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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: BE-Celtic on April 21, 2017, 07:29:04 AM
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Just a "Can't sleep in my bed" question that popped in my head.
He's a scorer, can rebound and I think he could be very usefull to the Celtics.
So let's say Memphis decides is open to discussions and want to take a new direction after a new season below expectations.
Would you trade for him ? What would you give ? Is he wirth a BKN pick and 1 or 2 fillers (Amir / Zeller / Bradley ?)
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Too old to justify giving up a Brooklyn pick for him.
Edit: Sorry, to add, 32 years old now. 33 years old next season.
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Gasol is a great player, and I would love him on the Celtics, but he is a veteran entering the back end of his prime. You don't give up a Nets pick for that.
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Not for a Brooklyn pick.
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Well, that's even better if we don't need a Brooklyn pick! :D
What would you give then ?
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Would you trade for him ? What would you give ? Is he wirth a BKN pick and 1 or 2 fillers (Amir / Zeller / Bradley ?)
1. Not worth a Brooklyn pick.
2. How is Bradley considered a "filler"?
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Would you trade for him ? What would you give ? Is he wirth a BKN pick and 1 or 2 fillers (Amir / Zeller / Bradley ?)
1. Not worth a Brooklyn pick.
2. How is Bradley considered a "filler"?
I was just giving examples. Many people said he should be traded. But yes, he is not a filler, didn't mean it like that
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Dunno depends if we can get Pau Gasol in FA if he opts out (I think throwing some more money on a one year deal would attract him to come here)
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No, this is the guy to get: Nikola Vučević.
I said it at the deadline and he wasn't dealt. I don't believe he would have cost us a lot compared to the PG or JB rumors.
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No 32 year old is worth a BK pick. He would be a perfect fit though and a great mentor to Zizic. If we got Hayward as a FA and Fultz as a draft pick Id maybe go as far as Bradley, Crowder and their pick back.
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I'd be reluctant to give a Brooklyn pick, but I'd consider it.
He is 32 (turned in January), but his game has improved every year without being based on physical aspects. He may have the highest BBIQ for a center in the game, a crafty passer like Sabonis or Divac, with 3 point range and a legit 7'1" size to close rebounds just due to his presence. He's never been a great rebounder because he's been forced to play outside for years.
I think he will age well, even better than Pau, who has been an ASG starter at 35 years old and last year averaged 16.5, 11, 4 and 2 blocks in a playoff team. Marc can keep his prime for three more seasons easily. With 32 years old, he's made 20 points, 6 rebounds and 4.5 assists per game, with .385 from deep. He'd be perfect to polish Zizic as a mentor.
I understand people refusing the deal, but I would do it depending on the real plan for our team, contend next 3-4 years or keep building pieces for a decade of possible contention.
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We pass on Cousins, but we take on an aging center with a troubling injury history?
Oy.
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We pass on Cousins, but we take on an aging center with a troubling injury history?
Oy.
But c'mon, hey, he's a high character guy AND he's easy to coach.
That means a lot more to Little Brad than having to deal with the Boogie Man. ;)
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We pass on Cousins, but we take on an aging center with a troubling injury history?
Oy.
lol...
Have ever, even for a moment, thought that Sacramento required a 2017 first back?
Oh no, that's right, you know more than ainge and the scouts and are just so much smarter.
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We pass on Cousins, but we take on an aging center with a troubling injury history?
Oy.
Just like EVERY other team except the Pelicans, Suns and Lakers (3 real winning organizations ::) ). So I guess people on this board are smarter than the teams running those other organizations? Remember we weren't the only one passing on him. There's a reason and it's been written by numerous writers many times.....
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We pass on Cousins, but we take on an aging center with a troubling injury history?
Oy.
But c'mon, hey, he's a high character guy AND he's easy to coach.
That means a lot more to Little Brad than having to deal with the Boogie Man. ;)
Yeah. He couldn't possibly be wrong about turning the Garden into Little Butler, could he?
LOL.
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This deserves to be bumped given all the reports that he is now open to a trade.
Personally, I feel we roll with Baynes and Ziziz and see if that is enough to compete. If this season falls apart in the playoffs, I would gladly give up an asset. Two years of a BARGAIN contract.
What say you?
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This deserves to be bumped given all the reports that he is now open to a trade.
