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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on April 16, 2017, 05:24:19 PM
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245634/Kristaps-Porzingis-Taking-Extended-Trip-To-Latvia-As-Frustrations-Grow
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Danny
Catch a plane .....follow him ......
Bring cash .
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I would love to have him, but NYK has no reason to move him right now. KP has no leverage.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
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Phil Jackson can do no wrong..............
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
Agree with everything except for Towns being on this list. Minny isn't perfect but I wouldn't classify them as poorly run.
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Where does it say he may not return to NY?
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Where does it say he may not return to NY?
The thread title is misleading. He is going to stay in Latvia until he is required to report back to NY for training camp
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I would love to have him, but NYK has no reason to move him right now. KP has no leverage.
He can sit out, not show up, tell them to bite his butt ....they'll have to trade him. ......too embrassing to keep someone who hate on your organization 24/7
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I would love to have him, but NYK has no reason to move him right now. KP has no leverage.
He can sit out, not show up, tell them to bite his butt ....they'll have to trade him. ......too embrassing to keep someone who hate on your organization 24/7
He's under contract. Pretty sure he'd be in breach and would face repercussions under CBA guidelines.
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I would love to have him, but NYK has no reason to move him right now. KP has no leverage.
He can sit out, not show up, tell them to bite his butt ....they'll have to trade him. ......too embrassing to keep someone who hate on your organization 24/7
He's under contract. Pretty sure he'd be in breach and would face repercussions under CBA guidelines.
Loss of pay, but I'm not sure what else happens to a holdout. He couldn't play in any respectable foreign leagues either.
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Celtics need to send a spy to Latvia and convince him to demand a trade, outright.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
The fans on this site should keep this in mind next time they bash our organization. When we land good players we actually know what to do with them.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
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Phil Jackson can do no wrong..............
Red Auerbach couldn't stand Jackson - always thought he got way too much credit for the success of the both Bulls and Lakers. He was 100% correct.
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Phil Jackson can do no wrong..............
Red Auerbach couldn't stand Jackson - always thought he got way too much credit for the success of the both Bulls and Lakers. He was 100% correct.
Phil won 11 titles, but do you think that he ever had less talent than his oponents during each of those runs?
IMO the closest were Portland 2000, Sac 2002 and the 1998 Jazz (only cause they were depleted, in game 6 Pip had a stiff back and Rodman was half done.) It is true that some other coaches had MJ, Pip, Shaq and Kobe, but Phil had them during their primes. Our 2010 team was less talented as they had prime Kobe and the leagues best frontcourt.
As for KP I think this is just NY media trying to stir something during the Knicks dog days. Perhaps even creating a topic they can strech out and use for the whole summer.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
Maybe by immediate family. Maybe.
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Can we just put KO on a United Flight to Latvia and bring Porzingis here... :P :laugh:
Maybe put a convincing disguise on him..
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
Yeah, like Lebron, Durant, Griffin, Wade... oh, wait.
Maybe the problem is that it is impossible for all 32 teams to have winning records. Winning is a zero sum game.
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Knicks will not trade him this year. Sorry to be a party pooper. Hopefully we go after George.
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Knicks will not trade him this year. Sorry to be a party pooper. Hopefully we go after George.
I mean I don't think any of us realistically expected him to be traded anyways lol.
I don't think George comes here because he's an expiring. If he agrees to a long term commitment, then absolutely. But otherwise he's an expiring who could just bolt for LA in 2 seasons. Ainge isn't blowing assets to let that happen.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
Maybe by immediate family. Maybe.
Hey Cousins is plenty likable when you mainly see him as a stat line on your fantasy roster.
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Knicks will not trade him this year. Sorry to be a party pooper. Hopefully we go after George.
While I don't think they are likely to deal him, if you offer them the #1 pick in this draft plus the 2018 Nets pick, I'm confident they will strongly consider it. The draft lottery will have a big impact on our offseason plans.
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Knicks will not trade him this year. Sorry to be a party pooper. Hopefully we go after George.
While I don't think they are likely to deal him, if you offer them the #1 pick in this draft plus the 2018 Nets pick, I'm confident they will strongly consider it. The draft lottery will have a big impact on our offseason plans.
I think BOTH Nets picks may be too much, given the expectations of the top-5 in each drafts.
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Knicks will not trade him this year. Sorry to be a party pooper. Hopefully we go after George.
While I don't think they are likely to deal him, if you offer them the #1 pick in this draft plus the 2018 Nets pick, I'm confident they will strongly consider it. The draft lottery will have a big impact on our offseason plans.
I think BOTH Nets picks may be too much, given the expectations of the top-5 in each drafts.
Possibly, yes. But if you want a young talent like Porzingis, that's what it would likely take. We know what he can do in the NBA already. We don't know what Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum can do, and we don't know where the 2018 Nets pick will land yet.
