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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: KGBirdBias on April 18, 2017, 10:21:07 PM
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I'm sorry guys I don't think Stevens knows how to prepare teams for the playoffs. The intensity and game planning is crucial. His staff isn't equipped to deal with it. He needs some old vet assistant coaches.
This team is playing like it's a regular season game. Stevens hasn't made adjustments and his rotations are whack. Where has Green been...he should've been in early. Team came out flat again. Allowing this team to take all these 3s is disgusting. He's 2-10 in the playoffs. Go back to college.
Gut this team and the coaching staff. Horford is stealing money. Crowder is a bench player. KO should be released. Johnson made Lopez look like Moses. No one is going to want these players Ainge overvalues.
Ainge better fix this.
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I don't think Brad is the problem, but I agree -- he isn't the answer.
I've heard people say that "Brad Stevens is the Celtics' superstar." Well, I think it's obvious that isn't true.
Popovich he is not.
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I'm sorry guys I don't think Stevens knows how to prepare teams for the playoffs. The intensity and game planning is crucial. His staff isn't equipped to deal with it. He needs some old vet assistant coaches.
This team is playing like it's a regular season game. Stevens hasn't made adjustments and his rotations are whack. Where has Green been...he should've been in early. Team came out flat again. Allowing this team to take all these 3s is disgusting. He's 2-10 in the playoffs. Go back to college.
Gut this team and the coaching staff. Horford is stealing money. Crowder is a bench player. KO should be released. Johnson made Lopez look like Moses. No one is going to want these players Ainge overvalues.
Ainge better fix this.
Stevens deserves a lot of blame, but i dont think gerald green of all people was the reason we lost by double digits to the bulls. I think he needs to alter the starting lineup. Smart and zeller or olynyk should be starting. Amir looks dead
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
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This has always been a roster problem and the fact that Ainge did nothing at the deadline to improve the team and correct some of the deficiencies in the team he put together is the real travesty.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
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Green wasn't the answer but I'm looking at preparation, intensity and adjustments. I just don't see it. Stevens needs better NBA coaches. Our bigs can't rebound or defend inside. Our guards have to do everything.
This is a small slashing team and all we do is shoot 3s like we're the Warriors.
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I think Stevens had generally more success with these players than any other coach could expect to have
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To be fair...Boston and Stevens has overachieved this season. This roster is not very good and that is on Danny Ainge.
They are too guard heavy and Ainge over values guys like Crowder and Bradley.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Of course you can. His issue in the playoffs is that every team is trying hard. Once that happens, we come back down to earth.
Are we going to blame Stevens for our rebounding issues? No, that's a roster problem. Are we going to blame Stevens that our star is 5'9" in shoes? Thomas is always going to have issues when teams game plan against him. Are we going to blame Stevens because we only have one guy on the entire roster than can get his shot? The bulls have three.
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This butler project is over. We need a tough coach and tough players
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
The NBA regular season is next to meaningless. This team struggled all year to beat even horrible teams by more than a few points. In the playoffs the real basketball starts and fraud teams get exposed. He should take some heat but this roster is way too flawed. Nobody steps up when IT can't carry 70% of the load.
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I think Stevens had generally more success with these players than any other coach could expect to have
In the regular season though. And this season was disappointing in my opinion, not from a win-total standpoint (although I suppose that's what matters for the regular season), but from the standpoints of poor effort on defense and rebounding, inconsistency and a recurring theme of blown leads, and some questionable rotation decisions, such as playing Rozier so many undeserved minutes.
Brad has done an awful job so far in this series. Not only is he being outcoached by Fred Hoiberg of all people, but we look like a completely unprepared team. Aside from the first few minutes of game 2, at no point have we looked good at either end of the floor. His rotations in the playoffs have been trash too.
I'm very much beginning to question Stevens' ability to coach when it matters.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Exactly!
Stevens made two really disingenuous statements about the roster the season. The most recent one was that the team is not as good as it's record. That's a really weasel comment for two reasons one, if the team doesn't do well in the playoffs they weren't that good, so it's not on him, and two because they did so well in the regular season because he was such a great coach.
Second comment he made was when someone was questioning him about the lack of rebounding, which she has time and again said that it wasn't that important. And then the comment he made was that he plays with the roster that was given to him. That's a bunch of crap.
I have no doubt that Ainge purposely did not go after certain guys because Stevens didn't want them, because they weren't Proto typical for his system, for example Bigs that could shoot and stretch the floor like little Kelly.
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Brad has had all kinds of issues all year long. It's not just this season either, he was questionable last year too.
I just don't understand some of the rotations and decisions he makes. It's like he tries to do things that are unorthodox just for the sake of being unorthodox...and when guys are playing badly out there he pays no attention to it.
Yesterday in the first half, Marcus Smart killed us. He made horrible decision after horrible decision, made countless moves that led to turnovers, poor passing decisions, poor shoooting decisions. He had a lot to do with us losing that game, even if he did get lucky on a couple of fluke threes. Yet when he was making mistake after mistake, Brad refused to take him out.
Then Brown came in twice, made an immediate impact both times, and got pulled straight back out again.
Then later in the game they had Crowder, Smart and Bradley all on the court - and Brad decides to put Bradley onto Butler defensively, and Smart on Wade? In what universe does that make any sense? It's blatantly obvious that Crowder is the best matchup against Butler, Bradley is a great defender and will play hard, but Butler has 5 inches and a good 40 pounds on Bradley, it's just not a good matchup. Yet Bradley is know for his ability to shut down Wade...so why not put Crowder on Butler and Bradley on Wade?
Then today - Rozier played well when he was out there, then they take him straight back out again.
Smart and Olynyk both played well, and Olynyk barely got 19-20 mins of playing time.
And somehow we allowed Robin freaking Lopez of all people to kill us two nights in a row, on our home court - granted Horford had a good game yesterday, but overall in this series he hasn't really outplayed Lopez, which is an embarrassment for a $30M man.
