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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: playdream on April 19, 2017, 11:17:04 AM
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After two dissapointting lose to the 8seed Bulls at home, who you see as an ''must exchange'' in order to go deeper in the playoffs?
My personal opinion is AB and Jae, and will consider KO
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After two dissapointting lose to the 8seed Bulls at home, who you see as an ''must exchange'' in order to go deeper in the playoffs?
My personally opinion is AB and Jae, and will consider KO
It really depends on the willingness of certain players to adapt to new roles. Jae isn't a starting SF on a contending team unless it is a "Super Team". I doubt he would be okay adapting to a bench role even though it would suit his strengths as a player. Jae needs to go back to simplifying his game and relying on toughness.
Avery is difficult to get a read on. I believe that he would be significantly better in the playoffs if we had an All-Star scoring option to go along with Isaiah. At face value he appears to have a low-ego and values team success above everything else.
As for KO, I have always tried to be optimistic with him but his lack of mental toughness is clearly showing right now. He will always have certain limitations but our team could be so much better if he consistently hit open shots. When he doesn't provide an offensive spark it is very difficult to justify bringing him back.
Ultimately another #1 scoring option would go a long way with this team. I think a of things would fall into place with the current roster if they weren't relied upon to create offense.
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KO is a given, lol. I think people were done with him before the playoffs. Crowder is my guy. Not impressed with his defense. Seems like an all talk sort of guy. More than open to trading Bradley now as well. Only reason we should trade IT is if we go younger.
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A lot of the answer for me will depend on what comes back as a result. This team has glaring weaknesses in rebounding, and a 2nd shot creator and needs to fill those holes somehow. If Bradley gets us quality in one of those spots then it's Bradley. If Marcus brings back more then it is Marcus.
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I wouldn't re-sign any of our current free agents, and I would look to trade AB and Crowder.
I don't think you could get equal return for Thomas, and I doubt there would be any palatable offers for Horford.
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I could pick only 3, so I picked Horford, KO, and Crowder, but I'd entertain offers for all of them. I love IT but he's a one-way player, Horford hasn't stepped up at all this series and thus is not earning his huge contract, KO has only a couple good games a month, Crowder has disappeared, Smart can't hit water falling out of a boat, and Bradley has been terrible.
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Horford's not going anywhere. He's untradeable with his current contract. And IT isn't going anywhere. Anyone else I'm fine with moving if they get value back. But they have to do something. They have to change the makeup of the team - especially up front.
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I wish Amir was an option in this poll. He'd be a great vet minimum/MLE guy, but I don't see him taking the pay cut.
I would build around Brown, Bradley, IT, Horford (and Jae if he's willing to go to the bench).
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Anyone but Smart and Brown.
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I read the question in the subject title before reading the first post. I chose AB, IT, and Horford if we are going to blow it up. Obviously I like all of these players and they have been extremely important to our regular season success, but if we get swept (or nearly swept), then I think I will be ready to move on...as disappointing as that seems.
And I do think all three guys have significant trade value. AB and IT speak for themselves (although some of us may not be thrilled with the return), but to assume Horford is just some scrub is wrong. Is there a competing team out there that wouldn't love to have Horford as a member of their starting front court (NOP isn't competing)?
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If we lose the series , one thing for sure
No key FAs will want to sign here
I would rebuild
Trade everyone except Yabu, Zizic, Brown and picks. If KO and Smart will sign cheap, sign them.
Force CBS to play/develop young players.... Not play Jerebko significant amount of min
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If we don't at least make the series competitive.
I would keep all the young players, and just blow it up.
Unless we can go after like George, Damian Lillard, Klay Thompson, or anyone else that can help boost our team.
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If we lose the series , one thing for sure
No key FAs will want to sign here
You overrate the value that NBA players place on winning. While it matters, getting paid still matters #1 and we have a max slot open and still a lot of positives in place. A crappy playoff performance won't change that.
They still have a lot of flexibility to make changes even though Horford's contract pretty much anchors him here. But he certainly won't scare anyone way.
