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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Boris Badenov on March 15, 2017, 04:58:01 PM
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I know we've all been focusing on the top 5, but we also have a pick that's currently #39 (incoming from Minnesota).
Draftexpress currently has us picking Grayson Allen, which makes me ill, so can the college hoops junkies weigh in on who else we should be targeting there?
Here's the DE mock for reference.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/
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Great.
Another rookie. Just what we need.
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Hopefully it will be packaged in a Draft Day trade for a Star....Chitown needs more picks.
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What, you don't want another guard on the Celts for depth?
If Kelly leaves this summer, we're gonna need a replacement goofy white dude.
Can you imagine how annoyed opposing fans (and players) would get when Smart and Allen were on the floor together?
In all seriousness, I like Bam Adebayo or Semi Ojeyele as late 1st / early 2nd picks. Harry Giles could very well drop. T.J. Leaf could be worth a look. Maybe Cam Oliver or Nigel Hayes, on the other end of things.
I would guess that every pick the Celts have after the Nets pick will be sold for cash + future considerations or used on another draft-and-stash, though.
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I know we've all been focusing on the top 5, but we also have a pick that's currently #39 (incoming from Minnesota).
Draftexpress currently has us picking Grayson Allen, which makes me ill, so can the college hoops junkies weigh in on who else we should be targeting there?
Here's the DE mock for reference.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/
This draft is deep on bigs after you get out of the lottery. I'm hoping a good pf or center with that 2nd rounder.
From 22 to 31 all the guys picked are bigs. I'm hoping one of those guys or Jarrett Allen end up available with that pick.
If the Celtics sign a max free agent it will be difficult to fill out their front court roster, adding a cheap 2nd round option isn't a bad idea.
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I think Alec Peters is the name to remember. Plays the 3/4, and was recruited by Stevens to go to Butler (he chose Valpo). DE has him at 31 right now, but he could definitely be available at the Minny pick, or even be someone the team trades up a few spots for. He's a terrific scorer.
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What, you don't want another guard on the Celts for depth?
If Kelly leaves this summer, we're gonna need a replacement goofy white dude.
Can you imagine how annoyed opposing fans (and players) would get when Smart and Allen were on the floor together?
In all seriousness, I like Bam Adebayo or Semi Ojeyele as late 1st / early 2nd picks. Harry Giles could very well drop. T.J. Leaf could be worth a look. Maybe Cam Oliver or Nigel Hayes, on the other end of things.
I would guess that every pick the Celts have after the Nets pick will be sold for cash + future considerations or used on another draft-and-stash, though.
Only if that guard can't shoot.
LOL.
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I know we've all been focusing on the top 5, but we also have a pick that's currently #39 (incoming from Minnesota).
Draftexpress currently has us picking Grayson Allen, which makes me ill, so can the college hoops junkies weigh in on who else we should be targeting there?
Here's the DE mock for reference.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/
This draft is deep on bigs after you get out of the lottery. I'm hoping a good pf or center with that 2nd rounder.
From 22 to 31 all the guys picked are bigs. I'm hoping one of those guys or Jarrett Allen end up available with that pick.
If the Celtics sign a max free agent it will be difficult to fill out their front court roster, adding a cheap 2nd round option isn't a bad idea.
The Celts could really use a young, cost controlled swing forward to replace Jonas and possibly Kelly. Somebody strong, long-armed, 6'7'' - 6'10,'' who can board a little, shoot a little, pass a little, and switch a little.
Mickey doesn't look like he's gonna be an NBA player anytime soon and I'd guess that JJ, Kelly, Amir, and Zeller will all be cap casualties this summer.
That leaves us relying on Zizic, Yabu, and veteran signings to fill out the big rotation behind Horford and (hopefully) a FA frontcourt upgrade.
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I think danny opts for some kind of draft and stash
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I know we've all been focusing on the top 5, but we also have a pick that's currently #39 (incoming from Minnesota).
