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Boston Celtics (40-23) at Los Angeles Clippers (37-25)
Monday, March 6, 2017
10:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #64, Road Game #34
TV: TNT, CSNNE, Prime Ticket
Radio: 100.7 WZLX, AM570 LA Sports
Staples Center
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Probable Starting Matchups
Point Guard
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Isaiah Thomas vs Chris Paul
Shooting Guard
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Avery Bradley vs JJ Redick
Small Forward
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Jae Crowder vs Luc Mbah a Moute
Power Forward
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Jonas Jerebko vs Blake Griffin
Center
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Amir Johnson vs DeAndre Jordan
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Celtics Reserves
Marcus Smart
Gerald Green
Terry Rozier
James Young
Tyler Zeller
Kelly Olynyk
Demetrius Jackson
Jordan Mickey
Injuries
Avery Bradley (hamstring) probable
Al Horford (elbow) questionable
Head Coach
Brad Stevens
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Clippers Reserves
Alan Anderson
Brandon Bass
Jamal Crawford
Raymond Felton
Brice Johnson
Wesley Johnson
Paul Pierce
Austin Rivers
Marreese Speights
Diamond Stone
Injuries
Brice Johnson (knee) questionable
Head Coach
Doc Rivers
Game Notes
The Celtics come off a heartbreaking loss to the Phoenix Suns to take on the Los Angeles Clippers for the second and final time this season. The Celtics won the first meeting in Boston 107-102 in an emotional game as Paul Pierce played his last game at the TD Garden. They were missing Chris Paul in that game but he is back for the Clippers now.
The schedule makers didn't do the Celtics any favors when they scheduled this trip. They played the Lakers at the Staples Center on Friday and instead of staying in LA to play the Clippers in the same building, they scheduled a trip to Phoenix for Sunday and a turn around to play the Clippers on Monday back at the Staples Center.
The Celtics are playing on the second night of back to back games. The short handed Celtics lost to the Suns on Sunday as Tyler Ulis hit a last second shot to give the Suns the win. The Celtics are 9-5 on the second night of back to back games. This is their first back to back set where both games are on the road.
Both teams are 6-4 in their last 10 games. Since the All Star break, the Celtics are 3-3. The Clippers are 2-4 since the break. Both teams have dealt with injuries. The Celtics were finally healthy for a couple of games and then injuries hit once again. The Clippers finally got Chris Paul back and are mostly healthy now. The Celtics are 19-14 on the road while the Clippers are 19-10 at home.
Avery Bradley missed the game against the Suns with a sore hamstring but it sounded like it was mostly precautionary and Avery said that he planned to play in this game. Whether the training staff lets him play remains to be seen. If Avery can't play, expect Jaylen Brown to start in his place.
Al Horford also missed the game against the Suns. He reportedly sprained his elbow going for a block against the LA Lakers on Friday night. There was no timetable given for his return but it wasn't considered to be serious so hopefully he will return soon. They could really use him in this game against Blake Griffin. If he can't play, Jonas Jerebko will more than likely get the start once again. Diamond Stone is questionable for the Clippers with a knee injury.
While not as emotional as Paul Pierce's final game in the Garden, this should be an emotional game for The Truth as he faces the team that he played with for 15 seasons for the final time. I imagine that Doc Rivers will encourage the Clippers to beat his former team. It can't sit will with him that the team that he left for a contender because he didn't want to go through a rebuild has a better record than his current team.
Standings Reset
The Celtics dropped to 3 games behind the idle Cavaliers. Washington scored a 1 point win over the Magic, who led most of the game, to move to within 2 games of the Celtics. The idle Raptors moved to 3 games behind the Celtics. Atlanta is 5 games behind the Celtics.
The Cavaliers play at Miami, the team that beat them by 28 points in Cleveland on Friday. The Hawks host the Golden State Warriors. The Wizards and Raptors are off on Monday night.
