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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Tr1boy on May 18, 2017, 11:02:09 PM
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-Dick Vitale has said Tatum should go #1
-CBS has Celtics picking Tatum at #1 due to the Celtics already having IT4, AB etc.
-- why is Tatum considered to be a better prospect than Fultz?
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
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AB has to go no matter who you pick(you can't give both max..)
and Tatum's problem is his ahteletism/strengh and complete game compared to PP
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Flutz is the pick. He has that Herky jerky Paul Pierce game. Flutz is so far of anyone else in this draft in game development it's scary and he's the youngest guy at the top of the draft. Same beautiful change of pace and the PP spin move. He's going to be a bucket getter like Pierce and his outside shot is beautiful. He's shooting 40% from 3 with guys right up in his grill. He's driving on multiple defenders and getting to the rim or pulling up for that quick little jumper. Fultz has all those little moves like an NBA vet that keep defenders off balance. When I watch those Fultz highlights he moves like Paul Pierce did and It's the pick PP gave The Celtics so I can think of no one better to pick.
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
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Flutz is the pick. He has that Herky jerky Paul Pierce game. Flutz is so far of anyone else in this draft in game development it's scary and he's the youngest guy at the top of the draft. Same beautiful change of pace and the PP spin move. He's going to be a bucket getter like Pierce and his outside shot is beautiful. He's shooting 40% from 3 with guys right up in his grill. He's driving on multiple defenders and getting to the rim or pulling up for that quick little jumper. Fultz has all those little moves like an NBA vet that keep defenders off balance. When I watch those Fultz highlights he moves like Paul Pierce did and It's the pick PP gave The Celtics so I can think of no one better to pick.
Flutz? Haha, I'm dying laughing. Don't know if it was intentional, but TP either way.
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
I think they were pretty similar last year in that neither really seemed to give max effort on that side of the ball. I think Fultz has much better potential for his position. He'll be one of the most athletic guys at his position with great size. Tatum will have good size at the 3, but only average athletically.
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
I think they were pretty similar last year in that neither really seemed to give max effort on that side of the ball. I think Fultz has much better potential for his position. He'll be one of the most athletic guys at his position with great size. Tatum will have good size at the 3, but only average athletically.
I wonder then why Vitale , CBS for example thinks Tatum should go #1.
Vitale has been around a long time...so what he says shouldnt be totally discounted
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
I think they were pretty similar last year in that neither really seemed to give max effort on that side of the ball. I think Fultz has much better potential for his position. He'll be one of the most athletic guys at his position with great size. Tatum will have good size at the 3, but only average athletically.
I wonder then why Vitale , CBS for example thinks Tatum should go #1.
Vitale has been around a long time...so what he says shouldnt be totally discounted
Vitale said he hasn't seen any of Fultz's games and has only seen highlights.
Vitale didn't even have Fultz in his top three (Tatum, Jackson, Ball).
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
I think they were pretty similar last year in that neither really seemed to give max effort on that side of the ball. I think Fultz has much better potential for his position. He'll be one of the most athletic guys at his position with great size. Tatum will have good size at the 3, but only average athletically.
I wonder then why Vitale , CBS for example thinks Tatum should go #1.
Vitale has been around a long time...so what he says shouldnt be totally discounted
I'm a big fan of Tatum and have been talking him up for the past season, largely because I didn't want to get my hopes up for Fultz when we only had a 25% chance of getting him.
Vitale has certainly called a lot more Duke games than Washington games so I'm not surprised that that's his take. He's not a serious scout on these matters.
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Slightly off topic but how does Tatum compare to Michael Porter?
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I like Tatum, but he needs to add serious muscle. Fultz is the pick if you keep it. Jaylen is the future at SF. Jaylen already has the body for the position and you've already seen his development throughout the season
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
I think they were pretty similar last year in that neither really seemed to give max effort on that side of the ball. I think Fultz has much better potential for his position. He'll be one of the most athletic guys at his position with great size. Tatum will have good size at the 3, but only average athletically.
I wonder then why Vitale , CBS for example thinks Tatum should go #1.
Vitale has been around a long time...so what he says shouldnt be totally discounted
Vitale said he hasn't seen any of Fultz's games and has only seen highlights.
Vitale didn't even have Fultz in his top three (Tatum, Jackson, Ball).