Personally, I feel we roll with Baynes and Ziziz and see if that is enough to compete. If this season falls apart in the playoffs, I would gladly give up an asset. Two years of a BARGAIN contract.
What say you?
I would say that I'd love him but it's not a bargain contract. Given where the max is it's probably the right value for a player like Marc. To match salaries we'd have to give up a lot, realistically it's going to take one of our big three to match without giving up Brooklyn picks and that defeats the purpose.
I also think Al Horford is better suited to our team than Gasol, he can step further out on both ends and is just as good a passer.
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No I'd stick with Horford.
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This deserves to be bumped given all the reports that he is now open to a trade.
Personally, I feel we roll with Baynes and Ziziz and see if that is enough to compete. If this season falls apart in the playoffs, I would gladly give up an asset. Two years of a BARGAIN contract.
What say you?
I would say that I'd love him but it's not a bargain contract. Given where the max is it's probably the right value for a player like Marc. To match salaries we'd have to give up a lot, realistically it's going to take one of our big three to match without giving up Brooklyn picks and that defeats the purpose.
I also think Al Horford is better suited to our team than Gasol, he can step further out on both ends and is just as good a passer.
Al is a worse shooter than Gasol, and Gasol more than makes up for his weaker perimeter defense with his interior D and his better overall offensive game.
However, I do agree that the package required to get Marc wouldn't be a good one for us.
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This deserves to be bumped given all the reports that he is now open to a trade.
Personally, I feel we roll with Baynes and Ziziz and see if that is enough to compete. If this season falls apart in the playoffs, I would gladly give up an asset. Two years of a BARGAIN contract.
What say you?
I would say that I'd love him but it's not a bargain contract. Given where the max is it's probably the right value for a player like Marc. To match salaries we'd have to give up a lot, realistically it's going to take one of our big three to match without giving up Brooklyn picks and that defeats the purpose.
I also think Al Horford is better suited to our team than Gasol, he can step further out on both ends and is just as good a passer.
Al is a worse shooter than Gasol, and Gasol more than makes up for his weaker perimeter defense with his interior D and his better overall offensive game.
However, I do agree that the package required to get Marc wouldn't be a good one for us.
I like Horford and Gasol together. Horford can step out to the 3, is a great passer, while Gasol can defend the low post and hit a mid-range if that becomes the last option in an offensive set. As others have said, it all depends on the package the C's would have to give. No high picks, no Tatum or Brown....go from there...
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To match salaries we'd have to give up a lot
Has anyone even tried a hypothetical trade? We don't have expendable trade filler anymore. To start matching, we would need to begin with Crowder + Morris + Smart.
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This deserves to be bumped given all the reports that he is now open to a trade.
Personally, I feel we roll with Baynes and Ziziz and see if that is enough to compete. If this season falls apart in the playoffs, I would gladly give up an asset. Two years of a BARGAIN contract.
What say you?
I would say that I'd love him but it's not a bargain contract. Given where the max is it's probably the right value for a player like Marc. To match salaries we'd have to give up a lot, realistically it's going to take one of our big three to match without giving up Brooklyn picks and that defeats the purpose.
I also think Al Horford is better suited to our team than Gasol, he can step further out on both ends and is just as good a passer.
Al is a worse shooter than Gasol, and Gasol more than makes up for his weaker perimeter defense with his interior D and his better overall offensive game.
However, I do agree that the package required to get Marc wouldn't be a good one for us.
I like Horford and Gasol together. Horford can step out to the 3, is a great passer, while Gasol can defend the low post and hit a mid-range if that becomes the last option in an offensive set. As others have said, it all depends on the package the C's would have to give. No high picks, no Tatum or Brown....go from there...
You seem to be selling Gasol's shooting short. He shot 38.8% from the 3 on 3.6 3PA per, while Horford shot 35.5% on the exact number of attempts.
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Depends , i could see him on the Celtics .
i d keep Al though.
all these max money guys are pricing themselves out of a ring.
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I think I'd rather keep Horford, but if the salary difference would allow us to keep Smart rather than let him walk next summer (save a few million/yr), then I would certainly be up for a 1 for 1 swap.
If we are going to sign Smart anyway or if Mem would require additional assets, I would pass.
As Dino mentioned, there is no conceivable scenario where we can keep Al and not trade away multiple very good players on value contracts.
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No way you'd give up Al.
I was thinking a deal around Zizic, Rozier, Marcus, and a bluechip pick...