Key Matchups
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Jonas Jerebko vs Blake Griffin
Griffin is averaging 22.2 points, 8.6 rebounds, and 5.1 assists per game. He is very athletic and is always a threat to score and to grab rebounds for second chance points. The Celtics need to keep him off the boards and must stay with him on defense to keep him from having a big game.
Griffin is shooting 44% from beyond the arc in his last 10 games and so it will be important to cover him on the three point line as well as driving to the basket.
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Isaiah Thomas vs Chris Paul
Chris Paul missed the first meeting between these two teams but should be good to go for this one. He is averaging 17.5 points, 9.7 assists, and 2.2 steals per game. This is another team with tough back courts to defend. Expect Marcus, Avery, Jaylen or Jae to try to keep Chris Paul in check if he begins to have a big game.
Honorable Mention
Avery Bradley vs JJ Redick
Hopefully Avery will be good to go because his defense will be needed to keep Redick from having a big game. He is averaging 14.8 points, and shooting 43.7% from the field and 41.6% from beyond the arc. It will be key to keep a good defender on him at all times.
Keys to the Game
Defense - Defense wins games and the Celtics need to play tough team defense. The Clippers average 107.9 points per game and so the Celtics will need to slow them down and not get into a shoot out with them. The Celtics defense has been up and down this season but they will need to make it a priority in this game.
Rebound - The Celtics can't score if they don't have the ball. Much of rebounding is effort and desire and so the Celtics must put out the extra effort on the boards to give themselves extra possessions as well as to limit the Clippers fast break opportunities and second chance points. The Clippers will easily turn rebounds into points. The Clippers average 43.3 rebounds per game while the Celtics average 41.4 rebounds per game. They have to put in the work to win the battle of the boards.
Energy and Effort - The Celtics have to come out with energy and have to play harder than the Clippers. 100% effort from every Celtic will be needed to get a win in this one, especially if either Bradley or Horford or both can't play. They have to be the more aggressive team and be the team that wants it more. The Celtics will have to play harder and with more effort.
Take Care of the Ball - The Celtics need to move the ball to find the open man but they need to make careful passes and not turn the ball over. At times the Celtics seem to lose focus and get careless and turn the ball over several times in a row. The Clippers will turn those miscues into points on the other end.
Play 48 Minutes - The Celtics seem to play very well at times, sometimes starting off strong and sometimes finishing strong. But then at other times, they seem to fade away after a fast start or they start out sluggish and have to spend the rest of the game playing catch up. They have to make an effort to play hard and keep their focus from the starting tip until the final buzzer.
X-Factors
Focus on the Road- The Celtics are playing the 3rd game of a tough 5 game road trip. They are 1-1 so far after an easy win over the Lakers and a heartbreaking loss to the Suns. They have the Golden State Warriors coming up on Wednesday but they can't afford to look ahead. They have to focus on the game at hand and block out all the distractions of playing on the road.
Officiating - The officiating is an x factor for every game. Every officiating crew calls games differently. Some call every little foul making it difficult to get any rhythm and some let the teams play. Some refs have an agenda and call the game for or against a particular team or player. And there are always star calls no matter who the referees are. Expect Chris Paul and Blake Griffin to get their share of those. Regardless of how the game is called, the Celtics need to play through it and keep their focus.
1stnext to other posters!
And a TP to hwangjini for always giving me a smile and being very close to first. I'm surprised that you didn't mention the flasks at the top - After that loss to the Suns, I think we all need a drink or two. (Although I'll make mine Apple Cider :) )1stnext to other posters!
such is life sometimes. but at least we all have another fabulous game thread from flc, which means the celtics will actually hit their [dang]ed free throws for this game!!! >:(
a tp for flc, as ever.
and, as ever, goooooooooooo celtics!!!!
