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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Phantom255x on March 08, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
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http://nesn.com/2017/03/nba-rumors-celtics-to-go-hard-after-gordon-hayward-in-free-agency/
Here’s something you haven’t heard before: The Boston Celtics are interested in Gordon Hayward. OK, maybe you have seen the countless reports linking the Utah Jazz star to Boston. But there’s a reason for all the chatter: Hayward seemingly would be a good fit with Celtics, considering his scoring ability from the wing and experience playing for C’s head coach Brad Stevens at Butler.
Hayward will become a free agent this summer, and there are rumors Boston will try to sign the 26-year-old forward. Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports’ “The Vertical” stoked those rumors on his latest podcast, which included a discussion of why the Celtics are “looming as a real threat” to land Hayward.
“There’s tremendous pressure on (Utah) right now because Gordon Hayward’s a free agent, and Boston has cap space — and Brad Stevens,” Wojnarowski said on the podcast.
“… This isn’t the reason Boston didn’t make a deal (at the NBA trade deadline), but it is part of their thought: ‘Why would we give up all of our assets for Paul George and Jimmy Butler when we could go out in free agency and sign Gordon Hayward?’ They’re going to go hard after him.”
Per Wojnarowski, a lot depends on how the Jazz fare in this year’s playoffs. If Utah, currently the Western Conference’s No. 4 seed, fails to make a deep playoff run, Hayward might be more inclined to sign elsewhere in free agency, seeing as guard George Hill also will be a free agent in 2017.
“They want to be able to achieve in the postseason and show Gordon, ‘Hey, we’ve got a group here for you that we’re going to win big with,'” Wojnarowski added. “But Boston is in a pretty good position. They’ve got a pretty good situation. They are going to take a shot at him, assuming they don’t do something big at the (NBA) draft.”
Nothing terribly new here, we are interested in Hayward.. Water is wet.. Hurray.
Some interesting points here made by Woj in the podcast, and the parts I bolded above are some big points and factors that could lead to a potential signing this summer. The hope is that Boston at least makes the second round and puts up a great fight while Utah are first round exits.
Also, it makes sense to not overpay for Butler/PG13 when you could draft Fultz/Ball/Jackson + sign Hayward, or do the complicated thing and try to add PG13/Butler + Griffin/Hayward (with obvious trades involved) in the off season. We weren't winning this year with PG13/Butler anyways.
To me, in Free Agency, Blake Griffin is Plan A, and Gordon Hayward is a great Plan B.
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
Likely Avery. He's gonna command at least 18-20 M/Year on his next contract.
Ainge will probably extend IT+Smart. Crowder is on an absolute bargain contract. Very efficient as well.
Hayward is a legit #2 scorer this team needs alongside IT.
Obviously there are other options like Griffin or a big trade for someone else though.
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Adding an all star talent at SF makes us sooooo good, 1-4, 6-8. Who starts at center?
A bench of Smart, Brown, and Crowder! Who is the bench big?
Really, the 9-player rotation could make a deep push. There are minutes for these guys at least.
Is there a way we can resign KO in a his scenario? Might be the best option.
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
I would think if we sign Hayward we are packaging Bradley or Crowder with other assets for Paul George or Jimmy Butler. Like Wyc suggested, the team is looking to add two stars, not just one.
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Celtics can keep all of Bradley, Smart and IT and still sign Hayward. I assume that we'll let Jerebko, KO and Amir go if we sign Hayward and fill the rosters with minimum and rookie contracts.
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
I would think if we sign Hayward we are packaging Bradley or Crowder with other assets for Paul George or Jimmy Butler. Like Wyc suggested, the team is looking to add two stars, not just one.
That will mean A LOT of depth is gone.
What exactly is our front court after that? Horford. Zizic. Then who?
Mickey probably isn't getting re-signed either.
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
I would think if we sign Hayward we are packaging Bradley or Crowder with other assets for Paul George or Jimmy Butler. Like Wyc suggested, the team is looking to add two stars, not just one.
I'm not sure. We really need another starting caliber big that can fit next to Horford, and I'm just not sure where you can find that.
