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Title: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 12, 2017, 05:58:11 PM
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John Gambadoro @Gambo987

Josh Jackson has been promised - has worked out for Lakers in LA. Has not worked out for Phoenix yet. It could be Philly but likely Lakers.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Donoghus on June 12, 2017, 05:59:35 PM
The potential "Lonzo is falling" storyline on draft night would be some intriguing drama.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: footey on June 12, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
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John Gambadoro @Gambo987

Josh Jackson has been promised - has worked out for Lakers in LA. Has not worked out for Phoenix yet. It could be Philly but likely Lakers.

He's a good one. Still think they're drafting Ball. This would surprise re fit.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticsElite on June 12, 2017, 06:00:58 PM
Lonzo is going to the Lakers. Its not even a question. This means Jackson is going to Philly


The Lakers were near last in many assist categories
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2017, 06:02:35 PM
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John Gambadoro @Gambo987

Josh Jackson has been promised - has worked out for Lakers in LA. Has not worked out for Phoenix yet. It could be Philly but likely Lakers.

He's a good one. Still think they're drafting Ball. This would surprise re fit.


I've been saying for a while now, Jackson is a much better fit for the Lakers than Ball. They already have Russell at PG, they have nobody that can give them what Josh Jackson brings. He would work really well with Ingram and Russell imo.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Big333223 on June 12, 2017, 06:17:17 PM
The potential "Lonzo is falling" storyline on draft night would be some intriguing drama.
It would be amazing. How far would Lonzo fall if the Lakers don't draft him? I know a lot of people are really high on him but the Balls have been so vocal about wanting to go to the Lakers for so long. That's got to make other teams a little uneasy about drafting him.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 12, 2017, 06:30:45 PM
The potential "Lonzo is falling" storyline on draft night would be some intriguing drama.

Yep. Bet he'll regret not working out for other teams.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 12, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2017, 06:32:25 PM
The potential "Lonzo is falling" storyline on draft night would be some intriguing drama.
It would be amazing. How far would Lonzo fall if the Lakers don't draft him? I know a lot of people are really high on him but the Balls have been so vocal about wanting to go to the Lakers for so long. That's got to make other teams a little uneasy about drafting him.

The Lakers never suggested that the obsession of Ball with their team was mutual though. Ball and his dad don't decide where he goes, and the Lakers have no obligation to take him because he's a Lakers fan. They didn't draft Pierce when he was a Lakers fan either. They will do what they think is best for their franchise, and they already have an all-star caliber prospect at PG. They have nobody with length and athleticism that can handle the ball, create shots, and guard multiple positions like Jackson can do though.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2017, 06:33:15 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Androslav on June 12, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Top 3, from his fiancee? 😁
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: tyrone biggums on June 12, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
I've thought for 2 months Ainge wouldn't be able to resist drafting Jackson. Think of it as a "Draft Day" scene (the movie) Ainge has on a note pad Draft Josh Jackson no matter what. He's irresistible to Danny because of his length and defense. Offense doesn't concern the coaching staff or Danny one bit. They don't care that he has no jump shot. He's willing to defend and take 3s. Perfect.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mahcus smaht on June 12, 2017, 06:52:11 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Big333223 on June 12, 2017, 06:57:32 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.
But does Philly feel strange at all about drafting him after he and his dad have been so vocal about their love of the Lakers?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 12, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
The Lakers could potentially save a failing nation state by drafting Josh Jackson: they could get every NBA fan to donate $100 to a starving country if they promise not to draft Lonzo. I might pay twice!
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mahcus smaht on June 12, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 12, 2017, 07:10:41 PM
If the Lakers don't draft him,  it would literally mean that they "Dropped the Ball"!
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 12, 2017, 07:11:08 PM
Jackson and Ingram makes a scary duo. Sucks that it's the Lakers but for the sake of the NBA I want to see that happen.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mahcus smaht on June 12, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
Jackson and Ingram makes a scary duo. Sucks that it's the Lakers but for the sake of the NBA I want to see that happen.
Russell Jackson Ingram is a nice core.

Randle and Nance and Clarkson are also nice roleplayers.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Surferdad on June 12, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
If the Lakers don't draft him,  it would literally mean that they "Dropped the Ball"!
There, fixed it for ya'   ;)
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2017, 07:25:40 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticsElite on June 12, 2017, 07:25:43 PM
Jackson and Ingram makes a scary duo. Sucks that it's the Lakers but for the sake of the NBA I want to see that happen.
Russell Jackson Ingram is a nice core.

Randle and Nance and Clarkson are also nice roleplayers.
randle has a low bbiq. Lol. Laker fans hate him

Ingram has low efficiency and Jackson plays the same position
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Sketch5 on June 12, 2017, 07:30:44 PM
DA was suppose to be in LA around the time JAckson was working out for the Lakers. Teams seem to gather for some players, not sure if they do it at other teams facilities, but it wouldn't surprise me if DA was at that work out and gave Jackson the promise.

I know every one is in aw with Fultz, but he's not locked down to be great. Jackson is more up DA and Stevens alley.

And now that Fultz is rumored to be asked to work out for the Lakers, I wouldn't be surprised if DA took Jackson at #1 or trade for the #3 pick.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 12, 2017, 07:33:01 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.
I think if Ball drops it will be because of concerns over his ability to create his own shot and to defend.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on June 12, 2017, 07:38:00 PM
I was told not to believe anything about the draft around this time.

I don't buy it.  I'd be willing to bet 100  TPs that the Lakers draft Lonzo Ball.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 12, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".

Verbally or physically, it is still an attack.

I'm not saying don't draft Jackson, I would totally draft him over Ball, I just find it strange that such an incident that in the past would kill a player's draft position, is overshadowed by an overbearing father.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: KG Living Legend on June 12, 2017, 08:19:50 PM

 If the Lakers did pass.  No way he gets past the Sun's at four.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 12, 2017, 08:21:18 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".

Verbally or physically, it is still an attack.

I'm not saying don't draft Jackson, I would totally draft him over Ball, I just find it strange that such an incident that in the past would kill a player's draft position, is overshadowed by an overbearing father.

Well, there's a huge difference between "he attacked a woman" and "he yelled at a woman after she threw a drink on his friend", though.

If a woman threw a drink on my friend, I'd probably yell at her, too. I don't see that as inappropriate behavior. It's the next step of vandalism that is more concerning.

I agree that criminal behavior in general should be weighed more heavily than eccentric family members, but there is about an 100% chance of Lavar being a distraction, and hopefully a much smaller chance of Jackson having further legal issues.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 12, 2017, 08:28:56 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".

Verbally or physically, it is still an attack.

I'm not saying don't draft Jackson, I would totally draft him over Ball, I just find it strange that such an incident that in the past would kill a player's draft position, is overshadowed by an overbearing father.

Well, there's a huge difference between "he attacked a woman" and "he yelled at a woman after she threw a drink on his friend", though.

If a woman threw a drink on my friend, I'd probably yell at her, too. I don't see that as inappropriate behavior. It's the next step of vandalism that is more concerning.

I agree that criminal behavior in general should be weighed more heavily than eccentric family members, but there is about an 100% chance of Lavar being a distraction, and hopefully a much smaller chance of Jackson having further legal issues.

If it was as simple as "yelling at a woman" he wouldn't have ended up in court pleading guilty. He threatened to beat her physically , and he smashed her car. That's pretty worrisome behavior for most people.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 12, 2017, 08:31:10 PM
Jackson is the best fit for us if Ainge decides to run it back with this team.   I don't think he will do that.   But Jackson can play PF in a small ball lineup.    I think drafting Fultz predicates other moves, which is not necessarily a bad thing.   We need to get better.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Sketch5 on June 12, 2017, 08:40:34 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".

Verbally or physically, it is still an attack.

I'm not saying don't draft Jackson, I would totally draft him over Ball, I just find it strange that such an incident that in the past would kill a player's draft position, is overshadowed by an overbearing father.

Well, there's a huge difference between "he attacked a woman" and "he yelled at a woman after she threw a drink on his friend", though.

If a woman threw a drink on my friend, I'd probably yell at her, too. I don't see that as inappropriate behavior. It's the next step of vandalism that is more concerning.

I agree that criminal behavior in general should be weighed more heavily than eccentric family members, but there is about an 100% chance of Lavar being a distraction, and hopefully a much smaller chance of Jackson having further legal issues.

I agree with this. Yelling at a woman at a party because she threw a drink on his friend is not a huge deal. The car thing, while a bigger deal, still not huge.

I've used this on here before with the Jackson argument. New a kid in highschool, scum of the earth, fights every week it seemed. Few years after Hichschool he came into the store I was managing and he was building houses with his dad, had a wife, two young kids. He would go to Haiti for a couple months in the winter to build houses for the needy. And then take a couple guys and have them work for him over the summer so they could send money home because of the lack of work were they lived.

Some times when you're young, you do dumb things. Some times you're just not a good kid. But I've also known a couple other guys who weren't the best of people when they were younger and came across them years later, and they are the best of people.

Jackson did a couple dumb things. It's not like there is a history of issues. I mean, KG was talking with PP about when they were kids and KG would visit PP, and they'd take a cab and bail on the fare. Those guys turned out to be pretty decent pros on and off the court.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 12, 2017, 08:42:40 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".

Verbally or physically, it is still an attack.

I'm not saying don't draft Jackson, I would totally draft him over Ball, I just find it strange that such an incident that in the past would kill a player's draft position, is overshadowed by an overbearing father.

Well, there's a huge difference between "he attacked a woman" and "he yelled at a woman after she threw a drink on his friend", though.

If a woman threw a drink on my friend, I'd probably yell at her, too. I don't see that as inappropriate behavior. It's the next step of vandalism that is more concerning.

I agree that criminal behavior in general should be weighed more heavily than eccentric family members, but there is about an 100% chance of Lavar being a distraction, and hopefully a much smaller chance of Jackson having further legal issues.

If it was as simple as "yelling at a woman" he wouldn't have ended up in court pleading guilty. He threatened to beat her physically , and he smashed her car. That's pretty worrisome behavior for most people.

He wasn't charged with threatening, and that wasn't part of his plea statement, though.

He did smash her car. That's criminal. He was also drinking, and she had just assaulted his friend. At least at the moment, she was the initial aggressor, and acted criminally herself.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: slamtheking on June 12, 2017, 08:45:53 PM

 If the Lakers did pass.  No way he gets past the Sun's at four.
I could see the Suns passing on him.  they have Bledsoe already.  they took a flyer on Bender and may take a flyer on another high risk/high reward player that fills a more pressing need.

should that happen, I do see the Kings snagging him at 5 though
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Sketch5 on June 12, 2017, 08:50:38 PM
Josh Jackson definitely looks like the 2nd best pick in the draft so it wouldn't surprise me at all. All the noise has come from Ball's camp not from LA so it shouldn't be a shock if they pass on him. Means we may well see him in Philly...

Could that mean hilly throw everything at us to trade down? Saric, Lakers 18, Phi 19, Sac 19, Holmes for #1 and filler?

Why? Ball is a great fit for Philly. They desperately need a PG.
Yeah Ball in Philly seems ideal.

Two brilliant passers in Simmons and Ball, but for a brilliant floor general, the ball really doesnt stick in Balls hands.

Also, provided Embiid stays healthy, Philly would have the rim protection to make up for Balls putrid 1 v. 1 defense.

it is ideal...but don't forget already Colangelo has stated how much of a pain in the azz Lavar has been without mentioning his name

If Ball drops past the 76ers... i think he will drop hard
he is so talented tho.

I cant imagine he drops far.

Its a strange world we live in when someone is considered much more of a risk because their dad is overbearing than someone else who admitted in court to attacking a woman and vandalizing her car.

I don't know all the facts, but I think he admitted to yelling at a woman and kicking a car after she threw a drink on her teammate. That, in and of itself, doesn't concern me that much.

Some of the other alleged backstory makes the context worse, but in terms of what he actually plead to, I don't think it's fair to say he "attacked a woman".

Verbally or physically, it is still an attack.

I'm not saying don't draft Jackson, I would totally draft him over Ball, I just find it strange that such an incident that in the past would kill a player's draft position, is overshadowed by an overbearing father.

Well, there's a huge difference between "he attacked a woman" and "he yelled at a woman after she threw a drink on his friend", though.

If a woman threw a drink on my friend, I'd probably yell at her, too. I don't see that as inappropriate behavior. It's the next step of vandalism that is more concerning.

I agree that criminal behavior in general should be weighed more heavily than eccentric family members, but there is about an 100% chance of Lavar being a distraction, and hopefully a much smaller chance of Jackson having further legal issues.

If it was as simple as "yelling at a woman" he wouldn't have ended up in court pleading guilty. He threatened to beat her physically , and he smashed her car. That's pretty worrisome behavior for most people.


How many times has some one said they're were going to beat some one and didn't actually mean there were going to? YES dumb thing to say, if he had a history of woman abuse, or actually did it, then there would be concern.

I had a friend who dated a crazy woman in college. After the break up she came at him, he told her to get out of his face before he knocked her out. He's never done anything to his current wife, and never seen him act anything close to how he was toward "crazy" to his wife or daughter. But she was nuts, phyco, and it was in the heat of a moment.

Pleading guilty isn't necessarily as bad as it sounds. Sometimes the punishment is less than if he pleaded not guilty, but was founded guilty. Plus with the tourney and up coming draft they probably wanted to get it behind them and move it as quick as possible. I mean he did those things, he took it on the chin.

And if was an issue, we wouldn't see, Bos/LA wanting work outs, or him being in the top 5. Out side the Kings, image is a big deal to these teams.

Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: dreamgreen on June 12, 2017, 08:51:43 PM
He seems like a good fit in Philly as well.

Not sure why so many people question Fultz as the top pick. If we had the second or third pick there would be a million posts about trading up to get him!
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on June 12, 2017, 09:05:07 PM
This is the kind of rumor I would spread if I didn't want Ball but knew another team in the top 8 did.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: RLewis35 on June 12, 2017, 09:11:37 PM

 If the Lakers did pass.  No way he gets past the Sun's at four.
I could see the Suns passing on him.  they have Bledsoe already.  they took a flyer on Bender and may take a flyer on another high risk/high reward player that fills a more pressing need.

should that happen, I do see the Kings snagging him at 5 though

Agreed - 5 is his floor.  Ball and sactown may actually be a great fit. California boy stays home - they will get a ton of press for that and for Lavar and hey if Ball is transcendent like many talking heads think (I think they are dead wrong but the kid does have an uncanny knack for passing), perhaps sactown becomes a place where scorers want to play.  Could actually be a perfect marriage. Plus the Ball fam working to make the lakers forever look stupid for passing on lonzo would be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: libermaniac on June 12, 2017, 09:19:53 PM
The potential "Lonzo is falling" storyline on draft night would be some intriguing drama.
It would be amazing. How far would Lonzo fall if the Lakers don't draft him? I know a lot of people are really high on him but the Balls have been so vocal about wanting to go to the Lakers for so long. That's got to make other teams a little uneasy about drafting him.