Finally, getting killed by Lopez and Portis only brings more attention to the fact that we desperately need to add another big body at the deadline. We had a chance to get Ibaka for pretty much nothing but Ainge didn't want to give up Rozier, who has barely even played in this series so far. Ibaka could have been a difference maker in this series, no question about it. With he and Horford out there, we would be a significantly stronger team on BOTH ends of the floor.
Now we are down 0-2 at home against an 8th seed Chicago team that had major chemistry issues, and we go back to Chicago having to win some games. Right now the odds indicate that we will almost certainly lose this series, and there is a very real chance that we get knocked out with a 4-0 sweep.
Has that ever happened? A #1 seed being swept by a #8 seed? If not, we might make history for all the wrong reasons.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
False. During the regular season, a considerable number of fans felt that despite our success, our team was not build for the playoffs.
In fact, basketball reporters didn't think much of us coming into this series with the Bulls.
The problem is that intensity isn't going to be enough in the playoffs because everyone is intense in the playoffs. You can out-intense people in the regular season, but roster is the C's problem. It is also the reason why most C's fans didn't want us to try to commit much to single additional pieces when they didn't think we would get far in the playoffs regardless. As we hear all the time, we still need that primary star.
And don't let the #1 seed fool you. We are one of the all time worst #1 seeds by record.
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I think part of the problem with this system is
A) Stevens likes bigs that can shoot 3s
B) Stevens likes players that can play multiple positions.
As for A...this doesn't win you titles. It only opens the floor for others to get to the lane.
As for B...it doesn't allow you to have one player that can dominate one position. He ends up being good at several things but not great at one thing. Tweeners don't win you titles. Get some dominate players at their positions. Stop trying to ask players to play above their skillset.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Exactly!
Stevens made two really disingenuous statements about the roster the season. The most recent one was that the team is not as good as it's record. That's a really weasel comment for two reasons one, if the team doesn't do well in the playoffs they weren't that good, so it's not on him, and two because they did so well in the regular season because he was such a great coach.
Second comment he made was when someone was questioning him about the lack of rebounding, which she has time and again said that it wasn't that important. And then the comment he made was that he plays with the roster that was given to him. That's a bunch of crap.
I have no doubt that Ainge purposely did not go after certain guys because Stevens didn't want them, because they weren't Proto typical for his system, for example Bigs that could shoot and stretch the floor like little Kelly.
I agree with you that the rebounding comment wasn't a good one.
He was correct on the first point. Our roster and the effort we put in makes for regular season heroics. Most of this board has expressed a lot of skepticism about the ability of this roster to do much in playoffs. What percentage of people on here are even surprised by these outcomes? I had high hopes, but low expectations.
That being said, we can still get it together. It will be hard to go 4-1, but we could.
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We don't need a thread devoted to making excuses for Ainge. He made the bed, and now everyone has to sleep in it.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Exactly!
Stevens made two really disingenuous statements about the roster the season. The most recent one was that the team is not as good as it's record. That's a really weasel comment for two reasons one, if the team doesn't do well in the playoffs they weren't that good, so it's not on him, and two because they did so well in the regular season because he was such a great coach.
Second comment he made was when someone was questioning him about the lack of rebounding, which she has time and again said that it wasn't that important. And then the comment he made was that he plays with the roster that was given to him. That's a bunch of crap.
I have no doubt that Ainge purposely did not go after certain guys because Stevens didn't want them, because they weren't Proto typical for his system, for example Bigs that could shoot and stretch the floor like little Kelly.
We reportedly had opportunities for Cousins, Ibaka, Vucevic and Nurkic - and I am pretty confident we would have had a good shot at Monroe as well if we really made a push for him, since the Bucks don't seem all thatt high on him.
All of those guys would have helped us in this series, by a significant margin. Cousins obviously would have been a major game changer, but even adding Ibaka or Vucevic (alongside Horford) would have completely changed the look of this series.
But everybody was so big on maintaining max cap space...now they have announced that the Salary cap is going to be $6m lower then initially predicted, so after all that probably will not be capable of signing a max free agent without giving up half of our team anyway. So now all of those "cap flexibility" secessionists suddenly aren't looking so bright.
That's why I always say, when a great opportunity comes up, then you take it. You don't pass it up for the sake of keeping your options open later down the track, because you never know what is going to happen later down the track - any opportunities you have been holding out for may disappear, and then you've given up good opportunities for nothing.
The ONLY good things to come out of this past season are the Brooklyn pick, and the explosion of Isaiah Thomas.
Even holding the #1 seed (which I hoped would help with recruiting) might prove a moot point, since a lot of guys will be hesitant to join a team that seems incapable of winning a playoff series, and we may not have the cap space anyway.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Exactly!
Stevens made two really disingenuous statements about the roster the season. The most recent one was that the team is not as good as it's record. That's a really weasel comment for two reasons one, if the team doesn't do well in the playoffs they weren't that good, so it's not on him, and two because they did so well in the regular season because he was such a great coach.
Second comment he made was when someone was questioning him about the lack of rebounding, which she has time and again said that it wasn't that important. And then the comment he made was that he plays with the roster that was given to him. That's a bunch of crap.
I have no doubt that Ainge purposely did not go after certain guys because Stevens didn't want them, because they weren't Proto typical for his system, for example Bigs that could shoot and stretch the floor like little Kelly.
We reportedly had opportunities for Cousins, Ibaka, Vucevic and Nurkic - and I am pretty confident we would have had a good shot at Monroe as well if we really made a push for him, since the Bucks don't seem all thatt high on him.
All of those guys would have helped us in this series, by a significant margin. Cousins obviously would have been a major game changer, but even adding Ibaka or Vucevic (alongside Horford) would have completely changed the look of this series.
But everybody was so big on maintaining max cap space...now they have announced that the Salary cap is going to be $6m lower then initially predicted, so after all that probably will not be capable of signing a max free agent without giving up half of our team anyway. So now all of those "cap flexibility" secessionists suddenly aren't looking so bright.
