not suggesting that it is ideal or will put CLE over the top, just that it is workable for the amount of time I would expect that they would both be on the court.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 20, 2017, 10:39:40 PM
[Charania] Free agent Udonis Haslem has signed a one-year, minimum deal to return to the Miami Heat, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/888104856124243968
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 21, 2017, 10:01:50 PM
Sources: Washington star John Wall has agreed to a four-year, $170M extension with the Wizards, including player option and trade kicker.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 21, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
Wow just $500,000 per regular season game. This monopoly money is crazy.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 21, 2017, 10:55:30 PM
[Charania] Free agent Udonis Haslem has signed a one-year, minimum deal to return to the Miami Heat, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/888104856124243968

Haslem hasn't retired yet?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 22, 2017, 05:04:20 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/cb1a0c5c040152730bc55f3ab6a45f00.png)

(drafted at #36 this year)

https://twitter.com/CSNPhilly/status/887107990062608384

Also, I know there is a separate thread but just for having the full record, I post this too

(https://i.gyazo.com/18ce224202b05d5ef50b557af6b055d4.png)

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/888577637261561856
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 22, 2017, 04:21:30 PM
Reportedly Noel back to Mavs

(https://i.gyazo.com/e0aaff261380a62643b65c82d4b0be48.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/888758896617299968
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 22, 2017, 04:32:22 PM
Reportedly Noel back to Mavs

(https://i.gyazo.com/e0aaff261380a62643b65c82d4b0be48.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/888758896617299968

This is just someone guessing.  The same person who said that we were going to trade for Griffin AND Westbrook a year ago this week.

The guess may be accurate, but it is simply a guess.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 22, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Yep, I felt it was premature the moment I posted.It's more of a guessing than anything else.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 22, 2017, 07:46:12 PM
[Charania] Free agent Udonis Haslem has signed a one-year, minimum deal to return to the Miami Heat, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/888104856124243968

Haslem hasn't retired yet?
He's 37 and has played only 390 minutes over the last two seasons combined (in 53 games over the span). He doesn't have much left.

But I love that he's still with Miami. How often does anyone, let alone a non-star player, stay with the same team for his entire career?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 24, 2017, 07:04:33 PM
Derrick Rose has committed to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and completed his physical exam today, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 24, 2017, 07:20:18 PM
Derrick Rose has committed to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and completed his physical exam today, league sources tell The Vertical.

Once he saw the Kyrie news, he was like "where do I sign!"
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 24, 2017, 07:21:15 PM
Derrick Rose has committed to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and completed his physical exam today, league sources tell The Vertical.

Maybe he magically turns his career around and gets his defensive effort off the level it was last year, but this seems more shuffling the deck chairs for the Cavs on the titanic
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 24, 2017, 10:33:03 PM
Quote
Sources: Free agent Pau Gasol's deal to return to Spurs: three years, $48M with a partial guarantee on final year

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/889601791817416704

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 24, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
Quote
Sources: Free agent Pau Gasol's deal to return to Spurs: three years, $48M with a partial guarantee on final year

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/889601791817416704

Spurs with Gasol and Ginobli back, and they added Rudy Gay. Those guys had GSW on the ropes until they lost Kwahi Leonard. They must believe they can take them if healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 24, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
Quote
Sources: Free agent Pau Gasol's deal to return to Spurs: three years, $48M with a partial guarantee on final year

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/889601791817416704

Spurs with Gasol and Ginobli back, and they added Rudy Gay. Those guys had GSW on the ropes until they lost Kwahi Leonard. They must believe they can take them if healthy.
I think they can get them, as long as Zaza doesn't act like a thug again (which might be asking for too much)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 24, 2017, 11:58:00 PM
A team paying big money to a gasol in 2017 isn't winning anything
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 25, 2017, 01:24:51 AM
A team paying big money to a gasol in 2017 isn't winning anything
The Spurs aren't winning anything this year, but it's not because they are paying Gasol big money.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 25, 2017, 01:58:52 AM
Quote
Sources: Free agent Pau Gasol's deal to return to Spurs: three years, $48M with a partial guarantee on final year

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/889601791817416704

16 million for a 40 year old. Sheesh, has that ever happened before?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 25, 2017, 10:43:43 AM
Quote
Sources: Free agent Pau Gasol's deal to return to Spurs: three years, $48M with a partial guarantee on final year

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/889601791817416704

16 million for a 40 year old. Sheesh, has that ever happened before?

The final year is only partially guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 25, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: celticsclay on July 25, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.

Probably helps them a little bit, but I don't feel like Crabbe really moves the needle at all... probably the first bad move from Marks given Crabbe's contract.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 25, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.

Probably helps them a little bit, but I don't feel like Crabbe really moves the needle at all... probably the first bad move from Marks given Crabbe's contract.

No, it's fine.  They'd already gotten a first to take on Nicholson's bad contract, which is the same length as Crabbe's.  So they are paying Crabbe a net of about $36 million over 3 years, since they've moved Nicholson.  That's much closer to Crabbe's worth.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Donoghus on July 25, 2017, 02:47:58 PM
Wow.  Portland cleared a ton of luxury tax there.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 25, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.

Probably helps them a little bit, but I don't feel like Crabbe really moves the needle at all... probably the first bad move from Marks given Crabbe's contract.

Well the Nets did give him that contract in the first place, but Portland matched.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 25, 2017, 02:57:34 PM
Wow.  Portland cleared a ton of luxury tax there.

Yeah, about $40 million.  I think it's a decent trade for the Nets, but Portland is saving a ton of tax money this year, as well as the next two when they'd also have been pushed over the tax.  It makes it not impossible to keep Nurkic going forward.
Title: Crabbe traded to Nets
Post by: Moranis on July 25, 2017, 04:25:51 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said

Andrew Nicholson to Blazers, who will most likely waive him using the stretch provision.

Crabbe actually waived his trade kicker.  It appears he really wanted to be in Brooklyn as that is the team he signed with last off season before the Blazers matched.
Title: Re: Crabbe traded to Nets
Post by: manl_lui on July 25, 2017, 04:31:08 PM
shedding salary for Portland, I wonder if they are still trying to make a run at Melo? Or just trading for the sake of avoiding the luxury tax?
Title: Re: Crabbe traded to Nets
Post by: saltlover on July 25, 2017, 04:34:52 PM
This has been talked about in the Nets thread and free agency thread already.
Title: Re: Crabbe traded to Nets
Post by: Donoghus on July 25, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Already posted.  Merging.

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 25, 2017, 05:05:20 PM
Free agent Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 25, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Free agent Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells ESPN.

But... why???

With Fournier, Payton, Mack, Augustin, and Jonathan Simmons, did they need another guard?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 25, 2017, 05:41:08 PM
Free agent Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells ESPN.

But... why???

With Fournier, Payton, Mack, Augustin, and Jonathan Simmons, did they need another guard?

You need 15 players to fill out a roster. 6 guards seems reasonable.  Whether or not that 6th guard should be Afflalo is a different matter, but 5-7 guards is fine.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on July 25, 2017, 06:39:11 PM
Free agent Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells ESPN.

But... why???

With Fournier, Payton, Mack, Augustin, and Jonathan Simmons, did they need another guard?

You need 15 players to fill out a roster. 6 guards seems reasonable.  Whether or not that 6th guard should be Afflalo is a different matter, but 5-7 guards is fine.

Should've been more clear. I don't get the fit. Reminds me a lot of their signing of Jeff Green last offseason.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 25, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Free agent Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells ESPN.

But... why???

With Fournier, Payton, Mack, Augustin, and Jonathan Simmons, did they need another guard?

You need 15 players to fill out a roster. 6 guards seems reasonable.  Whether or not that 6th guard should be Afflalo is a different matter, but 5-7 guards is fine.

Should've been more clear. I don't get the fit. Reminds me a lot of their signing of Jeff Green last offseason.

Orlando has the ambition of being a playoff team, having been no good for several seasons.  If Afflalo can give them some 3-and-D off the bench in a year when at least a third of the East is actively punting, the marginal value he provides might be worth it.  It's only a 1-year deal for not much money (at most the room exception), he's a familiar face.  It's fine, if not forgettable.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 26, 2017, 03:22:08 AM
Free agent Arron Afflalo has agreed to a one-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells ESPN.

But... why???

With Fournier, Payton, Mack, Augustin, and Jonathan Simmons, did they need another guard?

You need 15 players to fill out a roster. 6 guards seems reasonable.  Whether or not that 6th guard should be Afflalo is a different matter, but 5-7 guards is fine.

Should've been more clear. I don't get the fit. Reminds me a lot of their signing of Jeff Green last offseason.

It makes more sense than their signing of Simmons.

Their glut of wings makes me interested in the price for Hezonja. I'd love to take a flyer on that kid, if he gets the right development he'll be a great shooting guard
Title: Re: Crabbe traded to Nets
Post by: Tr1boy on July 26, 2017, 06:53:57 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said

Andrew Nicholson to Blazers, who will most likely waive him using the stretch provision.

Crabbe actually waived his trade kicker.  It appears he really wanted to be in Brooklyn as that is the team he signed with last off season before the Blazers matched.

that 2018 Nets pick looking worst as weeks go by

its too bad they couldn't just stink for one more season  ;D
Title: Re: Crabbe traded to Nets
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 26, 2017, 07:33:43 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20155116/the-portland-trail-blazers-trading-guard-allen-crabbe-brooklyn-nets-sources-said

Andrew Nicholson to Blazers, who will most likely waive him using the stretch provision.

Crabbe actually waived his trade kicker.  It appears he really wanted to be in Brooklyn as that is the team he signed with last off season before the Blazers matched.

that 2018 Nets pick looking worst as weeks go by

its too bad they couldn't just stink for one more season  ;D
Whatever does happen this year we've had it pretty good the last few seasons!

Also the only way was up for Brooklyn after they traded Lopez. I'm still not sold that they aren't bottom 3 in the conference. Also remember that if they are better than LA at least that improves our chances of getting that pick!
Title: Sources- Crabbe being traded to the Nets
Post by: riptomymom on July 26, 2017, 12:21:47 PM
It looks like Crabbe will be traded from Portland to the Nets for Andrew Nicholson who will be waived.  Crabbe may not have lived up to his salary but did score in double figures and shot 44% from the 3.   I would be more apt to trade next year's pick and the Lakers/Kings pick as well.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jambr380 on July 26, 2017, 01:37:24 PM
Have many people actually looked at the Nets roster? Even with Crabbe, it is still pretty cringe-worthy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets)

Seriously, people are upset that the Nets got Allen 'Overpaid' Crabbe, DeMarre ' Time to Retire' Carroll, and DeAngelo 'Dumped #2 Pick' Russell. And let's not forget, Timofey 'Are You Freakin' Kidding Me' Mozgov.

