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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on March 13, 2017, 08:13:30 AM
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is there anybody that can edit out smarts end of quarter heaves and 24 second clock running out shots
also i believe he sees the court with nothing available at times much earlier than time clock
also he takes into consideration jerebko and kelly hesitations to shoot or create
so he is the option,
even if it seems forced or poor shot selection
sometimes the coverage and other teams personal make time on clock irreverent
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I'm satisfied with Smart's current 3-point shot selection. If he can just increase his 3-pt shooting % even a moderate amount, he will be in very good shape next year.
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is there anybody that can edit out smarts end of quarter heaves and 24 second clock running out shots
also i believe he sees the court with nothing available at times much earlier than time clock
also he takes into consideration jerebko and kelly hesitations to shoot or create
so he is the option,
even if it seems forced or poor shot selection
sometimes the coverage and other teams personal make time on clock irreverent
He has 7 of these heaves on the year, not sure about the desperation attempts as a result of an expiring shot clock.
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is there anybody that can edit out smarts end of quarter heaves and 24 second clock running out shots
also i believe he sees the court with nothing available at times much earlier than time clock
also he takes into consideration jerebko and kelly hesitations to shoot or create
so he is the option,
even if it seems forced or poor shot selection
sometimes the coverage and other teams personal make time on clock irreverent
He has 7 of these heaves on the year, not sure about the desperation attempts as a result of an expiring shot clock.
I don't know if its just me but I see Marcus shooting the ball with 5 or less seconds to go on the shot clock, most of the time. He only turns into chucker mode when we have a huge amount of lead.
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not sure if anybody noticed, but since Bradley's injury, i think Brad's been designing a little more offense for Smart, like post up games, I'm seeing at least one or two a game now at least vs one or two every few games. His 3 pt % seems to have improved, but I am not sure how much. He seems more comfortable driving a little bit now. What is his stats since the all star game? 10-12 ppg?
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not sure if anybody noticed, but since Bradley's injury, i think Brad's been designing a little more offense for Smart, like post up games, I'm seeing at least one or two a game now at least vs one or two every few games. His 3 pt % seems to have improved, but I am not sure how much. He seems more comfortable driving a little bit now. What is his stats since the all star game? 10-12 ppg?
Pre All Star: 10.4 ppg 3.9 rpg 4.6 apg
Post All Star: 12.7 ppg 4.3 rpg 3.3 apg
Source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01/splits/2017)
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is there anybody that can edit out smarts end of quarter heaves and 24 second clock running out shots
also i believe he sees the court with nothing available at times much earlier than time clock
also he takes into consideration jerebko and kelly hesitations to shoot or create
so he is the option,
even if it seems forced or poor shot selection
sometimes the coverage and other teams personal make time on clock irreverent
good questions rollie.
this info is a bit dated now, but at around the all star break smart had 6 "heaves" (half court desperation shots), the most on the team. his 3 point percentage at that time was 30.1%. if we subtracted the heaves, it rose to 30.9%.
so, the heaves dont help, but they dont make a dramatic difference either.
EDIT: i just read eddie's mention of 7 heaves on the season now. thanks for the update. so, again, not a major factor on his shooting percentage.
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not sure if anybody noticed, but since Bradley's injury, i think Brad's been designing a little more offense for Smart, like post up games, I'm seeing at least one or two a game now at least vs one or two every few games. His 3 pt % seems to have improved, but I am not sure how much. He seems more comfortable driving a little bit now. What is his stats since the all star game? 10-12 ppg?
Pre All Star: 10.4 ppg 3.9 rpg 4.6 apg
Post All Star: 12.7 ppg 4.3 rpg 3.3 apg
Source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01/splits/2017)
thanks!
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is there anybody that can edit out smarts end of quarter heaves and 24 second clock running out shots
also i believe he sees the court with nothing available at times much earlier than time clock
also he takes into consideration jerebko and kelly hesitations to shoot or create
so he is the option,
even if it seems forced or poor shot selection
sometimes the coverage and other teams personal make time on clock irreverent
good questions rollie.
this info is a bit dated now, but at around the all star break smart had 6 "heaves" (half court desperation shots), the most on the team. his 3 point percentage at that time was 30.1%. if we subtracted the heaves, it rose to 30.9%.
so, the heaves dont help, but they dont make a dramatic difference either.
EDIT: i just read eddie's mention of 7 heaves on the season now. thanks for the update. so, again, not a major factor on his shooting percentage.
Basketball Reference's shooting distance numbers can be a bit iffy, so take that with a grain of salt. You'd need to watch the end of each quarter to really see how many he's had. That said, I'd agree that they don't have a real significant effect on his 3p% for the season. He's definitely taken more heat check long threes than he has heaves
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
come on,when he is on 2nd unit with jerebko and kelly at times it looks like hot potato and with jerebko slow release and kelly in timid mode-i believe brad knows marcus can shoot better and that his average is not a major factor-
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
I would think that you would look at how many end of clock shots he has compared to others before you edit them out (and you should just normalize it to an average amount of late shot-clock shots, not remove them completely)
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His overall 3p% is low (around 30%), but he's shooting 43% from the corners. On heaves, yes he has 7 this year but as previous comments mentioned he's often responsible for creating offense late in the shot clock with IT on the bench. Those don't show up in the stats other than the overall 3p%.
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
I would think that you would look at how many end of clock shots he has compared to others before you edit them out (and you should just normalize it to an average amount of late shot-clock shots, not remove them completely)
Sure. Besides, who says end of shot clock threes are worse shots anyway? It would be amusing if he was doing no worse than his normal percentage on those (he could be doing even better).
And no, I don't think he shoots more of those than the average player at his position.
