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Title: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Androslav on June 07, 2017, 06:41:27 PM
How does Lebron win his 4th ring?
Simple, perhaps the singular goal for him at this point of his career. Golden State looks like it is here to stay for the next 3/4 years and Cleveland will only become less powerful as will Lebron due to the innevetable aging. Can they pull out a rabbit out of a hat this offseason? Who knows, maybe they can work out a good deal for Love, but still...
If Lebron should operate under the same principles as he did in his 2 free agent departures (Miami, Cleveland), he will look for a team that has the highest upside to match this historic Warriors team. Under that assumption, he should sign with us. We could always carve up some space for him, so that is not the issue. Imagine that. He could play the next 5 finals with us in the earthbound east. Not bad for his legacy, 12 finals in a row. And he could come close to GSW, maybe even next season. Hey, if we sign him in the free agency we could still get Jimmy/George after it is all said and done.
Lebron, 4th ring is yours to take. We are here if you want it.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: bmac934 on June 07, 2017, 06:48:34 PM
OR CLE dumps some combo of Tristan Thompson, Shumpert, JR Smith w/ all 3 salaries totaling around 40 million.
LeBron is going absolutely nowhere.  Your better than this.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: celticsclay on June 07, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
What if him, Carmelo, Paul and Wade all join up on a team with oodles and oodles of cap space. That would be crazy. (Hopefully not Brooklyn, probably one of more likely spots given big city that has no big contracts.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 07, 2017, 07:06:44 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record. 

Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 07, 2017, 07:14:22 PM
I know this is all unrealistic hypothetical but Lebron cant be a free agent until next offseason.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 07, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
Maybe the NBA will suspend a GSW player, oh wait, that is how he won his last one.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: celticsclay on June 07, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record.

It would definitely be awesome for their chances if they did, but does any team in the league have less trade able assets than them? They have 1 player under 25 on their roster. That is hard to do in the NBA. By comparison, the Warriors have 4 including guys like Mccaw or Looney that you could at least envision having a future in the league.

So they have to trade one of their big 3 basically... Does that happen?
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 07, 2017, 08:18:28 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record.

It would definitely be awesome for their chances if they did, but does any team in the league have less trade able assets than them? They have 1 player under 25 on their roster. That is hard to do in the NBA. By comparison, the Warriors have 4 including guys like Mccaw or Looney that you could at least envision having a future in the league.

So they have to trade one of their big 3 basically... Does that happen?
The Cavs also can't trade a 1st until 2022 and they're over the luxury tax line.  Definitely not easy to do but how about something like this: 

Cavs get:  Cousins, Carmelo
Cavs lose:  Love, Thompson
Knicks get:  Love
Knicks lose:  Carmelo and #8
NOP gets:  Thompson and #8
NOP loses:  Cousins

Why Cavs do it:  GSW is giving them a public whipping.  They're old with no young assets or picks to get better.  They've got to stir things up to have a chance against GSW. 

Why Knicks do it:  Love is a star with 2 years and a player option on a pretty good contract.  Porzingis should be playing at the 5 anyway.  Carmelo would probably accept a trade to the Cavs.  WooHoo!!!

Why NOP does it:  Cousins could walk after next season.  Thompson is on a good 3 year contract.  At least one of Monk, Isaac and Smith should be available with the #8 pick.   
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Phantom255x on June 07, 2017, 08:42:47 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record.

It would definitely be awesome for their chances if they did, but does any team in the league have less trade able assets than them? They have 1 player under 25 on their roster. That is hard to do in the NBA. By comparison, the Warriors have 4 including guys like Mccaw or Looney that you could at least envision having a future in the league.

So they have to trade one of their big 3 basically... Does that happen?
The Cavs also can't trade a 1st until 2022 and they're over the luxury tax line.  Definitely not easy to do but how about something like this: 

Cavs get:  Cousins, Carmelo
Cavs lose:  Love, Thompson
Knicks get:  Love
Knicks lose:  Carmelo and #8
NOP gets:  Thompson and #8
NOP loses:  Cousins

Why Cavs do it:  GSW is giving them a public whipping.  They're old with no young assets or picks to get better.  They've got to stir things up to have a chance against GSW. 