The Lakers never suggested that the obsession of Ball with their team was mutual though. Ball and his dad don't decide where he goes, and the Lakers have no obligation to take him because he's a Lakers fan. They didn't draft Pierce when he was a Lakers fan either. They will do what they think is best for their franchise, and they already have an all-star caliber prospect at PG. They have nobody with length and athleticism that can handle the ball, create shots, and guard multiple positions like Jackson can do though.
Ya, maybe because he was long gone by the time their first selection came up.  ;)
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2017, 09:24:58 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mahcus smaht on June 12, 2017, 09:27:00 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Sketch5 on June 12, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mahcus smaht on June 12, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there
unbelievable.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Sketch5 on June 12, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Yeah, I've know worse to only become respectable young men. And as some one who has and still and probably always will deal with anger issues, have said dumb things that make me sick to my stomach, to people I love when I was not in control of my emotions. Alcohol REALLY doesn't help. Big reason I usually stay with in two drinks in 4 hours. My biggest fear is saying some thing dumb to my daughter, and always say if it ever gets that bad again, I'll break my hand punching the wall then doing harm to my kid physically or emotionally.

But I've had help, he's getting help, hopefully it sticks. But the biggest thing that makes people fail are people who throw them away for a hand full of issues. If I didn't have a good support system, I'd either be friendless, jobless, who knows, jail.

And having a line up of Smart,AB,Brown,Jackson....Oh thats nice. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Eddie20 on June 12, 2017, 09:52:09 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Did you miss the entire 16-17 season? Brown has all the physical tools, but no one that watched him this year would consider him a good defensive player. In fact, with the way he misses assignments, rotations, and gets stuck on screens, at this stage in his career it wouldn't be a stretch to call a below average defender.

Doesn't mean he can't be elite on D down the road, but he's definitely not there yet. Not even close.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2017, 09:54:56 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Yeah, I've know worse to only become respectable young men. And as some one who has and still and probably always will deal with anger issues, have said dumb things that make me sick to my stomach, to people I love when I was not in control of my emotions. Alcohol REALLY doesn't help. Big reason I usually stay with in two drinks in 4 hours. My biggest fear is saying some thing dumb to my daughter, and always say if it ever gets that bad again, I'll break my hand punching the wall then doing harm to my kid physically or emotionally.

But I've had help, he's getting help, hopefully it sticks. But the biggest thing that makes people fail are people who throw them away for a hand full of issues. If I didn't have a good support system, I'd either be friendless, jobless, who knows, jail.

And having a line up of Smart,AB,Brown,Jackson....Oh thats nice.

glad you are coping with this...

life is a constant struggle. keep fighting 👊
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: RJ87 on June 12, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
I'd legitimately love it if the Lakers pass on Lonzo.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Did you miss the entire 16-17 season? Brown has all the physical tools, but no one that watched him this year would consider him a good defensive player. In fact, with the way he misses assignments, rotations, and gets stuck on screens, at this stage in his career it wouldn't be a stretch to call a below average defender.

Doesn't mean he can't be elite on D down the road, but he's definitely not there yet. Not even close.

who you described is James Young. who barely got a lick of playing time

Brown made "rookie" mistakes. But his mistakes lessen the more min he played.... he played some important mins in the playoffs.  CBS wouldn't play him these crucial mins if he was "lost" out there

He has the physical tools, focus, intensity to make up for mistakes.  He will only get better. He has a great work ethic. Told Danny he is really to play in SL

Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 12, 2017, 10:02:21 PM
I'd legitimately love it if the Lakers pass on Lonzo.

what about Lavar 😂
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Eddie20 on June 12, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Did you miss the entire 16-17 season? Brown has all the physical tools, but no one that watched him this year would consider him a good defensive player. In fact, with the way he misses assignments, rotations, and gets stuck on screens, at this stage in his career it wouldn't be a stretch to call a below average defender.

Doesn't mean he can't be elite on D down the road, but he's definitely not there yet. Not even close.

who you described is James Young. who barely got a lick of playing time

Brown made "rookie" mistakes. But his mistakes lessen the more min he played.... he played some important mins in the playoffs.  CBS wouldn't play him these crucial mins if he was "lost" out there

He has the physical tools, focus, intensity to make up for mistakes.  He will only get better. He has a great work ethic. Told Danny he is really to play in SL

Again, he has the physical tools, but he's not a good defensive player yet. He was in Stevens' doghouse during the Bulls series because of it and as a result averaged 5.8 mpg during that series, which also included an DNPCD.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 12, 2017, 10:06:05 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Did you miss the entire 16-17 season? Brown has all the physical tools, but no one that watched him this year would consider him a good defensive player. In fact, with the way he misses assignments, rotations, and gets stuck on screens, at this stage in his career it wouldn't be a stretch to call a below average defender.

Doesn't mean he can't be elite on D down the road, but he's definitely not there yet. Not even close.

who you described is James Young. who barely got a lick of playing time

Brown made "rookie" mistakes. But his mistakes lessen the more min he played.... he played some important mins in the playoffs.  CBS wouldn't play him these crucial mins if he was "lost" out there

He has the physical tools, focus, intensity to make up for mistakes.  He will only get better. He has a great work ethic. Told Danny he is really to play in SL

Again, he has the physical tools, but he's not a good defensive player yet. He was in Stevens' doghouse during the Bulls series because of it and as a result averaged 5.8 mpg during that series, which also included an DNPCD.
Brown did improve from college and he improved throughout the regular season and continued to do so in the playoffs. I expect continued improvement from him. Very few rookies are able to come in and be good team defenders right away. I could see him being a good defender as early as next year and the larger note with that team would be the switchability.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 12, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Eddie20 on June 12, 2017, 10:10:37 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?
More than that for me.

Id love to see Josh Jackson in green. If Fultz didnt exist, I might want him #1.

Could you imagine if Jackson, Brown, Smart, AB was on the floor at the same time?

nice looking defensive 4 right there

Did you miss the entire 16-17 season? Brown has all the physical tools, but no one that watched him this year would consider him a good defensive player. In fact, with the way he misses assignments, rotations, and gets stuck on screens, at this stage in his career it wouldn't be a stretch to call a below average defender.

Doesn't mean he can't be elite on D down the road, but he's definitely not there yet. Not even close.

who you described is James Young. who barely got a lick of playing time

Brown made "rookie" mistakes. But his mistakes lessen the more min he played.... he played some important mins in the playoffs.  CBS wouldn't play him these crucial mins if he was "lost" out there

He has the physical tools, focus, intensity to make up for mistakes.  He will only get better. He has a great work ethic. Told Danny he is really to play in SL

Again, he has the physical tools, but he's not a good defensive player yet. He was in Stevens' doghouse during the Bulls series because of it and as a result averaged 5.8 mpg during that series, which also included an DNPCD.
Brown did improve from college and he improved throughout the regular season and continued to do so in the playoffs. I expect continued improvement from him. Very few rookies are able to come in and be good team defenders right away. I could see him being a good defender as early as next year and the larger note with that team would be the switchability.

I wouldn't be shocked if he became a good defender next season, but at this point he's not. Especially off the ball. So I'd have to disagree with including him in this "can you image this team on defense" talk. It would be much more appropriate if that 5 consisted of Crowder-Jackson-Horford-Smart-Bradley.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Bostonborn62 on June 12, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
                                                  Ball is gonna Fall.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 12, 2017, 11:00:39 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

Quote
Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 12, 2017, 11:07:15 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

Quote
Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)

There was a police investigation. There was proof of one crime: vandalism. There was no threat, there was no assault. Neutral witnesses never mentioned this.

Why the rush to convict somebody without actual credible evidence?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 12, 2017, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: jpotter33 on June 12, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Danny has already decided on picking Fultz, which I think has already happened anyways), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 12, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Could be anything: desire to play in LA, ability to play a big role, etc.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: jpotter33 on June 12, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 12, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: jpotter33 on June 12, 2017, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.

I think he's certainly a better fit with their current squad than Ball. I like the fit of Jackson between Russell and Ingram, or vice versa if you see Ingram as the 2 and Jackson as the 3.

I'm not sure about the fit of Ball in Philly, though. I don't think Ball and Simmons are a good pairing, since I think they're actually pretty similar players at differing sizes and positions. And that only takes more touches away from Embiid, who should have the ball the majority of the time anyways.

Granted, I'm not sure that Philly would take Ball, either. They might have Fox higher on their list, especially with loud-mouth Lavar attached to Lonzo.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 12, 2017, 11:49:02 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.

I think he's certainly a better fit with their current squad than Ball. I like the fit of Jackson between Russell and Ingram, or vice versa if you see Ingram as the 2 and Jackson as the 3.

I'm not sure about the fit of Ball in Philly, though. I don't think Ball and Simmons are a good pairing, since I think they're actually pretty similar players at differing sizes and positions. And that only takes more touches away from Embiid, who should have the ball the majority of the time anyways.

Granted, I'm not sure that Philly would take Ball, either. They might have Fox higher on their list, especially with loud-mouth Lavar attached to Lonzo.

I love Lonzo's fit in Philly (well, not from a Celtics standpoint). Lonzo is seriously fantastic off-ball; Lonzo-Simmons-Embiid is going to be TOUGH to top, even with Markelle in Boston.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: RockinRyA on June 13, 2017, 12:05:57 AM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.

I think he's certainly a better fit with their current squad than Ball. I like the fit of Jackson between Russell and Ingram, or vice versa if you see Ingram as the 2 and Jackson as the 3.

I'm not sure about the fit of Ball in Philly, though. I don't think Ball and Simmons are a good pairing, since I think they're actually pretty similar players at differing sizes and positions. And that only takes more touches away from Embiid, who should have the ball the majority of the time anyways.

Granted, I'm not sure that Philly would take Ball, either. They might have Fox higher on their list, especially with loud-mouth Lavar attached to Lonzo.

I love Lonzo's fit in Philly (well, not from a Celtics standpoint). Lonzo is seriously fantastic off-ball; Lonzo-Simmons-Embiid is going to be TOUGH to top, even with Markelle in Boston.

Nope i think he is a bad fit, and the sixers fan most certainly agree with that.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.

I think he's certainly a better fit with their current squad than Ball. I like the fit of Jackson between Russell and Ingram, or vice versa if you see Ingram as the 2 and Jackson as the 3.

I'm not sure about the fit of Ball in Philly, though. I don't think Ball and Simmons are a good pairing, since I think they're actually pretty similar players at differing sizes and positions. And that only takes more touches away from Embiid, who should have the ball the majority of the time anyways.

Granted, I'm not sure that Philly would take Ball, either. They might have Fox higher on their list, especially with loud-mouth Lavar attached to Lonzo.

I love Lonzo's fit in Philly (well, not from a Celtics standpoint). Lonzo is seriously fantastic off-ball; Lonzo-Simmons-Embiid is going to be TOUGH to top, even with Markelle in Boston.

Nope i think he is a bad fit, and the sixers fan most certainly agree with that.

Actually, they don't:

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15745482/2017-liberty-ballers-community-big-board-no-2-markelle-fultz-top-choice-lonzo-ball-josh-jackson#poll-results
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: jpotter33 on June 13, 2017, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.

I think he's certainly a better fit with their current squad than Ball. I like the fit of Jackson between Russell and Ingram, or vice versa if you see Ingram as the 2 and Jackson as the 3.

I'm not sure about the fit of Ball in Philly, though. I don't think Ball and Simmons are a good pairing, since I think they're actually pretty similar players at differing sizes and positions. And that only takes more touches away from Embiid, who should have the ball the majority of the time anyways.

Granted, I'm not sure that Philly would take Ball, either. They might have Fox higher on their list, especially with loud-mouth Lavar attached to Lonzo.

I love Lonzo's fit in Philly (well, not from a Celtics standpoint). Lonzo is seriously fantastic off-ball; Lonzo-Simmons-Embiid is going to be TOUGH to top, even with Markelle in Boston.

Nope i think he is a bad fit, and the sixers fan most certainly agree with that.

Actually, they don't:

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15745482/2017-liberty-ballers-community-big-board-no-2-markelle-fultz-top-choice-lonzo-ball-josh-jackson#poll-results

To be fair, apparently both Jackson and Monk were left off that polling list by mistake, which the LB staff admitted in their next article. I'd say that has a lot to do with it, because in my experience over at LB Ball hasn't been that highly regarded by most of the fans, as that article itself even admits. I think Jackson would've been the pick if he would've actually been included.

EDIT: They may have fixed it and re-ran it with Jackson in there after looking at some other links, but I do think the fanbase at LB is pretty split on Ball still.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 12:23:18 AM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Fultz), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.


C. He has a promise from another team that he'd prefer to go to.

Ah, I guess I wasn't considering the "playing time" factor, too. Are people thinking it's LA or Philly? Between this and the leaks about Ball underwhelming in his LA visit, I find these "leaks" a bit too obvious to be factual and true, especially being right before the draft with how many lies are usually "leaked" like this.

In addition to actually being true, it very well could be either A) Magic downplaying Ball's workouts to try and persuade Boston not to take him (which I think is stupid since Fultz seems like a vastly superior prospect at this point), or B) the Colangelos trying to pump up Jackson to get LA to take him and have Ball fall to them.

I'm going to speculate and say it's the Lakers. Ball to the Lakers always felt a bit too perfect to me, and the situation was definitely reminiscent of Okafor two years ago.

I think he's certainly a better fit with their current squad than Ball. I like the fit of Jackson between Russell and Ingram, or vice versa if you see Ingram as the 2 and Jackson as the 3.

I'm not sure about the fit of Ball in Philly, though. I don't think Ball and Simmons are a good pairing, since I think they're actually pretty similar players at differing sizes and positions. And that only takes more touches away from Embiid, who should have the ball the majority of the time anyways.

Granted, I'm not sure that Philly would take Ball, either. They might have Fox higher on their list, especially with loud-mouth Lavar attached to Lonzo.

I love Lonzo's fit in Philly (well, not from a Celtics standpoint). Lonzo is seriously fantastic off-ball; Lonzo-Simmons-Embiid is going to be TOUGH to top, even with Markelle in Boston.

Nope i think he is a bad fit, and the sixers fan most certainly agree with that.