Draftexpress currently has us picking Grayson Allen, which makes me ill, so can the college hoops junkies weigh in on who else we should be targeting there?
Here's the DE mock for reference.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/
This draft is deep on bigs after you get out of the lottery. I'm hoping a good pf or center with that 2nd rounder.
From 22 to 31 all the guys picked are bigs. I'm hoping one of those guys or Jarrett Allen end up available with that pick.
If the Celtics sign a max free agent it will be difficult to fill out their front court roster, adding a cheap 2nd round option isn't a bad idea.
The Celts could really use a young, cost controlled swing forward to replace Jonas and possibly Kelly. Somebody strong, long-armed, 6'7'' - 6'10,'' who can board a little, shoot a little, pass a little, and switch a little.
Mickey doesn't look like he's gonna be an NBA player anytime soon and I'd guess that JJ, Kelly, Amir, and Zeller will all be cap casualties this summer.
That leaves us relying on Zizic, Yabu, and veteran signings to fill out the big rotation behind Horford and (hopefully) a FA frontcourt upgrade.
He's probably sticking in college one more year, but watch DJ Wilson of Michigan in the tourney. He's 6'9" - 6'10", with a reportedly 7'3" wingspan. He can shoot the 3, make acrobatic dunks, and defend the 3-5.
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
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Draft and stash makes the most sense.
Jordan Bell gets mocked in that range, I like him as a tough defender and rebounder at the PF spot, seems to have an improving offensive game.
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I would like to take a chance on Thomas Bryant. Big man can shoot it a little. Maybe he and Nader could be the 16th/17th spots that go back and forth from the Red Claws and the Celtics?
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I think Alec Peters is the name to remember. Plays the 3/4, and was recruited by Stevens to go to Butler (he chose Valpo). DE has him at 31 right now, but he could definitely be available at the Minny pick, or even be someone the team trades up a few spots for. He's a terrific scorer.
I like Peters too...been including him in the Draft prospects thread for awhile.
Don't like his season-ending stress fracture, though, he's been out for two weeks.
Thomas Bryant, if he comes out, should get a look from us. Can block shots and not a bad three point shooter.
Ben Lammers, Moritz Wagner, Bell or Dorsey or Brooks from Oregon and Monte Morris and Deonte Burton should get looks too.
EDIT: TPS to chili and jay. I am very slow posting things. (Bell, Bryant)
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
Yeah this was my sense too, I don't understand the whole "we have too many picks and need to stash" argument. I could see Danny going for a 4 year guy, even, given that we will have some other rookies around.
Are you taking it as given that we renounce everyone, to clear max cap space? Is there any chance in your view that Danny looks at the FA landscape and decides that someone is worth retaining?
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Not what we need, but I love Grayson Allen's game
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
Yeah this was my sense too, I don't understand the whole "we have too many picks and need to stash" argument. I could see Danny going for a 4 year guy, even, given that we will have some other rookies around.
Are you taking it as given that we renounce everyone, to clear max cap space? Is there any chance in your view that Danny looks at the FA landscape and decides that someone is worth retaining?
I could see someone sticking around, but there are only 8 guys with even partially guaranteed contracts next season, and Jackson could be moved as well, especially if a PG is picked at the top of the draft. If they intend to use cap space on a max/near-max salary, or signing a large extension or two, they're going to have a tough time filling the rest of the spots.
I think the roster has four rookies on it next year. The Brooklyn pick, Zizic, and two of Yab, Nader, and the Minny pick. That's a lot of young guys to get minutes for, but the Brooklyn pick and Zizic should theoretically be ready to step into the rotation from day 1. Since you can only have 13 guys active on a given night, that leaves room for two players shuttling back and forth to Portland when the team is healthy (and realistically, even when they're down a man or two.)
Look for the late 2nds to be the Two-Way contract types.
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
Yeah this was my sense too, I don't understand the whole "we have too many picks and need to stash" argument. I could see Danny going for a 4 year guy, even, given that we will have some other rookies around.
