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https://theundefeated.com/features/rajon-rondo-boston-celtics-ray-allen/
Just like Rajon Rondo used to set up the fast break for the Boston Celtics, he is setting up a vacation with his former Celtics teammates from the 2008 NBA championship team to celebrate the nearing of the 10-year anniversary of their title. This party, however, doesn’t include an invite to ex-Celtics star guard Ray Allen.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake,” said Rondo to The Undefeated when asked why Allen wasn’t invited.
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Allen and Kevin Garnett joined forces with Celtics veteran forward Paul Pierce in the summer of 2007 to form one of the greatest star trios the NBA has ever seen. With a young budding star Rondo as their point guard, Allen, Garnett and Pierce led the Celtics to their first NBA championship in 22 years with their 17th title in 2008. The four were also the key players on a Celtics team that lost in the 2010 NBA Finals to the Los Angeles Lakers.
On July 10, 2012, however, Allen shocked his Celtics teammates by agreeing to a three-year, $9.5 million contract with the rival Miami Heat. Allen turned down a two-year, $12 million offer from the Celtics with a no-trade clause after seeking a longer and more lucrative deal and not seeing eye to eye with Rondo. LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and the Heat eliminated their bitter rival Celtics in the 2012 Eastern Conference finals and went on to win back-to-back NBA championships.
Allen, a retired 10-time NBA All-Star, has been estranged from Rondo, Pierce and Garnett since his departure from Boston and winning the 2013 championship with Miami.
The Celtics Ray Allen gets a hand from Rajon Rondo, right, and Kevin Garnett, left, after he hit a second quarter shot and was fouled in the process. The Boston Celtics hosted the Atlanta Hawks for game three of a first round Eastern Conference NBA Playoff Game at TD Garden.
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“It will be a long story about that, but it is what it is,” Rondo, who plays for the Chicago Bulls, told The Undefeated. “I don’t know a good analogy to put this in. It just wasn’t the greatest separation. It wasn’t the greatest thing that could’ve happened to us as a team, a bond. We were at war with those guys [Miami]. To go with the enemy, that’s unheard-of in sports. Well, it’s not so unheard of. It’s [dang] near common now.
“The mindset we had. The guys on our team. You wouldn’t do anything like that. It makes you question that series in the Finals … Who were you for? You didn’t bleed green. People think we had a messed-up relationship. It’s not the greatest. But it’s not just me. I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
One former Celtics player from the 2008 NBA championship team said of Allen’s exclusion from the party: “I mean, Ray left. He left to the enemy.”
Pierce didn’t comment on the lack of the invitation to Allen when asked about it March 18. But in a 2016 story in The Undefeated, the Los Angeles Clippers forward described Allen’s departure to Miami as “betrayal.”
“That was a tough situation because we thought it was betrayal,” Pierce said. “That’s why the whole thing evolved like it did with us not talking to him. Ray didn’t really have the best relationship with Rondo anyway. That was nothing. [Rondo], me and Kevin, he didn’t have any talk with us [before his Miami decision].
“I tried to call him and I didn’t get any return calls before he signed with Miami. That was our rival. We were brothers. We came in together. We just wanted a heads-up or a ‘what’s on your mind?’ or something like. Then, all of a sudden, he left. That was the biggest disappointment on my end. Not even getting a callback at that moment.”
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Efforts to reach Allen didn’t result in a comment. But if the group consensus were to invite Allen, would Rondo offer an invitation despite their differences?
“I would have went with the team, with the group,” Rondo said.
Not every member of the 2008 NBA championship team is anti-Allen. Former Celtics forward-center Leon Powe, a member of the 2008 NBA championship team, said he spoke to Rondo about the reunion recently in Boston and was in. Powe, who works in the Celtics’ scouting department, was surprised to learn Sunday that Allen wasn’t invited.
Ray Allen #34 of the Miami Heat shoots during Game Three of the 2014 NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs at the American Airlines Arena on June 10, 2014 in Miami, Florida.
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“I assumed that Ray would be invited,” Powe told The Undefeated. “That is one of my guys. My preference is that Ray is extended an invitation.”
Except for Allen, Rondo said, he has personally offered an invite to the celebration to all of his ex-Celtics teammates except a hard-to-locate retired forward-center P.J. Brown. The Rondo-led celebration is a work in progress at an undisclosed international location.
“Everybody else should be there. I’ve actually talked to everyone [else],” Rondo said. “With me going out to every different city, I ran into ‘E-House’ [Eddie House] in Phoenix, I ran into ‘Scal’ [Brian Scalabrine], Leon Powe. The only person I haven’t got in touch with was P.J. Brown. I should be able to find him. I can get in touch with his wife and that is the route I’m going to take with him.
“This is going to an out-of-the-country thing at an undisclosed location. We’re going to get it together, enjoy life, reflect and check on each other. Next year will be the 10-year reunion, but I’m going to do it this summer.”
Rondo, Pierce and Memphis Grizzlies guard Tony Allen are the only players still active from the 2008 NBA championship team. Pierce has announced he is retiring after this season. Rondo, a four-time NBA All-Star, said he feels odd being considered an older player at 31 years old.
“I’m just trying to stay young and take care of my body, Rondo said. “Taking it one day at a time, one season at a time. It went too fast. We are already talking about getting together on our 10-year anniversary. I’m like, ‘Ten. It’s been 10?’ It definitely went fast. It seemed like just yesterday where we were talking about how old K.G. was at 31. Look at me now, I’m 31 in the same situation, Young guys call me, ‘The O.G.’ I’m embracing it. I’m accepting it. But I didn’t expect to hear this s— so soon.”
Rondo has fond memories of his days as the starting point guard during a very successful run for the Celtics that included NBA Finals appearances in 2008 and 2010. The 11-year NBA veteran said he misses how close those Celtics teams were.
The Celtics finally broke into the win column tonight, which allowed the starting five, from left to right: Jermaine O’Neal,Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo to have some fun on the bench during the fourth quarter. The Boston Celtics hosted the Detroit Pistons in an NBA regular season game at the TD Garden, the team’s home opener.
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“We wanted to do it for one another,” Rondo said. “It started from start to finish. We believed in each other. Doc was a great and the right coach for us to have with that type of group. We all bought into it. We all thought we couldn’t be all we could be unless the next man was the best that he could be.
“We cheered for each other. There wasn’t no wishing bad on the next person or the guy in front of you. There was one effort. One goal. At one point in time throughout the season, everybody is going to have a chance to play a part and a role in it in this championship. And that’s what happened.”
Rondo has had an up-and-down season with the Bulls in which he has not seen eye to eye with coach Fred Hoiberg and has had an ever-changing role from reserve to benched to starter. He entered Sunday averaging 7.2 points, 6.4 assists and 4.9 rebounds this season. Rondo’s contract is only guaranteed $3 million of the $13.3 million he is due to be paid next season if he is waived by Chicago by June 30. Quietly, Rondo has also played a strong mentoring role for young Bulls guards Michael Carter-Williams, Jerian Grant and rookie Denzel Valentine.
Rondo said he is focused on finishing this season strongly for the Bulls and not what the future holds.
“I’m not really thinking about next year as far as where I will be. I’m going to stay here. I’m going to stay present. I’m not going to waste away any time. I’m a Chicago Bull. A good group of guys. I’m just trying to lead by example and play as hard as I can,” Rondo said.
Rondo said he still loves the game of basketball and would love to continue his career for many more years. Could he also see a return to the Celtics one day?
“I don’t know. You never know what can happen in this league. It’s a great organization. Great fans. They are the best I ever played for. I can’t say I’d never want to go back. But right now, I don’t know if that’s a plan for me,” Rondo said.
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That seems pretty crummy and is definitely not only in poor taste, but poor class as well.
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If they had invited him, would he even have gone? I know Pierce has said in the past that Ray never really went to things like team dinners or charity events others arranged. Doesn't seem too odd that he wouldn't go on a trip arranged by a former teammate that he didn't get along with.
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Ha!
I think this shows just how "betrayed" Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo felt by Ray leaving the way he did. Clearly those guys have not let it go yet.
Can't blame them for how they feel. As a fan I've long since forgotten it, but I wasn't in that lockeroom, and I wasn't the one going into battle each and every night with those guys.
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It's a shame because Ray was an integral part of those teams. A good argument could made that he was MVP of the '08 Finals.
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Doesn't bother me in the least. Rondo, Garnett, and Pierce don't owe Allen anything. I really can't see why anyone cares. Allen can plan something and invite Lebron and Wade to his celebration.
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That seems pretty crummy and is definitely not only in poor taste, but poor class as well.
I think it's best to err on the side of mending fences but that's just me. I can see not inviting him, depending on how they feel. I'm not in their heads.
But going public with all of this is just trash, no doubt about that. Keep it private.
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That seems pretty crummy and is definitely not only in poor taste, but poor class as well.
If I had to take a guess I'd imagine Paul, Kevin, and Rajon feel the same way about Ray leaving the way he did.
Ray didn't owe the organization anything. He didn't even really owe the fans anything. But he sure did, at the very least, owe Paul and Kevin more.
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That seems pretty crummy and is definitely not only in poor taste, but poor class as well.
I think it's best to err on the side of mending fences but that's just me. I can see not inviting him, depending on how they feel. I'm not in their heads.
But going public with all of this is just trash, no doubt about that. Keep it private.
Yeah, that's what I think was in poor taste. If you want to have a party, and most everyone else you'd invite doesn't want someone there, it's your party, do what you like. But talking about it in an interview is just unnecessary. I thought people learned this in grade school -- you don't have to invite everyone to your party, but you also don't get to go around saying "Ha ha, you're not invited!" while sticking out your tongue.
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That seems pretty crummy and is definitely not only in poor taste, but poor class as well.
I think it's best to err on the side of mending fences but that's just me. I can see not inviting him, depending on how they feel. I'm not in their heads.
But going public with all of this is just trash, no doubt about that. Keep it private.
