This is an easily winnable game for the celts, as long as we contain The Joker. All kidding aside he is fun to watch, as long as he comes up short. Go Celtics!
Also TP for the wonderful breakdown of the matchup as always FL!
Edit: Beat me be under 5 seconds Cs, you are killing it haha. TP for the excellence.
Whats up with Emmanuel Mudiay?
Did the Nuggets gave up on him?
16th!
16th!and a tp for being the first person be 16th! ;D
Looks like Gallinari is playing and Jokic is a game time decision.
(https://i.gyazo.com/2e593d82bec258dbeb72556609ee4a54.png)
from here (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/injuries)
Can someone who is deep into fantasy rotos confirm? 8)
Go C's!no, no...try harder.
Go C's!
Looks like Gallinari is playing and Jokic is a game time decision.
(https://i.gyazo.com/2e593d82bec258dbeb72556609ee4a54.png)
from here (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/injuries)
Can someone who is deep into fantasy rotos confirm? 8)
I think Malone said a bit ago that he thinks Jokic will give it a go and start, though he's still listed as a game time decision.
Looks like Gallinari is playing and Jokic is a game time decision.
(https://i.gyazo.com/2e593d82bec258dbeb72556609ee4a54.png)
from here (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/injuries)
Can someone who is deep into fantasy rotos confirm? 8)
I think Malone said a bit ago that he thinks Jokic will give it a go and start, though he's still listed as a game time decision.
I wish we already had Zizic to match up with Jokic!
Terrible start. No energy so far.
Looks like Gallinari is playing and Jokic is a game time decision.
(https://i.gyazo.com/2e593d82bec258dbeb72556609ee4a54.png)
from here (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/injuries)
Can someone who is deep into fantasy rotos confirm? 8)
I think Malone said a bit ago that he thinks Jokic will give it a go and start, though he's still listed as a game time decision.
I wish we already had Zizic to match up with Jokic!
I'm not saying this to incite others, but I genuinely find it odd to see actual bigs play. Like it's weird to see a man of Jokic's size, esp with his skill. Last night, Nurkic looked like King Kong on my little laptop screen.
Lol where'd the defense from the other night go?
Gallo might not be a bad Plan C in free agency this summer. He could be our secondary scorer that we need, and he'd have an advantage at the 4 almost every night. Our offense would be soooooo dynamic by adding his shooting from the 4 position. IT would have soooooo much space to operate and either finish or kick out to shooters at every position.
That a boy, Brown!
Jokic is a one man gang so far!
Jokic is a one man gang so far!
Jokic is arguably the best center in the game. Like Cousins he puts up numbers, but unlike Cousins he makes winning plays and has a good motor.
Random complaint. Why are these alternate away uniforms become the standard? Give me classic Green and White.
Terry Rozier does not believe in 2-for-1 part 4,752.
Why is Rozier running the point?
Twice he's gotten burned on screens. Got fortunate with that steal due to a bad pass.
Smart has been excellent at getting to the line lately. That's a really improved aspect of his game, which is big for him. He and Jaylen could be a Lowry/Derozan type free throw force eventually, let alone Fultz, too! :P
Man, Denver look great, so many times this year I think "how are we still in this game"...1. We're not.
Wilson Chandler wanted out of Denver earlier if I remember. Crazy nice contract.
Jaylen Brown is a revelation.
Man, Denver look great, so many times this year I think "how are we still in this game"...1. We're not.
Wilson Chandler wanted out of Denver earlier if I remember. Crazy nice contract.
2. It's not that Denver looks all that great, but we've been downright horrible, esp. offensively.
Just pretend its the Warriors or something. Geez.
Well, at least we can get up for big games, which are all that we have in the playoffs.
Unfortunately, at this rate we're going to lose our advantageous playoff seeding because we can't take care of business outside of the top two to three teams in the league.
Holds the Warriors to a several season record of 86 points in Oracle Arena on Wednesday.
