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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: number_n9ne on April 14, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
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Jesus... what are they doing in the Big Apple. Here's a link to the Real GM article:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245621/Phil-Jackson-Confirms-Knicks-Will-Try-To-Trade-Carmelo-Anthony
"We've not been able to win with him on the court," said Jackson. "I think the direction with our team is that (Carmelo) would be better off somewhere else."
Also, here's Melos' response on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BS4OGuFDBpM/
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Watch danny trade the nets pick for Melo.
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I have a tumultuous relationship with the idea of trading for Melo, i.e. I love Olympics Melo and have soured on pouty Kincks Melo.
I still think he's an option if we strike out on Griffen and Hayward. His price is going to hit rock bottom now. Zero BKN picks needed.
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I'll trade James Young and all our 2nd rounders for Melo ;D
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Anthony has handled this with remarkable class.
Should be commended.
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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!
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it seems to me the only way this works would be to trade Horford (I like simple trades) plus maybe some lower value picks. Horford and Porzingis wouldn't be too bad together.
Who's in? Who thinks Carmelo for Horford makes us better? You have to think of this as the team for the balance of the Thomas tenure and that it is likely that Thomas finds greener pastures (no pun intended) meaning essentially one season.
Then it is Carmelo's team for one more season with a bunch of young players.
Who would give the Knicks more than this (and actually be able to match salaries without gutting the team)?
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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!
I am a bit concerned he goes to brooklyn to stay in New York.
Id take him if Griffin etc dont come through.
He is a good rebounder and underrated passer and more than provides the secondary scoring option next to Isaiah.
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it seems to me the only way this works would be to trade Horford (I like simple trades) plus maybe some lower value picks. Horford and Porzingis wouldn't be too bad together.
Who's in? Who thinks Carmelo for Horford makes us better? You have to think of this as the team for the balance of the Thomas tenure and that it is likely that Thomas finds greener pastures (no pun intended) meaning essentially one season.
Then it is Carmelo's team for one more season with a bunch of young players.
Who would give the Knicks more than this (and actually be able to match salaries without gutting the team)?
thats a huge overpay. Melo will be traded for pennies.
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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!
I am a bit concerned he goes to brooklyn to stay in New York.
Id take him if Griffin etc dont come through.
He is a good rebounder and underrated passer and more than provides the secondary scoring option next to Isaiah.
If Melo doesn't care about going to a contender, Brooklyn makes sense for him.
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his price has now got to be dirt cheap. really think we should go for him. hes a true superstar and hes hungry to win. in our system i think it could really work.
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Anthony has handled this with remarkable class.
Should be commended.
This is the surprising part. With all his "warn a brother" tattoos and "stop snitching" bull, he really has handled all this like a gentleman. I mean Phil is right, but it must hard for Carmelo when the GM tries all his best to run him out of his hometown. Kudos to Melo.
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Want NO part of Melo...Maybe a 3 way, where Love is traded here...but that's if all other options fall through.
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There is a reason why Phil so desperatly want to part with him...
Just NO
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Definitely do not want Melo. Hard to see the Knicks getting much (maybe a mid 1st rounder)especially with him having a no-trade clause. I could see him going to the Bulls or the Nets.
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Anthony has handled this with remarkable class.
Should be commended.
Whereas Phil has completely dropped the ball. Between him and Dolan, I don't see how the Knicks get any free agents anytime soon.
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The "Zen Master" has made the New York Knicks look like a hot mess for the way he's chosen to handle this.
For his supposed intelligence - which I respect - he could've did this better. He simply CANNOT be above this all.
(http://e.lvme.me/hxehfc1.jpg)
I have no doubt that Melo is a SMALL part of the problem but he's being made to be a scapegoat here.
I believe Melo has gotten better as a player over the last few years and if it wasn't for that Albatross-around-the-neck of a contract he has I'd love to see him in Green.
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Watch danny trade the nets pick for Melo.
He d better not :'(
When they traded 3/4 of the talent and assets they owned to get Melo .....what in the devil did they think would happen. They put him on a tram that was completely depleted in order to acquire him.
In Melos defense .....he was set up to fail. That was the dumbest trade ever.
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I can see Melo coming here, BUT there is no way Danny trades the Nets pick for him, ........none.