Ha, ha, ha. I almost did mention them. But i thought we all didn't anymore encouragement after the suns game. ;) and by the way, apple cider can be pretty strong stuff. ;DAnd a TP to hwangjini for always giving me a smile and being very close to first. I'm surprised that you didn't mention the flasks at the top - After that loss to the Suns, I think we all need a drink or two. (Although I'll make mine Apple Cider :) )1stnext to other posters!
such is life sometimes. but at least we all have another fabulous game thread from flc, which means the celtics will actually hit their [dang]ed free throws for this game!!! >:(
a tp for flc, as ever.
and, as ever, goooooooooooo celtics!!!!
Has anyone heard anything on Horford? I haven't seen anything.Latest is that both Avery and Horford are game time decisions. Avery more likely to play than Horford.
This will be a tough game. We will need to focus fire.Welcome to cb, and have a tp. No one here should have zero tps. ;D
Has anyone heard anything on Horford? I haven't seen anything.Latest is that both Avery and Horford are game time decisions. Avery more likely to play than Horford.
Has anyone heard anything on Horford? I haven't seen anything.Latest is that both Avery and Horford are game time decisions. Avery more likely to play than Horford.
Rest Horford at all costs I say. DO NOT want to be without him come playoffs.
Has anyone heard anything on Horford? I haven't seen anything.Latest is that both Avery and Horford are game time decisions. Avery more likely to play than Horford.
Rest Horford at all costs I say. DO NOT want to be without him come playoffs.
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Just spoke to @celtics Avery Bradley. He said he's "definitely" playing tonight vs #LAClippers. #Celticstalk
Good grief - Al (elbow) and JJ (flu) both out tonight. Freaking small ball galore.
Good grief - Al (elbow) and JJ (flu) both out tonight. Freaking small ball galore.
EDIT: Fifth starter still yet to be determined. I'm not sure who would be best. Our two best options to guard Blake in Al and JJ are out, so I guess you have to go Kelly? But he's been so objectively bad lately that he might go Mickey. Could just fully commit to small ball and go IT, AB, Brown, Crowder, and Amir. At least we'd be difficult to guard.
Good grief - Al (elbow) and JJ (flu) both out tonight. Freaking small ball galore.
EDIT: Fifth starter still yet to be determined. I'm not sure who would be best. Our two best options to guard Blake in Al and JJ are out, so I guess you have to go Kelly? But he's been so objectively bad lately that he might go Mickey. Could just fully commit to small ball and go IT, AB, Brown, Crowder, and Amir. At least we'd be difficult to guard.
Yeah I'd go with that lineup. Don't wanna start Kelly and end up having no backup. At least 1 of Kelly or Amir should be playing at all times. The question is who is gonna sub Crowder? Coz I dont trust Mickey.
At LA Live having dinner before game. It is amazing how many Celtics fans here. Hope we get this win gooooooo Celtics.
This is going to be a rough one, I feel that Zeller is going to start today
This is going to be a rough one, I feel that Zeller is going to start today
:'(
This is going to be a rough one, I feel that Zeller is going to start today
:'(
Robb is saying they're starting small, but doesn't give an actual player. I'm guessing it's Brown. I guess we'll see in a minute at tip-off.
I don't have high hopes for this one, but go Celts!
JB starting at the 4
This is going to be a rough one, I feel that Zeller is going to start today
:'(
That's a ridiculous three by IT.
Greeaaaaaaaaaaat Isaiah has 2 fouls.
Brad should put Brown with the second unit and swap him with Jerebko. Clipper's size is just too much for this small ball lineup.
Brad should put Brown with the second unit and swap him with Jerebko. Clipper's size is just too much for this small ball lineup.
Awesome effort by Jaylen!
Nice pass.
Awesome effort by Jaylen!
These announcers are awesome lol I love Mchale, and Rip and Anthony are pretty good, too.
What's with this long review in the 1st Q?
how is the play where jaylen runs into Redick not a foul on someone??
I'm loving Jaylen. Kid's got attitude...love it.
Seriously, what is wrong with KO? The kid is completely sabotaging his contract this summer.
Seriously, what is wrong with KO? The kid is completely sabotaging his contract this summer.
There does look like something is wrong with him?