Are you taking it as given that we renounce everyone, to clear max cap space? Is there any chance in your view that Danny looks at the FA landscape and decides that someone is worth retaining?
I could see someone sticking around, but there are only 8 guys with even partially guaranteed contracts next season, and Jackson could be moved as well, especially if a PG is picked at the top of the draft. If they intend to use cap space on a max/near-max salary, or signing a large extension or two, they're going to have a tough time filling the rest of the spots.
I think the roster has four rookies on it next year. The Brooklyn pick, Zizic, and two of Yab, Nader, and the Minny pick. That's a lot of young guys to get minutes for, but the Brooklyn pick and Zizic should theoretically be ready to step into the rotation from day 1. Since you can only have 13 guys active on a given night, that leaves room for two players shuttling back and forth to Portland when the team is healthy (and realistically, even when they're down a man or two.)
Look for the late 2nds to be the Two-Way contract types.
See, I don't agree. If the Celtics sign a max level guy, the front office is going to want to "go for it". With as many as 4 guaranteed rookies, two probably playing in the top 10 players or so, on the roster already, along with Rozier and Brown with little experience, I can't see Ainge saddling Stevens with even more young players. I could see him using the room exception and min contracts to fill the rest of the roster with experienced vets who could be of use to Stevens in the post season, rather than have him try to win playoff guys with untested youth.
If the Celtics don't land that max level free agent, I see some of the same players that are currently on the roster coming back, or different guys on similar type deals, and Ainge again looking to fill only about 4 slots with rookies(the rookies replacing Young, Mickey, Zeller), maybe 5 given the new slots opening up with Nader and a second rounder being in those slots and almost exclusively playing in Maine.
I just don't see Ainge adding 6-8 rookies, even with the two extra slots.
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Assuming that the draft goes per the DraftExpress mock, I wouldn't want Allen. I'd probably go with Dwayne Bacon or Kobi Simmons.
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
Yeah this was my sense too, I don't understand the whole "we have too many picks and need to stash" argument. I could see Danny going for a 4 year guy, even, given that we will have some other rookies around.
Are you taking it as given that we renounce everyone, to clear max cap space? Is there any chance in your view that Danny looks at the FA landscape and decides that someone is worth retaining?
I could see someone sticking around, but there are only 8 guys with even partially guaranteed contracts next season, and Jackson could be moved as well, especially if a PG is picked at the top of the draft. If they intend to use cap space on a max/near-max salary, or signing a large extension or two, they're going to have a tough time filling the rest of the spots.
I think the roster has four rookies on it next year. The Brooklyn pick, Zizic, and two of Yab, Nader, and the Minny pick. That's a lot of young guys to get minutes for, but the Brooklyn pick and Zizic should theoretically be ready to step into the rotation from day 1. Since you can only have 13 guys active on a given night, that leaves room for two players shuttling back and forth to Portland when the team is healthy (and realistically, even when they're down a man or two.)
Look for the late 2nds to be the Two-Way contract types.
See, I don't agree. If the Celtics sign a max level guy, the front office is going to want to "go for it". With as many as 4 guaranteed rookies, two probably playing in the top 10 players or so, on the roster already, along with Rozier and Brown with little experience, I can't see Ainge saddling Stevens with even more young players. I could see him using the room exception and min contracts to fill the rest of the roster with experienced vets who could be of use to Stevens in the post season, rather than have him try to win playoff guys with untested youth.
If the Celtics don't land that max level free agent, I see some of the same players that are currently on the roster coming back, or different guys on similar type deals, and Ainge again looking to fill only about 4 slots with rookies(the rookies replacing Young, Mickey, Zeller), maybe 5 given the new slots opening up with Nader and a second rounder being in those slots and almost exclusively playing in Maine.
I just don't see Ainge adding 6-8 rookies, even with the two extra slots.
