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Title: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 17, 2017, 09:01:29 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 09:16:31 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Eja117 on June 17, 2017, 09:19:14 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 17, 2017, 09:20:16 AM
Yea I've been thinking the same. I was actually leaning towards the kings since we already have nets for next year.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 17, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
Yea I've been thinking the same. I was actually leaning towards the kings since we already have nets for next year.

Greedy  ;D
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 17, 2017, 09:29:44 AM
Hey would give us a top 5 pick 4 years in a row. If we fail with that then we got other issues lol.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 09:32:06 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)
You are the one who is lost in media hype. Same thing year in, year out. It's called silly season for a reason. Couldn't care less about the rumors. If the Sixers want Fultz let them overpay for him. Unless a godfather offer comes in, common sense says we have no reason whatsoever to trade the pick.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Eja117 on June 17, 2017, 09:36:36 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)
You are the one who is lost in media hype. Same thing year in, year out. It's called silly season for a reason. Couldn't care less about the rumors. If the Sixers want Fultz let them overpay for him. Unless a godfather offer comes in, common sense says we have no reason whatsoever to trade the pick.
I see thru the lies of Fultz. I do not fear trades down as you do. Ainge has brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new empire.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)
You are the one who is lost in media hype. Same thing year in, year out. It's called silly season for a reason. Couldn't care less about the rumors. If the Sixers want Fultz let them overpay for him. Unless a godfather offer comes in, common sense says we have no reason whatsoever to trade the pick.
I see thru the lies of Fultz. I do not fear trades down as you do. Ainge has brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new empire.
Do not fear trades down either. Just don't believe that's a good trade for the C's.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 17, 2017, 09:55:55 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)

Lol
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: konkmv on June 17, 2017, 10:28:27 AM
If it isn't both and no3 don't do it
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: vgulab on June 17, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)
You are the one who is lost in media hype. Same thing year in, year out. It's called silly season for a reason. Couldn't care less about the rumors. If the Sixers want Fultz let them overpay for him. Unless a godfather offer comes in, common sense says we have no reason whatsoever to trade the pick.

So i we get the lakers pick or the kings pick ( both are going to be top 5 picks, maybe top 3) we shouldn't do it?  1 for 3 + top 5 isn't overpay? It is and i would take that offer. GS built their teams with draft picks. Lebron isn't going to sign here, Durant is not signing here, so we will beat them with Butler??? We need picks and we need to look long term.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Smokeeye123 on June 17, 2017, 10:35:04 AM
Lakers, they are going to conserve cap space to go after george and lebron after next year so they will still be bad
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 17, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
But weren't we all in utter agreement that the Lakers tanked the bajeebers last year? I just don't see them being top 3 bad again next year. I see that Lakers pick as roughly 8-10. Some people are referring to this trade giving us 2 of the top 4 next year (counting Brooklyn) and I just don't see it going down like that.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Androslav on June 17, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
I would keep the pick, but would enjoy skinning the Lakers. It could be a story for 15 years.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: slamtheking on June 17, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
If it isn't both and no3 don't do it
agreed.  would prefer to keep the pick but if Philly wants it bad enough, let them pay through the nose.  there's no guarantee LA and Sac will still be top lottery picks at that point.  Nets I'm still sure are a top 8 pick next year.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 11:02:21 AM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team
Don't buy the story. Seems more like a smoke screen to me.
 
Not even sure I would do #1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LCfKob7p2rOwg/giphy.gif)
You are the one who is lost in media hype. Same thing year in, year out. It's called silly season for a reason. Couldn't care less about the rumors. If the Sixers want Fultz let them overpay for him. Unless a godfather offer comes in, common sense says we have no reason whatsoever to trade the pick.

So i we get the lakers pick or the kings pick ( both are going to be top 5 picks, maybe top 3) we shouldn't do it?  1 for 3 + top 5 isn't overpay? It is and i would take that offer. GS built their teams with draft picks. Lebron isn't going to sign here, Durant is not signing here, so we will beat them with Butler??? We need picks and we need to look long term.
We already have a ton of picks

2018 Brooklyn first
2019 Clips first
2019 Memphis first

plus all of our picks
plus 5 second round picks

Unless a desperate team makes a desperate offer, we have no reason whatsoever to trade the pick.

#1 for #3 + LA 2018? Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather have Fultz.