Actually, they don't:

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15745482/2017-liberty-ballers-community-big-board-no-2-markelle-fultz-top-choice-lonzo-ball-josh-jackson#poll-results

To be fair, apparently both Jackson and Monk were left off that polling list by mistake, which the LB staff admitted in their next article. I'd say that has a lot to do with it, because in my experience over at LB Ball hasn't been that highly regarded by most of the fans, as that article itself even admits. I think Jackson would've been the pick if he would've actually been included.

EDIT: They may have fixed it and re-ran it with Jackson in there after looking at some other links, but I do think the fanbase at LB is pretty split on Ball still.

I believe they re-ran it. Yeah, there's no consensus over there after Fultz, but that's what this year's draft is: Fultz, a big drop-off, then some combination of Ball, Jackson, Fox, Tatum, etc. I do think it's pretty clear, though, that Ball is the most popular after Fultz among Sixers fans.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 01:07:18 AM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

Quote
Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)

There was a police investigation. There was proof of one crime: vandalism. There was no threat, there was no assault. Neutral witnesses never mentioned this.

Why the rush to convict somebody without actual credible evidence?

Why, then, has Jackson been ordered to attend anger management classes, write a letter of apology, and, "refrain from using alcohol or recreational drugs for a year," per his diversion agreement, if none of what you described actually happened?  Plus, we don't even know if the "neutral witnesses" were asked about the threat and assault specifically in regards to the affidavit, and I'm not rushing to convict the guy at all - his record speaks for itself. 

Sorry, I just can't sign off on Jackson, ethically, and I hope that Ainge feels the same way.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 13, 2017, 06:23:59 AM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

Quote
Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)

There was a police investigation. There was proof of one crime: vandalism. There was no threat, there was no assault. Neutral witnesses never mentioned this.

Why the rush to convict somebody without actual credible evidence?

Why, then, has Jackson been ordered to attend anger management classes, write a letter of apology, and, "refrain from using alcohol or recreational drugs for a year," per his diversion agreement, if none of what you described actually happened?  Plus, we don't even know if the "neutral witnesses" were asked about the threat and assault specifically in regards to the affidavit, and I'm not rushing to convict the guy at all - his record speaks for itself. 

Sorry, I just can't sign off on Jackson, ethically, and I hope that Ainge feels the same way.

Is it fair to say that you don't know much about the legal process?

Counseling, restitution, no use or possession of illegal drugs or alcohol, etc. are all pretty standard conditions for a diversion / deferred disposition  / "filing".  Those aren't added because Jackson made a threat of violence. Rather, it's because he was drinking underage and damaged somebody's car.

It's also fair to say that you don't know much about police reports / affidavits filed in support of probable cause? The police were looking to press charges. The victim reported being threatened. The police almost definitely asked witnesses about that. Even if the LEOs didn't specifically inquire, the witness statements seem very detailed. Yet, both leave out perhaps the single most sensational allegation.

As for his "record", he's got a traffic ticket and misdemeanor vandalism. My goodness. Fellow thug Jaylen Brown was arrested for operating after suspension and running a stop sign. Danny would never draft somebody with such poor character!
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 07:43:28 AM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: tonydelk on June 13, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
Josh Jackson to the Lakers makes a lot of sense.  Reports that Ball went into his workout out of shape are concerning.  That kid has so much hype surrounding him and a father that is clouding his priorities.  Ball will be fine once he gets to a team and into their system.  I think he's a great fit in Philly.  If he falls to Phoenix it will allow them to move Bledsoe if they chose to do so.  Ball will not make it out of the top 4.  Too talented to do so, even with the baggage.

Fultz to the C's to me is set in stone and an easy choice.  I wouldn't put it past Danny to move a player and future picks for another player in this draft.  If they sign a max player they will need some cheap talent.  Just because a vet may sign with a team for the minimum doesn't mean they are better then developing young talent at the bottom of the bench.  With a vet you know what you are getting.  A young player can be molded into your system and developed.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: RLewis35 on June 13, 2017, 09:04:10 AM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?

Sure.  They don't have the number one pick. If Jackson is their guy and we take him first, they need to have scouted out the other options.  This could also be a bit of gamesmanship by the lakers. Jackson could be their number two guy behind fultz, but by promising Jackson he cancels his workout with us and perhaps have us have some wonder or doubt - or simply don't get to ever meet with him which we know Danny likes to do for down the road.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 09:07:52 AM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?

Sure.  They don't have the number one pick. If Jackson is their guy and we take him first, they need to have scouted out the other options.  This could also be a bit of gamesmanship by the lakers. Jackson could be their number two guy behind fultz, but by promising Jackson he cancels his workout with us and perhaps have us have some wonder or doubt - or simply don't get to ever meet with him which we know Danny likes to do for down the road.

True. Play mind game with the celtics

Danny should have brought in jackson earlier.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 13, 2017, 09:21:29 AM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?

Sure.  They don't have the number one pick. If Jackson is their guy and we take him first, they need to have scouted out the other options.  This could also be a bit of gamesmanship by the lakers. Jackson could be their number two guy behind fultz, but by promising Jackson he cancels his workout with us and perhaps have us have some wonder or doubt - or simply don't get to ever meet with him which we know Danny likes to do for down the road.

True. Play mind game with the celtics

Danny should have brought in jackson earlier.

Danny intimated that he's seeking an end of game scorer,so I don't think he's particularly interested in Jackson at this point.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
Steve Kyler: I saw reports of Jackson having a promise – if he has one it’s not the Lakers, they have been adamant they have promised nothing to anyone
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 09:25:45 AM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?

Sure.  They don't have the number one pick. If Jackson is their guy and we take him first, they need to have scouted out the other options.  This could also be a bit of gamesmanship by the lakers. Jackson could be their number two guy behind fultz, but by promising Jackson he cancels his workout with us and perhaps have us have some wonder or doubt - or simply don't get to ever meet with him which we know Danny likes to do for down the road.

True. Play mind game with the celtics

Danny should have brought in jackson earlier.

Danny intimated that he's seeking an end of game scorer,so I don't think he's particularly interested in Jackson at this point.

Already have IT4
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Section301 on June 13, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

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Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)

There was a police investigation. There was proof of one crime: vandalism. There was no threat, there was no assault. Neutral witnesses never mentioned this.

Why the rush to convict somebody without actual credible evidence?

Why, then, has Jackson been ordered to attend anger management classes, write a letter of apology, and, "refrain from using alcohol or recreational drugs for a year," per his diversion agreement, if none of what you described actually happened?  Plus, we don't even know if the "neutral witnesses" were asked about the threat and assault specifically in regards to the affidavit, and I'm not rushing to convict the guy at all - his record speaks for itself. 

Sorry, I just can't sign off on Jackson, ethically, and I hope that Ainge feels the same way.
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs

As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
Guys Jackson is young and imnature

He shouldnt have said what he said .. but seems like it was  "in the heat of the moment" ... No excuse but just talk

We can conclude also he will backup his friends. But he has to understand there is a limit as to how far he can take things...

He will learn...hopefully
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: footey on June 13, 2017, 09:38:36 AM
I believe Jackson would be the right pick for us if Fultz were not available. But Fultz is the guy due to his ability to score-create in multiple ways. Just too good to pass up.

Jackson will be a heck of a good player though and Stevens would love coaching him. BBIQ off the charts.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: RLewis35 on June 13, 2017, 09:43:59 AM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?

Sure.  They don't have the number one pick. If Jackson is their guy and we take him first, they need to have scouted out the other options.  This could also be a bit of gamesmanship by the lakers. Jackson could be their number two guy behind fultz, but by promising Jackson he cancels his workout with us and perhaps have us have some wonder or doubt - or simply don't get to ever meet with him which we know Danny likes to do for down the road.

True. Play mind game with the celtics

Danny should have brought in jackson earlier.

Danny intimated that he's seeking an end of game scorer,so I don't think he's particularly interested in Jackson at this point.

Ainge has also been known to say lots of different things causing misdirection.  Though I agree with you that fultz is the guy.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: dreamgreen on June 13, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
I hope it is from LA that would make the draft interesting!
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CFAN38 on June 13, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
Couple of thoughts

If Ball is available at #3 do the 76ers auction off the pick and use that to jump start the process?

Do the suns offer #4 and Bledsoe for #3 and Okafor?

Do the Kings offer #5 and #10 for Ball? Then 76ers draft Monk at #5 and Mitchell of Nitilinka at #10. Giving them a nice fit in the back-court next to their current pieces.

Do the Cs shock everyone and trade down from #1 for Ball and Saric? (can you say drama)

CRAZY Conspiracy theory (for fun not to be taken seriously)...

DA likes Jackson over Fultz, avoids working out Jackson and leaks that he wont workout for Celtics.

DA trades #1 for #5+#10+WCS and a future protected 1st

Then trades Jae and #10 to Suns (his former assistant is GM) for the #4 pick.

Fultz goes #1 to Kings, LAL take Ball #2, 76ers are scared off by lack of Jackson workout and take Smith Jr or Fox.

Cs take Jackson at #4 and Isaac at #5

 

 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 10:17:55 AM
Couple of thoughts

If Ball is available at #3 do the 76ers auction off the pick and use that to jump start the process?

Do the suns offer #4 and Bledsoe for #3 and Okafor?

Do the Kings offer #5 and #10 for Ball? Then 76ers draft Monk at #5 and Mitchell of Nitilinka at #10. Giving them a nice fit in the back-court next to their current pieces.

Do the Cs shock everyone and trade down from #1 for Ball and Saric? (can you say drama)

If Danny was hoping Jackson was available at #3... Then make the trade to get extra

Well this jackson rumor/workout cancellation has spoiled the party
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Smokeeye123 on June 13, 2017, 10:20:19 AM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face

He might go histerical
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Big333223 on June 13, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face

He might go histerical
Yes, please.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face

He might go histerical
Yes, please.

With the 2nd pick...Lakers pick.... Josh Jackson

Lavar goes off, yelling, hugging his son. Wears a lakers hat ,he brought from home...
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Evantime34 on June 13, 2017, 11:01:40 AM
I can't believe two of the top 3 picks don't want to work out for the team with the top pick.

This is a terrible move by Jackson's agent imo.

Jackson's agent is prioritizing playing time over, draft pick compensation, prestige, and a winning atmosphere. Sure playing immediately will get Jackson more immediate endorsement deals, but developing him slowly like the C's did with Jaylen will make him the better player long term.

Agents seem to want their players to be handed minutes immediately without earning them, and I do not believe that this is the best for a player (as well as his long term earnings)
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: trickybilly on June 13, 2017, 11:10:49 AM
If we strike out on Hayward and we do something stupid like trading the #1 pick, Josh is the guy I want...
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: slamtheking on June 13, 2017, 11:11:35 AM
Couple of thoughts

If Ball is available at #3 do the 76ers auction off the pick and use that to jump start the process?
They need a PG.  they likely take Ball without thinking twice.  unlikely they take Fox or Tatum but Tatum's a possibility - could use a real upgrade at SF

Do the suns offer #4 and Bledsoe for #3 and Okafor?
that'd be foolish for the Suns.  they have a proven PG in Bledsoe and a lot of other holes.  If Philly takes Tatum, Suns get Ball.  if Philly takes Ball, Suns get Tatum or trade the pick to move down a couple of slots to still get Isaac or someone else they like.

Do the Kings offer #5 and #10 for Ball? Then 76ers draft Monk at #5 and Mitchell of Nitilinka at #10. Giving them a nice fit in the back-court next to their current pieces.
Kings are run poorly but that front office has to know that team needs a lot of talent infusion so 2 picks in the top 10 would seem to be the better bet than going after Ball at 3.

Do the Cs shock everyone and trade down from #1 for Ball and Saric? (can you say drama)
hell no.  they take Fultz because he's likely to be a stud.  Ball is likely to bring headaches and Saric isn't enough to justify that drop in talent and increase in drama.

CRAZY Conspiracy theory (for fun not to be taken seriously)...

DA likes Jackson over Fultz, avoids working out Jackson and leaks that he wont workout for Celtics.
DA trades #1 for #5+#10+WCS and a future protected 1st
Then trades Jae and #10 to Suns (his former assistant is GM) for the #4 pick.
Fultz goes #1 to Kings, LAL take Ball #2, 76ers are scared off by lack of Jackson workout and take Smith Jr or Fox.
Cs take Jackson at #4 and Isaac at #5
can't see Sixers passing on both Tatum and Jackson for either Smith or Fox.  they need a better SF than they currently have --> projecting Simmons to move to PF based on his size and that PF isn't normally a position requiring long distance shooting.

if they did and Jackson was at 4, I'd wonder if it's be worth the C's taking Jackson and Tatum as their future forward pairing allowing Brown to slide in at SG eventually.  Not completely confident of Isaac to move him ahead of Tatum at this point. 

Also these proposals ignore the issue of the C's needing more top-end talent rather than depth of talent at this point.  Keeping the pick for Fultz makes the most sense going forward.
 

 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 13, 2017, 11:40:26 AM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face

He might go histerical
Yes, please.

With the 2nd pick...Lakers pick.... Josh Jackson

Lavar goes off, yelling, hugging his son. Wears a lakers hat ,he brought from home...

...then takes the stage with Adam Silver and begins giving a speech about being better than Jordan while Josh Jackson is totally confused and Lonzo looks on in horror and embarrassment.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 11:56:12 AM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face

He might go histerical
Yes, please.

With the 2nd pick...Lakers pick.... Josh Jackson

Lavar goes off, yelling, hugging his son. Wears a lakers hat ,he brought from home...

...then takes the stage with Adam Silver and begins giving a speech about being better than Jordan while Josh Jackson is totally confused and Lonzo looks on in horror and embarrassment.

Lolll

Also what happens to Lonzo shoes? The colors already set to match , lakers colors

Please lakers skip on Ball....
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: crownontherocks on June 13, 2017, 12:01:46 PM
Josh Jackson canceled his scheduled workout with the Celtics on Monday.

jeff goodman



sorry didnt see it was already posted on this thread
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: BMark on June 13, 2017, 12:08:01 PM
This is my somewhat fearless prediction, after reading the tea leaves:

1.  The promise Josh Jackson received is from the Cs

2.  Cs draft Fultz #1, then ship IT and Zeller to the Lakers for #2 and Mosgoz

We get to keep #1,  AND we get #2 and a big for IT
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
This is my somewhat fearless prediction, after reading the tea leaves:

1.  The promise Josh Jackson received is from the Cs

2.  Cs draft Fultz #1, then ship IT and Zeller to the Lakers for #2 and Mosgoz

We get to keep #1,  AND we get #2 and a big for IT

Makes no sense Jackson received a promise from Danny , without a workout or two
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Bobshot on June 13, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face
He might go histerical
Yes, please.