I don't think what you're saying isn't rational, but I think that there are just too many open roster spots to not have probably four rookies.
Let's start with a base roster of the 8 guys under contract, plus the Brooklyn pick and Zizic. That's 10 players. We're not quite at max room to get Hayward, and we'd probably need to at least move Rozier or Jackson (and maybe more) to create a little more cap room. So swapping out one of those guys for Hayward continues to leave us at 10 players. We can sign someone for the room exception, getting us to 11. But the final four slots are going to be filled with vet minimum salaries or rookies. Finding one or two useful vet min types isn't impossible, but four? We still won't get anything better than the third bite at the apple, after Golden State and Cleveland get their first choices. Accordingly, I think that two of those spots go to rookies.
I know it's not optimal to have four rookies on a contending team, but Zizic might be a little less rookie-like given his Euroleague experience this year, Nader at least will be coming off a good season at the D-leauge, and Yabusele has also played professionally. It's not going to necessarily be four guys coming straight from college, which is essentially what we had last year (Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, and the very raw second-year Young.) I don't think that having two rookies bouncing between the D-league and the NBA is any worst roster construction than having two players on the fringes of the NBA racking up DNP-CDs.
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
Yeah this was my sense too, I don't understand the whole "we have too many picks and need to stash" argument. I could see Danny going for a 4 year guy, even, given that we will have some other rookies around.
Are you taking it as given that we renounce everyone, to clear max cap space? Is there any chance in your view that Danny looks at the FA landscape and decides that someone is worth retaining?
I could see someone sticking around, but there are only 8 guys with even partially guaranteed contracts next season, and Jackson could be moved as well, especially if a PG is picked at the top of the draft. If they intend to use cap space on a max/near-max salary, or signing a large extension or two, they're going to have a tough time filling the rest of the spots.
I think the roster has four rookies on it next year. The Brooklyn pick, Zizic, and two of Yab, Nader, and the Minny pick. That's a lot of young guys to get minutes for, but the Brooklyn pick and Zizic should theoretically be ready to step into the rotation from day 1. Since you can only have 13 guys active on a given night, that leaves room for two players shuttling back and forth to Portland when the team is healthy (and realistically, even when they're down a man or two.)
Look for the late 2nds to be the Two-Way contract types.
See, I don't agree. If the Celtics sign a max level guy, the front office is going to want to "go for it". With as many as 4 guaranteed rookies, two probably playing in the top 10 players or so, on the roster already, along with Rozier and Brown with little experience, I can't see Ainge saddling Stevens with even more young players. I could see him using the room exception and min contracts to fill the rest of the roster with experienced vets who could be of use to Stevens in the post season, rather than have him try to win playoff guys with untested youth.
If the Celtics don't land that max level free agent, I see some of the same players that are currently on the roster coming back, or different guys on similar type deals, and Ainge again looking to fill only about 4 slots with rookies(the rookies replacing Young, Mickey, Zeller), maybe 5 given the new slots opening up with Nader and a second rounder being in those slots and almost exclusively playing in Maine.
I just don't see Ainge adding 6-8 rookies, even with the two extra slots.
I don't think what you're saying isn't rational, but I think that there are just too many open roster spots to not have probably four rookies.
Let's start with a base roster of the 8 guys under contract, plus the Brooklyn pick and Zizic. That's 10 players. We're not quite at max room to get Hayward, and we'd probably need to at least move Rozier or Jackson (and maybe more) to create a little more cap room. So swapping out one of those guys for Hayward continues to leave us at 10 players. We can sign someone for the room exception, getting us to 11. But the final four slots are going to be filled with vet minimum salaries or rookies. Finding one or two useful vet min types isn't impossible, but four? We still won't get anything better than the third bite at the apple, after Golden State and Cleveland get their first choices. Accordingly, I think that two of those spots go to rookies.