#1 for #3 + LA 2018 + Sac 2019? Really don't know. I might do it.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 17, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 11:37:16 AM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Casperian on June 17, 2017, 11:41:24 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that the NBA is looking into abolishing the 1-and-done rule. If they do, one of these next drafts could be absolutely loaded.

As for the OP, I want both.  :P
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 17, 2017, 11:42:38 AM
Kings

they will always suck


Magic will spend out like crazy to get the Lakers to 40 wins . 

ai would not count on the Lakers tanking anymore ....Johnson will spend for best ves that will sign

Lakers picks will drop,in value like a rock ......11-18 pick range . is where I see them
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 17, 2017, 11:46:16 AM
Kings

they will always suck


Magic will spend out like crazy to get the Lakers to 40 wins . 

ai would not count on the Lakers tanking anymore ....Johnson will spend for best ves that will sign

Lakers picks will drop,in value like a rock ......11-18 pick range . is where I see them

maybe...
west is still very strong
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 17, 2017, 11:49:47 AM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.

The Nets have had zero incentive to tank either and how'd that turn for them over the last 2 seasons? That team you mentioned, except for Ball, is the same team that finished 26-56 and had the 3rd worst record in the league.

Plus, they play in the West. Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 11:50:30 AM
Kings

they will always suck


Magic will spend out like crazy to get the Lakers to 40 wins . 

ai would not count on the Lakers tanking anymore ....Johnson will spend for best ves that will sign

Lakers picks will drop,in value like a rock ......11-18 pick range . is where I see them
Will they suck enough to net us a top 3-5 pick? As much as they suck, last time they got a top 3 pick was in 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings_draft_history
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 17, 2017, 11:50:50 AM

Magic will spend out like crazy to get the Lakers to 40 wins

ai would not count on the Lakers tanking anymore ....Johnson will spend for best ves that will sign

Lakers picks will drop,in value like a rock ......11-18 pick range . is where I see them

Can you explain this theory? Because there is something called a salary cap.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Somebody on June 17, 2017, 11:52:59 AM
If Danny does such a trade it'll be both plus the 3rd pick.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 17, 2017, 11:56:32 AM
If Danny does such a trade it'll be both plus the 3rd pick.

the 2018, 2019 76ers pick could be in play also

So between these picks ...Danny gets to choose 2
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 12:03:06 PM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.

The Nets have had zero incentive to tank either and how'd that turn for them over the last 2 seasons? That team you mentioned, except for Ball, is the same team that finished 26-56 and had the 3rd worst record in the league.

Plus, they play in the West. Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Yeah but they were tanking hard cause they were in danger of losing both this year's pick and their 2019 first as well to the Magic. The way I see it, there is no way the Lakers lose that many games next season if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.


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Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Who knows? Let's say
Nets
Magic
Suns
Kings
Hornets
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 17, 2017, 12:30:11 PM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.

The Nets have had zero incentive to tank either and how'd that turn for them over the last 2 seasons? That team you mentioned, except for Ball, is the same team that finished 26-56 and had the 3rd worst record in the league.

Plus, they play in the West. Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Yeah but they were tanking hard cause they were in danger of losing both this year's pick and their 2019 first as well to the Magic. The way I see it, there is no way the Lakers lose that many games next season if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.


Quote
Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Who knows? Let's say
Nets
Magic
Suns
Kings
Hornets

How exactly were they tanking hard? Management tanks, players don't. Players play to win, but they just aren't good to win so then the results and intention becomes blurred. The Lakers best 4 players (Clarkson, Russell, Randle, and Ingram), especially as it relates from a foundation point of view, played 82, 63, 74, and 79 games.

Out of the teams you mentioned you can make a case that the Suns and Magic will be better than the Lakers. As for the Hornets, you were clearly struggling to name a 5th team, so that's what led to you naming a team that won 10 more games than the Lakers last season and were a 6th seed the year prior with basically the same roster.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 17, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.

The Nets have had zero incentive to tank either and how'd that turn for them over the last 2 seasons? That team you mentioned, except for Ball, is the same team that finished 26-56 and had the 3rd worst record in the league.

Plus, they play in the West. Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Yeah but they were tanking hard cause they were in danger of losing both this year's pick and their 2019 first as well to the Magic. The way I see it, there is no way the Lakers lose that many games next season if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.


