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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on April 19, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
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plays 6 min first half 3 offensive rebounds 2 defensive
2 pts but two fouls
but those three offensive boards in 6 minutes
darassafuka 37-- real madrid 36
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darussafaka loses to real madrid in first of 5 playoff- 83-75
zizic played 13 minutes scored 5 points and had 3 offensive and 3 defensive boards-one monster dunk on a cut-leading rebounder for darussafaka with 6
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darussafaka loses to real madrid in first of 5 playoff- 83-75
zizic played 13 minutes scored 5 points and had 3 offensive and 3 defensive boards-one monster dunk on a cut-leading rebounder for darussafaka with 6
lol how do you lead the team in rebounds in 13 minutes?
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Can we add him to our playoff roster? :'(
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
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darussafaka loses to real madrid in first of 5 playoff- 83-75
zizic played 13 minutes scored 5 points and had 3 offensive and 3 defensive boards-one monster dunk on a cut-leading rebounder for darussafaka with 6
lol how do you lead the team in rebounds in 13 minutes?
Not sure if it's true but I heard that league kind of leave rookies on the bench in favor of vets no matter if they are the better option.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
I agree on both counts, perhaps salary for another max + the arrival of Yabu and Zizic...I'm still making the comparison that Zizic kinda reminds me of Valucinus
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
I agree on both counts, perhaps salary for another max + the arrival of Yabu and Zizic...I'm still making the comparison that Zizic kinda reminds me of Valucinus
Zizic looks more agile than JV and capable of guarding the perimeter.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20-year old's minutes next season.
I agree on both counts, perhaps salary for another max + the arrival of Yabu and Zizic...I'm still making the comparison that Zizic kinda reminds me of Valuciunas
I think that in 2 years Žižić will be a better that JV.
I project him as a good defensive center by then, which Valenciunas, now in his prime, isn't. Žižić has a lower center of gravity, therefore he moves quicker, also just by my eye test his pound of muscle is worth more than JVs pound. He doesn't have that Lithuanian touch gene, (they seem to be draining shots in their minds while still in their mother's bellies), but that can be tightened.
You guys will love him, humble, competitive, hard worker, great frame, and off course he rebounds like he wants to take the air out of a basketball 100 times in a row. All that for a slavers 4-year contract.
Žižić is not JV, no similarities, except that they are white European centers.
The closest comparison IMO is Steven Adams, no-nonsense physical center.
Less dirty (good way dirty), I guess cause Steve played rugby and learned the little annoying tricks there, but Ante adds vertical spacing dimension (plays above the rim more, catches lobs).
Yes - that's why we don't do a quick fix move for a half-done overpaid vet big.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
Yes, but who is there to acquire? I don't see any obvious good fits for our roster.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
Yes, but who is there to acquire? I don't see any obvious good fits for our roster.
Durant (if he decided to opt out), Griffin, Hayward and Millsap (if anything else fails) will be a great fit for this team.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
Yes, but who is there to acquire? I don't see any obvious good fits for our roster.
Durant (if he decided to opt out), Griffin, Hayward and Millsap (if anything else fails) will be a great fit for this team.
I won't mind to have the "if anything else fails" Millsap option as FA.
That would be a better Hawk team with a brilliant young team to develop the next 4 years (Smart, Brown, Rozier, Zizic, Yabusele, Nader, 2017 & 2018 picks).
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
Yes, but who is there to acquire? I don't see any obvious good fits for our roster.
Durant (if he decided to opt out), Griffin, Hayward and Millsap (if anything else fails) will be a great fit for this team.
I could definitely see that happening if the Warriors lose to the Spurs
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https://youtu.be/bHke63H8ru4
Tomasz was busy. iićs highlights
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If he cant' get more than 13 minutes, why would he play more for us?
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And he's only 20 years old!
He will be a monster soon.
"The Croatian Crusher"
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20-year old's minutes next season.