I know it's not optimal to have four rookies on a contending team, but Zizic might be a little less rookie-like given his Euroleague experience this year, Nader at least will be coming off a good season at the D-leauge, and Yabusele has also played professionally. It's not going to necessarily be four guys coming straight from college, which is essentially what we had last year (Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, and the very raw second-year Young.) I don't think that having two rookies bouncing between the D-league and the NBA is any worst roster construction than having two players on the fringes of the NBA racking up DNP-CDs.
I agree that Nick's points are valid, but yeah.
We can also keep in mind Ainge's statements about this negative experiences going into the vet bargain bin. (Which I agree with, I was constantly complaining about the JO/Shaq type of signings when we could have signed guys with less upside but who could actually stay healthy).
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Nigel Hayes is the pick IMO, he can defend any position, is long, does the little things like rebounding and screening and helping on defense that really add up. Plus he still averaged 13.5 points and seems to get most of them in crunch time. He is a senior so I would expect him to be able to contribute right away off of the bench.
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I know our team is guard heavy but a lot of teams are going to regret passing on Allonzo Trier. It says he's mocked to go in the second round. A steal of Jimmy Butler proportions, even though their games are not similar.
I've already mentioned Swanigan and Motley in the past and it still looks like we may get a shot at one of them. I also want to add Dillon Brooks to the list. He's a poor-man's Paul Pierce.
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Trade up to get Hartenstein. Bring him over after 1-2 years. Good stretch 4-5 prospect.
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Does it matter who we draft? Most likely any second round puck will be stashed, not good enough to make the team, or given one of those new two way contracts and will spend his whole year in Maine at an NBADL rate.
I would not be surprised to see our top 2nd on the roster if Yab gets another year of seasoning elsewhere. Said player would likely spend a lot of time on the Downeaster, but the Celtics have a lot of roster spots to potentially fill next season. Essentially he'd take Mickey's roster spot.
Yeah this was my sense too, I don't understand the whole "we have too many picks and need to stash" argument. I could see Danny going for a 4 year guy, even, given that we will have some other rookies around.
Are you taking it as given that we renounce everyone, to clear max cap space? Is there any chance in your view that Danny looks at the FA landscape and decides that someone is worth retaining?
I could see someone sticking around, but there are only 8 guys with even partially guaranteed contracts next season, and Jackson could be moved as well, especially if a PG is picked at the top of the draft. If they intend to use cap space on a max/near-max salary, or signing a large extension or two, they're going to have a tough time filling the rest of the spots.
I think the roster has four rookies on it next year. The Brooklyn pick, Zizic, and two of Yab, Nader, and the Minny pick. That's a lot of young guys to get minutes for, but the Brooklyn pick and Zizic should theoretically be ready to step into the rotation from day 1. Since you can only have 13 guys active on a given night, that leaves room for two players shuttling back and forth to Portland when the team is healthy (and realistically, even when they're down a man or two.)
Look for the late 2nds to be the Two-Way contract types.
See, I don't agree. If the Celtics sign a max level guy, the front office is going to want to "go for it". With as many as 4 guaranteed rookies, two probably playing in the top 10 players or so, on the roster already, along with Rozier and Brown with little experience, I can't see Ainge saddling Stevens with even more young players. I could see him using the room exception and min contracts to fill the rest of the roster with experienced vets who could be of use to Stevens in the post season, rather than have him try to win playoff guys with untested youth.
If the Celtics don't land that max level free agent, I see some of the same players that are currently on the roster coming back, or different guys on similar type deals, and Ainge again looking to fill only about 4 slots with rookies(the rookies replacing Young, Mickey, Zeller), maybe 5 given the new slots opening up with Nader and a second rounder being in those slots and almost exclusively playing in Maine.
I just don't see Ainge adding 6-8 rookies, even with the two extra slots.
I don't think what you're saying isn't rational, but I think that there are just too many open roster spots to not have probably four rookies.