Quote
Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Who knows? Let's say
Nets
Magic
Suns
Kings
Hornets
The Lakers were the worst defensive team.  Getting Ball isn't going to help that.  Even mediocre guards will be licking their chops to light up Ball and Russell.  Without Lou Williams, the Lakers were a bottom 5 offense.  Magic has already said that they are focused on 2018 free agency.  They are not going to do anything that makes it harder to get George next offseason.  The only way I see them improving much is if Ingram and Russell make huge jumps. 
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Jvalin on June 17, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.

The Nets have had zero incentive to tank either and how'd that turn for them over the last 2 seasons? That team you mentioned, except for Ball, is the same team that finished 26-56 and had the 3rd worst record in the league.

Plus, they play in the West. Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Yeah but they were tanking hard cause they were in danger of losing both this year's pick and their 2019 first as well to the Magic. The way I see it, there is no way the Lakers lose that many games next season if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.


Quote
Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Who knows? Let's say
Nets
Magic
Suns
Kings
Hornets

How exactly were they tanking hard? Management tanks, players don't. Players play to win, but they just aren't good to win so then the results and intention becomes blurred. The Lakers best 4 players (Clarkson, Russell, Randle, and Ingram), especially as it relates from a foundation point of view, played 82, 63, 74, and 79 games.

Out of the teams you mentioned you can make a case that the Suns and Magic will be better than the Lakers. As for the Hornets, you were clearly struggling to name a 5th team, so that's what led to you naming a team that won 10 more games than the Lakers last season and were a 6th seed the year prior with basically the same roster.
Come on now, you know exactly what I mean. Players play to win but the management may keep them out of games with minor injuries or give extended playing time to untested rookies while benching the experienced vets and so forth... Not to mention they traded Lou Williams to the Rockets for #28 + Brewer.

You are right about the Hornets. I don't necessarily believe they are gonna be a bottom 5 team. I believe the Magic are gonna be horrible though. Anyway, my point is that you never know what's going to happen. I mean, did you believe the Wolves were gonna be a bottom 6 team this year? Did you believe the Magic were gonna be a bottom 5 team when they traded for Ibaka? Perhaps the Knicks trade Melo and go all youth mode with Porzingis and a bunch of rooks. Perhaps the Pistons let KCP walk and they suck. Who knows?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2017, 01:20:17 AM
If the 2018 Lakers pick  is not between 2-5

turns into 2019 Kings pick (unprotected)??

If this is the case...I like it
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 18, 2017, 01:33:34 AM
They're both equal value. The protection protects the Celtics from getting a bad pick next year
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 18, 2017, 01:36:13 AM
People get too caught up on the thought of trading away the chance to draft Fultz. However, based on the top players expected to be available in 2018 via draft express and the fact that 2019 draft top pick, Marvin Bargley Jr., is a generational type talent. Then it's easy to see the rationale here.


Fultz

for

Jackson, Tatum, or Ball
+
2018 - Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba
+
2019 - Bagley Jr., Langford, Reddish, or Williamson


Now doesn't the thought of that take people off the ledge? Plus, we could potentially net (pun intended) two of those players in 2018.
The Lakers will have zero incentive to lose games next year, much less if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.

Ball - Clarkson
Russell
Ingram - Deng - Brewer
Randle - Nance Jr.
Mozgov - Zubac - Black

+ the 28th pick

This is not a bottom 5 team. Not to mention it's possible they trade for Paul George either this summer or at the trade deadline.

The Nets have had zero incentive to tank either and how'd that turn for them over the last 2 seasons? That team you mentioned, except for Ball, is the same team that finished 26-56 and had the 3rd worst record in the league.

Plus, they play in the West. Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Yeah but they were tanking hard cause they were in danger of losing both this year's pick and their 2019 first as well to the Magic. The way I see it, there is no way the Lakers lose that many games next season if they know for a fact that their pick belongs to the C's.


Quote
Can you name the 5 teams that they're going to be better than?
Who knows? Let's say
Nets
Magic
Suns
Kings
Hornets

How exactly were they tanking hard? Management tanks, players don't. Players play to win, but they just aren't good to win so then the results and intention becomes blurred. The Lakers best 4 players (Clarkson, Russell, Randle, and Ingram), especially as it relates from a foundation point of view, played 82, 63, 74, and 79 games.

Out of the teams you mentioned you can make a case that the Suns and Magic will be better than the Lakers. As for the Hornets, you were clearly struggling to name a 5th team, so that's what led to you naming a team that won 10 more games than the Lakers last season and were a 6th seed the year prior with basically the same roster.
Come on now, you know exactly what I mean. Players play to win but the management may keep them out of games with minor injuries or give extended playing time to untested rookies while benching the experienced vets and so forth... Not to mention they traded Lou Williams to the Rockets for #28 + Brewer.

