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Title: Starters game #3
Post by: KGBirdBias on April 19, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
It's time for Stevens to give the Bulls some new looks and take them out their comfort zone. Playoffs are about adjustments.

I would go smaller and quicker and turn the Lopez advantage into a disadvantage. Get a quicker lineup on the floor and let your athleticism take over. Johnson isn't doing anything on offense or defense. Let's speed the game up because DWade, Mirotic, Lopez are not going to want to run all game.

IT
AB
Brown
Crowder
Horford

Keep up the running by bringing in Rozier, Green and Smart quicker. Bigger teams hate small team and small teams hate bigger teams.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: celtics2030 on April 19, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: footey on April 19, 2017, 12:00:03 PM
Rebounds?
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Green-18 on April 19, 2017, 12:04:02 PM
Honestly I think Jonas would probably make sense to start.  It sucks that we even need to talk about this option but Jonas has a lot of defensive versatility.  His shot has been a lost cause since the broken nose but the truth is that nobody is making shots in this series.  He is one of the few players in our front court that can impact both ends of the court.  I would take a chance and hope that he can play well with the starting lineup like he did last postseason. 
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: jambr380 on April 19, 2017, 12:05:08 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

Whatevs...

Anyway, Zeller may once again be out there with Horford in the starting line-up. I am not sure what is up with Amir, but he is not himself. He seemed like the perfect type of player for playoff basketball. The vet minimum is looking more likely than the room exception for Amir this offseason.

Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: celtics2030 on April 19, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

Whatevs...

Anyway, Zeller may once again be out there with Horford in the starting line-up. I am not sure what is up with Amir, but he is not himself. He seemed like the perfect type of player for playoff basketball. The vet minimum is looking more likely than the room exception for Amir this offseason.

Jaylen is lost, he makes dumb dumb decisions on defense. HE is not made to be in a starting lineup right now.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: manl_lui on April 19, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
I agree, at this point, down 0-2, I am still optimistic that we can win the series, but we're gonna have to make some more adjustments

I think Zeller or at least Jerebko should get the start to add some versatility. Brown isn't playing well so far in the playoffs, so I don't mind see more of his minutes go to some more experienced players.

I am unsure about Smart starting though, I am still biased for Smart but it's not like he's gonna fix the offensive issues that Bradley is kinda going through.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: CoachBo on April 19, 2017, 12:12:49 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

He's been really, really bad in the first two games, especially on the defensive end.

Cannot afford to start him.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Green-18 on April 19, 2017, 12:17:29 PM
I agree, at this point, down 0-2, I am still optimistic that we can win the series, but we're gonna have to make some more adjustments

I think Zeller or at least Jerebko should get the start to add some versatility. Brown isn't playing well so far in the playoffs, so I don't mind see more of his minutes go to some more experienced players.

I am unsure about Smart starting though, I am still biased for Smart but it's not like he's gonna fix the offensive issues that Bradley is kinda going through.

My argument for Jonas is based on the fact that he is probably the only front court player who can impact both ends of the court if things go right.  Will he hit open shots?  I have no idea but if he does then our team will be much better suited to compete in THIS series.  I trust Jonas to handle his defensive responsibilities and play with purpose on that end of the court. 

It's just sad that nobody else was able to step up.  I wish I didn't even need to think twice about starting Jonas.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 19, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
I want Zeller to start over Amir.

I don't know what he has to offer that would be better than Amir's but it's a different look. At the very least, he'll run the floor, put Mirotic and Lopez to at least a little bit more work.

Maybe start Marcus?
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Tr1boy on April 19, 2017, 12:29:21 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

What do you expect? He is a rookie
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: manl_lui on April 19, 2017, 12:34:36 PM
I agree, at this point, down 0-2, I am still optimistic that we can win the series, but we're gonna have to make some more adjustments

I think Zeller or at least Jerebko should get the start to add some versatility. Brown isn't playing well so far in the playoffs, so I don't mind see more of his minutes go to some more experienced players.

I am unsure about Smart starting though, I am still biased for Smart but it's not like he's gonna fix the offensive issues that Bradley is kinda going through.