It's possible they don't end up with the worst record this year, but to see that team as anything but bottom 5 is wearing Barclay's colored glasses.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 26, 2017, 05:36:22 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c180ebb1d48ecef91e99fb8b31d0ff75.png)

https://gyazo.com/c180ebb1d48ecef91e99fb8b31d0ff75
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 26, 2017, 07:49:15 PM
Sindarius Thornwell (drafted at 48 this year) signed a three year contract with the Clips.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article163789533.html
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 27, 2017, 07:46:58 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c180ebb1d48ecef91e99fb8b31d0ff75.png)

https://gyazo.com/c180ebb1d48ecef91e99fb8b31d0ff75
The Magic had a pretty good record with Smith as GM. Could be good. I'm rooting for the King sot figure it out at some point (as long as it doesn't adversely affect that Lakers/Kings pick the C's own).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: gouki88 on July 27, 2017, 07:58:24 AM
Sindarius Thornwell (drafted at 48 this year) signed a three year contract with the Clips.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article163789533.html
Glad he got picked up. Performed really well all throughout the year, and impressed me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on July 27, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4d35a29e10e1cf8e8fd8e8d4f9454f01.png)

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/890630628667908097
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: JBcat on July 27, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4d35a29e10e1cf8e8fd8e8d4f9454f01.png)

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/890630628667908097

Ironic some guy named Cleveland is signed by the Warriors.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 27, 2017, 04:38:33 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4d35a29e10e1cf8e8fd8e8d4f9454f01.png)

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/890630628667908097

Ironic some guy named Cleveland is signed by the Warriors.





 The Cavs just signed Johnny Warrior. I joke. I kid.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 27, 2017, 06:07:25 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2017, 06:30:12 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on July 27, 2017, 07:12:51 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 28, 2017, 09:34:47 AM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Depends on the skillset and team situation.  Role players who are good 3pt shooters are going to get paid.  There will be cases like Porter and Holiday where the team cap situation may dictate an overpay.  Then you have KCP who had to settle for 1yr/17M and Noel who still isn't signed.  The Sixers apparently gave Reddick 15 minutes to decide on their 1yr/23M offer.  I'd expect teams teams to play more hardball.  I'd expect more agents to start pushing their clients to accept team friendly extensions.  For Smart, I'm not sure I'd even go 4 years/40M.  Roberson turned down a 4yr/48M extension and had to settle for 3yr/30M.  This is a perfect time to have a good GM who doesn't go by impulse or infatuation plus ownership that stays out of the way. 

It won't just be role players.  I don't think IT will get near a 4yr Max offer.  There just aren't that many teams that will have the necessary cap space that need a PG that badly.  The PG market is oversaturated.  I don't see IT as a player that opposing GMs and owners are going to be infatuated with.  They'll see him as overachieving in the Boston scheme.  I think he'll end up getting more like 3yr/75M or 4yr/90M. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 28, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
Ramon Sessions to the Knicks at 1 yr/$2.3 million.  This must officially put them out of the Kyrie sweepstakes  :P
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 28, 2017, 04:59:25 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Depends on the skillset and team situation.  Role players who are good 3pt shooters are going to get paid.  There will be cases like Porter and Holiday where the team cap situation may dictate an overpay.  Then you have KCP who had to settle for 1yr/17M and Noel who still isn't signed.  The Sixers apparently gave Reddick 15 minutes to decide on their 1yr/23M offer.  I'd expect teams teams to play more hardball.  I'd expect more agents to start pushing their clients to accept team friendly extensions.  For Smart, I'm not sure I'd even go 4 years/40M.  Roberson turned down a 4yr/48M extension and had to settle for 3yr/30M.  This is a perfect time to have a good GM who doesn't go by impulse or infatuation plus ownership that stays out of the way. 

It won't just be role players.  I don't think IT will get near a 4yr Max offer.  There just aren't that many teams that will have the necessary cap space that need a PG that badly.  The PG market is oversaturated.  I don't see IT as a player that opposing GMs and owners are going to be infatuated with.  They'll see him as overachieving in the Boston scheme.  I think he'll end up getting more like 3yr/75M or 4yr/90M.

Time will tell on IT, plain and simple, but several teams will have max room next summer, and it's not clear how many potential max players will move.  Again, I'm talking middle class, not stars.  Stars still get paid, and IT is not a system player.  He had very good numbers in Sacramento for 3 years.  His half season in Phoenix was right in line.  That he's at All-NBA level in his 6th year in his later 20s isn't the sign of being a system player -- it's the sign of a really good player at the peak of his career.

I do think IT needs a season in between his prior two seasons in terms of quality, such that teams aren't scared he's on his downslope -- he will always be doubted (as this message board is example A of) so he needs to alleviate those doubts.

The primary thing that could work against IT in free agency is if too many major free agents leave their current team.  If LeBron leaves, Cleveland is still over the cap, so that's max money leaving the cap pool without a corresponding amount of cap space opening.  Same thing with Boogie in New Orleans, Westbrook/George in OKC (if one leaves, OKC has no room,  if both leave OKC is still short of max room, but will have a lot of space), Jordan in LA, Paul in Houston, Wiggins in Minnesota, and maybe 1-2 others.  If there are a lot of stars on the move next summer, IT could find out there isn't quite the market.  I find the above scenarios unlikely but not impossible.  More likely than not IT gets the max, or something very close to it (shorter deal, incentives that get the contract up to max, etc.)

As for Smart, he's trickier.  Restricted free agents have a tougher time finding contracts because teams don't want to waste the effort negotiating a contract, that, if fair, gets matched.  In other words, you only get the player if you overpay.  But with Smart, since the Celtics are in the tax, teams might think they will be able to sign him without the fear of the Celtics matching, in which case he's a normal free agent.  He's also only going to be 24, which means you are betting that his best basketball is in his future, not last.  I could see a few teams being interested, such as Phoenix, Dallas (where he's from), OKC if Westbrook and George leave (and where he went to school), Philly, and Indiana.  All of those teams (including OKC with a departed Westbrook and George) will have cap room, are younger teams trying to find players with upside, and will have varying desires to be competitive, but are probably past a tanking stage.  If Smart regresses, that's a different story of course, but if he continues to make incremental improvements, I think he'll be a hot commodity amongst several teams who won't be destinations for max stars.  People call him a role-player, and he is, but as someone who turned 23 near the end of last season and is in his 3rd year.  He's not a 29 year-old role player.  There is a real difference, and that difference is potential, which NBA teams continually show they're willing to pay for.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 28, 2017, 06:22:29 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Depends on the skillset and team situation.  Role players who are good 3pt shooters are going to get paid.  There will be cases like Porter and Holiday where the team cap situation may dictate an overpay.  Then you have KCP who had to settle for 1yr/17M and Noel who still isn't signed.  The Sixers apparently gave Reddick 15 minutes to decide on their 1yr/23M offer.  I'd expect teams teams to play more hardball.  I'd expect more agents to start pushing their clients to accept team friendly extensions.  For Smart, I'm not sure I'd even go 4 years/40M.  Roberson turned down a 4yr/48M extension and had to settle for 3yr/30M.  This is a perfect time to have a good GM who doesn't go by impulse or infatuation plus ownership that stays out of the way. 

It won't just be role players.  I don't think IT will get near a 4yr Max offer.  There just aren't that many teams that will have the necessary cap space that need a PG that badly.  The PG market is oversaturated.  I don't see IT as a player that opposing GMs and owners are going to be infatuated with.  They'll see him as overachieving in the Boston scheme.  I think he'll end up getting more like 3yr/75M or 4yr/90M.

Time will tell on IT, plain and simple, but several teams will have max room next summer, and it's not clear how many potential max players will move.  Again, I'm talking middle class, not stars.  Stars still get paid, and IT is not a system player.  He had very good numbers in Sacramento for 3 years.  His half season in Phoenix was right in line.  That he's at All-NBA level in his 6th year in his later 20s isn't the sign of being a system player -- it's the sign of a really good player at the peak of his career.

I do think IT needs a season in between his prior two seasons in terms of quality, such that teams aren't scared he's on his downslope -- he will always be doubted (as this message board is example A of) so he needs to alleviate those doubts.

The primary thing that could work against IT in free agency is if too many major free agents leave their current team.  If LeBron leaves, Cleveland is still over the cap, so that's max money leaving the cap pool without a corresponding amount of cap space opening.  Same thing with Boogie in New Orleans, Westbrook/George in OKC (if one leaves, OKC has no room,  if both leave OKC is still short of max room, but will have a lot of space), Jordan in LA, Paul in Houston, Wiggins in Minnesota, and maybe 1-2 others.  If there are a lot of stars on the move next summer, IT could find out there isn't quite the market.  I find the above scenarios unlikely but not impossible.  More likely than not IT gets the max, or something very close to it (shorter deal, incentives that get the contract up to max, etc.)

As for Smart, he's trickier.  Restricted free agents have a tougher time finding contracts because teams don't want to waste the effort negotiating a contract, that, if fair, gets matched.  In other words, you only get the player if you overpay.  But with Smart, since the Celtics are in the tax, teams might think they will be able to sign him without the fear of the Celtics matching, in which case he's a normal free agent.  He's also only going to be 24, which means you are betting that his best basketball is in his future, not last.  I could see a few teams being interested, such as Phoenix, Dallas (where he's from), OKC if Westbrook and George leave (and where he went to school), Philly, and Indiana.  All of those teams (including OKC with a departed Westbrook and George) will have cap room, are younger teams trying to find players with upside, and will have varying desires to be competitive, but are probably past a tanking stage.  If Smart regresses, that's a different story of course, but if he continues to make incremental improvements, I think he'll be a hot commodity amongst several teams who won't be destinations for max stars.  People call him a role-player, and he is, but as someone who turned 23 near the end of last season and is in his 3rd year.  He's not a 29 year-old role player.  There is a real difference, and that difference is potential, which NBA teams continually show they're willing to pay for.
There wasn't much demand for IT after his King's or Sun's stints.  We got him for a late 1st even though he was on a good contract.  IT may not be a system guy but he does need to be a focal point of the offense or else his defensive deficiencies start to trump his offense.  I just don't see a team that needs IT enough to justify a 4 year near Max deal.  Lowry had to settle and I think IT will too.  I thought maybe Dallas but they have Smith now. 