Seriously, what is wrong with KO? The kid is completely sabotaging his contract this summer.
There does look like something is wrong with him?
His hair already look so wrong ;D
Seriously, what is wrong with KO? The kid is completely sabotaging his contract this summer. He can't even hit wide open jumpers anymore. I remember in years past he was nearly automatic from there.
What a block by Amir!!
I also think a win tonight would go a long way in having Griffin actually considering us this summer, if he even considers leaving LA at all.
What a block by Amir!!
I also think a win tonight would go a long way in having Griffin actually considering us this summer, if he even considers leaving LA at all.
What a block by Amir!!
I also think a win tonight would go a long way in having Griffin actually considering us this summer, if he even considers leaving LA at all.
Amir is quietly having a really good game..
What a block by Amir!!
I also think a win tonight would go a long way in having Griffin actually considering us this summer, if he even considers leaving LA at all.
Can't watch the game, only play by play. How the Celtics look so far?
Can't watch the game, only play by play. How the Celtics look so far?
dodged a bullet thereThis is going to be a rough one, I feel that Zeller is going to start today
:'(
Robb is saying they're starting small, but doesn't give an actual player. I'm guessing it's Brown. I guess we'll see in a minute at tip-off.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
like always :DCan't watch the game, only play by play. How the Celtics look so far?
Scrappy. Marcus came to play.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Rozier strikes again ::)
Does Young hit the shots in practice?
Still not sure why Rozier is running the offense or handling the ball as much as he is with Smart in there.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
AB should never attempt alley-oop passes.
AB should never attempt alley-oop passes.
Good take by Rozier. I still wonder why he never dunks, though. He's more than capable of it.
Kelly cleaning up on the offensive glassI love it
Kelly cleaning up on the offensive glassI love it
Good take by Rozier. I still wonder why he never dunks, though. He's more than capable of it.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
This is a good game so far I hope I can stay up 'till the end!As long as we keep winning, I don't sleep!
Good take by Rozier. I still wonder why he never dunks, though. He's more than capable of it.
The announcers said, 'Rozier with the hard attack,' and I thought they said 'heart-attack'. It seems he makes every shot more complicated than it needs to be.
Now, he may actually figure out these difficult shots, which will make him a very good scorer, but he does still miss too many lay-ups. Glad to see him knock down the 3, though!
If you call Rozier a shooting guard hes actually quite decent. A PG? not so much
scary terryGood take by Rozier. I still wonder why he never dunks, though. He's more than capable of it.
The announcers said, 'Rozier with the hard attack,' and I thought they said 'heart-attack'. It seems he makes every shot more complicated than it needs to be.
Now, he may actually figure out these difficult shots, which will make him a very good scorer, but he does still miss too many lay-ups. Glad to see him knock down the 3, though!
That's a good nick name for Rozier - The Heart Attack! He gives me one every game!
these jerseys suck
i wanna puke everytime i see them
I guess the good Olynyk decided to show up.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
If you call Rozier a shooting guard hes actually quite decent. A PG? not so much
I look at him as a Landry Barbosa type player
I guess the good Olynyk decided to show up.
What's he look like?
I guess the good Olynyk decided to show up.
What's he look like?
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
I think it's matchup specific, too. Like against Love and Cleveland, that's a bad matchup, as we saw in the only matchup they've both been available where Love torched Al.
Both of the Morris twins have had bouts of success against Horford's perimeter D, too, along with Marvin Williams in Charlotte. Essentially, Al struggles with the stretch 4's that are quicker and can stretch beyond the three point line.
I guess the good Olynyk decided to show up.
What's he look like?
He's got Hulk Hogan's hair on his head and Donald Trump's hair on his chin
If you call Rozier a shooting guard hes actually quite decent. A PG? not so much
I look at him as a Landry Barbosa type player
Barbosa smoother and more fundamentally sound.
I love Smart in the post.
I guess the good Olynyk decided to show up.
What's he look like?