Why Knicks do it:  Love is a star with 2 years and a player option on a pretty good contract.  Porzingis should be playing at the 5 anyway.  Carmelo would probably accept a trade to the Cavs.  WooHoo!!!

Why NOP does it:  Cousins could walk after next season.  Thompson is on a good 3 year contract.  At least one of Monk, Isaac and Smith should be available with the #8 pick.

Cousins becomes a FA, so Cavs will have to pay him A TON to keep him after next season, and adding Carmelo as well seems like overkill to that cap space.

What is that.. a 200M Payroll?  :o

Thompson and Love together combined make like 38M/Year. Melo alone is going to be 30M/Year with the trade kicker lol.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 07, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record.

It would definitely be awesome for their chances if they did, but does any team in the league have less trade able assets than them? They have 1 player under 25 on their roster. That is hard to do in the NBA. By comparison, the Warriors have 4 including guys like Mccaw or Looney that you could at least envision having a future in the league.

So they have to trade one of their big 3 basically... Does that happen?
The Cavs also can't trade a 1st until 2022 and they're over the luxury tax line.  Definitely not easy to do but how about something like this: 

Cavs get:  Cousins, Carmelo
Cavs lose:  Love, Thompson
Knicks get:  Love
Knicks lose:  Carmelo and #8
NOP gets:  Thompson and #8
NOP loses:  Cousins

Why Cavs do it:  GSW is giving them a public whipping.  They're old with no young assets or picks to get better.  They've got to stir things up to have a chance against GSW. 

Why Knicks do it:  Love is a star with 2 years and a player option on a pretty good contract.  Porzingis should be playing at the 5 anyway.  Carmelo would probably accept a trade to the Cavs.  WooHoo!!!

Why NOP does it:  Cousins could walk after next season.  Thompson is on a good 3 year contract.  At least one of Monk, Isaac and Smith should be available with the #8 pick.

Cousins becomes a FA, so Cavs will have to pay him A TON to keep him after next season, and adding Carmelo as well seems like overkill to that cap space.

What is that.. a 200M Payroll?  :o

Thompson and Love together combined make like 38M/Year. Melo alone is going to be 30M/Year with the trade kicker lol.
Didn't realize Carmelo has a trade kicker but he has the option to waive it.  They've already shown they'll pay luxury tax.  Standing pat is just going to mean more beat downs in the finals until Lebron gets too old.  I could have just suggested Love for Cousins but I don't think that is good enough to make them competitive with GSW.  I'll think some more on it but why don't you take up the challenge to make the Cavs competitive with GSW. 
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Fan from VT on June 07, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record.

It would definitely be awesome for their chances if they did, but does any team in the league have less trade able assets than them? They have 1 player under 25 on their roster. That is hard to do in the NBA. By comparison, the Warriors have 4 including guys like Mccaw or Looney that you could at least envision having a future in the league.

So they have to trade one of their big 3 basically... Does that happen?
The Cavs also can't trade a 1st until 2022 and they're over the luxury tax line.  Definitely not easy to do but how about something like this: 

Cavs get:  Cousins, Carmelo
Cavs lose:  Love, Thompson
Knicks get:  Love
Knicks lose:  Carmelo and #8
NOP gets:  Thompson and #8
NOP loses:  Cousins

Why Cavs do it:  GSW is giving them a public whipping.  They're old with no young assets or picks to get better.  They've got to stir things up to have a chance against GSW. 

Why Knicks do it:  Love is a star with 2 years and a player option on a pretty good contract.  Porzingis should be playing at the 5 anyway.  Carmelo would probably accept a trade to the Cavs.  WooHoo!!!