As for Smart, defensive oriented players just don't draw big contracts.  Unless he makes a big jump in 3pt shooting, I just don't see teams overpaying for him.  People always mention the Sixers wanting him but I don't see that.  They already have Covington and they need shooters around Simmons.  Bradley is the much better fit for the Sixers and he brings veteran leader ship albeit at a significant cost. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 28, 2017, 07:27:56 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Depends on the skillset and team situation.  Role players who are good 3pt shooters are going to get paid.  There will be cases like Porter and Holiday where the team cap situation may dictate an overpay.  Then you have KCP who had to settle for 1yr/17M and Noel who still isn't signed.  The Sixers apparently gave Reddick 15 minutes to decide on their 1yr/23M offer.  I'd expect teams teams to play more hardball.  I'd expect more agents to start pushing their clients to accept team friendly extensions.  For Smart, I'm not sure I'd even go 4 years/40M.  Roberson turned down a 4yr/48M extension and had to settle for 3yr/30M.  This is a perfect time to have a good GM who doesn't go by impulse or infatuation plus ownership that stays out of the way. 

It won't just be role players.  I don't think IT will get near a 4yr Max offer.  There just aren't that many teams that will have the necessary cap space that need a PG that badly.  The PG market is oversaturated.  I don't see IT as a player that opposing GMs and owners are going to be infatuated with.  They'll see him as overachieving in the Boston scheme.  I think he'll end up getting more like 3yr/75M or 4yr/90M.

Time will tell on IT, plain and simple, but several teams will have max room next summer, and it's not clear how many potential max players will move.  Again, I'm talking middle class, not stars.  Stars still get paid, and IT is not a system player.  He had very good numbers in Sacramento for 3 years.  His half season in Phoenix was right in line.  That he's at All-NBA level in his 6th year in his later 20s isn't the sign of being a system player -- it's the sign of a really good player at the peak of his career.

I do think IT needs a season in between his prior two seasons in terms of quality, such that teams aren't scared he's on his downslope -- he will always be doubted (as this message board is example A of) so he needs to alleviate those doubts.

The primary thing that could work against IT in free agency is if too many major free agents leave their current team.  If LeBron leaves, Cleveland is still over the cap, so that's max money leaving the cap pool without a corresponding amount of cap space opening.  Same thing with Boogie in New Orleans, Westbrook/George in OKC (if one leaves, OKC has no room,  if both leave OKC is still short of max room, but will have a lot of space), Jordan in LA, Paul in Houston, Wiggins in Minnesota, and maybe 1-2 others.  If there are a lot of stars on the move next summer, IT could find out there isn't quite the market.  I find the above scenarios unlikely but not impossible.  More likely than not IT gets the max, or something very close to it (shorter deal, incentives that get the contract up to max, etc.)

As for Smart, he's trickier.  Restricted free agents have a tougher time finding contracts because teams don't want to waste the effort negotiating a contract, that, if fair, gets matched.  In other words, you only get the player if you overpay.  But with Smart, since the Celtics are in the tax, teams might think they will be able to sign him without the fear of the Celtics matching, in which case he's a normal free agent.  He's also only going to be 24, which means you are betting that his best basketball is in his future, not last.  I could see a few teams being interested, such as Phoenix, Dallas (where he's from), OKC if Westbrook and George leave (and where he went to school), Philly, and Indiana.  All of those teams (including OKC with a departed Westbrook and George) will have cap room, are younger teams trying to find players with upside, and will have varying desires to be competitive, but are probably past a tanking stage.  If Smart regresses, that's a different story of course, but if he continues to make incremental improvements, I think he'll be a hot commodity amongst several teams who won't be destinations for max stars.  People call him a role-player, and he is, but as someone who turned 23 near the end of last season and is in his 3rd year.  He's not a 29 year-old role player.  There is a real difference, and that difference is potential, which NBA teams continually show they're willing to pay for.
There wasn't much demand for IT after his King's or Sun's stints.  We got him for a late 1st even though he was on a good contract.  IT may not be a system guy but he does need to be a focal point of the offense or else his defensive deficiencies start to trump his offense.  I just don't see a team that needs IT enough to justify a 4 year near Max deal.  Lowry had to settle and I think IT will too.  I thought maybe Dallas but they have Smith now. 

As for Smart, defensive oriented players just don't draw big contracts.  Unless he makes a big jump in 3pt shooting, I just don't see teams overpaying for him.  People always mention the Sixers wanting him but I don't see that.  They already have Covington and they need shooters around Simmons.  Bradley is the much better fit for the Sixers and he brings veteran leader ship albeit at a significant cost.

IT had decent interest.  As someone only 3 years removed from being pick 60, he wasn't seen as a star, but he ultimately signed for about the 2014 equivalent of what Dion Waiters signed for this year.  Desirable, not a star, with some question marks.  And then he exceeded those expectations, but that doesn't mean he's a system player.  He can score at all three levels, and has proven he is able to play starter minutes at the point without any dip in production, which people he doubted he could do.  He's answered those questions.  He's going to get paid, and it will hopefully be by Boston.  He's no more a system PG than Brady is a system QB. 

And I don't know why you bring up Kyle Lowry as a reason IT will get less.  He just signed a deal that averages $31 million a year, at age 31, with incentives that take it up to averaging $33.3 million a year.  IT will hit free agency two years younger.  A max deal with another team next year would average $32.8 million over four years.  That's virtually identical to what Lowry got, with an extra year, but again, he'd be two years younger.

I'm done talking about Smart, because every time I talk about him I qualify it with saying that he's young and needs to continue to show a little improvement, and I'm tired of people thinking that 23 year-olds are what they are.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 28, 2017, 09:17:24 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Depends on the skillset and team situation.  Role players who are good 3pt shooters are going to get paid.  There will be cases like Porter and Holiday where the team cap situation may dictate an overpay.  Then you have KCP who had to settle for 1yr/17M and Noel who still isn't signed.  The Sixers apparently gave Reddick 15 minutes to decide on their 1yr/23M offer.  I'd expect teams teams to play more hardball.  I'd expect more agents to start pushing their clients to accept team friendly extensions.  For Smart, I'm not sure I'd even go 4 years/40M.  Roberson turned down a 4yr/48M extension and had to settle for 3yr/30M.  This is a perfect time to have a good GM who doesn't go by impulse or infatuation plus ownership that stays out of the way. 

It won't just be role players.  I don't think IT will get near a 4yr Max offer.  There just aren't that many teams that will have the necessary cap space that need a PG that badly.  The PG market is oversaturated.  I don't see IT as a player that opposing GMs and owners are going to be infatuated with.  They'll see him as overachieving in the Boston scheme.  I think he'll end up getting more like 3yr/75M or 4yr/90M.

Time will tell on IT, plain and simple, but several teams will have max room next summer, and it's not clear how many potential max players will move.  Again, I'm talking middle class, not stars.  Stars still get paid, and IT is not a system player.  He had very good numbers in Sacramento for 3 years.  His half season in Phoenix was right in line.  That he's at All-NBA level in his 6th year in his later 20s isn't the sign of being a system player -- it's the sign of a really good player at the peak of his career.

I do think IT needs a season in between his prior two seasons in terms of quality, such that teams aren't scared he's on his downslope -- he will always be doubted (as this message board is example A of) so he needs to alleviate those doubts.

The primary thing that could work against IT in free agency is if too many major free agents leave their current team.  If LeBron leaves, Cleveland is still over the cap, so that's max money leaving the cap pool without a corresponding amount of cap space opening.  Same thing with Boogie in New Orleans, Westbrook/George in OKC (if one leaves, OKC has no room,  if both leave OKC is still short of max room, but will have a lot of space), Jordan in LA, Paul in Houston, Wiggins in Minnesota, and maybe 1-2 others.  If there are a lot of stars on the move next summer, IT could find out there isn't quite the market.  I find the above scenarios unlikely but not impossible.  More likely than not IT gets the max, or something very close to it (shorter deal, incentives that get the contract up to max, etc.)

As for Smart, he's trickier.  Restricted free agents have a tougher time finding contracts because teams don't want to waste the effort negotiating a contract, that, if fair, gets matched.  In other words, you only get the player if you overpay.  But with Smart, since the Celtics are in the tax, teams might think they will be able to sign him without the fear of the Celtics matching, in which case he's a normal free agent.  He's also only going to be 24, which means you are betting that his best basketball is in his future, not last.  I could see a few teams being interested, such as Phoenix, Dallas (where he's from), OKC if Westbrook and George leave (and where he went to school), Philly, and Indiana.  All of those teams (including OKC with a departed Westbrook and George) will have cap room, are younger teams trying to find players with upside, and will have varying desires to be competitive, but are probably past a tanking stage.  If Smart regresses, that's a different story of course, but if he continues to make incremental improvements, I think he'll be a hot commodity amongst several teams who won't be destinations for max stars.  People call him a role-player, and he is, but as someone who turned 23 near the end of last season and is in his 3rd year.  He's not a 29 year-old role player.  There is a real difference, and that difference is potential, which NBA teams continually show they're willing to pay for.
There wasn't much demand for IT after his King's or Sun's stints.  We got him for a late 1st even though he was on a good contract.  IT may not be a system guy but he does need to be a focal point of the offense or else his defensive deficiencies start to trump his offense.  I just don't see a team that needs IT enough to justify a 4 year near Max deal.  Lowry had to settle and I think IT will too.  I thought maybe Dallas but they have Smith now. 

As for Smart, defensive oriented players just don't draw big contracts.  Unless he makes a big jump in 3pt shooting, I just don't see teams overpaying for him.  People always mention the Sixers wanting him but I don't see that.  They already have Covington and they need shooters around Simmons.  Bradley is the much better fit for the Sixers and he brings veteran leader ship albeit at a significant cost.

IT had decent interest.  As someone only 3 years removed from being pick 60, he wasn't seen as a star, but he ultimately signed for about the 2014 equivalent of what Dion Waiters signed for this year.  Desirable, not a star, with some question marks.  And then he exceeded those expectations, but that doesn't mean he's a system player.  He can score at all three levels, and has proven he is able to play starter minutes at the point without any dip in production, which people he doubted he could do.  He's answered those questions.  He's going to get paid, and it will hopefully be by Boston.  He's no more a system PG than Brady is a system QB. 

And I don't know why you bring up Kyle Lowry as a reason IT will get less.  He just signed a deal that averages $31 million a year, at age 31, with incentives that take it up to averaging $33.3 million a year.  IT will hit free agency two years younger.  A max deal with another team next year would average $32.8 million over four years.  That's virtually identical to what Lowry got, with an extra year, but again, he'd be two years younger.