This draft reminds me of 2008 - 2009 drafts free for all
I just hope Fultz doesnt end up becoming a Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordons while you miss out on the likes of Russell Westbrook or Derozan
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
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In terms of 1 on 1 skills.. Tatum might have a tiny edge..due to ability to separate away from his man , turn the corner
Fultz from what I have seen may have trouble losing his man, turning the corner against a very good/explosive defender
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
To be fair KAT was on a stacked team with WCS, the Harrison twins, and Dakari Johnson... all NBA caliber players. Fultz was on a team with literal nobodies... he had to do everything.
You have to focus less on record and more on individual skills with Fultz. Chambers is spot on... his skills at 18 are unbelievably polished. The 7 ft wingspan is impressive as well. He has the tools to be a 2 way monster, and is already elite offensively.
You have to take Fultz if you pick #1...
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
Him not having a lot of competition through out the season does bother me a little, BUT.
This kid was also on JV his sophomore year. With in three years he's gone from a good player to being talked about as the #1 with three other really good players.
Thats kinda impressive, and shows hard work. And he JUST turned 19.
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Who cares, Ainge won't take anyone but Fultz.
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
Perspective: Fultz had to play against good teams like Arizona and UCLA. Ball, conversely, got to play against crap teams like Washington ...
The good GMs don't really give that much credence to NCAA team performance. NCAA team performance tends to correlate most with how many talented upperclassmen the coach can convince to stay around. It has far less to do with how individually talented a given freshman player is.
History is littered with March Madness superstars who ended up doing nothing in the NBA.
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-Dick Vitale has said Tatum should go #1
-CBS has Celtics picking Tatum at #1 due to the Celtics already having IT4, AB etc.
-- why is Tatum considered to be a better prospect than Fultz?
He's not.
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
Perspective: Fultz had to play against good teams like Arizona and UCLA. Ball, conversely, got to play against crap teams like Washington ...
The good GMs don't really give that much credence to NCAA team performance. NCAA team performance tends to correlate most with how many talented upperclassmen the coach can convince to stay around. It has far less to do with how individually talented a given freshman player is.
History is littered with March Madness superstars who ended up doing nothing in the NBA.
I disagree on some of the things you are saying
Ideally if the prospect plays to their capabilities and the team wins/dominates... You got the undisputed top prospect
This is what happened with Lebron... He won 3-4 consecutive hs titles + stats... Teams knew he was for real
If James got the stats but no hs titles.. maybe he doesnt go 1 or cavs may think to trade the pick
And this is what is going on with Fultz... If it was absolute/he was the next great... There would be zero talks about trading him for Butler, pg13 but the conversation exist
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-Dick Vitale has said Tatum should go #1
-CBS has Celtics picking Tatum at #1 due to the Celtics already having IT4, AB etc.
-- why is Tatum considered to be a better prospect than Fultz?
He's not.
So Tatum doesnt do anything better. Except is taller... That is what you are saying
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
Perspective: Fultz had to play against good teams like Arizona and UCLA. Ball, conversely, got to play against crap teams like Washington ...
The good GMs don't really give that much credence to NCAA team performance. NCAA team performance tends to correlate most with how many talented upperclassmen the coach can convince to stay around. It has far less to do with how individually talented a given freshman player is.
History is littered with March Madness superstars who ended up doing nothing in the NBA.
I disagree on some of the things you are saying
Ideally if the prospect plays to their capabilities and the team wins/dominates... You got the undisputed top prospect
This is what happened with Lebron... He won 3-4 consecutive hs titles + stats... Teams knew he was for real
If James got the stats but no hs titles.. maybe he doesnt go 1 or cavs may think to trade the pick
And this is what is going on with Fultz... If it was absolute/he was the next great... There would be zero talks about trading him for Butler, pg13 but the conversation exist
No. Basketball is a team game. Even Lebron did not win titles until he got super talented help. Neither did MJ.
(Also, Lebron was drafted out of high school so he never won a single NCAA game. So I'm not sure why you are even talking about him.)
Markelle is great, but no one is claiming he is the next Larry Bird. He declared early for Washington expecting to play with Marquis Chriss and Dejounte Murray. Instead, those guys declared for the NBA and Markell was basically playing with the equivalent of a junior varsity team around him.
If you really think those team results are at all any reflection of his individual talent then you are just being willfully superficial about the situation. Good GMs do not look at things so superficially. You have to look at the player in detail as an individual and project how HE is going to be in the NBA over the next 4 - 10 years. You aren't drafting his college teammates.
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
Perspective: Fultz had to play against good teams like Arizona and UCLA. Ball, conversely, got to play against crap teams like Washington ...