This is a two year windows situation. The big risk being letting go a Marcus, who I think is on the verge...
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We pass on Cousins, but we take on an aging center with a troubling injury history?
Oy.
Not exactly. You failed to mention that we passed on a center with a troubling psyche history.
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No way you'd give up Al.
I was thinking a deal around Zizic, Rozier, Marcus, and a bluechip pick...
This is a two year windows situation. The big risk being letting go a Marcus, who I think is on the verge...
Agreed. Swapping Al for Marc doesn't make us much better (if it made us better at all), and he's a year and a half older. I'd like to pair them if we don;t have to give up too much, but trading Al for him is a non-starter
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Marc salary matching alone is a nightmare and he's getting old. Pau is already tol old although he can ball on the Spurs
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meh
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To match salaries we'd have to give up a lot
Has anyone even tried a hypothetical trade? We don't have expendable trade filler anymore. To start matching, we would need to begin with Crowder + Morris + Smart.
Crowder/Morris/Smart or Baynes/Zizic or Rozier would get it done salary-wise (although we'd have to wait until I think December 15th to trade Baynes). If Tatum and/or Brown show signs of stepping up before the trade deadline, a Crowder/Morris/Baynes/Zizic or Rozier/Memphis 1st package could help us a lot
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Giving up a prime asset for an aging Marc Gasol would be equivalent to Brooklyn giving up prime assets for an aging Pierce & Garnett. A dumb move.
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Not a fan of the pairing of Gasol and Horford. I'd pass. I'm more interested in Green for us than Gasol.
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Giving up a prime asset for an aging Marc Gasol would be equivalent to Brooklyn giving up prime assets for an aging Pierce & Garnett. A dumb move.
Except the Nets didn't give up a prime asset for the aging vets. Nor did they give up two. They gave three with the option of a fourth.
I think Gasol is too "old school" for this modern NBA we are at right now. He's a great 5, but can't really play alongside Horford.
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
He's hardly just a "highly paid low post slow center". He's making ~$22 million a year, which is about what AB should get next summer, is a good playmaker, and can stretch the floor with the 3 point shot he added last year. He's also a great interior defender, which helps nullify one of Al's weaknesses.
Obviously he's not worth trading a Brooklyn pick for, but for some of our lesser assets he could be a great addition
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
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Love Gasol but he is getting up there in age and big salary
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
the modern 5 is fast, and is a perimeter defending. He is the opposite. His contract is bad too. He's old. Everything about gasol is the opposite of what we want
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
the modern 5 is fast, and is a perimeter defending. He is the opposite. His contract is bad too. He's old. Everything about gasol is the opposite of what we want
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, he is a good player, but I certainly wouldn't want Al and Gasol on the floor at the same time for a prolonged period of time.. If we are moving Al to PF (we shouldn't), then we need a Nerlens Noel type center who is quick and can switch on everything.
Also, I shudder to think about how crazy it would be to trade Crowder, Morris, AND Smart for Gasol :o. Those guys provide enormous depth and versatility - something that Gasol does not. Like I said, if the difference in Horford's and Gasol's future salary determined whether we kept Smart or let him walk, then I would trade Al; otherwise, we should just roll with what we have.
On a related note, I think people are really underrating what Morris has to offer this team. We actually had to give up an additional asset, along with AB (I know, the extra year) to acquire him. He is a very good player and shouldn't just be lumped into trades as an 'extra'.
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is coming of an all-star season, is one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and operates offensively either inside or out (shot nearly 40% from 3's with 4.6 apg). This post is a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU4f8xXRjvM
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is coming of an all-star season, is one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and operates offensively either inside or out (shot nearly 40% from 3's with 4.6 apg). This post is a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU4f8xXRjvM
yeah because he was the only legit option on his team.
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
By several years, do you mean 18 months?
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is coming of an all-star season, is one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and operates offensively either inside or out (shot nearly 40% from 3's with 4.6 apg). This post is a joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU4f8xXRjvM
yeah because he was the only legit option on his team.
It's fairly obvious that you haven't seen Memphis much, if at all. So if he were the only legit option on the team, which I guess you haven't heard of a guy called Conley, wouldn't that make his ability to have the Grizz in the playoffs the last 6 seasons even more noteworthy?
In Gasol you're talking about a player that since the 2013 season has achieved the following:
3 all-star selections
1 defensive player of the year award
2 all-NBA teams (including a 1st team selection)
This is even better when you realize that 2 of those seasons he was limited with injuries.