Yeah, that's what I think was in poor taste. If you want to have a party, and most everyone else you'd invite doesn't want someone there, it's your party, do what you like. But talking about it in an interview is just unnecessary. I thought people learned this in grade school -- you don't have to invite everyone to your party, but you also don't get to go around saying "Ha ha, you're not invited!" while sticking out your tongue.
I am on PP's side, i think they have every right to say what they think/feel
keep the class for your brothers, not the betrayer
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That seems pretty crummy and is definitely not only in poor taste, but poor class as well.
If I had to take a guess I'd imagine Paul, Kevin, and Rajon feel the same way about Ray leaving the way he did.
Ray didn't owe the organization anything. He didn't even really owe the fans anything. But he sure did, at the very least, owe Paul and Kevin more.
Ray leaving for the rival team felt like a betrayal for me as a fan, but I though he at least talked to Paul or KG beforehand. But apparently he was mum about it. Rondo and Ray- that was understandable, they didn't get along so he owes Rondo nothing. But to not even accept PP's calls, after all they've been through, yeah that takes the cake I guess.
Powe has no problem with Ray given that he wasn't with the team when Ray left. Its probably just PP and KG who didnt want Ray there though, since they were the ones who were in '08 and '12, although I can someone like Davis even though he wasnt with the team in '12.
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Rondo is being a ....
You didnt win if it was not for allen and vice versa
When will he learn
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Ray should be there regardless of what happened afterward. Eventually you have to move on and Ray Allen was a big reason that team was so great.
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I'm sure this the Revolutionary war veterans were writing Benedict Arnold to come back and celebrate the capture of Fort Ticonderoga after the war was over. No hard feelings right? We had a good run with the guy.
Glad I don't have my Ray Allen shirt anymore. He can go to the re-union party for the 2013 Heat championship. Good riddance.
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Rondo is being a ....
You didnt win if it was not for allen and vice versa
When will he learn
This wasn't about winning, its about camaraderie. And ffs triboy, at least read sometimes. Rondo asked the opinion of others, it wasn't a sole decision.
Its easy to say for people to move on, but reality is, its hard for people to move on. I know I have falling out with other people and let me tell you, its not easy. Esp if that person wont acknowledge his fault. Sometimes over time you get over it, but its not always and the timeframe isnt always the same. Its reality, stop living in your ideal dream world.
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Rondo is being a ....
You didnt win if it was not for allen and vice versa
When will he learn
This wasn't about winning, its about camaraderie. And ffs triboy, at least read sometimes. Rondo asked the opinion of others, it wasn't a sole decision.
Its easy to say for people to move on, but reality is, its hard for people to move on. I know I have falling out with other people and let me tell you, its not easy. Esp if that person wont acknowledge his fault. Sometimes over time you get over it, but its not always and the timeframe isnt always the same. Its reality, stop living in your ideal dream world.
That's what I read too. Not a fan of Rondo anymore but don't make him the bad guy when others had the same idea as him.
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Rondo is being a ....
You didnt win if it was not for allen and vice versa
When will he learn
This wasn't about winning, its about camaraderie. And ffs triboy, at least read sometimes. Rondo asked the opinion of others, it wasn't a sole decision.
Its easy to say for people to move on, but reality is, its hard for people to move on. I know I have falling out with other people and let me tell you, its not easy. Esp if that person wont acknowledge his fault. Sometimes over time you get over it, but its not always and the timeframe isnt always the same. Its reality, stop living in your ideal dream world.
Really? Lol
Stop being sensitive about nothing
Rondo needs to move on... What does Ray Allen need to apologize for? Did he badmouth his family? Go after his wife?
If anyone should apologize its Rondo...he has been a constant prick about this matter...
Just go grab a beer together and forget it.... Dont ruin a terrific memory (2008 championship)
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Rondo say , go party wif yo boy LeBron
;)
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Rondo is being a ....
You didnt win if it was not for allen and vice versa
When will he learn
This wasn't about winning, its about camaraderie. And ffs triboy, at least read sometimes. Rondo asked the opinion of others, it wasn't a sole decision.
Its easy to say for people to move on, but reality is, its hard for people to move on. I know I have falling out with other people and let me tell you, its not easy. Esp if that person wont acknowledge his fault. Sometimes over time you get over it, but its not always and the timeframe isnt always the same. Its reality, stop living in your ideal dream world.
Really? Lol
Stop being sensitive about nothing
Rondo needs to move on... What does Ray Allen need to apologize for? Did he badmouth his family? Go after his wife?
If anyone should apologize its Rondo...he has been a constant prick about this matter...
Just go grab a beer together and forget it.... Dont ruin a terrific memory (2008 championship)
You do realize the Pierce and KG feel pretty much the same way as Rondo, right?
In fact, by all accounts, Pierce and KG seem to have a greater level of "hurt" than even Rondo, as they weren't on bad terms with Ray, like Rondo was, at all until he left the way he did.
So why do you only have venom for Rondo, and not Pierce and KG also? Seems inconsistent.
As I said before, I'm over it as a fan, and can appreciate Ray for his contributions while he was here. But I can't blame those guys for feeling the way they do. Ray did them dirty, plain and simple.
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Yea I am pretty baffled by the take that all 3 guys (Pierce, KG and Rondo) are all being jerks or immature with this stuff and that maybe there isn't a good reason for them to not like Allen. A good rule in thumb in life is that if you are not in the room for something, you probably shouldn't pass judgement.
Those guys all basically lived with Allen for several years traveling on the road, planes and buses etc. If based on all those experiences and the times they shared together, if ALL of these guys feel like the way Allen handled his leaving was unforgivable, I have to believe Allen went about it in a really bad way (cause players switch teams all the time and nobody gets upset about it for 10 years).
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Yea I am pretty baffled by the take that all 3 guys (Pierce, KG and Rondo) are all being jerks or immature with this stuff and that maybe there isn't a good reason for them to not like Allen. A good rule in thumb in life is that if you are not in the room for something, you probably shouldn't pass judgement.
Those guys all basically lived with Allen for several years traveling on the road, planes and buses etc. If based on all those experiences and the times they shared together, if ALL of these guys feel like the way Allen handled his leaving was unforgivable, I have to believe Allen went about it in a really bad way (cause players switch teams all the time and nobody gets upset about it for 10 years).
Yeah, all that might be true, and I have no reason to doubt it. However, what's the point in celebrating without 1 of the 4 key players? I'm no R. Allen fan (anymore) but he helped win that championship, that can't be denied.
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I think it's childish. Ray made the move he thought was best for him. The Celtics wanted to trade him to Memphis but Memphis turned down the deal. So they certainly couldn't complain about him wanting to move on. Would Rondo, Garnett, and Pierce, have felt better if he went someone where he wasn't going to be happy? I know they aren't happy he went to a rival, but did they expect him to go somewhere he couldn't compete? Why shouldn't he try to win another ring?
He was a huge part of that team. They accomplished their goal. And one thing I loved during the whole run in 2008 was you never heard any complaining or finger pointing. Even when they struggled in the early rounds of the playoffs, they stuck together. It's a shame this is how they want to remember it.
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Yea I am pretty baffled by the take that all 3 guys (Pierce, KG and Rondo) are all being jerks or immature with this stuff and that maybe there isn't a good reason for them to not like Allen. A good rule in thumb in life is that if you are not in the room for something, you probably shouldn't pass judgement.
Those guys all basically lived with Allen for several years traveling on the road, planes and buses etc. If based on all those experiences and the times they shared together, if ALL of these guys feel like the way Allen handled his leaving was unforgivable, I have to believe Allen went about it in a really bad way (cause players switch teams all the time and nobody gets upset about it for 10 years).
Yeah, all that might be true, and I have no reason to doubt it. However, what's the point in celebrating without 1 of the 4 key players? I'm no R. Allen fan (anymore) but he helped win that championship, that can't be denied.
Nobody is denying that he was a key part of winning it. They just don't like him and prefere not to be around him. He got his ring, he celebrated with everyone when they won in 2008, he got paid, they don't owe him anything else. I'm sure if they felt they considered him a decent friend then they would invite him to their getaway reunion, but they apparently don't. That's life. That is the relationship he built with them. We can't really know why, we weren't there.
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Nobody is denying that he was a key part of winning it. They just don't like him and prefere not to be around him. He got his ring, he celebrated with everyone when they won in 2008, he got paid, they don't owe him anything else. I'm sure if they felt they considered him a decent friend then they would invite him to their getaway reunion, but they apparently don't. That's life. That is the relationship he built with them. We can't really know why, we weren't there.
No we don't know, but from everything I've read, the only part they had a problem with is that he went to Miami. I haven't seen anything about him badmouthing other players or disrespecting them individually in any way. If anyone knows of anything I'm missing, please post. Is it possible there is something else? Maybe, all evidence points to them being upset he went to a team that stood in their way.
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I wish i could curse, but i would get banned. You just p---ed me off.
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Ray should be there regardless of what happened afterward. Eventually you have to move on and Ray Allen was a big reason that team was so great.
I thought time was gonna heal all wounds, but I guess not.
Perk eventually went on to play with LeBron James in Cleveland. Even Rondo is playing with D-Wade this year. I understand why they felt betrayed by Ray but it's been what, nearly 5 years now?
Also, shouldn't they still hold it against Eddie House that he went and signed with the Heat immediately after the Finals loss? I know Ainge shipped him out at the deadline that year in the Nate Robinson deal, but LeBron and co. were still our enemy (or was it still the Lakers at that point). Maybe they would have felt differently towards House if he actually won a ring with Miami as well (just like Ray did).
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Rondo is being a ....
You didnt win if it was not for allen and vice versa
When will he learn
This wasn't about winning, its about camaraderie. And ffs triboy, at least read sometimes. Rondo asked the opinion of others, it wasn't a sole decision.
Its easy to say for people to move on, but reality is, its hard for people to move on. I know I have falling out with other people and let me tell you, its not easy. Esp if that person wont acknowledge his fault. Sometimes over time you get over it, but its not always and the timeframe isnt always the same. Its reality, stop living in your ideal dream world.