The good GMs don't really give that much credence to NCAA team performance. NCAA team performance tends to correlate most with how many talented upperclassmen the coach can convince to stay around. It has far less to do with how individually talented a given freshman player is.
History is littered with March Madness superstars who ended up doing nothing in the NBA.
I disagree on some of the things you are saying
Ideally if the prospect plays to their capabilities and the team wins/dominates... You got the undisputed top prospect
This is what happened with Lebron... He won 3-4 consecutive hs titles + stats... Teams knew he was for real
If James got the stats but no hs titles.. maybe he doesnt go 1 or cavs may think to trade the pick
And this is what is going on with Fultz... If it was absolute/he was the next great... There would be zero talks about trading him for Butler, pg13 but the conversation exist
No. Basketball is a team game. Even Lebron did not win titles until he got super talented help. Neither did MJ.
(Also, Lebron was drafted out of high school so he never won a single NCAA game. So I'm not sure why you are even talking about him.)
Markelle is great, but no one is claiming he is the next Larry Bird. He declared early for Washington expecting to play with Marquis Chriss and Dejounte Murray. Instead, those guys declared for the NBA and Markell was basically playing with the equivalent of a junior varsity team around him.
If you really think those team results are at all any reflection of his individual talent then you are just being willfully superficial about the situation. Good GMs do not look at things so superficially. You have to look at the player in detail as an individual and project how HE is going to be in the NBA over the next 4 - 10 years. You aren't drafting his college teammates.
Bc he won 3-4 hs championships .. I dont think any other high schoolers did that before
How do you think he was considered the next great without even playing college ball
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
I agree.... But then again when you look at plays like below... You pause for a sec... If Tatum was just a little more aggressive he would of had a better freshman year
https://youtu.be/z8fXpxx-aCY
Fultz would still be way ahead of Tatum because of his 3 point shooting and pick and roll ability. They are the 2 most important skills for an NBA guard to master and Fultz has mastered BOTH at age 18. Then we talk about another critical part of his game that he has mastered-the mid range/ pull up game.
Fultz has potential as a top 5 scorer in the NBA.
Chris Mannix (i think it was) said on toucher and rich that most NBA GMs see Fultz as the clear #1 pick in his own tier because of how advanced/complete his moves are and his understanding in the pick and roll.
What about defense?
What about vs stiff competition?
You make it sound like Fultz did this against superior talent...and that was not the case (half the time). Look at the game vs Ball...it was pretty even. Some say Ball played better
I like Fultz but its not like he had a karl towns/duncan like performance (stats plus winning games against the best)...so its a little harder to come to an absolute conclusion imo
Perspective: Fultz had to play against good teams like Arizona and UCLA. Ball, conversely, got to play against crap teams like Washington ...
The good GMs don't really give that much credence to NCAA team performance. NCAA team performance tends to correlate most with how many talented upperclassmen the coach can convince to stay around. It has far less to do with how individually talented a given freshman player is.
History is littered with March Madness superstars who ended up doing nothing in the NBA.
I disagree on some of the things you are saying
Ideally if the prospect plays to their capabilities and the team wins/dominates... You got the undisputed top prospect
This is what happened with Lebron... He won 3-4 consecutive hs titles + stats... Teams knew he was for real
If James got the stats but no hs titles.. maybe he doesnt go 1 or cavs may think to trade the pick
And this is what is going on with Fultz... If it was absolute/he was the next great... There would be zero talks about trading him for Butler, pg13 but the conversation exist
No. Basketball is a team game. Even Lebron did not win titles until he got super talented help. Neither did MJ.
(Also, Lebron was drafted out of high school so he never won a single NCAA game. So I'm not sure why you are even talking about him.)
Markelle is great, but no one is claiming he is the next Larry Bird. He declared early for Washington expecting to play with Marquis Chriss and Dejounte Murray. Instead, those guys declared for the NBA and Markell was basically playing with the equivalent of a junior varsity team around him.
If you really think those team results are at all any reflection of his individual talent then you are just being willfully superficial about the situation. Good GMs do not look at things so superficially. You have to look at the player in detail as an individual and project how HE is going to be in the NBA over the next 4 - 10 years. You aren't drafting his college teammates.