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If we lose the series , one thing for sure
No key FAs will want to sign here
You overrate the value that NBA players place on winning. While it matters, getting paid still matters #1 and we have a max slot open and still a lot of positives in place. A crappy playoff performance won't change that.
They still have a lot of flexibility to make changes even though Horford's contract pretty much anchors him here. But he certainly won't scare anyone way.
Yes. But do you want a player like that? Like a melo anthony
Danny should not sign FAs just because
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Say good-bye to Kelly...the human up fake machine has worn his welcome out in my book. Kelly must be dizzy from turning the corner and falling back around it again and again. He has too many negative traits to consider paying him anything but base dollars.
Crowder is mostly talk, and posturing on defense of late, his game is solid at times, but very single dimensioned on the offensive side. He is limited physically 6-5, short arms, no real ability to play above the rim. He shoots the 3 well at times, he'd make a nice 3 and D bench player. Possible trade bait.
Bradley is too undersized to be a starter, at 6-2 and 170 he's slight of build, easily dismissed on a pick, and inconsistent as a scorer. He just can't have a game where he's strong the entire game. He hits two jump shots in a row, and then isn't heard from for 2 quarters. Gets hurt too often. Again...he's a 3 and D bench player on a good team. Possible trade bait.
I can't stand the way the NBA has anointed IT the new poster boy of the terribly undersized superstar. Yes...Thomas is a wonderful, and gifted scorer. But a less than average point guard, and because of his physical limitations a defensive liability of mega proportions. Trade, or keep, I'm not sure. But I would offer him a contract based on him being a super 6th man, and nothing more.
With this pick we have coming in this point guard heavy NBA draft, take the best PG available and play him behind Smart, and or IT until he's ready to take the reins.
In the mean time, please try to gather some normal positional size with talent, and find a big to replace Amir.
It's definitely a step back, but this oddly designed team was alway fools gold.
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I would say good bye to Amir and his 12M, Zeller and his 8M. Thats 18M. a year for a rebounding big man and bring. KO if he will sign for cheap I would resign and use him at the stretch 4 (he is not a center) because he can shoot a little bit. I like the guards but we should get bigger there too eventually. Sign a free agent forward who can rebound also. The emphasis should be on big, long and tough in the middle. Small does not cut it D.A. change your thinking. I fear if DA doesn't change his mindset the 76ers will pass us soon and Toronto will stay ahead in the EC also.
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I think Bradley may be the odd man out. If Isaiah is going to be our PG for the foreseeable future, we need more size and more versatility from the 2-guard spot. I love Avery. I've loved watching him grow and become the player he is, but he's not the answer at SG.
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We didn't look like any 1st seed team I've ever watched play in my years of loving the game of basketball. We've been looking like we don't belong in the playoffs. I'm so frustratingly bewildered I don't want to see any of them back after these last few "efforts".
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
At least the picks offer us some sort of hope beyond this core.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
I'm ready for Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to take the reins. Smart and Jaylen can stick around as the sidekicks.
Also looking forward to seeing if Ante Zizic can grab some boards and throw down some dunks in the NBA like he's done overseas.
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Keep IT And Bradley.
IT is really the only player on the C's who makes them worth watching.
Zeller is fine as a backup. Smart and Crowder maybe as 15 minute bench players. Horford cuz we're probably stuck with him. I'd keep Gerald as well, but boy wonder coach never uses him.
To all who say you can't win with IT-- NO ONE can win by himself! He's surrounded by scrubs.
But Danny seems happy with affordable contracts (except for the big softie he gave a max contract to) and future draft choices. Too bad, because IMO he had enough trading chips to contend right now if he had made a couple of moves.
Can we trade Crowder for Rondo?, lol. And yes, I'm serious.
And one last thing- PLEASE stop playing Kelly O for goodness sake!!!!!! I don't care what any bs stats might say- he's just awful, and painful to watch.
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Everyone but smart and Jaylen brown. Get what you can for the rest and build an actual TEAM and not a one man show and his stage hands
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
lol yea good times. Goood times
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Think blowing up the team is an overreaction. With that being said I would let all 5 free agents walk this summer, but would keep Amir on a good contract for bench depth.