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This article is a direct slap in the face to the Zen Master. Phill can't keep coaches because they hate the triangle, so do the players.
Phil thinks his coaching and the triangle offense had something to do with all his rings. He forgets about the luck of having, Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
I wouldn't be so fast to take Minnesota off the list of teams that don't know what they are doing. Here are their last 13 years worth of wins per season:
2005 - 44
33
32
22
24
15
17
26
31
40
16
29
2017 - 31
They had what many thought was an exciting core when they had Love in his 3rd year, Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams as rookies, and Pekovic as a 2nd year player. What happened? Towns, Wiggins, Lavine isn't exactly a great defensive core. They can score but good teams defend and those guys aren't very good at that even with Thibs. Last year the TWolves had the highest Drtg they have ever had.
The ghost of David Kahn may still live in Minny. I am not about to take them off the list of poorly run franchises.
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Danny
Catch a plane .....follow him ......
Bring cash .
And some draft picks
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
I wouldn't be so fast to take Minnesota off the list of teams that don't know what they are doing. Here are their last 13 years worth of wins per season:
2005 - 44
33
32
22
24
15
17
26
31
40
16
29
2017 - 31
They had what many thought was an exciting core when they had Love in his 3rd year, Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams as rookies, and Pekovic as a 2nd year player. What happened? Towns, Wiggins, Lavine isn't exactly a great defensive core. They can score but good teams defend and those guys aren't very good at that even with Thibs. Last year the TWolves had the highest Drtg they have ever had.
The ghost of David Kahn may still live in Minny. I am not about to take them off the list of poorly run franchises.
I agree. In fact, drafting Kris Dunn was a classic Kahn move, not only a dud, but a PG dud, when you already have a very good PG.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
I wouldn't be so fast to take Minnesota off the list of teams that don't know what they are doing. Here are their last 13 years worth of wins per season:
2005 - 44
33
32
22
24
15
17
26
31
40
16
29
2017 - 31
They had what many thought was an exciting core when they had Love in his 3rd year, Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams as rookies, and Pekovic as a 2nd year player. What happened? Towns, Wiggins, Lavine isn't exactly a great defensive core. They can score but good teams defend and those guys aren't very good at that even with Thibs. Last year the TWolves had the highest Drtg they have ever had.
The ghost of David Kahn may still live in Minny. I am not about to take them off the list of poorly run franchises.
I agree. In fact, drafting Kris Dunn was a classic Kahn move, not only a dud, but a PG dud, when you already have a very good PG.
Wasn't their premise of drafting Dunn to be used as trade bait for Butler?
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
I wouldn't be so fast to take Minnesota off the list of teams that don't know what they are doing. Here are their last 13 years worth of wins per season:
2005 - 44
33
32
22
24
15
17
26
31
40
16
29
2017 - 31
They had what many thought was an exciting core when they had Love in his 3rd year, Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams as rookies, and Pekovic as a 2nd year player. What happened? Towns, Wiggins, Lavine isn't exactly a great defensive core. They can score but good teams defend and those guys aren't very good at that even with Thibs. Last year the TWolves had the highest Drtg they have ever had.
The ghost of David Kahn may still live in Minny. I am not about to take them off the list of poorly run franchises.
I agree. In fact, drafting Kris Dunn was a classic Kahn move, not only a dud, but a PG dud, when you already have a very good PG.
Wasn't their premise of drafting Dunn to be used as trade bait for Butler?
No, that was our premise. Their premise was that Dunn would be so good he would quickly replace Rubio and fit with their younger core, and they would trade Rubio.
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Totally misleading title.It doesnt say anywhere that he "may not return to NY as result of frustrations"
Just says hes going to take his time coming back.
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
I wouldn't be so fast to take Minnesota off the list of teams that don't know what they are doing. Here are their last 13 years worth of wins per season:
2005 - 44
33
32
22
24
15
17
26
31
40
16
29
2017 - 31
They had what many thought was an exciting core when they had Love in his 3rd year, Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams as rookies, and Pekovic as a 2nd year player. What happened? Towns, Wiggins, Lavine isn't exactly a great defensive core. They can score but good teams defend and those guys aren't very good at that even with Thibs. Last year the TWolves had the highest Drtg they have ever had.
The ghost of David Kahn may still live in Minny. I am not about to take them off the list of poorly run franchises.
I agree. In fact, drafting Kris Dunn was a classic Kahn move, not only a dud, but a PG dud, when you already have a very good PG.
Wasn't their premise of drafting Dunn to be used as trade bait for Butler?
No, that was our premise. Their premise was that Dunn would be so good he would quickly replace Rubio and fit with their younger core, and they would trade Rubio.