With the 2nd pick...Lakers pick.... Josh Jackson

Lavar goes off, yelling, hugging his son. Wears a lakers hat ,he brought from home...

...then takes the stage with Adam Silver and begins giving a speech about being better than Jordan while Josh Jackson is totally confused and Lonzo looks on in horror and embarrassment.

Lolll

Also what happens to Lonzo shoes? The colors already set to match , lakers colors

Please lakers skip on Ball....

Lakers colors--reminds me of Jack Nicholson, Lakers fan, wearing purple as the Joker in Batman movie.

This kid Jackson looks like a skinny 3 to me. He needs to fill out some before he can play at NBA level. Nothing lost here.

The best looking kid to me among the top 4 or 5 is Fultz. Expect a lot of fake news in the next week before the draft, some of it created by agents.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 13, 2017, 12:25:10 PM
Wow, Lonzo might not end up on the Lakers. Draft night is going to be a must watch!

All cameras on lavars face
He might go histerical
Yes, please.

With the 2nd pick...Lakers pick.... Josh Jackson

Lavar goes off, yelling, hugging his son. Wears a lakers hat ,he brought from home...

...then takes the stage with Adam Silver and begins giving a speech about being better than Jordan while Josh Jackson is totally confused and Lonzo looks on in horror and embarrassment.

Lolll

Also what happens to Lonzo shoes? The colors already set to match , lakers colors

Please lakers skip on Ball....

Lakers colors--reminds me of Jack Nicholson, Lakers fan, wearing purple as the Joker in Batman movie.

This kid Jackson looks like a skinny 3 to me. He needs to fill out some before he can play at NBA level. Nothing lost here.

The best looking kid to me among the top 4 or 5 is Fultz. Expect a lot of fake news in the next week before the draft, some of it created by agents.

I dont think Jackson is going to get much bigger.  He's been about the same size for a few years now.  That said, he's wiry strong.  Strength won't be a problem at the 3, but will be against some 4's.

And I agree that there is a wide gap between Fultz and everyone else.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: PickNRoll on June 13, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 12:50:33 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Donoghus on June 13, 2017, 12:52:39 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Injury risk. 

Doing something stupid in that workout that might cause the promise team to question things.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.

Ball, Jackson no diff

How could they not want to play for the Celtics... Foolish
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: PickNRoll on June 13, 2017, 01:02:06 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Injury risk. 

Doing something stupid in that workout that might cause the promise team to question things.
But you could use that logic to cancel every workout.  Also, a top-3 promise to Jackson isn't much of a promise.  He's universally held as the 2nd or 3rd best player.

It feels to me like he has a promise from LA and he prefers to play there. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: wiley on June 13, 2017, 01:14:04 PM
imo Jackson's the only one with a chance to go #1 if not Fultz.  Not working out with C's does not cancel possibility of his going #1.

IF Celts wanted Jackson, they'd love to trade Fultz to Philly for Jackson plus something....but Lakers make that plan risky.  A trade of Fultz to LA for Jackson plus ____ is much more unlikely than a deal would be with Philly.

So, if Danny likes Jackson he has to decide whether to just take him or to try and trade Fultz for him, getting himself a little something extra in the process but risking losing him to the Lakers. 

Most likely scenario: 
Danny takes and keeps Fultz

Next most likely:
Fultz and something for Butler/George and something.

Third most likely:
Jackson at #1 (or Fultz traded for Jackson plus____)
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 04:06:34 PM
Ryan Ward: Josh Jackson will be working out at the Lakers practice facility today at around 3:30 or 4 #Lakers – via Twitter RyanWardLA
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: LakersFan_33 on June 13, 2017, 04:35:21 PM
Do you guys have Jax #2 on your big boards? I do and I really like him, but the spacing with he, Ingram, Russell, Randle and Zubac would be really bad. Ingram and Jax might turn into better outside shooters, but you're really taking a risk there.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Donoghus on June 13, 2017, 04:39:21 PM
Do you guys have Jax #2 on your big boards? I do and I really like him, but the spacing with he, Ingram, Russell, Randle and Zubac would be really bad. Ingram and Jax might turn into better outside shooters, but you're really taking a risk there.

Outside of Fultz, he was the guy I was enamored with the most.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: GreenCoffeeBean on June 13, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
Jackson seems like the closest to at least a serviceable player with added benefit of the slight chance of becoming a superstar. His defense will get him on the court.

Tatum has nice measurables but who knows beyond that.

Fultz seems like he could be like Devin Booker or James Harden. I think evaluating Fultz will be hard for a lot of people for the same reasons that evaluating Marcus Smart is hard. Fultz will have good numbers but what if he offers nothing on defense? Smart is the opposite.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 04:47:24 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.

Ball, Jackson no diff

How could they not want to play for the Celtics... Foolish

As I said, they could value stepping right into a big role over winning in a bench role. This is not a new concept. Kris Dunn did the same exact thing last year.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: LakersFan_33 on June 13, 2017, 04:56:16 PM
The thing (or one of the things) that concerns me about Ball is that...If you're not willing to put your ass in gear and make sure you're completely ready and in shape for the one workout you're going to do (with the team you prefer), does that also mean you're going to slack off during the summer or regular season when it's time to put in the hard work that will define how good of a player you will become?

Jackson seems different - seems like he's got that drive, hunger, etc. that Ball doesn't have. Only other guy who has that is Fox, but I don't think he's as good of a prospect.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mmmmm on June 13, 2017, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: Sketch5 date=1497310842
. Jackson is suppose to have a work out with Bos, lets see if he cancels that.

link?

I saw it some where on here, and herd it on one of the sport show, don't ask which one, they tend to blur. It could even have been they are trying for one, but I swear that had one locked in at some point.

There's your answer:

Quote
High lottery pick Josh Jackson canceled today's workout with the Boston Celtics, source told me and @MarcJSpearsESPN.

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/874464847303516161

What is this supposed to intimate? Why would he cancel a visit to the team with the number one pick other than A) Danny telling him he's straight up not going to pick him or B) Danny giving him a draft promise?

I'd much rather have A than B in this scenario (most likely meaning Danny has already decided on picking Fultz, which I think has already happened anyways), but I don't see either of them as likely at all. And I wouldn't understand the logic of canceling with the top pick just because you have a promise from LA or Philly.

Magic:  Kid, we will promise to take you, but only if you don't work out for the Celtics.  If they pick you without working you out, that's nice and nothing we can complain about.  But if you work out for them and are still on the board for us, we'll pass and you can enjoy Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mmmmm on June 13, 2017, 05:14:51 PM
Lakers still planning to workout fox and meet with fultz...yet gave a promise to jackson?

Teams generally want to work out / interview as many of the top players as they can.  Even players they don't expect to draft or even have a chance to draft.  Danny does this every year.   Danny is only allowed to talk with players during certain points in their careers when they aren't under contract and he has talked about how important it is to gather as much information on as many players as you can when you can.  Similarly, on the  opening night for free agency he will call a zillion free agents, even those he can't possibly sign.

I'm sure LAL is operating with a similar philosophy.  Hence even if they privately gave a promise to Jackson they would be mum about that and present the image of still being undecided so that agents will send their clients in to work out.  So that they can gather intel about Fox and other top picks.

Similarly, that's why Danny would be completely non-committal about his feelings about Fultz.  If he came out and was all glowing and effusive with Markelle love after his workout, he'd never get anyone else in to work out.   As it is, of course, Ball and Jackson have cancelled on him because their agents probably see the tea leaves clearly.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Bostonborn62 on June 13, 2017, 07:09:05 PM
My prediction is "at some point Lonzo will be getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because of his Dad". People will rebel and reject their whole BBB self absorbed package, Lonzo and all.I do wish Lonzo well but I wonder how long it is before Lonzo starts distancing himself from his Dad??
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticSooner on June 13, 2017, 07:19:08 PM
Do you guys have Jax #2 on your big boards? I do and I really like him, but the spacing with he, Ingram, Russell, Randle and Zubac would be really bad. Ingram and Jax might turn into better outside shooters, but you're really taking a risk there.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Tatum
4. Ball
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 13, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.

Ball, Jackson no diff

How could they not want to play for the Celtics... Foolish

As I said, they could value stepping right into a big role over winning in a bench role. This is not a new concept. Kris Dunn did the same exact thing last year.


Well, that didn't work out well for him at all. Also, the Celtics never had any interest in Dunn, Ainge knew he was going to be a bust and was quoted saying he didn't want to get stuck with him if he drafted him and teams didn't offer a good enough trade for him.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: footey on June 13, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
Do you guys have Jax #2 on your big boards? I do and I really like him, but the spacing with he, Ingram, Russell, Randle and Zubac would be really bad. Ingram and Jax might turn into better outside shooters, but you're really taking a risk there.

Yes, I really like Jackson.  He would be a good addition for the Lakers. Although I still think they are going to draft Ball.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 08:35:48 PM
Do you guys have Jax #2 on your big boards? I do and I really like him, but the spacing with he, Ingram, Russell, Randle and Zubac would be really bad. Ingram and Jax might turn into better outside shooters, but you're really taking a risk there.

Yes, I really like Jackson.  He would be a good addition for the Lakers. Although I still think they are going to draft Ball.

I don't... Lakers are going to pick Jackson
Ball to the 76ers
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Kaz on June 13, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
Probably the Sixers if true, but I think in terms of best fit for the top 5:

BOS: Fultz - desperately need a scoring option; riding Isaiah into the dirt isn't a pleasant option for 2017-18 considering his injury and size risk.

LA: Ball - need a true facilitator to get potential scoring threats like Ingram and Russell good looks.

PHI: Tatum - no clear cut #1 option on offense; kid can get buckets while Simmons dishes out looks and Embiid crashes the glass.

PHX: Jackson - Suns have a gaping hole at SF and can often play lackadaisical; his intensity and explosiveness could be the igniter.

SAC: Fox - blazing speed and lockdown d; can pray that Fox and Buddy develop into the next Wall and Beal
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 08:49:56 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.

Ball, Jackson no diff

How could they not want to play for the Celtics... Foolish

As I said, they could value stepping right into a big role over winning in a bench role. This is not a new concept. Kris Dunn did the same exact thing last year.


Well, that didn't work out well for him at all. Also, the Celtics never had any interest in Dunn, Ainge knew he was going to be a bust and was quoted saying he didn't want to get stuck with him if he drafted him and teams didn't offer a good enough trade for him.

How did it not work out for him? Sure, he didn't start last year, but it's not like Rubio is entrenched as the starter long-term. Minnesota was probably the best opportunity for him. And it doesn't matter if Ainge wanted him or not (which I agree, he clearly didn't), he refused to work out for the Celtics, as Ball and Jackson are choosing to do this year.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 13, 2017, 09:32:13 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.

Ball, Jackson no diff

How could they not want to play for the Celtics... Foolish

As I said, they could value stepping right into a big role over winning in a bench role. This is not a new concept. Kris Dunn did the same exact thing last year.


Well, that didn't work out well for him at all. Also, the Celtics never had any interest in Dunn, Ainge knew he was going to be a bust and was quoted saying he didn't want to get stuck with him if he drafted him and teams didn't offer a good enough trade for him.

How did it not work out for him? Sure, he didn't start last year, but it's not like Rubio is entrenched as the starter long-term. Minnesota was probably the best opportunity for him. And it doesn't matter if Ainge wanted him or not (which I agree, he clearly didn't), he refused to work out for the Celtics, as Ball and Jackson are choosing to do this year.


It didn't work out for him because he sucked and is already considered a bust, despite the fact that the TWolves tried to spoonfeed him the starting PG role. He's also much older than the other lottery picks so he has little room to grow. If he had been on the Celtics, at least teams would think he didn't play much because they are a contender and have great starters. They would still have some illusion of hope for him, but the Twolves ran him out there more than enough for him to prove his unworth.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 09:54:54 PM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

Quote
Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)

There was a police investigation. There was proof of one crime: vandalism. There was no threat, there was no assault. Neutral witnesses never mentioned this.

Why the rush to convict somebody without actual credible evidence?

Why, then, has Jackson been ordered to attend anger management classes, write a letter of apology, and, "refrain from using alcohol or recreational drugs for a year," per his diversion agreement, if none of what you described actually happened?  Plus, we don't even know if the "neutral witnesses" were asked about the threat and assault specifically in regards to the affidavit, and I'm not rushing to convict the guy at all - his record speaks for itself. 

Sorry, I just can't sign off on Jackson, ethically, and I hope that Ainge feels the same way.

Is it fair to say that you don't know much about the legal process?

Counseling, restitution, no use or possession of illegal drugs or alcohol, etc. are all pretty standard conditions for a diversion / deferred disposition  / "filing".  Those aren't added because Jackson made a threat of violence. Rather, it's because he was drinking underage and damaged somebody's car.

It's also fair to say that you don't know much about police reports / affidavits filed in support of probable cause? The police were looking to press charges. The victim reported being threatened. The police almost definitely asked witnesses about that. Even if the LEOs didn't specifically inquire, the witness statements seem very detailed. Yet, both leave out perhaps the single most sensational allegation.

As for his "record", he's got a traffic ticket and misdemeanor vandalism. My goodness. Fellow thug Jaylen Brown was arrested for operating after suspension and running a stop sign. Danny would never draft somebody with such poor character!

While I'm sorry that I'm not a lawyer ::), the bottom line, for me, is that I don't want any individuals who are even brought in for questioning about such behavior and/or participating in said possible incidents, if that's okay with you ::).

And yes, I do realize that the police were looking to press charges and that the alleged threat was not mentioned by any of the witnesses in their respective statements, but I don't care if attending counseling/staying off of recreational drugs is standard operating procedure in these kinds of proceedings or not, because it doesn't change the fact that this is starting to look like a pattern with him, and I just don't think that that is the kind of individual who should be an ambassador for this franchise, no matter how talented.  Sorry ::).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
If Jackson has a promise at 2 or 3, what is the logic behind skipping the workout with #1?

Could be any number of things. It could be something personal, like a desire to live in LA, or maybe he wants to go somewhere where he can play a big role.

Ball, Jackson no diff

How could they not want to play for the Celtics... Foolish

As I said, they could value stepping right into a big role over winning in a bench role. This is not a new concept. Kris Dunn did the same exact thing last year.


Well, that didn't work out well for him at all. Also, the Celtics never had any interest in Dunn, Ainge knew he was going to be a bust and was quoted saying he didn't want to get stuck with him if he drafted him and teams didn't offer a good enough trade for him.