Really? Lol
Stop being sensitive about nothing
Rondo needs to move on... What does Ray Allen need to apologize for? Did he badmouth his family? Go after his wife?
If anyone should apologize its Rondo...he has been a constant prick about this matter...
Just go grab a beer together and forget it.... Dont ruin a terrific memory (2008 championship)
You do realize the Pierce and KG feel pretty much the same way as Rondo, right?
In fact, by all accounts, Pierce and KG seem to have a greater level of "hurt" than even Rondo, as they weren't on bad terms with Ray, like Rondo was, at all until he left the way he did.
So why do you only have venom for Rondo, and not Pierce and KG also? Seems inconsistent.
As I said before, I'm over it as a fan, and can appreciate Ray for his contributions while he was here. But I can't blame those guys for feeling the way they do. Ray did them dirty, plain and simple.
Ray did them dirty huh?
Celtics did not do him dirty?
You already know, I don't even have to explain all the things that Celtics were doing to Ray Allen through those last years.
Paul can feel hurt because Ray didn't call back , that is fine, but also miniscule.
Ray was the least coveted Celtic, least respected, then these guys act like he should come back lol, yea ok especially when the team stunk and was on its last leg
Not to mention them getting Terry
Ray did everything right but answer Paul's calls
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i like this!
ray wasn't a "Celtic" anyway
always been a hired gun
i trust paul kevin and rajon know it'll be better without him
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Sadly without Ray in Game 4 of the 2008 Finals, the Celtics would have been trailing the series 3-2 to the Lakers in that 2-3-2 format (I didn't really like that format, the lower-seeded team had home-court advantage with 3 straight home games. They could easily win Game 6 or Game 7 with a fiery streak of winning 3 straight at home).
The Celtics were definitely the better team that year, however. Still won't forget, 131-92. I was just a young high schooler back then hah. But the way Ray Allen left, yeah, I'm still sour and will never forgive the dude.
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Ray should be there regardless of what happened afterward. Eventually you have to move on and Ray Allen was a big reason that team was so great.
I thought time was gonna heal all wounds, but I guess not.
Perk eventually went on to play with LeBron James in Cleveland. Even Rondo is playing with D-Wade this year. I understand why they felt betrayed by Ray but it's been what, nearly 5 years now?
Also, shouldn't they still hold it against Eddie House that he went and signed with the Heat immediately after the Finals loss? I know Ainge shipped him out at the deadline that year in the Nate Robinson deal, but LeBron and co. were still our enemy (or was it still the Lakers at that point). Maybe they would have felt differently towards House if he actually won a ring with Miami as well (just like Ray did).
Both were the Celtics' enemy IMO. LeBron James in the east and forming his own Big 3 and beginning his domination over the C's. The Lakers with the long history and Game 7 of 2010.
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Screw Ray Allen. He was a turncoat during a time that the Celtics were trying to win a title.
This is like McHale signing with the Pistons. Dr. J signing with the Celtics or DJ going to the Sixers during their rivalries. If you wanted to sign somewhere else, go to another team not the HEAT.
Green runs deep...never forget it. Nothing personal, just business.
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Yea I am pretty baffled by the take that all 3 guys (Pierce, KG and Rondo) are all being jerks or immature with this stuff and that maybe there isn't a good reason for them to not like Allen. A good rule in thumb in life is that if you are not in the room for something, you probably shouldn't pass judgement.
Those guys all basically lived with Allen for several years traveling on the road, planes and buses etc. If based on all those experiences and the times they shared together, if ALL of these guys feel like the way Allen handled his leaving was unforgivable, I have to believe Allen went about it in a really bad way (cause players switch teams all the time and nobody gets upset about it for 10 years).
Yeah, all that might be true, and I have no reason to doubt it. However, what's the point in celebrating without 1 of the 4 key players? I'm no R. Allen fan (anymore) but he helped win that championship, that can't be denied.
Nobody is denying that he was a key part of winning it. They just don't like him and prefere not to be around him. He got his ring, he celebrated with everyone when they won in 2008, he got paid, they don't owe him anything else. I'm sure if they felt they considered him a decent friend then they would invite him to their getaway reunion, but they apparently don't. That's life. That is the relationship he built with them. We can't really know why, we weren't there.
This i how I basically feel. Of course he was a big part of it, doesn't mean they need to hang out with him now. It isn't logical to single our Rondo if KG and PP had the same thoughts. Let them celebrate with whomever they want to. What are we here the party police? give it a break.
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Sadly without Ray in Game 4 of the 2008 Finals, the Celtics would have been trailing the series 3-2 to the Lakers in that 2-3-2 format (I didn't really like that format, the lower-seeded team had home-court advantage with 3 straight home games. They could easily win Game 6 or Game 7 with a fiery streak of winning 3 straight at home).
The Celtics were definitely the better team that year, however. Still won't forget, 131-92. I was just a young high schooler back then hah. But the way Ray Allen left, yeah, I'm still sour and will never forgive the dude.
Like how we stormed back and won the title in 2010?
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Yea I am pretty baffled by the take that all 3 guys (Pierce, KG and Rondo) are all being jerks or immature with this stuff and that maybe there isn't a good reason for them to not like Allen. A good rule in thumb in life is that if you are not in the room for something, you probably shouldn't pass judgement.
Those guys all basically lived with Allen for several years traveling on the road, planes and buses etc. If based on all those experiences and the times they shared together, if ALL of these guys feel like the way Allen handled his leaving was unforgivable, I have to believe Allen went about it in a really bad way (cause players switch teams all the time and nobody gets upset about it for 10 years).
Yeah, all that might be true, and I have no reason to doubt it. However, what's the point in celebrating without 1 of the 4 key players? I'm no R. Allen fan (anymore) but he helped win that championship, that can't be denied.
Nobody is denying that he was a key part of winning it. They just don't like him and prefere not to be around him. He got his ring, he celebrated with everyone when they won in 2008, he got paid, they don't owe him anything else. I'm sure if they felt they considered him a decent friend then they would invite him to their getaway reunion, but they apparently don't. That's life. That is the relationship he built with them. We can't really know why, we weren't there.
This i how I basically feel. Of course he was a big part of it, doesn't mean they need to hang out with him now. It isn't logical to single our Rondo if KG and PP had the same thoughts. Let them celebrate with whomever they want to. What are we the here the party police? give it a break.
Look, nobody asked for our opinions. This is blog and we talk about whatever we want as fans.
If it were me, it wouldn't feel complete to celebrate without a KEY member present. The high road is to send him an invite and let the chips fall where they may. Again, nobody is asking our opinions but the topic is legit to discuss here.
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Sadly without Ray in Game 4 of the 2008 Finals, the Celtics would have been trailing the series 3-2 to the Lakers in that 2-3-2 format (I didn't really like that format, the lower-seeded team had home-court advantage with 3 straight home games. They could easily win Game 6 or Game 7 with a fiery streak of winning 3 straight at home).
The Celtics were definitely the better team that year, however. Still won't forget, 131-92. I was just a young high schooler back then hah. But the way Ray Allen left, yeah, I'm still sour and will never forgive the dude.
Like how we stormed back and won the title in 2010?
We had that series. We should've won Game 3 but Ray was just ice-cold. We should've won Game 6 if Perk wasn't injured. Game 7 don't even get me started with the 4th quarter free-throw disparity.
The Celtics got robbed in 2010.
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Who likes hanging out with people they don't like? There is a ton of people I use to work with that I'd pass on hanging out with even if they were good at their job.
I'm willing to bet there are guys on the roster right now that just work together and nothing else.
Also don't care that Rondo made it public. We would have found out the second one of them SnapBooked or Instatweeted a pic about the 2008 reunion and no one sees Ray.
No hate for Ray from me. He did his job at a high level while here with no excuses.
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I don't blame Ray for leaving---after all, Danny tried to trade him for OJ Mayo, among other deals...but to go to the Heat, was a Stab in the Back to Doc and all of his former teammates.
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Sadly without Ray in Game 4 of the 2008 Finals, the Celtics would have been trailing the series 3-2 to the Lakers in that 2-3-2 format (I didn't really like that format, the lower-seeded team had home-court advantage with 3 straight home games. They could easily win Game 6 or Game 7 with a fiery streak of winning 3 straight at home).
The Celtics were definitely the better team that year, however. Still won't forget, 131-92. I was just a young high schooler back then hah. But the way Ray Allen left, yeah, I'm still sour and will never forgive the dude.
Like how we stormed back and won the title in 2010?
2010 never happened
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Screw Ray Allen. He was a turncoat during a time that the Celtics were trying to win a title.
This is like McHale signing with the Pistons. Dr. J signing with the Celtics or DJ going to the Sixers during their rivalries. If you wanted to sign somewhere else, go to another team not the HEAT.
Green runs deep...never forget it. Nothing personal, just business.
TP, agree with it all except the "nothing personal" part. This was VERY personal.
This quote is from a poster on RealGM. This in conjunction with your quote says it all for me:
Thanks for helping us win in 08, Ray but he's still a traitor. It's a business. It always has been. The fact that the Celtics explored and tried trading Ray was never personal. It was always about the Celtics first.
Ray left for less vs our rival that just beat us because HE took it personally. That's fine. What's done is done. But I certainly wouldn't want the guy around. He bailed on his teammates. Good luck to ya but sorry. No number raised, no reunions if I was his teammate. You left to beat us to teach us a lesson out of spite.
That's all on Ray.
Judas did what he did NOT for $$ and NOT for another title (that was just a bonus). Benedict did what he did out of spite and vindictiveness to hurt Ainge, Doc, Rondo and the organization. The fact that his "buddies", PP and KG were hurt in the crossfire and were "collateral damage" was of NO significance to that traitorous dog.
Sleep with the enemy, die with the enemy, have your number retired by the enemy. #20 will NEVER be in the rafters associated with Judas. Fultz, Josh jackson, Tatum, Ball, Ayton, Doncic maybe, not you, traitor.
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Pettiness.
Paul, KG AND Ray went to battle in those contending years. I can understand the bitterness of him leaving but what I wish they would see things from RAY's POV.