I agree on both counts, perhaps salary for another max + the arrival of Yabu and Zizic...I'm still making the comparison that Zizic kinda reminds me of Valuciunas
I think that in 2 years iić will be a better that JV.
I project him as a good defensive center by then, which Valenciunas, now in his prime, isn't. iić has a lower center of gravity, therefore he moves quicker, also just by my eye test his pound of muscle is worth more than JVs pound. He doesn't have that Lithuanian touch gene, (they seem to be draining shots in their minds while still in their mother's bellies), but that can be tightened.
You guys will love him, humble, competitive, hard worker, great frame, and off course he rebounds like he wants to take the air out of a basketball 100 times in a row. All that for a slavers 4-year contract.
iić is not JV, no similarities, except that they are white European centers.
The closest comparison IMO is Steven Adams, no-nonsense physical center.
Less dirty (good way dirty), I guess cause Steve played rugby and learned the little annoying tricks there, but Ante adds vertical spacing dimension (plays above the rim more, catches lobs).
Yes - that's why we don't do a quick fix move for a half-done overpaid vet big.
He looks like Anderson Varejeao to me. Not buying the hype on Zizic. He's much slower than people think. Speed doesn't translate overseas typically. Rebounding does however.
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If he cant' get more than 13 minutes, why would he play more for us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGQow8yk5yo&t=13s
Their team is already deep in the playoffs. Blatt opted for more experienced ones.
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I'd take my chances with him vs. Robin Lopez.
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I'd take my chances with him vs. Robin Lopez.
If Lopez can shoot like he did last night on a consistent basis then I'd take Lopez. He kept Al in check the whole game. Doing the same against Zizic would be a piece of cake.
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I'd take my chances with him vs. Robin Lopez.
If Lopez can shoot like he did last night on a consistent basis then I'd take Lopez. He kept Al in check the whole game. Doing the same against Zizic would be a piece of cake.
Zizic have shown flashes of hitting deep 2s. Not to mention he's more agile than Lopez and can cover people in the perimeter. Let's not forget Lopez is turning 30 while Zizic is only 20. Kid can only improve to be better while Lopez may have already reached his peak.
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Ouch!
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Good competitive game 2. Currently both Žižić and Dončić on the floor Darusafaka leads 34:28. Ante had a beautiful right spin and dunk! Then soon followed it with a half court one hander driving slam. Total of 10 pts and 8 boards ATM.
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BTW Dončić played 6 mins so far. 0/3 fgs.
6 Asissts, 0 tos, 4 rebs.
There is always that last BKN pick...
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what type of series is this?
how are their playoffs structured?
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Zizic 13 and 8 in 17 minutes.
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1/8 finals. Best of 5. Real leads 1:0.
Now they play 2nd game in a row at home, Madrid.
Then series goes to Istanbul for 2.
4 series winners go to Final four, single game elimination tournament - in Istanbul.
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
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Ante's highlights vs Real Madrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJCZb1vyUFU
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Ante's highlights vs Real Madrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJCZb1vyUFU
Skills are probably above average for a big at this stage of his career. Two things:
1. He won't be able to drive like this in the NBA.
2. Will clearly have to figure defensive 3 seconds.
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I like how he takes up space down low and does not fear contact. Finally a guy, who knows how to create space with his elbows.
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
Which one? There were at least two impressive ones.
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Good hands
No fear of standing in there with nads .......are you watching Kelly ? ..... :-X
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Nice highlights but hard to really get a good take on him until he is playing NBA minutes. He does seem to be slowly improving his touch around the rim, and isn't afraid to take it to the bucket.
Where does he project for us next year? 1st big off the bench if we are lucky?
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
Which one? There were at least two impressive ones.
At 1:08.
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Zizic gonna be taking Kelly's #41 next season.
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
Which one? There were at least two impressive ones.
The one that he takes the ball and just posterizes everyone in his way!
But this guy looks promising. Could be a great rotation player. He has a little "nasty" in him, something this team lacks imo.