I'm done talking about Smart, because every time I talk about him I qualify it with saying that he's young and needs to continue to show a little improvement, and I'm tired of people thinking that 23 year-olds are what they are.
You haven't mentioned any specific teams you think might offer IT a 4 year near Max deal.  In the West, don't really see any team having much interest except maybe Denver.  In the East, maybe Indiana or the Bulls but they'd be better off rebuilding. 

I mentioned Lowry because he really didn't draw much interest from other teams.  Toronto could have played hardball and gotten him for quite a bit less but they were satisfied not having to give him a 4th year. 

I didn't say that Smart couldn't improve but I don't expect it.  He shot 29% from 3 in 2 college seasons and he's shooting 29% from 3 in 3 NBA seasons.  If his 4th season is similar, I don't see him getting any big offers.  He'll be 24 and teams aren't going to project significant improvement. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 28, 2017, 09:22:46 PM
Donatas Motiejunas is still out there on the available free agents list. He's still a young, talented big man who can shoot from outside and post up. That contract ordeal with Houston really hurt his career. Where do you guys think he ends up?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on July 28, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Mo Speights minimum deal in Orlando...

What a head scratcher! Turns down a player option for 2.11 and ends up getting slightly less, loses Bird rights, is playing for a non-competitor.

I know he has his limitations.. But Jeeesus.

I'm not surprised.  I said months ago the players who were going to get squeezed by the new CBA were the NBA's middle class.  Max salaries went up, and max players were always going to get theirs.  Rookie salaries and cap holds went up even more, also cutting into cap and tax space.  Minimum salaries increased substantially as well, including for players on already signed minimum deals who had their salaries bumped.  Meanwhile, the revenue split didn't change.  The changes to draft picks and minimum salaries alone cost teams $3-5 million, and then if you were maxing a player, add another $3-4 million.  Combine that with a cap and luxury tax that came in under projections, and the well of money available for the Speights of the world had completely dried up.

It'll be like that going forward, although in a couple of seasons you'll likely see a few more players get the newly increased non-taxpayer mid-level.  Really it's a return to the early days of the last CBA, when rookie salaries and minimum deals took up a lot more space, except this time if there's a cap spike those salaries will jump at the same time, so the middle class really needs to get used to this.  It will get a little better for the upper-tier of the middle class when the contracts signed last summer drop off the books, but only so much.

Thank you thank you thank you. Please keep repeating this.

Perhaps folks might back off the idea that our role players (like Smart) will get $15-20M per. Role players (essentially, non-stars) are lucky to ever see a nickel over the mid level on the open market once the cap spike issues are worked out.
Depends on the skillset and team situation.  Role players who are good 3pt shooters are going to get paid.  There will be cases like Porter and Holiday where the team cap situation may dictate an overpay.  Then you have KCP who had to settle for 1yr/17M and Noel who still isn't signed.  The Sixers apparently gave Reddick 15 minutes to decide on their 1yr/23M offer.  I'd expect teams teams to play more hardball.  I'd expect more agents to start pushing their clients to accept team friendly extensions.  For Smart, I'm not sure I'd even go 4 years/40M.  Roberson turned down a 4yr/48M extension and had to settle for 3yr/30M.  This is a perfect time to have a good GM who doesn't go by impulse or infatuation plus ownership that stays out of the way. 

It won't just be role players.  I don't think IT will get near a 4yr Max offer.  There just aren't that many teams that will have the necessary cap space that need a PG that badly.  The PG market is oversaturated.  I don't see IT as a player that opposing GMs and owners are going to be infatuated with.  They'll see him as overachieving in the Boston scheme.  I think he'll end up getting more like 3yr/75M or 4yr/90M.

Time will tell on IT, plain and simple, but several teams will have max room next summer, and it's not clear how many potential max players will move.  Again, I'm talking middle class, not stars.  Stars still get paid, and IT is not a system player.  He had very good numbers in Sacramento for 3 years.  His half season in Phoenix was right in line.  That he's at All-NBA level in his 6th year in his later 20s isn't the sign of being a system player -- it's the sign of a really good player at the peak of his career.

I do think IT needs a season in between his prior two seasons in terms of quality, such that teams aren't scared he's on his downslope -- he will always be doubted (as this message board is example A of) so he needs to alleviate those doubts.

The primary thing that could work against IT in free agency is if too many major free agents leave their current team.  If LeBron leaves, Cleveland is still over the cap, so that's max money leaving the cap pool without a corresponding amount of cap space opening.  Same thing with Boogie in New Orleans, Westbrook/George in OKC (if one leaves, OKC has no room,  if both leave OKC is still short of max room, but will have a lot of space), Jordan in LA, Paul in Houston, Wiggins in Minnesota, and maybe 1-2 others.  If there are a lot of stars on the move next summer, IT could find out there isn't quite the market.  I find the above scenarios unlikely but not impossible.  More likely than not IT gets the max, or something very close to it (shorter deal, incentives that get the contract up to max, etc.)

As for Smart, he's trickier.  Restricted free agents have a tougher time finding contracts because teams don't want to waste the effort negotiating a contract, that, if fair, gets matched.  In other words, you only get the player if you overpay.  But with Smart, since the Celtics are in the tax, teams might think they will be able to sign him without the fear of the Celtics matching, in which case he's a normal free agent.  He's also only going to be 24, which means you are betting that his best basketball is in his future, not last.  I could see a few teams being interested, such as Phoenix, Dallas (where he's from), OKC if Westbrook and George leave (and where he went to school), Philly, and Indiana.  All of those teams (including OKC with a departed Westbrook and George) will have cap room, are younger teams trying to find players with upside, and will have varying desires to be competitive, but are probably past a tanking stage.  If Smart regresses, that's a different story of course, but if he continues to make incremental improvements, I think he'll be a hot commodity amongst several teams who won't be destinations for max stars.  People call him a role-player, and he is, but as someone who turned 23 near the end of last season and is in his 3rd year.  He's not a 29 year-old role player.  There is a real difference, and that difference is potential, which NBA teams continually show they're willing to pay for.
There wasn't much demand for IT after his King's or Sun's stints.  We got him for a late 1st even though he was on a good contract.  IT may not be a system guy but he does need to be a focal point of the offense or else his defensive deficiencies start to trump his offense.  I just don't see a team that needs IT enough to justify a 4 year near Max deal.  Lowry had to settle and I think IT will too.  I thought maybe Dallas but they have Smith now. 

As for Smart, defensive oriented players just don't draw big contracts.  Unless he makes a big jump in 3pt shooting, I just don't see teams overpaying for him.  People always mention the Sixers wanting him but I don't see that.  They already have Covington and they need shooters around Simmons.  Bradley is the much better fit for the Sixers and he brings veteran leader ship albeit at a significant cost.

IT had decent interest.  As someone only 3 years removed from being pick 60, he wasn't seen as a star, but he ultimately signed for about the 2014 equivalent of what Dion Waiters signed for this year.  Desirable, not a star, with some question marks.  And then he exceeded those expectations, but that doesn't mean he's a system player.  He can score at all three levels, and has proven he is able to play starter minutes at the point without any dip in production, which people he doubted he could do.  He's answered those questions.  He's going to get paid, and it will hopefully be by Boston.  He's no more a system PG than Brady is a system QB. 

And I don't know why you bring up Kyle Lowry as a reason IT will get less.  He just signed a deal that averages $31 million a year, at age 31, with incentives that take it up to averaging $33.3 million a year.  IT will hit free agency two years younger.  A max deal with another team next year would average $32.8 million over four years.  That's virtually identical to what Lowry got, with an extra year, but again, he'd be two years younger.

I'm done talking about Smart, because every time I talk about him I qualify it with saying that he's young and needs to continue to show a little improvement, and I'm tired of people thinking that 23 year-olds are what they are.
You haven't mentioned any specific teams you think might offer IT a 4 year near Max deal.  In the West, don't really see any team having much interest except maybe Denver.  In the East, maybe Indiana or the Bulls but they'd be better off rebuilding. 

I mentioned Lowry because he really didn't draw much interest from other teams.  Toronto could have played hardball and gotten him for quite a bit less but they were satisfied not having to give him a 4th year. 

I didn't say that Smart couldn't improve but I don't expect it.  He shot 29% from 3 in 2 college seasons and he's shooting 29% from 3 in 3 NBA seasons.  If his 4th season is similar, I don't see him getting any big offers.  He'll be 24 and teams aren't going to project significant improvement.

Chicago, Dallas, Indiana, Philadelphia, and Lakers are all potential landing spots.  Lowry drew early interest from Minnesota, but he and Toronto quickly indicated that they could reach a deal together.

Anyway, this is the 2017 free agency thread, so it's time to end this discussion here.  We'll have plenty of time over the next 11 months to revisit it.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on July 28, 2017, 09:39:04 PM
Donatas Motiejunas is still out there on the available free agents list. He's still a young, talented big man who can shoot from outside and post up. That contract ordeal with Houston really hurt his career. Where do you guys think he ends up?

That was the work of the great B.J. Armstrong who lost his client 30 million dollars. Motiejunas should sue.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 28, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
Houston Rockets and Demetrius Jackson have agreed to a two-way deal, league sources told @BBallInsiders.


Brandon Jennings signs 1yr deal in China
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on July 28, 2017, 10:58:09 PM
Donatas Motiejunas is still out there on the available free agents list. He's still a young, talented big man who can shoot from outside and post up. That contract ordeal with Houston really hurt his career. Where do you guys think he ends up?

That was the work of the great B.J. Armstrong who lost his client 30 million dollars. Motiejunas should sue.


Yeah. I'm shocked BJ Armstrong still has NBA clients. Who the heck would want to risk their payday like that?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on August 01, 2017, 08:26:46 PM
Free agent Ian Clark has agreed to a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 06, 2017, 09:16:18 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247112/Luke-Babbitt-Agrees-Upon-One-Year-$19M-Deal-With-Hawks

Babbit 1.9 mill/1 year to the Hawks
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 07, 2017, 06:10:01 AM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on August 07, 2017, 06:12:05 AM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/

Might he?  That's so generous of him!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 09, 2017, 12:54:22 AM
(I guess I'll be posting here waiting for the 2017-8 season thread to open)

(https://i.gyazo.com/a88c7fdfa3b63ad0b625dad3b5ea06d1.png)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20286965/nba-issues-memo-detailing-how-add-rest-schedule

"Some of the new improvements include:

 • Eliminating stretches of four games in five days and 18 games in 30 days.

 • Reduction of five games in seven nights to just 40 instances across (1.3 per team), down from last year when it was on the schedule 90 times (three per team).

• Reduction in number of back-to-backs to 14.9 per team, down from 16.3 per team. In all, 40 back-to-backs have been eliminated from last season.

• Reduction of single-game road trips by 17 percent.