From KG, Paul's and Rondo's POV - he's a turncoat. I get that.
From Ray's POV - he goes somewhere where he is wanted and appreciated - even if it turned out to be our "little" rivals. I use the word "little" not disrespectfully here, but our REAL rivals are out in LA and they wear Purple and Gold.
Some things - whether it's just Rondo OR Paul and KG - you need to let go of. They should remember the GOOD times - not the BAD.
If KG, Paul or Rondo really want to see rotten stuff happen to BOS they should revisit the late 80s - experiencing the BIAS tragedy...seeing Larry, Chief and McHale fight valiantly on against a resurgent Lakers team....doing this WITHOUT Bias' help.
They should go back to the early 90s and experience Reggie. Yet another gut punch for this franchise.
I'm sorry - Ray Allen "turn coating" is NOT big, to me at least. I understand completely why he left. I cheered Rondo, Paul and KG for staying and fighting on. While I did not cheer for Ray after he left I simply remember the Good Times in Green.
He was a key part of something special.
Some things - over time - need to be let go of. NO ONE should be THAT competitive. It's fake in the long run.
If I missed a key part of that long article forgive me. It's been a long day and I mainly focused on the title and briefly skimmed the article.
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Pettiness.
Paul, KG AND Ray went to battle in those contending years. I can understand the bitterness of him leaving but what I wish they would see things from RAY's POV.
From KG, Paul's and Rondo's POV - he's a turncoat. I get that.
From Ray's POV - he goes somewhere where he is wanted and appreciated - even if it turned out to be our "little" rivals. I use the word "little" not disrespectfully here, but our REAL rivals are out in LA and they wear Purple and Gold.
Some things - whether it's just Rondo OR Paul and KG - you need to let go of. They should remember the GOOD times - not the BAD.
If KG, Paul or Rondo really want to see rotten stuff happen to BOS they should revisit the late 80s - experiencing the BIAS tragedy...seeing Larry, Chief and McHale fight valiantly on against a resurgent Lakers team....doing this WITHOUT Bias' help.
They should go back to the early 90s and experience Reggie. Yet another gut punch for this franchise.
I'm sorry - Ray Allen "turn coating" is NOT big, to me at least. I understand completely why he left. I cheered Rondo, Paul and KG for staying and fighting on. While I did not cheer for Ray after he left I simply remember the Good Times in Green.
He was a key part of something special.
Some things - over time - need to be let go of. NO ONE should be THAT competitive. It's fake in the long run.
If I missed a key part of that long article forgive me. It's been a long day and I mainly focused on the title and briefly skimmed the article.
TP If celebrating the 10th year is hating then yeah don't call Ray.
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I don't blame Ray for leaving---after all, Danny tried to trade him for OJ Mayo, among other deals...but to go to the Heat, was a Stab in the Back to Doc and all of his former teammates.
So it's OK for the Celtics to trade him to whoever gives them the best deal, but he can't try to go to the best situation for him?
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I don't blame Ray for leaving---after all, Danny tried to trade him for OJ Mayo, among other deals...but to go to the Heat, was a Stab in the Back to Doc and all of his former teammates.
So it's OK for the Celtics to trade him to whoever gives them the best deal, but he can't try to go to the best situation for him?
Sure he can, but that's not what he did. He took less money to play in Miami. He also was farther from his family, and I think he has a sick kid who needs a specialist.
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He's financially secure and from everything I've heard about Ray, he would make sure his kid could get appropriate healthcare. No one is mad because he took a paycut or moved farther from his child's doctor. I'm not going to fault him for taking less money. He wanted a shot to win and he went to the place he felt had the best chance. He was a model pro for the Celtics and owed them nothing. For the team to shun him because of this choice is childish.
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No Ray, no ring!!
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I think all the debate about the appropriateness Ray's departure is skimming over the key point: Ray's ex-teammates by and large do not seem to like him personally. The way he left is likely a big part of that, but there's 0 chance it started there or is limited to that. That simply sealed the rift in their minds, it seems.
They're not excluding him because of a logical, consistent framework of "it's ok to leave in X way but not Y way", they're excluding him because they dislike him and don't want him around. They have the right to do that, though we certainly have the right to call that petty too.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
So what is your explanation for all of this? If this was just business as usual and a player making a business move do you really think 3 guys with very different personalities would all still hold a grudge 10 years later? That is the part I don't understand of acting like all 3 of these guys are being jerks rather than acknowledging that Allen must have handled this in a pretty terrible way to get 3 guys p---ed off for a decade. Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, what happened on team planes, the bus at practices etc. It certainly sounds messed up that Allen couldn't even be bothered to let Pierce know what his decision making process was before leaving. That is a new piece of news in this story and there are probably a lot of other pieces of news we still don't have. It is a lot easier for me to believe that Allen was/is a jerk rather than Garnett/Pierce/Rondo (plus the other guys not publicly standing up for him) are all jerks.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
So what is your explanation for all of this? If this was just business as usual and a player making a business move do you really think 3 guys with very different personalities would all still hold a grudge 10 years later? That is the part I don't understand of acting like all 3 of these guys are being jerks rather than acknowledging that Allen must have handled this in a pretty terrible way to get 3 guys p---ed off for a decade. Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, what happened on team planes, the bus at practices etc. It certainly sounds messed up that Allen couldn't even be bothered to let Pierce know what his decision making process was before leaving. That is a new piece of news in this story and there are probably a lot of other pieces of news we still don't have. It is a lot easier for me to believe that Allen was/is a jerk rather than Garnett/Pierce/Rondo (plus the other guys not publicly standing up for him) are all jerks.
Of course we don't know what went on, but the only reason this is news is because Rondo made it news. He took what should have been a private matter and blasted it to the world. That is not only in poor taste but poor class as well. And seriously unless Allen was sleeping with their wife or spreading all kinds of rumors, 10 years have gone by. You'd think that guys in the profession of basketball would understand that it isn't always personal and could you know just grow up a little. Of course when Rondo and Garnett are involved (you know two of the most petty disrespectful people in the industry), I'd really expect nothing less.
I mean who can forget this classic example of Garnett's Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.baggery as described by Paul Pierce.
“I remember one day after a game — we usually have food laid out for the players after the game. And the game is over, the players have burned so many calories, we’re hungry. And so, it’s time to eat once the game is over. We shower then we have like a buffet. So, I remember we jumped out of the shower. Guys got dressed, and it was time to eat. And there were like some people who weren’t on the team in there — like, some doctors who we hardly ever see. We see them making a plate with the players’ food, and I just remember going over there. Kevin Garnett was over there, and he kinda knocked the plate out of his hand and said, ‘This is the players’ food!'”
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
So what is your explanation for all of this? If this was just business as usual and a player making a business move do you really think 3 guys with very different personalities would all still hold a grudge 10 years later? That is the part I don't understand of acting like all 3 of these guys are being jerks rather than acknowledging that Allen must have handled this in a pretty terrible way to get 3 guys p---ed off for a decade. Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, what happened on team planes, the bus at practices etc. It certainly sounds messed up that Allen couldn't even be bothered to let Pierce know what his decision making process was before leaving. That is a new piece of news in this story and there are probably a lot of other pieces of news we still don't have. It is a lot easier for me to believe that Allen was/is a jerk rather than Garnett/Pierce/Rondo (plus the other guys not publicly standing up for him) are all jerks.
Of course we don't know what went on, but the only reason this is news is because Rondo made it news. He took what should have been a private matter and blasted it to the world. That is not only in poor taste but poor class as well. And seriously unless Allen was sleeping with their wife or spreading all kinds of rumors, 10 years have gone by. You'd think that guys in the profession of basketball would understand that it isn't always personal and could you know just grow up a little. Of course when Rondo and Garnett are involved (you know two of the most petty disrespectful people in the industry), I'd really expect nothing less.
I mean who can forget this classic example of Garnett's ****baggery as described by Paul Pierce.
“I remember one day after a game — we usually have food laid out for the players after the game. And the game is over, the players have burned so many calories, we’re hungry. And so, it’s time to eat once the game is over. We shower then we have like a buffet. So, I remember we jumped out of the shower. Guys got dressed, and it was time to eat. And there were like some people who weren’t on the team in there — like, some doctors who we hardly ever see. We see them making a plate with the players’ food, and I just remember going over there. Kevin Garnett was over there, and he kinda knocked the plate out of his hand and said, ‘This is the players’ food!'”
You kind of hate KG as a person eh?
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Several people have said that we don't know what really happened. I don't think there is anything beneath the surface. I have not seen one story of Ray disrespecting teammates personally or professionally. I have not heard anything about him behaving inappropriately or unprofessionally. And those who have followed Ray know him as a model player and teammate. I think they are mad he went to Miami. Perhaps there is something else, but has anyone seen any evidence of this?
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so Scott Pollard was missed as well...to be fair, I completely forgot he was on the team lol
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
1. Wrong. We were 39-27 in 2011-12 when he left (roughly 48-34 for 82 games) and just took Miami to the ECF and should have won.
2. Wrong again. Loved? He was being outplayed by AB and was battling injuries. That's what happens when you're old Ray. You go to bench while the up and coming player takes your minutes and you contribute with your experience rather than athleticism.
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Ray did them dirty huh?
Celtics did not do him dirty?
You already know, I don't even have to explain all the things that Celtics were doing to Ray Allen through those last years.
Paul can feel hurt because Ray didn't call back , that is fine, but also miniscule.
Ray was the least coveted Celtic, least respected, then these guys act like he should come back lol, yea ok especially when the team stunk and was on its last leg
Not to mention them getting Terry
Ray did everything right but answer Paul's calls
Doc Rivers said Ray stopped returning his calls; when exactly we don’t know. We know he called Terry right after free agency began. If Doc called Terry because Ray had stopped returning his calls, he did what was necessary. OTOH, if the news of Terry coming to the Celtics came first, Ray, having already lost his starting role, had reason to feel disrespected. It would be nice to know which event took place first.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
So what is your explanation for all of this? If this was just business as usual and a player making a business move do you really think 3 guys with very different personalities would all still hold a grudge 10 years later? That is the part I don't understand of acting like all 3 of these guys are being jerks rather than acknowledging that Allen must have handled this in a pretty terrible way to get 3 guys p---ed off for a decade. Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, what happened on team planes, the bus at practices etc. It certainly sounds messed up that Allen couldn't even be bothered to let Pierce know what his decision making process was before leaving. That is a new piece of news in this story and there are probably a lot of other pieces of news we still don't have. It is a lot easier for me to believe that Allen was/is a jerk rather than Garnett/Pierce/Rondo (plus the other guys not publicly standing up for him) are all jerks.