In addition trade Bradley for a front court player preferably. Don't think he will be worth what he'll be looking for in an 18 contract.
Puts us at about $63 million in cap space.
Bring up Zizic, Yabu, Nader,17 pick, and whoever in return for Bradley.
Asumming about $2 million/each per year for Zizic, Yabu,Nader. Around $5mfor 17 pick.
We're back around $74 million. +Avery's replacement(let's assume same salary) $8mil= $82 million
I'd still like to see us bring in Noel during the off season.
Check out his exit interview here:https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/04/13/nerlens-noel-excited-mavs-future-team-make-sure-part
Wearing a Sox hat, just turned 23, solves many of our issues around rebounding and rim protection. Paired with freak athleticism, developing offense game and plans states how he plans on adding 10-15 lbs in the off season...Sign me up. Max he's able to get is 25.8. Be nice to start around $20 with more on the back end.
Puts us right around the $102-103 million projected cap range.
He pairs nicely now with Horford and would be a nice piece to a future core of: Brown,Smart, 17, and the earlier mentioned.
Pray we get Fultz. I'd be happy with Jackson or Tatum though.
It/Smart/Rozier
Fultz/Brown/Nader
Crowder/Brown/Nader/yabu
Horford/Yabu/replacement AB
Noel/Zizic/ replacement.
Can switch it around couple different ways,but I think we'd be a better team vs Current..With a ridiculously young core.
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Who's to keep:
IT, Smart, Brown, Horford
Who's to go:
Crowder, Olynyk, Jerebko, Mickey, Young, Zeller
Undecided:
Amir, Bradley, Rozier, Green
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I wish Amir was an option in this poll. He'd be a great vet minimum/MLE guy, but I don't see him taking the pay cut.
I would build around Brown, Bradley, IT, Horford (and Jae if he's willing to go to the bench).
Jae's ego got too big and I doubt he'll be willing to accept bench role once Jaylen or Josh Jackson (if drafted) develops.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
At least the picks offer us some sort of hope beyond this core.
Some. I don't want to get my hopes too high—either for getting the No. 1 pick this year, or that either of the Nets picks turns into a star.
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Keep Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown, Kelly Olynyk (he's a very nice guy to bring off the bench).
Happy to trade anybody and everybody else, with first emphasis being on Smart and Horford - I want those two guys gone more than anybody. Horford because his contact is crippling, and Smart because he's an idiot, is an offensive liability, and has a bad attitude.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
At least the picks offer us some sort of hope beyond this core.
Some. I don't want to get my hopes too high—either for getting the No. 1 pick this year, or that either of the Nets picks turns into a star.
I agree.
I only see two guys in this top 5 who have superstar potential - Fultz and Tatum. Tatum actually makes more sense to us since we could really use a versatile 6'8" wing scorer, but Fultz looks great too.
Both guys are athletic two way players who can play multiple positions, and score at a high volume, in a variety of ways.
Once you go past those two guys I feel the potential drops off significantly - and no, I do not feel Ball is as good a prospect as Tatum.
There's a very high probability that we don't get #1, and there's a pretty real chance that we may drop as far as #3. I very seriously doubt we will fall below that, as you rarely ever see three teams outside of the top 3 jump up in to the top 3.
So realistically, our most likely draft positions are #2 or #3.
I just pray we don't draft Ball (if we fall #1 or #2) or Jackson (if we fall #3) as I don't feel either of those two guys is going to be as good a people are hyping them to be. Jackson seems to have role player written all over him.
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Tatum is also 1 year younger than Jackson. That put some perspective into draft position.
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If we are going versatile Jackson will be our man. He is a true Point Forward.
Josh Jackson is the alternative, arguably the best non-point guard heading into the NBA Draft that will be dominated at the top by point guards
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/16/kansas-jayhawks-josh-jackson-makes-case-be-drafts-top-pick
Here was ESPN top 100 players high school ranking.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2016
One should note Fultz was 7th and Jackson 2nd.