If you call Rozier a shooting guard hes actually quite decent. A PG? not so much
I look at him as a Landry Barbosa type player
Barbosa smoother and more fundamentally sound.
No doubt, but Terry I think will be a similar player. Not as good (and never gonna win a 6MOY award like Barbosa did), but I think he can have a similar role and impact
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
I think it's matchup specific, too. Like against Love and Cleveland, that's a bad matchup, as we saw in the only matchup they've both been available where Love torched Al.
Both of the Morris twins have had bouts of success against Horford's perimeter D, too, along with Marvin Williams in Charlotte. Essentially, Al struggles with the stretch 4's that are quicker and can stretch beyond the three point line.
Al leads all NBA centers in 3-point shots defended.
I love Smart in the post.
Marcus is turning into a beast when he posts up
the only alternate ones i like are the st. patricks day ones with goldthese jerseys suck
i wanna puke everytime i see them
I don't mind them
I really hate the grey sleeved jerseys
Marcus is turning into a beast when he posts up
He and Jaylen should live there.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
NBA.com actually has it as a +8.0 net rating -- 112.5 to 104.5. Not a stellar defensive rating, but it's not especially poor either. Not good at defensive rebounding tho.
Marcus is turning into a beast when he posts up
He and Jaylen should live there.
With their son Kelly ... ;)
If you call Rozier a shooting guard hes actually quite decent. A PG? not so much
I look at him as a Landry Barbosa type player
Barbosa smoother and more fundamentally sound.
No doubt, but Terry I think will be a similar player. Not as good (and never gonna win a 6MOY award like Barbosa did), but I think he can have a similar role and impact
Maybe so. That would be awesome for us.
Marcus is turning into a beast when he posts up
He and Jaylen should live there.
With their son Kelly ... ;)
Kelly with 7 boards already tonight!
I love when Marcus battles the bigs in the defensive post too.
Smart!!
Zeller still sucks
Zeller still sucks
is it just me or is IT kind of reckless and more wild since the all star breakhis ego is like the housing bubble in 2008
is it just me or is IT kind of reckless and more wild since the all star break
Zeller still sucks
Guys ineptitude is disgusting.
Talk about someone hitting the lottery to be filler in a trade.
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
I think it's matchup specific, too. Like against Love and Cleveland, that's a bad matchup, as we saw in the only matchup they've both been available where Love torched Al.
Both of the Morris twins have had bouts of success against Horford's perimeter D, too, along with Marvin Williams in Charlotte. Essentially, Al struggles with the stretch 4's that are quicker and can stretch beyond the three point line.
Al leads all NBA centers in 3-point shots defended.
Does that account for both makes and misses, or does "defended" mean missed threes?
EDIT: And calling Al a "center" is a bit of a misnomer, too, because he plays a lot of his minutes as the PF next to Amir.
Worst display of shooting I have possibly ever seen by the Celtics. How does it look on TV?
is it just me or is IT kind of reckless and more wild since the all star breakhis ego is like the housing bubble in 2008
;D
Half time and still ahead. I'll take that.
Smart's stat line looks real good.how is he looking?
is it just me or is IT kind of reckless and more wild since the all star breakhis ego is like the housing bubble in 2008
;D
so you're saying we should short Thomas ;)
Ha, ha. Good one. Tp for the wit.Half time and still ahead. I'll take that.
Smart's stat line looks real good.how is he looking?
Better than his box score line, like normal. ;D
Worst display of shooting I have possibly ever seen by the Celtics. How does it look on TV?
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
I think it's matchup specific, too. Like against Love and Cleveland, that's a bad matchup, as we saw in the only matchup they've both been available where Love torched Al.
Both of the Morris twins have had bouts of success against Horford's perimeter D, too, along with Marvin Williams in Charlotte. Essentially, Al struggles with the stretch 4's that are quicker and can stretch beyond the three point line.
Al leads all NBA centers in 3-point shots defended.
Does that account for both makes and misses, or does "defended" mean missed threes?