That's why I always say, when a great opportunity comes up, then you take it. You don't pass it up for the sake of keeping your options open later down the track, because you never know what is going to happen later down the track - any opportunities you have been holding out for may disappear, and then you've given up good opportunities for nothing.
The ONLY good things to come out of this past season are the Brooklyn pick, and the explosion of Isaiah Thomas.
Even holding the #1 seed (which I hoped would help with recruiting) might prove a moot point, since a lot of guys will be hesitant to join a team that seems incapable of winning a playoff series, and we may not have the cap space anyway.
Agreed. Moreover, how was that cap space going to be used? On Griffin? Zero chance, and probably wouldn't want to. Hayward? Cool, doesn't move the needle. Fact of the matter is the team has been built on undersized, one-trick guards. Complete absence of a frontcourt is this team's problem, and it's entirely Ainge's.
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This has always been a roster problem and the fact that Ainge did nothing at the deadline to improve the team and correct some of the deficiencies in the team he put together is the real travesty.
It's very clear that Danny sees this team as a transition one, thus not getting them a support they need. Brad and that team could have proven him wrong but they just rolled over. Getting a #1 seed only to be swept by the #8 seed doesn't look very good on his resume.
I see this year as another evaluation year for Danny. With that said, he have no excuse not to build a contender next season. Even if he flamed out of top tier FA this upcoming off season, he should get and at least develop solid pieces for the future. Crowder have dramatically regressed and KO just couldn't pull it together.
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this whole thread is a joke. Blaming Stevens and Ainge because our players are not playing with intelligence is stupid. The blame is on the players. It was not Stevens or Ainge that lost both of those games. Stevens and Ainge didn't take off plays off; they didn't lose focus. No, it was the players that allowed the 8-seed Bulls to beat them into submission on both sides of the ball.
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This entire roster is fools gold, not at all built for the playoffs. They surrender size, and shooting at just about every position. Not to mention rebounding and toughness.
What has me most worried is, Brad and Danny don't seem to be learning from this teams short comings. I'm afraid they still feel finesse, small ball is the way to go. They need to realize talented size and length is the ticket.
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Danny Ainge isn't the answer
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This entire roster is fools gold, not at all built for the playoffs. They surrender size, and shooting at just about every position. Not to mention rebounding and toughness.
What has me most worried is, Brad and Danny don't seem to be learning from this teams short comings. I'm afraid they still feel finesse, small ball is the way to go. They need to realize talented size and length is the ticket.
It's that there is no advantage to trade off when we give up size.
Give up more size then until it gets you something else. Quickness, passing, scoring...something.
KO's size might be made up for with a more aggressive offense, quickness, and scrappiness.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Exactly!
Stevens made two really disingenuous statements about the roster the season. The most recent one was that the team is not as good as it's record. That's a really weasel comment for two reasons one, if the team doesn't do well in the playoffs they weren't that good, so it's not on him, and two because they did so well in the regular season because he was such a great coach.
Second comment he made was when someone was questioning him about the lack of rebounding, which she has time and again said that it wasn't that important. And then the comment he made was that he plays with the roster that was given to him. That's a bunch of crap.
I have no doubt that Ainge purposely did not go after certain guys because Stevens didn't want them, because they weren't Proto typical for his system, for example Bigs that could shoot and stretch the floor like little Kelly.
We reportedly had opportunities for Cousins, Ibaka, Vucevic and Nurkic - and I am pretty confident we would have had a good shot at Monroe as well if we really made a push for him, since the Bucks don't seem all thatt high on him.
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There is no reason to believe we had an opportunity for Nurkic.
Cousins clearly is a difference maker, both good and bad. But the long term roles of the other guys aren't as obvious, and I am interested in long term moves. First round, second round -- all the same to me in the end because this roster is so limited. I definitely wasn't looking for a one year rental that would decrease assets for ramping up for upcoming years. These first two games are the downside of that approach.
On the other hand, if draft picks don't fall in our favor and we don't snag an elite FA, we could see all our assets result in a team no better than this one.
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These losses are only surprising to Celtics fans who drank the cool-aid. Stevens told us the team isn't as good as its record. The experts labeled us the worst number one seed ever. Over confident fans and players took it as disrespect, but look at where we are now. The Bulls are an underachieving, but they're playing to their potential right now.
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
Exactly!
Stevens made two really disingenuous statements about the roster the season. The most recent one was that the team is not as good as it's record. That's a really weasel comment for two reasons one, if the team doesn't do well in the playoffs they weren't that good, so it's not on him, and two because they did so well in the regular season because he was such a great coach.
Second comment he made was when someone was questioning him about the lack of rebounding, which she has time and again said that it wasn't that important. And then the comment he made was that he plays with the roster that was given to him. That's a bunch of crap.
I have no doubt that Ainge purposely did not go after certain guys because Stevens didn't want them, because they weren't Proto typical for his system, for example Bigs that could shoot and stretch the floor like little Kelly.
We reportedly had opportunities for Cousins, Ibaka, Vucevic and Nurkic - and I am pretty confident we would have had a good shot at Monroe as well if we really made a push for him, since the Bucks don't seem all thatt high on him.
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There is no reason to believe we had an opportunity for Nurkic.
Cousins clearly is a difference maker, both good and bad. But the long term roles of the other guys aren't as obvious, and I am interested in long term moves. First round, second round -- all the same to me in the end because this roster is so limited. I definitely wasn't looking for a one year rental that would decrease assets for ramping up for upcoming years. These first two games are the downside of that approach.
On the other hand, if draft picks don't fall in our favor and we don't snag an elite FA, we could see all our assets result in a team no better than this one.
+1
People are talking like we just lost a close ECF series and are only 1 player away.
We're not going to win a title by giving up assets for the cast-offs from other teams. Cousins is the only one from that bunch with elite talent, and he is so crazy that no-one but the Pelicans wanted him.