My argument for Jonas is based on the fact that he is probably the only front court player who can impact both ends of the court if things go right.  Will he hit open shots?  I have no idea but if he does then our team will be much better suited to compete in THIS series.  I trust Jonas to handle his defensive responsibilities and play with purpose on that end of the court. 

It's just sad that nobody else was able to step up.  I wish I didn't even need to think twice about starting Jonas.

right, just like how nobody really expected Jerebko to contribute in that Atlanta series last year and he came up big! To be fair, he's average or below average depending on your argument, but he's more or less like Smart when it comes to energy...he makes one great play and that can carry him for the rest of the game...and really to be fair, i think that's what we need right now, is some good old hustle energy plays.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on April 19, 2017, 12:41:44 PM
I agree, at this point, down 0-2, I am still optimistic that we can win the series, but we're gonna have to make some more adjustments

I think Zeller or at least Jerebko should get the start to add some versatility. Brown isn't playing well so far in the playoffs, so I don't mind see more of his minutes go to some more experienced players.

I am unsure about Smart starting though, I am still biased for Smart but it's not like he's gonna fix the offensive issues that Bradley is kinda going through.

My argument for Jonas is based on the fact that he is probably the only front court player who can impact both ends of the court if things go right.  Will he hit open shots?  I have no idea but if he does then our team will be much better suited to compete in THIS series.  I trust Jonas to handle his defensive responsibilities and play with purpose on that end of the court. 

It's just sad that nobody else was able to step up.  I wish I didn't even need to think twice about starting Jonas.

right, just like how nobody really expected Jerebko to contribute in that Atlanta series last year and he came up big! To be fair, he's average or below average depending on your argument, but he's more or less like Smart when it comes to energy...he makes one great play and that can carry him for the rest of the game...and really to be fair, i think that's what we need right now, is some good old hustle energy plays.
I agree JJ should play and so should Green. Bring in Amir when Lopez goes to the bench.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Green-18 on April 19, 2017, 12:45:58 PM
I agree, at this point, down 0-2, I am still optimistic that we can win the series, but we're gonna have to make some more adjustments

I think Zeller or at least Jerebko should get the start to add some versatility. Brown isn't playing well so far in the playoffs, so I don't mind see more of his minutes go to some more experienced players.

I am unsure about Smart starting though, I am still biased for Smart but it's not like he's gonna fix the offensive issues that Bradley is kinda going through.

My argument for Jonas is based on the fact that he is probably the only front court player who can impact both ends of the court if things go right.  Will he hit open shots?  I have no idea but if he does then our team will be much better suited to compete in THIS series.  I trust Jonas to handle his defensive responsibilities and play with purpose on that end of the court. 

It's just sad that nobody else was able to step up.  I wish I didn't even need to think twice about starting Jonas.

right, just like how nobody really expected Jerebko to contribute in that Atlanta series last year and he came up big! To be fair, he's average or below average depending on your argument, but he's more or less like Smart when it comes to energy...he makes one great play and that can carry him for the rest of the game...and really to be fair, i think that's what we need right now, is some good old hustle energy plays.
I agree JJ should play and so should Green. Bring in Amir when Lopez goes to the bench.

It's nice to see that we are all in agreement!  The fact of the matter is at least Jonas has a small sample size of contributing in the playoffs.  It would be odd for Brad to not give him a chance because it worked in the past.  We need some sort of spark that can give the rest of this team some confidence. 
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: __ramonezy__ on April 19, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
Not  sure the starting lineup need to change. Im more concerned with our rotations. The biggest issue is who will score apart from IT... because the Bulls have the players to make him very inefficient. We need our own versions of Lopez and Portis
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: gift on April 19, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Honestly I think Jonas would probably make sense to start.  It sucks that we even need to talk about this option but Jonas has a lot of defensive versatility.  His shot has been a lost cause since the broken nose but the truth is that nobody is making shots in this series.  He is one of the few players in our front court that can impact both ends of the court.  I would take a chance and hope that he can play well with the starting lineup like he did last postseason.

I might start Zeller and then make a quick move for Jerebko if Lopez gets in foul trouble. Zeller is probably the better match with Lopez, Jerebko probably matches up better against the bench.