You are right about the Hornets. I don't necessarily believe they are gonna be a bottom 5 team. I believe the Magic are gonna be horrible though. Anyway, my point is that you never know what's going to happen. I mean, did you believe the Wolves were gonna be a bottom 6 team this year? Did you believe the Magic were gonna be a bottom 5 team when they traded for Ibaka? Perhaps the Knicks trade Melo and go all youth mode with Porzingis and a bunch of rooks. Perhaps the Pistons let KCP walk and they suck. Who knows?
They really sucked without Holiday. That was really the key to the tank. It's the biggest thing keeping me optimistic about their chances of sucking next year.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: OldSchoolDude on June 21, 2017, 02:29:43 PM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team

The draft looks good, or as good as it can look for HS juniors.   I'd welcom a top 5 pick in that draft.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2019-nba-mock-draft.html?m=1
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: mef730 on June 21, 2017, 02:34:48 PM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team

The draft looks good, or as good as it can look for HS juniors.   I'd welcom a top 5 pick in that draft.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2019-nba-mock-draft.html?m=1

Sigh, but no shot at Bagley.

Mike
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: OldSchoolDude on June 21, 2017, 03:01:24 PM
Hope there is an option to pick the 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick...not one or the other

How does the 2019 class look? Kings should still be a horrible team

The draft looks good, or as good as it can look for HS juniors.   I'd welcom a top 5 pick in that draft.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2019-nba-mock-draft.html?m=1

Sigh, but no shot at Bagley.

Mike

Maybe if Moses Brown goes #1, but we have 3 first rounders in 2019 already, even if we ended up with Philly's pick it would be good.  4 picks should be enough to trade up if we need to.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on June 21, 2017, 04:31:24 PM
Right now its 18 and its not even close. As I have watched this 18 class I think the floors of Porter Jr, Bamba, and Ayton are pretty high. They arent flawless and I have my concerns about them but I like those players more than I like anyone outside of Bagley III. Langford has a long way this his body fills out. He reminds me of RIP.

Anyways, I would take the 18 pick before the 19 pick without question right now.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Moranis on June 21, 2017, 04:40:18 PM
I think the Kings will be worse, however we only get the Lakers pick if it is 2-5, so you have to go that way, don't you?  Sure the Kings might be 1, but they might be 10 also.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on June 21, 2017, 04:41:47 PM
It's too early to make this evaluation based on the prospects available.  Harry Giles would have been your #1 pick 2 years ago.  The only useful criteria is which pick ends up being higher.  Since the LA pick is restricted 2-5, you have to prefer a guaranteed top 5 pick to a random, likely lottery pick.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Donoghus on June 21, 2017, 04:43:11 PM
LAL '18.

Just get it over with.  Hopefully, a top 3 pick.  Worse case, you're 5th.   Not have to deal with the stress of a SAC '19 watch the following season.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: slamtheking on June 21, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
don't know anything about the projected 2019 class but would take the Laker pick because it's must be a high pick to convey to us and it's a deep draft of big men.  getting the best of the Philly/Sac pick the next year is no guarantee that either sucks (particularly Philly) and if Sac comes out with the top pick, we likely only get a non-lottery Philly pick. 
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Smokeeye123 on June 21, 2017, 04:56:47 PM
Kings could be good in 2 years. Hield looks like a hit and they are about to get 2 top 10 picks.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: GreenShooter on June 21, 2017, 05:03:23 PM
LAL '18.

Just get it over with.  Hopefully, a top 3 pick.  Worse case, you're 5th.   Not have to deal with the stress of a SAC '19 watch the following season.
It's not the watch. It's the reckoning. I reckon the LAL pick if top 5, especially since we don't have a shot at Bagley (don't care what some say that evaluations can/do change, he'd be the first pick this year if Danny could've drafted him but had to wait 2 years. He's going to be that good). Two top 5 picks would come in handy next year.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on June 21, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
It's too early to make this evaluation based on the prospects available.  Harry Giles would have been your #1 pick 2 years ago.  The only useful criteria is which pick ends up being higher.  Since the LA pick is restricted 2-5, you have to prefer a guaranteed top 5 pick to a random, likely lottery pick.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I think the eval process for the Class of 17 started 2 years ago. You get a baseline as to who these prospects are. I think I have seen Ayton play 5 or 6 times this year. Porter Jr 4. Bamba once although I did see him last year. And I have seen Doncic 1 with a chance to see 2 more games that I have on tape.

