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Title: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: rollie mass on March 19, 2017, 05:44:14 PM
brooklyn was all that counted and they lost today-as long as celts stay healthy for playoffs
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: GreenWarrior on March 19, 2017, 06:43:06 PM
that's certainly one way to look at it.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: hodgy03038 on March 19, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
brooklyn was all that counted and they lost today-as long as celts stay healthy for playoffs

Really? We are now one loss ahead of the Wizards who we play tomorrow night so today's game wasn't important? Wouldn't it be better to play the team right behind us with a 2-game lead rather than a 1-game lead since they already own the tie-breaker? Not sure I understand your logic. Isn't a 2 seed much better than a 3 seed? Who does the 3 seed face in the 2nd round?
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on March 19, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
Comments along the lines of "this was only one game" or "this loss is no big deal" tend to bring out the cynic in me, especially when we've already had a bunch of them over the course of the season and we're getting close to the playoffs, where "only one game" can be a team's death knell.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: GreenWarrior on March 19, 2017, 10:16:12 PM
all signs point to this team not having any success in the playoffs, at best this team gets to the 2nd rnd. and wins maybe a game.

of course if i'm wrong and they get to a game within beating Cleveland in the eastern conf. finals boy are they really going to be 2nd guessing not upgrading at the trade deadline.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: Ilikesports17 on March 19, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
all signs point to this team not having any success in the playoffs, at best this team gets to the 2nd rnd. and wins maybe a game.

of course if i'm wrong and they get to a game within beating Cleveland in the eastern conf. finals boy are they really going to be 2nd guessing not upgrading at the trade deadline.
what signs are those?

we have the second best record in the East.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: iadera on March 20, 2017, 02:55:44 AM
all signs point to this team not having any success in the playoffs, at best this team gets to the 2nd rnd. and wins maybe a game.

of course if i'm wrong and they get to a game within beating Cleveland in the eastern conf. finals boy are they really going to be 2nd guessing not upgrading at the trade deadline.
what signs are those?

we have the second best record in the East.

Very obvious signs. Our offensive versatility is very tight and sterile without Thomas. So, if that means we rely too much on him, it is obvious that he has no right to have a bad night in any playoff game. Not to mention that he must stay healthy.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: SparzWizard on March 20, 2017, 03:25:02 AM
Yes big deal. Celtics can't beat scrub teams like the 76ers without IT4.
Celtics squeezed by Brooklyn without IT4.

Celtics need more playmakers. Once playoffs hit, and teams start shutting down IT4 the C's are doomed.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: Greyman on March 20, 2017, 03:47:38 AM
While I don't believe that it is a time to panic, blowing a 13 point lead worries me as much as the game itself. Playoff teams need to find the ways to win. We still don't know if this team or coach can stand the heat when the pressure is on. Despite the last two seasons poor playoff results, this season the team is better and hopefully healthy.

The Celtics rely heavily on IT but also rely heavily on the team dynamic as there is not other 'star' who can turn a game. IT, AB, JC and Horford are very consistent. It will be how KO, JB, Smart, JJ, and to a lesser extent Green and Rozier, contribute that could decide close playoff games. Amir needs to be on song too.

I don't say this single game showed it but it is vital that the team is able to find ways to turn things around quickly when the opposition goes on a run. Tough it out when you don't get the bounce. It is as much about attitude and effort as talent.

Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: rollie mass on March 20, 2017, 04:44:33 AM
it seems like most of top teams are losing  more regularly as season runs down-it seems there is a theme of losing to inferior teams that may be motivated to make playoffs or not face the cavs
-then there are the young and fringe players hustling for the next season on poor teams
beating brooklyn was essential  for draft pick as they had been playing well and lakers are in full tank
but philly just don't get hurt

as fans we may be caught up in race but then all thats talked about after season is its no big deal unless you win the title or at best progress to eastern finals
 we beat the warriors,we beat the cavs two important wins both on their courts those were big wins for the playoffs for us
tonight is a big deal coming off our last loss to wizards and protecting home court

Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: timpiker on March 20, 2017, 09:13:45 AM
I guess a bigger picture is that if the C's are a 2 or a 3 seed does it really matter?  Or a 1 seed ?  To me, the biggest issue is that the C's basically suck without IT having a big game.  Why do I say "suck"?  They have a losing record against good teams and can barely beat bad teams.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: Surferdad on March 20, 2017, 09:26:28 AM
Only one season, so no big deal
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: hodgy03038 on March 20, 2017, 09:27:25 AM
I guess a bigger picture is that if the C's are a 2 or a 3 seed does it really matter? Or a 1 seed ?  To me, the biggest issue is that the C's basically suck without IT having a big game.  Why do I say "suck"?  They have a losing record against good teams and can barely beat bad teams.


I think it matters a lot. If we are the 3 seed instead of the 2 and actually win the first round then our next opponent would be the Cavs. Would you rather face the Cavs in round 2 or the winner of say the TOR/ATL series? I think that is a no brainer.

If we are just happy for the future and settle for the fact that we aren't winning it all this year then what free agent wants to come here? If we lose in 1st round or if we get spanked in second round to the Cavs does that make a Griffin or Hayward anxious to join mediocrity?