EDIT: And calling Al a "center" is a bit of a misnomer, too, because he plays a lot of his minutes as the PF next to Amir.
It accounts for makes and misses. Players shoot 32.6% on 3s when defended by him, which is 17th of 69 centers who defend at least one three per game.
NBA.com calls him a center -- I just filtered by his position. But he plays fewer than half his minutes with Amir on the court, so he's appropriately classified.
Bae and Amir!!
Brown an underrated passer
Question - are we a better defensive team without Horford? There was an article I read today that was positing this.
I mean, having a 2/3/4/5 of AB, Jaylen, Jae, and Amir might make a bit more sense defensively than having Al at the 4. Sure, we're small and that hurts, but it's not like Al's presence would've helped that much on the boards anyways.
No, we are not. Al in that lineup instead of Amir is superior.
Agreed. The problem isnt Al, it's that Amir and Al are a bad combo
Al and Amir are +7.7 per 100 possessions when on the court. No player has a better net rating when paired with Horford. There might be some noise in there, of course, but the data doesn't show that they are a bad combo.
What are the offensive and defensive ratings for that combo? They're good offensively, but I think that combo is a source of a lot of our defensive issues
I think it's matchup specific, too. Like against Love and Cleveland, that's a bad matchup, as we saw in the only matchup they've both been available where Love torched Al.
Both of the Morris twins have had bouts of success against Horford's perimeter D, too, along with Marvin Williams in Charlotte. Essentially, Al struggles with the stretch 4's that are quicker and can stretch beyond the three point line.
Al leads all NBA centers in 3-point shots defended.
Does that account for both makes and misses, or does "defended" mean missed threes?
EDIT: And calling Al a "center" is a bit of a misnomer, too, because he plays a lot of his minutes as the PF next to Amir.
It accounts for makes and misses. Players shoot 32.6% on 3s when defended by him, which is 17th of 69 centers who defend at least one three per game.
NBA.com calls him a center -- I just filtered by his position. But he plays fewer than half his minutes with Amir on the court, so he's appropriately classified.
Do they have particular matchup statistics? I'd be interested to see which teams' players he defends better and worse.
Jaylen has been really impressive as a passer today.
This Celtics team is so perplexing.
Does the defensive intensity/efficiency really all boil down to effort? How do we go from last night's terrible overall game, including D, to tonight's elite-level D?
On paper, this is a team that should destroy our defense.
Avery!
This Celtics team is so perplexing.
Does the defensive intensity/efficiency really all boil down to effort? How do we go from last night's terrible overall game, including D, to tonight's elite-level D?
On paper, this is a team that should destroy our defense.
Avery!
followed by another hamstring soreness the next day ;D ;D ;D
ok now I feel bad saying it
MVP chants in Staples Center...unreal
This Celtics team is so perplexing.
Does the defensive intensity/efficiency really all boil down to effort? How do we go from last night's terrible overall game, including D, to tonight's elite-level D?
On paper, this is a team that should destroy our defense.
Avery Bradley is 1st-team All-Defense for a reason. The Clippers rely a lot on Chris Paul creating looks for everyone. That's not happening today.
Crowder can't miss those threes.
Crowder can't miss those threes.
He's a way off tonight!
Crowder can't miss those threes.
He's a way off tonight!
I love Crowder, man. Don't pick on my guy, he's been great for us this season.
Poor Olynyk getting zero respect from the refs tonight.
Crowder can't miss those threes.
He's a way off tonight!
I love Crowder, man. Don't pick on my guy, he's been great for us this season.
I love him too but he's off tonight.
Crowder can't miss those threes.
He's a way off tonight!
I love Crowder, man. Don't pick on my guy, he's been great for us this season.
I love him too but he's off tonight.
He's got 8 rebounds, so that makes up for it.
We're so done.Lot of game left. Celtics can win this.
Rozier -8 Young -7 Zeller -3 Mickey -6These guys need to do better than that. Awful.
Yup.