I think I have seen Bagley III play 3 maybe 4 times this year. Langford once. Williamson none. Reddish once maybe twice.

I dont like going into the draft just based on college games and certainly not just on the numbers.

All in all there is a big difference in getting Porter Jr next year or Langford in 19. Not all top 5 picks are equal so thats why I cant eval just based on the flexibility of the pick.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on June 21, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
It's too early to make this evaluation based on the prospects available.  Harry Giles would have been your #1 pick 2 years ago.  The only useful criteria is which pick ends up being higher.  Since the LA pick is restricted 2-5, you have to prefer a guaranteed top 5 pick to a random, likely lottery pick.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I think the eval process for the Class of 17 started 2 years ago. You get a baseline as to who these prospects are. I think I have seen Ayton play 5 or 6 times this year. Porter Jr 4. Bamba once although I did see him last year. And I have seen Doncic 1 with a chance to see 2 more games that I have on tape.

I think I have seen Bagley III play 3 maybe 4 times this year. Langford once. Williamson none. Reddish once maybe twice.

I dont like going into the draft just based on college games and certainly not just on the numbers.

All in all there is a big difference in getting Porter Jr next year or Langford in 19. Not all top 5 picks are equal so thats why I cant eval just based on the flexibility of the pick.
I've seen all the Porter and Ayton highlights.  Neither of them are generational talents.  We're not watching 17 year old Lebron James.  With that in mind, a lot can change in 2 years.  I'll take the 5 pick in 18 over a random pick in 19.  If you were guaranteed the 3 pick in 19 by some magic, you would take that because it's better, on average, than a random pick 2-5.

We don't have any control over which pick we get, so the question is academic.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
I think the Pacers have almost no choice but to trade for Randle and the 27th pick for George. I doubt any team is going to give them more than that considering how adamant George has been about signing with LA after the season. The pick with Brook and George (and ingram, nance and clarkson and ball) would defitely be in the 9-12 range with no other free agent signings (especially given they wont lose on purpose like last year). Orlando, Nets, Suns, Kings, Knicks, plus a few unplanned teams (Dallas, Atlanta) will all be awful and trying to lose.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 21, 2017, 06:12:40 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on June 27, 2017, 09:17:59 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: liam on June 27, 2017, 10:07:48 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on June 28, 2017, 01:05:48 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on June 28, 2017, 09:44:13 PM
It's too early to make this evaluation based on the prospects available.  Harry Giles would have been your #1 pick 2 years ago.  The only useful criteria is which pick ends up being higher.  Since the LA pick is restricted 2-5, you have to prefer a guaranteed top 5 pick to a random, likely lottery pick.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I think the eval process for the Class of 17 started 2 years ago. You get a baseline as to who these prospects are. I think I have seen Ayton play 5 or 6 times this year. Porter Jr 4. Bamba once although I did see him last year. And I have seen Doncic 1 with a chance to see 2 more games that I have on tape.

I think I have seen Bagley III play 3 maybe 4 times this year. Langford once. Williamson none. Reddish once maybe twice.

I dont like going into the draft just based on college games and certainly not just on the numbers.

All in all there is a big difference in getting Porter Jr next year or Langford in 19. Not all top 5 picks are equal so thats why I cant eval just based on the flexibility of the pick.
I've seen all the Porter and Ayton highlights.  Neither of them are generational talents.  We're not watching 17 year old Lebron James.  With that in mind, a lot can change in 2 years.  I'll take the 5 pick in 18 over a random pick in 19.  If you were guaranteed the 3 pick in 19 by some magic, you would take that because it's better, on average, than a random pick 2-5.

We don't have any control over which pick we get, so the question is academic.

Im not talking about watching highlights, Im talking about watching games. Those are much more important. You dont have to see a generational talent at 18. It takes awhile for guys to be franchise guys let alone generational.

With all that said I still think the players in 18 are better than the ones in 19.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on June 28, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

Ayton is not slow. Far from it. That's crazy. He is by far one of the fastest bigs in the last 10 or 15 years and thats not hype. At 7'0 256 he runs the floor like David Robinson.