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Ante's highlights vs Real Madrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJCZb1vyUFU
Its even more impressive to look up the names of the bigs he he playing against in the highlights. All players in their late 20s who at least sniffed the NBA. Ayon, Reyes, Hunter and Thompkins. I suspect Zizic earns a 15-18 min a game rotational spot next year and especially gets minutes against teams with true centers like the Bulls, Nets and Raptors.
On a side note I wouldn't mind seeing the Cs give Anthony Randolph another shot in the NBA. He is still only 28 and has played well on REAL Madrid averaged 10pt 5rb 1blk in 20min. Replacing Jerebko with Randolph would bring an interesting length dynamic to the 2nd unit.
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BTW Dončić played 6 mins so far. 0/3 fgs.
6 Asissts, 0 tos, 4 rebs.
There is always that last BKN pick...
Well I wasn't really impressed with Doncic, especially with all the hype(rewatched the whole game once I heard Zizic performed). I mean he's very skilled and he's polished but he just doesn't seem to have that kind of killer instinct that greats in the nba have (who are compared to Doncic by some hypebeasts, don't really think we should take him if Ayton and Bamba are ever available assuming we get another high draft pick, though he'll at least be a good player). However I was impressed with Zizic especially him being a late first, we might've gotten a steal (it's looking like he can be a solid rotational player next year in the nba).
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Ante's highlights vs Real Madrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJCZb1vyUFU
Its even more impressive to look up the names of the bigs he he playing against in the highlights. All players in their late 20s who at least sniffed the NBA. Ayon, Reyes, Hunter and Thompkins. I suspect Zizic earns a 15-18 min a game rotational spot next year and especially gets minutes against teams with true centers like the Bulls, Nets and Raptors.
On a side note I wouldn't mind seeing the Cs give Anthony Randolph another shot in the NBA. He is still only 28 and has played well on REAL Madrid averaged 10pt 5rb 1blk in 20min. Replacing Jerebko with Randolph would bring an interesting length dynamic to the 2nd unit.
TP. Could definitely see Randolph take the Gerald Green route and find his way back to the league. You could argue he was a bit ahead of his time and that his game fits better into the current NBA than the one he was trying to break into years back.
From the clips I've seen of him in Euroleague he has an edge to how he carries himself on the court now. Used to look pretty sleepy on the court IMO.
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
Yes, but who is there to acquire? I don't see any obvious good fits for our roster.
Durant (if he decided to opt out), Griffin, Hayward and Millsap (if anything else fails) will be a great fit for this team.
I wasn't even considering Durant because why would he come here a year later? Griffin seems injury-prone and is too much of a repeat of Horford to invest so much money in. Also, personally I just don't enjoy watching him play.
Hayward wouldn't be a bad addition at all and I think the Celtics are going to pursue him. The issue is he's not a superstar and we would be paying him like one. We already did that with Horford and it will create issues down the road to have two guys who aren't superstars making the max on your team. It may not matter since there's really no reason for him not to re-sign in Utah. I was hoping a couple years ago that Utah would continue to be bad but unfortunately for us they did a good job team-building.
The problem with Millsap is he's just too old. By October he will be 32.5 years old and I just don't want to give someone that age a big deal. Maybe if the team were closer to being a real contender?
I don't mind Ibaka but he doesn't actually help our rebounding much so he's not a great fit. Noel would be ideal, I think the Celtics will play the hometown card and try to get him but being a restricted FA you're definitely going to have to overpay.
Anyway, that's why I'm not very optimistic about this FA class. First off, there aren't any real superstars available that would actually come here. Second, the remaining ones aren't obvious fits for this team but would definitely be making the new max.
It stinks because this was their last year to get someone in under the cap before Isaiah and Bradley get raises. If they don't get someone in there before that, they will have wasted the opportunity. They could always trade, but obviously that would cost assets. Also, as we've seen already this year Eastern teams with potentially available guys are not keen on trading their stars within the Conference to a team on the rise like Boston. They're going to make Boston overpay.