Ibaka plays like he is 5 years older than he is. Nurkic is decent but will never be a star or an elite defender. Same with Vucevic. Greg Monroe? There's a reason the bucks aren't that enamored with him, even after devoting so much cap space to him.
Bad teams give away cap space and picks for mediocrity. See the Knicks and the Blazers for reference.
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Stevens is a good coach and the celtics will win this series, GO CELTICS!!!!
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Stevens is Definitely the answer.. The youth of this team is the future.. Brown, Smart 17 and possibly 18.. This is why we signed CBS for as long as we did.. DA knew this team was not on par with the Elite teams in the league.. Adding cousins was not going to make our guards taller.. and on-top of that to Ignore the fact that he is an emotional train-wreck who cant keep his feelings in check is beyond desperate..
IF you were honest with yourself you would know that regardless of seeding - the Bulls were a better PLAYOFF team than us.. PLAYOFF Rondo is better than anybody on our team.. You saw the guy Basically coaching the team on the sideline - leading like he lead Paul, KG and Ray..Experience in the playoffs trumps all.. Wade has been to the promised land multiple times... They have bigger, tougher bigs than we have, They have a Star Closer, multiple Scoring options who can create their own shots.. What did we think was going to happen in this series..
This is not Stevens fault.. We need ELITE Talent that we can grow into champions.. Brown was a start..
PS the Bulls are not a contender.. Beating them will/would not have put us any closer to anything important..
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Huh? Stevens problem is that his teams overachieve during the regular season.
You can't have it both ways though.
Overachieve in the regular season = Brad Stevens is a great coach!
Look overmatched in the playoffs = The players just aren't good enough!
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that. Either he makes the team better than their talent or he doesn't.
False. During the regular season, a considerable number of fans felt that despite our success, our team was not build for the playoffs.
In fact, basketball reporters didn't think much of us coming into this series with the Bulls.
The problem is that intensity isn't going to be enough in the playoffs because everyone is intense in the playoffs. You can out-intense people in the regular season, but roster is the C's problem. It is also the reason why most C's fans didn't want us to try to commit much to single additional pieces when they didn't think we would get far in the playoffs regardless. As we hear all the time, we still need that primary star.
And don't let the #1 seed fool you. We are one of the all time worst #1 seeds by record.
all of which tells me that while Stevens is a good coach, he's not a great coach.
great coaches figure out ways to overcome the difficulties presented by the playoffs.
not even a great coach can overcome staggering talent disparities, but that's not what is going on in this series.
the Celts look hapless against an opponent that barely managed to get to .500 in the regular season.
that's not good enough.
look, I'm not saying "Fire Brad Stevens!"
I'm just saying that we should stop thinking that Brad is the best thing we have going.
no, he's not.
Talent wins in this league. you need a good coach to not muck things up. Brad's not getting us to a championship just because you give him decent players. he apparently can't even win a playoff series with a solid but not great team.
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Stevens is Definitely the answer.. The youth of this team is the future.. Brown, Smart 17 and possibly 18.. This is why we signed CBS for as long as we did.. DA knew this team was not on par with the Elite teams in the league.. Adding cousins was not going to make our guards taller.. and on-top of that to Ignore the fact that he is an emotional train-wreck who cant keep his feelings in check is beyond desperate..
IF you were honest with yourself you would know that regardless of seeding - the Bulls were a better PLAYOFF team than us.. PLAYOFF Rondo is better than anybody on our team.. You saw the guy Basically coaching the team on the sideline - leading like he lead Paul, KG and Ray..Experience in the playoffs trumps all.. Wade has been to the promised land multiple times... They have bigger, tougher bigs than we have, They have a Star Closer, multiple Scoring options who can create their own shots.. What did we think was going to happen in this series..
This is not Stevens fault.. We need ELITE Talent that we can grow into champions.. Brown was a start..
PS the Bulls are not a contender.. Beating them will/would not have put us any closer to anything important..
This
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Guys part of building a good solid culture is defending home court.
Even if we don't win a series, at least win some home games.
Stevens is 2-10
We got pounded at home vs the Cavs 2 weeks ago.
The Bulls are shooting lights out on our court.
Can we at least get some home playoff wins
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
^^^THIS^^^
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
Is it the CBS or is it that the bigs on our team are really Sweet men... AJ looks like someones cool tatted Uncle.. KO looks like he would be great at Beer Pong - Al looks like he rescues small animals during his time off.. Outside of Smart and Crowder we have nothing really Rugged on the Roster.. We need a few junkyard dogs.. I am hoping that what they Say about Zizic is true..
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
I agree with this 100%. We need to show some passion and fire as a team and I don't see that from Brad. Not that yelling and stomping your feet is a way to manage today's NBA players but it would be helpful to have him get after guys more on a night like tonight where the effort and focus just wasn't there.
We definitely have very few NBA playoff mentally tough players on our roster right now.
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
Yeah let's hope that Danny signs or trades for a couple of young guys who are tough with good character (not a knock on Ainge I sincerely hope we can find such guys for cheap, we really need some of them right now and Zizic and Yabu are good starts)
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
Bring in Stan Van Gundy. I would love to watch him constantly yell and bark at the guys on TV.
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
Bring in Stan Van Gundy. I would love to watch him constantly yell and bark at the guys on TV.
I wouldn't complain to be honest.
I feel like Brad Stevens is like the coach equivalent of Al Horford - talented and fundamentally sound, but just too [dang] nice.
People used to hate on Doc Rivers, but if there is one thing he was not it's soft. He was a great motivator.
The whole story of making each player leave a $100 note in the opposing locker room, and telling them the only way they get it back is if they make it back there for the finals - that's what I call motivation.
I saw a video the other day with KG and Pierce reflecting back on their run with the Celtics and before. They spoke about Doc and how hard he was on the guys in practice, that if guys did a particular drill anything like then exactly how he wanted it done, he would make them redo it over and over again until they got it right.
KG's words were something like "if you were a soft guy, you would never last with Doc".