This is the problem with just watching highlights.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Bobshot on June 28, 2017, 09:52:07 PM
Danny don't want no draft picks next year. Not if he has Hayward and George. Except maybe the Nets pick.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on June 28, 2017, 10:27:34 PM
I think the Kings will be worse, however we only get the Lakers pick if it is 2-5, so you have to go that way, don't you?  Sure the Kings might be 1, but they might be 10 also.

This. If you actually get the Lakers pick, you have to be happy with the outcome. The alternative could be terrifying.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on July 12, 2017, 02:53:06 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

Ayton is not slow. Far from it. That's crazy. He is by far one of the fastest bigs in the last 10 or 15 years and thats not hype. At 7'0 256 he runs the floor like David Robinson.

This is the problem with just watching highlights.
There were 5 big men in this year's draft alone with better mobility and explosiveness than Ayton.  David Robinson.   ::)  Looks more like Antonio Davis to me.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 12, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Yeah, I don't think Ayton is slow.  I think athletically and physically, a young Lamarcus Aldridge is a solid comparison.

Both move like guards, have fantastic body control, have quick bounce, can run the floor, and have great size at 7 feet with ~7'5 wingspan.

Of course I'm talking about prime LA, not current LA.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 12, 2017, 04:04:38 PM
Ayton's soph year of hs he posted these verticals @ UA camp:
28.5'' no-step
34.5'' max vertical

That is with measuring a 9'5'' STANDING REACH and a 7'4.5'' WINGSPAN.....which is extremely rare in itself but then combine that length and size with his athleticism....
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on July 12, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

Ayton is not slow. Far from it. That's crazy. He is by far one of the fastest bigs in the last 10 or 15 years and thats not hype. At 7'0 256 he runs the floor like David Robinson.

This is the problem with just watching highlights.
There were 5 big men in this year's draft alone with better mobility and explosiveness than Ayton.  David Robinson.   ::)  Looks more like Antonio Davis to me.


Ok name the five?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 12, 2017, 04:48:08 PM
DJ Wilson
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Ike Anibogo
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on July 12, 2017, 05:51:39 PM
DJ Wilson
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Ike Anibogo

Really? So Ayton would barely be a lotto guy in this draft? And before you answer this please tell me how many times you have seen him actually play a game.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 12, 2017, 05:54:44 PM
DJ Wilson
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Ike Anibogo

The only one out of that group id rate as faster than Ayton is DJ Wilson, and he is a wing.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: saltlover on July 12, 2017, 05:58:31 PM
DJ Wilson
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Ike Anibogo

The only one out of that group id rate as faster than Ayton is DJ Wilson, and he is a wing.

I watched the vast majority of Wilson's college games, and probably was the first one on this site to mention him, and I can assure you -- he's not a wing. He's an athletic 4 and a small-ball stretch 5.  He's quick enough laterally to guard a 3 for short stretches, but a wing he is not.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 12, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
DJ Wilson
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Ike Anibogo

Really? So Ayton would barely be a lotto guy in this draft? And before you answer this please tell me how many times you have seen him actually play a game.

I think you are misunderstanding this list.

These are bigs (4's and 5's) in this past draft that I would consider more athletic than Deandre Ayton.

As you can see, it's not a long list at all.  I think Ayton is a great athlete.

None of the guys that I mentioned are in the same stratosphere as Ayton as a prospect overall.

I have seen two full high school game that Ayton played in, and two all-star games he has played in.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: loco_91 on July 12, 2017, 06:50:45 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: clevelandceltic on July 12, 2017, 06:56:23 PM
DJ Wilson
Bam Adebayo
John Collins
Ike Anibogo

Really? So Ayton would barely be a lotto guy in this draft? And before you answer this please tell me how many times you have seen him actually play a game.

I think you are misunderstanding this list.

These are bigs (4's and 5's) in this past draft that I would consider more athletic than Deandre Ayton.

As you can see, it's not a long list at all.  I think Ayton is a great athlete.

None of the guys that I mentioned are in the same stratosphere as Ayton as a prospect overall.

I have seen two full high school game that Ayton played in, and two all-star games he has played in.