Amir can get some rest for the next round.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: BE-Celtic on April 19, 2017, 01:11:24 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

Dumb is a bit of a hard word but I agree he still does big defensive mistakes. I think he broke our rythm yesterday. I can get why you start him but honestly, if you wanna change, put Smart instead. He deserved it, he played well, with his guts and can defend the 3. He will help rebounding and hustling. Try that if you want some change
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: jakeopp on April 19, 2017, 01:13:34 PM
I think it's pretty obvious where Jaylen is going to spend the rest of the playoffs, the bench.

Brad gave him 9 minutes yesterday & in that time he made mistakes on defense and fired up a pair of horrible bricks from the 3pt line, at a time in the game when we needed to just slow the game down and focus on ball movement & getting some shots in the paint.

The kid isn't fixing any of our problems in this series, and contrary to poplar belief he's not a good NBA player at all right now.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: OldSchoolDude on April 19, 2017, 01:15:50 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

He's been really, really bad in the first two games, especially on the defensive end.

Cannot afford to start him.

I agree about Brown's play so far, but I'd still be inclined to start him and play him real minutes.  Let him play through the mistakes.  I know it won't happen but it's just what I'd like to see.  I think if anyone believed we had a chance to beat the Cav's they don't think so anymore.   We are going to make a lot of changes to the team in the next 2-3 years and despite his rookie growing pains, Brown looks like a keeper.  We need to get him minutes.  I thought we would beat Chicago in 5 games, 6 at worst.  Now I want to see us start to develop some of the talent we've been hording.   I say give real minutes to Brown and Rozier, let the kids really feel some playoff ball.  If we loose we loose, so be it.  We're not winning a title this year anyway.  Maybe even give Mickey some run.  There is a really good chance we don't keep him, so maybe take one last look before we release him to free up money for free agency.   
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: KGBirdBias on April 19, 2017, 01:35:07 PM
We have to let Jaylen play through the fire like Rozier did last year. That's the only way you see what they're worth. I would tell him, don't worry about your offense, we need your defensive ability, hustle and rebounding. Focus only on that and when you get a garbage basket that's even better.

Smart to me sets a tone.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 19, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
we need players who are threats to shoot or drive. Thomas is our only one.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: furball on April 19, 2017, 02:26:16 PM
I would start Jaylen because during the season he was at his best and the team was at it's best when he was starting.  It's worth a shot.  Crowder has been trash in this series so maybe switch them.  Or bring Bradley off the bench as that was the effective line up they used (with Jaylen in for Bradley when he was hurt) during the season. 
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Green-18 on April 19, 2017, 02:32:13 PM
I guess the best argument for Jaylen is the fact that he would be playing with our best players right from the start.  Let's be honest, our team wasn't playing well in either game before Jaylen entered.  I don't know what the answer is but Jaylen certainly has the ability to impact the game if he gets off to a good start.  I bet it's incredibly difficult to play well under pressure when you know that one or two mistakes will result in getting benched.  Starting Jaylen isn't my #1 choice but I can certainly understand the logic in why some people would want to see it. 
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: iadera on April 19, 2017, 02:33:30 PM
I don't think bench players would change a lot with becoming starters. We all know who our best players (starters) are and that's not an issue. We have to find our ubuntu, focus, to gather ourselves and die for every ball, cause that's the way this team plays all year long and this is how we can still sweep the Bulls (if we don't count these 2 losses ;)).
I truly expect this to happen. Not the sweep, but the change in a way how we react as a team on every possesion, every ball, every rebound. It's still all on us. This is how we play...Forgett about the seed. Let's show the Bulls who really are!
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: RJ87 on April 19, 2017, 02:34:19 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

This. He keeps getting pulled because he keeps making boneheaded mistakes - particularly on defense. This isn't the time to try to let him "play through it".

I'd go with IT-Smart-Crowder-JJ-Horford but my guts says it'll be IT-AB-Smart-Crowder-Horford.... Have to inject some mental toughness into that starting lineup.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: OldSchoolDude on April 19, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

This. He keeps getting pulled because he keeps making boneheaded mistakes - particularly on defense. This isn't the time to try to let him "play through it".

I'd go with IT-Smart-Crowder-JJ-Horford but my guts says it'll be IT-AB-Smart-Crowder-Horford.... Have to inject some mental toughness into that starting lineup.