Two nights later gives up 35 points on 60% shooting to Denver in the first quarter.
Your 2016-2017 Boston Celtics, folks. :P
Well, at least we can get up for big games, which are all that we have in the playoffs.
Unfortunately, at this rate we're going to lose our advantageous playoff seeding because we can't take care of business outside of the top two to three teams in the league.
Wonder if we'll get another IT quote after this one.
And at this point it is time to turn the game off. Pitiful play, garbage effort.
Its all about effort. You gotta bring it every night. Smart should be ripping these guys in the huddle.
Jokic is a one man gang so far!
Jokic is arguably the best center in the game. Like Cousins he puts up numbers, but unlike Cousins he makes winning plays and has a good motor.
I think it's Davis!
I dont have a good way to watch those games :( Havent found any decent quality College BBall streams yetAnd at this point it is time to turn the game off. Pitiful play, garbage effort.
Good college hoops on tonight with potential draftees. Florida State versus Notre Dame right now and Creighton with Justin Patton versus Xavier.
In a little while huge game with UCLA playing Arizona.
And at this point it is time to turn the game off. Pitiful play, garbage effort.
Good college hoops on tonight with potential draftees. Florida State versus Notre Dame right now and Creighton with Justin Patton versus Xavier.
In a little while huge game with UCLA playing Arizona.
Terrible decision by Crowder. Why go under the screen against Gallo? Gets burned for a 3.
Monty McCutchen is such a ****. Just let them play. Don't double T them.
Brad Stevens - "We're not as good as our record"
Jokic is a one man gang so far!
Jokic is arguably the best center in the game. Like Cousins he puts up numbers, but unlike Cousins he makes winning plays and has a good motor.
I think it's Davis!
He's not a C, though.
We dont deserve the #1 seed. Not the #2 seed either at this point.
15-9 fouls and some sketchy, tick-tack fouls for us.
Brown shooting well.
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
Let Amir anchor the defense.
Kelly is worthless!
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
Exactly. This season has been great for the development of Smart and Brown, and for the Nets pick, but that's about it.
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
Exactly. This season has been great for the development of Smart and Brown, and for the Nets pick, but that's about it.
It has been great for the development of Smart and Brown but aren't we still in the top two in the East?
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
Exactly. This season has been great for the development of Smart and Brown, and for the Nets pick, but that's about it.
It has been great for the development of Smart and Brown but aren't we still in the top two in the East?
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
Exactly. This season has been great for the development of Smart and Brown, and for the Nets pick, but that's about it.
It has been great for the development of Smart and Brown but aren't we still in the top two in the East?
Right? People forget that were going.to be a 50 win team this year. We haven't been playing well coming off the all-star break for sure but its a long season and teams go through bad stretches.
You know, considering how Cleveland and Golden State have been playing recently, I'm not sure how to feel about those games either.
Exactly. This season has been great for the development of Smart and Brown, and for the Nets pick, but that's about it.
It has been great for the development of Smart and Brown but aren't we still in the top two in the East?
Yes, but a 1st or second round playoff exit doesn't mean much of anything. I don't see this team doing more than that this season.
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier is 0 fer tonight...
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Oh Jaylen..
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floorwhat?
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
Brown is fun to watch. I really didnt expect him to contribute this season. Given the scouting reports I expected him to have the AB curve.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
How can you watch this game and conclude that the one guy that needs to go is Marcus?
I absolutely dont understand it.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
How can you watch this game and conclude that the one guy that needs to go is Marcus?
I absolutely dont understand it.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
How can you watch this game and conclude that the one guy that needs to go is Marcus?
I absolutely dont understand it.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
How can you watch this game and conclude that the one guy that needs to go is Marcus?
I absolutely dont understand it.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
How can you watch this game and conclude that the one guy that needs to go is Marcus?
I absolutely dont understand it.
Smart is defending, distributing andmaking exponentially better decisions than I would expect Rozier to.Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Rozier only worsen what's already a bad offensive scheme due to his poor decision making.