Fortunately, Smart at this point doesn't look like he will demand a huge deal next year! So there's a positive for not drafting a star. *Whew*
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And this is why Danny is reluctant to add bigs this season. While this current core is getting exposed in the playoffs big time, he would provide needs for this team next season. Adding guys like Ibaka or Noel would only steal his development minutes.
I think Danny was reluctant to add anyone during the season because he wants to have to option to offer a max contract this coming summer. I doubt he's worried about a 20 year old's minutes next season.
Yes, but who is there to acquire? I don't see any obvious good fits for our roster.
Durant (if he decided to opt out), Griffin, Hayward and Millsap (if anything else fails) will be a great fit for this team.
I wasn't even considering Durant because why would he come here a year later? Griffin seems injury-prone and is too much of a repeat of Horford to invest so much money in. Also, personally I just don't enjoy watching him play.
Hayward wouldn't be a bad addition at all and I think the Celtics are going to pursue him. The issue is he's not a superstar and we would be paying him like one. We already did that with Horford and it will create issues down the road to have two guys who aren't superstars making the max on your team. It may not matter since there's really no reason for him not to re-sign in Utah. I was hoping a couple years ago that Utah would continue to be bad but unfortunately for us they did a good job team-building.
The problem with Millsap is he's just too old. By October he will be 32.5 years old and I just don't want to give someone that age a big deal. Maybe if the team were closer to being a real contender?
I don't mind Ibaka but he doesn't actually help our rebounding much so he's not a great fit. Noel would be ideal, I think the Celtics will play the hometown card and try to get him but being a restricted FA you're definitely going to have to overpay.
Anyway, that's why I'm not very optimistic about this FA class. First off, there aren't any real superstars available that would actually come here. Second, the remaining ones aren't obvious fits for this team but would definitely be making the new max.
It stinks because this was their last year to get someone in under the cap before Isaiah and Bradley get raises. If they don't get someone in there before that, they will have wasted the opportunity. They could always trade, but obviously that would cost assets. Also, as we've seen already this year Eastern teams with potentially available guys are not keen on trading their stars within the Conference to a team on the rise like Boston. They're going to make Boston overpay.
Fortunately, Smart at this point doesn't look like he will demand a huge deal next year! So there's a positive for not drafting a star. *Whew*
Disagree on Hayward. He is a star and if he hits free agency almost any team with cap space will be offering him a max contract. He holds his own in defense, creates his own shot, can score inside and out, knock down threes or post up, handle the ball, and is now a (well-deserved) All Star. He is entering his peak and would be a huge addition to this team.
Is he LeBron or Durant? Of course not, but he is a star in this league and if we can sign him we need to go for it IMO.
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
Which one? There were at least two impressive ones.
The one that he takes the ball and just posterizes everyone in his way!
But this guy looks promising. Could be a great rotation player. He has a little "nasty" in him, something this team lacks imo.
Here it is by itself:
https://streamable.com/8peq7
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Ante's highlights vs Real Madrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJCZb1vyUFU
Skills are probably above average for a big at this stage of his career. Two things:
1. He won't be able to drive like this in the NBA.
2. Will clearly have to figure defensive 3 seconds.
Yep.
I don't know how much time he'll be able to get next season but I think Horford is going to love having him around.
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Nice highlights but hard to really get a good take on him until he is playing NBA minutes. He does seem to be slowly improving his touch around the rim, and isn't afraid to take it to the bucket.
Where does he project for us next year? 1st big off the bench if we are lucky?
This is similar to what all the experts said about Giannis Atentoukumpo
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
Which one? There were at least two impressive ones.
The one that he takes the ball and just posterizes everyone in his way!
But this guy looks promising. Could be a great rotation player. He has a little "nasty" in him, something this team lacks imo.