If we can snag one of Hayward/Milsap/Griffin (my least preferred because Blake's legs scare the bejeesus out of me) for NOTHING and then can get Melo for almost nothing, that's almost an ideal scenario for me. We get to keep Brown and Brooklyn 17 and 18.
Compete now, compete later.
A S&T'd Olynyk plus Zeller plus Bradley for Melo and O'Quinn or Hernangomez should do it. Add in any non-BK picks as needed.
Thomas/Rozier
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Melo/Horford/Yabs
Horford/O'Quinn/Zizic..........PLUS the Brooklyn '17 in there somewhere...OR
Thomas/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Melo/Crowder
Milsap/Melo/Yabs
Horford/O'Quinn/Zizic......PLUS the Brooklyn '17
Contending for now AND for the future.
Not sure who would have to be renounced/dumped for draft picks to do this?
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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!
I am a bit concerned he goes to brooklyn to stay in New York.
Id take him if Griffin etc dont come through.
He is a good rebounder and underrated passer and more than provides the secondary scoring option next to Isaiah.
If Melo doesn't care about going to a contender, Brooklyn makes sense for him.
I always thought that part of his issue with NY was that they have no hope of contending. Can't imagine that BKN is on his radar.
Mike
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The only way I'm touching Melo is if Porzingis is attached and we don't keep Melo. Like that's happening:
Melo, Bradley ($35M) => Utah
Hayward, Zingis ($35M) => Boston
Joe Johnson, Crowder, #1 pick ($24M) => NY
Gotta love Melo in Utah, right?
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The only way I'm touching Melo is if Porzingis is attached and we don't keep Melo. Like that's happening:
Melo, Bradley ($35M) => Utah
Hayward, Zingis ($35M) => Boston
Joe Johnson, Crowder, #1 pick ($24M) => NY
Gotta love Melo in Utah, right?
There's no way they move Porzingis if they are moving Melo. He's all they got for any hope for the future. He's the only thing Phil did right in NY.
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it seems to me the only way this works would be to trade Horford (I like simple trades) plus maybe some lower value picks. Horford and Porzingis wouldn't be too bad together.
Who's in? Who thinks Carmelo for Horford makes us better? You have to think of this as the team for the balance of the Thomas tenure and that it is likely that Thomas finds greener pastures (no pun intended) meaning essentially one season.
Then it is Carmelo's team for one more season with a bunch of young players.
Who would give the Knicks more than this (and actually be able to match salaries without gutting the team)?
This is a horrible idea, and would make the team substantially worse.
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Indiana Pacers? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kdsyb33
NYK trades Melo + Courtney Lee to Indiana in exchange for Monta Ellis, Thad Young, CJ Miles, 2017 first round pick, 2019 first round pick.
Jeff Teague, Courtney Lee, Paul George, Carmelo, and Myles Turner is a heck of a starting 5 although they would be severely lacking in bench depth.
Indy has to send two first rounders because they have to send two bad contracts to NYK in order to make salaries match.
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The only way I'm touching Melo is if Porzingis is attached and we don't keep Melo. Like that's happening:
Melo, Bradley ($35M) => Utah
Hayward, Zingis ($35M) => Boston
Joe Johnson, Crowder, #1 pick ($24M) => NY
Gotta love Melo in Utah, right?
There's no way they move Porzingis if they are moving Melo. He's all they got for any hope for the future. He's the only thing Phil did right in NY.
Their tune may change when they realize nobody will give them anything good for Melo and his $27M salary, bad attitude, and 33 year-old body.
They have 2 years of control on Porzingis and he's already upset.
Don't get me wrong, he's the last player they *want* to move, but they'd be nuts to not strongly consider it for a fresh start with Fultz.
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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!
In the summer we could trade him into our cap space. No salary would have to go back in return. We could agree a deal on draft night so that any picks involved can be selected by the right team and then sign the deal after the moratorium.
Doubt we look at trade before we have a look at Griffin and Hayward though. It may be a Plan Q..
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I've never thought much of carmelo but he has handled the situation great while phil has hurt the knicks and his own image. I don't think anthony fits on celtics unless its as a power forward as he can stretch the floor. Main issue is his huge contract that NYK gave him and his age. Portland could use him
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The only way I'm touching Melo is if Porzingis is attached and we don't keep Melo. Like that's happening:
Melo, Bradley ($35M) => Utah
Hayward, Zingis ($35M) => Boston
Joe Johnson, Crowder, #1 pick ($24M) => NY
Gotta love Melo in Utah, right?