Can't be worse than the crap Smart's bum 4ss is throwing up.
How can you watch this game and conclude that the one guy that needs to go is Marcus?
I absolutely dont understand it.
TP
Smart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. Bumobviously a hater
This was suppose to be a easy win ? LOL
Smart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. Bumobviously a hater
Nuggets getting so many bail out calls its ridiculous
I've been happy with Jaylen's performance.
This was suppose to be a easy win ? LOL
Why was that? In Denver which is always hard because of the altitude and also end of a road trip. Also Denver is still a playoff team.
This was suppose to be a easy win ? LOL
Why was that? In Denver which is always hard because of the altitude and also end of a road trip. Also Denver is still a playoff team.
I thought I read all their great players were out .....LOL .....they set us up with that false report .
This was suppose to be a easy win ? LOL
Why was that? In Denver which is always hard because of the altitude and also end of a road trip. Also Denver is still a playoff team.
See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I shouldn't be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performance
See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I shouldn't be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performance
He definitely deserves criticism. But I don't think you'll be convincing anyone that Rozier should be taking his minutes.
Is it just me, or have the Celtics literally been screwed by the refs this year?
Is it just me, or have the Celtics literally been screwed by the refs this year?
Rough shooting night is all.
Night all.
No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
kudos to smart for never giving up
Is it just me, or have the Celtics literally been screwed by the refs this year?
Is it just me, or have the Celtics literally been screwed by the refs this year?
Refs in no way lost us this game; we lost it ourselves.
But that being said, this was one of the most inconsistently called games all year. And it seemingly happens with the same refs over and over again.
No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
based on +/- Smart is better than Isaiah Thomas and thats with a way way way bigger sample size.No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
LOL the Kings up 62-50 right before the half. Maybe they'll do us a favor. Toronto lost tonight, too, so perhaps we won't lose any ground, other than the increasingly skeptical number one seed chase, which I'm about to give up on.
No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
LOL the Kings up 62-50 right before the half. Maybe they'll do us a favor. Toronto lost tonight, too, so perhaps we won't lose any ground, other than the increasingly skeptical number one seed chase, which I'm about to give up on.
Yeah no.1 seed has been a nice goal but Im fine with no.2 seed, its more realistic anyway. hopefully the Kings hold on. But this is the same team that gave up a 28 pt lead to a Leonard and Aldridge less Spurs.
No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-
No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-
Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and IT
Smart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. Bum
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.
People are sleeping on Smart's development. He's been much better at scoring the ball in the last month and a half or so.
13 of 19 games in February/March he's been in double figures.
19 of 33 games since the New Year he's been in double figures.
He still needs to work on efficiency, but he's been much better at scoring the ball since the New Year.
He's averaging 11.4 points since the New Year, 12.4 points in the last month and a half. He averaged 13.7 points in February.
Also it wasn't Smarts fault we lost this game. He's pretty consistent what he gives the celtics night to night. The team needs to play better defense. This team is so much softer than last year
Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
This says it all.
We are not debating whether or not Smart should be held accountable. But a lot of your comments goes beyond what you claim is holding him accountable. Its in the HATER zone. And now at least you admitted it was Bias and we are right. Thank you. =)
Also it wasn't Smarts fault we lost this game. He's pretty consistent what he gives the celtics night to night. The team needs to play better defense. This team is so much softer than last year
It's crazy isn't it? I don't understand how the character of this team changed that much in one summer.
Avery Bradley with strong words: "You get up to play hard for that game, and then you lay an egg in this game. It doesn't make sense."
https://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/840425864139542529?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteAvery Bradley with strong words: "You get up to play hard for that game, and then you lay an egg in this game. It doesn't make sense."
AB as perplexed as the rest of us about this team's inconsistent effort this season.
Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
What?? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'm calling out your bias and different treatment of players, and then you do just that same thing in response? lol Smart and Brown BOTH had crappy +/- numbers due to the rest of the bench sucking. Take away Smart and Brown and the rest of the bench is 2-10. +/- is a junk stat, bro. It doesn't tell you hardly anything.