Here it is by itself:
https://streamable.com/8peq7
Yes, this. What-a-dunk 8)
I really hope that Zizic will follow the success of Nurkic and Jokic. We need our own Balkan Beast!
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I watched the whole game and it is worth noting that his overall defense in the 1st half (I think he played 16 mins) was not convincing. He does body up with both hands in the air and he boxes out regularly. However, his reads were slow, and therefore he lacked a step. He is not an elite type of athlete to recover quickly, he is a big afterall. His effort wasn't the issuse. I believe reading the defense is something that improves with reps as long as defensive fundamentals are sound. He is not a true shot blocker, more of a shot challenger. For a 20 year old he just needs 3 more high level seasons to become a very usefull player. He will produce points regardless, on rolls and putbacks. It is just that the defense will determine his minutes and career.
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In 45 minutes, Game 3 of the best of five series will be played in Istanbul. Darόşşafaka stole the homecourt advantage with an away win in Madrid.
Best part is Turkish broadcaster has a legal HD stream on web:
http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trtspor
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TP for the stream.
Mike
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Zizic ends up with 17/8 in 24 minutes with the win 8)
Against the best team in Europe. The kid is impressive.
That dunk. Impressive.
Which one? There were at least two impressive ones.
The one that he takes the ball and just posterizes everyone in his way!
But this guy looks promising. Could be a great rotation player. He has a little "nasty" in him, something this team lacks imo.
Here it is by itself:
https://streamable.com/8peq7
Yes, this. What-a-dunk 8)
I really hope that Zizic will follow the success of Nurkic and Jokic. We need our own Balkan Beast!
I was considerably more impressed with the spin move from the elbow.
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Disagree on Hayward. He is a star and if he hits free agency almost any team with cap space will be offering him a max contract. He holds his own in defense, creates his own shot, can score inside and out, knock down threes or post up, handle the ball, and is now a (well-deserved) All Star. He is entering his peak and would be a huge addition to this team.
Is he LeBron or Durant? Of course not, but he is a star in this league and if we can sign him we need to go for it IMO.
This is likely accurate. It was also accurate for Al Horford last season, and he's clearly not worth his salary slot, even if he's a nice player overall.
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In 45 minutes, Game 3 of the best of five series will be played in Istanbul. Darόşşafaka stole the homecourt advantage with an away win in Madrid.
Best part is Turkish broadcaster has a legal HD stream on web:
http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trtspor
could not open this.
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Try this one, works for me :
http://www.hdtvler1.net/trt-spor/
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Disagree on Hayward. He is a star and if he hits free agency almost any team with cap space will be offering him a max contract. He holds his own in defense, creates his own shot, can score inside and out, knock down threes or post up, handle the ball, and is now a (well-deserved) All Star. He is entering his peak and would be a huge addition to this team.
Is he LeBron or Durant? Of course not, but he is a star in this league and if we can sign him we need to go for it IMO.
This is likely accurate. It was also accurate for Al Horford last season, and he's clearly not worth his salary slot, even if he's a nice player overall.
Yup, this is pretty spot on imo. The hope is one of the picks turns into a star. At this point, we'll be waiting a while.
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Try this one, works for me :
http://www.hdtvler1.net/trt-spor/
TP, thanks!
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I had to stop watching, they are worse than dleague players at feeding the bigs! Terrible! Zicic is open [dang] near every possession!! He would feast with Isaiah!
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zizic 7/8 and 6/7 ft 20 pts 5 rebounds
was thinking that all game they really can't pick and roll -its like they freeze him out -down low he either scores or gets fouled-
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He looks good. 20 points (7/8), 5 Rebounds, 2 Blocks in 28 minutes is good production. I wish he'd grabbed more rebounds,
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He looks good. 20 points (7/8), 5 Rebounds, 2 Blocks in 28 minutes is good production. I wish he'd grabbed more rebounds,
Irony.
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Where is the star trek teleporter?
