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Title: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Big333223 on March 07, 2017, 08:03:54 PM
I made a thread like this a few weeks ago with a trade everyone hated so without getting into too many specifics what would everyone think about a deal this summer for Porzingis built around IT and Horford?

I'm sure the Knicks would be reluctant to give up the Unicorn but they're stuck with Carmelo and bringing in IT and Al could make them playoff contenders right away and match with his timeline better.

Obviously this means the Celtics take a step back in the short term but there are some obvious roster balance questions that are taken care of and Porzingis still projects to be the best player of the 3, IMO. I also think a team of Smart, Bradley, and Fultz/Ball as guards, Crowder, Brown, and Olynyk as forwards, and Porzingis and Zizic as centers could make the playoffs in the East.

Would you be willing to see the Celtics take a step back if it meant answering some of the roster/financial questions and adding a piece like Porzingis? What might the Celtics have to get to get him, if at all?
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: footey on March 07, 2017, 08:09:14 PM
Pretty confident that the Knicks trading Porzingis is a non-starter. The one and only thing Jackson did correctly as GM was drafting him. Untouchable. Nice try though.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: RJ87 on March 07, 2017, 08:10:05 PM
Porzingis is still on a rookie scale contract and will be under the team's control for the next few years. It'd be beyond bad management to give up one of the league's best young big men to appease Carmelo's ego. That's worthy of getting fired.

NY should bring in Melo, be upfront with him and then work with him to find a suitable trade destination. That's far more likely than them trading KP.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 07, 2017, 08:13:04 PM
Because teams always trade their best player to a divisional rival, no way NYC does this and you have to have magical thinking to think they would even consider this move.   Say "hi" to your unicorn!
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: blackbird on March 07, 2017, 08:34:02 PM
Would rather target Kawhi Leonard.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
Sorry Big, gotta agree with the rest. There is no way NYK gives up Porzingas for anyone except maybe Anthony Davis. Or Lebron. Simply isn't happening.

And as for trading away our two stars, well good luck ever signing another max level free agent or hoping a star would call to be traded to Boston ever again. The front office finds a star, signs a max free agent and in one year trades them both after they help to build the foundation to something bigger and you dump them in the name of building with early 20-somethings. Yeah, stars and their free agents won't look favorably towards that. It would really hurt the team overall.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2017, 08:57:47 PM
Obviously Boston is also taking on Noah in this scenario as well which does at least make it not totally laughable
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Big333223 on March 08, 2017, 06:50:05 AM
I love this place. The last thread I made, posing a trade, everyone said I was crazy and it would be too much to give up for Porzingis. This time, everyone thinks Porzingis is untouchable. Both things can be true, I guess.

Given New York's situation, I think he'd be a guy having a conversation about, anyway.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: hodgy03038 on March 08, 2017, 06:54:43 AM
I'd rather not target untouchables. It's a waste of time no matter how much sense it may make.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Surferdad on March 08, 2017, 07:08:45 AM
Porzingis is still on a rookie scale contract and will be under the team's control for the next few years. It'd be beyond bad management to give up one of the league's best young big men to appease Carmelo's ego. That's worthy of getting fired.

NY should bring in Melo, be upfront with him and then work with him to find a suitable trade destination. That's far more likely than them trading KP.
Yes, and even if Porzingis wasn't a superstar in the making, it would be an unwise move.  Rookie scale contracts are like gold.  To also suggest Jackson would trade away a young superstar-in-the-making is just not reasonable.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Moranis on March 08, 2017, 08:23:40 AM
I obviously don't watch many Knick games, and the Zinger is shooting better and slightly more often, but all of his other stats are worse than his rookie year (on a per minute basis).  Would that give you concern going forward if you were the Knicks?  I don't know the answer to that, but maybe he is who is always going to be right now, which is a very good player, but very far from elite/superstar/franchise player status.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Big333223 on March 08, 2017, 10:48:54 AM
I obviously don't watch many Knick games, and the Zinger is shooting better and slightly more often, but all of his other stats are worse than his rookie year (on a per minute basis).  Would that give you concern going forward if you were the Knicks?  I don't know the answer to that, but maybe he is who is always going to be right now, which is a very good player, but very far from elite/superstar/franchise player status.
He's 21 and in his second season, so it's hard for me to think he'll stop improving but he certainly wouldn't be the first NBA player to plateau after a big NBA entrance.

I've also heard from somewhere (I don't remember when) that playing alongside Melo and Rose (two ballstoppers) has really hindered Porzingis from showcasing his playmaking ability. I got the sense he'd be better suited to an offense like the Celtics' where the ball moves around a lot more and he was allowed to create a little.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: byennie on March 08, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
If you really want Porzingis, you'd have to talk BKN picks.