He got pulled after like two minutes and didn't return until garbage time.  So clearly other people are making boneheaded mistakes and they're all vets.  That clip of Rondo putting the moves on KO is all over the internet, but he got to play through it.   Really Brown hasn't gotten enough court time to be even remotely considered a reason for the loss so maybe some other people need to be yanked.   It has been pointed out that the Celtics have played some of their best ball with JB in the starting lineup and AB coming off the bench. Not starting Brown and playing him less minutes then he played even at the start of the season goes against the game plan that we used to finish the season strong and take the #1 seed.   I don't think the playoffs are the time to drop a wining formula for what clearly doesn't work.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: OHCeltic on April 19, 2017, 06:40:14 PM
IT                            Rozier
Brown                     Bradley
Crowder                  Smart
Horford                    Green
Zeller                       
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: jpotter33 on April 19, 2017, 06:46:36 PM
I'd like to see JJ inserted for Amir. That gives us a bit more toughness, defensive versatility, and shooting in the starting lineup.

I also think playing Brown with the starters actually utilizes him better, along with giving us more size defensively.

So I'd like to see:

IT
Brown
Crowder
JJ
Horford

Smart
Bradley
KO

Maybe throw Green in there for a bit for his shooting and scoring. But Amir is toast and just isn't helpful in this series. It's crazy that Brad has neglected going to JJ so far this series.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Csfan1984 on April 19, 2017, 06:46:58 PM
Not  sure the starting lineup need to change. Im more concerned with our rotations. The biggest issue is who will score apart from IT... because the Bulls have the players to make him very inefficient. We need our own versions of Lopez and Portis
+1 the rotation is the issue more than who starts
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Dannys Chipotle Guy on April 19, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
Not  sure the starting lineup need to change. Im more concerned with our rotations. The biggest issue is who will score apart from IT... because the Bulls have the players to make him very inefficient. We need our own versions of Lopez and Portis
yup, we need an efficient 20 points from someone.

Bradley and Crowder are the guys who should provide it, but theyve gone awol.

Kelly doesnt seem to have the mental toughness to do it in a playoff game.

Perhaps Rozier or Green can pull a game out of their ass here.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: JaylenBrown7 on April 19, 2017, 06:54:18 PM
start zeller
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: MBunge on April 19, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
I think it's pretty obvious where Jaylen is going to spend the rest of the playoffs, the bench.

Brad gave him 9 minutes yesterday & in that time he made mistakes on defense and fired up a pair of horrible bricks from the 3pt line, at a time in the game when we needed to just slow the game down and focus on ball movement & getting some shots in the paint.

The kid isn't fixing any of our problems in this series, and contrary to poplar belief he's not a good NBA player at all right now.

Meanwhile, Jae, Avery, Al and IT all played over 32 minutes and averaged a -18 point differential between them.

Let's not make Jaylen into the new KO around here, the whipping boy people complain about even when other players are performing much, MUCH worse.

Mike
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: mctyson on April 19, 2017, 07:14:38 PM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: JaylenBrown7 on April 19, 2017, 07:16:48 PM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?
amir is soft and so is kelly. Zeller actually went at rolo last night. watch a game once in a while maybe
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: mctyson on April 19, 2017, 07:21:48 PM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?
amir is soft and so is kelly. Zeller actually went at rolo last night. watch a game once in a while maybe

Hahaha OK.

I was at the game last night and your big bad tough not soft Tyler Zeller played 8 mins.  He also barely played in the other 30+ games I was at this year.  His is basically a notch above Jordan Mickey on the depth chart.

Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: JaylenBrown7 on April 19, 2017, 07:24:32 PM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?
amir is soft and so is kelly. Zeller actually went at rolo last night. watch a game once in a while maybe

Hahaha OK.

I was at the game last night and your big bad tough not soft Tyler Zeller played 8 mins.  He also barely played in the other 30+ games I was at this year.  His is basically a notch above Jordan Mickey on the depth chart.
HAhAH OK.

Kelly and amir are soft

HAhahha

gotta keep the lineups the same to lose the series, right babe?