I think you need that in a coach. You need somebody who will accept no excuses, and will push you to your limit to make sure you are nothing less then your best. Yeah he made some questionable rotation choices at times, but if a guy made a mistake on the court you know they were getting a death stare on the spot, and an earful when they got back to the bench.
Popovich is probably the best coach in the league right now, and I can all but guarantee that there is nothing soft about how he coaches his Spurs teams. I'd say the same is probably true about Phil Jackson, looking at the type of person he is.
I just dont see that toughness in Brad Stevens. Not saying that he gives them a cocktail and a beach chair for practice, but I just don't see him being the type who would bench a guy if he doesn't go 110% in practice, etc. He just seems too nice.
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If CBS is too nice then what is Fred Hoidberg? Having a good coach is secondary to having talent. College hoops is a coaches game but the NBA is about stars. The moment is too big for this group of roleplayers.
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This butler project is over. We need a tough coach and tough players
Toto, I've got a feeling we're not at Butler anymore.
Even so, I'd rather have young, fresh-faced Brad than old, hackneyed Doc.
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I don't think the problem is Stevens. I think when Ainge did not improve the team at the deadline it sent a message to the team that he did not think they could compete this year and the team is playing accordingly. Now, I think Ainge is a rock solid GM for the most part but I think he dropped the ball on the trade deadline. There have been numerous articles of Ainge hinting that we can't get past CLE.
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lol when fans are hurt, they really come up with nonsense comments.
This Chicago team is better than us, hands down. They have 3 players that can drive their way in the paint and score, and that's our big weakness all season.
Celtics know how to defend the perimeter, but it's useless vs Chicago.
Buttler, Wade and Rondo are enjoying themselves seeing the Celtics have no answers.
Don't be mad at Danny or Brad, they have done their job well despite your opinions. They have their plan and they stick to it.
Be mad at your players! Where is the Celtics pride? Where is the hustle? The 50/50 balls grinding spirit? The fight to the end?
I don't see that, and it makes me very angry.
IT is not there, he's on auto pilot, and he still produce something.
Where are his teammates? It's disgusting to see their production.
I'm mad, very mad at all the players but IT. We all know what it feels to lose a siblings and how out of focus you are several days/weeks after the event.
We can't ask IT more than that but WHERE ARE HIS TEAMMATES ????
The only thing I wish happened during the press conference is a mad Brad Stevens with passion and fire. First time Brad disappointed me.
Did they all give up already?
Tsssch...
PS: I watch the Toronto's game. They get lucky, they should be 0-2 as well. But you know what... they made their luck, they hustle all the possessions, they play hard defense 48 minutes. They get rewarded by shooting well above average 48% 2s and 48% 3s and they made 2 huge contested shots at the end that gave them the win.
Didn't see that energy from the C's. Again, sad...
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Lol.
Brad Stevens isnt going anywhere.
The unfortunate tragedy that affected IT has affected the entire team.Terrible timing but that's not what's important here.
Jesus guys calm the fck down. We've had a great season for our roster. This current squad is going to be very different once we are true contenders. Our coach has done amazing job, unfortunately we are playing poorly and the Bulls are playing out of their minds.
Calm the fck down every one!
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Coach is doing good with the players he has for the most part. He has no bigs to fix the frontcourt issues.
But I'm not on board with the philosophy that CBS and DA have .
Chucking threes like crazy HOPING you hit a certain percentage .....enough to win. Is not going to cut it against playoff series games. We don't have Curry.
Forgetting about scoring in the paint and rebounding is a huge mistake. .....that's a false direction too dependent on unreliable shooters other than IT for the most part.
That's why we need a Fultz type of player ...another consistent scorer and a young guy who can rebound.
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If he keeps choking in the playoffs... he will be out as coach sooner than later
Danny will save his butt first
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Lol.
Brad Stevens isnt going anywhere.
The unfortunate tragedy that affected IT has affected the entire team.Terrible timing but that's not what's important here.
Jesus guys calm the fck down. We've had a great season for our roster. This current squad is going to be very different once we are true contenders. Our coach has done amazing job, unfortunately we are playing poorly and the Bulls are playing out of their minds.
Calm the fck down every one!
This.
Its as if everyone forgot our best players little sister was killed moments before this series tipped off. How can folks give up on this roster without recognizing the effect that's had on our performance?
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Its as if everyone forgot our best players little sister was killed moments before this series tipped off. How can folks give up on this roster without recognizing the effect that's had on our performance?
I agree it has affected us and our players reacted in the worse way. Ideally, if this happened you would think you would pick up the slack for your grieving team mate. Instead, we seem to have embraced it as everyone's problem or excuse to not play well. I think we know as a team that IT is the core of our team right now. Our guys know if he slumps then we will lose badly.
I think Ainge has stated that we are not contending for this year as well. This has to affect guys when they hear that. Why would you play your heart out if you heard that?
Playoff basketball is different. Our play during the regular season is meaningless. Teams know they can rough up IT more in the playoff because the refs let people play more. CLE did this to us and now CHI is doing it.
Where is the Celtics pride? Where is the hustle? The 50/50 balls grinding spirit? The fight to the end?
I don't see that, and it makes me very angry.
I agree. The effort is not there. We are an effort team like it or not. We have to play hard to win. If we don't our lack of scoring, talent, and rebounding is exposed. Time to come to play or go home.
GO CELTICS!
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I think we all understand the Stevens doesn't have the horses to win a title. They won 50 games though. You can't have it both ways.
This team isn't tough. This is why we see leads evaporate. This is why we see the lack of rebounding. We don't see any adjustments that work. Stevens can't get this team to elevate it's play to playoff basketball.
Shakeup the lineup, get a technical foul, yell at a player in front of the team. I want to see them fight and not just jack up 3s and not be held accountable for poor possessions and bad shots.
I will keep saying it. Stevens needs better assistant coaches...NBA coaches that can help him more with game to game adjustments. This is a college staff and we need someone to show Celtic Pride....whether it be a coach or player.