Let's start with a base roster of the 8 guys under contract, plus the Brooklyn pick and Zizic. That's 10 players. We're not quite at max room to get Hayward, and we'd probably need to at least move Rozier or Jackson (and maybe more) to create a little more cap room. So swapping out one of those guys for Hayward continues to leave us at 10 players. We can sign someone for the room exception, getting us to 11. But the final four slots are going to be filled with vet minimum salaries or rookies. Finding one or two useful vet min types isn't impossible, but four? We still won't get anything better than the third bite at the apple, after Golden State and Cleveland get their first choices. Accordingly, I think that two of those spots go to rookies.
I know it's not optimal to have four rookies on a contending team, but Zizic might be a little less rookie-like given his Euroleague experience this year, Nader at least will be coming off a good season at the D-leauge, and Yabusele has also played professionally. It's not going to necessarily be four guys coming straight from college, which is essentially what we had last year (Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, and the very raw second-year Young.) I don't think that having two rookies bouncing between the D-league and the NBA is any worst roster construction than having two players on the fringes of the NBA racking up DNP-CDs.
If we sign Hayward to the max will we have any exceptions to use, in order to bring in bigs (I.e. mle, bae or room)?
I agree that we will probably have 4 rookies on the team next year but one or two probably will be on a two way contract and spend a lot of time in the g league
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
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I'm hoping for Josh Hart at 33 and the rest international draft and stash
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Nigel Hayes is the pick IMO, he can defend any position, is long, does the little things like rebounding and screening and helping on defense that really add up. Plus he still averaged 13.5 points and seems to get most of them in crunch time. He is a senior so I would expect him to be able to contribute right away off of the bench.
Brandon Bass part 2
Didn't he tell Celtics that , they should draft him last year? lol
Just a little too vanilla of a player for me. We already have Yabu
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Yes, I think that's it. He's not that fast. But he's a skilled big who could be as good as Kelly defensively.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Watch the replay of Purdue's game against Iowa State yesterday for an example. He was exploited on D in the second half. Now, he did more than enough offensively to make up for it, but he was just too slow to keep up with players off the dribble.
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I'm hoping for Josh Hart at 33 and the rest international draft and stash
I feel bad for Hart; following your strong Mickey and Sabonis endorsements you just gave him your yearly kiss of death.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Yes, I think that's it. He's not that fast. But he's a skilled big who could be as good as Kelly defensively.
He has a very long way to be as good as Kelly defensively. He's injured Sully defensive quality at present.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Yes, I think that's it. He's not that fast. But he's a skilled big who could be as good as Kelly defensively.
He has a very long way to be as good as Kelly defensively. He's injured Sully defensive quality at present.
Ok...I think he can get there. I like his current production and his long term potential.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Watch the replay of Purdue's game against Iowa State yesterday for an example. He was exploited on D in the second half. Now, he did more than enough offensively to make up for it, but he was just too slow to keep up with players off the dribble.
Thanks. TP.
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I'm hoping for Josh Hart at 33 and the rest international draft and stash
I feel bad for Hart; following your strong Mickey and Sabonis endorsements you just gave him your yearly kiss of death.
And Eddie gets the savage of the day award haha. TP
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Mathias Lessort is an interesting guy in this range. Looks longer and more athletic than GY, can shoot a bit out to 20'. Check out this DE video:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/matchup-video-mathias-lessort-5827/
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I'm hoping for Josh Hart at 33 and the rest international draft and stash
I feel bad for Hart; following your strong Mickey and Sabonis endorsements you just gave him your yearly kiss of death.
Naw that belongs to you....cliff alexandre and dragan Bender
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I'm hoping for Josh Hart at 33 and the rest international draft and stash
I feel bad for Hart; following your strong Mickey and Sabonis endorsements you just gave him your yearly kiss of death.
And Eddie gets the savage of the day award haha. TP
Eddie is a skipping record...