HAHA OK.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: 2short on April 19, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Here is one thing that is troubling for me
We are altering our game plan and possibly the starters for a team that barely made playoffs.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: mctyson on April 19, 2017, 08:22:45 PM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?
amir is soft and so is kelly. Zeller actually went at rolo last night. watch a game once in a while maybe

Hahaha OK.

I was at the game last night and your big bad tough not soft Tyler Zeller played 8 mins.  He also barely played in the other 30+ games I was at this year.  His is basically a notch above Jordan Mickey on the depth chart.
HAhAH OK.

Kelly and amir are soft

HAhahha

gotta keep the lineups the same to lose the series, right babe?

HAHA OK.

You say Kelly and Amir are soft, then say replace them with Tyler Zeller.  Think about that.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on April 19, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
**Edit: Swapped amir back in over KO

Purely experimental and interesting lineup. I'm clearly not a coach, just a cb fan/poster

Starters                             
IT         
Bradley
Jerebko
Johnson
Horford


Bench
-----------
Smart
Green
Crowder
Olynyk
Zeller


1.We clearly rely on nobody but Crowder for the Sf spot whether he is having a good game or not. I think keeping his starting status unchangeable will be more of a negative then a positive in this current situation. If we have to start IT& AB, we need a Surge off the bench and Smart's surge is on the densive end. (this would work if Big AL could step up )

2. I'd like to think Zeller  & Olynyk can  keep the rebounding decent  against their 2nd unit (Don't think it's wise for Zeller to start but do agree he needs to be on Lopez at some point of the game)

3. Green has enough experience (whether playoff or not) that he NEEDS to be playing after this last game. I understand he's volatile and purely hit or miss.

4., Jerebko or Zelelr should drop minutes if we gotta throw Rozier in for possible ball penetration and kickouts.

3. IMO Rozier presence on the court surged a few runs whether it was because of him or not. At least he attempted to  penetrate. Soon as he looked warmed up he was taken out. Hes more use  than Brown is as  of this second. (I liked Rozier and Smart together)

ALSO, Someone needs to tell Al Horford he's the 2nd best player on this team. He was just watching KO do his thing like he still had Milsap!
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: PickNRoll on April 19, 2017, 09:02:21 PM
Crowder has been awful.  Very disappointing as he was probably our most consistent player all year.  Smart is the only guy who appears to have any b@lls at this point.  We can't change who we are.  Just a bad matchup against a big, grindy team.  First time all year that I actually miss Sully.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on April 19, 2017, 09:23:01 PM
This bulls team isn't very talented. Their just exploiting our deficiencies better than we are with their shooting woes.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 19, 2017, 09:24:07 PM
Quote
Here is one thing that is troubling for me
We are altering our game plan and possibly the starters for a team that barely made playoffs.

They beat us both playoff games.  Doing the same thing and expecting different results is not wise.  They may have barely made the playoffs but they are doing well against their draw (us).   The playoffs is its own season, what happened in the regular season does not matter.   Pretty sure CLE didn't want to play them and made sure we got the one seed to avoid CHI in the first round.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: KGBirdBias on April 19, 2017, 11:36:52 PM
Here is one thing that is troubling for me
We are altering our game plan and possibly the starters for a team that barely made playoffs.

Yikes
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Ogaju on April 19, 2017, 11:52:20 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

What do you expect? He is a rookie

No hes not, he has had a whole NBA season under his belt. He aint a rookie no more.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Ogaju on April 19, 2017, 11:56:32 PM
I don't think people realize how truly dumb Jaylen is right now

He is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen.

He's been really, really bad in the first two games, especially on the defensive end.

Cannot afford to start him.

I agree about Brown's play so far, but I'd still be inclined to start him and play him real minutes.  Let him play through the mistakes.  I know it won't happen but it's just what I'd like to see.  I think if anyone believed we had a chance to beat the Cav's they don't think so anymore.   We are going to make a lot of changes to the team in the next 2-3 years and despite his rookie growing pains, Brown looks like a keeper.  We need to get him minutes.  I thought we would beat Chicago in 5 games, 6 at worst.  Now I want to see us start to develop some of the talent we've been hording.   I say give real minutes to Brown and Rozier, let the kids really feel some playoff ball.  If we loose we loose, so be it.  We're not winning a title this year anyway.  Maybe even give Mickey some run.  There is a really good chance we don't keep him, so maybe take one last look before we release him to free up money for free agency.