Why NOP does it:  Cousins could walk after next season.  Thompson is on a good 3 year contract.  At least one of Monk, Isaac and Smith should be available with the #8 pick.

Cousins becomes a FA, so Cavs will have to pay him A TON to keep him after next season, and adding Carmelo as well seems like overkill to that cap space.

What is that.. a 200M Payroll?  :o

Thompson and Love together combined make like 38M/Year. Melo alone is going to be 30M/Year with the trade kicker lol.
Didn't realize Carmelo has a trade kicker but he has the option to waive it.  They've already shown they'll pay luxury tax.  Standing pat is just going to mean more beat downs in the finals until Lebron gets too old.  I could have just suggested Love for Cousins but I don't think that is good enough to make them competitive with GSW.  I'll think some more on it but why don't you take up the challenge to make the Cavs competitive with GSW.


Would Kyrie for Jrue Holiday and Cousins work? Who says no?
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 07, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
The Cavs need to figure out some way to acquire Cousins.  You've got to hurt GSW inside and keep them from going small ball.  For the conspiracy theorists, Thompson for Cousins and NOP miraculously gets the #1 pick in next year's draft from the 10th worst record.

It would definitely be awesome for their chances if they did, but does any team in the league have less trade able assets than them? They have 1 player under 25 on their roster. That is hard to do in the NBA. By comparison, the Warriors have 4 including guys like Mccaw or Looney that you could at least envision having a future in the league.

So they have to trade one of their big 3 basically... Does that happen?
The Cavs also can't trade a 1st until 2022 and they're over the luxury tax line.  Definitely not easy to do but how about something like this: 

Cavs get:  Cousins, Carmelo
Cavs lose:  Love, Thompson
Knicks get:  Love
Knicks lose:  Carmelo and #8
NOP gets:  Thompson and #8
NOP loses:  Cousins

Why Cavs do it:  GSW is giving them a public whipping.  They're old with no young assets or picks to get better.  They've got to stir things up to have a chance against GSW. 

Why Knicks do it:  Love is a star with 2 years and a player option on a pretty good contract.  Porzingis should be playing at the 5 anyway.  Carmelo would probably accept a trade to the Cavs.  WooHoo!!!

Why NOP does it:  Cousins could walk after next season.  Thompson is on a good 3 year contract.  At least one of Monk, Isaac and Smith should be available with the #8 pick.

Cousins becomes a FA, so Cavs will have to pay him A TON to keep him after next season, and adding Carmelo as well seems like overkill to that cap space.

What is that.. a 200M Payroll?  :o

Thompson and Love together combined make like 38M/Year. Melo alone is going to be 30M/Year with the trade kicker lol.
Didn't realize Carmelo has a trade kicker but he has the option to waive it.  They've already shown they'll pay luxury tax.  Standing pat is just going to mean more beat downs in the finals until Lebron gets too old.  I could have just suggested Love for Cousins but I don't think that is good enough to make them competitive with GSW.  I'll think some more on it but why don't you take up the challenge to make the Cavs competitive with GSW.


Would Kyrie for Jrue Holiday and Cousins work? Who says no?
I thought about that but Jrue Holiday is free agent so he's most likely to be making 20M+.  It would have to be done as a sign and trade with Jrue.  Not sure if that puts any limits on the trade.  The team salary would be similar to my Cousins and Carmelo proposal. 

I simulated Jrue getting 22M.  At that amount, Jrue and Cousins for Irving and Thompson would work.  I just don't think Love is that useful against GSW especially if they have Cousins.   What they really need is Cousins and someone relatively cheap to help guard Durant.   

Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Moranis on June 08, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
I think Kevin Love for Paul George makes a lot of sense for both teams.  Indiana gets a "star" locked up for longer term to try and build around, and Cleveland gets a much better defender for the inevitable Golden State matchup.  How much different does this series look if George or James is always guarding Durant and Cleveland has to hide one less player on defense?  I would think George would re-sign in Cleveland in that scenario, but if not, I think I still might do that trade if I'm Cleveland because it greatly increases their chances of winning next year and maximizing James' window (since he is already starting to slow, there just aren't that many years left). 
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Donoghus on June 08, 2017, 11:19:28 AM
I think Kevin Love for Paul George makes a lot of sense for both teams.  Indiana gets a "star" locked up for longer term to try and build around, and Cleveland gets a much better defender for the inevitable Golden State matchup.  How much different does this series look if George or James is always guarding Durant and Cleveland has to hide one less player on defense?  I would think George would re-sign in Cleveland in that scenario, but if not, I think I still might do that trade if I'm Cleveland because it greatly increases their chances of winning next year and maximizing James' window (since he is already starting to slow, there just aren't that many years left).

I think its a lateral move at best for CLE & not sure it makes them that much better to beat GSW in the Finals.   You lose a good amount from Love that I'm not sure you can recoup from George.  Especially on the offensive play making end/rebounding wise.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 08, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
I think Kevin Love for Paul George makes a lot of sense for both teams.  Indiana gets a "star" locked up for longer term to try and build around, and Cleveland gets a much better defender for the inevitable Golden State matchup.  How much different does this series look if George or James is always guarding Durant and Cleveland has to hide one less player on defense?  I would think George would re-sign in Cleveland in that scenario, but if not, I think I still might do that trade if I'm Cleveland because it greatly increases their chances of winning next year and maximizing James' window (since he is already starting to slow, there just aren't that many years left).

Kevin Love has been money this year.
If Cleveland didn't squander last nights game, this series is 2-1,
with the Cavs ready to even it up.  They controlled most of the tempo in last nights game.

Why not pick up a defender to play against Durant?  Or a shot blocking big man?
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 08, 2017, 11:47:09 AM
Paul resigns in LAC. James moves there as an FA. Sign and trade Griffin for Melo. Wade signs for cheap. Jordan is shipped off for assets to make cap room.

Paul/Crawford
Wade/Rivers
Melo/Reddick/
James/Bass
VetMin FA/Asset from Jordan deal/Speights

Doesn't beat GSW but these guys have wanted to play together forever. This gives them a chance to do so in the bright lights of LAC where LeBron now has a house.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Donoghus on June 08, 2017, 12:01:12 PM
Paul resigns in LAC. James moves there as an FA. Sign and trade Griffin for Melo. Wade signs for cheap. Jordan is shipped off for assets to make cap room.

Paul/Crawford
Wade/Rivers
Melo/Reddick/
James/Bass
VetMin FA/Asset from Jordan deal/Speights

Doesn't beat GSW but these guys have wanted to play together forever. This gives them a chance to do so in the bright lights of LAC where LeBron now has a house.

And you just constructed what might end up being the most hated team in NBA history.   
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Chief on June 08, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Paul resigns in LAC. James moves there as an FA. Sign and trade Griffin for Melo. Wade signs for cheap. Jordan is shipped off for assets to make cap room.

Paul/Crawford
Wade/Rivers
Melo/Reddick/
James/Bass
VetMin FA/Asset from Jordan deal/Speights

Doesn't beat GSW but these guys have wanted to play together forever. This gives them a chance to do so in the bright lights of LAC where LeBron now has a house.

And you just constructed what might end up being the most hated team in NBA history.

Celtics might win the East though.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: celticsclay on June 08, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
I would be fascinated to see the banana boat team ever assembled. It would also be interesting to root for the really old players. I always have had a soft spot for players on the final two or three years of their career.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Moranis on June 08, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
I think Kevin Love for Paul George makes a lot of sense for both teams.  Indiana gets a "star" locked up for longer term to try and build around, and Cleveland gets a much better defender for the inevitable Golden State matchup.  How much different does this series look if George or James is always guarding Durant and Cleveland has to hide one less player on defense?  I would think George would re-sign in Cleveland in that scenario, but if not, I think I still might do that trade if I'm Cleveland because it greatly increases their chances of winning next year and maximizing James' window (since he is already starting to slow, there just aren't that many years left).