Of course we don't know what went on, but the only reason this is news is because Rondo made it news. He took what should have been a private matter and blasted it to the world. That is not only in poor taste but poor class as well. And seriously unless Allen was sleeping with their wife or spreading all kinds of rumors, 10 years have gone by. You'd think that guys in the profession of basketball would understand that it isn't always personal and could you know just grow up a little. Of course when Rondo and Garnett are involved (you know two of the most petty disrespectful people in the industry), I'd really expect nothing less.
I mean who can forget this classic example of Garnett's ****baggery as described by Paul Pierce.
“I remember one day after a game — we usually have food laid out for the players after the game. And the game is over, the players have burned so many calories, we’re hungry. And so, it’s time to eat once the game is over. We shower then we have like a buffet. So, I remember we jumped out of the shower. Guys got dressed, and it was time to eat. And there were like some people who weren’t on the team in there — like, some doctors who we hardly ever see. We see them making a plate with the players’ food, and I just remember going over there. Kevin Garnett was over there, and he kinda knocked the plate out of his hand and said, ‘This is the players’ food!'”
You kind of hate KG as a person eh?
But make sure you don't say anything bad about Lebron or you will get hunted down.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
So what is your explanation for all of this? If this was just business as usual and a player making a business move do you really think 3 guys with very different personalities would all still hold a grudge 10 years later? That is the part I don't understand of acting like all 3 of these guys are being jerks rather than acknowledging that Allen must have handled this in a pretty terrible way to get 3 guys p---ed off for a decade. Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, what happened on team planes, the bus at practices etc. It certainly sounds messed up that Allen couldn't even be bothered to let Pierce know what his decision making process was before leaving. That is a new piece of news in this story and there are probably a lot of other pieces of news we still don't have. It is a lot easier for me to believe that Allen was/is a jerk rather than Garnett/Pierce/Rondo (plus the other guys not publicly standing up for him) are all jerks.
Of course we don't know what went on, but the only reason this is news is because Rondo made it news. He took what should have been a private matter and blasted it to the world. That is not only in poor taste but poor class as well. And seriously unless Allen was sleeping with their wife or spreading all kinds of rumors, 10 years have gone by. You'd think that guys in the profession of basketball would understand that it isn't always personal and could you know just grow up a little. Of course when Rondo and Garnett are involved (you know two of the most petty disrespectful people in the industry), I'd really expect nothing less.
I mean who can forget this classic example of Garnett's ****baggery as described by Paul Pierce.
“I remember one day after a game — we usually have food laid out for the players after the game. And the game is over, the players have burned so many calories, we’re hungry. And so, it’s time to eat once the game is over. We shower then we have like a buffet. So, I remember we jumped out of the shower. Guys got dressed, and it was time to eat. And there were like some people who weren’t on the team in there — like, some doctors who we hardly ever see. We see them making a plate with the players’ food, and I just remember going over there. Kevin Garnett was over there, and he kinda knocked the plate out of his hand and said, ‘This is the players’ food!'”
You kind of hate KG as a person eh?
I think KG's public persona is that of a giant prick. Kind of like Draymond Green today. Absolutely love to have him on your team, but hate him when he is not. Played dirty, trash talked dirty, etc. Just not a likeable guy.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
So what is your explanation for all of this? If this was just business as usual and a player making a business move do you really think 3 guys with very different personalities would all still hold a grudge 10 years later? That is the part I don't understand of acting like all 3 of these guys are being jerks rather than acknowledging that Allen must have handled this in a pretty terrible way to get 3 guys p---ed off for a decade. Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, what happened on team planes, the bus at practices etc. It certainly sounds messed up that Allen couldn't even be bothered to let Pierce know what his decision making process was before leaving. That is a new piece of news in this story and there are probably a lot of other pieces of news we still don't have. It is a lot easier for me to believe that Allen was/is a jerk rather than Garnett/Pierce/Rondo (plus the other guys not publicly standing up for him) are all jerks.
Of course we don't know what went on, but the only reason this is news is because Rondo made it news. He took what should have been a private matter and blasted it to the world. That is not only in poor taste but poor class as well. And seriously unless Allen was sleeping with their wife or spreading all kinds of rumors, 10 years have gone by. You'd think that guys in the profession of basketball would understand that it isn't always personal and could you know just grow up a little. Of course when Rondo and Garnett are involved (you know two of the most petty disrespectful people in the industry), I'd really expect nothing less.
I mean who can forget this classic example of Garnett's ****baggery as described by Paul Pierce.
“I remember one day after a game — we usually have food laid out for the players after the game. And the game is over, the players have burned so many calories, we’re hungry. And so, it’s time to eat once the game is over. We shower then we have like a buffet. So, I remember we jumped out of the shower. Guys got dressed, and it was time to eat. And there were like some people who weren’t on the team in there — like, some doctors who we hardly ever see. We see them making a plate with the players’ food, and I just remember going over there. Kevin Garnett was over there, and he kinda knocked the plate out of his hand and said, ‘This is the players’ food!'”
You kind of hate KG as a person eh?
But make sure you don't say anything bad about Lebron or you will get hunted down.
Lebron has done quite a few egotistical things, probably no more than your normal best player in the world type stuff, but he is genuinely well liked around the league, even by his main rivals. He is never voted to the most dirty lists. You never see him go below the belt in his trash talking. You never see him just be a bully for the sake of being a bully. That is stuff Garnett was known for. There are countless examples of Garnett crossing the line with his trash talk (the Charlie V stuff is the most notable, but there are countless other examples). There are countless examples of Garnett calling out and picking on rookies or lesser players, just because. There are countless examples of dirty play after dirty play from Garnett. If we can't recognize what an **** Garnett was as a player, then we are nothing more than hypocrites when we call someone like Draymond Green out for basically the same behavior.
Frankly, that type of player can really help a team because they take the brunt of everything and let everyone else do their thing. Those players give it their all every second they are in the game and cheer like mad when they aren't. They are by and large great teammates, but are most definitely a villain to everyone else. That was Garnett. That is why he was so loved here because we all saw how passionately he played, but we shouldn't just pretend he wasn't a prick either.
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P.J. Brown is in the witness protection program.
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I don't think the signing of Jason Terry was disrespectful for Allen. My memory is that Terry was often the ball handler off the bench and Danny was trying to pair some of the then-best 3pt shooters of the time.
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Paul said it best. It's not only about Miami decision, but that he didn't even contacted or called or even answered the calls before about his decision. As Paul said, they were great group of guys, bonded with green. It just wasn't the right way to do it. He just erased them, like a text message or a tweet.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
All of this is true, and probably fair justification for why Ray felt slighted by the organization, and thus left for Miami.
But it isn't justification for the way he handled it, particularly in regards to KG, Pierce, and Doc. Those guys seemingly always did right by Ray. Not returning their calls/texts was clearly a diss, and most likely at the heart of why those three, in particular, still harbor ill will towards Ray. I don't blame them in the least.
As for Rondo and Ray, and their feelings towards each other, well, I'm sure both did things to each other that led to their ill feelings towards each other. They're probably both in the wrong on some level. They just didn't like each other. So, while Rondo probably doesn't have much justification for being upset over how or why Ray left, I don't blame him for not wanting Ray at a party he's putting together. I doubt Ray would have shown up anyway, even if had he been invited.
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Let's be clear, Boston was not a contender when Allen left, which is pretty apparent by the 41-40 record during the 2012-3 season. Boston was cooked. Boston disrespected Allen several times including by trading him (only for Memphis to re-neg), by benching him, and then by signing Terry. Sure they offered him more money than Miami (though no where near what they could have offered), but when you had made 178 million in your career, sometimes money is less important than just wanting to feel loved. Boston failed in making Allen feel loved, so he left for a place that truly wanted him and offered the maximum they could offer.
All of this is true, and probably fair justification for why Ray felt slighted by the organization, and thus left for Miami.
But it isn't justification for the way he handled it, particularly in regards to KG, Pierce, and Doc. Those guys seemingly always did right by Ray. Not returning their calls/texts was clearly a diss, and most likely at the heart of why those three, in particular, still harbor ill will towards Ray. I don't blame them in the least.
As for Rondo and Ray, and their feelings towards each other, well, I'm sure both did things to each other that led to their ill feelings towards each other. They're probably both in the wrong on some level. They just didn't like each other. So, while Rondo probably doesn't have much justification for being upset over how or why Ray left, I don't blame him for not wanting Ray at a party he's putting together. I doubt Ray would have shown up anyway, even if had he been invited.
Of course Allen has said that Pierce and Garnett haven't even tried to talk to him and that Garnett especially avoided him like the plague in the games they played against each other after Allen left.
I mean here is an article that references Allen complaining he never received "recruiting" calls or texts from Pierce or Garnett (or anyone else from the Celtics). http://archive.boston.com/sports/basketball/2012/10/29/ray-allen-exit-from-celtics-didn-bring-closure/iMglI0Cm6y6paxs4v6ewlI/story.html
In fact that story says "Garnett was the lone Celtic to communicate with Allen during the process, sent him a “Do what’s best for you, but know we want you to come back” text, and the two haven’t spoken since."
Hmm, how could Allen ignore texts and calls that were never sent?
Obviously known of us are there, but Allen put a lot out there that really wasn't contradicted by anyone until recently. And the only reason we are talking about this now is because Allen's former teammates, not Allen, went public with something that should have remained a private matter. Couple that with what we know about Rondo and Garnett, especially, and it seems pretty apparent who is in the right on this one and who is in the wrong.