How did it not work out for him? Sure, he didn't start last year, but it's not like Rubio is entrenched as the starter long-term. Minnesota was probably the best opportunity for him. And it doesn't matter if Ainge wanted him or not (which I agree, he clearly didn't), he refused to work out for the Celtics, as Ball and Jackson are choosing to do this year.


It didn't work out for him because he sucked and is already considered a bust, despite the fact that the TWolves tried to spoonfeed him the starting PG role. He's also much older than the other lottery picks so he has little room to grow. If he had been on the Celtics, at least teams would think he didn't play much because they are a contender and have great starters. They would still have some illusion of hope for him, but the Twolves ran him out there more than enough for him to prove his unworth.

I think you're missing the point. Dunn landed in the situation he wanted. He accomplished his goal. Being an overrated prospect and then bad NBA player has nothing to do with this.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticsElite on June 13, 2017, 10:24:17 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 13, 2017, 10:27:17 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Dunn is not dunn yet..
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 13, 2017, 10:30:27 PM
Do you guys have Jax #2 on your big boards? I do and I really like him, but the spacing with he, Ingram, Russell, Randle and Zubac would be really bad. Ingram and Jax might turn into better outside shooters, but you're really taking a risk there.

Yes, I really like Jackson.  He would be a good addition for the Lakers. Although I still think they are going to draft Ball.

I don't... Lakers are going to pick Jackson
Ball to the 76ers

Some Lakers fans think they will trade D.Russell to Philly for that 3rd pick...and draft BOTH Ball and Jackson---where this Promise comes into play.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticsElite on June 13, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.I a
I was  mad about the brown pick cuz he was projected to go 8, but honestly the other guys were jokes. That one euro I forget his name hasn't amounted to much. Dunn is a joke. Hield is a chucker
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 10:35:34 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.

Since I was very clearly wrong about Dunn, is it okay if I ask you what made him an overrated prospect, in your eyes?  Was it his age?  Scoring output?  Medical concerns?  Some combination?  Just curious :).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.I a
I was  mad about the brown pick cuz he was projected to go 8, but honestly the other guys were jokes. That one euro I forget his name hasn't amounted to much. Dunn is a joke. Hield is a chucker

Who is Dragan Bender, for 100, Alex? ;D In fairness to him, didn't he get hurt during the year?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 10:39:51 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.

Since I was very clearly wrong about Dunn, is it okay if I ask you what made him an overrated prospect, in your eyes?  Was it his age?  Scoring output?  Medical concerns?  Some combination?  Just curious :).

To be clear, I didn't think a Dunn was bad. In hindsight, I was too high on him, but I thought the clear #3 stuff was ridiculous and a ploy to boost the value of the pick. What made me lower than some was probably a combination of age, lack of production until late in his career, and a lack of belief in his entire offensive skillset. I loved his physical profile, though.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 10:40:43 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.I a
I was  mad about the brown pick cuz he was projected to go 8, but honestly the other guys were jokes. That one euro I forget his name hasn't amounted to much. Dunn is a joke. Hield is a chucker

Who is Dragan Bender, for 100, Alex? ;D In fairness to him, didn't he get hurt during the year?

Yes, he missed a good chunk of the season. I still like him a lot. He's like a not-as-good Jonathan Isaac.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Section301 on June 13, 2017, 10:56:48 PM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: mmmmm on June 13, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.I a
I was  mad about the brown pick cuz he was projected to go 8, but honestly the other guys were jokes. That one euro I forget his name hasn't amounted to much. Dunn is a joke. Hield is a chucker

Who is Dragan Bender, for 100, Alex? ;D In fairness to him, didn't he get hurt during the year?

Yes, he missed a good chunk of the season. I still like him a lot. He's like a not-as-good Jonathan Isaac.

Trivia factoid:  Dragan Bender (19.6) is younger than Jonathan Isaac (19.7).   Bender is, in fact, still younger than most of the kids in this year's draft.

The kid is still extremely young and full of potential.  He's quite a bit taller than Isaac, though yeah, similar type of game.  Stretch 4 who can defend on the perimeter and run the floor.

Both have interesting potential and both probably could use a little touch of aggressive confidence.  I.E., they both defer too much at this point.  Probably because they are both still so young.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 11:32:14 PM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Denis998 on June 13, 2017, 11:34:46 PM
considering there are reports that Fultz is going to workout for LA tomorrow, It seems that the promise had been made by Philly.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.

Since I was very clearly wrong about Dunn, is it okay if I ask you what made him an overrated prospect, in your eyes?  Was it his age?  Scoring output?  Medical concerns?  Some combination?  Just curious :).

To be clear, I didn't think a Dunn was bad. In hindsight, I was too high on him, but I thought the clear #3 stuff was ridiculous and a ploy to boost the value of the pick. What made me lower than some was probably a combination of age, lack of production until late in his career, and a lack of belief in his entire offensive skillset. I loved his physical profile, though.

He was hurt, though, and what was it about his offensive ability that gave you pause?  Was it his jumper, or something else?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 13, 2017, 11:37:30 PM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 11:43:25 PM
Oops.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 13, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 13, 2017, 11:56:24 PM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.

Since I was very clearly wrong about Dunn, is it okay if I ask you what made him an overrated prospect, in your eyes?  Was it his age?  Scoring output?  Medical concerns?  Some combination?  Just curious :).

To be clear, I didn't think a Dunn was bad. In hindsight, I was too high on him, but I thought the clear #3 stuff was ridiculous and a ploy to boost the value of the pick. What made me lower than some was probably a combination of age, lack of production until late in his career, and a lack of belief in his entire offensive skillset. I loved his physical profile, though.

He was hurt, though, and what was it about his offensive ability that gave you pause?  Was it his jumper, or something else?

Turnover problems and a general inability to score. I think his shot is probably adequate but unspectacular (see John Wall), but as a guard you have to be pretty spectacular in all other facets of offense (see John Wall) to be effective; Dunn isn't.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 14, 2017, 12:01:47 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

Character is an important part of the draft process. Jackson is undoubtedly answering countless questions about his history from teams, and if they do not find his answers/explanations satisfactory, he will drop. I'm not going to pretend to know what actually happened, nor am I going to convict Jackson without proper knowledge of the situation, but it is naive to pretend character questions are not a part of Jackson's profile as a prospect.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 14, 2017, 12:11:15 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

Character is an important part of the draft process. Jackson is undoubtedly answering countless questions about his history from teams, and if they do not find his answers/explanations satisfactory, he will drop. I'm not going to pretend to know what actually happened, nor am I going to convict Jackson without proper knowledge of the situation, but it is naive to pretend character questions are not a part of Jackson's profile as a prospect.
Yeah absolutely.

It's ridiculous to condemn the guy because you read about an incident or two with the police.

It's not ridiculous to condemn his character after an in depth investigation where you talk to his coaches at college and before and get a chance to interview the player a few times.

It seems to be people read that he may have threatened this woman and immediately condemned him. I don't think that's fair.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 14, 2017, 12:13:11 AM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.I a
I was  mad about the brown pick cuz he was projected to go 8, but honestly the other guys were jokes. That one euro I forget his name hasn't amounted to much. Dunn is a joke. Hield is a chucker

Who is Dragan Bender, for 100, Alex? ;D In fairness to him, didn't he get hurt during the year?

Yes, he missed a good chunk of the season. I still like him a lot. He's like a not-as-good Jonathan Isaac.

Trivia factoid:  Dragan Bender (19.6) is younger than Jonathan Isaac (19.7).   Bender is, in fact, still younger than most of the kids in this year's draft.

The kid is still extremely young and full of potential.  He's quite a bit taller than Isaac, though yeah, similar type of game.  Stretch 4 who can defend on the perimeter and run the floor.

Both have interesting potential and both probably could use a little touch of aggressive confidence.  I.E., they both defer too much at this point.  Probably because they are both still so young.

They're both atypical top-7 picks in that they're both complimentary players, but an elite complimentary is extremely valuable (see Draymond Green). If Bender and Isaac hit their ceilings, they'll be able to defend the rim, defend the perimeter, hit threes at a high clip, run the floor, always make the right pass, and Isaac could be a dominant rebounder. They're superstar role players, which might not be sexy in the top half of the lottery, but leads to team success down the road. Think, for example, what Isaac would be able to do playing alongside Towns for the next decade+.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 14, 2017, 12:15:56 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 14, 2017, 12:17:31 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

Character is an important part of the draft process. Jackson is undoubtedly answering countless questions about his history from teams, and if they do not find his answers/explanations satisfactory, he will drop. I'm not going to pretend to know what actually happened, nor am I going to convict Jackson without proper knowledge of the situation, but it is naive to pretend character questions are not a part of Jackson's profile as a prospect.
Yeah absolutely.

It's ridiculous to condemn the guy because you read about an incident or two with the police.

It's not ridiculous to condemn his character after an in depth investigation where you talk to his coaches at college and before and get a chance to interview the player a few times.

It seems to be people read that he may have threatened this woman and immediately condemned him. I don't think that's fair.

It's not, which is why we, as amateur draft enthusiasts, should acknowledge that there are questions that don't exist for other prospects, that teams will have access to information that we don't, and that if he falls, it might not be because GMs are stupid, but because they know something that we don't. Not to minimize accusations like these, but it's essentially the same scenario as a prospect with potentially recurring injuries; information is key, and we simply have to acknowledge our own ignorance.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 14, 2017, 12:20:12 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 14, 2017, 12:22:27 AM
Thread made me think- imagine if we had gotten stuck with Dunn. What a wasted pick that would  have been

Yet how many wanted to crucify Danny for not selecting Dunn? Dunn's perceived rise was always peculiar to me. He was part of the 3-8 morass for the entire pre-Draft process, then all of a sudden in the last 2-3 days before the draft he was the "consensus" #3. Whatever, I was glad we didn't take him at the time, and I'm thrilled we don't have him now.

Since I was very clearly wrong about Dunn, is it okay if I ask you what made him an overrated prospect, in your eyes?  Was it his age?  Scoring output?  Medical concerns?  Some combination?  Just curious :).

To be clear, I didn't think a Dunn was bad. In hindsight, I was too high on him, but I thought the clear #3 stuff was ridiculous and a ploy to boost the value of the pick. What made me lower than some was probably a combination of age, lack of production until late in his career, and a lack of belief in his entire offensive skillset. I loved his physical profile, though.

He was hurt, though, and what was it about his offensive ability that gave you pause?  Was it his jumper, or something else?

Turnover problems and a general inability to score. I think his shot is probably adequate but unspectacular (see John Wall), but as a guard you have to be pretty spectacular in all other facets of offense (see John Wall) to be effective; Dunn isn't.

Fair enough.  TP :).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 14, 2017, 12:25:09 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.   
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 14, 2017, 12:41:31 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 14, 2017, 01:00:02 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Section301 on June 14, 2017, 07:24:19 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).
But...you didn't merely raise concerns, you completely condemned the possibility of selecting him.  It was the vehemence of your response that got the ball rolling when you said
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Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?"

That's not really a position that sounds interested in raising the issue for the purposes of open discussion. 

But hey, it's cool for you to re-trench along the lines of 'raising concerns' if you want.  It's OK sometimes if people say things in the moment that, in retrospect,they may have said differently if they'd given it more thought. Kind like Jackson's reaction to the woman in the car. 

Also possible that his actions are a red flag.  Just seems like it's a little early to take that stand unequivocally.  Iverson had some legal issues before he hit the NBA, but he also ended up being a Hall of Famer....

Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 14, 2017, 07:35:25 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem

Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

What are the other things? A traffic ticket (Jaylen got arrested for multiple traffic violations), and being listed as one of six witnesses (including two female witnesses) in a police report involving an alleged rape. "Witness" doesn't mean he was an eye witness to a rape or that he did anything wrong at all, which is what you seem to be implying.

As others have said, there's a process. Police seem to have actually taken this stuff seriously, rather than cover it up. If Jaylen did anything wrong outside of drinking and kicking a car, NBA teams will know.

In short, allegations aren't facts, and innuendo is even worse. It doesn't mean you can't dislike the guy, but some of the remarks in this thread about what happened are exaggerated.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticsElite on June 14, 2017, 08:21:22 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.
I get where you're coming from but also 19 isn't a kid
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Roy H. on June 14, 2017, 08:28:12 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.
I get where you're coming from but also 19 isn't a kid

Some 19 year olds are ready for the challenges of adulthood. So many of them aren't.  It's why having veteran voices is so important on a team, because these young adults need to learn about life.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 14, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Ingram is seen as a player with enormous potential. Similar type of frame as Durant and the #2 pick. The following statement is a general opinion of the casual NBA-fan:

''The Celtics made a dumb mistake by not trading that #3 pick in a 2-player draft and also taking Brown only because they already have so many guards, while Murray, Hield and Dunn are much better prospects. Brown is a bust.''
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Ingram is seen as a player with enormous potential. Similar type of frame as Durant and the #2 pick. The following statement is a general opinion of the casual NBA-fan:

''The Celtics made a dumb mistake by not trading that #3 pick in a 2-player draft and also taking Brown only because they already have so many guards, while Murray, Hield and Dunn are much better prospects. Brown is a bust.''

Well the nba casual fans were wrong

Brown already looks better than Ingram.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: crimson_stallion on June 14, 2017, 10:54:14 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Except Jackson is not versatile...at all.

He on defense he can only cover SG and SF,  on offense he can only play SF, he's an average ball handler,  his got a hideous jump shot,  and has major red flags due to legitimately concerning off court issues.

Jackson to me like like a defensive role player at worst,  average starter at best.   He is my Brandon Ingram of this year's draft - massively overhyped guy who will probably be a massive bust.

If take Fultz, Tatum and even Ball over him.   I'm not looking for complimentary player with a top 3 pick - im looking for star of bust.  And I dont feel Jackson has star potential. He's just to much of a tweener physically,  while at the same time raw and lacking in elite skills.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: crimson_stallion on June 14, 2017, 11:07:25 AM
Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?

Do you know why Jackson wasn't charged with criminal threatening?

Because two of the victim's friends - including her roommate - gave statements, and neither reported any threats. The only person who did is the victim, who moments earlier had assaulted Jackson's friend.  Even the victim's own witnesses don't corroborate her story.

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Calvert said Jackson “was yelling for her to get out of the car and that he would beat her ass.” According to the Lawrence Journal-World, “That allegation is not made by two other witnesses that are included in the affidavit, although it isn't clear whether they were specifically asked about that part of the incident.”

http://kansas.247sports.com/Bolt/Released-affidavit-lends-clarity-to-Josh-Jackson-incident-51806711

That's some friend that Jackson's got there, btw (sarcasm), "Vick was found by a University of Kansas investigation in January 2016 to have more than likely hit Calvert several times in the arm and kicked her in the face in December 2015."