OK I have seen about 7 or 8 but I think we are both working from a decent baseline. The initial statement was that he is slow based on highlights. The question then became guys that have greater mobility and explosiveness. I would say some of those guys are more fluid athletes but I dont see them more as both more explosive and mobile than Ayton. Thoughts?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on July 13, 2017, 11:13:40 AM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow. 
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: ETNCeltics on July 13, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on July 13, 2017, 06:03:09 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 19, 2017, 02:22:40 AM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on July 19, 2017, 01:54:41 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: JHTruth on July 19, 2017, 02:01:48 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Will be interesting to see how Doncic performs at the combine. I see no quickness measurements on him anywhere. Until we see those, it's all speculative in regards to how "slow" he is..
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: FreddieJ on July 19, 2017, 02:25:13 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Confusing Bogdanovics?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: PickNRoll on July 19, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Confusing Bogdanovics?
Whoops.  Yeah, I did a quick search and grabbed the wrong vid.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 19, 2017, 06:24:21 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: JHTruth on July 19, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 19, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

Because some people apparently believe in the Lonzo hype
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: JHTruth on July 19, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

Because some people apparently believe in the Lonzo hype

He'll be fun to watch, but offense really hasn't been their problem. Their problem is their defense is off the charts bad. Like historically bad. And they are probably adding a rookie PG who is probably the worst, most disinterested defender in the draft and Lopez, hardly a DPOY candidate. LOL.

Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 19, 2017, 11:34:28 PM
40 wins lol. That was funny

I've been reading laker forums and they know their team is still a big work in progress.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 22, 2017, 10:10:19 AM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   

Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: gouki88 on July 22, 2017, 10:16:12 AM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: BitterJim on July 22, 2017, 11:28:26 AM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: GreenShooter on July 22, 2017, 12:02:09 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: trickybilly on July 22, 2017, 12:23:18 PM
40 wins in the west?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Surferdad on July 22, 2017, 12:31:17 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?
Yup, touché!
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on July 22, 2017, 12:37:48 PM
40 wins lol. That was funny

I've been reading laker forums and they know their team is still a big work in progress.

How many wins do you predict?

How many wins are they predicting on the Lakers forums?

My guess is 30-35
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 22, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets. 

Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: BitterJim on July 22, 2017, 07:31:17 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets.

Lin is arguably the best player not names Lopez between the two teams. Not to mention that the east last year was awful, while the west this season is stacked. The Lakers are almost guaranteed to win more games than the Nets did last year, but they'll still be closer to 25 wins than 40
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Big333223 on July 22, 2017, 07:40:58 PM
Is the C's get the Lakers pick, it'll be top 5. We know that. Top 5 in a draft that (early) looks like there are 4 big prospects.

That Kings pick presents more room for variability. I know they're the Kings but they had a competent offseason, adding some veteran leadership but not so much that they won't still be bad in the West this year. They'll add a good draft pick in 2018 and have a lot of money to spend on free agents that summer. In the 2018-19 season, Hield will be 25 in his 3rd year, Skal will be 22 in his 3rd year, Cauley-Stein will be 25 in his 4th year, De'aaron Fox will be 20 going into his second season, and George Hill will be 32 going into his 11th year. 

The West is nuts but if the young guys develop a little and they're able to add an impact free agent next summer (it could be an appealing team to join) that Kings pick could easily be outside the top ten.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: Bucketgetter on July 22, 2017, 07:42:39 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets.
Ball, Ingram, Randle (If you want to call #7 a high lottery pick), and who exactly is their 4th high lottery pick??
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 22, 2017, 07:50:09 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets.

Lin is arguably the best player not names Lopez between the two teams. Not to mention that the east last year was awful, while the west this season is stacked. The Lakers are almost guaranteed to win more games than the Nets did last year, but they'll still be closer to 25 wins than 40

I'm trying to help you guys.

The Lakers won 26 games LAST year... WHILE INTENTIONALLY TANKING.

The idea that they'll lose close to 25 games again this year after adding Lopez/KCP/Ball/Kuzma/Hart is patently ridiculous.

You'd have to be insane not to think that a Center that scores 20 ppg and shoots .349 from three, a lock-down 3 and D wing, and the best pure PG from the strongest PG draft in a decade aren't going to help winning.

Like it or not that Lakers pick isn't going to be top 5. There's a 0% chance, it's best to move on now from that fantasy.

Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 22, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)
Lopez will get hurt. Rookies don't win games especially not in the west
Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets.

Lin is arguably the best player not names Lopez between the two teams. Not to mention that the east last year was awful, while the west this season is stacked. The Lakers are almost guaranteed to win more games than the Nets did last year, but they'll still be closer to 25 wins than 40

I'm trying to help you guys.

The Lakers won 26 games LAST year... WHILE INTENTIONALLY TANKING.