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Both Pierce and KG are on record as stating they tried multiple times to reach out to Ray during free agency and were ignored.
It's an indisputable fact. I'm not going to search for the links, but they are there. Do your own homework.
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It also seems like this is more than just KG, Pierce and Rondo.
Here is Rondo discussing the process
"This party, however, doesn’t include an invite to ex-Celtics star guard Ray Allen.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake,” said Rondo to The Undefeated when asked why Allen wasn’t invited."
In the article it seems like the only one that stood up for Ray was Leon Powe. Obviously we don't know the details but if there are like 5 guys that feel super negative towards Allen and don't want him around it becomes harder and harder to side with Ray.
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Both Pierce and KG are on record as stating they tried multiple times to reach out to Ray during free agency and were ignored.
It's an indisputable fact. I'm not going to search for the links, but they are there. Do your own homework.
and yet we have an article which states the exact opposite that was a few months after he left. That says Rivers is annoyed that the story is changing, not that Allen was making things up.
I'd tend to believe Allen on this. He would have no reason to just state these things if they weren't true (and could easily be contradicted by others), while Pierce and Garnett would have every reason to fudge how he left because they were looking bad for the way they were treating Allen (and it was years later so evidence would be gone).
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well the same could be said about Allen. in order to make himself look good he says that everyone disrespected him ...
why would his teamplayers PP and KG in particular act like this?
btw I find the whole "the team shopped me around so i am mad and go to the biggest rival" story pathetic. a 20y veteran should know how the league works. it s always business and not only when a player acts tough to get the best contract.
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
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I don't think the signing of Jason Terry was disrespectful for Allen. My memory is that Terry was often the ball handler off the bench and Danny was trying to pair some of the then-best 3pt shooters of the time.
Terry was also a game closer, but they weren't both gonna close on the same team.
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Ray Allen was a ring-chaser and a turncoat, good riddance
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
I read this part as Rivers saying we could guess which two guys were still most mad, but that he was surprised a couple of other guys still were. Rondo also references asking multiple players and getting no and people shaking their head no. These comments combined seem to be talking about more than Garnett, Pierce and Rondo.
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well the same could be said about Allen. in order to make himself look good he says that everyone disrespected him ...
why would his teamplayers PP and KG in particular act like this?
btw I find the whole "the team shopped me around so i am mad and go to the biggest rival" story pathetic. a 20y veteran should know how the league works. it s always business and not only when a player acts tough to get the best contract.
He didn't say any of the players disrespected him only that he only received one text (the one from KG I quoted above). That is no where near the same thing as saying we tried to contact him multiple times but he never got back to us. I just find it very hard to believe that Allen, a couple of months after leaving, is going on the record saying he only received one text from Garnett and that no one else reached out to him, is lying when he does it. Especially when there is no reason for Allen to even bring it up in that context (especially if he is going to lie about it). Then years later that all of a sudden all these guys supposedly reached out to him and Allen ignored their messages. I mean which one is more plausible here. The guy saying no one contacted him a couple of months later (who had no reason to even bring that up), or the guys years after the fact, after getting some bad press, decide to say nope Allen was lying the years prior because we reached out to him multiple times.
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
I read this part as Rivers saying we could guess which two guys were still most mad, but that he was surprised a couple of other guys still were. Rondo also references asking multiple players and getting no and people shaking their head no. These comments combined seem to be talking about more than Garnett, Pierce and Rondo.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake”
"I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
How do you read those quotes as him asking more than 2 people (i.e. a couple)? Now maybe he did, but there is nothing in the article that says that.
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
I read this part as Rivers saying we could guess which two guys were still most mad, but that he was surprised a couple of other guys still were. Rondo also references asking multiple players and getting no and people shaking their head no. These comments combined seem to be talking about more than Garnett, Pierce and Rondo.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake”
"I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
How do you read those quotes as him asking more than 2 people (i.e. a couple)? Now maybe he did, but there is nothing in the article that says that.
I mean.. we are getting into semantics here, but it certainly seems like he was referencing talking to a few of the guys that were not already on the record having come out against speaking to Allen (Pierce, KG). Which would mean KG, Rondo, Pierce plus couple of mystery guys all feel the same way.
Also to me it is noticeable that only Leon Powe of everyone on that team involved has come out and spoke. I really think you are underselling that Allen did some jerky things to have 3-5 people (or perhaps even more) mad at him a decade later. Considering none of us were in their rooms or privy to their conversations and what they said to each other in the years they were teammates or afterwards, that you are blindly siding with Allen in all of this.
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I feel like VH1 is filming a reality show about Rondo trying to put together this big reunion with ongoing story arcs like not being able to locate PJ Brown and not inviting Ray Allen as main plot points. If the ratings start to dip, they can always have Glen Davis announce his pregnancy.
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
I read this part as Rivers saying we could guess which two guys were still most mad, but that he was surprised a couple of other guys still were. Rondo also references asking multiple players and getting no and people shaking their head no. These comments combined seem to be talking about more than Garnett, Pierce and Rondo.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake”
"I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
How do you read those quotes as him asking more than 2 people (i.e. a couple)? Now maybe he did, but there is nothing in the article that says that.
I mean.. we are getting into semantics here, but it certainly seems like he was referencing talking to a few of the guys that were not already on the record having come out against speaking to Allen (Pierce, KG). Which would mean KG, Rondo, Pierce plus couple of mystery guys all feel the same way.
Also to me it is noticeable that only Leon Powe of everyone on that team involved has come out and spoke. I really think you are underselling that Allen did some jerky things to have 3-5 people (or perhaps even more) mad at him a decade later. Considering none of us were in their rooms or privy to their conversations and what they said to each other in the years they were teammates or afterwards, that you are blindly siding with Allen in all of this.
I'd bet most of the team wouldn't care if Allen was there, but don't care enough to speak up about him being there, when they know Rondo, Pierce, and Garnett don't want him there. I mean if it doesn't really matter to you, but you know him being there is going to cause a lot of tension with some people, and that tension could potentially ruin your own good time, you'd probably rather just not have him there. This is all about Rondo and Garnett and Pierce to a lesser extent. That is pretty much what Rivers said, and considering he still sees Pierce every day, I'd bet he has a pretty good handle on this.
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Ray Allen is a low down dirty snake. A grimmy slimmy little ****.
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
I read this part as Rivers saying we could guess which two guys were still most mad, but that he was surprised a couple of other guys still were. Rondo also references asking multiple players and getting no and people shaking their head no. These comments combined seem to be talking about more than Garnett, Pierce and Rondo.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake”
"I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
How do you read those quotes as him asking more than 2 people (i.e. a couple)? Now maybe he did, but there is nothing in the article that says that.
I mean.. we are getting into semantics here, but it certainly seems like he was referencing talking to a few of the guys that were not already on the record having come out against speaking to Allen (Pierce, KG). Which would mean KG, Rondo, Pierce plus couple of mystery guys all feel the same way.
Also to me it is noticeable that only Leon Powe of everyone on that team involved has come out and spoke. I really think you are underselling that Allen did some jerky things to have 3-5 people (or perhaps even more) mad at him a decade later. Considering none of us were in their rooms or privy to their conversations and what they said to each other in the years they were teammates or afterwards, that you are blindly siding with Allen in all of this.
The poster you are referring to in the bolted seems to 100% of the time side against the Celtics.
I don't understand it.
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"Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers say Ray Allen should be a part of Celtics reunion"
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danny-ainge-doc-rivers-say-ray-allen-should-be-a-part-of-celtics-reunion/
It really sounds like almost the whole team hates him now...
Not sure how you got that from the article. Doc suggests it's mainly KG and Rondo:
When asked who would be most difficult to convince, Rivers offered only a hint: “I won’t say any names, but you can figure out the two. I’ve been surprised at a couple of guys and they’re still mad. Yeah, I get it, but it’s time to move on.”
Rivers is pretty obviously referring to Rondo and Garnett. In the Boston Globe story, Pierce said he’d probably have to be the mediator, joking that he should try to arrange for Allen make a surprise appearance on “Area 21,” Garnett’s TNT segment. Pierce said he has no issues with Allen and would answer the phone if he called. That would be a good start.
I read this part as Rivers saying we could guess which two guys were still most mad, but that he was surprised a couple of other guys still were. Rondo also references asking multiple players and getting no and people shaking their head no. These comments combined seem to be talking about more than Garnett, Pierce and Rondo.
“I asked a couple of the guys. I got a no, a no head shake”
"I called and reached out to a couple of other vets and asked them what they wanted to do with the situation. They told me to stick with what we got [without Allen].”
How do you read those quotes as him asking more than 2 people (i.e. a couple)? Now maybe he did, but there is nothing in the article that says that.
I mean.. we are getting into semantics here, but it certainly seems like he was referencing talking to a few of the guys that were not already on the record having come out against speaking to Allen (Pierce, KG). Which would mean KG, Rondo, Pierce plus couple of mystery guys all feel the same way.
Also to me it is noticeable that only Leon Powe of everyone on that team involved has come out and spoke. I really think you are underselling that Allen did some jerky things to have 3-5 people (or perhaps even more) mad at him a decade later. Considering none of us were in their rooms or privy to their conversations and what they said to each other in the years they were teammates or afterwards, that you are blindly siding with Allen in all of this.
The poster you are referring to in the bolted seems to 100% of the time side against the Celtics.
I don't understand it.
Um last time I checked not a single player being discussed is actually a Celtic.
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I certainly don't know what went on behind closed doors but was it THAT bad to get to this point?
Seriously?
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Efuqe--Qoag/UvZ97V4gmfI/AAAAAAAAfPQ/gNCvTzqZ5Ek/s1600/WeekendAtBernies_184Pyxurz.jpg)
I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Efuqe--Qoag/UvZ97V4gmfI/AAAAAAAAfPQ/gNCvTzqZ5Ek/s1600/WeekendAtBernies_184Pyxurz.jpg)
I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
Is this serious? Kevin Love has been rumored to have been traded every season he has been part of the big 3 Cleveland. I am sure we will hear rumors for Klay/Dray the next few years (I guess there was a fake one already for Klay) over the next few years as the Warriors play. We also may hear them years after the fact like we did with the Memphis trade. The only reason we probably didn't hear as much back in the day was it was not as big a 24/7 news cycle with rumors flying all over on twitter and as many "sources".