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
I agree
Better suited for the 90s
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Better suited for the 90s
I agree
The guy is a beast going after EVERY single rebound and he's a mountain to move off the block. He's not a great athlete but can shoot a little from outside. His main strength is rebounding so he'll have a job coming off the bench. He can obviously score inside as well but can't jump higher than his kneecaps.
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I don't think Alonzo Trier will be as good as Avery Bradley or as gritty as Smart, but if we have to let one of them go after next year I wouldn't mind grabbing Trier if we have room for him and end up with either Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum. He's young and is a pretty consistent and solid scorer.
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After watching yesterday's games, I'll take the Wagner kid from Michigan. Kid was beasting out there against Louisville's bigs.
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After watching yesterday's games, I'll take the Wagner kid from Michigan. Kid was beasting out there against Louisville's bigs.
If you watched more Michigan games, you would hate him, if you're like most Celtics fans. Great kid, talented offensively, but is an incredible defensive liability due to his consistently poor positioning and tendency to commit dumb touch fouls as a result. He makes Olynyk look good in that department.
Imagine Olynyk with worse ball skills and defense. He needs another year to work on that stuff -- I don't think he'll get that necessary court time in D-league or on an NBA bench.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Watch the replay of Purdue's game against Iowa State yesterday for an example. He was exploited on D in the second half. Now, he did more than enough offensively to make up for it, but he was just too slow to keep up with players off the dribble.
To be fair to Swanigan, ISU played all 6'5 guys. He's probably never seen that all year.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Watch the replay of Purdue's game against Iowa State yesterday for an example. He was exploited on D in the second half. Now, he did more than enough offensively to make up for it, but he was just too slow to keep up with players off the dribble.
To be fair to Swanigan, ISU played all 6'5 guys. He's probably never seen that all year.
The guy he was going up against, Deonte Burton, isn't projected to get drafted. I'd take him at the end of the second round (with the Cavs pick) if he's still there.
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Watch the replay of Purdue's game against Iowa State yesterday for an example. He was exploited on D in the second half. Now, he did more than enough offensively to make up for it, but he was just too slow to keep up with players off the dribble.
To be fair to Swanigan, ISU played all 6'5 guys. He's probably never seen that all year.
The guy he was going up against, Deonte Burton, isn't projected to get drafted. I'd take him at the end of the second round (with the Cavs pick) if he's still there.
Wouldn't mind either player. Second this, Burton could be a nice late pick.
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I'm hoping for Josh Hart at 33 and the rest international draft and stash
I feel bad for Hart; following your strong Mickey and Sabonis endorsements you just gave him your yearly kiss of death.
LM Butt off .....TP
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Caleb Swanigan - a big who can rebound, shoot, and pass.
What's the downside with Swanigan? His numbers are great. DE mentions his lack of speed especially on defense.
Watch the replay of Purdue's game against Iowa State yesterday for an example. He was exploited on D in the second half. Now, he did more than enough offensively to make up for it, but he was just too slow to keep up with players off the dribble.
To be fair to Swanigan, ISU played all 6'5 guys. He's probably never seen that all year.
The guy that burned him all of the 2nd half is Deonte Burton a 6'5" 230ish bull. Burton is an off the charts athletic player, but Swanigan is going to see even greater athleticism in the NBA. I feel his quickness is suspect. Swanigan is a great story, shows great effort and is a good offensive player, but he occupies a territory similar to Sullinger. Great post player, not tall / athletic enough to be a 5, and not quick enough to be a 4. He does seem to shoot the 3 ball well and is a good rebounder. He has had weight problems that he seems to have overcome. A lot of similarties to Sully, but with a better 3 point shot. Someone will probably take him prior to us at 40 though.
I think Deonte Burton at 57 would be a nice flier. He has an nba body, can guard larger players, can play the wing, hit the 3 and off the chart athletic ability.
Monte Morris from ISU at 40 wouldn't be a bad choice if we end up choosing J. Jackson from Kansas and we decide not to bring back D. Jackson. True point guard who is elite at taking care of the ball and running pick and roll.