Fultz or Ball for 2 years of Porzingis would seemingly help both teams, even though that type of trade pretty much never happens.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Big333223 on March 08, 2017, 12:30:43 PM
If you really want Porzingis, you'd have to talk BKN picks.

Fultz or Ball for 2 years of Porzingis would seemingly help both teams, even though that type of trade pretty much never happens.
I disagree. While I agree that Porzingis would be very expensive to get (if gettable at all), the only reason the Knicks would ever do it would be to wring everything they can out of the last years of Carmelo. That means players who can play now. If they are willing to wait around for a Brooklyn pick to be great, they'd just keep Porzingis.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: byennie on March 08, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
If you really want Porzingis, you'd have to talk BKN picks.

Fultz or Ball for 2 years of Porzingis would seemingly help both teams, even though that type of trade pretty much never happens.
I disagree. While I agree that Porzingis would be very expensive to get (if gettable at all), the only reason the Knicks would ever do it would be to wring everything they can out of the last years of Carmelo. That means players who can play now. If they are willing to wait around for a Brooklyn pick to be great, they'd just keep Porzingis.

Could be. I also think they need a PG and could make a lot of $$ off the excitement of Fultz or Ball in NYC. Phil Jackson sounds like he's ready to get rid of Carmelo more than try to make a run with him, because he knows he's not that good.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: nickagneta on March 08, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: trickybilly on March 08, 2017, 01:57:56 PM
Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

More likely to trade Spike Lee too
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: chilidawg on March 08, 2017, 02:41:56 PM
Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

They just traded for Rose and Noah, thinking that would make them contenders.  I have a great deal of faith in the Knicks ability to do stupid things.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: trickybilly on March 08, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

They just traded for Rose and Noah, thinking that would make them contenders.  I have a great deal of faith in the Knicks ability to do stupid things.

Pretty sure Noah was a FA signing.

In any event, Joakim will be the proud recipient of a check for USD20,000,000 in the year 2020. OUCH - your point is made - and that will make waiting for Gerald Wallace's deal to expire feel like a 20 second timeout.

Still seething we couldn't nab O'Quinn at the deadline..
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Big333223 on March 08, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.
Not only are they more likely to trade Carmelo, they actively want to do so, if I understand right. But the only reason the thought of getting Porzingins came into my mind is because Melo seems to like living in NY and I think his wife loves NY and he has a no trade clause he doesn't want to waive. If that is indeed the case, the Knicks are stuck and the Celtics could, via a trade like I proposed, give the Knicks the ability to at least contend while Melo runs out the clock on this contract.

I don't know if it's likely but it's the only reason I think, maybe, the Knicks might ever do a deal involving the Unicorn.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 08, 2017, 11:10:26 PM
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Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: RockinRyA on March 08, 2017, 11:11:40 PM
If only Porzingis didnt pull out of the 2014 draft, we might've had him instead of James Young. There were a lot of reports then that said Danny liked him at 17 (where he was projected)
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Phantom255x on March 14, 2017, 09:14:09 PM
This is old, I know.

But Porzingis has been frustrated lately (understandably).

I don't think he leaves but at this point I wouldn't call him untouchable.

Maybe in the Summer of 2018 if the Knicks suck next season as well?
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: jpotter33 on March 14, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: footey on March 14, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
If only Porzingis didnt pull out of the 2014 draft, we might've had him instead of James Young. There were a lot of reports then that said Danny liked him at 17 (where he was projected)

I know. Still rue that day he pulled out. I would have taken him with the 6th pick if he'd stayed in.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: tazzmaniac on March 14, 2017, 09:58:51 PM
What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.   
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: chilidawg on March 14, 2017, 10:36:29 PM
Why would the Knicks trade porzingas, and why would we want Melo?
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: jpotter33 on March 14, 2017, 10:55:50 PM
What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.

The first pick in the draft, which I assumed the pick would pretty much have to be, is certainly just as valuable if not more than Porzingis. Draft picks like that always get an exaggerated value around the draft, because the drafts and top prospects are always overly hyped.

The trade breakdown goes like this:

Porzingis for the Brooklyn pick and Crowder = certainly fair, especially with as high as Phil reportedly is on Crowder.

Melo and their 2017 pick for the Memphis pick, Rozier, and Zizic (who many suggest would be a top-10 pick this year) = I think that's pretty fair, too, especially with as low as Melo's value is. You might have to include the Clippers pick, too, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker.

I think a Crowder, Rozier, Zizic, Markelle Fultz/Lonzo Ball, and Memphis pick young core is just as good of a starting core as Porzingis and Malik Monk. And going this trade route gives them two more years of the franchise star (Fultz) over Porzingis, along with several more long-term prospects to start over with. This also allows them to properly tank and rebuild the next several years instead of having Melo keep them just bad enough to be out of the playoffs, while not good enough to get a top pick.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: tazzmaniac on March 14, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.