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Efuqe--Qoag/UvZ97V4gmfI/AAAAAAAAfPQ/gNCvTzqZ5Ek/s1600/WeekendAtBernies_184Pyxurz.jpg)
I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
That isn't "one better" It's a poor rationalization. And if any of those Celtics were involved in trade talks, you can bet your bottom that they wouldn't sulk and pout and abandon their teammates for the enemy. It's a business, and Benedict took it personally, and then disingenuously under the guise of a "business" decision, made it personal.
Judas petulantly, vindictively and mean spiritedly tried to get back at/hurt Ainge, Doc and Rondo in particular and the organization in general. That was his motivation. It wasn't money and it wasn't a title (that was just an incidental bonus), and it was all done with KG and PP as irrelevant, collateral damage to Judas, despite them going to bat for him against the Mayo trade.
What Ainge (in trying to trade Judas) and Doc (in benching him in favor of Bradley) did to poor little ray ray was done TO IMPROVE THE CELTICS. What Allen did was petty and narcissistic.
And if someone doesn't understand anyone else's inability to forgive a particular action (not in general, but a specific, particular action), that person should question their own ability to be empathic rather than condescendingly question another's (KG, PP, other unnamed players on the '08 squad and MANY members on this board) mental state.
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
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I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
Is this serious? Kevin Love has been rumored to have been traded every season he has been part of the big 3 Cleveland. I am sure we will hear rumors for Klay/Dray the next few years (I guess there was a fake one already for Klay) over the next few years as the Warriors play. We also may hear them years after the fact like we did with the Memphis trade. The only reason we probably didn't hear as much back in the day was it was not as big a 24/7 news cycle with rumors flying all over on twitter and as many "sources".
Of course I'm serious.
KLove's potential as a First-Ballot NBA HOFer is debatable, at best....even though I love his game.
Ray Allen? Undoubtedly a 1st Ballot HOFer. One of the best shooter EVER (clutch and otherwise).
They are not in the same class, at least not yet. KLove's story is still being written.
Klay/Dray? No solid / verified rumors as of yet, so we can't compare.
The more I think about this the crazier it seems. If Rajon Rondo is trying to organize a "2008 Boston Celtics NBA Championship get-together then why in TARNATION is he concerned about 2012 (Ray Allen leaving)?
In my best Yoda impression - "A Rat I smell."
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
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Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
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I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
That isn't "one better" It's a poor rationalization. And if any of those Celtics were involved in trade talks, you can bet your bottom that they wouldn't sulk and pout and abandon their teammates for the enemy. It's a business, and Benedict took it personally, and then disingenuously under the guise of a "business" decision, made it personal.
Judas petulantly, vindictively and mean spiritedly tried to get back at/hurt Ainge, Doc and Rondo in particular and the organization in general. That was his motivation. It wasn't money and it wasn't a title (that was just an incidental bonus), and it was all done with KG and PP as irrelevant, collateral damage to Judas, despite them going to bat for him against the Mayo trade.
What Ainge (in trying to trade Judas) and Doc (in benching him in favor of Bradley) did to poor little ray ray was done TO IMPROVE THE CELTICS. What Allen did was petty and narcissistic.
And if someone doesn't understand anyone else's inability to forgive a particular action (not in general, but a specific, particular action), that person should question their own ability to be empathic rather than condescendingly question another's (KG, PP, other unnamed players on the '08 squad and MANY members on this board) mental state.
As I just posted a few minutes ago - why in TARNATION would Rajon Rondo (or anyone) try to exclude ANYONE from this party "IF" there wasn't some ignorant venom at work?
As the thread title states - 2008 NBA TITLE. Ray did not leave until 2012. And benching him for AB - while I understood it - did NOT stop LeBron James from running roughshod over our team - especially in that painful Game 6 2012 ECF.
This is a SPORT - not LIFE. You celebrate the Good times - not someone leaving for a better opportunity.
I disliked Ray Allen leaving but I understood it. Oddly enough, I felt no ill-will towards him for doing so at the time.
What I dislike NOW is this Grand-standing and exclusion of grown men and trying to ostracize. I also dislike being on a Blog that attempts to intimidate others into a singular thought pattern.
Won't work with me. Hasn't worked with me. I don't do cliques or pity parties.
As much as I love PP34, KG, Rondo, Ray and BOSTON I can (and certainly WILL) make my point clear.
And I have.
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
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I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
That isn't "one better" It's a poor rationalization. And if any of those Celtics were involved in trade talks, you can bet your bottom that they wouldn't sulk and pout and abandon their teammates for the enemy. It's a business, and Benedict took it personally, and then disingenuously under the guise of a "business" decision, made it personal.
Judas petulantly, vindictively and mean spiritedly tried to get back at/hurt Ainge, Doc and Rondo in particular and the organization in general. That was his motivation. It wasn't money and it wasn't a title (that was just an incidental bonus), and it was all done with KG and PP as irrelevant, collateral damage to Judas, despite them going to bat for him against the Mayo trade.
What Ainge (in trying to trade Judas) and Doc (in benching him in favor of Bradley) did to poor little ray ray was done TO IMPROVE THE CELTICS. What Allen did was petty and narcissistic.
And if someone doesn't understand anyone else's inability to forgive a particular action (not in general, but a specific, particular action), that person should question their own ability to be empathic rather than condescendingly question another's (KG, PP, other unnamed players on the '08 squad and MANY members on this board) mental state.
As I just posted a few minutes ago - why in TARNATION would Rajon Rondo (or anyone) try to exclude ANYONE from this party "IF" there wasn't some ignorant venom at work?
As the thread title states - 2008 NBA TITLE. Ray did not leave until 2012.
This is a SPORT - not LIFE. You celebrate the Good times - not someone leaving for a better opportunity.
I disliked Ray Allen leaving but I understood it. Oddly enough, I felt no ill-will towards him for do so at the time.
What I dislike NOW is this Grand-standing and exclusion of grown men and trying to ostracize. I also dislike being on a Blog that attempts to intimidate others into a singular thought pattern.
Won't work with me. Hasn't worked with me. I don't do cliques or pity parties.
As much as I love PP34, KG, Rondo, Ray and BOSTON I can (and certainly WILL) make my point clear.
And I have.
Not really sure what you are referencing here. The board seems to be split about 50 50 on the topic. Who is trying to intimidate anyone here
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When you win a championship and host a party, you can decide who to invite to your party.
Until that time, (which could be a very very long time-perhaps even another lifetime for many of you :o) let Rondo and his NBA champion teammates decide who is on the invite list.
Certainly Ray's move to Miami was his own decision. Let Rondo have his.
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This whole thing is EMBARRASSING - with a Capital "E" (Dick Vitale voice).
(http://delifreshthreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dick-Vitale.jpg)
Can anyone here imagine Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, Dave Cowens, Hondo, etc, etc, etc - excluding a teammate?
UNCELTIC.
I think that the more salient question is:
"Can anyone imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend that you want to invoke) bailing on his team and going to the Fakers, Sixers or Knicks?"
In the Vitale voice: "BABY"
I'll do you one better.
"Can anyone here imagine Cousy, Russell, Hondo, Cowens (and any other Cs legend you want to invoke) being held out as TRADE BAIT....actually "BEING" traded (reportedly) to MEM (deal fell through at last minute supposedly)....dealing with a talented (but certainly PETULANT) PG in Rondo...."
And WE ALL know how Rondo can be. I've debated / defended him Ad Infinitum on here.
Name me ONE "Big Three" player on ANY NBA TEAM in history that had to deal with being traded / rumored to be traded....over a 2-3 year period.
Certainly, the Trade Winds started blowing for Ray Allen around 2010, if I remember correctly. I disliked him leaving like that but you know what? He came through SO MANY times for BOSTON that after a while I could move on from him leaving.
Spare me the "NBA is a business" shenanigans. ALL parties (Danny, KG, Rondo, Paul, AND RAY could've handled it better but for it to NOW culminate to a Weekend Party at Bernies this summer (with Ray Allen being the DEAD CORPSE) is UTTERLY ridiculous and childish.
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I don't care how competitive you are....you can forget and forgive ANYTHING if you so chose to.
I'd be the first to question ANYONE's mental state if you cannot forgive.
That isn't "one better" It's a poor rationalization. And if any of those Celtics were involved in trade talks, you can bet your bottom that they wouldn't sulk and pout and abandon their teammates for the enemy. It's a business, and Benedict took it personally, and then disingenuously under the guise of a "business" decision, made it personal.
Judas petulantly, vindictively and mean spiritedly tried to get back at/hurt Ainge, Doc and Rondo in particular and the organization in general. That was his motivation. It wasn't money and it wasn't a title (that was just an incidental bonus), and it was all done with KG and PP as irrelevant, collateral damage to Judas, despite them going to bat for him against the Mayo trade.
What Ainge (in trying to trade Judas) and Doc (in benching him in favor of Bradley) did to poor little ray ray was done TO IMPROVE THE CELTICS. What Allen did was petty and narcissistic.
And if someone doesn't understand anyone else's inability to forgive a particular action (not in general, but a specific, particular action), that person should question their own ability to be empathic rather than condescendingly question another's (KG, PP, other unnamed players on the '08 squad and MANY members on this board) mental state.
As I just posted a few minutes ago - why in TARNATION would Rajon Rondo (or anyone) try to exclude ANYONE from this party "IF" there wasn't some ignorant venom at work?
As the thread title states - 2008 NBA TITLE. Ray did not leave until 2012.
This is a SPORT - not LIFE. You celebrate the Good times - not someone leaving for a better opportunity.
I disliked Ray Allen leaving but I understood it. Oddly enough, I felt no ill-will towards him for do so at the time.