Then draft carmelo anthony
Stats/ind accomplishments cant be everything
Its understandable ..with markelle being in a tough situation
But ideally if you can accomplish ind stats/plus team accomplishments ... You are ahead of the game vs accomplishing only one or the other
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Flutz is the pick. He has that Herky jerky Paul Pierce game. Flutz is so far of anyone else in this draft in game development it's scary and he's the youngest guy at the top of the draft. Same beautiful change of pace and the PP spin move. He's going to be a bucket getter like Pierce and his outside shot is beautiful. He's shooting 40% from 3 with guys right up in his grill. He's driving on multiple defenders and getting to the rim or pulling up for that quick little jumper. Fultz has all those little moves like an NBA vet that keep defenders off balance. When I watch those Fultz highlights he moves like Paul Pierce did and It's the pick PP gave The Celtics so I can think of no one better to pick.
Flutz? Haha, I'm dying laughing. Don't know if it was intentional, but TP either way.
Thanks, but I'm dead serious. Fultz has all Those PP moves and he's 18. That's crazy to me.
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I'm a fan of Tatum. I could make an argument why he should be the second pick. He's a tall wing who can score at all levels and score in isolation using experienced veteran moves that he's already using. He reminds me of Pierce. That said, without a doubt, Fultz is the pick.
What about Tatums defensive potential? Compared to Fultz?
I think they were pretty similar last year in that neither really seemed to give max effort on that side of the ball. I think Fultz has much better potential for his position. He'll be one of the most athletic guys at his position with great size. Tatum will have good size at the 3, but only average athletically.
I wonder then why Vitale , CBS for example thinks Tatum should go #1.
Vitale has been around a long time...so what he says shouldnt be totally discounted
Vitals thought Rondo would be a terrible pro. He's an ACC -Duke fan club president.
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The game today is dominated by two things: 3 point shooting and running the high pick and roll. These are two things that Fultz does better than most current solid NBA point guards. He is an absolute wizard in the pick and roll and he shoots an elite NBA percentage at 18 years old.
To me he's probably the closest prospect to Harden since Harden- even more so than Buddy Hield.
He shoots 40% from three and is better in every aspect of the game than Hield. Just think about that. If Buddy Hield had the dribble drive game and domination in the pick and roll like Derrick Rose or Kyrie Irving in college.
The dream would be a dominant NBA superstar guard ala Harden. Imagine DeMar DeRozan with a jumpshot and even better handles....
his name is Markelle Fultz.
He is a truly complete offensive player with the physical tools to become a complete defensive player too.
Good comp vs Ball
https://youtu.be/NImUPXFO7fM (https://youtu.be/NImUPXFO7fM)
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like this next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz this sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
Tatum block highlight
https://youtu.be/0hQsKw3o4TM
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz tjis sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
I'm probably wrong, but he looks like the classic Duke tweener, to me - not quick enough to guard small forwards and too small to guard 4s - and given that he was being defended by much slower power forwards during the season, how, well, quick, is he, really?
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz tjis sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
I'm probably wrong, but he looks like the classic Duke tweener, to me - not quick enough to guard small forwards and too small to guard 4s - and given that he was being defended by much slower power forwards during the season, how, well, quick, is he, really?
Doesnt this just mean he is a fit under cbs system ;D
His body still hasnt filled out/refined.. he could become quicker/more explosive
He didnt get measured at the combine but could have grown a little. Could now be 6'9. Looks like has a longer wingspan than 6'11. Maybe 7'0, 7'1
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz tjis sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
I'm probably wrong, but he looks like the classic Duke tweener, to me - not quick enough to guard small forwards and too small to guard 4s - and given that he was being defended by much slower power forwards during the season, how, well, quick, is he, really?
Doesnt this just mean he is a fit under cbs system ;D
His body still hasnt filled out/refined.. he could become quicker/more explosive
He didnt get measured at the combine but could have grown a little. Could now be 6'9. Looks like has a longer wingspan than 6'11. Maybe 7'0, 7'1
True ;D, TP.
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like this next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz this sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
Tatum block highlight
https://youtu.be/0hQsKw3o4TM
College stats:
Tatum Blk 1.1 Stl 1.3 RB 7.3
Fultz Blk 1.2 Stl 1.6 RB 5.7
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like this next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz this sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
Tatum block highlight
https://youtu.be/0hQsKw3o4TM
Tatum isnt a shot blocker...
The italicized is a decent point, but Brown should be able to do the same thing in a few years.
Also, I think Lebron would have had to murder someone to get the 5th foul before the 4th quarter and he was gonna have to do something real egregious to foul out.
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like this next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz this sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
Tatum block highlight
https://youtu.be/0hQsKw3o4TM
Tatum isnt a shot blocker...