• Reduction in single-game road trips over 2,000 miles by 67 percent; there are only 11 of them on schedule.

• Increase in weekend games from 549 to 568, much of the boost coming on Saturdays. Previously the NBA avoided Saturdays and Sunday afternoons during football season to dodge conflicts.

Teams that have seen versions of their schedules can petition the league for changes. However, the overall themes will stay intact"
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on August 09, 2017, 07:38:45 AM
(I guess I'll be posting here waiting for the 2017-8 season thread to open)

(https://i.gyazo.com/a88c7fdfa3b63ad0b625dad3b5ea06d1.png)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20286965/nba-issues-memo-detailing-how-add-rest-schedule

"Some of the new improvements include:

 • Eliminating stretches of four games in five days and 18 games in 30 days.

 • Reduction of five games in seven nights to just 40 instances across (1.3 per team), down from last year when it was on the schedule 90 times (three per team).

• Reduction in number of back-to-backs to 14.9 per team, down from 16.3 per team. In all, 40 back-to-backs have been eliminated from last season.

• Reduction of single-game road trips by 17 percent.

• Reduction in single-game road trips over 2,000 miles by 67 percent; there are only 11 of them on schedule.

• Increase in weekend games from 549 to 568, much of the boost coming on Saturdays. Previously the NBA avoided Saturdays and Sunday afternoons during football season to dodge conflicts.

Teams that have seen versions of their schedules can petition the league for changes. However, the overall themes will stay intact"

Hopefully this helps with injuries. Biggest issue is lack of rest to let the muscles heal after games. Me and my wife had talked about this and young kids playing too much basketball these days and why there seems to be so many injuries now. She's seen a lot more kids lately, and a bulk of them do more than one sport at a time, and do multiple travel leagues.

And more weekend games during the winter will be great, especially if you live in a snowy weather climate. :)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on August 17, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
Free agent Donald Sloan, a 5-year NBA veteran, has agreed on a one-year deal with the Washington Wizards, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on August 17, 2017, 06:10:03 PM
Free agent Donald Sloan, a 5-year NBA veteran, has agreed on a one-year deal with the Washington Wizards, league sources tell The Vertical.

We're screwed.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on August 17, 2017, 10:47:48 PM

Wisconsin's Nigel Hayes has agreed to a partially guaranteed deal with the Knicks, league source tells ESPN.

kinda funny considering..


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/college/nigel-hayes-trashes-dirty-new-york-wisconsin-florida-article-1.3007022
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: boscel33 on August 18, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/


Might he?  That's so generous of him!

The Clippers went for that price in 2014, so it's not inconceivable, especially since they own their own building in Brooklyn.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on August 18, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
Sources: Mavericks to sign center Jeff Withey. @ShamsCharania report. sports.yahoo.com/sources-maveri…
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Androslav on August 18, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
Sources: Mavericks to sign center Jeff Withey. @ShamsCharania report. sports.yahoo.com/sources-maveri…
Their latest Noel contract trick.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on August 18, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/

I'm a native New Yorker and wouldn't even know he still owns the team if not for following the NBA like I do. He has taken a huge step back away from the limelight. When they made that trade, he was everywhere. Now? Nowhere. He should sell the team.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on August 18, 2017, 11:35:22 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/

I'm a native New Yorker and wouldn't even know he still owns the team if not for following the NBA like I do. He has taken a huge step back away from the limelight. When they made that trade, he was everywhere. Now? Nowhere. He should sell the team.

To me, him stepping away from the spotlight is a sign that he better understands the role of an owner. How many NBA owners can you name without Google/Wikipedia? All the stuff he was doing at the beginning - going for the splashiest coaching hire,  guaranteeing a championship in 5 years - were the hallmarks of inexperience.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 20, 2017, 11:26:54 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c6dbd1c8686ab5d7466ef8ff91d34def.png)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2728453-pacers-reportedly-filing-charges-against-lakers-for-tampering-with-paul-george
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on August 20, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c6dbd1c8686ab5d7466ef8ff91d34def.png)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2728453-pacers-reportedly-filing-charges-against-lakers-for-tampering-with-paul-george

Tampering is really hard to prove so Indy must have some sort of proof.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on August 20, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
ha ha ha...now this would be funny if the lakers get penalized.

maybe take away all laker first round picks for the next...oh... 214 years or so.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 21, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/dc9c499b9003f5f8e928393fcef0aa16.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/21/warriors-steve-kerr-i-expect-to-coach-all-season-and-for-many-years-ahead/
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Birdman on August 21, 2017, 09:08:54 PM
Shabazz  Muhammed still without a team?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on August 21, 2017, 11:21:08 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c6dbd1c8686ab5d7466ef8ff91d34def.png)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2728453-pacers-reportedly-filing-charges-against-lakers-for-tampering-with-paul-george

Tampering is really hard to prove so Indy must have some sort of proof.

Didn't Danny get a fine for sitting next to Durant mother at a UT game? The Lakers will at least get a fine or something.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Bucketgetter on August 22, 2017, 12:09:49 AM
Shabazz  Muhammed still without a team?
I think he'll re sign with the wolves for the minimum. They have playing time on the wing behind Butler and Wiggins.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 22, 2017, 06:19:26 PM
Noel apparently is now represented by Rich Paul.  His 3rd agent in less than a year. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 23, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
Noel reportedly turned down a deal that averaged 17.5M.  His head is either way too big or he's getting some really dumb advice. 

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on August 23, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
Noel reportedly turned down a deal that averaged 17.5M.  His head is either way too big or he's getting some really dumb advice.
From the Mavs? Jeez...that would be the overpay of the century.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 23, 2017, 09:18:58 PM
Noel reportedly turned down a deal that averaged 17.5M.  His head is either way too big or he's getting some really dumb advice.
From the Mavs? Jeez...that would be the overpay of the century.
The last couple offseasons it wouldn't have been considering contracts for Mozgov, Biyambo, Mahinmi.  But this offseason is for the most part a whole different story (ignore Knicks Hardaway deal).  There's no reason for the Mavs to cave in.  They should just dare Noel to take the qualifying offer. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on August 24, 2017, 06:39:53 AM
Noel reportedly turned down a deal that averaged 17.5M.  His head is either way too big or he's getting some really dumb advice.
From the Mavs? Jeez...that would be the overpay of the century.
The last couple offseasons it wouldn't have been considering contracts for Mozgov, Biyambo, Mahinmi.  But this offseason is for the most part a whole different story (ignore Knicks Hardaway deal).  There's no reason for the Mavs to cave in.  They should just dare Noel to take the qualifying offer.
See, it still would've been an overpay, same as all those deals were at the time. Teams acted like kids in a sweet store with the cap spike, spending at will. It was widely said at the time that because there was no cap smoothing, some of these teams would get found out a few years later. They did, the Lakers basically crippled their cap, as did the Knicks and Magic.
The reason that Noel can't get anything this summer is because of contracts like Mozgov clogging other teams' cap space. So he's hard done by in that regard, but anything over $10-12m for Noel is an overpay based on the value of his skillset in the modern NBA.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on August 24, 2017, 07:06:44 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c6dbd1c8686ab5d7466ef8ff91d34def.png)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2728453-pacers-reportedly-filing-charges-against-lakers-for-tampering-with-paul-george

Tampering is really hard to prove so Indy must have some sort of proof.

Didn't Danny get a fine for sitting next to Durant mother at a UT game? The Lakers will at least get a fine or something.

Yeah, but that was obvious and dumb by Danny, and wasn't tampering.  You're not allowed to have contact with amateur players' family members like that, barring a pre-existing relationship.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 24, 2017, 07:44:38 AM
Noel reportedly turned down a deal that averaged 17.5M.  His head is either way too big or he's getting some really dumb advice.
From the Mavs? Jeez...that would be the overpay of the century.
The last couple offseasons it wouldn't have been considering contracts for Mozgov, Biyambo, Mahinmi.  But this offseason is for the most part a whole different story (ignore Knicks Hardaway deal).  There's no reason for the Mavs to cave in.  They should just dare Noel to take the qualifying offer.
See, it still would've been an overpay, same as all those deals were at the time. Teams acted like kids in a sweet store with the cap spike, spending at will. It was widely said at the time that because there was no cap smoothing, some of these teams would get found out a few years later. They did, the Lakers basically crippled their cap, as did the Knicks and Magic.
The reason that Noel can't get anything this summer is because of contracts like Mozgov clogging other teams' cap space. So he's hard done by in that regard, but anything over $10-12m for Noel is an overpay based on the value of his skillset in the modern NBA.
You didn't just say overpay.  You said overpay of the century.  I was pointing out that was a severe exaggeration.  With the Knicks Hardaway contract, it wouldn't even be the overpay of this offseason.  Mozgov, Biyambo, Mahinmi, to name a few, are much worse. 

Noel is a good defensive center who can defend on the perimeter.  He's very switchable.  He also runs the court well as well as finishes on pick and rolls.  That's still a good skillset for a center in the modern NBA. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 24, 2017, 08:44:46 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/58444924a05ccc4007e9cd7cf9ad3c0c.png)

http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/08/young-players-sick-of-dwyane-wade-buyout-chicago-bulls?utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on August 24, 2017, 10:14:11 AM
Noel reportedly turned down a deal that averaged 17.5M.  His head is either way too big or he's getting some really dumb advice.
From the Mavs? Jeez...that would be the overpay of the century.
The last couple offseasons it wouldn't have been considering contracts for Mozgov, Biyambo, Mahinmi.  But this offseason is for the most part a whole different story (ignore Knicks Hardaway deal).  There's no reason for the Mavs to cave in.  They should just dare Noel to take the qualifying offer.
See, it still would've been an overpay, same as all those deals were at the time. Teams acted like kids in a sweet store with the cap spike, spending at will. It was widely said at the time that because there was no cap smoothing, some of these teams would get found out a few years later. They did, the Lakers basically crippled their cap, as did the Knicks and Magic.
The reason that Noel can't get anything this summer is because of contracts like Mozgov clogging other teams' cap space. So he's hard done by in that regard, but anything over $10-12m for Noel is an overpay based on the value of his skillset in the modern NBA.
You didn't just say overpay.  You said overpay of the century.  I was pointing out that was a severe exaggeration.  With the Knicks Hardaway contract, it wouldn't even be the overpay of this offseason.  Mozgov, Biyambo, Mahinmi, to name a few, are much worse. 