David Aldridge has Jackson 1st amoung small forwards.
http://www.nba.com/da-big-board-small-forwards-2017-draft
This site compares him to Leonard
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/josh-jackson
Again clearly ranked very high across the board
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/
Duke players are often system players and do not always translate well in the pros, doesn't that scare you about Tatum. Jackson is a firecracker with a loose cannon side, and that is one of his weaknesses but that is exactly what this playoff team could use now.
For me Fultz and Jackson are the key players with Tatum coming a nice consolation prize.
I think we need an upgrade for Amir. So I like Jackson, who many think has the most potential in this draft, is our guy. His shot is suspect, but he can rebounds, pass, and his shot was better than anticipated, he is better defender than Tatum, too.
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If we are going versatile Jackson will be our man. He is a true Point Forward.
Josh Jackson is the alternative, arguably the best non-point guard heading into the NBA Draft that will be dominated at the top by point guards
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/03/16/kansas-jayhawks-josh-jackson-makes-case-be-drafts-top-pick
Here was ESPN top 100 players high school ranking.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2016
One should note Fultz was 7th and Jackson 2nd.
David Aldridge has Jackson 1st amoung small forwards.
http://www.nba.com/da-big-board-small-forwards-2017-draft
This site compares him to Leonard
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/josh-jackson
Again clearly ranked very high across the board
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/
Duke players are often system players and do not always translate well in the pros, doesn't that scare you about Tatum. Jackson is a firecracker with a loose cannon side, and that is one of his weaknesses but that is exactly what this playoff team could use now.
For me Fultz and Jackson are the key players with Tatum coming a nice consolation prize.
I think we need an upgrade for Amir. So I like Jackson, who many think has the most potential in this draft, is our guy. His shot is suspect, but he can rebounds, pass, and his shot was better than anticipated, he is better defender than Tatum, too.
Jackson's body language screams talent. But I'm concerned about other things (he's not a shooter at all and he has off court issues).
Shall see what Danny think after a work out.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
I'm ready for Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to take the reins. Smart and Jaylen can stick around as the sidekicks.
Also looking forward to seeing if Ante Zizic can grab some boards and throw down some dunks in the NBA like he's done overseas.
A core built around Fultz/Smart/Jaylen/Zizic/BRK 18/ Yabu on the bench is what keeps me hopeful for the future of this team. That is the possible core that raises the next banner.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
I'm ready for Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to take the reins. Smart and Jaylen can stick around as the sidekicks.
Also looking forward to seeing if Ante Zizic can grab some boards and throw down some dunks in the NBA like he's done overseas.
A core built around Fultz/Smart/Jaylen/Zizic/BRK 18/ Yabu on the bench is what keeps me hopeful for the future of this team. That is the possible core that raises the next banner.
after the team's performance this series, I'm gravitating towards this attitude. Not tying myself to Fultz - just happy we can't do worst than the 4th pick in a 4-player draft so we will get someone that should develop into a starting-caliber player.
have always said this group is a bunch of role players before Horford was signed. they still are. been ready to trade them for upgrades should the opportunity arise.
Definitely need to upgrade that front court. as hopeful as I am that Zizic and Yabu turn out to be quality players, we cannot go into next season with them as the only front court players with Al. We have the opportunity to jettison the 4 current front court players that aren't contributing on the level that we need - KO, Amir, Zeller and JJ. really hoping Danny can parlay those 4 openings into 2 solid front court players that defend, rebound and can produce a bit on offense.
would like to see AB and Crowder moved for a better player -- either a swing man or front court player.
not pinning my hopes on a top FA this offseason as long as Danny makes smart roster moves to improve the team. I know the free agent crop in 2018 looks a lot better so if he keeps his flexibility to finally cash in that season, I could probably accept that. if he comes away with no notable improvements by that offseason, I'm not sure what his gameplay is.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
I'm ready for Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to take the reins. Smart and Jaylen can stick around as the sidekicks.
Also looking forward to seeing if Ante Zizic can grab some boards and throw down some dunks in the NBA like he's done overseas.