Melo waves his No Trade clause to go to ..... UTAH ?!?!?!?!?
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I was big on acquiring Anthony at the deadline and would be all for it this summer if Boston whiffs on any free agents. Then you mostly absorb Anthony into cap space and moving a couple of wings and a 1st. I'd push for OQuinn as well. So something like Anthony and O'Quinn for Rozier, Bradley, and 2018 Boston 1st. Trade makes backcourt room for Brown and the 17 rookie along with Smart and Thomas. Crowder starts at SF with Anthony or Brown getting the backup minutes there. Anthony is the starting PF where I think he could thrive with KO backing him up. Then you have Horford with a legit backup in O'Quinn.
I think that would be a fairly reasonable fall back plan should no free agents sign in Boston.
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it seems to me the only way this works would be to trade Horford (I like simple trades) plus maybe some lower value picks. Horford and Porzingis wouldn't be too bad together.
Who's in? Who thinks Carmelo for Horford makes us better? You have to think of this as the team for the balance of the Thomas tenure and that it is likely that Thomas finds greener pastures (no pun intended) meaning essentially one season.
Then it is Carmelo's team for one more season with a bunch of young players.
Who would give the Knicks more than this (and actually be able to match salaries without gutting the team)?
This is a horrible idea, and would make the team substantially worse.
Really, Al Horford is a more valuable player than Carmelo Anthony? I wonder if Cleveland or the Clippers would see it that way. I don't see it that way. I recognize that Carmelo is not the player he once was but Horford never was that kind of player. Horford does things that don't show up in the box score, I know. I like his passing and court movement, it all helps but Carmelo could average 20+ for us. It would change the whole way that teams have to defend us. Carmelo can defend and rebound sufficiently in the role he would play on the Celtics.
Also, keep in mind that Horford is not going to be all that valuable to us in a few years. We are going to have a young team of Smart, Fultz, Brown Zizic, etc. We are going to end up trading Horford as some point anyway I predict.
Any trade for Carmelo has to match salaries, that is the main reason you have to think about Horford. I don't think giving up Horford is that big a deal at all. My hesitation with Carmelo is his knees but we only need him really for one season to make a run with IT. Then IT is probably going to sign for big money elsewhere and we start over with a very good young core.
If your case is that Carmelo's knees are shot, OK, but I do not buy that Al Horford makes us better than Carmelo otherwise. This "Carmelo sucks" narrative is overblown.
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anyone wanting Anthony here doesn't get it, apparently hasn't watched basketball the last 10 plus yrs., and I seriously question them as a Celtics fan.
he's arguably had better talent around him than pierce ever did before the big 3 era and he did nothing with it. while pierce took guys like Jiri welsch to the playoffs. sure the east was weak but outside of a couple teams since melo's been in NY the east hasn't been much better. and this waste of talent couldn't even sniff a 7th or 8th seed.
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Phil is looking more and more incompetent with that presser. Give him Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant/Shaq and he wins. Anyone less than that- no championships. New York should be so much better than they have been. I don't see how Carmelo gets all the blame and Phil slides.
As for Melo, I have no interest for the Celtics. He would fit in better with a more mature team. I also think he's going to have to take a haircut to deliver value to a team. I'm not sure how many want him to be their front-line star at this point.
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in this case between melo and phil, both are equal in blame. phil just isn't a gm and melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
if phil was the coach and probably younger the whole scenario may have played out differently. the one thing that many forget what makes a "great NBA coach"(...esp. Celtics fans) isn't their X's & O's and "knowledge" of the game, IT'S THEIR ABILITY TO MANAGE THE PERSONALITIES OF GROWN MEN MAKING MILLIONS THAT HAVE NO REASON TO LISTEN TO ANYONE. phil Jackson could do that... remember he won a title with essentially the same roster that del harris couldn't do anything with.
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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?
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Déjà-vu, effing hell.
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anyone wanting Anthony here doesn't get it, apparently hasn't watched basketball the last 10 plus yrs., and I seriously question them as a Celtics fan.
he's arguably had better talent around him than pierce ever did before the big 3 era and he did nothing with it. while pierce took guys like Jiri welsch to the playoffs. sure the east was weak but outside of a couple teams since melo's been in NY the east hasn't been much better. and this waste of talent couldn't even sniff a 7th or 8th seed.