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/ku-basketball-news/article138906253.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article129703974.html

Does it at least bother you that Jackson, Vick, and Frank Mason III were listed as witnesses in the police report regarding the "alleged rape of a 16 year old at McCarthy Hall?" :o

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article128646254.html

Oh yeah, these guys are the kind of high character individuals that Ainge is looking for (sarcasm). ::)

There was a police investigation. There was proof of one crime: vandalism. There was no threat, there was no assault. Neutral witnesses never mentioned this.

Why the rush to convict somebody without actual credible evidence?

Why, then, has Jackson been ordered to attend anger management classes, write a letter of apology, and, "refrain from using alcohol or recreational drugs for a year," per his diversion agreement, if none of what you described actually happened?  Plus, we don't even know if the "neutral witnesses" were asked about the threat and assault specifically in regards to the affidavit, and I'm not rushing to convict the guy at all - his record speaks for itself. 

Sorry, I just can't sign off on Jackson, ethically, and I hope that Ainge feels the same way.

Is it fair to say that you don't know much about the legal process?

Counseling, restitution, no use or possession of illegal drugs or alcohol, etc. are all pretty standard conditions for a diversion / deferred disposition  / "filing".  Those aren't added because Jackson made a threat of violence. Rather, it's because he was drinking underage and damaged somebody's car.

It's also fair to say that you don't know much about police reports / affidavits filed in support of probable cause? The police were looking to press charges. The victim reported being threatened. The police almost definitely asked witnesses about that. Even if the LEOs didn't specifically inquire, the witness statements seem very detailed. Yet, both leave out perhaps the single most sensational allegation.

As for his "record", he's got a traffic ticket and misdemeanor vandalism. My goodness. Fellow thug Jaylen Brown was arrested for operating after suspension and running a stop sign. Danny would never draft somebody with such poor character!

While I'm sorry that I'm not a lawyer ::), the bottom line, for me, is that I don't want any individuals who are even brought in for questioning about such behavior and/or participating in said possible incidents, if that's okay with you ::).

And yes, I do realize that the police were looking to press charges and that the alleged threat was not mentioned by any of the witnesses in their respective statements, but I don't care if attending counseling/staying off of recreational drugs is standard operating procedure in these kinds of proceedings or not, because it doesn't change the fact that this is starting to look like a pattern with him, and I just don't think that that is the kind of individual who should be an ambassador for this franchise, no matter how talented.  Sorry ::).

Not that Jackson is all that talented anyway...

Just another overhyped, raw, athletic tweener who will most likely end up in the same place as other such raw athletic overhyped tweeners like MKG,  Aaron Gordon and Justise Winslow.  Such players tend to bust so much more often then not,  and to me Jackson seems to have more bust potential then any of those guys.

At least Winslow could shoot, Gordon could defend both forward positions,  and neither guy had any concerning off court issues to worry about.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Big333223 on June 14, 2017, 11:12:20 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Except Jackson is not versatile...at all.

He on defense he can only cover SG and SF,  on offense he can only play SF, he's an average ball handler,  his got a hideous jump shot,  and has major red flags due to legitimately concerning off court issues.

Jackson to me like like a defensive role player at worst,  average starter at best.   He is my Brandon Ingram of this year's draft - massively overhyped guy who will probably be a massive bust.

If take Fultz, Tatum and even Ball over him.   I'm not looking for complimentary player with a top 3 pick - im looking for star of bust.  And I dont feel Jackson has star potential. He's just to much of a tweener physically,  while at the same time raw and lacking in elite skills.

NBADraft.net:
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One of the main things that jumps out at you is JJ's versatility on both sides of the ball
DraftExpress:
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Outlook: Super versatile wing player.
Chad Ford:
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Jackson is probably the best fit for Phoenix in the draft. He's a versatile two-way wing who is great in the open court,
CBS Sports:
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Josh Jackson is the best two-way player in this year’s draft. As tall as Draymond Green (6’8″) and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins, Jackson can go into any system without disrupting the offense. (Kawhi Leonard came into the NBA as a similar prospect on both offense and defense.) His versatility on offense, mixed with his ability to guard multiple positions, would make him as a great fit anywhere.

Of course, we're all entitled to our opinions.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: moiso on June 14, 2017, 11:13:03 AM
Jackson is far better than Winslow and Gordon.  Comparing a very good player to two stiffs?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2017, 11:27:39 AM
Jackson is far better than Winslow and Gordon.  Comparing a very good player to two stiffs?

Jackson reminds me of Iguadala
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: crimson_stallion on June 14, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Except Jackson is not versatile...at all.

He on defense he can only cover SG and SF,  on offense he can only play SF, he's an average ball handler,  his got a hideous jump shot,  and has major red flags due to legitimately concerning off court issues.

Jackson to me like like a defensive role player at worst,  average starter at best.   He is my Brandon Ingram of this year's draft - massively overhyped guy who will probably be a massive bust.

If take Fultz, Tatum and even Ball over him.   I'm not looking for complimentary player with a top 3 pick - im looking for star of bust.  And I dont feel Jackson has star potential. He's just to much of a tweener physically,  while at the same time raw and lacking in elite skills.

NBADraft.net:
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One of the main things that jumps out at you is JJ's versatility on both sides of the ball
DraftExpress:
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Outlook: Super versatile wing player.
Chad Ford:
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Jackson is probably the best fit for Phoenix in the draft. He's a versatile two-way wing who is great in the open court,
CBS Sports:
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Josh Jackson is the best two-way player in this year’s draft. As tall as Draymond Green (6’8″) and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins, Jackson can go into any system without disrupting the offense. (Kawhi Leonard came into the NBA as a similar prospect on both offense and defense.) His versatility on offense, mixed with his ability to guard multiple positions, would make him as a great fit anywhere.

Of course, we're all entitled to our opinions.

Sounds like the same type of people who cited "versatility" when taking overhyping my aforementioned prospects like Winslow amd Gordon, not to mention Ingram, Bender  and even Wiggins (who is a talented scorer who can do little else).

Ive said it once,  im say it again - every single year just about,  there's almost always a massively hyped guy in the top 3 who every mock draft is obsessed about,  who end up being a complete nobody.

People NOW are saying things like Gordom and Winslow are nowhere near the prospects Jackson is, etc....all while ignoring the fact that many mock drafts has both of those guys going to 3 or 4 in their drafts and were gushing about their "versatility".

How many are saying Ingram was BY FAR the best prospect in the draft,  and the second coming off Kevin Durant?  It was obvious from day one that he was never that guy.

Jackson is being overrated so badly it makes my eyes hurt just reading half the garbage people are writing.

I love that quote for example - "as tall as Draymond Green and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins".  Do these geniuses saying this not actually do their research to see that Andrew Wiggins already IS as tall as Draymond Green?! As are half the wings in the NBA.  Draymond Green is a massively undersized PF and has been successful in spite of (not because of)  that height.

Difference is that Green has the length and physical strength / power to play the PF spot and even stretches at center, while Jackson is built like a stick figure and has the same wingspan as Rajon Rondo and Marcus Smart - versus Wiggins who has the wingspan of Lebron (in the 7'0" range).

On top of that Jackson lacks the handles and its too turnover prone with the ball to play SG against NBA defence, his shooting form is totally broken (~55% FT),  he lacks the length and strength to play PF and lacks the frame to likely ever be able to build up enough to do so, he lacks Nba 3Pt range.   

He's basically an athletic wing who can defend on the perimeter at a high level and score off drives and lobs and in transition,  and that's pretty much it.  And despite that raw nature, he's not especially young either (20 in college) by rookie standards.

I mean look - nobody truly KNOWS  what any prospect will grow up to become.   Every year there are guys who are drafted top 3 who end up role players, and guys who are drafted out of the lottery who end up great staters or stars.  So I may well be wrong, and Jackson might come out and Al silence me from day one.   

But I doubt it.   I've seen way too many players of his type (athletic, defensive minded combo-forwards) who have come through the draft hyped like crazy,  and ultimately amounted to nothing.   And most of those guys didn't have Jackson's lack of physical strength, his mediocre wingspan, or his off-court concerns. I dont see any one talent or skill in this kid that screams "future star".  I see a kid who can run and jump and defend,  and who I expect will struggle to do much beyond that when he finds himself facing NBA size and skill.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 14, 2017, 05:29:48 PM
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Sounds like the same type of people who cited "versatility" when taking overhyping my aforementioned prospects like Winslow amd Gordon, not to mention Ingram, Bender  and even Wiggins (who is a talented scorer who can do little else).

Ive said it once,  im say it again - every single year just about,  there's almost always a massively hyped guy in the top 3 who every mock draft is obsessed about,  who end up being a complete nobody.

He is versatile on defense.  This article states he could come in the finals and contribute.  It also says he has defensive versatility.

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Ultimately, Jackson’s best attribute as a defender is his versatility. He should be able to switch screens and guard up to four positions. You can make an argument that Jonathan Isaac has the highest defensive upside of any player in this draft, but Jackson is the safest bet to thrive on that end from the moment he enters the league.

Jackson is an unselfish and gifted passer

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/6/15740310/josh-jackson-nba-draft-2017-lakers-76ers-defense-passing-finals

Defense is his strong point and he is supposedly can't miss in that regard.  He has his warts on offense though certainly.

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“I like him a lot,” one executive said. “I don’t know if he has elite offensive skill. I know people compare him to Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. That’s not a bad comparison. I think (Jackson is) a little more advanced offensively. But I don’t know if he has the same defensive ability. But he’ll be good because he can defend and he’s athletic. I think he’s close to being bust-proof on the defensive end. Everybody can be a bust. It can happen. But he can pass and his motor and his toughness and he’s a leader. He shows leadership. I like the way he plays. But he’s got a ways to go offensively.”

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/16/kansas-jayhawks-josh-jackson-makes-case-be-drafts-top-pick

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No fast break is safe against Jackson. At 6-foot-8 and 207 pounds, he has a rare combination of size and speed that allows him to eat up the space between him and anyone with a head start. With a 6-foot-10 wingspan, Jackson doesn’t have exceptional length for a player his height, so his ability to make these types of chase-down blocks tells you he’s getting really high in the air:

https://theringer.com/josh-jacksons-achilles-heel-will-keep-him-from-going-no-1-3ed0b79a4768

Scouting tape for defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbo8Nf1CuaE


College  Defensive Stats
                                Steal Percentage           Block Percentage   Combined
Jaylen Brown                  1.7                                  2.2                  3.9
Josh Jackson                   3.1                                  5.1                  8.2
Marcus Smart                   5.0                                 1.9                  6.9

Yes, he will be as good if not better defender than Smart!  But he also is dare you to shoot bad shooter on offense.

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ackson is scoring only 0.789 points per possession on catch-and-shoot jumpers and 0.682 points per possession on jumpers he’s created off the dribble, which is the primary reason why he has been such a poor scorer in isolations and pick-and-rolls. He’s no higher than 36th percentile in the nation in either of these situations.

https://theringer.com/josh-jacksons-achilles-heel-will-keep-him-from-going-no-1-3ed0b79a4768


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Nevertheless, it is Jackson's defense and overall competitiveness that is one of his most attractive traits. He's a fiery guy who has been a two-way player his entire career, and showed the ability to guard anywhere from 1-4 in college. Jackson takes great pride in his ability to shut down opponents, and does an outstanding job of sitting down in a stance, sliding his feet and locking up players on the perimeter with his lateral quickness, often drawing charges. He's a physical player who throws his body around and isn't afraid to mix things up despite his lanky frame. Even if he isn't the longest player around, he gets in the passing lanes frequently with his quickness and anticipation skills, and also rebounds and blocks shots prolifically with outstanding timing. He'll need to get stronger to handle the bigger and more experienced players he'll encounter at times in the NBA, and is a little spastic at times gambling and getting lost off the ball, but his combination of intensity, athleticism and instincts leaves a great deal of room for optimism in his upside on this end of the floor. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/ ©DraftExpress

Now offense, I can see the concerns but most scouts think he is the best two way player.  He needs to improve his ball handling and shooting.   But he is athletic and can play point forward.   

Jackson has the intangibles like competitiveness and will to win that a lot of these other guys do not possess.   It is a strength but it also makes him intense off the court.   

The hype this draft is Fultz.   He may be the real deal, but he went from 7th in his class to the number one pick

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2016/order/true

Jackson has always been in the top two.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: clevelandceltic on June 14, 2017, 05:40:31 PM
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Sounds like the same type of people who cited "versatility" when taking overhyping my aforementioned prospects like Winslow amd Gordon, not to mention Ingram, Bender  and even Wiggins (who is a talented scorer who can do little else).

Ive said it once,  im say it again - every single year just about,  there's almost always a massively hyped guy in the top 3 who every mock draft is obsessed about,  who end up being a complete nobody.

He is versatile on defense.  This article states he could come in the finals and contribute.  It also says he has defensive versatility.

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Ultimately, Jackson’s best attribute as a defender is his versatility. He should be able to switch screens and guard up to four positions. You can make an argument that Jonathan Isaac has the highest defensive upside of any player in this draft, but Jackson is the safest bet to thrive on that end from the moment he enters the league.

Jackson is an unselfish and gifted passer

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/6/15740310/josh-jackson-nba-draft-2017-lakers-76ers-defense-passing-finals

Defense is his strong point and he is supposedly can't miss in that regard.  He has his warts on offense though certainly.

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“I like him a lot,” one executive said. “I don’t know if he has elite offensive skill. I know people compare him to Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. That’s not a bad comparison. I think (Jackson is) a little more advanced offensively. But I don’t know if he has the same defensive ability. But he’ll be good because he can defend and he’s athletic. I think he’s close to being bust-proof on the defensive end. Everybody can be a bust. It can happen. But he can pass and his motor and his toughness and he’s a leader. He shows leadership. I like the way he plays. But he’s got a ways to go offensively.”

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/16/kansas-jayhawks-josh-jackson-makes-case-be-drafts-top-pick

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No fast break is safe against Jackson. At 6-foot-8 and 207 pounds, he has a rare combination of size and speed that allows him to eat up the space between him and anyone with a head start. With a 6-foot-10 wingspan, Jackson doesn’t have exceptional length for a player his height, so his ability to make these types of chase-down blocks tells you he’s getting really high in the air:

https://theringer.com/josh-jacksons-achilles-heel-will-keep-him-from-going-no-1-3ed0b79a4768

Scouting tape for defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbo8Nf1CuaE


College  Defensive Stats
                                Steal Percentage           Block Percentage   Combined
Jaylen Brown                  1.7                                  2.2                  3.9
Josh Jackson                   3.1                                  5.1                  8.2
Marcus Smart                   5.0                                 1.9                  6.9

Yes, he will be as good if not better defender than Smart!  But he also is dare you to shoot bad shooter on offense.