Noel is a good defensive center who can defend on the perimeter.  He's very switchable.  He also runs the court well as well as finishes on pick and rolls.  That's still a good skillset for a center in the modern NBA.
Ah I see. Yes is was hyperbole to say I overpay of the century.
It's a good skillset for under $10m a year. Any more than that starts to get sketchy. Without comparing him to the other overpaid centers (which we should not be using to justify a salary for him), who are the comparable players to him? There are the max guys like Gobert and Drummond who are a few levels above Noel, then there are the exception/minimum guys like McGee, who Noel is better than. There isn't much in the middle ground, unfortunately for him. He isn't a 2 way player like KAT or Embiid, he isn't an all rounder like Horford or Gasol, he's basically a 4/5th guy on a good team. He's the Marcus Smart type but in a much less important position. There's just no way you can justify spending a lot of money on him.
Whatever he gets, Smart should get 25% more due to the importance of his position (perimeter defender, ball handler as well). So think about what you'd spend on Smart and then scale it down for Noel.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 25, 2017, 03:57:13 PM
Quote
Iman Shumpert also requested a trade after the season, multiple sources told ESPN. Cleveland was in talks to trade Shumpert and his $10.3 million contract to Minnesota or Houston, but both deals fell apart. Logic would tell you that the Cavs will remain motivated to find a team to take Shumpert.

A Cavs source told ESPN simply that the team is "not closing the door" on more trades before training camp opens in late September.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20447378/nba-questions-remain-cavs-kyrie-irving-trade
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 25, 2017, 04:03:38 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/69afadbdda13ec55cc1353f606f6b4d3.png)

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/08/25/kid-asks-brad-stevens-why-celtics-traded-isaiah-thomas
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on August 25, 2017, 04:03:48 PM
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/celtics-notes-bogut-irving-j-brown-tatum.html

Himmelsbach has reported that we've contacted Bogut about our last open roster spot. Interesting.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on August 25, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/69afadbdda13ec55cc1353f606f6b4d3.png)

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/08/25/kid-asks-brad-stevens-why-celtics-traded-isaiah-thomas

Lol 10 seconds apart.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on August 25, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/69afadbdda13ec55cc1353f606f6b4d3.png)

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/08/25/kid-asks-brad-stevens-why-celtics-traded-isaiah-thomas

Lol 10 seconds apart.

im using a laptop so i have the keyboard advantage  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on August 26, 2017, 01:25:22 PM
Nerlens back to Dallas for QO

Quote
Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes

Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.

1:10 PM · Aug 26, 2017

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 26, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Wow, that's surprising!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on August 26, 2017, 01:47:55 PM
Wow. I wonder what it would take to get him. Do you think something like Yabu and the Clippers pick would work? I'm not sure about giving up the Memphis pick, but I think Noel could possibly be available after this disaster of a summer, though he'd have to agree to come here.

Obviously he'll be affordable next summer with even less money to go around, but I'd love his fit here. He'd also be a good young big prospect for us to build around, and he'd also help us with our current lack of bigs:

PG: Irving, Rozier
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Tatum
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Noel, Baynes

He'd hurt our starting lineup spacing a bit, but he'd probably really help our rebounding and defense, especially our interior defense.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on August 26, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
Wow, that's surprising!

I'm not surprised. He seems affronted that no-one wants to pay him $20m a year for a limited skill set. The only surprise will be his when he's faced with the same situation next summer.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on August 29, 2017, 02:28:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIaLQN2UMAANEYo?format=jpg)

Sully to the Nets?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on August 29, 2017, 02:53:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIaLQN2UMAANEYo?format=jpg)

Sully to the Nets?

Interesting..here is hoping Sully finds himself in Brooklyn, and puts up daily double doubles for them after our picks and trade become official of course! If not, here is hoping he finds out how good NY area pizza truly is  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BitterJim on August 29, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
Wow. I wonder what it would take to get him. Do you think something like Yabu and the Clippers pick would work? I'm not sure about giving up the Memphis pick, but I think Noel could possibly be available after this disaster of a summer, though he'd have to agree to come here.

Obviously he'll be affordable next summer with even less money to go around, but I'd love his fit here. He'd also be a good young big prospect for us to build around, and he'd also help us with our current lack of bigs:

PG: Irving, Rozier
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Tatum
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Noel, Baynes

He'd hurt our starting lineup spacing a bit, but he'd probably really help our rebounding and defense, especially our interior defense.

No way. Because he signed the QO, any team that trades for him does not get his Bird Rights. We would lose him next summer for nothing because we'll have no way to sign him to the money he clearly wants
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on August 29, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIaLQN2UMAANEYo?format=jpg)

Sully to the Nets?

Interesting..here is hoping Sully finds himself in Brooklyn, and puts up daily double doubles for them after our picks and trade become official of course! If not, here is hoping he finds out how good NY area pizza truly is  ;D
If the Nets pick goes to Cleveland, I will have a lot of fun rooting for Sully to tear it up and get Brooklyn to 30 wins. :)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on August 29, 2017, 05:07:54 PM
Nerlens back to Dallas for QO

Quote
Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes

Nerlens Noel signs 1-year, $4.1 million QO to return to Mavs, league sources tell ESPN. Reported $17M "offer " was non-existent in any form.

1:10 PM · Aug 26, 2017


Didn't get get an offer for 4 years at 17 million? These agents stink.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on August 29, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIaLQN2UMAANEYo?format=jpg)

Sully to the Nets?

Interesting..here is hoping Sully finds himself in Brooklyn, and puts up daily double doubles for them after our picks and trade become official of course! If not, here is hoping he finds out how good NY area pizza truly is  ;D
we need rondo to sabatage the pelicans, and sully to sabatage the nets. once in green, always in green
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on August 30, 2017, 11:03:15 PM
Just was on Trademachine to play around, and noticed that Gerald Green was on the pay roll.

One year, 5 mill. I'm cool with that if its true, bench needs some vet scoring, and he played well during the playoffs.

Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on August 31, 2017, 05:04:11 AM
Just was on Trademachine to play around, and noticed that Gerald Green was on the pay roll.

One year, 5 mill. I'm cool with that if its true, bench needs some vet scoring, and he played well during the playoffs.

It's not true.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 01, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
LAL was fined $500,000 for tampering with the Pacers.

This article has a detailed account of the story, but it's p much everywhere on the internet now.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/31/lakers-500k-fine-tampering-paul-george
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 01, 2017, 11:18:23 AM
Bulls likely to waive Pondexter and Cameron Payne. Also, in the article below some embarrassing  details about the Bulls FO. I enjoyed this one in particular:

Quote
"We knew the second practice [after Payne was acquired] that he couldn’t play at [an NBA] level,’’ the source said. “The only reason it took two practices was because we thought maybe it was nerves in the first one.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/source-bulls-got-gar-red-in-the-cameron-payne-trade/
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 06, 2017, 12:17:53 AM
Atlanta Hawks center Miles Plumlee arrested on mairjuna possession

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2017/09/05/miles-plumlee-arrest-mairjuna/

Magic Johnson asked Jeanie Buss to take the tampering fine out of his salary

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-tampering-magic-johnson-jeanie-buss-20170905-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jdz101 on September 06, 2017, 01:50:37 AM
Bulls likely to waive Pondexter and Cameron Payne. Also, in the article below some embarrassing  details about the Bulls FO. I enjoyed this one in particular:

Quote
"We knew the second practice [after Payne was acquired] that he couldn’t play at [an NBA] level,’’ the source said. “The only reason it took two practices was because we thought maybe it was nerves in the first one.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/source-bulls-got-gar-red-in-the-cameron-payne-trade/

How Garpax haven't been fired is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 06, 2017, 06:26:58 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/3c9d26a3524bd5b7a43b169b3e2ec41a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/905552124607688704
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on September 06, 2017, 06:34:37 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/3c9d26a3524bd5b7a43b169b3e2ec41a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/905552124607688704

Hope he sticks. Even if only so he gets vested in the pension.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on September 06, 2017, 07:31:14 PM
I don't expect young to stay there. Pelicans could have used a SG and passed
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 06, 2017, 08:04:27 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/3c9d26a3524bd5b7a43b169b3e2ec41a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/905552124607688704
Good luck with that (to both Young and the Bucks).
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 07, 2017, 01:11:06 PM
Bulls likely to waive Pondexter and Cameron Payne. Also, in the article below some embarrassing  details about the Bulls FO. I enjoyed this one in particular:

Quote
"We knew the second practice [after Payne was acquired] that he couldn’t play at [an NBA] level,’’ the source said. “The only reason it took two practices was because we thought maybe it was nerves in the first one.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/source-bulls-got-gar-red-in-the-cameron-payne-trade/

How Garpax haven't been fired is beyond me.

(https://i.gyazo.com/0abdad0d8471b885bbc72273af74c677.png)

"Dwyane Wade's relationship with the Chicago Bulls may be on thin ice. According to HoopsHype's Alex Kennedy on Wednesday, Wade reportedly has grown frustrated with Bulls brass because he received "assurances from the front office that it would field a competitive team" before he opted into his $23.8 million player option for the 2017-18 season.  Wade made the call to see out his tenure in the Windy City on June 20."

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/9471f6b9-4292-3823-8cbb-385fa8ad1c27/ss_dwyane-wade-reportedly.html
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 08, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/


Might he?  That's so generous of him!

The Clippers went for that price in 2014, so it's not inconceivable, especially since they own their own building in Brooklyn.

found an article today claiming Prokhorov is selling.

>Brooklyn Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov is ready for a long goodbye.

>The Russian billionaire, unable to sell a minority stake in the money-losing NBA franchise, now plans to off-load a controlling stake in the team, two sources close to the situation told The Post.

>However, Prokhorov is hoping to sell the Nets in a two-part process, the sources said. First, the 52-year-old will look to sell a minority piece of the team — but give the buyer the right to buy the entire team in a short period of time — say three years, the sources said. [...]

>Prokhorov acquired the Nets in 2010. There is speculation on why he wants to retain control for a few more seasons.

>“I think he saves face by being a partner in a two-step transaction,” a source said.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/07/mikhail-prokhorovs-complicated-plan-for-selling-undesirable-nets/
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 08, 2017, 12:34:36 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, but I can't think of a better thread either.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ed3ee2e0868f20ea3989b43a9c506370.png)

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/06/report-mikhail-prokhorov-might-be-willing-to-sell-nets-if-prices-reaches-2-billion/


Might he?  That's so generous of him!

The Clippers went for that price in 2014, so it's not inconceivable, especially since they own their own building in Brooklyn.

found an article today claiming Prokhorov is selling.

>Brooklyn Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov is ready for a long goodbye.

>The Russian billionaire, unable to sell a minority stake in the money-losing NBA franchise, now plans to off-load a controlling stake in the team, two sources close to the situation told The Post.