The italicized is a decent point, but Brown should be able to do the same thing in a few years.
Also, I think Lebron would have had to murder someone to get the 5th foul before the 4th quarter and he was gonna have to do something real egregious to foul out.
I think LeBron could've killed someone, either Kelly or Marcus, and not even gotten a foul called. After all it was a CAVS home game.
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like this next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz this sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
Tatum block highlight
https://youtu.be/0hQsKw3o4TM
College stats:
Tatum Blk 1.1 Stl 1.3 RB 7.3
Fultz Blk 1.2 Stl 1.6 RB 5.7
That's hilarious. TP!
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In a game like tonight I think Tatum would have helped more than Fultz. Both can create their own shots (which we needed in the 4th)
But Tatum can also rebound the ball/block shots... A few on Kyrie would have been huge... Cavs had an open lane in the 2nd half. We have zero shot blockers..this team cant move fwd like this next season
Also Tatum could have taken it to Lebron ... for those crucial 5th, 6th fouls
Not saying take Tatum over Fultz this sec... But Tatum defensive abilities due to frame/size adv is a bonus
Tatum block highlight
https://youtu.be/0hQsKw3o4TM
College stats:
Tatum Blk 1.1 Stl 1.3 RB 7.3
Fultz Blk 1.2 Stl 1.6 RB 5.7
That's hilarious. TP!
Yeah, Fultz is the same at Blocks and steals and only behind by a rebound and a half. I didn't include points and assists where Fultz was clearly better. You can't use stats to say another college player is better than Fultz. His stats are stellar!
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Has summer league sold you lol
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-Dick Vitale has said Tatum should go #1
Dick Vitale was right ;D
Fultz can't even get min during garbage time.
just spacing out...lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKFcaGa77VQ
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Tatum game 1 highlights vs 76ers (28pts). sick performance. you get to see something new from him every game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e588mGm2vVA
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
lol. some of these comments didnt age well
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
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A little humble pie all around. Pretty sure we could find more threads that aged about as well, though this one's pretty choice.
My recollection is that the reaction to Jaylen's pick was mixed, but more than 50% negative. Ainge picked another scrappy, athletic tweener who can't shoot!
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Oh nostalgia
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Yes.
Fultz "mentality" is out to lunch. Doesnt have alpha dog mentality. World talent but andrew wiggins type mentality
Tatum has a killer instincts
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My only question is why did you wait until now to bump this thread?
We knew the kid was a bum when he faked a shoulder injury to save face for screwing up his shot.
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
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they don't know what they're talking about.
If Danny Ainge took Tatum over Fultz me and thousands of other Celtics fans would hunt him down with pitchforks and fire and make him pay.
In other words, there is zero chance that Ainge drafts anyone over Fultz in this draft, letalone drafting Tatum over Fultz.
CBS and Vitale are just out of touch.
lol. some of these comments didnt age well
Thank god that I was dead wrong about Tatum. And Rozier, lol ;D.
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
I was all aboard the Jaylen hype train so I’d love to see some of those old threads.
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Ouch. I was all on the Fultz train, happy to admit that I'm a complete bozo
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Ouch. I was all on the Fultz train, happy to admit that I'm a complete bozo
It's funny because I was too, and I remember Celticsblog as a whole literally had a "Fultz Week" one random week in June before the Draft. It looked so obvious they'd keep #1 and pick Fultz. LOL. Glad it worked out the way it did though. 8)
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Ouch. I was all on the Fultz train, happy to admit that I'm a complete bozo
It's funny because I was too, and I remember Celticsblog as a whole literally had a "Fultz Week" one random week in June before the Draft. It looked so obvious they'd keep #1 and pick Fultz. LOL. Glad it worked out the way it did though. 8)
I remember that well (and I remember participating :P )
Fultz is Harden but he might put effort on defence!! That was a goodie
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Fultz actually looks pretty good e crept for his outside shot. He can penetrate with ease and dish.
If I were Coach Brown I’d give him some decent minutes 2nd game to mix things up. Can’t do worse than their other guards.
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
I was all aboard the Jaylen hype train so I’d love to see some of those old threads.
I just reread parts of the 2016 draft night thread. I had forgotten how many dunces post here. ;)
Here it is. Enjoy.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84900.420
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Slightly off topic but how does Tatum compare to Michael Porter?