The first pick in the draft, which I assumed the pick would pretty much have to be, is certainly just as valuable if not more than Porzingis. Draft picks like that always get an exaggerated value around the draft, because the drafts and top prospects are always overly hyped.

The trade breakdown goes like this:

Porzingis for the Brooklyn pick and Crowder = certainly fair, especially with as high as Phil reportedly is on Crowder.

Melo and their 2017 pick for the Memphis pick, Rozier, and Zizic (who many suggest would be a top-10 pick this year) = I think that's pretty fair, too, especially with as low as Melo's value is. You might have to include the Clippers pick, too, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker.

I think a Crowder, Rozier, Zizic, Markelle Fultz/Lonzo Ball, and Memphis pick young core is just as good of a starting core as Porzingis and Malik Monk. And going this trade route gives them two more years of the franchise star (Fultz) over Porzingis, along with several more long-term prospects to start over with. This also allows them to properly tank and rebuild the next several years instead of having Melo keep them just bad enough to be out of the playoffs, while not good enough to get a top pick.
Porzingis has already proven himself to be a good, young NBA player with star potential.  No one in this draft has proven anything.  Lots of good potential in this draft but I don't see a sure fire franchise star.  Fultz could end up being Mudiay with knee issues. 

As for the 2nd part of the trade, Rozier has little value and a 2 year out protected pick doesn't have much value either.  I wouldn't take Zizic top 10 in this draft.  There is not a big demand for old school centers.  Even if Zizic and the 2019 Memphis pick would get you the Knicks 2017 pick which I doubt, they'd be trading Melo for Rozier. 

If I'm the Knicks and want to go into rebuild mode, I'd try to trade Melo to the Bulls for their 2017 1st (currently 14th).  Chicago was Melo's 2nd choice a couple years ago so he may waive his no trade clause for them.  Less sure that he do so for us.  Assuming that the Bulls want to keep Butler, they are going to need make a move to add established talent and there's not much realistically available in free agency. 
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Endless Paradise on March 15, 2017, 05:32:29 AM
Gotta agree, there's no way the Knicks are trading their draft pick if they trade Melo. The point of trading Melo would be to go for the complete rebuild through the draft.
Title: Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
Post by: Big333223 on March 15, 2017, 11:49:31 AM
What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.

The first pick in the draft, which I assumed the pick would pretty much have to be, is certainly just as valuable if not more than Porzingis. Draft picks like that always get an exaggerated value around the draft, because the drafts and top prospects are always overly hyped.

The trade breakdown goes like this:

Porzingis for the Brooklyn pick and Crowder = certainly fair, especially with as high as Phil reportedly is on Crowder.

Melo and their 2017 pick for the Memphis pick, Rozier, and Zizic (who many suggest would be a top-10 pick this year) = I think that's pretty fair, too, especially with as low as Melo's value is. You might have to include the Clippers pick, too, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker.

I think a Crowder, Rozier, Zizic, Markelle Fultz/Lonzo Ball, and Memphis pick young core is just as good of a starting core as Porzingis and Malik Monk. And going this trade route gives them two more years of the franchise star (Fultz) over Porzingis, along with several more long-term prospects to start over with. This also allows them to properly tank and rebuild the next several years instead of having Melo keep them just bad enough to be out of the playoffs, while not good enough to get a top pick.
Porzingis has already proven himself to be a good, young NBA player with star potential.  No one in this draft has proven anything.  Lots of good potential in this draft but I don't see a sure fire franchise star.  Fultz could end up being Mudiay with knee issues. 

As for the 2nd part of the trade, Rozier has little value and a 2 year out protected pick doesn't have much value either.  I wouldn't take Zizic top 10 in this draft.  There is not a big demand for old school centers.  Even if Zizic and the 2019 Memphis pick would get you the Knicks 2017 pick which I doubt, they'd be trading Melo for Rozier. 

If I'm the Knicks and want to go into rebuild mode, I'd try to trade Melo to the Bulls for their 2017 1st (currently 14th).  Chicago was Melo's 2nd choice a couple years ago so he may waive his no trade clause for them.  Less sure that he do so for us.  Assuming that the Bulls want to keep Butler, they are going to need make a move to add established talent and there's not much realistically available in free agency.
tazzmaniac is right. If the Knicks want to rebuild, the last thing they'd do is trade Porzingis. And I also don't think they'd trade him for the #1 pick, straight up.

The only reason they might ever let Porzingis go, I think, is if they decide to go the opposite way. Say, "Screw rebuilding, I want to win now" and try to get as much out of Carmelo's last years as they can. It's not the preferred method but if they are truly stuck with Carmelo, they won't be bad enough to bottom out and get good young help for Porzingis but they also can't really compete with those two on such disparate timelines.