I also don't think we have to worry much about him aging poorly. He's never been athletically reliant and he's always been a very cerebral player (great defense yet only commits 2.3 fouls per game) with a very high skill-set. Not to mention that brother Pau, who is 5 years older, is still a very productive NBA player. Marc just had career highs in points, assists, 3pt%, so unless he completely falls apart, he'll perform at a very high level over the remainder of his contract (3 years).
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
By several years, do you mean 18 months?
Math not being my best subject - YES.
I'd still take Big Al.
Every day and TWICE on Sundays. This mean I'd choose Big Al TWICE today.
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
By several years, do you mean 18 months?
Math not being my best subject - YES.
I'd still take Big Al.
Every day and TWICE on Sundays. This mean I'd choose Big Al TWICE today.
You may take him, but that doesn't mean he's better. I love Horford, but I'm not sure he would've ever been on an all-star in the West. That's just the reality of it. Gasol is simply a superior player to Horford.
You could see Gasol vs Horford here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHt139FS6jI
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
By several years, do you mean 18 months?
Math not being my best subject - YES.
I'd still take Big Al.
Every day and TWICE on Sundays. This mean I'd choose Big Al TWICE today.
You may take him, but that doesn't mean he's better. I love Horford, but I'm not sure he would've ever been on an all-star in the West. That's just the reality of it. Gasol is simply a superior player to Horford.
You could see Gasol vs Horford here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHt139FS6jI
If Marc's your binkie, then sure.
Defensively he may be better but it's not that glaring, at least to me.
We've already been to the ECF with Big Al and I'd rather stand pat.
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
By several years, do you mean 18 months?
Math not being my best subject - YES.
I'd still take Big Al.
Every day and TWICE on Sundays. This mean I'd choose Big Al TWICE today.
You may take him, but that doesn't mean he's better. I love Horford, but I'm not sure he would've ever been on an all-star in the West. That's just the reality of it. Gasol is simply a superior player to Horford.
You could see Gasol vs Horford here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHt139FS6jI
If Marc's your binkie, then sure.
Defensively he may be better but it's not that glaring, at least to me.
We've already been to the ECF with Big Al and I'd rather stand pat.
I like both Gasol and Horford, but Gasol is the superior player now and considering the limited age difference it'll should remain that way for at least the life of Gasol's contract.
We made the ECF with Horford, but Horford really struggles vs Thompson. This has been the case since the Hawks days. That said, Gasol's 7'1" height and strength make him a nightmare for Thompson. It's such an issue that the Cavs usually send a help defender when Gasol gets a low post touch.
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I'd deal for Marc if we're sending out Al in the deal. I have strong concerns about playing them together, but it'd just be easier to match salary without giving up all of our depth.
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If it involved us losing Big Al? Nope.
Big Al is nearly everything that Marc is already - and he's several years younger.
Getting The Haymaker from Utah will open up Big Al's game (and everyone else's) even more.
I love Marc's game but no thanks.
By several years, do you mean 18 months?
Math not being my best subject - YES.
I'd still take Big Al.
Every day and TWICE on Sundays. This mean I'd choose Big Al TWICE today.
You may take him, but that doesn't mean he's better. I love Horford, but I'm not sure he would've ever been on an all-star in the West. That's just the reality of it. Gasol is simply a superior player to Horford.
You could see Gasol vs Horford here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHt139FS6jI
If Marc's your binkie, then sure.
Defensively he may be better but it's not that glaring, at least to me.
We've already been to the ECF with Big Al and I'd rather stand pat.
I like both Gasol and Horford, but Gasol is the superior player now and considering the limited age difference it'll should remain that way for at least the life of Gasol's contract.
We made the ECF with Horford, but Horford really struggles vs Thompson. This has been the case since the Hawks days. That said, Gasol's 7'1" height and strength make him a nightmare for Thompson. It's such an issue that the Cavs usually send a help defender when Gasol gets a low post touch.
Marc's the Real Deal.
But I'd still take Big Al.
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I'd deal for Marc if we're sending out Al in the deal. I have strong concerns about playing them together, but it'd just be easier to match salary without giving up all of our depth.
Agree. But Grizz have no reason to trade for Horford. Has to be 3 team deal.
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Gasol would be an upgrade from Horford.