I asked a month ago...when will Stevens start winning big games. Now we're losing home playoff games. Teams are punking us and taking our lunch.
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Lol.
Brad Stevens isnt going anywhere.
The unfortunate tragedy that affected IT has affected the entire team.Terrible timing but that's not what's important here.
Jesus guys calm the fck down. We've had a great season for our roster. This current squad is going to be very different once we are true contenders. Our coach has done amazing job, unfortunately we are playing poorly and the Bulls are playing out of their minds.
Calm the fck down every one!
This.
Its as if everyone forgot our best players little sister was killed moments before this series tipped off. How can folks give up on this roster without recognizing the effect that's had on our performance?
Isaiah gets a pass from me. I'm impressed he is even playing. He's doing his best given the circumstances.
His teammates have completely failed to step up for him. They don't get a pass.
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Lol.
Brad Stevens isnt going anywhere.
The unfortunate tragedy that affected IT has affected the entire team.Terrible timing but that's not what's important here.
Jesus guys calm the fck down. We've had a great season for our roster. This current squad is going to be very different once we are true contenders. Our coach has done amazing job, unfortunately we are playing poorly and the Bulls are playing out of their minds.
Calm the fck down every one!
This.
Its as if everyone forgot our best players little sister was killed moments before this series tipped off. How can folks give up on this roster without recognizing the effect that's had on our performance?
Isaiah gets a pass from me. I'm impressed he is even playing. He's doing his best given the circumstances.
His teammates have completely failed to step up for him. They don't get a pass.
I agree. We have a bunch of bench, role players that aren't ready for primetime.
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Guys remember how not tanking helped build a winning environment? ::)
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Role players can overachieve and win regular season .
You need stars to overachieve to win playoff games .
This is mostly not in Stevens .
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Stevens is not one of the main problems with the team.
People are angry and looking for that one explanation for what's going on. Well, it's not that easy. The reality is that it's much more complicated. There are a bunch of things happening all at the same time:
1) The team dynamics have been affected by IT's personal tragedy. There's clearly an effect, and not just on IT.
2) The Celtics drew a team that's not a true 8 seed. The Bulls are better than their seeding or record indicates.
3) The Bulls are playing out of their minds. Doing great chasing the C's off the 3-point line, hitting shots they wouldn't normally hit, playing with incredible energy. The team is playing their best basketball of the year, while the Celtics are playing their worst.
4) The Celtics lack a second "alpha"-type and it's showing as things get tighter in the playoffs. Pack the paint and force IT to dish, but the problem is that the role players haven't been able to capitalize. That's one explanation for why they've been better in the regular season than the playoffs.
5) The Celtics lack size. Your starting guards are 5'9" and 6'2", and you have no one beefy at the 4 or 5 positions. You can get punished by a team with size.
It's not as satisfying as just throwing your hands up and saying "It's Stevens's fault!" or "Fire Ainge!" or "We shoulda got Cousins" or something. But this is the truth.
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2) The Celtics drew a team that's not a true 8 seed. The Bulls are better than their seeding or record indicates
Ed, I would also put forth we are worse than our seeding. CLE is hands down the best team in the east.
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Stevens is not one of the main problems with the team.
People are angry and looking for that one explanation for what's going on. Well, it's not that easy. The reality is that it's much more complicated. There are a bunch of things happening all at the same time:
1) The team dynamics have been affected by IT's personal tragedy. There's clearly an effect, and not just on IT.
2) The Celtics drew a team that's not a true 8 seed. The Bulls are better than their seeding or record indicates.
3) The Bulls are playing out of their minds. Doing great chasing the C's off the 3-point line, hitting shots they wouldn't normally hit, playing with incredible energy. The team is playing their best basketball of the year, while the Celtics are playing their worst.
4) The Celtics lack a second "alpha"-type and it's showing as things get tighter in the playoffs. Pack the paint and force IT to dish, but the problem is that the role players haven't been able to capitalize. That's one explanation for why they've been better in the regular season than the playoffs.
5) The Celtics lack size. Your starting guards are 5'9" and 6'2", and you have no one beefy at the 4 or 5 positions. You can get punished by a team with size.
It's not as satisfying as just throwing your hands up and saying "It's Stevens's fault!" or "Fire Ainge!" or "We shoulda got Cousins" or something. But this is the truth.
Good synopsis but we knew all this at the beginning of the season, mid season and now. How do you equate it with winning 50 games? Playoff basketball is about game to game adjustments and I haven't seen it. We need to elevate or change the rotation or starters. Maybe start Zeller and let him bang Lopez. Maybe bring Green in since this is a more athletic team. Maybe go bigger to offset the rebounding and sacrifice somewhere else. Get them out of their comfort zone.
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Lol.
Brad Stevens isnt going anywhere.
The unfortunate tragedy that affected IT has affected the entire team.Terrible timing but that's not what's important here.
Jesus guys calm the fck down. We've had a great season for our roster. This current squad is going to be very different once we are true contenders. Our coach has done amazing job, unfortunately we are playing poorly and the Bulls are playing out of their minds.
Calm the fck down every one!
This.
Its as if everyone forgot our best players little sister was killed moments before this series tipped off. How can folks give up on this roster without recognizing the effect that's had on our performance?
Isaiah gets a pass from me. I'm impressed he is even playing. He's doing his best given the circumstances.
His teammates have completely failed to step up for him. They don't get a pass.
Exactly. IT gets a pass, but nobody else does.
We're the #1 seed playing like a bunch of headless chicken. As Avery said, we can't use the tragedy as an excuse, or we have already lost the series.
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Stevens is not one of the main problems with the team.
People are angry and looking for that one explanation for what's going on. Well, it's not that easy. The reality is that it's much more complicated. There are a bunch of things happening all at the same time:
1) The team dynamics have been affected by IT's personal tragedy. There's clearly an effect, and not just on IT.