Only triboy would go off topic on his own topic....lol
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Really funny reactions to drafting Yabusele. "Fat Sully Replacement" and "French Chucker"
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Ouch. I was all on the Fultz train, happy to admit that I'm a complete bozo
It's funny because I was too, and I remember Celticsblog as a whole literally had a "Fultz Week" one random week in June before the Draft. It looked so obvious they'd keep #1 and pick Fultz. LOL. Glad it worked out the way it did though. 8)
Back when i was salivating over a backcourt of IT4 and Markelle Fultz.
Boy what was I on....
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
I was all aboard the Jaylen hype train so I’d love to see some of those old threads.
I just reread parts of the 2016 draft night thread. I had forgotten how many dunces post here. ;)
Here it is. Enjoy.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84900.420
While I can't say I predicted how great Brown would turn out, I can proudly say that I was a fence sitter.
"Love the fact that people don't consider that Danny didn't try to get Butler. Sounds to me like they thought they had him and then the Bulls got cold feet. When he knew Bulls were going to have him overpay for Butler, he wouldn't do the deal, and when he knew the Sixers wouldn't overpay for the third pick, he took the guy that he really wanted. Simple as that. I'm withholding judgment until I know what Brown is made of."
Better than the large population of "the sky is falling" Debbie Downers that cried on the keyboard that night. Yeesh.
I understand that many (including myself) believed that the Celtics were getting Butler that night, but holy hell, we need a group therapy session for some guys on this board.
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I was totally sold on Fultz but quickly jumped to the Tatum bandwagon. When it comes to the draft I don't watch enough collage ball and no high school ball, so I just go by clips and what posts I read. I'll leave it to Danny andshis team. The year we snagged Brown I was happy but I wanted either Brown or Bender so I only had a 50% shot of maybe being right. You really have to wait on the rooks. See them in the playoffs etc. Tatum was a great pick. He's the vet rook, what else can you say.
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As far as Tatum goes, I can't say I was ecstatic about him, but I trusted Danny's judgment. Given all that's happened with Tatum, Brown, and Rozier since then, I think it's fair to say that Danny's rewarded my faith in him.
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As far as Tatum goes, I can't say I was ecstatic about him, but I trusted Danny's judgment. Given all that's happened with Tatum, Brown, and Rozier since then, I think it's fair to say that Danny's rewarded my faith in him.
I was all in on the draft Fultz train, but once I saw the Tatum highlight video...I became genuinely conflicted.
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As far as Tatum goes, I can't say I was ecstatic about him, but I trusted Danny's judgment. Given all that's happened with Tatum, Brown, and Rozier since then, I think it's fair to say that Danny's rewarded my faith in him.
I was all in on the draft Fultz train, but once I saw the Tatum highlight video...I became genuinely conflicted.
Same. Someone posted his highlights vs. Virginia
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May 2nd, 2018.
OP: Sell me drafting Tatum over Fultz.
Response: Done.
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The warning signs were there on Fultz all along missing half a college season, some guys just don't like getting off the hype train once they like a guy, even when it is going off the rails. Also, a lot of folks like going with what the experts or the NBA is marketing so they seem right.
I wanted Jackson, boy was I wrong!
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
I was all aboard the Jaylen hype train so I’d love to see some of those old threads.
I just reread parts of the 2016 draft night thread. I had forgotten how many dunces post here. ;)
Here it is. Enjoy.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84900.420
Wow, reading through that you can see the blog go through all 5 stages of grief (with extra emphasis on "anger")
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Fultz actually looks pretty good e crept for his outside shot. He can penetrate with ease and dish.
If I were Coach Brown I’d give him some decent minutes 2nd game to mix things up. Can’t do worse than their other guards.
Yeah, I'm reserving judgement on Fultz for now. The little bit that he has played, he's shown he still has 1st pick level talent. He's a smooth athlete who was able to get to the rim against NBA defense even without the threat of shooting at all. If he ever gets himself straight (physically, mentally, whatever) I can easily see him as an all star.
That said, man am I glad the C's drafted Tatum.
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Fultz actually looks pretty good e crept for his outside shot. He can penetrate with ease and dish.
If I were Coach Brown I’d give him some decent minutes 2nd game to mix things up. Can’t do worse than their other guards.
Yeah, I'm reserving judgement on Fultz for now. The little bit that he has played, he's shown he still has 1st pick level talent. He's a smooth athlete who was able to get to the rim against NBA defense even without the threat of shooting at all. If he ever gets himself straight (physically, mentally, whatever) I can easily see him as an all star.
That said, man am I glad the C's drafted Tatum.