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Gasol would be an upgrade from Horford.
In other news, grass is green.
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
the modern 5 is fast, and is a perimeter defending. He is the opposite. His contract is bad too. He's old. Everything about gasol is the opposite of what we want
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, he is a good player, but I certainly wouldn't want Al and Gasol on the floor at the same time for a prolonged period of time.. If we are moving Al to PF (we shouldn't), then we need a Nerlens Noel type center who is quick and can switch on everything.
Also, I shudder to think about how crazy it would be to trade Crowder, Morris, AND Smart for Gasol :o. Those guys provide enormous depth and versatility - something that Gasol does not. Like I said, if the difference in Horford's and Gasol's future salary determined whether we kept Smart or let him walk, then I would trade Al; otherwise, we should just roll with what we have.
On a related note, I think people are really underrating what Morris has to offer this team. We actually had to give up an additional asset, along with AB (I know, the extra year) to acquire him. He is a very good player and shouldn't just be lumped into trades as an 'extra'.
That's the beauty of it - you don't have to. Al and Marc played 32 and 34 minutes last year. They could both average those minutes while only sharing the court for 18 mpg. The other 30 minutes you'd have a fresh star big on at all times.
As for Gasol and Al fitting together, is Gasol much slower than Amir? He's a better interior defender and I don't think he's any slower at this point. And unlike Amir, he's an actual a threat on offense, meaning that teams can't just go small against us and force a lineup change without getting killed on defense.
I wouldn't make the deal you listed (Crowder+Morris+Smart), but if Tatum and/or Brown show that they're ready to break out before the trade deadline then Crowder+Morris+Baynes+Rozier or Zizic would strengthen our frontcourt without a big downgrade to our wings. There would still be questions to answer, like who defends Lebron and who rebounds, but Brown and/or Tatum stepping up may answer those questions before the deal
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No.
I would not trade for Marc Gasol under any circumstances EXCEPT in a case where we are getting him at an ridiculous bargain price in a trade that is dramatically one sided in our favour.
Marc Gasol is too much like Al Horford - jack of all trades/master of none, significant injury history, too old for the rest of our core, can score but isn't a dominant scorer, weak rebounder, etc.
Never been the greatest fan of Gasol's game - I've always seen him as the poor man's Pau in all honesty.
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
the modern 5 is fast, and is a perimeter defending. He is the opposite. His contract is bad too. He's old. Everything about gasol is the opposite of what we want
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, he is a good player, but I certainly wouldn't want Al and Gasol on the floor at the same time for a prolonged period of time.. If we are moving Al to PF (we shouldn't), then we need a Nerlens Noel type center who is quick and can switch on everything.
Also, I shudder to think about how crazy it would be to trade Crowder, Morris, AND Smart for Gasol :o. Those guys provide enormous depth and versatility - something that Gasol does not. Like I said, if the difference in Horford's and Gasol's future salary determined whether we kept Smart or let him walk, then I would trade Al; otherwise, we should just roll with what we have.
On a related note, I think people are really underrating what Morris has to offer this team. We actually had to give up an additional asset, along with AB (I know, the extra year) to acquire him. He is a very good player and shouldn't just be lumped into trades as an 'extra'.
I think some people are massively (and I mean MASSIVELY) overrating what Morris has to offer.
He's a solid and versatile defender, which I think is his biggest strength. Other then that he's a streaky and inconsistent scorer (who is just as likely to shoot you in to a hole as he is shoot you out of one), he's a poor decision maker who tends to make bad shot decisions, his an inconsistent and generally mediocre three point shooter, he's a weak rebounder, and the Morris Brothers hardly scream "high quality person".
I think Morris could give us a lot of value as a streaky scorer and versatile defender off the bench - kind of like what we had from James Posey and Michael Pietrus in the past. If anybody is expecting him to start at PF and give our starting lineup a massive boost, then I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
Truthfully, I don't think Morris is any better overall then Kelly Olynyy as an overall player.
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
the modern 5 is fast, and is a perimeter defending. He is the opposite. His contract is bad too. He's old. Everything about gasol is the opposite of what we want
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, he is a good player, but I certainly wouldn't want Al and Gasol on the floor at the same time for a prolonged period of time.. If we are moving Al to PF (we shouldn't), then we need a Nerlens Noel type center who is quick and can switch on everything.