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Can someone post his game highlight video ?
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Ante Zizic Highlights 20 Pts, 5 Reb, 2 Blk vs Rea
: http://youtu.be/kode-f_pt3s
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TP THX!
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He keeps getting better every game. Shows quicker feet on defense. Starting to develop as a passer. Body control. The only decline seems to be his free throw shooting, maybe due to small sample size.
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https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/857564880093814784
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
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I really believe Celtic fans are gonna be pleasantly surprised by him next year.
I'm looking forward to a possible Fultz/Jackson - Jaylen Brown - Zizic core going forward plus 2018 pick.
(provided DA doesnt make a splashy trade on draft day)
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I really believe Celtic fans are gonna be pleasantly surprised by him next year.
I'm looking forward to a possible Fultz/Jackson - Jaylen Brown - Zizic core going forward plus 2018 pick.
(provided DA doesnt make a splashy trade on draft day)
I hope so. It sounds like a lot of people here are hyping him up a lot, though. I'm optimistic for him as a player but I also think everyone should prepare themselves for it to take a few seasons before he's a rotation guy.
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I really believe Celtic fans are gonna be pleasantly surprised by him next year.
I'm looking forward to a possible Fultz/Jackson - Jaylen Brown - Zizic core going forward plus 2018 pick.
(provided DA doesnt make a splashy trade on draft day)
I hope so. It sounds like a lot of people here are hyping him up a lot, though. I'm optimistic for him as a player but I also think everyone should prepare themselves for it to take a few seasons before he's a rotation guy.
Yeah, I'm excited to have him but I'm taking a cautious approach. Zizic is physically mature but it may take a few seasons for him to refine his game. I think he's going to be surprised by the speed of the game and he's going to be a foul magnet to start.
Still, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he'd be a top 12 pick this year so it's going to be fun to see how these new, highly-rated player start to compete in camp. It's like opening presents on Christmas.
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
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Game 5 starts in 3:45 hours. Rooting for him to enter the Final 4.
I hope he gives a dangerous Real team a strong dose of Antedote! :D
My nickname proposal.
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Game 5 starts in 3:45 hours. Rooting for him to enter the Final 4.
I hope he gives a dangerous Real team a strong dose of Antedote! :D
My nickname proposal.
lol
TP for The Antedote!
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Game 5 starts in 3:45 hours. Rooting for him to enter the Final 4.
I hope he gives a dangerous Real team a strong dose of Antedote! :D
My nickname proposal.
lol
TP for The Antedote!
Tnx, I thought about it, something short, catchy, it also involves his name and most of all, we are hoping that he is going to cure our rebounding difficulties.
The Antedote!
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
I don't think the physical stats matter as much here. There are a few dozen guys in the NBA with similar sizes to Al but whose games don't come anywhere close to his. Al was known coming out of college as a mobile weak side defender with a 12-15 foot jump shot and having an NBA body.
I don't see Zizic with the same game. He's got a significantly bigger frame but doesn't move side-to-side nearly as well as Al, nor does he have the same hops. He's not as aware defensively. He's actually much more similar to Ty Zeller in both size and game (though without Z's alligator arms and with significantly more upside). Zizic doesn't seem to see the court as well as Al (few big men do) and his game is much more of a low post one. Still, it doesn't hurt to learn from a guy like Horford - a locker room professional with a well rounded game - even if that's not the way he'll ultimately play.
If Zizic comes in and plays 20 minutes a game, grabs 5-6 boards and can play some decent defense next season then I'll be quite pleased with his progress.
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
I don't think the physical stats matter as much here. There are a few dozen guys in the NBA with similar sizes to Al but whose games don't come anywhere close to his. Al was known coming out of college as a mobile weak side defender with a 12-15 foot jump shot and having an NBA body.