Dude, Mickey looks lost out there. It is glaringly clear that he is lost out there when he has played, those early jitters usually go away with experience, but has not happened with him.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: iadera on April 20, 2017, 03:17:35 AM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?

When you're desperate, you think desperately and you mostly make desperate decisions. Hope Stevens doesn't.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: LGC88 on April 20, 2017, 04:13:45 AM
WHY do people want to start Zeller, a serial DNP all season long?  WHY?

When you're desperate, you think desperately and you mostly make desperate decisions. Hope Stevens doesn't.

There is no desperation here. The same starting 5 have to focus, play hard defense and take care of the ball (less TO). The rest will take care of itself.
Where is Amir by the way?
Game 1 = 18mn
Game 2 = 8mn
Is he injured?
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: playdream on April 20, 2017, 05:15:30 AM
IT/Brown/Jea/Horford/Amir
save the ABs and Smarts who can attack when IT sits
CBS needs to trust his players and use them
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Who on April 20, 2017, 07:56:41 AM
I don't like Jaylen against Mirotic because the onus there is on playing defense off the ball which Jaylen isn't fundamentally sound enough to do. He struggled a bit against Zipser too. I'd be happier to see Jaylen play on the ball defense against Wade or J.Butler.

I think that is easier for him now defensively. To play against a strong offensive player who sees a lot of the ball rather than a spot up shooter who forces Jaylen to play more off the ball defense.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: KGBirdBias on April 20, 2017, 09:35:05 AM
To be honest I'm not upset that we are losing. I think we all know this team isn't built to win this year.

I'm upset in the manner that we're losing. We don't want to be the laughingstock of the NBA and be the worst #1 seed of all time. I'm still not sure who the true leader is on this team. Who will call a team meeting, who will keep everyone accountable or get in someone's face.

Horford where are you? You've been through the fire with playoff series.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: playdream on April 20, 2017, 10:26:44 AM
To be honest I'm not upset that we are losing. I think we all know this team isn't built to win this year.

I'm upset in the manner that we're losing. We don't want to be the laughingstock of the NBA and be the worst #1 seed of all time. I'm still not sure who the true leader is on this team. Who will call a team meeting, who will keep everyone accountable or get in someone's face.

Horford where are you? You've been through the fire with playoff series.
Same here, i have been optimistic for this series, the IT tragedy is a sad accident but other player can't have excuses, and that's why i like to keep Smart who shows passion/anger in the situiation
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: loco_91 on April 20, 2017, 04:18:38 PM
I think you stick with our starting fine, and more generally go back to what worked all year. Our starters have been OK this series--the issue has more been a lack of bench production, and the bench rotation is what Stevens has been messing with the most. If I were Brad I'd go back to the rotations he played, with a lot of success, in the regular season. We need to get this team back in its comfort zone.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Who on April 20, 2017, 06:08:10 PM
Jerebko MUST start.

Mirotic is causing problems for the Celtics' team defense. Neither Amir or Horford are quick enough to both help & recover off of Mirotic. It is putting the whole team's team defense off kilter. Too many late rotations and overhelping to make up for it. Getting everyone out of place.

The Celtics have to put more quickness on the floor defensively so that they can rotate properly and recover to the Bulls big men. Stevens has tried to do this with Jaylen Brown on Mirotic but Jaylen isn't sound enough as a help defender so that plan has failed. None of Amir, Horford, Olynyk, Zeller are quick enough.

The one guy on the roster that has the defensive aptitude for this assignment is Jonas Jerebko and Stevens has ignored him. That has to change. Jerebko MUST play. Jerebko MUST start. Jerebko is far and away the best defensive matchup on the roster against Mirotic.

Start Jerebko and the team's help defense will start functioning again.

And once the team's help defense is functioning and in proper position after shot attempts, then they will be in better position to box out and secure rebounds thus improving defensive rebounding as well.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: jambr380 on April 20, 2017, 06:56:57 PM
I think you stick with our starting fine, and more generally go back to what worked all year. Our starters have been OK this series--the issue has more been a lack of bench production, and the bench rotation is what Stevens has been messing with the most. If I were Brad I'd go back to the rotations he played, with a lot of success, in the regular season. We need to get this team back in its comfort zone.