We need the 2 seed and we need to go to the ECF if we want to attract big free agents. And who knows maybe we get hot and can really push or beat the Cavs.....

Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on March 20, 2017, 09:45:17 AM
Our biggest problem all year has been the capacity of wasting big leads, with and without Thomas.

This has led to a lot of close games and squeezing our starters due to very few blowout games in the 4th quarter. It may have a negative effect in April-May.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: rollie mass on March 20, 2017, 09:54:55 AM
beating brooklyn after they had a little streak of playing well and then their 2nd loss yesterday was what i was watching
-getting the best odds in lottery seems more important than losing to philly-their players wanted it more
  watched first half of philly and haven't gone back to watch full game but rozier really can disrupt flow,brown may have eaten too much popcorn and avery's shot looked straight line
-unless there is a clear seeding advantage or psychological advantage
 why play playoff defense ,dive for loose balls and jeopardize being being healthy or antagonizing lebron by beating the cavs for first---in the end they have love back
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: Moranis on March 20, 2017, 10:05:48 AM
I guess a bigger picture is that if the C's are a 2 or a 3 seed does it really matter? Or a 1 seed ?  To me, the biggest issue is that the C's basically suck without IT having a big game.  Why do I say "suck"?  They have a losing record against good teams and can barely beat bad teams.


I think it matters a lot. If we are the 3 seed instead of the 2 and actually win the first round then our next opponent would be the Cavs. Would you rather face the Cavs in round 2 or the winner of say the TOR/ATL series? I think that is a no brainer.

If we are just happy for the future and settle for the fact that we aren't winning it all this year then what free agent wants to come here? If we lose in 1st round or if we get spanked in second round to the Cavs does that make a Griffin or Hayward anxious to join mediocrity?

We need the 2 seed and we need to go to the ECF if we want to attract big free agents. And who knows maybe we get hot and can really push or beat the Cavs.....
the 2 and the 3 play each other in the 2nd round.  The difference between those is who gets the extra home game and playing the 6 or 7 seed in the first round.  I don't see a whole lot of difference between the 6 and 7 seed this year (the 6 might even be a better matchup than the 7), but the extra home game could be big in a close tight series.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: SparzWizard on March 20, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
I guess a bigger picture is that if the C's are a 2 or a 3 seed does it really matter? Or a 1 seed ?  To me, the biggest issue is that the C's basically suck without IT having a big game.  Why do I say "suck"?  They have a losing record against good teams and can barely beat bad teams.


I think it matters a lot. If we are the 3 seed instead of the 2 and actually win the first round then our next opponent would be the Cavs. Would you rather face the Cavs in round 2 or the winner of say the TOR/ATL series? I think that is a no brainer.

If we are just happy for the future and settle for the fact that we aren't winning it all this year then what free agent wants to come here? If we lose in 1st round or if we get spanked in second round to the Cavs does that make a Griffin or Hayward anxious to join mediocrity?

We need the 2 seed and we need to go to the ECF if we want to attract big free agents. And who knows maybe we get hot and can really push or beat the Cavs.....
the 2 and the 3 play each other in the 2nd round.  The difference between those is who gets the extra home game and playing the 6 or 7 seed in the first round.  I don't see a whole lot of difference between the 6 and 7 seed this year (the 6 might even be a better matchup than the 7), but the extra home game could be big in a close tight series.

As a 3-seed facing the 2-seed, just got to steal Game 1 and/or 2 and defend home court and you be good.

Just dealing with the first-round opponents will be the Celtics' test. Pacers/Heat/Bucks. Some pretty athletic teams.
Title: Re: no big deal a so what loss
Post by: Evantime34 on March 20, 2017, 02:52:01 PM
I guess a bigger picture is that if the C's are a 2 or a 3 seed does it really matter? Or a 1 seed ?  To me, the biggest issue is that the C's basically suck without IT having a big game.  Why do I say "suck"?  They have a losing record against good teams and can barely beat bad teams.


I think it matters a lot. If we are the 3 seed instead of the 2 and actually win the first round then our next opponent would be the Cavs. Would you rather face the Cavs in round 2 or the winner of say the TOR/ATL series? I think that is a no brainer.

If we are just happy for the future and settle for the fact that we aren't winning it all this year then what free agent wants to come here? If we lose in 1st round or if we get spanked in second round to the Cavs does that make a Griffin or Hayward anxious to join mediocrity?

We need the 2 seed and we need to go to the ECF if we want to attract big free agents. And who knows maybe we get hot and can really push or beat the Cavs.....
the 2 and the 3 play each other in the 2nd round.  The difference between those is who gets the extra home game and playing the 6 or 7 seed in the first round.  I don't see a whole lot of difference between the 6 and 7 seed this year (the 6 might even be a better matchup than the 7), but the extra home game could be big in a close tight series.
Absolutely. The home court advantage aspect of getting a high is much more important than who we play imo. Last year the Celtics showcased one of the best home court advantages in the league. Couple that with the fact that the Wiz are not good at home, it becomes even more important we get HCA for as long as possible.