>However, Prokhorov is hoping to sell the Nets in a two-part process, the sources said. First, the 52-year-old will look to sell a minority piece of the team — but give the buyer the right to buy the entire team in a short period of time — say three years, the sources said. [...]

>Prokhorov acquired the Nets in 2010. There is speculation on why he wants to retain control for a few more seasons.

>“I think he saves face by being a partner in a two-step transaction,” a source said.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/07/mikhail-prokhorovs-complicated-plan-for-selling-undesirable-nets/
This would be kind of hilarious since it looks like Brooklyn is being run by competent people for once. By the time he sells, they'll probably have finally turned it around.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on September 09, 2017, 12:33:12 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4d35a29e10e1cf8e8fd8e8d4f9454f01.png)

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/890630628667908097

Oh ffs.  Unbelievable.


Wisconsin's Nigel Hayes has agreed to a partially guaranteed deal with the Knicks, league source tells ESPN.

kinda funny considering..


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/college/nigel-hayes-trashes-dirty-new-york-wisconsin-florida-article-1.3007022

Sigh.  Good luck, Nigel. #ShouldHaveBeenACeltic
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BDeCosta26 on September 09, 2017, 03:45:48 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4d35a29e10e1cf8e8fd8e8d4f9454f01.png)

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/890630628667908097

Oh ffs.  Unbelievable.


Wisconsin's Nigel Hayes has agreed to a partially guaranteed deal with the Knicks, league source tells ESPN.

kinda funny considering..


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/college/nigel-hayes-trashes-dirty-new-york-wisconsin-florida-article-1.3007022

Sigh.  Good luck, Nigel. #ShouldHaveBeenACeltic

Ah, yes. The classic "What the hell Danny! You passed right over this obscure undrafted guy from 3 years ago! For what?! See, the man just has a terrible eye for talent. This kid is gonna be Sixth Man of the Year in the Chinese league next year, and you don't even bring him in for a try out?! Terrible!"

I love your takes BLA. They are straight 🔥
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on September 09, 2017, 03:52:23 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4d35a29e10e1cf8e8fd8e8d4f9454f01.png)

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/890630628667908097

Oh ffs.  Unbelievable.


Wisconsin's Nigel Hayes has agreed to a partially guaranteed deal with the Knicks, league source tells ESPN.

kinda funny considering..


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/college/nigel-hayes-trashes-dirty-new-york-wisconsin-florida-article-1.3007022

Sigh.  Good luck, Nigel. #ShouldHaveBeenACeltic

Ah, yes. The classic "What the hell Danny! You passed right over this obscure undrafted guy from 3 years ago! For what?! See, the man just has a terrible eye for talent. This kid is gonna be Sixth Man of the Year in the Chinese league next year, and you don't even bring him in for a try out?! Terrible!"

I love your takes BLA. They are straight

Oh come now, man, let me have my fun ;D, and Cleveland actually really impressed a lot of people during the summer league and probably would have garnered even more attention had he started.  I honestly think that you'd really like him.  Plus, it would have been funny to see him and Jaylen Brown on the court at the same time, if only during the preseason/summer just so that you'd see "Cleveland" next to "Brown", haha ;D.

TP for making me laugh, though :). Did you ever get my PM from back in July, btw?

Edit: I forgot to mention that Cleveland went undrafted this past year, so no, he wasn't the winner of the 6th man of the year in the Chinese league, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on September 09, 2017, 03:57:04 AM
I can't believe nobody's made a joke about a guy named Cleveland playing for Golden State.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on September 09, 2017, 04:13:07 AM
I can't believe nobody's made a joke about a guy named Cleveland playing for Golden State.

There are a couple in this thread, actually, haha ;D.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on September 11, 2017, 05:44:10 PM
Shams Charania‏Verified account @ShamsCharania  23m23 minutes ago
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 Free agent Tony Allen is finalizing a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on September 11, 2017, 07:02:57 PM
Free agent center Tyler Zeller is finalizing a two-year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on September 11, 2017, 07:09:33 PM
New Orleans is finalizing a training camp deal for free agent center Perry Jones, league source tells ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on September 11, 2017, 07:18:49 PM
New Orleans is finalizing a training camp deal for free agent center Perry Jones, league source tells ESPN.


The legend of PJ3 still lives!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Birdman on September 11, 2017, 07:33:47 PM
Free agent center Tyler Zeller is finalizing a two-year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell ESPN.
Like this for Zeller
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 11, 2017, 07:40:06 PM
Free agent center Tyler Zeller is finalizing a two-year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell ESPN.
Like this for Zeller
Dude will probably start over Mozgov, think he can earn some money with his next contract after playing a 2 man game with Lin whenever he's on the floor. Also improves the Nets, which is good.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: hpantazo on September 11, 2017, 07:45:23 PM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: gouki88 on September 11, 2017, 07:59:59 PM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
When Lin was healthy last season they were considerably better than when he wasn't, going 13-23. If that continues this season with their additional new guys they could be similar to that, and win 32 or so games.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Bucketgetter on September 11, 2017, 08:24:49 PM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
The worst bigs in the NBA by far
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 12, 2017, 03:45:43 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/f2c66f0010ee07572b0ced6b9ff762fc.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/907352949541818369
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 12, 2017, 05:29:12 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
When Lin was healthy last season they were considerably better than when he wasn't, going 13-23. If that continues this season with their additional new guys they could be similar to that, and win 32 or so games.
If Lin is healthy they'll make the playoffs, he's just a special player that seems to improve his team wherever he goes.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: BitterJim on September 12, 2017, 06:56:24 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
When Lin was healthy last season they were considerably better than when he wasn't, going 13-23. If that continues this season with their additional new guys they could be similar to that, and win 32 or so games.

When Lin and Lopez were healthy they were okay, but with Lin and no Lopez they were 0-2 or 0-3. Lin alone didn't win them any games last year, and they haven't brought in anyone that will have an impact similar to Lopez. 32 wins would surprise me (even in the weak East)
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 12, 2017, 07:26:41 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
When Lin was healthy last season they were considerably better than when he wasn't, going 13-23. If that continues this season with their additional new guys they could be similar to that, and win 32 or so games.

When Lin and Lopez were healthy they were okay, but with Lin and no Lopez they were 0-2 or 0-3. Lin alone didn't win them any games last year, and they haven't brought in anyone that will have an impact similar to Lopez. 32 wins would surprise me (even in the weak East)
Actually I really like a Lin-Zeller combo in the PnP or the PnR, Lin is a great fit with Zeller and vice versa. I think they'll overachieve and win 34 games or so.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: moiso on September 12, 2017, 07:53:20 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
The worst bigs in the NBA by far
Worst wings too.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 12, 2017, 08:54:32 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
The worst bigs in the NBA by far
Worst wings too.

Gotta be a bottom 5 backcourt too, though that could change if Russell makes strides.

Basically they need 2-3 young guys to be either efficient enough to help in a lot of games or explosive enough to swing the outcome of a few. And even then best case is probably like 32-34 wins.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Somebody on September 12, 2017, 09:00:23 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
The worst bigs in the NBA by far
Worst wings too.

Gotta be a bottom 5 backcourt too, though that could change if Russell makes strides.

Basically they need 2-3 young guys to be either efficient enough to help in a lot of games or explosive enough to swing the outcome of a few. And even then best case is probably like 32-34 wins.
Russell seems to have made strides with all those crazy clips about him this summer, and Lin is no slouch. I'd say they have a pretty good backcourt.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 12, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
Nets may not be quite as bad as last season. They now have:

D'angelo Russell, Jeremy Lin and Isaiah Whitehead in the backcourt,

Allen Crabbe, Joe Harris, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Caris Levert and Demarre Carroll on the wings,

and Zeller, Mozgov, and Trevor Booker inside.

Combine that with no incentive to tank, and they can do alright in the east.
The worst bigs in the NBA by far
Worst wings too.

Gotta be a bottom 5 backcourt too, though that could change if Russell makes strides.

Basically they need 2-3 young guys to be either efficient enough to help in a lot of games or explosive enough to swing the outcome of a few. And even then best case is probably like 32-34 wins.
Russell seems to have made strides with all those crazy clips about him this summer, and Lin is no slouch. I'd say they have a pretty good backcourt.

Lin is ok, but is a journeyman for a reason and is coming off an injury-riddled year.  Russell is talented but was traded in what amounted to mostly a salary dump for a reason too. 

Russell could move them up if he excels but looking over the league there are several teams that are comparably bad but few that are clearly worse.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 12, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
Agreement to build a $600m privately financed arena at Seattle Center, to be announced on Tuesday.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/arena/660-million-keyarena-site-announcement-expected-tuesday-by-seattle-oak-view/473972650
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on September 13, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
Miami Heat guard Josh Richardson is finalizing a 4-year, $42M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on September 13, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
Miami Heat guard Josh Richardson is finalizing a 4-year, $42M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Alert*Marcus Smart extension watch*Alert
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Atzar on September 13, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Miami Heat guard Josh Richardson is finalizing a 4-year, $42M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

I actually like that deal.  Richardson was a solid defender last year and a solid offensive player in his rookie year.  Never really got on track offensively last year after getting hurt early on, if I recall.  If he can put the two pieces together, he's a valuable player. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: saltlover on September 13, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
Miami Heat guard Josh Richardson is finalizing a 4-year, $42M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Alert*Marcus Smart extension watch*Alert

Neat use of the new extension rules by Miami.  In terms of Smart, this has to be very near the most Miami can offer Richardson.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 19, 2017, 03:46:03 PM
Mason Plumlee re-signs with Denver at 3 years @ 41M.  Think I would have let him take the QO. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Beat LA on September 22, 2017, 09:57:15 AM
Quote
The Indiana Pacers and free agent forward Jarrod Uthoff have agreed to a one-year, partially guaranteed deal, a league source told Basketball Insiders.

Uthoff, who shot 46 percent from beyond the arc in the G-league last year before being called up by the Dallas Mavericks, gives Indiana 20 players heading into training camp.

Uthoff passed on EuroLeague offers as well as offers from three other NBA teams, Basketball Insiders has learned.

The 24-year-old forward averaged 4.4 points and 2.6 rebounds in 12.8 minutes per game while playing in nine games for the Mavericks last season.

Nooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on September 22, 2017, 03:43:19 PM
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The Indiana Pacers and free agent forward Jarrod Uthoff have agreed to a one-year, partially guaranteed deal, a league source told Basketball Insiders.

Uthoff, who shot 46 percent from beyond the arc in the G-league last year before being called up by the Dallas Mavericks, gives Indiana 20 players heading into training camp.

Uthoff passed on EuroLeague offers as well as offers from three other NBA teams, Basketball Insiders has learned.