The fact that Melo is no longer as good as a 24-28 year old Paul Pierce does not mean we shouldnt want him.
When he had talent on his team, Melo made the playoffs. Once as a 2 seed. Lets not forget, the "talent" he had was the corpse of Amare Stoudemire, a very old Tyson Chandler, JR Smith and the corpse of Chauncy Billups.
Not a great squad.
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How about this trade?
After the C's sign a free agent this summer with their cap space they send:
Olynyk
Jerebko
Zeller
Mickey
Jackson
Young
+2018 Celtics pick or 2019 Clippers pick
Receive: Carmelo
You get rid of some flotsam in Jerebko, Zeller, Mickey and Phil can cut those guys and sell this as getting a solid sixth man in Olynyk, two promising guards in Young and Jackson who just need playing time, plus a first round pick.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9f3uze
I'd do this also because it makes room on the roster for Zizic, Yabusele, Nader, 2017 Nets pick, and the new free agent acquisition.
That's six players going out and six players (including Anthony) coming in.
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Melo...
a) His best attribute has always been scoring, and he was 22nd in the league this year with the worst efficiency in the top 30. 22 points on 19 shots in an era where we almost had two guys average a triple double, and 13 guys averaged 25+.
b) He's on the decline at 33 years old. It's not getting better from here.
c) He's a lousy defender and his team is openly dumping him.
d) He makes over $26M each of the next two years.
I wouldn't TAKE him for cap space and a 2nd rounder unless I could tear up his contract (which we can't).
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Melo...
a) His best attribute has always been scoring, and he was 22nd in the league this year with the worst efficiency in the top 30. 22 points on 19 shots in an era where we almost had two guys average a triple double, and 13 guys averaged 25+.
b) He's on the decline at 33 years old. It's not getting better from here.
c) He's a lousy defender and his team is openly dumping him.
d) He makes over $26M each of the next two years.
I wouldn't TAKE him for cap space and a 2nd rounder unless I could tear up his contract (which we can't).
after this summer Boston wont have cap space anyway (unless you let evetyone go) so if you strike out in free agency you don't lose much by acquiring Anthony into it.
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Melo...
a) His best attribute has always been scoring, and he was 22nd in the league this year with the worst efficiency in the top 30. 22 points on 19 shots in an era where we almost had two guys average a triple double, and 13 guys averaged 25+.
b) He's on the decline at 33 years old. It's not getting better from here.
c) He's a lousy defender and his team is openly dumping him.
d) He makes over $26M each of the next two years.
I wouldn't TAKE him for cap space and a 2nd rounder unless I could tear up his contract (which we can't).
after this summer Boston wont have cap space anyway (unless you let evetyone go) so if you strike out in free agency you don't lose much by acquiring Anthony into it.
We lose ball movement, lockeroom chemistry and defense
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The Knicks should try to dump Jackson, along with Melo. The Zen masters incredible luck has just about run out.
He built the Knicks in accordance with the short window he personally has of being the GM, and the fans and ownership are paying for it.
I think Melo can be stolen from the Knicks, unfortunately his contract comes with him.
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The only knick I want is porzingis. Considering knicks see likely to blow up the team, we should kick the tires on kp and check what they're open to trading
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Melo...
a) His best attribute has always been scoring, and he was 22nd in the league this year with the worst efficiency in the top 30. 22 points on 19 shots in an era where we almost had two guys average a triple double, and 13 guys averaged 25+.
b) He's on the decline at 33 years old. It's not getting better from here.
c) He's a lousy defender and his team is openly dumping him.
d) He makes over $26M each of the next two years.
I wouldn't TAKE him for cap space and a 2nd rounder unless I could tear up his contract (which we can't).
after this summer Boston wont have cap space anyway (unless you let evetyone go) so if you strike out in free agency you don't lose much by acquiring Anthony into it.
We lose ball movement, lockeroom chemistry and defense
One of the most tired arguments I've ever used against Melo.
Yes his efficiency was terrible this year, did you also take a gander at the roster?
So who's going to score on that team? Rose is just as bad as holding onto the ball, and besides KP/Rose, there wasn't that much scorers on the floor.
He also hovered around 2.9 APG. Which would've honestly been like top 5 in our team, and probably would've been higher if he was slotted into Brad Steven's system.