By the way, here's Smart and IT +/- per 100 possessions:
Smart's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - + 3.1
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
IT's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - +0.9
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
https://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/840425864139542529?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteAvery Bradley with strong words: "You get up to play hard for that game, and then you lay an egg in this game. It doesn't make sense."
AB as perplexed as the rest of us about this team's inconsistent effort this season.
Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
What?? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'm calling out your bias and different treatment of players, and then you do just that same thing in response? lol Smart and Brown BOTH had crappy +/- numbers due to the rest of the bench sucking. Take away Smart and Brown and the rest of the bench is 2-10. +/- is a junk stat, bro. It doesn't tell you hardly anything.
By the way, here's Smart and IT +/- per 100 possessions:
Smart's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - + 3.1
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
IT's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - +0.9
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
You say that we shouldn't use Smart's plus/minus because it's not a good indicator of performance, but then you pull up Jaylen Brown's.
Yet even though Brown's +\- was bad because he played with the bench he still put up 14 points, on 60% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. Because just as I said, more often than not a good performance shows up in some statistical form somewhere.
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
What?? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'm calling out your bias and different treatment of players, and then you do just that same thing in response? lol Smart and Brown BOTH had crappy +/- numbers due to the rest of the bench sucking. Take away Smart and Brown and the rest of the bench is 2-10. +/- is a junk stat, bro. It doesn't tell you hardly anything.
By the way, here's Smart and IT +/- per 100 possessions:
Smart's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - + 3.1
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
IT's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - +0.9
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
You say that we shouldn't use Smart's plus/minus because it's not a good indicator of performance, but then you pull up Jaylen Brown's.
Yet even though Brown's +\- was bad because he played with the bench he still put up 14 points, on 60% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. Because just as I said, more often than not a good performance shows up in some statistical form somewhere.
It's okay. Once Smart has made minimal improvement over 2 years and we let him go because his positives outweigh his negatives people on here will be like why did we like that guy so much?
Smart plays hard and he makes some great plays without the basketball. But at this point Smart's negatives outweigh his positives and once we add a highly skilled PG in this next upcoming draft people will see this.
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
What?? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'm calling out your bias and different treatment of players, and then you do just that same thing in response? lol Smart and Brown BOTH had crappy +/- numbers due to the rest of the bench sucking. Take away Smart and Brown and the rest of the bench is 2-10. +/- is a junk stat, bro. It doesn't tell you hardly anything.
By the way, here's Smart and IT +/- per 100 possessions:
Smart's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - + 3.1
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
IT's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - +0.9
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
You say that we shouldn't use Smart's plus/minus because it's not a good indicator of performance, but then you pull up Jaylen Brown's.
Yet even though Brown's +\- was bad because he played with the bench he still put up 14 points, on 60% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. Because just as I said, more often than not a good performance shows up in some statistical form somewhere.
Smart had Team best 7 rebounds.
Again if you aren't reading, it is a rebuttal of your comment.
Argument 1: Smart played bad. Brown played well.
Evidence: +/-
CounterArgument: the same +/-
Its the perfect cross examination. Using their own evidence against them is the best way to impeach a witness.
Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performanceSmart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and ITSmart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. BumSmart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
What?? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'm calling out your bias and different treatment of players, and then you do just that same thing in response? lol Smart and Brown BOTH had crappy +/- numbers due to the rest of the bench sucking. Take away Smart and Brown and the rest of the bench is 2-10. +/- is a junk stat, bro. It doesn't tell you hardly anything.
By the way, here's Smart and IT +/- per 100 possessions:
Smart's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - + 3.1
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
IT's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - +0.9
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
You say that we shouldn't use Smart's plus/minus because it's not a good indicator of performance, but then you pull up Jaylen Brown's.