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ackson is scoring only 0.789 points per possession on catch-and-shoot jumpers and 0.682 points per possession on jumpers he’s created off the dribble, which is the primary reason why he has been such a poor scorer in isolations and pick-and-rolls. He’s no higher than 36th percentile in the nation in either of these situations.

https://theringer.com/josh-jacksons-achilles-heel-will-keep-him-from-going-no-1-3ed0b79a4768


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Nevertheless, it is Jackson's defense and overall competitiveness that is one of his most attractive traits. He's a fiery guy who has been a two-way player his entire career, and showed the ability to guard anywhere from 1-4 in college. Jackson takes great pride in his ability to shut down opponents, and does an outstanding job of sitting down in a stance, sliding his feet and locking up players on the perimeter with his lateral quickness, often drawing charges. He's a physical player who throws his body around and isn't afraid to mix things up despite his lanky frame. Even if he isn't the longest player around, he gets in the passing lanes frequently with his quickness and anticipation skills, and also rebounds and blocks shots prolifically with outstanding timing. He'll need to get stronger to handle the bigger and more experienced players he'll encounter at times in the NBA, and is a little spastic at times gambling and getting lost off the ball, but his combination of intensity, athleticism and instincts leaves a great deal of room for optimism in his upside on this end of the floor. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/ ©DraftExpress

Now offense, I can see the concerns but most scouts think he is the best two way player.  He needs to improve his ball handling and shooting.   But he is athletic and can play point forward.   

Jackson has the intangibles like competitiveness and will to win that a lot of these other guys do not possess.   It is a strength but it also makes him intense off the court.   

The hype this draft is Fultz.   He may be the real deal, but he went from 7th in his class to the number one pick

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2016/order/true

Jackson has always been in the top two.

Okafor was always ranked ahead of Towns.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: GRADYCOLNON on June 14, 2017, 06:10:26 PM
This is either a really sly move by the Lakers to disrupt other teams' plans, or they have jumped off the Ball-hype train.

Expect Ball to drop down to the Kings.  Former Sixers President Colangelo (the dad) has made critical comments.  Considering he most likely has his son's ear, the Sixers will likely pick someone else.  The Suns don't need another guard, and if they do pick him, it is to trade him for some experienced talent to play with their core.

This leaves the Kings as the best spot to pick up the falling Ball.  He is the point guard they need to orchestrate their offense and improve their litany of young players.

As for the Celtics, I think it is disappointing that they are not getting a chance to see what this kid perform their workout.  I do like the prospects of Jackson and Brown together; it would be a 1/2 punch that will dominate the 2 and 3 across the league in 5 years.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 15, 2017, 02:32:05 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 15, 2017, 02:40:03 AM
But...you didn't merely raise concerns, you completely condemned the possibility of selecting him.  It was the vehemence of your response that got the ball rolling when you said
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Under the influence of alcohol or not, I have absolutely zero interest in anyone who threatens a woman, period, let alone by telling her that he was going to, “beat her ass,” not to mention his failure to leave his contact information after backing into another vehicle, iirc, and to top it all off, he has to attend anger management classes as well as, "refrain from alcohol and recreational drugs for 12 months and write an apology letter," per his diversion agreement stemming from the first "incident," so put me down for ABSOLUTELY NOT.  How many red flags do you need?"

That's not really a position that sounds interested in raising the issue for the purposes of open discussion. 

But hey, it's cool for you to re-trench along the lines of 'raising concerns' if you want.  It's OK sometimes if people say things in the moment that, in retrospect,they may have said differently if they'd given it more thought. Kind like Jackson's reaction to the woman in the car. 

Also possible that his actions are a red flag.  Just seems like it's a little early to take that stand unequivocally.  Iverson had some legal issues before he hit the NBA, but he also ended up being a Hall of Famer....

Are you seriously attempting to compare my post to what Jackson did? :o That's amazing ::), and I'm not going to apologize for being opposed to these actions that, according to you, are possible red flags? :o Seriously?  Possible?  Wow.

As for Iverson, Robert Parish, Bernard King, and Dennis Rodman are in the hall of fame, too, so what's your point?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 15, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
What are the other things? A traffic ticket (Jaylen got arrested for multiple traffic violations), and being listed as one of six witnesses (including two female witnesses) in a police report involving an alleged rape. "Witness" doesn't mean he was an eye witness to a rape or that he did anything wrong at all, which is what you seem to be implying.

As others have said, there's a process. Police seem to have actually taken this stuff seriously, rather than cover it up. If Jaylen did anything wrong outside of drinking and kicking a car, NBA teams will know.

In short, allegations aren't facts, and innuendo is even worse. It doesn't mean you can't dislike the guy, but some of the remarks in this thread about what happened are exaggerated.

1).  I honestly don't remember hearing that about Brown.

2).  Thanks for the education ::).  True, he might not have been there when the alleged rape occurred, but if he knew about it and did nothing to stop it, that's even worse, although I'm just throwing that out there, and I don't see how saying that two of the witnesses were female in any way makes what allegedly happened any less severe, which is what you seem to be implying ;).

In short, neither you, nor I, was there, so we don't have all of the information, but I won't apologize for preferring players who aren't even called in for questioning about such an incident.  That's a big deal to me.

3).  I thought that it was Jackson ;).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: obnoxiousmime on June 15, 2017, 07:26:53 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Except Jackson is not versatile...at all.

He on defense he can only cover SG and SF,  on offense he can only play SF, he's an average ball handler,  his got a hideous jump shot,  and has major red flags due to legitimately concerning off court issues.

Jackson to me like like a defensive role player at worst,  average starter at best.   He is my Brandon Ingram of this year's draft - massively overhyped guy who will probably be a massive bust.

If take Fultz, Tatum and even Ball over him.   I'm not looking for complimentary player with a top 3 pick - im looking for star of bust.  And I dont feel Jackson has star potential. He's just to much of a tweener physically,  while at the same time raw and lacking in elite skills.

NBADraft.net:
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One of the main things that jumps out at you is JJ's versatility on both sides of the ball
DraftExpress:
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Outlook: Super versatile wing player.
Chad Ford:
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Jackson is probably the best fit for Phoenix in the draft. He's a versatile two-way wing who is great in the open court,
CBS Sports:
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Josh Jackson is the best two-way player in this year’s draft. As tall as Draymond Green (6’8″) and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins, Jackson can go into any system without disrupting the offense. (Kawhi Leonard came into the NBA as a similar prospect on both offense and defense.) His versatility on offense, mixed with his ability to guard multiple positions, would make him as a great fit anywhere.

Of course, we're all entitled to our opinions.

Sounds like the same type of people who cited "versatility" when taking overhyping my aforementioned prospects like Winslow amd Gordon, not to mention Ingram, Bender  and even Wiggins (who is a talented scorer who can do little else).

Ive said it once,  im say it again - every single year just about,  there's almost always a massively hyped guy in the top 3 who every mock draft is obsessed about,  who end up being a complete nobody.

People NOW are saying things like Gordom and Winslow are nowhere near the prospects Jackson is, etc....all while ignoring the fact that many mock drafts has both of those guys going to 3 or 4 in their drafts and were gushing about their "versatility".

How many are saying Ingram was BY FAR the best prospect in the draft,  and the second coming off Kevin Durant?  It was obvious from day one that he was never that guy.

Jackson is being overrated so badly it makes my eyes hurt just reading half the garbage people are writing.

I love that quote for example - "as tall as Draymond Green and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins".  Do these geniuses saying this not actually do their research to see that Andrew Wiggins already IS as tall as Draymond Green?! As are half the wings in the NBA.  Draymond Green is a massively undersized PF and has been successful in spite of (not because of)  that height.

Difference is that Green has the length and physical strength / power to play the PF spot and even stretches at center, while Jackson is built like a stick figure and has the same wingspan as Rajon Rondo and Marcus Smart - versus Wiggins who has the wingspan of Lebron (in the 7'0" range).

On top of that Jackson lacks the handles and its too turnover prone with the ball to play SG against NBA defence, his shooting form is totally broken (~55% FT),  he lacks the length and strength to play PF and lacks the frame to likely ever be able to build up enough to do so, he lacks Nba 3Pt range.   

He's basically an athletic wing who can defend on the perimeter at a high level and score off drives and lobs and in transition,  and that's pretty much it.  And despite that raw nature, he's not especially young either (20 in college) by rookie standards.

I mean look - nobody truly KNOWS  what any prospect will grow up to become.   Every year there are guys who are drafted top 3 who end up role players, and guys who are drafted out of the lottery who end up great staters or stars.  So I may well be wrong, and Jackson might come out and Al silence me from day one.   

But I doubt it.   I've seen way too many players of his type (athletic, defensive minded combo-forwards) who have come through the draft hyped like crazy,  and ultimately amounted to nothing.   And most of those guys didn't have Jackson's lack of physical strength, his mediocre wingspan, or his off-court concerns. I dont see any one talent or skill in this kid that screams "future star".  I see a kid who can run and jump and defend,  and who I expect will struggle to do much beyond that when he finds himself facing NBA size and skill.

I have to agree. There are prospects like this every year it seems, tough-nosed defenders that are safe picks if you're looking for a rotation guy but don't have the offensive ability to ever be a star, or a starter on a very good team. Everybody has that hope that a player can turn into Kawhi Leonard but he is looking like a massive anomaly at this point. I think that teams think, well at the very least he won't be a bust and if he develops a 3 pt. shot at least he's a 3 and D guy which has a lot of value now. How often does that happen though?

Yes, we all love gamers and competitive tough guys. In the end you still have to have the ability though.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 15, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
Jackson is far better than Winslow and Gordon.  Comparing a very good player to two stiffs?

I happen to like Jackson, but two stiffs? Really? Gordon went 4th in what was considered a loaded draft, and it was shocking that Winslow fell to 10--Danny thought he was enough of a prospect to offer six picks for him. You can legitimately criticize these prospects without inventing history.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: moiso on June 15, 2017, 08:22:44 AM
Jackson is far better than Winslow and Gordon.  Comparing a very good player to two stiffs?

I happen to like Jackson, but two stiffs? Really? Gordon went 4th in what was considered a loaded draft, and it was shocking that Winslow fell to 10--Danny thought he was enough of a prospect to offer six picks for him. You can legitimately criticize these prospects without inventing history.
They were both very nice prospects coming out of college but they both seem like they turned into their worst case scenarios as players.  I wouldn't expect Jackson to also turn into his worst case scenario as a player.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: max215 on June 15, 2017, 08:25:56 AM
Jackson is far better than Winslow and Gordon.  Comparing a very good player to two stiffs?

I happen to like Jackson, but two stiffs? Really? Gordon went 4th in what was considered a loaded draft, and it was shocking that Winslow fell to 10--Danny thought he was enough of a prospect to offer six picks for him. You can legitimately criticize these prospects without inventing history.
They were both very nice prospects coming out of college but they both seem like they turned into their worst case scenarios as players.  I wouldn't expect Jackson to also turn into his worst case scenario as a player.

Yes, they both seem to have hit low-end outcomes, but they were considered very good prospects, probably lesser than Jackson, but still very good. Jackson could well end up hitting a high-end outcome and being much better than those two, or he too could hit a low-end outcome and end up being comparable. As prospects, the three are all pretty similar.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: footey on June 15, 2017, 09:09:16 AM
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Mike Trudell: Jackson thinks it could be “really special” playing with Ingram. Noted how GSW+CLE didn’t play centers in “winning time.” Versatility a key.

What about Jaylen...Josh?

Except Jackson is not versatile...at all.

He on defense he can only cover SG and SF,  on offense he can only play SF, he's an average ball handler,  his got a hideous jump shot,  and has major red flags due to legitimately concerning off court issues.

Jackson to me like like a defensive role player at worst,  average starter at best.   He is my Brandon Ingram of this year's draft - massively overhyped guy who will probably be a massive bust.

If take Fultz, Tatum and even Ball over him.   I'm not looking for complimentary player with a top 3 pick - im looking for star of bust.  And I dont feel Jackson has star potential. He's just to much of a tweener physically,  while at the same time raw and lacking in elite skills.

NBADraft.net:
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One of the main things that jumps out at you is JJ's versatility on both sides of the ball
DraftExpress:
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Outlook: Super versatile wing player.
Chad Ford:
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Jackson is probably the best fit for Phoenix in the draft. He's a versatile two-way wing who is great in the open court,
CBS Sports:
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Josh Jackson is the best two-way player in this year’s draft. As tall as Draymond Green (6’8″) and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins, Jackson can go into any system without disrupting the offense. (Kawhi Leonard came into the NBA as a similar prospect on both offense and defense.) His versatility on offense, mixed with his ability to guard multiple positions, would make him as a great fit anywhere.

Of course, we're all entitled to our opinions.

Sounds like the same type of people who cited "versatility" when taking overhyping my aforementioned prospects like Winslow amd Gordon, not to mention Ingram, Bender  and even Wiggins (who is a talented scorer who can do little else).

Ive said it once,  im say it again - every single year just about,  there's almost always a massively hyped guy in the top 3 who every mock draft is obsessed about,  who end up being a complete nobody.

People NOW are saying things like Gordom and Winslow are nowhere near the prospects Jackson is, etc....all while ignoring the fact that many mock drafts has both of those guys going to 3 or 4 in their drafts and were gushing about their "versatility".

How many are saying Ingram was BY FAR the best prospect in the draft,  and the second coming off Kevin Durant?  It was obvious from day one that he was never that guy.

Jackson is being overrated so badly it makes my eyes hurt just reading half the garbage people are writing.

I love that quote for example - "as tall as Draymond Green and as athletic as Andrew Wiggins".  Do these geniuses saying this not actually do their research to see that Andrew Wiggins already IS as tall as Draymond Green?! As are half the wings in the NBA.  Draymond Green is a massively undersized PF and has been successful in spite of (not because of)  that height.

Difference is that Green has the length and physical strength / power to play the PF spot and even stretches at center, while Jackson is built like a stick figure and has the same wingspan as Rajon Rondo and Marcus Smart - versus Wiggins who has the wingspan of Lebron (in the 7'0" range).