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Melo...
a) His best attribute has always been scoring, and he was 22nd in the league this year with the worst efficiency in the top 30. 22 points on 19 shots in an era where we almost had two guys average a triple double, and 13 guys averaged 25+.
b) He's on the decline at 33 years old. It's not getting better from here.
c) He's a lousy defender and his team is openly dumping him.
d) He makes over $26M each of the next two years.
I wouldn't TAKE him for cap space and a 2nd rounder unless I could tear up his contract (which we can't).
after this summer Boston wont have cap space anyway (unless you let evetyone go) so if you strike out in free agency you don't lose much by acquiring Anthony into it.
We lose ball movement, lockeroom chemistry and defense
One of the most tired arguments I've ever used against Melo.
Yes his efficiency was terrible this year, did you also take a gander at the roster?
So who's going to score on that team? Rose is just as bad as holding onto the ball, and besides KP/Rose, there wasn't that much scorers on the floor.
He also hovered around 2.9 APG. Which would've honestly been like top 5 in our team, and probably would've been higher if he was slotted into Brad Steven's system.
he is also a much better defender at PF then he is at SF. And heven has always had a respectable AST%. And locker room issues. I mean come on Anthony is incredibly well liked
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anyone wanting Anthony here doesn't get it, apparently hasn't watched basketball the last 10 plus yrs., and I seriously question them as a Celtics fan.
he's arguably had better talent around him than pierce ever did before the big 3 era and he did nothing with it. while pierce took guys like Jiri welsch to the playoffs. sure the east was weak but outside of a couple teams since melo's been in NY the east hasn't been much better. and this waste of talent couldn't even sniff a 7th or 8th seed.
The fact that Melo is no longer as good as a 24-28 year old Paul Pierce does not mean we shouldnt want him.
When he had talent on his team, Melo made the playoffs. Once as a 2 seed. Lets not forget, the "talent" he had was the corpse of Amare Stoudemire, a very old Tyson Chandler, JR Smith and the corpse of Chauncy Billups.
Not a great squad.
melo was never as good as pierce. and i'm the most non-homer fan you'll find.
that knicks squad you mentioned was better than anything pierce had prior to the big 3. and the east was very weak then, just like when pierce was taking scrubs to the playoffs.
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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?
there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.
camby and Billups carried him.
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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?
there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.
camby and Billups carried him.
Melo hasn't had the right coach yet, unfortunately.
In some ways - look at Jordan Crawford. He was supposedly a problem child THEN Coach Brad Stevens got a hold of him and he turned into a productive NBA player.
JC went to China IIRC and NOW he's back in the NBA with a 2-year contract on a promising Pelicans team.
The right coaching can make a difference even in superstars like Melo.
Let's look at Melo's coaches...
George Karl in DEN (Not known for his Defensive acumen). Known moreso nowadays for mud-slinging and his book (with Melo being an unfortunate target).
Mike Woodson in NY (Interestingly enough - the 2012-13 NY Knicks went to the EC Semis and won 54 games with Melo as a KEY cog).
Coach Woodson's team was NOT trying to employ a "Triangle" either.
And now he has Jeff Hornacek who seems to be more of a puppet for Phil Jackson - no disrespect to Jeff, though.
Melo has not had the right coach, yet. I hope he finds the right situation in his NBA career because it's NOT in NY for him, unfortunately.
I've gained even more respect for how Melo has handled all of this, though. I feel brighter days are ahead for him.
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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?
there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.
camby and Billups carried him.
he is a career 25/7/3 player.
He has never scored less than 20ppg in his career. He is a 12 time all-star. He has led the league in scoring.
Dont tell me people think he is a superstar because of "reputation in college and high draft pick status"
that is absolutely ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you say that. You can claim he is overrated, that he stops the ball and is only seen as a superstar because of his scoring numbers, but if you say its because he was well regarded out of college, you lost credibility.
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anyone wanting Anthony here doesn't get it, apparently hasn't watched basketball the last 10 plus yrs., and I seriously question them as a Celtics fan.
he's arguably had better talent around him than pierce ever did before the big 3 era and he did nothing with it. while pierce took guys like Jiri welsch to the playoffs. sure the east was weak but outside of a couple teams since melo's been in NY the east hasn't been much better. and this waste of talent couldn't even sniff a 7th or 8th seed.