2) The Celtics drew a team that's not a true 8 seed. The Bulls are better than their seeding or record indicates.
3) The Bulls are playing out of their minds. Doing great chasing the C's off the 3-point line, hitting shots they wouldn't normally hit, playing with incredible energy. The team is playing their best basketball of the year, while the Celtics are playing their worst.
4) The Celtics lack a second "alpha"-type and it's showing as things get tighter in the playoffs. Pack the paint and force IT to dish, but the problem is that the role players haven't been able to capitalize. That's one explanation for why they've been better in the regular season than the playoffs.
5) The Celtics lack size. Your starting guards are 5'9" and 6'2", and you have no one beefy at the 4 or 5 positions. You can get punished by a team with size.
It's not as satisfying as just throwing your hands up and saying "It's Stevens's fault!" or "Fire Ainge!" or "We shoulda got Cousins" or something. But this is the truth.
Good synopsis but we knew all this at the beginning of the season, mid season and now. How do you equate it with winning 50 games? Playoff basketball is about game to game adjustments and I haven't seen it. We need to elevate or change the rotation or starters. Maybe start Zeller and let him bang Lopez. Maybe bring Green in since this is a more athletic team. Maybe go bigger to offset the rebounding and sacrifice somewhere else. Get them out of their comfort zone.
Think about what you just wrote. Counting on Tyler Zeller in a playoff series? One of the worst players in the league? That a definite roster problem.
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I think Stevens had generally more success with these players than any other coach could expect to have
I think that if Stevens is even half the NBA coach he wants to be, he will define success by what his team accomplishes in the playoffs.
He has had no answers this series. If this was against Toronto, or Cleveland, I could understand. This is against a team that backed its way into the playoffs, and I give Chicago a lot of credit for the way they are playing now.
I also think that it is ridiculous for anyone to be a Stevens apologist today. He has not been good this series and the team was embarrassed at home. His team has been unprepared. He deserves a lot of criticism.
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The series is not over. So I assume Bill Belichick was a horrible coach in the Super Bowl until they had that miraculous comeback? Give it a rest.
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My concern is that I feel Stevens is too much of a nice guy. I just don't see enough fire or fury within him. I can't help but feel this team has a bit of a soft nature, and I'm worried that a lot of it comes from him.
This was a major problem for me last night. I don't need to see fire, or yelling, or whatever. But it was clear that some players on the Celtics roster were out to lunch. Jerebko went berserk on the sideline after the Felicio dunk because he was a DNP to allow other players to not give a crap. At least I know JJ will try. Brad is in control of that - you don't play defense, you don't play.
There was a time within the past few years that you could always count on this squad to give maximum effort, even if they were getting blown out. That doesn't happen anymore, and that is partly on the coach.
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I doubt it's Stevens. Ainge didn't fix the holes in the team at the trade deadline, mainly the rebounding, which could have been improved cheaply. And the Bulls have capitalized on that. They were 2-2 regular season, so Bulls figured to be tough for them.
I don't think Ainge factored in the possibility of finishing #1 seed this year. He was more concerned with preserving his cap position going into the draft season. A missed opportunity.
What does concern me about Stevens is I heard Ainge say he has equal say with himself and Wyc on player personnel. That surprised me--a young coach coming out of college with no NBA experience has player personnel say? I think he should have an input, like any coach, but not an equal say. Maybe that explains why a bench player like Zeller, a favorite of Stevens from Indiana, gets $8M while IT carries the team for less. That can't go over well in the locker room. And, maybe more importantly, Ainge's unwillingness to improve obvious weaknesses at the trade deadline may be affecting team effort post season.
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I see a bunch of Doubting Thomases here.
It's easy to criticize and point fingers when things don't go well.
Did you forget Stevens is the guy that coached this team to the #1 seed overall in the East even without the perfect pool of players?
He can't step on the court and rebound. He wasn't the one underperforming out there.
Do tweaks need to be made? Of course? Are guys underperforming? It's obvious. Are there holes in the roster? Of course.
But the talk in this thread so far is simply knee jerk reactionism. You forgot the horse that got us here in the first place.
And who could have predicted IT's sister would be killed in a car accident right before the playoffs start? Who could have predicted the entire team comes out flat at home?
Nobody. But life is unpredictable.
For TRUE FANS. It's time to STAND BY your team. Bad times come. But they will come to pass.
Now is the time to see the true CHARACTER of this team. I expect them to bounce back if they are truly mentally TOUGH.
Let's watch this all the way till the end, shall we? Are or some of you just fair weather fans, waiting to turn the minute things get a little rough? Boston sports fans are too spoiled by success. Learn to get through the thick AND the THIN guys! STAND BY YOUR TEAM!
Go Celtics!!!
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My thing with Stevens is not to say he's bad now that the team has looked much worse than expected this post-season.
Yeah, stuff happens.
Also -- stuff ALWAYS happens in the playoffs. That's what makes winning a title such a sweet accomplishment. It's not just about winning games you ought to win. It's about overcoming bad matchups and stuff going on off the court, and holding the team together in good times and bad, and getting lucky.
Stevens is a good coach. He's been at the helm as this team has gone from a bottom 5 record in a tank year all the way to the #1 seed in the East, even if it was a weak year to be #1.
All of that said, he hasn't earned "great coach" status yet. You need to prove it in the playoffs to do that. That's all I'm saying. Many times I've seen Brad touted as the Celts' greatest asset. It's not true. Maybe he will be one day. He needs to figure out the playoffs first.
Carlisle, Spoelstra, Popovich, D'Antoni, Thibodeau, Brooks, Budenholzer, Rivers, Kerr ... all have steered their teams to multiple playoff series victories.
Brad has the goods to get to their level some day, but he isn't there yet. And yeah, it'll help when he has the chance to coach the kind of talent some of those coaches got to coach.
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Call it whaterver you want. Im not saying fire Brad, but this is a bad look no matter how you twist it. Even Doc had a better record with the Magic.