The starters got absolutely crushed last game. It was players like KO, Rozier, and Smart who all had a positive +/-. Several of the starters were down near -20.

I know I am sounding like a humongous believer of the +/- stat; I agree that context is needed. But, the starters need to not let Rondo, Lopez, and Wade go off. That is truly all on them.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: mctyson on April 20, 2017, 07:12:29 PM
Jerebko MUST start.

I don't disagree with you, though I think it will be Kelly over Amir as the only change.

Jerebko was so heated at the end of Game 2.  He played 4 minutes in Game 1 (+5 in those), and then a DNP in Game 2.  This is when I started screaming at Brad.  You take a guy who has been in your rotation all year (and for good reason, in my view) and you paste him on the bench.  For good measure, you start the serial DNP that is Zeller in the 2nd half.  It made no sense then, and makes no sense now.

Brad was completely unprepared for this series.  I hope he gets something going with them or it is going to be a long summer and even longer next season for him.  The bloom is off.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Fred Roberts on April 20, 2017, 07:17:28 PM
People want Zeller bc he's actually good and size has obviously been destroying us.

Folks are calling for JJ, Brown, Green etc bc they might be able to get hot if given the chance.

Outside of IT, game 1, and flashes from Al, AB and Smart, the starters have stunk. Straight up.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: jpotter33 on April 20, 2017, 07:20:07 PM
Jerebko MUST start.

Mirotic is causing problems for the Celtics' team defense. Neither Amir or Horford are quick enough to both help & recover off of Mirotic. It is putting the whole team's team defense off kilter. Too many late rotations and overhelping to make up for it. Getting everyone out of place.

The Celtics have to put more quickness on the floor defensively so that they can rotate properly and recover to the Bulls big men. Stevens has tried to do this with Jaylen Brown on Mirotic but Jaylen isn't sound enough as a help defender so that plan has failed. None of Amir, Horford, Olynyk, Zeller are quick enough.

The one guy on the roster that has the defensive aptitude for this assignment is Jonas Jerebko and Stevens has ignored him. That has to change. Jerebko MUST play. Jerebko MUST start. Jerebko is far and away the best defensive matchup on the roster against Mirotic.

Start Jerebko and the team's help defense will start functioning again.

And once the team's help defense is functioning and in proper position after shot attempts, then they will be in better position to box out and secure rebounds thus improving defensive rebounding as well.

Pretty much this.

He also gives IT and Al much more spacing in the paint to work with.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: SCeltic34 on April 20, 2017, 07:29:46 PM
Jerebko MUST start.

Mirotic is causing problems for the Celtics' team defense. Neither Amir or Horford are quick enough to both help & recover off of Mirotic. It is putting the whole team's team defense off kilter. Too many late rotations and overhelping to make up for it. Getting everyone out of place.

The Celtics have to put more quickness on the floor defensively so that they can rotate properly and recover to the Bulls big men. Stevens has tried to do this with Jaylen Brown on Mirotic but Jaylen isn't sound enough as a help defender so that plan has failed. None of Amir, Horford, Olynyk, Zeller are quick enough.

The one guy on the roster that has the defensive aptitude for this assignment is Jonas Jerebko and Stevens has ignored him. That has to change. Jerebko MUST play. Jerebko MUST start. Jerebko is far and away the best defensive matchup on the roster against Mirotic.

Start Jerebko and the team's help defense will start functioning again.

And once the team's help defense is functioning and in proper position after shot attempts, then they will be in better position to box out and secure rebounds thus improving defensive rebounding as well.

Completely agree.

One of the most frustrating things about game 2 was getting torched by Mirotic and Zipser, which is completely inexcusable in a playoff game.  Brad failed to adjust the entire game.   What's worse is that we haven't been able to exploit either of these players on the offensive end - i.e. if Mirotic is matched up on Horford, then we need to take advantage of that.  Horford was remarkably ineffective in doing that and he deserves to be called out for it.

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.  It's not like anything else has so far.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Tr1boy on April 20, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
http://cdn.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/19204403/isaiah-thomas-boston-celtics-expected-back-game-3-first-round-series


Why is IT4 rushing back for game 3 ?