I think what happens with fultz is largely irrelevant. DA got a future stud plus a draft pick, which is a home run no matter what. I'm not necessarily rooting against Fultz either.
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
I was all aboard the Jaylen hype train so I’d love to see some of those old threads.
I just reread parts of the 2016 draft night thread. I had forgotten how many dunces post here. ;)
Here it is. Enjoy.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84900.420
It's funny how people rewrite history in their minds. Lots of people were hating on the Brown pick but without the evidence, you'd get some revisionist history from many posters.
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I know you bumped your own thread triboy in order to toot your own horn, but you still deserve a tp. I am not totally sure you were calling for Tatum to absolutely be the #1 pick, but you certainly raised many good points as to why he should be considered over Fultz.
Fultz may end up being awesome, but I don’t think there is a Cs fan in existence who isn’t happy with the trade now.
Okay I just gave you TP triboy good call.
If I get bored maybe I'll resurrect a Jaylen Brown draft night thread. That one will be filled with a lot of yucks.
I was all aboard the Jaylen hype train so I’d love to see some of those old threads.
I just reread parts of the 2016 draft night thread. I had forgotten how many dunces post here. ;)
Here it is. Enjoy.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84900.420
It's funny how people rewrite history in their minds. Lots of people were hating on the Brown pick but without the evidence, you'd get some revisionist history from many posters.
I was pretty sad we didn't make the trade with the Sixers (Covington, Noel, 24, and 26 for 3), probably would have taken Bender, but was ok with Brown. I was really curious once Phoenix moved back up if the Celtics could have somehow made the Philly trade and then moved back up and still landed Brown. Now that would have been quite the draft.
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I'll readily admit I was not pro-Brown leading up to that draft or on draft night. I worried he was a guy with lots of physical tools but nothing in particular that he would be able to do well at the NBA level apart from having an NBA body. In the wrong situation, a guy like that becomes Terrence Williams.
If I remember correctly I was pro-Bender, and I still think he could be a good player and would have already looked better if he wasn't in the worst situation possible.
I also remember feeling that if we were going to take a guard / wing, Jamal Murray was the best bet.
Brown has improved so much in two years, it's astounding. Did not think it was possible he could become such a good shooter so quickly.
I was wrong on Tatum, too. Thought he was a Tobias Harris / Harrison Barnes type prospect. And he is in that category of player (in terms of body and playstyle), but he's obviously a far better prospect than either ever was. He's already a more valuable player than Harrison Barnes, and will probably surpass Harris next year. But with the Fultz trade, I thought we traded a guy who could become a Harden or Lillard type lead guard for a complementary swing scorer.
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I wanted Dunn and thought Jaylen was too much of a project
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I'll readily admit I was not pro-Brown leading up to that draft or on draft night.
If I remember correctly I was pro-Bender, and I still think he could be a good player and would have already looked better if he wasn't in the worst situation possible.
I also remember feeling that if we were going to take a guard / wing, Jamal Murray was the best bet.
Brown has improved so much in two years, it's astounding. Did not think it was possible he could become such a good shooter so quickly.
Both Brown and Tatum have amazed this season.
Brown couldn't shoot or do much with the ball and is now hitting 39% of his threes and has added a lot to his handle.
Tatum was supposed to be another Duke star who didn't pass, didn't defend, and was too in love with mid range pull ups. Instead he's been hyper efficient, moved the ball, and held up defensively as a rookie in 30 MPG.
So [dang] impressive from both players, credit to them.
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I'll readily admit I was not pro-Brown leading up to that draft or on draft night.
If I remember correctly I was pro-Bender, and I still think he could be a good player and would have already looked better if he wasn't in the worst situation possible.
I also remember feeling that if we were going to take a guard / wing, Jamal Murray was the best bet.
Brown has improved so much in two years, it's astounding. Did not think it was possible he could become such a good shooter so quickly.
Both Brown and Tatum have amazed this season.
Brown couldn't shoot or do much with the ball and is now hitting 39% of his threes and has added a lot to his handle.
Tatum was supposed to be another Duke star who didn't pass, didn't defend, and was too in love with mid range pull ups. Instead he's been hyper efficient, moved the ball, and held up defensively as a rookie in 30 MPG.
So [dang] impressive from both players, credit to them.
Tatum has been my favorite part of this NBA season, hands down.
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I think Tatum might be better than Harris now even PhoSita, just because he's more solid defensively and gets to the line more. Most of Harris's extra value comes from him shooting more (which is good as he's a good scorer). Once Tatum takes more of an offensive load and cuts out some of the dumb rookie turnovers as he feels out what he's capable of....