I think its a lateral move at best for CLE & not sure it makes them that much better to beat GSW in the Finals.   You lose a good amount from Love that I'm not sure you can recoup from George.  Especially on the offensive play making end/rebounding wise.
George is a fine playmaker and a mich better passer than Love.  Obviously he isn't the rebounder Love is but he isn't bad.  He is however a significantly better defender.  Love can't guard Durant, George can.  Cleveland is losing the series  because it can't stop Durant.  George is also a lot more consistent than Love.  I mean look at Love's 3 games I  the finals, he is all over the place
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 08, 2017, 12:54:34 PM
Who says PG13 wants to go to Cleveland though? Are they willing to risk losing him after a season? If they could dump TT+picks/fillers for him, then they can match up much better. The truth is the Cavs are set up for the now with little assets to offer and no cap space. There "now" is great. Unfortunately for them, another team is even better.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Moranis on June 08, 2017, 12:58:47 PM
Who says PG13 wants to go to Cleveland though? Are they willing to risk losing him after a season? If they could dump TT+picks/fillers for him, then they can match up much better. The truth is the Cavs are set up for the now with little assets to offer and no cap space. There "now" is great. Unfortunately for them, another team is even better.
George has consistently said he wants to win.  He would be going to the best team in the East and will be that for the foreseeable future.  That team not only gives him the best chance to win, but also the biggest and longest contract.  Now maybe he leaves, but I just don't see that as all that likely unless he just doesn't get along with James (which again is unlikely since I can't recall a player disliking playing with James).
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: jpotter33 on June 08, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
Who says PG13 wants to go to Cleveland though? Are they willing to risk losing him after a season? If they could dump TT+picks/fillers for him, then they can match up much better. The truth is the Cavs are set up for the now with little assets to offer and no cap space. There "now" is great. Unfortunately for them, another team is even better.
George has consistently said he wants to win.  He would be going to the best team in the East and will be that for the foreseeable future.  That team not only gives him the best chance to win, but also the biggest and longest contract.  Now maybe he leaves, but I just don't see that as all that likely unless he just doesn't get along with James (which again is unlikely since I can't recall a player disliking playing with James).

Pretty sure I remember PG was also critical of the Durant to GS move and said that he wants to beat Lebron, not join him.

I see no way of this happening. I think the PG to LA fairytale is more likely. In fact, I think it'd be more likely for them to team up somewhere in LA than in Cleveland, as The Ringer speculated today that Lebron might leave Cleveland in 2018 for LA.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: chilidawg on June 08, 2017, 01:27:39 PM
Cleveland is losing the series because it lacks the depth and length that GS has.  They're relying almost entirely on James and Irving, with occasional (but not enough) support from Love, Smith and Korver.  It seemed at the end of game 3 those guys were gassed (or they just choked).  Thompson has been rendered irrelevant (Celtics should pay attention to how they are doing this!).

I do think adding George would help greatly, but they also need role players who can contribute.  I think part of the reason that GS's role players have success is coaching though, so maybe that's the best place to start.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: makaveli on June 08, 2017, 01:30:32 PM
OR CLE dumps some combo of Tristan Thompson, Shumpert, JR Smith w/ all 3 salaries totaling around 40 million.
LeBron is going absolutely nowhere.  Your better than this.
this.
they would burn him alive if he left the Cavs(again, especially for the Celtics)

the cavs will be a lock in the east as long as they keep their core, so it makes no sense for him to go search elsewhere.
They will get better next year, and challenge the Warriors just fine.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: JohnBoy65 on June 08, 2017, 01:36:36 PM
OR CLE dumps some combo of Tristan Thompson, Shumpert, JR Smith w/ all 3 salaries totaling around 40 million.
LeBron is going absolutely nowhere.  Your better than this.
this.
they would burn him alive if he left the Cavs(again, especially for the Celtics)

the cavs will be a lock in the east as long as they keep their core, so it makes no sense for him to go search elsewhere.
They will get better next year, and challenge the Warriors just fine.