Be with your family ...
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 20, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
http://cdn.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/19204403/isaiah-thomas-boston-celtics-expected-back-game-3-first-round-series


Why is IT4 rushing back for game 3 ?

Be with your family ...
its Isaiah's choice. No one else can hoep to understand what the best choice is for him.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: green18! on April 21, 2017, 11:08:21 AM
Reading between the lines, I think it is going to be Jerebko. They need to replace Amir, and the choices are Zeller, small lineup of death, or Jerebko. My guess is that he picks the middle option in order to try to increase defensive intensity without giving up too much size.

I'm okay with that, but if Lopez starts to board Horford, he needs to go to Zeller to put a body on him.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: KGBirdBias on April 21, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Well someone is listening at Waltham. Stevens is going smaller with Green starting. I had the player wrong but the idea I like.

Let's get out and get up and down and be more athletic. Now who does Lopez cover? Haha
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: JOMVP on April 21, 2017, 05:53:34 PM
Gerald drops 30 tonight. Lets go.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: loco_91 on April 21, 2017, 05:54:39 PM
Gerald Green? This makes little sense to me. Hope Gerald proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Fred Roberts on April 21, 2017, 06:00:40 PM
Dreams do come true
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Green-18 on April 21, 2017, 06:05:56 PM
Gerald Green? This makes little sense to me. Hope Gerald proves me wrong.

This certainly isn't a conventional lineup, especially considering that this was never experimented with during the season.  It's clear that Brad is going to want the Celtics to play at breakneck speed and encourage them to take open looks early the in the shot clock.  I'm sure that the theme of tonight is to shoot with confidence early and often.  Hopefully the Bulls can't keep up and we wear them out throughout the game.  I think that we can also create more favorable matchups for Amir and KO by playing them together while Lopez is off the court.

I was in favor of Jerebko but hopefully the change results in an offensive outburst.       
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: jambr380 on April 21, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
Gerald Green? This makes little sense to me. Hope Gerald proves me wrong.

Yeah, the definition of a head-scratcher. I guess he is going to be a beast rebounder(?). I don't think he will play a ton of minutes, just giving the Bulls a different look, I guess. That, or GG has something on Ainge/Stevens that they don't want to get out.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: blink on April 21, 2017, 06:08:12 PM
Man I don't know.  I would like this if Brad had shown any serious consideration to building Green into a major minutes guy at the end of the year.  To me this feels more like a Hail Mary.  I hope it works!!!
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 21, 2017, 06:15:23 PM
Well someone is listening at Waltham. Stevens is going smaller with Green starting. I had the player wrong but the idea I like.

Let's get out and get up and down and be more athletic. Now who does Lopez cover? Haha

Wow. Going from not playing to starting? Bold move. Hopefully it pays off. He does have the potential to be a big scorer, probably more so than any other Celtic not named IT.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: KGBirdBias on April 21, 2017, 06:32:52 PM
Well what is does is it gives the Bulls pause. I doubt GG plays major minutes unless h's productive. It also moves Amir to come off the bench against lesser competition.

The bigger issue is now I'm not sure how Lopez is going t play with Horford hovering around the 3 pt line. This gives our transition defense more time to get back and settled. Grant isn't Rondo.

They have two adjustments to make...how does Lopez and Mirotic adjust and now DWade and Butler have more responsibility in the offense...which slows down their aggressiveness.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: MBunge on April 21, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
I know he's the whipping boy around here, but what the bleep does KO have to do to get a chance to start?

Mike
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: mctyson on April 21, 2017, 07:06:00 PM
I know he's the whipping boy around here, but what the bleep does KO have to do to get a chance to start?

Mike

I don't think Brad wants to take him and Marcus off the bench unit.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: 2short on April 21, 2017, 07:09:53 PM
Gerald Green? This makes little sense to me. Hope Gerald proves me wrong.
Yeah I'd say our best chance of winning right now is no rondo.  I can see bulls just throwing the ball down into post when there offense isn't getting a quick good shot.
Title: Re: Starters game #3
Post by: Dino Pitino on April 21, 2017, 07:23:18 PM
I like the Amir-less spacing, I think this is gonna work.