On top of that Jackson lacks the handles and its too turnover prone with the ball to play SG against NBA defence, his shooting form is totally broken (~55% FT),  he lacks the length and strength to play PF and lacks the frame to likely ever be able to build up enough to do so, he lacks Nba 3Pt range.   

He's basically an athletic wing who can defend on the perimeter at a high level and score off drives and lobs and in transition,  and that's pretty much it.  And despite that raw nature, he's not especially young either (20 in college) by rookie standards.

I mean look - nobody truly KNOWS  what any prospect will grow up to become.   Every year there are guys who are drafted top 3 who end up role players, and guys who are drafted out of the lottery who end up great staters or stars.  So I may well be wrong, and Jackson might come out and Al silence me from day one.   

But I doubt it.   I've seen way too many players of his type (athletic, defensive minded combo-forwards) who have come through the draft hyped like crazy,  and ultimately amounted to nothing.   And most of those guys didn't have Jackson's lack of physical strength, his mediocre wingspan, or his off-court concerns. I dont see any one talent or skill in this kid that screams "future star".  I see a kid who can run and jump and defend,  and who I expect will struggle to do much beyond that when he finds himself facing NBA size and skill.

I have to agree. There are prospects like this every year it seems, tough-nosed defenders that are safe picks if you're looking for a rotation guy but don't have the offensive ability to ever be a star, or a starter on a very good team. Everybody has that hope that a player can turn into Kawhi Leonard but he is looking like a massive anomaly at this point. I think that teams think, well at the very least he won't be a bust and if he develops a 3 pt. shot at least he's a 3 and D guy which has a lot of value now. How often does that happen though?

Yes, we all love gamers and competitive tough guys. In the end you still have to have the ability though.

I watched a lot of Jackson's games last year. About a dozen.  Really focused on him during each game. He is so much better than Winslow and Gordon were in college, both of whom I liked. he won't  lead the league in scoring, of course, but he will do all the things on the court that will help you win. Sounds cliche I know, but I have never seen a college freshman have such a grasp of making the right decision, with or without the ball, as Jackson. I still want to take Fultz for obvious reasons, but I felt the need to weigh in here.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 16, 2017, 12:05:45 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 16, 2017, 12:14:55 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?  I am far from the only poster who has called you out on this.

Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 16, 2017, 12:44:07 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?  I am far from the only poster who has called you out on this.


I asked you not to lecture me on adolescent behavior, not me as a poster, and when do I lecture others?  I'll admit that I have strong views on a number of topics, yes, but I thought that I was just giving my thoughts on whatever the matter was.  If I have come off as lecturing I sincerely apologize, for that was not, and will never be, my intent. 

The only time I get snarky or whatever is when someone like you attempts to criticize me for something and especially from a rather condescending tone, I might add, but can't be bothered to get the facts straight.  In terms of posting style, that's simply not me, unless, of course, I'm responding in kind ;).
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 16, 2017, 12:59:54 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?  I am far from the only poster who has called you out on this.


I asked you not to lecture me on adolescent behavior, not me as a poster, and when do I lecture others?  I'll admit that I have strong views on a number of topics, yes, but I thought that I was just giving my thoughts on whatever the matter was.  If I have come off as lecturing I sincerely apologize, for that was not, and will never be, my intent. 

The only time I get snarky or whatever is when someone like you attempts to criticize me for whatever and especially from a rather condescending tone, I might add, but can't be bothered to get the facts straight.  In terms of posting style, that's simply not me, unless, of course, I'm responding in kind ;).

You have bragged about and threatened other posters multiple times about reporting other posters (not me) to moderators and successfully getting them suspended or banned because they didn't share your opinions.  No?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 16, 2017, 01:08:18 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?  I am far from the only poster who has called you out on this.


I asked you not to lecture me on adolescent behavior, not me as a poster, and when do I lecture others?  I'll admit that I have strong views on a number of topics, yes, but I thought that I was just giving my thoughts on whatever the matter was.  If I have come off as lecturing I sincerely apologize, for that was not, and will never be, my intent. 

The only time I get snarky or whatever is when someone like you attempts to criticize me for whatever and especially from a rather condescending tone, I might add, but can't be bothered to get the facts straight.  In terms of posting style, that's simply not me, unless, of course, I'm responding in kind ;).

You have bragged about and threatened other posters multiple times about reporting other posters (not me) to moderators and successfully getting them suspended or banned because they didn't share your opinions.

Seriously?  I have never "bragged about" reporting other posters, let alone to get them suspended or banned just because we disagreed as if I have some kind of grand agenda, here.  I reported whoever because the kind of language they used, such as name calling, is against the rules, here.  That's it.  You're really completely misreading the entire situation.  I don't mind disagreeing with someone, but when a poster takes it too far per our rules, then yes, I will report them.  You're not allowed to call someone an idiot, for example.  That's it.  You act like I'm somehow baiting whoever into saying something that will get them kicked off the site, which is so wrong that it's not even funny.

And just who are these posters who I have "successfully" gotten banned or suspended?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 16, 2017, 01:16:29 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?  I am far from the only poster who has called you out on this.


I asked you not to lecture me on adolescent behavior, not me as a poster, and when do I lecture others?  I'll admit that I have strong views on a number of topics, yes, but I thought that I was just giving my thoughts on whatever the matter was.  If I have come off as lecturing I sincerely apologize, for that was not, and will never be, my intent. 

The only time I get snarky or whatever is when someone like you attempts to criticize me for whatever and especially from a rather condescending tone, I might add, but can't be bothered to get the facts straight.  In terms of posting style, that's simply not me, unless, of course, I'm responding in kind ;).

You have bragged about and threatened other posters multiple times about reporting other posters (not me) to moderators and successfully getting them suspended or banned because they didn't share your opinions.

Seriously?  I have never "bragged about" reporting other posters, let alone to get them suspended or banned just because we disagreed as if I have some kind of grand agenda, here.  I reported whoever because the kind of language they used, such as name calling, is against the rules, here.  That's it.  You're really completely misreading the entire situation.  I don't mind disagreeing with someone, but when a poster takes it too far per our rules, then yes, I will report them.  You're not allowed to call someone an idiot, for example.  That's it.  You act like I'm somehow baiting whoever into saying something that will get them kicked off the site, which is so wrong that it's not even funny.

And just who are these posters who I have "successfully" gotten banned or suspended?

You did in fact threaten Alldaboston and did tell him you had previously successfully gotten another poster banned. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 16, 2017, 01:23:34 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 16, 2017, 01:25:50 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Somebody on June 16, 2017, 01:31:10 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: knuckleballer on June 16, 2017, 01:33:02 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.

I'm so excited for him and ... Hayward who I am way to confident will join our team.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Somebody on June 16, 2017, 01:48:00 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.

I'm so excited for him and ... Hayward who I am way to confident will join our team.
Lol just hoping for Fultz, signing Hayward would completely kill our cap.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 16, 2017, 01:53:18 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.

I'm so excited for him and ... Hayward who I am way to confident will join our team.
Lol just hoping for Fultz, signing Hayward would completely kill our cap.

If we don't use our cap space on players like Hayward or Griffin then what are we saving it for ?
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Somebody on June 16, 2017, 01:53:55 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.

I'm so excited for him and ... Hayward who I am way to confident will join our team.
Lol just hoping for Fultz, signing Hayward would completely kill our cap.

If we don't use our cap space on players like Hayward or Griffin then what are we saving it for ?
Extending IT and paying Bradley and Smart, tbh not really high on Hayward, I'm willing to sacrifice that much cap for Griffin though
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 16, 2017, 02:01:01 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.

I'm so excited for him and ... Hayward who I am way to confident will join our team.
Lol just hoping for Fultz, signing Hayward would completely kill our cap.

If we don't use our cap space on players like Hayward or Griffin then what are we saving it for ?
Extending IT and paying Bradley and Smart, tbh not really high on Hayward, I'm willing to sacrifice that much cap for Griffin though

We don't need to use cap space to keep our own guys,we are allowed to go over when resigning our own players
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: CelticsElite on June 16, 2017, 02:04:55 AM
Josh hasn't even worked out for the Celtics. He isn't being drafted by us
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: hpantazo on June 16, 2017, 02:08:06 AM
Josh hasn't even worked out for the Celtics. He isn't being drafted by us
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Somebody on June 16, 2017, 02:09:42 AM
The hell does this have to do with Josh Jackson? 

Doubt he's taken #1, Fultz seems like the clear prize.  But I also wouldn't be shell-shocked given Ainge's draft history.     

As long as we add another elite prospect in the coming weeks, I'm happy as a clam with our direction.

Sorry for the distraction.  Fultz is going number 1.
Yup, hope we keep him as well.

I'm so excited for him and ... Hayward who I am way to confident will join our team.
Lol just hoping for Fultz, signing Hayward would completely kill our cap.

If we don't use our cap space on players like Hayward or Griffin then what are we saving it for ?
Extending IT and paying Bradley and Smart, tbh not really high on Hayward, I'm willing to sacrifice that much cap for Griffin though

We don't need to use cap space to keep our own guys,we are allowed to go over when resigning our own players
The luxury tax will kill us, it's not so much about the cap.
Title: Re: Rumor: Josh Jackson has a top-3 promise
Post by: Beat LA on June 28, 2017, 12:07:04 AM
So you're just not a fan of players who beat women or do stupid things under the influence of alcohol.  I can understand that.  With such a vehement opposition to such behavior, I assume you also don't care for:
- Robert Parish, who beat his wife over the course of a many years
- Larry Bird, who got into a bar fight during the '85 playoffs


As long as you're consistent, that's cool.  If not...you may want to consider ratcheting down your righteous indignation over Jackson's behavior.

I do not.  I will say, though, that in terms of what happened in '85, since I wasn't around then but love reading about Celtic history, etc., do we actually know what happened, because I thought that those records were sealed and Bird settled out of court or something, but I'm probably wrong.  I also don't believe that Larry was drunk at the time, but, again, I'm probably wrong, as I thought that what went down was the result of his "friend" hitting on someone else's girlfriend, or whatever, right?  Am I doing okay so far, lol? ;D

OK, cool, as long as you're consistent, have fun with the righteous indignation.  Must be tough being a C's fan and having such an intense dislike for Larry Bird.  The way he shut his daughter out must really p--- you off. 

And as far as the bar fight...he was in a bar, so I'm assuming he was drinking, since he readily admitted that he liked to drink and have a good time. And he did have a fight, because he later admitted that it was his fault.  So yeah, we do know what happened, at least enough to know that bad decision making can happen to anyone, and that sometime a lapse of judgement is just a lapse of judgement, and not a sign of pathological problem



Actually, Bird's my favorite player.  Ever.  But that doesn't excuse what happened in 85, even though they weren't going to beat the Lakers that year, anyway, imo, and yes, I do know that he liked to drink and have a good time, and probably still does, lol ;D.

The principal difference, to me, however, is that the bar fight was one such incident during a 13 year career, as far as I know, and while that doesn't make it okay, it was more of a blip on the radar, so to speak, whereas with Jackson has already been involved with the cops three times during one year of college, which, while it might not be a pattern, doesn't look good, to say the least, imo.  I'm sorry for valuing character? ::)
I don't think anyone's buying your holier than thou act.

Jackson is 20 years old and none of us have ever met him. Keep your character judgements to yourself.

What holier than thou act?  These are legitimate concerns, in my view.  Has Ainge not repeatedly stated over the years that he values high character individuals?

Oh yeah, and if you're going to request that I keep such opinions to myself, which you have no right to do, btw, could you at least be bothered to spell judgments correctly? ::)  Thanks ;).
Concerns. Yes.

You don't have nearly enough evidence to condemn his character.

I have no problem with anyone who is very concerned about his character and who wouldn't pick him without a rigorous evaluation process of said character, but the rush to condemn the kid because of his criminal record is unfair to Jackson and strikes me as someone who is trying to make sure they are on the politically correct side before they make sure they are actually correct. Jackson might be an **** misogynist. He might not be. We don't have enough info to make a hard and fast judgement.

And we don't have enough info to dismiss it, either ;). And yeah, that's what I was going for, there, by raising said concerns ::).

He was a 19 year old drunk idiot who kicked a taillight.  Stupid, regretful, but that is all.  People need to get over it.

But that's just the thing - it's not all.

As Roy already pointed out to you, that is all.  Why hate on a 19 year old kid?  I don't get it.

Hey, I understand some of your anger.   Do you not remember being 19 years old?  Do you not remember how some of your friends acted at that age?  The fact is 19 year olds are idiots and do 19 year old idiotic things.  I doesn't mean they are evil or irredeemable.

Please don't attempt to lecture me on adolescent behavior when you know absolutely nothing about my life, and I'm not saying that he's beyond hope, as people can obviously grow and change, but as of right now, I wouldn't pick him.  I'm sorry that I don't buy into your 'boys will be boys' rationale ::).

You ask not to lecture you because I don't know you.  Ok.  But are you are at all aware how frequently you lecture others?  Players, prospects, and other posters who you know absolutely nothing about?  I am far from the only poster who has called you out on this.


I asked you not to lecture me on adolescent behavior, not me as a poster, and when do I lecture others?  I'll admit that I have strong views on a number of topics, yes, but I thought that I was just giving my thoughts on whatever the matter was.  If I have come off as lecturing I sincerely apologize, for that was not, and will never be, my intent. 

The only time I get snarky or whatever is when someone like you attempts to criticize me for whatever and especially from a rather condescending tone, I might add, but can't be bothered to get the facts straight.  In terms of posting style, that's simply not me, unless, of course, I'm responding in kind ;).

You have bragged about and threatened other posters multiple times about reporting other posters (not me) to moderators and successfully getting them suspended or banned because they didn't share your opinions.

Seriously?  I have never "bragged about" reporting other posters, let alone to get them suspended or banned just because we disagreed as if I have some kind of grand agenda, here.  I reported whoever because the kind of language they used, such as name calling, is against the rules, here.  That's it.  You're really completely misreading the entire situation.  I don't mind disagreeing with someone, but when a poster takes it too far per our rules, then yes, I will report them.  You're not allowed to call someone an idiot, for example.  That's it.  You act like I'm somehow baiting whoever into saying something that will get them kicked off the site, which is so wrong that it's not even funny.

And just who are these posters who I have "successfully" gotten banned or suspended?

You did in fact threaten Alldaboston and did tell him you had previously successfully gotten another poster banned.

And that's strike three.  If you're interested in what actually went down, which I doubt that you are seeing as how it in no way fits with your fictional version of said events, I'd encourage you to reread this thread from last year, where, again, you completely misinterpreted everything that I had said, but don't let that get in the way of your story ::) -

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86021.msg2128183#msg2128183