A core built around Fultz/Smart/Jaylen/Zizic/BRK 18/ Yabu on the bench is what keeps me hopeful for the future of this team. That is the possible core that raises the next banner.
after the team's performance this series, I'm gravitating towards this attitude. Not tying myself to Fultz - just happy we can't do worst than the 4th pick in a 4-player draft so we will get someone that should develop into a starting-caliber player.
have always said this group is a bunch of role players before Horford was signed. they still are. been ready to trade them for upgrades should the opportunity arise.
Definitely need to upgrade that front court. as hopeful as I am that Zizic and Yabu turn out to be quality players, we cannot go into next season with them as the only front court players with Al. We have the opportunity to jettison the 4 current front court players that aren't contributing on the level that we need - KO, Amir, Zeller and JJ. really hoping Danny can parlay those 4 openings into 2 solid front court players that defend, rebound and can produce a bit on offense.
would like to see AB and Crowder moved for a better player -- either a swing man or front court player.
not pinning my hopes on a top FA this offseason as long as Danny makes smart roster moves to improve the team. I know the free agent crop in 2018 looks a lot better so if he keeps his flexibility to finally cash in that season, I could probably accept that. if he comes away with no notable improvements by that offseason, I'm not sure what his gameplay is.
I want to throw a bit of money at Len or Noel and see if anything shakes loose. While I am optimistic about Zizic, I agree that having a 3 big man rotation of Horford, Yabu, and Zizic would not be a good immediate look.
Len has fallen out of favor, and we could take a swing at him. After the way Noel played in Dallas, he will get huge bucks.
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Luck, that's what this organization needs. A lucky break in the draft, and free agent signing could spell relief.
If we could sign one of either Hayward or Griffin, then trade away some salary, and then sign a Mason Plumlee type of center. He's young 27, very physical, and he's 7' and shouldn't be expensive enough to hinder us in the future. He's much better player than Amir or Zeller at this point.
(Noel would be nice too, but he'll be expensive, and most likely stay in Dallas.)
SF- Crowder/Brown
PF- Griffin/Crowder
C- Horford/Plumlee
PG- IT/ Smart/Fultz
SG- AB/Smart/Fultz
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
lol yea good times. Goood times
I still wouldn't do that deal. Brooklyn Picks are untouchable imo unless you get a player like A Davis.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
At least the picks offer us some sort of hope beyond this core.
Some. I don't want to get my hopes too high—either for getting the No. 1 pick this year, or that either of the Nets picks turns into a star.
I agree.
I only see two guys in this top 5 who have superstar potential - Fultz and Tatum. Tatum actually makes more sense to us since we could really use a versatile 6'8" wing scorer, but Fultz looks great too.
Both guys are athletic two way players who can play multiple positions, and score at a high volume, in a variety of ways.
Once you go past those two guys I feel the potential drops off significantly - and no, I do not feel Ball is as good a prospect as Tatum.
There's a very high probability that we don't get #1, and there's a pretty real chance that we may drop as far as #3. I very seriously doubt we will fall below that, as you rarely ever see three teams outside of the top 3 jump up in to the top 3.
So realistically, our most likely draft positions are #2 or #3.
I just pray we don't draft Ball (if we fall #1 or #2) or Jackson (if we fall #3) as I don't feel either of those two guys is going to be as good a people are hyping them to be. Jackson seems to have role player written all over him.
I agree completely. But I also don't want to get burned if Ball improves his handle and is able to create off the dribble. These workouts should tell the Front Office a lot. Typically the best signs for player evaluation is the improvement players have made since the end of the college basketball season. Celtics should know if Ball has been working on his game after working him out.
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At this point I feel like getting rid of everyone, starting from scratch, and not watching this team until at least a year from now.
I'm ready for Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to take the reins. Smart and Jaylen can stick around as the sidekicks.
Also looking forward to seeing if Ante Zizic can grab some boards and throw down some dunks in the NBA like he's done overseas.