Unless they're thinking that they'll go small with something like IT, AB/Smart, Crowder, Hayward, Horford, though I think AB is ultimately shopped for a big man upgrade or future picks. That's a pretty ridiculous offensive group that would be extremely difficult to stop, but there's just going to be certain teams that we can't guard due to them being too big.
I'm still kind of curious about a trade revolving around a Bradley for Favors swap in that type of scenario with Hayward playing the two. That's a really, really good team that I think would give every team problems:
PG: IT, Fultz/Ball
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Favors, Yab?
C: Horford, Zizic?
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It doesn't get any more definitive than "real threat."
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I'm not sure. We really need another starting caliber big that can fit next to Horford, and I'm just not sure where you can find that.
How about Tyson Chandler? We have the chips. See what happens with Zizic as a backup.
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I'm not sure. We really need another starting caliber big that can fit next to Horford, and I'm just not sure where you can find that.
How about Tyson Chandler? We have the chips. See what happens with Zizic as a backup.
I'm not sure about a Chandler/Horford pairing defensively.
EDIT: But that being said, I've always wanted Chandler on our team. He fits right in with the character of this team, and he'd certainly help our rim protection and rebounding, along with leadership.
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I'm not sure. We really need another starting caliber big that can fit next to Horford, and I'm just not sure where you can find that.
How about Tyson Chandler? We have the chips. See what happens with Zizic as a backup.
I'm not sure about a Chandler/Horford pairing defensively.
It depends on the matchup, I think, like you said above.
I think the ideal is to have someone who's Ok playing with Horford against bigger lineups, and can play instead of Horford when Crowder is at PF but defense/rebounding are at a premium.
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Bradley, Thomas, Rozier and Crowder for DeMarcus Cousins
Cousins
Horford
Hayward
7Brown
Fultz
Smart
Stacked for now and then.
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Bradley, Thomas, Rozier and Crowder for DeMarcus Cousins
Cousins
Horford
Hayward
7Brown
Fultz
Smart
Stacked for now and then.
if we wanted Cousins hed be a Celtic today.
move on. The Celtics dont want him and New Orleans isnt trading him.
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
I would think if we sign Hayward we are packaging Bradley or Crowder with other assets for Paul George or Jimmy Butler. Like Wyc suggested, the team is looking to add two stars, not just one.
That will mean A LOT of depth is gone.
What exactly is our front court after that? Horford. Zizic. Then who?
Mickey probably isn't getting re-signed either.
We have a lot of players we need to move. Too many young guys for only 15 roster spots.
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I really think that short of Blake Griffin it is heavily questionable that we should clear full max cap space.
As some have mentioned in this thread already, it leaves us very thin in the front court and it probably means losing one of Smart/AB/IT long term which I would be unhappy about.
The link to Boston is Brad. I'm not so sure that makes a difference on our side. Brad seems like a coach who makes connections with his players, that is happening with the players he has right now. Bradley, Smart, Brown, all guys that Brad gushes about and invests a lot f time in. Don't be shocked if he values his relationship with them highly this summer.
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Hayward helps fill a big need on this team (another legit scoring option and someone who can create their own shot).
I don't think the C's need to spend big money or assets on getting a "big" to Boston. They just need serviceable bigs considering their preference is to go small the majority of the time.
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I wonder if we can keep any of Jerebko or Amir on an "exception" deal.
Keeping either as a reserve depth option for size would really help.
We'd have Horford, Zizic, then not much next season behind them IF we sign a max-FA.
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If Hayward signs here, keep Crowder...he's on a great contract and he can come off the bench.
Unfortunately Bradley will have to go to get that next star. :-[
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
Something will give. You'll be trading Bradley or Crowder plus the 18' BKN pick, 18' Celtics 1st round pick for DeAndre Jordan. Doc still deciding if he wants Bradley or Crowder.
Ainge wants in on this draft & has his board setup like this:
1) Fultz
2) Ball
3) Tatum
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If we sign hayward somethings gotta give. Brown deserves the minutes crowder or avery would get. So one of those guys would get shipped out. Probably bradley since crowders contract is so insanely good
Something will give. You'll be trading Bradley or Crowder plus the 18' BKN pick, 18' Celtics 1st round pick for DeAndre Jordan. Doc still deciding if he wants Bradley or Crowder.