Yet even though Brown's +\- was bad because he played with the bench he still put up 14 points, on 60% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. Because just as I said, more often than not a good performance shows up in some statistical form somewhere.
Smart had Team best 7 rebounds.
Again if you aren't reading, it is a rebuttal of your comment.
Argument 1: Smart played bad. Brown played well.
Evidence: +/-
CounterArgument: the same +/-
Its the perfect cross examination. Using their own evidence against them is the best way to impeach a witness.
Showed with what? Saying he had 7 rebounds? There has been not one stat besides this little cop out to show Smart had a good performance.Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
Any argument you make isn't going to hold water. You are just trying to salvage your credibility. You said he played horribly, we showed its isnt so. Then you admit you are biased. Now you are going back on your statement and saying he makes winning plays and just need to look at him objectively, thereby indirectly saying he didn't play too horrible.
Is 30% from the field, 29% from the 3 with accompanying line of 10 ppg, 3 rpg, and 4 apg not replaceable in any other circumstance?Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
He has the potential to be a top 3 defender in the NBA. Anyways forget that projection. How is a an all NBA defender replaceable?
Showed with what? Saying he had 7 rebounds? There has been not one stat besides this little cop out to show Smart had a good performance.Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
Any argument you make isn't going to hold water. You are just trying to salvage your credibility. You said he played horribly, we showed its isnt so. Then you admit you are biased. Now you are going back on your statement and saying he makes winning plays and just need to look at him objectively, thereby indirectly saying he didn't play too horrible.
If I'm so low level, please sir explain to me or show me a statistic of how good Smart's performance is?Showed with what? Saying he had 7 rebounds? There has been not one stat besides this little cop out to show Smart had a good performance.Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
Any argument you make isn't going to hold water. You are just trying to salvage your credibility. You said he played horribly, we showed its isnt so. Then you admit you are biased. Now you are going back on your statement and saying he makes winning plays and just need to look at him objectively, thereby indirectly saying he didn't play too horrible.
MY GOD HOW CAN YOU BE SO THICK?! WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THING AND EVERYTIME YOU MISS IT!
WE SHOWED YOU BY USING YOUR EFFIN ARGUMENT AGAINST YOU. ITS A WASTE OF TIME TRYING TO ARGUE WITH SOMEONE OF THIS LOW LEVEL.
Missed the game. Anyone still around for an update? TP your way.
Couldn't get a stop to save our lives. Offense wasn't clicking and we could never overcome the energy that Denver brought and the offensive barrage from Chandler, Gallinari, and about anybody who touched the ball for the Nuggets.Missed the game. Anyone still around for an update? TP your way.
Both of you need to shut up and give me an update on the game. Defense sucked? Crowder obviously didn't show up. Did Kelly disappoint? We should've sold him as Mason Plumlee-level quality in Nurkic trade.
I don't want an update on Smart. Who he is as a player is pretty well-established at this moment, and he's clearly showing signs of growth. Let's wait and see.
everyone sucked. team didnt try for the first half and never really got enough traction to come back.Missed the game. Anyone still around for an update? TP your way.
Both of you need to shut up and give me an update on the game. Defense sucked? Crowder obviously didn't show up. Did Kelly disappoint? We should've sold him as Mason Plumlee-level quality in Nurkic trade.
I don't want an update on Smart. Who he is as a player is pretty well-established at this moment, and he's clearly showing signs of growth. Let's wait and see.