I don't see Zizic with the same game. He's got a significantly bigger frame but doesn't move side-to-side nearly as well as Al, nor does he have the same hops. He's not as aware defensively. He's actually much more similar to Ty Zeller in both size and game (though without Z's alligator arms and with significantly more upside). Zizic doesn't seem to see the court as well as Al (few big men do) and his game is much more of a low post one. Still, it doesn't hurt to learn from a guy like Horford - a locker room professional with a well rounded game - even if that's not the way he'll ultimately play.
If Zizic comes in and plays 20 minutes a game, grabs 5-6 boards and can play some decent defense next season then I'll be quite pleased with his progress.
Fair enough. We both agree that Al is going to be a good mentor/role model for the kid.
When I watch Zizic play, the last guy I think of is Zeller. Here the physical differences are important. Zizic appears much stronger, has longer arms, much better standing reach, etc.
I see Perk, with more offensive upside.
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
I can just about ASSURE you that Al does not currently have a 35.5" vertical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would be SHOCKED IF he had a 30" vertical currently!!!
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
Apologies I was impressed by Zizic going up for rebounds (seemed like he was a pretty good jumper, but he's only jumping like 2.5 inches higher than a 15 year old Chinese teenager in HK that still has baby fat in no step vertical and only an inch higher in max vertical)...
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Here is a passage from Horford's 2007 pre-draft workout from nbadraft.net:
6. Al Horford 6-10 244 PF Florida Jr.
What he did well: As expected, Horford was by far the strongest player at the combine, benching 185 lbs a staggering 20 times. He stood close to 610 and weighed a rock-solid 244 lbs. Horford also possessed a 35 vertical and a wingspan of over 70.
What he struggled with: His sprint time of 3.37 was average at best and his second to last lane agility of 12.15 raises some eyebrows. Despite those slow times, this workout showcased his strength, length, and athleticism and should only help his draft stock.
So, unless Al's vertical has miraculously remained the same throughout his entire career, it is fair to say that it has decreased a few inches.
The second paragraph is most interesting as he showed to have horrible lane agility. This is something he clearly worked on. From the eye test, Zizic appears to cover ground well from side to side and obviously possesses a great motor. This should help him get minutes right away on the Cs.
No matter what, Al is a great mentor for any young big because of his hard work and professionalism.
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Game 5 starts in 3:45 hours. Rooting for him to enter the Final 4.
I hope he gives a dangerous Real team a strong dose of Antedote! :D
My nickname proposal.
lol
TP for The Antedote!
Tnx, I thought about it, something short, catchy, it also involves his name and most of all, we are hoping that he is going to cure our rebounding difficulties.
The Antedote!
Game 4 starts now.
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Game 5 starts in 3:45 hours. Rooting for him to enter the Final 4.
I hope he gives a dangerous Real team a strong dose of Antedote! :D
My nickname proposal.
lol
TP for The Antedote!
Tnx, I thought about it, something short, catchy, it also involves his name and most of all, we are hoping that he is going to cure our rebounding difficulties.
The Antedote!
Game 4 starts now.
Does TRT carry it?
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Maybe this is recency bias but Zizic kind of looks like a Robin Lopez type with a better touch around the rim, no?
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Maybe this is recency bias but Zizic kind of looks like a Robin Lopez type with a better touch around the rim, no?
I find him considerably more skilled already. Lopez is a banger with hands of stone.
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
If you got Zizic's measurements from a draft site, then they're from when he was 18. He went to Euro camp at 18, but he didn't go at 19 the year he was drafted and now he's 20, so he may be 7' now. I believe that the news media refers to him as 7' but they tend do that for guys 6'11 too.
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Euro camp 2016 he measured 6'11.5" in shoes per DE.
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Euro camp 2016 he measured 6'11.5" in shoes per DE.
My bad, I was sure he didn't go last summer. I knew he came for the draft but I thought that was it. I thought we worked him out in Europe because he couldn't get to America do do any workouts. Maybe it was Bender that didn't go to Euro camp.