The idea that they'll lose close to 25 games again this year after adding Lopez/KCP/Ball/Kuzma/Hart is patently ridiculous.

You'd have to be insane not to think that a Center that scores 20 ppg and shoots .349 from three, a lock-down 3 and D wing, and the best pure PG from the strongest PG draft in a decade aren't going to help winning.

Like it or not that Lakers pick isn't going to be top 5. There's a 0% chance, it's best to move on now from that fantasy.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: gouki88 on July 22, 2017, 07:59:39 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets.

Lin is arguably the best player not names Lopez between the two teams. Not to mention that the east last year was awful, while the west this season is stacked. The Lakers are almost guaranteed to win more games than the Nets did last year, but they'll still be closer to 25 wins than 40

I'm trying to help you guys.

The Lakers won 26 games LAST year... WHILE INTENTIONALLY TANKING.

The idea that they'll lose close to 25 games again this year after adding Lopez/KCP/Ball/Kuzma/Hart is patently ridiculous.

You'd have to be insane not to think that a Center that scores 20 ppg and shoots .349 from three, a lock-down 3 and D wing, and the best pure PG from the strongest PG draft in a decade aren't going to help winning.

Like it or not that Lakers pick isn't going to be top 5. There's a 0% chance, it's best to move on now from that fantasy.
So that's what they won 5 of their last 6 games, which led to giving them worse odds than Phoenix in the lottery? That's how tanking works right?? Those 5 teams gave some of their worst efforts, and the Lakers still barely beat them. Even the Spurs when they were resting all their main guys. But if they were actually tanking, they'd still lose.

They are the worst defensive team in the entire NBA. Ball is a terrible defender. KCP is average. Ingram is weak, as is Randle and Lopez. Then their bench is Jordan Clarkson and the ghost of Luol Deng, and Larry Nance. They have a pitiful roster. Just because they have talented youngsters doesn't mean they're going to win.

None of their prospects are better than Wiggins nor Towns, who also had players such as Rubio and Dieng surrounding them, so I have no idea how you can think that LAL will be better than Minny was last lesson.

But the condescending tone used in your last line pretty much confirms that you're either trolling or not worth talking to.
Title: Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
Post by: BitterJim on July 22, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.

15 game improvement? How?

It's not rocket science guys.

The Lakers don't have a pick this year, they have no reason to tank.

They have a good coach with a championship pedigree - Luke Walton. 

They had the best draft of any team.  (Ball, Kuzma, Hart).

They picked up Brook Lopez and KCP (two NBA starters) in free agency.

Brandon Ingram is now in his second year, Julius Randle is in his contract year.

They have a solid bench in Deng, Zubac, Nance Jr., Corey Brewer, and Jordan Clarckson all of whom could start on at least a few teams in the NBA.

But really the key to it all is that Lonzo Ball is a transcendent NBA talent.  He's a culture changer and he'll make every position on the floor better with his pace, vision, and passing.   
What a delusional post ::)

Nah man, he's right. When's the last time a team with no incentive to tank and a top center like Lopez won less than 40 games?
The 2016-2017 Nets. Do I win the sarcasm award?

Totally different situation.  The Nets haven't drafted in the top Twenty since 2010.

The Lakers will be starting four high lottery picks and Brook Lopez. Most of the Lakers' bench would be starters on the Nets.

Lin is arguably the best player not names Lopez between the two teams. Not to mention that the east last year was awful, while the west this season is stacked. The Lakers are almost guaranteed to win more games than the Nets did last year, but they'll still be closer to 25 wins than 40

I'm trying to help you guys.

The Lakers won 26 games LAST year... WHILE INTENTIONALLY TANKING.

The idea that they'll lose close to 25 games again this year after adding Lopez/KCP/Ball/Kuzma/Hart is patently ridiculous.

You'd have to be insane not to think that a Center that scores 20 ppg and shoots .349 from three, a lock-down 3 and D wing, and the best pure PG from the strongest PG draft in a decade aren't going to help winning.

Like it or not that Lakers pick isn't going to be top 5. There's a 0% chance, it's best to move on now from that fantasy.

Of course they're going to help winning.  They're not gonna make them a 40 win team all of a sudden, though. 

They'll be one of the worst 5 teams in the West AT A MINIMUM (and probably bottom 3).  Sorry, but there won't be 11 teams winning 40+ games in the West.  That's not happening.