Um if rock's statement was correct he already explained like that, it's ok to act smug but it's another thing to miss points "buddy"If I'm so low level, please sir explain to me or show me a statistic of how good Smart's performance is?Showed with what? Saying he had 7 rebounds? There has been not one stat besides this little cop out to show Smart had a good performance.Bro you have no idea who I am and you're trying to call me out. By the way you play for fun, yet somehow that gives you a complex understanding of the game? I've played basketball all my life, but I'm not going to pull out the ignorant "basketball knowledge" defense where it's me and you saying, " I have more basketball knowledge than you in my pinkie" crap.tankcity says Smart played decent today. You said he sucked today.Smart is my second favorite player on the Celtics but at least I hold him accountable. He played average today actually. He should be getting the minutes he doesn't, he's better than Rozier. However he really needs to improve on his offensive game, like seriously. I don't understand how people aren't frustrated with it. Don't we want him to be a two way player? Would we be okay with Crowder shooting like this for an entire season? I have been patient with Smart, but at some point he has to start showing signs of improvement. Look at how much Jaylen improved this year? Why can't we see that type of development from Smart? He's only marginally better from last year imo. I really think it is fair to demand Smart to become a better offensive player.Thank you!! I'm not saying trade Smart or cut him or anything crazy, but just hold the player accountable. I do have a Smart bias, I can't lie, but guess who my favorite player besides Brown on this team is? IT. And I will be the first to say that his defense kills us in games and is horsesh1t bad. Thankfully his offense is so [dang] good it can make up for it more often than not, but either way I'm not going to continue to never hold IT accountable as you people do with Smart
those are different things.
Smart is really flawed. Smart was not half as bad as you made him out to be today.
Yeah it's pretty hard for a player like Smart to play badly because one, he is the second best ballhandler on the team, and second his defense is consistent. He does a amazing job boxing out. The guy is a freaking winner. Players hate playing against him. I actually play basketball for fun, and I can understand the type of impact he has on winning. I think maybe it's hard for people to understand because they don't play the sport?
I'm not disagreeing with people that say he makes winning plays and plays hard. I'm saying the fact that he can't finish around the rim at a high percentage, can't stretch the floor for this offense leaves everyone playing with him in that lineup at a huge disadvantage because he has to be ball dominant even though he's a sub par playmaker at best.
You are saying Smart sucks....He doesn't suck. He's probably going to make the all defensive team this year. How can a player suck when he's that good on defense?
I have more knowledge than you in my pinkie crap? What does that even mean? I'm not a professional athletes by any means, but playing basketball it seems clear to me how much impact little things have on winning a game...not everyone on the team is going to be a star offensive player
I'm not going to argue with you about who knows more about basketball or who's played longer. That's what it means because I have no idea who you are and how long you've played and you don't that either about me. I'm sure we have both played basketball ___ amount of years and we learned this ___ much. It's a moot point that doesn't deserve time within the debate. I understand that he makes winning plays and acknowledge that as I've said above. I'm saying at some point we need to look objectively at Smart's resume of work. Look back and take a hard look. And realize that Smart is an average overall NBA player that is just as replaceable as the next guy. He plays great D, but a large part of his positives can be outweighed by his glaring weaknesses offensively.
Any argument you make isn't going to hold water. You are just trying to salvage your credibility. You said he played horribly, we showed its isnt so. Then you admit you are biased. Now you are going back on your statement and saying he makes winning plays and just need to look at him objectively, thereby indirectly saying he didn't play too horrible.
MY GOD HOW CAN YOU BE SO THICK?! WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THING AND EVERYTIME YOU MISS IT!
WE SHOWED YOU BY USING YOUR EFFIN ARGUMENT AGAINST YOU. ITS A WASTE OF TIME TRYING TO ARGUE WITH SOMEONE OF THIS LOW LEVEL.
You guys claim that plus/minus doesn't matter and I guess his atrocious FG% doesn't matter now. So besides his 7 rebounds and you guys saying he had a great performance, how did he have a good game?
You guys don't have any?
I was arguing that Smart's plus/minus and his terrible FG% were direct examples of why his game was bad. Even if you completely disprove that, it still doesn't prove that Smart had a good game.
Because besides his little 7 rebounds the stats, which generally are more accurate then someone just saying played well, mean more and they show that Smart's overall performance was bad.
It's okay to attack my intelligence buddy, but if you can't argue for yourself I'm not sure you should be talking.
REally could use Zizic about now. Someone to neutralize guys like Jokic, Plumlee
Nuggets look better without Faried and Mudiya..