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I wanted Dunn and thought Jaylen was too much of a project
I was one of the few big Brown fans on here and wanted him at #3. I looked at him as a project, but that project sure is coming into form. I'm stilled thrilled with that pick.
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I was a Fultz guy. I was a Bender guy.
I liked both Tatum and Brown, but not nearly as much as I was infatuated with the potential of Fultz and Bender. I did like Brown's potential. His eurosteps, explosiveness, and ambidextrosity were all impressive. I didn't like Tatum as much, but I was convinced by guys on this forum to consider him a top 3 talent in his class.
I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
Tatum and Brown are special talents. This may be sacrilege to some, but I think they are the best players from their draft class and provide the Cs with the best potential to be a contender for a long time.
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I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
But it's a hell of a lot of fun, isn't it? ;)
Mike
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I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
But it's a hell of a lot of fun, isn't it? ;)
Mike
That's why I, once again, will be spending a few hours on youtube and a Word document breaking down this year's draft, projecting player's roles and abilities at the NBA level, and making wild guesses about their future.
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I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
But it's a hell of a lot of fun, isn't it? ;)
Mike
That's why I, once again, will be spending a few hours on youtube and a Word document breaking down this year's draft, projecting player's roles and abilities at the NBA level, and making wild guesses about their future.
Here is my only problem with armchair scouts. Many actually think they know what the heck they are talking about. It's okay to say I like this guy or that guy is this or that. But fans have neither the knowledge or the access to be able to make these kinds of decisions. Not even close.
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I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
But it's a hell of a lot of fun, isn't it? ;)
Mike
That's why I, once again, will be spending a few hours on youtube and a Word document breaking down this year's draft, projecting player's roles and abilities at the NBA level, and making wild guesses about their future.
Here is my only problem with armchair scouts. Many actually think they know what the heck they are talking about. It's okay to say I like this guy or that guy is this or that. But fans have neither the knowledge or the access to be able to make these kinds of decisions. Not even close.
I think that same logic and reasoning should apply TO everything on this blog then...
Even if people are connected to sources, at the end of the day, unless you're legitimately connected through a network of scouts, and teams staff, you're really just making a wild guess based on statistical and circumstantial evidence.
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I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
But it's a hell of a lot of fun, isn't it? ;)
Mike
That's why I, once again, will be spending a few hours on youtube and a Word document breaking down this year's draft, projecting player's roles and abilities at the NBA level, and making wild guesses about their future.
Here is my only problem with armchair scouts. Many actually think they know what the heck they are talking about. It's okay to say I like this guy or that guy is this or that. But fans have neither the knowledge or the access to be able to make these kinds of decisions. Not even close.
What's the point of sports if you can't live vicariously through the athletes, coaches, and GMs?
I'll argue that I know what I'm talking about all day long. I'll argue that I know better than the guy in the armchair next to me.
But down deep inside, in my more honest moments, I know other guys are better suited to make those decisions (except if you're a Kings' fan, sheesh).
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I now see that there are two problems (and probably more) with armchair scouts like myself.
1. We have no ability to interview the players to see their intelligence level, their passion, their drive, their personality, their work ethic, or the other things that make them them.
2. We can be sold on the propaganda of players. For instance, I was sold on Bender's height, shooting touch, and "hip flexibility." That's why I forecasted he would be one of the best players in his draft. Let's just say that, while those things can be helpful, they are not primary tools that make a player great. I was distracted by the propaganda machine.
But it's a hell of a lot of fun, isn't it? ;)
Mike
That's why I, once again, will be spending a few hours on youtube and a Word document breaking down this year's draft, projecting player's roles and abilities at the NBA level, and making wild guesses about their future.
Here is my only problem with armchair scouts. Many actually think they know what the heck they are talking about. It's okay to say I like this guy or that guy is this or that. But fans have neither the knowledge or the access to be able to make these kinds of decisions. Not even close.
Pro scouts and GM's miss these picks all the time as well. That's why the draft is such a crap shoot.
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There's lot of things that fans do have sufficient information on to argue about. This guy is better than that guy, this team will/would beat that team, that team is the greatest of all time, this team has the coolest uniforms, and on and on.
Drafting, on the other hand, is on a whole other level. Do teams miss? Of course they do. The hit is probably less than 30%. But that's not because GM's don't know what they're doing. It's because 70% of guys aren't NBA players.