Dunn has to be the big bust of the draft so far, right? The other top picks are all still youngsters, except for Hield who ended up showing some flashes after he got traded.
It's obviously still early, but I suspect you could find 10 guys taken after him who have higher trade value as of right now.
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Whelp, and looks like Carmelo Anthony and his wife La La are divorced as well.
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Whelp, and looks like Carmelo Anthony and his wife La La are divorced as well.
Not divorced, just separated
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This is the frustrating thing about the draft lottery ... seeing exciting, likable young players have their best years wasted by crappy organizations.
Porzingis, Davis, Towns, Cousins ... these guys should be the next wave of mega stars in the league, but they're only seen in next-day highlights because their teams are so poorly run.
I don't know about Towns, they have a very exciting team to watch and grow. I believe the direction of the team changed once they hired Tom Thibs, only time can tell where they will be 3-5 years from now but a lineup of
Lavine/Wiggins/Towns is very exciting
I wouldn't be so fast to take Minnesota off the list of teams that don't know what they are doing. Here are their last 13 years worth of wins per season:
2005 - 44
33
32
22
24
15
17
26
31
40
16
29
2017 - 31
They had what many thought was an exciting core when they had Love in his 3rd year, Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams as rookies, and Pekovic as a 2nd year player. What happened? Towns, Wiggins, Lavine isn't exactly a great defensive core. They can score but good teams defend and those guys aren't very good at that even with Thibs. Last year the TWolves had the highest Drtg they have ever had.
The ghost of David Kahn may still live in Minny. I am not about to take them off the list of poorly run franchises.
I agree. In fact, drafting Kris Dunn was a classic Kahn move, not only a dud, but a PG dud, when you already have a very good PG.
Wasn't their premise of drafting Dunn to be used as trade bait for Butler?
No, that was our premise. Their premise was that Dunn would be so good he would quickly replace Rubio and fit with their younger core, and they would trade Rubio.
Dunn has to be the big bust of the draft so far, right? The other top picks are all still youngsters, except for Hield who ended up showing some flashes after he got traded.
It's obviously still early, but I suspect you could find 10 guys taken after him who have higher trade value as of right now.
Dunn really has been a massive disappointment. I'd rather have Rozier, who is the same age, but without the injury history.
Dunn and Brown were my two binkies in the draft this year, but boy, was I wrong about Dunn.
With his athleticism and handle maybe he can turn it around, but his scoring efficiency really needs to improve.
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Whelp, and looks like Carmelo Anthony and his wife La La are divorced as well.
Not divorced, just separated
I think La La is/was a big part of Carmelo being stubborn about the no trade clause. For business reasons she kind of has to be in either NY or LA.
Weirdly, them being separated, more than anything else, makes me think Carmelo getting traded is inevitable.
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Whelp, and looks like Carmelo Anthony and his wife La La are divorced as well.
Not divorced, just separated
I think La La is/was a big part of Carmelo being stubborn about the no trade clause. For business reasons she kind of has to be in either NY or LA.
Weirdly, them being separated, more than anything else, makes me think Carmelo getting traded is inevitable.
Same here. When I first saw it, I actually thought it was solely about him getting traded and her not wanting to move.
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Carmelo to the Clippers just makes too much sense.
Doc doesn't want to blow it up and the Clips need another scorer (because DeAndre Jordan as part of your "big 3" won't cut it).
His price is low as well, and I'm sure Melo would love another big market in LA.
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Carmelo to the Clippers just makes too much sense.
Doc doesn't want to blow it up and the Clips need another scorer (because DeAndre Jordan as part of your "big 3" won't cut it).
His price is low as well, and I'm sure Melo would love another big market in LA.
That all sounds good but what can the Clippers give up that NY would take?
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Carmelo to the Clippers just makes too much sense.
Doc doesn't want to blow it up and the Clips need another scorer (because DeAndre Jordan as part of your "big 3" won't cut it).
His price is low as well, and I'm sure Melo would love another big market in LA.
That all sounds good bu what can the Clippers give up that NY would take?
Best I can do is Crawford, Wesley Johnson, and Bass non-guaranteed, Pierce partial guaranteed, and 1st round picks in 2022 and 2024. That's $21 million in salary next year, and $3 million the following year, or $9 million of Wes Johnson picks up his $6 million player option. Let's them nominally still compete during the first half of the year, and then ship out Crawford at the deadline for something else.
But they'd have to wait at least 5 drafts from now to get a 1st, and get potentially no cost savings if Anthony opts out and Johnson doesn't. The Clippers don't exactly have a treasure trove of contracts and picks to send
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Carmelo to the Clippers just makes too much sense.
Doc doesn't want to blow it up and the Clips need another scorer (because DeAndre Jordan as part of your "big 3" won't cut it).
