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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Tr1boy on June 19, 2017, 10:27:48 AM
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would you be suprised? ;D
I think Ainge has 1) decided on a type of "wing" he wants or 2) will draft one of Tatum or Ball if Jackson is taken at #2
Scenerio 1
76ers - Fultz
Lakers - Ball
Celtics - Jackson
Scenerio 2)
76ers- Fultz
Lakers - Jackson
Trade
To Kings : #3 (Fox) , #53, #56
To Celtics: #5, #10, #34
Celtics draft
#5 - Tatum or Ball (since one will drop with Fox taken at #3)
#10 - Isaac, Markkanen or Smith Jr. Perhaps take a chance at Giles
* you can also trade the #34, #37 to move up a spot or two from #10 to get the player you want
;)
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
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IF we aren't going to sign a major free agent or use these picks on a trade, I'd be thrilled to land Tatum and Smith at #5 and #10. But we would be definitely taking the 2020 route at that point.
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
Yeah, really doubt Ball would fall to 5 (although that's approximately where I rank him).
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Just want the Celtics need; more draft picks. ::)
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Just want the Celtics need; more draft picks. ::)
We can then move #5 for 3 future first rounders and #10 for 2 more. Never enough picks ;D
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I just don't understand how so many people think that automatically Sacramento would be willing to part with #5 & #10 for #3. Where or when did anyone other than several people on this board think that was feasible?
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
Well the Celtics would play the chess game
Celtics ask or Kings inquire about #3 pick. Unless Celtics know its Fox they want. They don't make this trade (as Suns could take Tatum at #4 and Celtics don't come out with anybody they want in the top 5)
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IF we aren't going to sign a major free agent or use these picks on a trade, I'd be thrilled to land Tatum and Smith at #5 and #10. But we would be definitely taking the 2020 route at that point.
Don't need to make such a huge jump already
Take these two picks.
July 1st, speak to Hayward. If he agrees to come but wants max. You construct/deconstruct the lineup to make it happen. There is a market for Rozier. You can unload Zeller while at it (perhaps include two 2 nd round picks)
BUT
if Hayward does not sign, or no other big moves are in the Celtics fortune. Well now you have some insurance with 2 top 10 talents going into next season
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
Well the Celtics would play the chess game
Celtics ask or Kings inquire about #3 pick. Unless Celtics know its Fox they want. They don't make this trade (as Suns could take Tatum at #4 and Celtics don't come out with anybody they want in the top 5)
No reason to play the chess game. Just trade the pick if you don't want Ball. Frankly, I don't see why the Kings would make that trade, unless they want Ball or Jackson. If they are fine with Fox or someone else, then I just don't see the need for them to trade up. If Fox goes, 4, then they just take Tatum at 5 and Smith or Frank N. at 10 and they are fine.
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I think the 3 for 5 and 10 deal is one you only consider on draft night. So, if the Kings want Jackson, you pick him at 3. Then, if the Suns go Fox at 4, you can trade Jackson for 5 and 10 and take Tatum and still get the 10. But I wouldn't want the top 4 to go Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum and then be stuck with Fox or Monk or Isaac at 5....too big of a drop off.
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I just don't understand how so many people think that automatically Sacramento would be willing to part with #5 & #10 for #3. Where or when did anyone other than several people on this board think that was feasible?
rumor is they are in love with Fox. Not so much with the other 2 pgs (Smith or Frank N)
One might think this could bite the Celts in azz , in case the Fultz deal future 1st turns into 2019 Kings 1st .... as Fox is a nice looking pg prospect.
But you take Ball or Tatum at #3, there is still a more than 50 percent chance Fox lands at #5 anyways.
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You want to construct/deconstruct the Boston Celtics lineup for..... Gordon Hayward?
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
Well the Celtics would play the chess game
Celtics ask or Kings inquire about #3 pick. Unless Celtics know its Fox they want. They don't make this trade (as Suns could take Tatum at #4 and Celtics don't come out with anybody they want in the top 5)
No reason to play the chess game. Just trade the pick if you don't want Ball. Frankly, I don't see why the Kings would make that trade, unless they want Ball or Jackson. If they are fine with Fox or someone else, then I just don't see the need for them to trade up. If Fox goes, 4, then they just take Tatum at 5 and Smith or Frank N. at 10 and they are fine.
Again per rumors they really like Fox more than Smith Jr and Frank N. Teams need is a future pg to steer the team in the right direction
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Just want the Celtics need; more draft picks. ::)
Well if they were going to pick Tatum or Jackson anyway and either is available at no. 5 why not?
Anyway what I find interesting is who will the Suns pick at no. 4 if both Jackson and Tatum are off the table. Suns fans have told me they think the management will pick a forward.