The 24-year-old forward averaged 4.4 points and 2.6 rebounds in 12.8 minutes per game while playing in nine games for the Mavericks last season.

Nooooooooooooo!

And this: "Kris Humphries signing with 76ers"
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Roy H. on September 22, 2017, 08:23:30 PM
Gerald signing with the Bucks.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on September 22, 2017, 09:26:29 PM
Gerald signing with the Bucks.

Good for him. Seems to have gotten his act together. Especially after the hurricane and him running around trying to help people. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Threadi
Post by: CelticsElite on September 22, 2017, 09:35:22 PM
Green with the bucks?

Greak Freak with the Green Freak. Should be fun to watch
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 23, 2017, 01:12:02 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/ca202e231ed78240874c35431044c8f1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/911637746124558336
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Joyride on September 23, 2017, 01:17:16 PM
This is so awesome on so many levels. Hurts the Lakers standings and Rockets, Thunder and Golden State are going to be beaten down come the finals. All we gotta do is outlast Lebron, Love and a hobbled IT
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
This is so awesome on so many levels. Hurts the Lakers standings and Rockets, Thunder and Golden State are going to be beaten down come the finals. All we gotta do is outlast Lebron, Love and a hobbled IT
good points.  West is going to be a bloodbath where as we can just kick embiid in the knee first round, wear black to the wizards 2nd round, and destroy lebron and friends
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 23, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/911652942008242176

(https://i.gyazo.com/51c3a70e29c20a558bc10f4b0423fdce.png)

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/911652683894988800

(https://i.gyazo.com/df85739e642408cd411783311e982bf8.png)

If I'm doing this correctly, they are Ntilikina (Belgium), Porzingis (Latvia), Kanter (Turkey), Kuzminskas (Lithuania), Hernangomez (Spain), Rathan Mayes (Canadian). Maybe Isola counted Noah too, but he has American citizenship.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:44:11 PM
Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).

Looks like that last roster spot will remain open during the season for flexibility.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 23, 2017, 03:55:04 PM
Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).

Looks like that last roster spot will remain open during the season for flexibility.

yay, Khimki vs CSKA will be good fun this year
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on September 24, 2017, 04:23:48 AM
Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).

Looks like that last roster spot will remain open during the season for flexibility.
I hope so. No need to fill it now when there should be much better options later in the year
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: More Banners on September 24, 2017, 07:04:05 PM
Alex Len takes $4.2M QO from PHX.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on September 24, 2017, 07:28:13 PM
Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).

Looks like that last roster spot will remain open during the season for flexibility.
I hope so. No need to fill it now when there should be much better options later in the year

This is often repeated, but incorrect. We aren't tied to a player we sign and can always waive these veteran minimum players for either injury or performance. The Cavs did it last year with Bogut to Sanders to Tavares.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Surferdad on September 24, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).

Looks like that last roster spot will remain open during the season for flexibility.
I hope so. No need to fill it now when there should be much better options later in the year

This is often repeated, but incorrect. We aren't tied to a player we sign and can always waive these veteran minimum players for either injury or performance. The Cavs did it last year with Bogut to Sanders to Tavares.
To call it incorrect is overstating it.  Yes, they can waive players, but they still get paid, so to be generally avoided.  C's did pay Ben Bentil $250k a few years ago, essentially for the flexibility to waive him.  However, waiving bigger contracts is a bad use of resources.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on September 24, 2017, 09:15:14 PM
Thomas Robinson signed with Khimki Moscow (Russian Team).

Looks like that last roster spot will remain open during the season for flexibility.
I hope so. No need to fill it now when there should be much better options later in the year

This is often repeated, but incorrect. We aren't tied to a player we sign and can always waive these veteran minimum players for either injury or performance. The Cavs did it last year with Bogut to Sanders to Tavares.
To call it incorrect is overstating it.  Yes, they can waive players, but they still get paid, so to be generally avoided.  C's did pay Ben Bentil $250k a few years ago, essentially for the flexibility to waive him.  However, waiving bigger contracts is a bad use of resources.

There aren't bigger contracts to waive. We can only sign veteran minimum guys and would only be responsible for less than 1.5 million regardless of his tenure. That figure is also assuming the player received a fully guaranteed deal. What are the resources you're referring to?
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: bdm860 on September 24, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
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The Bulls and Dwyane Wade have reached agreement on a buyout, per sources.

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Sources: Cleveland, San Antonio and Miami are leaders for Dwyane Wade post-Bulls buyout. OKC could become factor too.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 25, 2017, 12:20:37 PM
Sixers signed Emeka Okafor for their training camp.  By this point, I didn't think they'd have any Okafor on their roster but now they have two. 
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nickagneta on September 25, 2017, 01:25:17 PM
Sixers signed Emeka Okafor for their training camp.  By this point, I didn't think they'd have any Okafor on their roster but now they have two.
With the signing of Amir and bringing in Humphries and Emeka, I can't help but question when these vets are going to get playing time. The sixers front court was already loaded with Embiid, Okafor, Saric, Holmes and Simmons. Emeka and Humphries can only be training camp and preseason fodder.

The Humphries signing especially puzzles me. Why would he sign a non-guaranteed deal to sit on the bench. You would think he had to have guaranteed minimum contract offers out their somewhere.

Unless of course, Embiid is still hurt and Okafor is going to be traded as soon as possible.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RJ87 on September 25, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
Sixers signed Emeka Okafor for their training camp.  By this point, I didn't think they'd have any Okafor on their roster but now they have two.
With the signing of Amir and bringing in Humphries and Emeka, I can't help but question when these vets are going to get playing time. The sixers front court was already loaded with Embiid, Okafor, Saric, Holmes and Simmons. Emeka and Humphries can only be training camp and preseason fodder.

The Humphries signing especially puzzles me. Why would he sign a non-guaranteed deal to sit on the bench. You would think he had to have guaranteed minimum contract offers out their somewhere.

Unless of course, Embiid is still hurt and Okafor is going to be traded as soon as possible.

Embiid still isn't cleared for 5 on 5, he might miss the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: MattyIce on September 25, 2017, 08:25:24 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Birdman on September 25, 2017, 08:40:29 PM
Sixers signed Emeka Okafor for their training camp.  By this point, I didn't think they'd have any Okafor on their roster but now they have two. Thought Emeka retire lol
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on September 26, 2017, 12:26:00 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nebist on September 26, 2017, 12:41:58 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market

Yeah, so I bet that would now be the floor for any Smart extension prior to the season.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: liam on September 26, 2017, 01:37:57 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market

That seems like too much for TJ Warren but they are projecting giving Aaron Gordon Four years/$100 million, Embiid a 5 year max, Exum Four years/$64 million, Marcus Smart Four years/$80 million and Julius Randle Four years/$70 million. These are some crazy numbers for some very unproven players. At Least Smart, Gordon and Emblid can defend their positions. Looking at these numbers it is little wonder why DA had to deal Bradley. Bradley is only 26 and has gotten better every year and is better than any of these guys not named Emblid ( But this guy has only played like 30 NBA games and isn't ready to go this year, yet.) Bradley is going to sign a 100 million dollar contract somewhere....  These numbers are going to level out at some point and there will be a lot of teams paying a lot of over priced contracts. I'd love got have Marcus on this team but 4 years 80 million seems crazy. I was thinking half that. 4 years 40 million and thinking it was a bit of a risk with Marcus's shooting. I really like Marcus but 80 million? Wow...
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on September 26, 2017, 01:41:42 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market
Wow those are some crazy predictions. I think signing Smart to the same deal as Warren would be a good idea but any higher and you may as well wait til the summer. Thats a lot for TJ Warren.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: jambr380 on September 26, 2017, 02:26:50 AM
Those extension numbers seem a little on the high side. There are already a number of decent free agents on the market next offseason and many teams have already used up much of their cap space. Why would teams who hold RFA rights pay so much to keep these players unless they are forced to?

For many of these players to get those increases salaries, they are going to need to become stars. I love Marcus, but unless he is an all-star this season, then $80M just isn't going to work.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: trickybilly on September 26, 2017, 04:15:58 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market
Wow those are some crazy predictions. I think signing Smart to the same deal as Warren would be a good idea but any higher and you may as well wait til the summer. Thats a lot for TJ Warren.

If Marcus goes like 14 for 24 in the pre-season games, you just know there are going to be people here clamouring for him to get like a 72mill extension or something.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on September 26, 2017, 05:02:20 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market

This article has been written in March. Back then most NBA associates were still clueless about the new salary landscape. Teams slowly are getting acquainted with proper valuing the new contracts. Players, agents and writers will have to follow. So these predictions are just meaningless.

25 million for Gordon or 16 million for Exum is straight out ridiculous.

The 10 million for Smart estimate by Liam is more in line with what is reasonable. This contract for Warren is on the high end of the spectrum (logical, because otherwise his agent would try out the free agent market). Also Bradley won't get a 100 million contract. No NBA-team will invest such an amount for the type of player he is. I will be surprised if he gets more than 18 million a year, unless it's a one-year-deal with the 76'ers.
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: nickagneta on September 26, 2017, 11:11:50 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn  34m34 minutes ago
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 Phoenix Suns forward TJ Warren has agreed to a four-year, $50M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Interesting. No doubt this will be a reference point in the Marcus Smart negotiations. Is this the first guy to get an extension out of that class?

Also, I just saw this slightly scary prediction from RealGM https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245269/Previewing-The-2014-Draft-Class-Extension-Market
This article is from March and was based on 2016 free agent contracts. We saw an evening out of the player salaries from most teams this summer and doubt these numbers apply anymore. They are just too high for this very mediocre to poor draft class. If Smart can't inprove his shooting, he probably lands in TJ Warren contract territory
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: greece66 on September 26, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
update on IT's recovery

>The All-Star point guard, acquired from Boston this summer in a blockbuster trade, has made progress with his hip injury, and the Cavaliers expect him to be playing games by January. [...] Thomas doesn't need surgery.>

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/09/25/isaiah-thomas-cleveland-cavaliers-injury-return-january
Title: Re: 2017 Free Agency Rumors/Signings Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 26, 2017, 08:29:58 PM
update on IT's recovery

>The All-Star point guard, acquired from Boston this summer in a blockbuster trade, has made progress with his hip injury, and the Cavaliers expect him to be playing games by January. [...] Thomas doesn't need surgery.>

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/09/25/isaiah-thomas-cleveland-cavaliers-injury-return-january
That's a pretty big chunk of the season. If IT was still in green, I would feel like garbage about that. What's he going to look like after all that time off?

God forbid IT is never the same after this injury, Ainge could still look like he got away with another one when it's all said and done.