The fact that Melo is no longer as good as a 24-28 year old Paul Pierce does not mean we shouldnt want him.
When he had talent on his team, Melo made the playoffs. Once as a 2 seed. Lets not forget, the "talent" he had was the corpse of Amare Stoudemire, a very old Tyson Chandler, JR Smith and the corpse of Chauncy Billups.
Not a great squad.
melo was never as good as pierce. and i'm the most non-homer fan you'll find.
that knicks squad you mentioned was better than anything pierce had prior to the big 3. and the east was very weak then, just like when pierce was taking scrubs to the playoffs.
that Kninks squad was not as good as the Pierce/Walker team though it still won the Atlantic and a playoff series.
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just saw Melo split with La La.
dont know how that would effect his willingness to accept a trade, but Id imagine it has some effect.
Id still take him in a minute. Would have really loved his ability to create his own shot last night. No way Mirotic or Portis could cover him at the 4.
plus he would be our best rebounder probably (which says more about us than Melo)
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just saw Melo split with La La.
dont know how that would effect his willingness to accept a trade, but Id imagine it has some effect.
Id still take him in a minute. Would have really loved his ability to create his own shot last night. No way Mirotic or Portis could cover him at the 4.
plus he would be our best rebounder probably (which says more about us than Melo)
TP.
Grab Melo and O'Quinn or Hernangomez, for Bradley and parts and any picks but BKs.
Sign Milsap or Hayward, Keep BK '17 an'18.
Compete now and for the next 10 years.
EDIT: Looks like no more Honey nut Cheerios for Melo. :(
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Hasn't Jackson been "shopping" Melo for a year and a half already?
If anybody wanted the guy, it would've happened by now. He's not worth any significant assets, plain & simple. The Clippers weren't even willing to give up Reddick for him.
Moreover, it's incredibly laughable that the N.Y. media keeps mentioning Boston as a potential trade partner because of the Brooklyn picks. Yeah right, keep thinking Danny Ainge is dumb enough to part with those assets for a guy who is 32. Whatever sells their fishwrap, I guess . . . all the b.s. "fit to print."
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Hasn't Jackson been "shopping" Melo for a year and a half already?
If anybody wanted the guy, it would've happened by now. He's not worth any significant assets, plain & simple. The Clippers weren't even willing to give up Reddick for him.
Moreover, it's incredibly laughable that the N.Y. media keeps mentioning Boston as a potential trade partner because of the Brooklyn picks. Yeah right, keep thinking Danny Ainge is dumb enough to part with those assets for a guy who is 32. Whatever sells their fishwrap, I guess . . . all the b.s. "fit to print."
yes, but midseason trades are tough when you have a $24 million contract. Also, Id imagine after this debacle Melo is more receptive to waiving that NTC. He is very clearly not wanted anymore.
Plus, it seems with his declaration that Melo is better off elsewhere it appears Phil is also conceding that he wont get much value at all in return for Melo.
If Phil accepts the fact that he cant expect more than expirings and a few middling picks and prospects, then he could probably find a buyer this offseason.
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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?
there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.
camby and Billups carried him.
he is a career 25/7/3 player.
He has never scored less than 20ppg in his career. He is a 12 time all-star. He has led the league in scoring.
Dont tell me people think he is a superstar because of "reputation in college and high draft pick status"
that is absolutely ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you say that. You can claim he is overrated, that he stops the ball and is only seen as a superstar because of his scoring numbers, but if you say its because he was well regarded out of college, you lost credibility.
Melo was a superstar in his prime, and obviously from a name perspective still is...
But he, like Wade, hasn't provided that level impact for 2 years or so now. He hasn't fallen off as much as D Wade, because he is younger, but neither guy is what they once were.
Melo right now probably isn't a top 30 player.
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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?
there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.
camby and Billups carried him.
he is a career 25/7/3 player.
He has never scored less than 20ppg in his career. He is a 12 time all-star. He has led the league in scoring.
Dont tell me people think he is a superstar because of "reputation in college and high draft pick status"
that is absolutely ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you say that. You can claim he is overrated, that he stops the ball and is only seen as a superstar because of his scoring numbers, but if you say its because he was well regarded out of college, you lost credibility.
Melo was a superstar in his prime, and obviously from a name perspective still is...