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
come on,when he is on 2nd unit with jerebko and kelly at times it looks like hot potato and with jerebko slow release and kelly in timid mode-i believe brad knows marcus can shoot better and that his average is not a major factor-
Isn't it Marcus Smart's responsibility to initiate the offense for the second unit?
Why would you discount the impact of last second shots on his averages when it's his inability to get the team into good plays that creates their necessity?
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
come on,when he is on 2nd unit with jerebko and kelly at times it looks like hot potato and with jerebko slow release and kelly in timid mode-i believe brad knows marcus can shoot better and that his average is not a major factor-
Isn't it Marcus Smart's responsibility to initiate the offense for the second unit?
Why would you discount the impact of last second shots on his averages when it's his inability to get the team into good plays that creates their necessity?
I think it's about who he is playing with. Now one example is Olynyk who often times will get a pass and be open but not take the shot, Olynyk will dribble into the defense and have nowhere to go so he kicks it out to Smart with 2 seconds on the shot clock and at least he has the "smarts" to take the shot even if it doesn't go in.
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Would not edit out end of shot clock shots. No reason to think he has more thank anyone else.
come on,when he is on 2nd unit with jerebko and kelly at times it looks like hot potato and with jerebko slow release and kelly in timid mode-i believe brad knows marcus can shoot better and that his average is not a major factor-
Isn't it Marcus Smart's responsibility to initiate the offense for the second unit?
Why would you discount the impact of last second shots on his averages when it's his inability to get the team into good plays that creates their necessity?
I think it's about who he is playing with. Now one example is Olynyk who often times will get a pass and be open but not take the shot, Olynyk will dribble into the defense and have nowhere to go so he kicks it out to Smart with 2 seconds on the shot clock and at least he has the "smarts" to take the shot even if it doesn't go in.
And somehow you think that the Celtics have more of these types of players than other second units? Seems to me people just looking for excuses.
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FWIW, per 82games.com, Smart has taken 14% of his shots in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock.
That is higher than the team average of 11%, but not by any extraordinary amount. And while his .437 eFG on those shots haven't helped his averages, the far more damaging impact has been the .331 eFG that he has shot on the 21% of his shots taken with 6-10 seconds left on the clock.
Al Horford has actually taken a larger percentage of his shots (17%) with 5 or less left on the clock, and he has shot worse (.416 eFG) on those shots. But he has shot massively better than Marcus on all his other shots.
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I am going to go out on a limb and ask - is Marcus Smart the worst offensive guard in the entire NBA over the past three seasons?
Per 36 numbers over the past three seasons:
2014/15
10.4 PTS
4.1 AST
1.8 TO
2.27 AST/TO Ratio
36.7% FG
33.5% 3PT
64.6% FT
2015/16
12.1 PTS
4.0 AST
1.7 TO
34.8% FG
25.3% 3PT
77.7% FT
2.35 AST/TO Ratio
2016/17
12.7 PTS
5.2 AST
2.4 TO
37.1% FG
28.6% 3PT
80.2% FT
2.29 AST/TO Ratio
With the exception of his free throw shooting (which has improved nicely) I cannot think of a single regular rotation PG (i.e. >20 MPG) who has been worse overall on the offensive end of the floor over a three game stretch as Smart has been these past 3 seasons. I really can't. He is that bad.
I am seriously concerned about Brad Steven's coaching decisions when he has Marcus smart consistently taking as many field goal attempts as Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown, Kelly Olynyk and Gerald Green. All guys who are actually capable offensive players.
When Smart is on the court it should be as a defensive role player, playing off the ball. No playmaking, no shooting - no involvement in the offense whatsoever. The guy is so bad that it's painful to watch him do anything other then defend, rebound and chase loose balls.
And before somebody jumps to Brad's defense by saying "brad is the coach, he knows best" - lets not forget that this i the same Brad Stevens who (year by year) insisted on playing Sully for 25 - 30 minutes a game, much to my distress. The same Sully who is currently unemployed, with on team seemingly willing to touch him with a 10 foot pole. And everybody at the time would say "coach knows best".
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FWIW, per 82games.com, Smart has taken 14% of his shots in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock.
That is higher than the team average of 11%, but not by any extraordinary amount. And while his .437 eFG on those shots haven't helped his averages, the far more damaging impact has been the .331 eFG that he has shot on the 21% of his shots taken with 6-10 seconds left on the clock.
Al Horford has actually taken a larger percentage of his shots (17%) with 5 or less left on the clock, and he has shot worse (.416 eFG) on those shots. But he has shot massively better than Marcus on all his other shots.
As has probably every guard in the NBA lol
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Marcus Smart supporrters are going to sit quietly until Marcus has another little run of his then they will come out and tell everybody that they were right and Marcus is a future all star ;D
No but seriously Marcus has been a good playmaker this year, actually an important one, obviously without IT Marcus's playmaking becomes almost meaningless because his offense is needed , but he is just not a good offensive player at the moment.
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Im a Smart fan, but honestly I think he's being misused offensively.
He is not a point guard, but does have playmaking ability and should be considered a secondary playmaker at all times.
To see how to maximize Smarts potential CBS only needs to watch early DWade film... aspects of which are coming more into his game now with the postups. My biggest concen is that Smart doesn't play within his skillset offensively and almost seem to want to prove he is not a bad shooter. ET understood this well and was effective as a mid range player
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Im a Smart fan, but honestly I think he's being misused offensively.
He is not a point guard, but does have playmaking ability and should be considered a secondary playmaker at all times.
To see how to maximize Smarts potential CBS only needs to watch early DWade film... aspects of which are coming more into his game now with the postups. My biggest concen is that Smart doesn't play within his skillset offensively and almost seem to want to prove he is not a bad shooter. ET understood this well and was effective as a mid range player
Dwayne Wade? Really?