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Call it whaterver you want. Im not saying fire Brad, but this is a bad look no matter how you twist it. Even Doc had a better record with the Magic.
Until you take into account that we haven't had a frontcourt in 4 years, but instead a roster of undersized, largely one-way guards.
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Call it whaterver you want. Im not saying fire Brad, but this is a bad look no matter how you twist it. Even Doc had a better record with the Magic.
Until you take into account that we haven't had a frontcourt in 4 years, but instead a roster of undersized, largely one-way guards.
Still a bad look, regardless of circumstance. If Brad can at least squeezed 2 or 3 more wins despite losing the series, it wouldn't look so bad.
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Hire KG as assistant coach
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Hire KG as assistant coach
Hell yes hoping he teaches Zizic, Yabu and Mickey on playing tough and scare the vets into actually playing defense and grabbing caroms
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Call it whaterver you want. Im not saying fire Brad, but this is a bad look no matter how you twist it. Even Doc had a better record with the Magic.
Until you take into account that we haven't had a frontcourt in 4 years, but instead a roster of undersized, largely one-way guards.
Still a bad look, regardless of circumstance. If Brad can at least squeezed 2 or 3 more wins despite losing the series, it wouldn't look so bad.
I agree that Stevens deserves some blame, but he's very limited right now. If Ainge doesn't manage a better roster for next season, primarily with a frontcourt upgrade, this team will not improve. This playoff series may also reduce the likelihood that FAs sign with Boston, and you have to figure relative trade values are dropping right now.
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Not cool I know, but I just don't care about this year anymore. I just want the Celtics to play well so people will tone down the Sky is Falling stuff..
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Not cool I know, but I just don't care about this year anymore. I just want the Celtics to play well so people will tone down the Sky is Falling stuff..
Me neither. All I asked for the playoffs is get out of the first round, but it seems that is also too much for this current core.
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Losing is acceptable as long as you put up a fight.
There was no fight the first 2 games (except first 5mn of game 2).
I know they face emotional adversity plus a team that is playing way better than what they supposed to, but go and fight, come on Cs, show us what you got !!!
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Stevens is Definitely the answer.. The youth of this team is the future.. Brown, Smart 17 and possibly 18.. This is why we signed CBS for as long as we did.. DA knew this team was not on par with the Elite teams in the league.. Adding cousins was not going to make our guards taller.. and on-top of that to Ignore the fact that he is an emotional train-wreck who cant keep his feelings in check is beyond desperate..
IF you were honest with yourself you would know that regardless of seeding - the Bulls were a better PLAYOFF team than us.. PLAYOFF Rondo is better than anybody on our team.. You saw the guy Basically coaching the team on the sideline - leading like he lead Paul, KG and Ray..Experience in the playoffs trumps all.. Wade has been to the promised land multiple times... They have bigger, tougher bigs than we have, They have a Star Closer, multiple Scoring options who can create their own shots.. What did we think was going to happen in this series..
This is not Stevens fault.. We need ELITE Talent that we can grow into champions.. Brown was a start..
PS the Bulls are not a contender.. Beating them will/would not have put us any closer to anything important..
How good of a future are our young people though? The Brooklyn picks are still unknowns and I won't get into the controversy about whether Danny is a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit. I'd say he's gone 1 out of 2 so far in the top 6.
Let's be real. The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they have brighter future cores than ours. The Sixers could have two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster.
I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it. He's less of a prospect than Wiggins, he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton. Jaylen is less of a prospect than Towns and the Greek Freak both. That doesn't even include Lavine's upside, another Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).
Even if the future is out time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 5 young core/asset pool?
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Ok look, now that Rondo is out. This series is on Stevens.
He's got to figure out a gameplan and motivate these guys to win this series. He's been given a gift.
If he can't pull this team out of this series, I have some serious questions whether he is a NBA coach ready to go to the next level. Good regular season coach, but the playoffs are where the money is and where adjustments are made.
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Ok look, now that Rondo is out. This series is on Stevens.
He's got to figure out a gameplan and motivate these guys to win this series. He's been given a gift.
If he can't pull this team out of this series, I have some serious questions whether he is a NBA coach ready to go to the next level. Good regular season coach, but the playoffs are where the money is and where adjustments are made.
Stevens did make adjustments last postseason by inserting Jerebko into the starting lineup over Sullinger after the Celts dropped games 1 and 2 to Atlanta, which helped us come back and win games 3 and 4. I think Stevens is capable of making adjustments, I think it may actually be one of his strong suits.
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Ok great, if we are shooting brick after brick from 3, then that's when I want adjustments...not just with the starting lineup. When the other team is making crazy runs, that's when I would like to see adjustments.
I'm not blaming him, I just want to see something different from the players.
We can tell when a coach loses a game (see the Pacers) and when the players lose a game (see game 2)
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Losing is acceptable as long as you put up a fight.
There was no fight the first 2 games (except first 5mn of game 2).
I know they face emotional adversity plus a team that is playing way better than what they supposed to, but go and fight, come on Cs, show us what you got !!!
Actually there was fighting...amongst the Celtics themselves.
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Not gonna read the entire thread so forgive any repetition of other people's thoughts.
Brad Stevens has limited playoff experience. Hoiberg has outcoached him so far which is saying as lot b/c Hoiberg is not a great coach.
That said, it is ridiculous to get rid of Stevens. With very little talent, he has improved the team's win total for 3 years in row and then got the #1 seed this year with 53 wins. That is darn good for a brand-new NBA coach.
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It is amazing how it has been objectively proven that being over-reactionary and firing/dumping everyone at the first sign of trouble is what every joke franchise does in all sports. The good franchises in all sports maintain stability and continuity and work to get better through adversity. Ainge and Stevens are both smart, talented, and know what they are doing. I want them in charge of the Celtics for as long as possible. Quick fix fires are always a short-sighted mirage, but keyboard warriors will call for them after every loss regardless of the objective evidence that it is wildly ineffective.
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What was the question?
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What was the question?
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