But he, like Wade, hasn't provided that level impact for 2 years or so now. He hasn't fallen off as much as D Wade, because he is younger, but neither guy is what they once were.
Melo right now probably isn't a top 30 player.
is anyone here arguing that Melo is a superstar?
a poster suggested that he is considered a superstar because of what he did BEFORE he got to the NBA. That is absurd.
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P-Jax turned from wine to vinegar.
He gave Melo NT clause and now he is throwing the ping pong the ball to Melos lap, saying he should waive it. Sorry, Phil, you are the incompetent conductor and you should be responsible for the orchestras off-key sound. It is not Melo that gave himself the max contract and the clause. Players don't have that sort of authority. Now, P-Jax is sadly clinging to this Melo-winning pride argument. The argument used to sign him, LOL, now being used to banish him. And if Melo plays throughout his contract, Phil has no chance of success unless he wins the lottery.
He also thought Noah is better than R. Lopez and signed him to that 72/4 vinegar contract.
His triangle comments just put the whole thing over the top for me. He preaches it, he is not the coach, he hired the coaches that don't want it, players as well. He never gathered the personnel in the 1st place and now this is the reason for the failures.
Montana is dear to him so he spends the least time with the team if we are counting in all of the NBA presidents.
The incompetence always shows itself. Maybe not in the first month or a year, but it rises to the surface at some point. Phils is clearly visible and the only defense he can muster for himself is to blame the post prime Melo, (BTW he begged him to sign) that has been a very good professional and expectedly dropped off in his 33rd year.
This is, in my eyes, a sad story of a man growing old. Something we will all hopefully face. Let this be a lesson for us, to step away while the time is right and before we screw up everything we have done right prior.
Thank you Zen master for this last and valuable lesson.
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Pretty clear that Jackson is only as good as his players.
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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kpnc79f (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kpnc79f)
Melo for Pek and Aldrich (salaries), Tyus Jones (youg talent) plus a 2017/18/19 first?
They'd be taking on equally long and bad contracts but they'd get out from under the Melo drama and get an additioanal lotto pick. Wolves would get some veterern guidance for that young core while they develop.
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Pretty clear that Jackson is only as good as his players.
One of the most overrated figures in sports. Guy won with MJ/Kobe/Shaq. Hasn't done anything without them.
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The subject of this thread just kills me every time I see it..
Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
The Knicks will try what?
and
The Knicks will trade Melo
;) :D :police:
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The subject of this thread just kills me every time I see it..
Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
The Knicks will try what?
and
The Knicks will trade Melo
;) :D :police:
Wow, correcting grammar in a sports forum. You must be a riot at parties!
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Carmelo and La La have apparently split so the allure of New York or Los Angeles might not be as great for Carmelo now.
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Carmelo's potentially an interesting value buy as a Plan B or C over the summer if free agency doesn't work out for Boston. Given that clearing out true max space for Boston is a moderately difficult task (particularly if they keep their draft pick and they intend for Yabusele to be in the NBA next year) there are some interesting things you can do with this team operating over the cap as well. Matching salaries for Carmelo would be a breeze, as if you're operating over the cap because free agency didn't work out you've got Zeller's expiring contract and full Bird Rights on Amir and Jerebko to work with, and Carmelo shouldn't cost very much in terms of assets given Jackson's desire to see him moved and Carmelo's NTC. As an added bonus, operating over the cap allows you to retain Olynyk, who's been useful off the bench, whereas signing a free agent basically means Kelly needs to be renounced (among other moves).
To be clear, I'd prefer to sign a free agent like Hayward, Griffin, or probably Millsap, but moving something like Zeller and Amir (as a S&T) packaged with some low-value picks (definitely not the Nets picks, and probably not the Grizz one either, but I'd talk about some mix of the Clips' first/Boston's own 2018/seconds) and maybe a low-value player or two for Carmelo while retaining Olynyk and signing Jerebko to a sizable 1+1 deal to be used as a building block for future trades isn't a terrible option. He's pretty far down the list of potential targets (in no particular order I'd prefer Butler, George, Hayward, Blake, Millsap and - if he ever became available - Klay Thompson), but Boston could use another player to take some of the scoring load off IT's shoulders for nights when he doesn't have it going, and plugging Carmelo into the Gerald Green/Amir Johnson spot in the starting lineup could be a viable fallback position there.