A core built around Fultz/Smart/Jaylen/Zizic/BRK 18/ Yabu on the bench is what keeps me hopeful for the future of this team. That is the possible core that raises the next banner.
after the team's performance this series, I'm gravitating towards this attitude. Not tying myself to Fultz - just happy we can't do worst than the 4th pick in a 4-player draft so we will get someone that should develop into a starting-caliber player.
have always said this group is a bunch of role players before Horford was signed. they still are. been ready to trade them for upgrades should the opportunity arise.
Definitely need to upgrade that front court. as hopeful as I am that Zizic and Yabu turn out to be quality players, we cannot go into next season with them as the only front court players with Al. We have the opportunity to jettison the 4 current front court players that aren't contributing on the level that we need - KO, Amir, Zeller and JJ. really hoping Danny can parlay those 4 openings into 2 solid front court players that defend, rebound and can produce a bit on offense.
would like to see AB and Crowder moved for a better player -- either a swing man or front court player.
not pinning my hopes on a top FA this offseason as long as Danny makes smart roster moves to improve the team. I know the free agent crop in 2018 looks a lot better so if he keeps his flexibility to finally cash in that season, I could probably accept that. if he comes away with no notable improvements by that offseason, I'm not sure what his gameplay is.
I want to throw a bit of money at Len or Noel and see if anything shakes loose. While I am optimistic about Zizic, I agree that having a 3 big man rotation of Horford, Yabu, and Zizic would not be a good immediate look.
Len has fallen out of favor, and we could take a swing at him. After the way Noel played in Dallas, he will get huge bucks.
Noel will probably cost us a bit but he's definitely an upgrade over who we have. Never understood what everyone saw in Len. just doesn't do it for me.
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If we don't get Fultz, I have a feeling it'll be Jackson.
Just seems like an Ainge guy to be honest.
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Luck, that's what this organization needs. A lucky break in the draft, and free agent signing could spell relief.
If we could sign one of either Hayward or Griffin, then trade away some salary, and then sign a Mason Plumlee type of center. He's young 27, very physical, and he's 7' and shouldn't be expensive enough to hinder us in the future. He's much better player than Amir or Zeller at this point.
(Noel would be nice too, but he'll be expensive, and most likely stay in Dallas.)
SF- Crowder/Brown
PF- Griffin/Crowder
C- Horford/Plumlee
PG- IT/ Smart/Fultz
SG- AB/Smart/Fultz
We barely have enough space to offer Hayward a max contract. There is a zero percent chance we could also sign Plumlee on top of that without trading players to create additional capspace.
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But to answer the question Bradley is the obvious choice and then probably Crowder after that. I think it would be the right move to trade Smart over Crowder but I feel like Ainge is in love with Marcus.
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So realistically, our most likely draft positions are #2 or #3.
I know keeping track of the odds of this lottery are confusing but this statement is actually statistically and realistically incorrect. Our odds are as follows:
First: 25.0%
Second: 21.5%
Third 17.8%
Fourth 35.7%
In actuality, our two least likely draft outcomes are 2nd and 3rd. Our most likely (highest probability) outcome is 4th and second most likely is 1st.
It is true that there is a 64.3% chance we get one of the top 3 picks but the 4th pick is still the outcome that has the highest probability of occurring.
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As for the list, I think it is more probably than not that keep all of the listed players. I would be stunned if we trade IT and I predict Horford gets traded after IT signs somewhere else in 2018. Smart, Bradley, Crowder? I don't see them going anywhere.
So I guess by process of elimination, maybe we don't sign Olynyk but I actually expect we will sign him.
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I went with Jae.
I really love him and his working/hustling spirit, but to me he's showing in this series that he may not be good enough for play-offs. And I still dream about landing Paul George, deep in my heart :D
Other than that, yes AB is disapointing a bit but I still think he is a great role player, could be great of the bench.
And Amir has to be upgraded of course.
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I went with Jae.
I really love him and his working/hustling spirit, but to me he's showing in this series that he may not be good enough for play-offs. And I still dream about landing Paul George, deep in my heart :D
Other than that, yes AB is disapointing a bit but I still think he is a great role player, could be great of the bench.
And Amir has to be upgraded of course.
thats why you trade AB. you can afford to keep Crowder as a role-player, AB is gonna get starter money.