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
Well the Celtics would play the chess game
Celtics ask or Kings inquire about #3 pick. Unless Celtics know its Fox they want. They don't make this trade (as Suns could take Tatum at #4 and Celtics don't come out with anybody they want in the top 5)
No reason to play the chess game. Just trade the pick if you don't want Ball. Frankly, I don't see why the Kings would make that trade, unless they want Ball or Jackson. If they are fine with Fox or someone else, then I just don't see the need for them to trade up. If Fox goes, 4, then they just take Tatum at 5 and Smith or Frank N. at 10 and they are fine.
Again per rumors they really like Fox more than Smith Jr and Frank N. Teams need is a future pg to steer the team in the right direction
Team needs new ownership to steer them in the right direction.
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If the Kings trade up to 3 and Ball is there, I can't see how they wouldn't take Ball.
Well the Celtics would play the chess game
Celtics ask or Kings inquire about #3 pick. Unless Celtics know its Fox they want. They don't make this trade (as Suns could take Tatum at #4 and Celtics don't come out with anybody they want in the top 5)
No reason to play the chess game. Just trade the pick if you don't want Ball. Frankly, I don't see why the Kings would make that trade, unless they want Ball or Jackson. If they are fine with Fox or someone else, then I just don't see the need for them to trade up. If Fox goes, 4, then they just take Tatum at 5 and Smith or Frank N. at 10 and they are fine.
Again per rumors they really like Fox more than Smith Jr and Frank N. Teams need is a future pg to steer the team in the right direction
I've seen it reported that the Kings were desperate to move up for Jackson. So it would require Ball to go #2 to LAL, then a phone call to Mcdonough in PHX to make sure they weren't taking Tatum at #4. But I can see PHX wanting Fox to put next to Booker. Lets them move on from Bledsoe.
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Just want the Celtics need; more draft picks. ::)
Well if they were going to pick Tatum or Jackson anyway and either is available at no. 5 why not?
Anyway what I find interesting is who will the Suns pick at no. 4 if both Jackson and Tatum are off the table. Suns fans have told me they think the management will pick a forward.
Forward makes most sense per needs
But if Jackson and Tatum are gone 2, 3 ... I'm curious as to who they will draft then
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It depends who is left on Ainge player list. If there are three players left on his top tier list, sure.
If there are only two, maybe.
If there is only one, not a chance.
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It depends who is left on Ainge player list. If there are three players left on his top tier list, sure.
If there are only two, maybe.
If there is only one, not a chance.
from what has been circulating...its between Jackson, Tatum and Ball....
again if Celts choose Fox for the Kings, one of Tatum and Ball will drop to #5
I wouldn't do this trade unless the top tier list is Jackson, Tatum, Ball and Kings want Celtics to take Fox at #3
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If Ball drops to us, and Suns want him badly, I offer to switch (taking Tatum) and pick up Bender. Maybe offer to give them an additional future pick, not BKL or LAK.
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If Ball drops to us, and Suns want him badly, I offer to switch (taking Tatum) and pick up Bender. Maybe offer to give them an additional future pick, not BKL or LAK.
Positions aside, I'd still take Jackson/Tatum over Ball. Therefore, I don't care that much about a Phoenix return if we slide one spot. I can't imagine that McDonough wants to give up a valuable lotto pick for one spot. In fact, the marginal savings in paying a #4 over a #3 might make this trade worth it for me.
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The kings don't want to trade up. This is widely known, so why do you think this is an option
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The kings don't want to trade up. This is widely known, so why do you think this is an option
Um actually it's been reported for days that they are trying to move up.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-looking-for-deal-to-move-up-to-draft-deaaron-fox/ (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-looking-for-deal-to-move-up-to-draft-deaaron-fox/)
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Looks like Danny will wait and see who's there at #3 and then solicit the highest bidder. Lots of possibilities.
I think if we still get one of Jackson, Ball or Tatum I'm not going to freak out. If we keep trading down and end up with Lauri Markkanen, I'll have to go into therapy.
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The only way I see this happening is if Danny needs two draft picks to send to either Indiana for George or Chicago for Butler. He could then send out #5, #10, Bradley and Crowder for either George or Butler and still have money for Griffin or Hayward.
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The only way I see this happening is if Danny needs two draft picks to send to either Indiana for George or Chicago for Butler. He could then send out #5, #10, Bradley and Crowder for either George or Butler and still have money for Griffin or Hayward.
I think I like it. ;D
PG: IT / PG: IT / PG: IT
SG: Brown / SG: Brown / SG: Brown
SF: George / SF: Hayward / SF: Buttler
PF: Griffin / PF: George / PF: Griffin
C: Horford / C: Horford / C: Horford
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The kings don't want to trade up. This is widely known, so why do you think this is an option
Um actually it's been reported for days that they are trying to move up.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-looking-for-deal-to-move-up-to-draft-deaaron-fox/ (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-looking-for-deal-to-move-up-to-draft-deaaron-fox/)
that isn't a report its a rumor
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You're assuming they want Jackson at #3 which could be correct though it's hard to say. I don't think they need 2 lottery picks that' just using more cap space.
Celtics have to get a free agent or trade for someone this year while they have cap space. If they don't next summer they will use it on IT/AB/Smart (hopefully not).