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when porzingis came over he marveled at training facilities
porzingis started to fill out and added muscle
i have no idea what a 7 footer should be working on to increase vertical or lateral
maybe trainers are cautious over knees rather than pushing for vertical
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
If you got Zizic's measurements from a draft site, then they're from when he was 18. He went to Euro camp at 18, but he didn't go at 19 the year he was drafted and now he's 20, so he may be 7' now. I believe that the news media refers to him as 7' but they tend do that for guys 6'11 too.
He may have gotten taller, not that I have heard anything. But he was at last years EUROCAMP in June 2016 when he was 19 and was measured there.
http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/201586/adidas-eurocamp-announces-2016-player-roster.html (http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/201586/adidas-eurocamp-announces-2016-player-roster.html)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/)
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Thanks, Emmette. That pass in particular was what caused me to say how his passing skills seemed to be improving. He is maturing rapidly as a player. Really excited about him coming to Boston. He will make a perfect back up to Al Horford. His game reminds me of Al's, especially in the low post. Obviously does not have the court awareness or outside range of Al, yet. But what a great prototype for him to get training under. They physically very similar: Long arms. Not much spring, move similarly. As much as I have enjoyed this season, and hope we continue deep into the playoffs, I can't wait for next year's team, with guys like Zizic, Yabu and our top draft pick joining the fold. Maybe even a max FA. Wow.
Zizic has way more nasty and he's got quite some more bounce than Al, they don't strike me as similar. Also Zizic is like 7'0 while Al is like 6'10 (iirc Zizic has a 9 foot plus standing reach so yeah they aren't really similar)
Height differential: 1" (Al is 6'10", Zizic is 6'11"). Pretty close
Wing span: 7'1" (Al) v. 7'2.5" (Zizic). Pretty close
Bounce: 31"/35.5" All v. 25"/27" Zizic: You are in fantasy land saying Zizic has quite some more bounce.
Standing reach: 8'11" Al v. 9'3" Zizic: I was surprised Zizic has that much more standing reach, but it's negated by his poor jumping ability relative to Al.
Look, I didn't say they were the same player. My initial comparison to Zizic was Perk in terms of his build, his nastiness, even his gate on the court. I think Zizic is a slightly better athlete than Perk in his youth, and will have far more offensive development, but you get the gist.
Al is a good role model for Zizic because he will help him develop more of an outside game, and become a point center, which is what Brad Stevens offense dictates. Stevens loves to run the offense from the center position at the high post. The above measurements only confirm that the two have similar builds, being long relative to their height, having a post up game, being able to score with either hand. Zizic will likely be a better rebounder than Al, and his standing reach is impressive, especially defending the low block, and makes up for his lack of bounce.
Apologies I was impressed by Zizic going up for rebounds (seemed like he was a pretty good jumper, but he's only jumping like 2.5 inches higher than a 15 year old Chinese teenager in HK that still has baby fat in no step vertical and only an inch higher in max vertical)...
Standing reach is an important measurement. You can calculate many things using standing reach but among them is "No step reach" and "Max Reach". In the DX database there are guards/small forwards that have a higher no-step reach/max-reach than many high rebounding/blocking 4's and 5's.
My point is that it is easier, quicker, and more effective to snatch a rebound/block a shot using your length. Bending the knees and spending the time to "out-jump" an opponent will cost you valuable time and hurt your timing for the rebound/block.
Example, Robin Lopez has a 7'5'' wingspan and a 9'5'' standing reach(anything 9'5'' and/ or above is the ultimate in standing reaches....very rare), he is not particularly athletic at all under 30'' max vertical after coming out of college and under a 27'' no step vertical out of college...not now. Besides being 260lbs and possessing elite length, Lopez does not have a skill or athletic ability that separates himself from anyone on our team. Yet even when boxed out/bodies up Lopez is dangerous for a rebound/tip in/slap out(one handed rebound-kickout) whenever he is in close proximity to the rim or in the paint.
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