I said this in a different thread, but on the Bill Simmons podcast he said there is serious talk around the league that LeBron will leave Cleveland once his contract is up. People are saying he wants to end his career in LA. LeBron cares about 2 things: Stats and Rings. It's never been about the fans, it's never been about how he looks, it's always been about those 2 things mentioned. I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibilities for him to leave again. Not saying it's a done deal, but it could happen.

Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Androslav on June 08, 2017, 02:18:05 PM
My premise when creating this thread was finding the easiest route for Lebron to a longterm powerhouse team that can match the Warriors for years to come. Many replies concentrated around the "banana boat crew", but that bunch doesn't scare me TBH from the Celtic perspective. Warriors would be delighted if he were to choose that path too. They are old and this sport is for the young.
We have spent billions of hours and letters written on CB about how we are magicaly set for the future. And when I inserted LBJ in our frame, a lot of replies were unconsciously telling there are better places to go. The LA. teams. I guess the BB crew would meat up at Docs hardwood. I just can't buy that. The media is pumping the Lakers story since he came into the league. I respectfully disagree to that narrative. They are irrelevant and they need need to come up with the stories. Only the Warriors are better set for the future and he is not going there. San Antonio could rival us, they have Kawhi and Pop afterall. But if purely titles are on his mind, Boston is the best place to go at the moment considering: Coach, GM, supporting cast, conference, straight finals made record legacy chase, ownerships willingness to spend and future assets. He could ride the wave untill he is 40+ years old. We are that good, we won 17 of these things and we haven't forgot how to do it again.
 
If a wife/husband could cheat 2 times, they can do it for the 3rd time too. So much for his Cleveland loyality. He won them a title to remember, beating a 73 win team down 3:1. That was his gracious gift to them. He is his own man, he earned that right.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: cons on June 08, 2017, 02:26:33 PM
I mean, isn't the easiest way to just follow Durant's example and join Golden State?
 
who cares about competition anymore?


Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Androslav on June 09, 2017, 05:47:12 AM
I mean, isn't the easiest way to just follow Durant's example and join Golden State?
 
who cares about competition anymore?
It would hurt his legacy (joining his rival Durant and GSW) and contract value. If it was 7 years ago, when he left for Miami, he would have joined them for sure.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Androslav on June 09, 2017, 05:52:18 AM
Paul resigns in LAC. James moves there as an FA. Sign and trade Griffin for Melo. Wade signs for cheap. Jordan is shipped off for assets to make cap room.

Paul/Crawford
Wade/Rivers
Melo/Reddick/
James/Bass
VetMin FA/Asset from Jordan deal/Speights

Doesn't beat GSW but these guys have wanted to play together forever. This gives them a chance to do so in the bright lights of LAC where LeBron now has a house.

And you just constructed what might end up being the most hated team in NBA history.

Celtics might win the East though.
GSW would win that LAC team 4:-1 :)
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 09, 2017, 06:26:08 AM
He does have a house there.

Quote
this.
they would burn him alive if he left the Cavs(again, especially for the Celtics)

I do not think he would come here we are not good enough for him to bolt too.   I also think that you underestimate his caring for himself.   He has done it once, and could do it again.   I agree people would turn on him but he has took that heat once.   But your literally talking about a guy who thinks the world rotates around him.

Now if they trade Love for PGIII then I think he stays.

Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: G-Bones on June 09, 2017, 06:59:59 AM
LeBron has enough money.  Why not join the Warriors as the 5th all star for the vet minimum?  If you can't beat, you join 'em. 
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Moranis on June 09, 2017, 09:44:33 AM
Who says PG13 wants to go to Cleveland though? Are they willing to risk losing him after a season? If they could dump TT+picks/fillers for him, then they can match up much better. The truth is the Cavs are set up for the now with little assets to offer and no cap space. There "now" is great. Unfortunately for them, another team is even better.
George has consistently said he wants to win.  He would be going to the best team in the East and will be that for the foreseeable future.  That team not only gives him the best chance to win, but also the biggest and longest contract.  Now maybe he leaves, but I just don't see that as all that likely unless he just doesn't get along with James (which again is unlikely since I can't recall a player disliking playing with James).

Pretty sure I remember PG was also critical of the Durant to GS move and said that he wants to beat Lebron, not join him.

I see no way of this happening. I think the PG to LA fairytale is more likely. In fact, I think it'd be more likely for them to team up somewhere in LA than in Cleveland, as The Ringer speculated today that Lebron might leave Cleveland in 2018 for LA.
being traded is a lot different than leaving in free agency.  If George is traded to Cleveland for Love, I think he would get over that whole beating Lebron thing fairly quickly and turn his attention to the Warriors. 

The Cavs need another wing defender.  Smith is just too old (and was only ok anyway) and Shumpert has also lost a step.  They need someone else that they can rely to play on both sides of the floor.  They also need some defenders on the bench (and less shooters though the shooting would be a bonus, you know a Bruce Bowen type player). 

I really think Cleveland will explore heavily moving Love for a wing defender.  You start looking around and the only one that really makes sense is George.  That would alter the narrative a great deal in Cleveland. 

I could also see the Cavs looking at moving Thompson and maybe trying for say Anthony from the Knicks.  That too would at least get the Cavs a very consistent 3rd option, and frankly as bad as Thompson has been everywhere, Anthony might actually be better than him everywhere (not just offensively).  Heck they could do both moves.  How strange would the Cavs be with Anthony, James, George, Irving, and Smith.  Even the Warriors would struggle defending that team and it has the offensive firepower to match up well with them. 

at the end of the day, Cleveland only cares about 1 team, and that team is currently up 3-0 in the Finals on it.  Cleveland will make moves that make it more likely for the Cavs to beat the Warriors and won't pay attention at all to any other team in the league. 
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: timpiker on June 09, 2017, 09:52:19 AM
Knowing LeBUM's history I would not be surprised to see him leave after next year  - the 2018/2019 season when he can take the player option out.  He's on record that he wants to play a couple of years with his friends.  Now, assuming he does, by that time him and his friends will all be mostly over the hill and I don't think even they could win.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Androslav on June 30, 2017, 03:36:37 AM
So I guess Houston just became a player for Lebron in the next free agency.
GSW set the bar high, but not too high not to be caught within a year or 2 by the rest of the league. Russell days (11 in 13) are long gone.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: gouki88 on June 30, 2017, 03:56:25 AM
So I guess Houston just became a player for Lebron in the next free agency.
GSW set the bar high, but not too high not to be caught within a year or 2 by the rest of the league. Russell days (11 in 13) are long gone.
I'm not sure how well that team would function honestly. 3 guys who are all ball dominant playmakers, none of which are elite shooters from deep (except Paul, but he's an aging 6' guard).

Would be hard to fit them all together, especially defensively.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 30, 2017, 06:32:05 AM
I am sure he will run somewhere where he thinks they can compete.  We taught him a lesson with our big three PP, KG and Allen that he will never forget.
Title: Re: Lebron - Title hunt III
Post by: Androslav on June 08, 2018, 03:51:37 PM
I bumped this old thread since it became relevant. Even though, nobody thought so at the time.
I changed my stance since then on LeBron comming here.
From the time I wrote it, I came to emotionaly connected with our new players.
Tatum, Brown, Horford, Theiss, Rozier, Kyrie all made me fall in love with them in some unique way, even Hayward, I want him to come back better then ever. But most of all I want them to make their own destiny, not LeBrons. He is a made man, our guys are not. I want them to become great by their own rules.