Also, I shudder to think about how crazy it would be to trade Crowder, Morris, AND Smart for Gasol :o. Those guys provide enormous depth and versatility - something that Gasol does not. Like I said, if the difference in Horford's and Gasol's future salary determined whether we kept Smart or let him walk, then I would trade Al; otherwise, we should just roll with what we have.
On a related note, I think people are really underrating what Morris has to offer this team. We actually had to give up an additional asset, along with AB (I know, the extra year) to acquire him. He is a very good player and shouldn't just be lumped into trades as an 'extra'.
I think some people are massively (and I mean MASSIVELY) overrating what Morris has to offer.
He's a solid and versatile defender, which I think is his biggest strength. Other then that he's a streaky and inconsistent scorer (who is just as likely to shoot you in to a hole as he is shoot you out of one), he's a poor decision maker who tends to make bad shot decisions, his an inconsistent and generally mediocre three point shooter, he's a weak rebounder, and the Morris Brothers hardly scream "high quality person".
I think Morris could give us a lot of value as a streaky scorer and versatile defender off the bench - kind of like what we had from James Posey and Michael Pietrus in the past. If anybody is expecting him to start at PF and give our starting lineup a massive boost, then I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
Truthfully, I don't think Morris is any better overall then Kelly Olynyk as an overall player.
Agree with this fully.
So you like starting small with Crowder at the 4, or would you throw Tatum in the deep end; a bit like the Bucks did with Thon Maker? Or what else?
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The league is moving away from high paid low post slow centers, and you're suggesting we get a highly paid low post slow center. Gasol is a joke
Gasol is slow but not a joke or a dinosaur. He often operates from the high post, is one of the best passing big men in the league, and is a strong interior defender. Basically he's Al Horford at the 5 spot. I agree that the salary matching we'd have to give up makes it hard to figure out a good deal, but he'd make us a lot better inside.
the modern 5 is fast, and is a perimeter defending. He is the opposite. His contract is bad too. He's old. Everything about gasol is the opposite of what we want
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, he is a good player, but I certainly wouldn't want Al and Gasol on the floor at the same time for a prolonged period of time.. If we are moving Al to PF (we shouldn't), then we need a Nerlens Noel type center who is quick and can switch on everything.
Also, I shudder to think about how crazy it would be to trade Crowder, Morris, AND Smart for Gasol :o. Those guys provide enormous depth and versatility - something that Gasol does not. Like I said, if the difference in Horford's and Gasol's future salary determined whether we kept Smart or let him walk, then I would trade Al; otherwise, we should just roll with what we have.
On a related note, I think people are really underrating what Morris has to offer this team. We actually had to give up an additional asset, along with AB (I know, the extra year) to acquire him. He is a very good player and shouldn't just be lumped into trades as an 'extra'.
I think some people are massively (and I mean MASSIVELY) overrating what Morris has to offer.
He's a solid and versatile defender, which I think is his biggest strength. Other then that he's a streaky and inconsistent scorer (who is just as likely to shoot you in to a hole as he is shoot you out of one), he's a poor decision maker who tends to make bad shot decisions, his an inconsistent and generally mediocre three point shooter, he's a weak rebounder, and the Morris Brothers hardly scream "high quality person".
I think Morris could give us a lot of value as a streaky scorer and versatile defender off the bench - kind of like what we had from James Posey and Michael Pietrus in the past. If anybody is expecting him to start at PF and give our starting lineup a massive boost, then I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
Truthfully, I don't think Morris is any better overall then Kelly Olynyy as an overall player.
Sorry to continue with the off topic stuff, but I have to agree 100% with this. Pietrus is a great comparison. Morris won't be on Posey's level, and Olynyk is a better player than Morris.
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I'm not sure we get any better by trading for Marc Gasol this year. Let's just say that Gasol and Al are a wash, even if Gasol is slightly better you have to build him into this system, something that we've just spent the better part of a year doing with Horford. So doing a straight up trade isn't worth it.
Doing Crowder, Morris ands Smart takes away all of our wing depth. Now we would be relying on rookies past Hayward. I don't think that helps us short term or long term.
You could keep Smart and replace him with Yab and Rozier and it makes a bit more sense but we are still thin on the wing.
Next summer we will almost certainly be a tax team so we won't be able to do sign and trades and we won't have the contracts to make a decent trade.
Overall it just seems like a high risk, low reward scenario to trade for him. I don't see why we would do it.