His price is low as well, and I'm sure Melo would love another big market in LA.
That all sounds good but what can the Clippers give up that NY would take?
Best I can do is Crawford, Wesley Johnson, and Bass non-guaranteed, Pierce partial guaranteed, and 1st round picks in 2022 and 2024. That's $21 million in salary next year, and $3 million the following year, or $9 million of Wes Johnson picks up his $6 million player option. Let's them nominally still compete during the first half of the year, and then ship out Crawford at the deadline for something else.
But they'd have to wait at least 5 drafts from now to get a 1st, and get potentially no cost savings if Anthony opts out and Johnson doesn't. The Clippers don't exactly have a treasure trove of contracts and picks to send
Exactly. I don't see any way the Knicks would let Anthony go for 2 picks that they'd have to wait 5 years to get and filler. There doesn't seem to be a deal there.
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Melo needs a massive new contract ....
To pay for the huge divorce settlement ......and ...
His NEW family ;D
Danny needs to leave for Latvia too.....not return home without the Kid wanting to play in Boston.
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I'm glad that I'm not in Knicks management but what shall they do with this mess. They have overpaid for several old players that are no-tradable and at the same time they got a huge talent like KP, that won't wait for ages on a losing team.
The main problems as I see it is:
Anthony and Noah, but I also believe that Lee's major contract is also a huge problem.
I think they need to get Griffin, but to that they need to free up some wages even though they do not resign Rose, if they should keep Anthony. Even if they do that, they will have problems on the guard-positions.
I think the other option is to blow it all up and try to get as much as possible for the assets they have. Melo to clippers is an obvious trade as he would be a perfect fit.
If they choose this option I also think that should try to get as much for kp as possible as he will leave if they are not competing when he becomes a free agent in two years time.
The rest of the plan is to get as many picks and young talents and good lockerroom-guys to help the youngsters develop and then begin to tank without losing on purpose but just playing talents not yet developed.
What would you do?
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I'm glad that I'm not in Knicks management but what shall they do with this mess. They have overpaid for several old players that are no-tradable and at the same time they got a huge talent like KP, that won't wait for ages on a losing team.
The main problems as I see it is:
Anthony and Noah, but I also believe that Lee's major contract is also a huge problem.
I think they need to get Griffin, but to that they need to free up some wages even though they do not resign Rose, if they should keep Anthony. Even if they do that, they will have problems on the guard-positions.
I think the other option is to blow it all up and try to get as much as possible for the assets they have. Melo to clippers is an obvious trade as he would be a perfect fit.
If they choose this option I also think that should try to get as much for kp as possible as he will leave if they are not competing when he becomes a free agent in two years time.
The rest of the plan is to get as many picks and young talents and good lockerroom-guys to help the youngsters develop and then begin to tank without losing on purpose but just playing talents not yet developed.
What would you do?
I'd really tank if I were them, I'd trade Carmelo to the Clips for expiring deals and a few second round picks. I'd then draft a guard like Dennis Smith or Frank Nitilkina and pray that he develops. Also I'd release Noah or Lee (depends on who has a worse contract) to teams not looking to contend and give them those 2nds acquired from the clips as compensation, maybe even a protected first round draft pick. I'd then go and try to sign a young guy with star potential to the max like Otto Porter and then build around the FA, pick and Porzingis while keeping some vets to be good locker room presences like O'Quinn and the remaining bad contract. I'd then tank like hell to get inside the protection lol and pick another guy for filling any more holes. After that it's trying to get progressively better
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The problem as I see it is that it will probably cost a bit more than a few second rounders to get rid of Lee and Noahs contracts. I really can't see who would be willing to take then on unless they get paid really well.
The second thing is that I think kp wouldn't be happy on the team and why should they will have to overpay him massively on two years time to keep him maybe even a max contract and that might not even be enough.
I really think they are in a bad position and they might have to sell kp to get some value to build on. If they do Boston could be a great place for a hard working guy like him! ;)
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The Knicks would have absolutely no issue trading Lee. He's actually a valuable player -- he's just in a dysfunctional situation with the Knicks. Noah's the only one they'd have to use assets to dump.
Porzingis isn't going anywhere anytime soon, let's not fool ourselves. The Knicks will offer him a max contract extension after next season and he'll sign it because no one ever turns down a max contract extension coming off their rookie deal. The last notable guy to go the qualifying option route was Greg Monroe -- and that was largely because the Pistons didn't offer him a full-on max.
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We disagree on Lee's contract. He is on the contract until 2020 and the contract is growing as he is declining. He's 32 now and is almost getting paid 12 mio next season. I agree he is no way near as bad a contract as Noah, but it's still not a good contract.
Who will take on Lee's contract without being somehow paid for it?
When it comes to kp's contract you might be right, but I hope you're not! :)