What I dislike NOW is this Grand-standing and exclusion of grown men and trying to ostracize. I also dislike being on a Blog that attempts to intimidate others into a singular thought pattern.
Won't work with me. Hasn't worked with me. I don't do cliques or pity parties.
As much as I love PP34, KG, Rondo, Ray and BOSTON I can (and certainly WILL) make my point clear.
And I have.
Not really sure what you are referencing here. The board seems to be split about 50 50 on the topic. Who is trying to intimidate anyone here
Using words like "poor rationalization" won't cut it in a debate where I simply can't understand the aesthetics behind this "party."
It's making that 2008 NBA Championship team NOW look like the Clue Club.
It hurt SO BAD for Ray Allen to leave that we're NOW excluding him from our party.
I don't understand it.
I say this as a die-hard Celtics fan. This party stinks. I'd rather NOT have it than to exclude ANYONE.
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Seems to be a ton of conflicting opinions here...imo what Ray did wasn't betrayal to the fans but the teammates; he left paul and kevin hanging when they wanted one final run. Worse of all he joined a team that was their bitter rival and did not even explain it to them when they asked by phone. I think they have good reason to hate Ray for this.
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Seems to be a ton of conflicting opinions here...imo what Ray did wasn't betrayal to the fans but the teammates; he left paul and kevin hanging when they wanted one final run. Worse of all he joined a team that was their bitter rival and did not even explain it to them when they asked by phone. I think they have good reason to hate Ray for this.
But 5 years later?
So, when Ray and KG (or Paul and Ray, can't remember) go into the HOF I can see that their "speeches" will be quite awkward.
So, in 2020 (or 2021) will they STILL hate Ray Allen? Over his choice?
I thought our "enemy" was The Los Angeles Lakers. I "STILL" hurt from Magic's Hook Shot in 87'.
But this? The Heat? Sad.
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Just to ME - this makes BOS look rather small - that the last contending team we've had NOW seemingly harbored ill feelings amongst its Big Three.
I understand that things happen and players don't always agree - I get that. But now this "Ill Will" culminating in a Very Public Exclusion of a future 1st Ballot HOFer from a future "Party" overseas.
This is comical, to ME. And embarrassing. UNCELTIC.
If you didn't get along, or had issues - just have the party in SECRET - without making it public on this scale.
Or - better yet - don't have it.
Why are you going to open up old wounds or throw salt in the wound by taking it to this level?
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Just to ME - this makes BOS look rather small - that the last contending team we've had NOW seemingly harbored ill feelings amongst its Big Three.
I understand that things happen and players don't always agree - I get that. But now this "Ill Will" culminating in a Very Public Exclusion of a future 1st Ballot HOFer from a future "Party" overseas.
This is comical, to ME. And embarrassing. UNCELTIC.
If you didn't get along, or had issues - just have the party in SECRET - without making it public on this scale.
Or - better yet - don't have it.
Why are you going to open up old wounds or throw salt in the wound by taking it to this level?
You do not invite traitors to your party. He can go party with The Heat.
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Just to ME - this makes BOS look rather small - that the last contending team we've had NOW seemingly harbored ill feelings amongst its Big Three.
I understand that things happen and players don't always agree - I get that. But now this "Ill Will" culminating in a Very Public Exclusion of a future 1st Ballot HOFer from a future "Party" overseas.
This is comical, to ME. And embarrassing. UNCELTIC.
If you didn't get along, or had issues - just have the party in SECRET - without making it public on this scale.
Or - better yet - don't have it.
Why are you going to open up old wounds or throw salt in the wound by taking it to this level?
You do not invite traitors to your party. He can go party with The Heat.
You know, the most incredulous thing to me is that most of us are NOW celebrating Rajon Rondo as a HERO for doing THIS....
....when most of us were pillorying him during his time in DAL, SAC AND in BOS before he left.
LOL.
CelticsBlog - where Rajon Rondo is a Hero (for now).
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Ray Allen is a big time traitor, bu that is not the reason why he is hated by so many of his teammates on the Celtics.
I believe the reason he is hated so much is because... The 2008 was the first celebrated Big 3 in history. They won a championship in their first season together. They had a legacy to protect. The Big 3 are a Celtic Legend. PP is a Celtic Legend, KG is a Celtic Legend, Ray Allen is a Celtic Legend. They had a legacy 2/3 of that Legend was willing to protect that legacy, 1/3 walked away ensuring that the legacy will forever be dented, not tarnished but dented. The feel good story can never be written because one walked away. The great ending with the band playing was not to be because one legend walked away.
That Danny traded him is not excuse because the Legend of the Big 3 was bigger than Danny, maybe bigger than the Celtics. If Danny had accomplished the trade, he probably becomes the villain. Ray left, so he is the villain.
To add insult to injury Ray leaves for the rival, and anyone that thinks the Heat were not on the level of rivalry with the Lakers do not understand that for these three the Heat was their Lakers. PP did not hate the Lakers, he grew up a Laker fan. The Lakers took one chip away from KG, Miami stopped him from more than one. And even if you think the Lakers were the real rival the heat were led by the very embodiment of the hated Lakers -- Pat Riley. Ray left the Celtics for the Laker, Pat Riley. You think Pat did not like sticking that to the Celtics?
More insult to injury, probably the biggest insult, Ray, the Celtic Legend, wins a championship for the Heat, for the Laker Riley. That is why this one is hard for the 2/3 to forgive.
I bet it would have been easier to let Ray back if he had fallen flat on his face in Miami. They would have let him back and even teased him a little, but how can you let him back and have him back at the party when you know he helped the enemy win what yall played for. What made you legends. You think they want him around to show off his second ring, like 'her Ray can we see your ring'?
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Ray Allen is a big time traitor, bu that is not the reason why he is hated by so many of his teammates on the Celtics.
I believe the reason he is hated so much is because... The 2008 was the first celebrated Big 3 in history. They won a championship in their first season together. They had a legacy to protect. The Big 3 are a Celtic Legend. PP is a Celtic Legend, KG is a Celtic Legend, Ray Allen is a Celtic Legend. They had a legacy 2/3 of that Legend was willing to protect that legacy, 1/3 walked away ensuring that the legacy will forever be dented, not tarnished but dented. The feel good story can never be written because one walked away. The great ending with the band playing was not to be because one legend walked away.
That Danny traded him is not excuse because the Legend of the Big 3 was bigger than Danny, maybe bigger than the Celtics. If Danny had accomplished the trade, he probably becomes the villain. Ray left, so he is the villain.
To add insult to injury Ray leaves for the rival, and anyone that thinks the Heat were not on the level of rivalry with the Lakers do not understand that for these three the Heat was their Lakers. PP did not hate the Lakers, he grew up a Laker fan. The Lakers took one chip away from KG, Miami stopped him from more than one. And even if you think the Lakers were the real rival the heat were led by the very embodiment of the hated Lakers -- Pat Riley. Ray left the Celtics for the Laker, Pat Riley. You think Pat did not like sticking that to the Celtics?
More insult to injury, probably the biggest insult, Ray, the Celtic Legend, wins a championship for the Heat, for the Laker Riley. That is why this one is hard for the 2/3 to forgive.
I bet it would have been easier to let Ray back if he had fallen flat on his face in Miami. They would have let him back and even teased him a little, but how can you let him back and have him back at the party when you know he helped the enemy win what yall played for. What made you legends. You think they want him around to show off his second ring, like 'her Ray can we see your ring'?
Do you believe that Ray Allen - off the bench - would've helped us against MIA in 2012? I don't believe ANYONE here believes that BOS would've beaten MIA EVEN IF Ray stayed.
Short of physically tripping or injuring LeBron James - would THAT have stopped him from dropping 46 points on us in Game 6? Even with Ray?
Don't think so.
We can all wax poetic about "Ray Staying" if we want to. Go ahead and relive those cold hard years of the late 80s when this franchise lost Bias.....and our old team STAYED together.
Go ahead and relive those early 90s - including the tragedy of Reggie - and relish how our "Big Three" stayed together.
Perhaps back then Red was just too deflated to attempt a trade then. I don't blame him one bit. Add the chilling Lewis tragedy and then you're at rock bottom.
I don't blame Danny for seeing into the future and attempting to trade Ray. I did not like it, but HE lived through the 80's - as our starting SG. He saw this team deteriorate before his / our eyes. He tried to stop THIS Big Three (KG-Ray-Paul) from doing the same.
Kudos to Danny for doing JUST THAT. We got a motherload from BKN because of it.
Ray - being the most talked-about trade chip for 2-3 years - bolted before the uncertainty became reality. He chose his path. He made himself the villain instead of Danny.
While he was here he brought me a TON of pleasant memories...a TON of clutch shots. His drive past Vujacic in that HISTORIC Game 4 2008 Finals.
To call him a Traitor? Now? 5 years later? UNCELTIC. Ray Allen did not eat any babies nor kick any puppies.
For Rajon Rondo to publicly do this is vindictive. And UNCELTIC.
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Ray is a traitor whether you call him that or not is your choice but he betrayed the BIG 3.
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Ray is a traitor whether you call him that or not is your choice but he betrayed the BIG 3.
TP for stating what is the obvious to so many.
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...and he left to take HALF as much in salary as was offered him by the Celts. I will cherish the memories of his many contributions to the team, but the manner in which he departed will ALWAYS leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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Well, at least this CURRENT team seems to get along great - from top to bottom.
No faux camaraderie from what I / we can see, I suppose.
Go Celtics.........?
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I will never forget the memories that he was part of and I will always consider him as a very important part of Celtics' history, but nothing, nothing can change that he was a traitor. And GreenFaith1819, when you say that was just the path he chose. I agree. That is the path that he chose - a path of a TRAITOR!
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The real crime? Forgetting to invite Scot Pollard! He's the guy I want at a party.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/3/20/14989860/scot-pollard-wasnt-invited-to-the-2008-celtics-reunion-either-ray-allen-rajon-rondo
Also, Pollard says "I'm 99% Rajon was just trying to make sure the world knew he still had a beef with Ray Allen."
http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1104657/