Ainge wants in on this draft & has his board setup like this:
1) Fultz
2) Ball
3) Tatum
This is too much for a player with so poor offensive game and zero shot range. I don't think he fits our system a lot, and also we can get a better big with Brooklyn's 2018.
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I hope we land the number #1 and Ball/Fultz go #1 and #2. We trade the #1 pick for the number #3 or 4 and get a SF/PF Tatum or Jackson. Lets hope the asset is a PF or C better than Amir or Zeller. If not get a later pick....
Let Amir and JJ Walk.
Do a partial sign and trade with Zeller. Utah cuts Zeller for a trade exception.
Resign KO for 4 @ 12 a year (hopes he takes it)
Resign Young 5 million a year for 4 years (last two not guaranteed)
IT, Smart, Rozier (keep him and that contract) Jackson
Bradley, Brown, Young
Hayward, Jae,
Al, ROOKIE, Mickey
Zizzic, KO (Asset from the trade) Or Amir signs a one year for what cap space we have left.....
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Unless Jae is traded ..
Jae has to prove himself this upcoming playoffs
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I hope we land the number #1 and Ball/Fultz go #1 and #2. We trade the #1 pick for the number #3 or 4 and get a SF/PF Tatum or Jackson. Lets hope the asset is a PF or C better than Amir or Zeller. If not get a later pick....
Let Amir and JJ Walk.
Do a partial sign and trade with Zeller. Utah cuts Zeller for a trade exception.
Resign KO for 4 @ 12 a year (hopes he takes it)
Resign Young 5 million a year for 4 years (last two not guaranteed)
IT, Smart, Rozier (keep him and that contract) Jackson
Bradley, Brown, Young
Hayward, Jae,
Al, ROOKIE, Mickey
Zizzic, KO (Asset from the trade) Or Amir signs a one year for what cap space we have left.....
Trade exceptions don't work like that. If Utah cut Zeller, he'd still count against their cap and you can't trade a cap hit. We'd either have to absorb him using some cap space for them to get an exception.
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Unless Jae is traded ..
Jae has to prove himself this upcoming playoffs
To be fair, there are A TON of guys who need to prove themselves.
IT was certainly not horrible last year in the Atlanta series but he has to prove himself as well.
Again, not just Crowder, but a lot of guys. Also, Crowder did play hurt most of that series.
Hopefully everyone is 100% healthy. We saw yesterday and most of this season how well this team is when 100% healthy.
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Hayward helps fill a big need on this team (another legit scoring option and someone who can create their own shot).
I don't think the C's need to spend big money or assets on getting a "big" to Boston. They just need serviceable bigs considering their preference is to go small the majority of the time.
But do we play small because our depth at the bigs is so bad?
I'd love to get Griffin, but that's going to be a tough sell if, as reported, he want to stay on the west coast.
If we signed Hayward, we'd have Hayward, Bradley, Brown, Crowder and Smart all trying to get time at the 2 or 3. I suppose we could play Jae as a small-ball 4, but we're still short a couple of spots.
I love Avery Bradley and he's my favorite player, but he does seem to be the odd man out. Question: What could you get for him in a trade, considering he'd be a one-year rental?
Mike
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Too many times in recent years I've gotten my hopes up for Star Player X only to have it not materialize. I'll believe Hayward-to-Boston if and when it happens.
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I think Woj is getting the same feeling I've been getting--that Ainge has Hayward in the bag.
He is quick to say he doesn't think that's why Ainge did nothing at the trade deadline. I disagree there-- I think Ainge's inaction was because he is close to the cap with the numbers for Hayward, and didn't want to complicate the picture with any additions.
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Honestly, I would love Hayward on this team. He is built for Brad's system. Very familiar because he played for Brad at Butler. And also he's an extremely talented player and shooter. Gordon Hayward would be a perfect fit for Boston. Let's hope we make a splash in free agency this summer!