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I went with Jae.
I really love him and his working/hustling spirit, but to me he's showing in this series that he may not be good enough for play-offs. And I still dream about landing Paul George, deep in my heart :D
Other than that, yes AB is disapointing a bit but I still think he is a great role player, could be great of the bench.
And Amir has to be upgraded of course.
thats why you trade AB. you can afford to keep Crowder as a role-player, AB is gonna get starter money.
If it is necessary that is OK. But I answered to the poll with 1 guy only. And crowder was the first who came to my mind. Now of course, I think and I hope there will be more move than just 1 guy this summer
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
lol yea good times. Goood times
Yeah, we just tend to overvalue our players at times. Remember nobody wanted to give up Al Jefferson for KG back in 2007.
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
Why shouldn't you be hesitant to make that kind of deal? All it gets you is being, at best, a slightly better version of the Bulls or the Pacers (two teams worse than Boston this season) while killing your cap space and giving up the single best trade asset you have.
I mean, does anyone actually think that a team of...
IT
Smart
Butler/PG13
Amir
Horford
Rozier
KO
Jaylen
Zeller
JJ
Really gets us any closer to winning a title?
Mike
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
lol yea good times. Goood times
Yeah, we just tend to overvalue our players at times. Remember nobody wanted to give up Al Jefferson for KG back in 2007.
if you think we cant beat the Bulls right now (and the evidence to support that is mounting rapidly) then mortgaging the future for Jimmy BUtler seems really dumb to me.
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Keep Zeller and let him play...Anyone else can go...
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
lol yea good times. Goood times
Yeah, we just tend to overvalue our players at times. Remember nobody wanted to give up Al Jefferson for KG back in 2007.
if you think we cant beat the Bulls right now (and the evidence to support that is mounting rapidly) then mortgaging the future for Jimmy BUtler seems really dumb to me.
It appears to me thatany posters prefer to whine and complain, rather than actually think things through.
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
Why shouldn't you be hesitant to make that kind of deal? All it gets you is being, at best, a slightly better version of the Bulls or the Pacers (two teams worse than Boston this season) while killing your cap space and giving up the single best trade asset you have.
I mean, does anyone actually think that a team of...
IT
Smart
Butler/PG13
Amir
Horford
Rozier
KO
Jaylen
Zeller
JJ
Really gets us any closer to winning a title?
Mike
it really doesn't. I love Smart but as the starting SG he's not going to provide the needed shooting. that bench is woefully thin and our front court is still just Horford and bit players.
I want Danny to work the roster this summer to bulk up the front court with someone solid to play with Horford. I don't want the only additions to be Zizic and Yabu. no issue bringing back Amir on a cheap deal for depth but he can't be starting for us.
The knock on Butler was that he's not an outside shooter but you wouldn't know it from this series and the knock on PG is that he's a 1 and done trade because he's likely heading to the Lakers when his contract is up. I still wouldn't trade AB, Crowder and the Brooklyn '17 pick for them. 2 of those asset but not all 3 (mostly because I would look to use the remaining asset in a deal to improve the front court).
I'd hang on to the Brooklyn 2018 pick with the number of big man prospects in that draft.
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Ah I remember the times when some fans were so hesitant and unwilling to package something like Crowder AND Bradley + BKN pick + fillers for someone like Jimmy Butler or PG13.
lol yea good times. Goood times
Yeah, we just tend to overvalue our players at times. Remember nobody wanted to give up Al Jefferson for KG back in 2007.
if you think we cant beat the Bulls right now (and the evidence to support that is mounting rapidly) then mortgaging the future for Jimmy BUtler seems really dumb to me.
It appears to me thatany posters prefer to whine and complain, rather than actually think things through.
This. It's exactly what I've said in the thread about blaming Ainge, Stevens or the players. TP
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I am purging the roster of Young, Amir, Green Young and Zeller..
I trade Crowder and Bradley with the #1 pick for Butler and something else
I am done with Bradley..always hurt. Crowder is a blue collar guy but not a superstar needed.