KG couldn't even say Ray Allen's name lol
Rozier -8 Young -7 Zeller -3 Mickey -6These guys need to do better than that. Awful.
Yup.
Rozier -8 Young -7 Zeller -3 Mickey -6These guys need to do better than that. Awful.
Yup.
Need to run the offense out of the post with that unit through either Smart or Jaylan, they both can pass...
IT getting MVP chants in LA. Wow. lol
Please, please, please - can we just sit KO? Go freaking small the rest of the game for all I care. I can't watch this guy give up any more points for us tonight.
Rozier sucks!
Why is James Young playing basketball?
KO is awful!!! His minutes need to be cut. He is an absolute liability.And who would you play in his place?
Geez, getting killed by the corpse of Jamal Crawford. :P
KO is awful!!! His minutes need to be cut. He is an absolute liability.He continues to be really bad on his off nights. And this is one of those nights.
Felton looks like he belongs in an Over-40 leagueGeez, getting killed by the corpse of Jamal Crawford. :P
Don't forget the corpse of Raymond Felton.
The officiating in ti]his league is awful!!! Wait to see if the ball goes in and, if not, blood the whistle! Ridiculous!!!Its not ridiculous. I love that they do that. No need to pile unnecessary fouls on guys. I wish college refs did the same thing.
To be honest, I'm glad for this loss.::)
KO is awful!!! His minutes need to be cut. He is an absolute liability.And who would you play in his place?
First half was enjoyable at least. Can't be too unhappy all things considered. Clippers are better, Celtics were tired and hurt. Night fellas.Im not sure the Clippers are better.
Here comes hero-ball IT ::)I mean, does it matter? We're getting our ass handed to us.
Well, it was fun while it lasted.
Clips just not missing anything and Celtics not shooting well from outside. Bad combo.
Here comes hero-ball IT ::)I mean, does it matter? We're getting our ass handed to us.
Not anymore. Down 17 with five to go.Here comes hero-ball IT ::)I mean, does it matter? We're getting our ass handed to us.
It matters because there are still lots of minutes to play and get their act together.
To be honest, I'm glad for this loss.::)
Somebody has to ask Stevens about that line up after the game, right?This ain't game seven. Sometimes you put guys out there and hope they don't implode. Let them learn through the fire.
Mike
Olynyk has really suckedtonightfor awhile.
I feel like they gave both of these two games away. Horford does not do much while he is out there, but he eats a lot of minutes up. If Kelly plays this much in the playoffs, the Celtics get bounced in the first round.Were losing by double digits, we're not giving this one away. We're getting taken the cleaners.
Somebody has to ask Stevens about that line up after the game, right?This ain't game seven. Sometimes you put guys out there and hope they don't implode. Let them learn through the fire.
Mike
what the heck happened, i stopped watching at 1/2 time for a while to work on my taxes and then come back to see we are down 17...wth?
Olynyk really sucked tonight.
So let's burn up the starters on a back to back. There's a bigger picture here.Somebody has to ask Stevens about that line up after the game, right?This ain't game seven. Sometimes you put guys out there and hope they don't implode. Let them learn through the fire.
Mike
There is NEVER going to a situation where THAT line up is going to work.
Mike
Aye carumba. This is getting out of hand quickly.
They'll probably get slaughtered by the Warriors on national TV Wednesday, and probably get owned again by Denver's bigs on Friday.
Not to mention that the Nets won tonight, and Boston's blowing a chance to gain ground on Cleveland.
This is shaping up to be a great week.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
We really missed Horford tonight.Wha t the heck happened to hordord anyway?
We really missed Horford tonight.Wha t the heck happened to hordord anyway?
We're not winning a championship this year. Love the progress of Smart and Brown so far. Been joyful to watch. Games like this make it clear that KO shouldn't be here long term. Looks like we're figuring out our future rotation for the coming years. Jerebko shouldn't be resigned either
what the heck happened, i stopped watching at 1/2 time for a while to work on my taxes and then come back to see we are down 17...wth?
Were losing by double digits, we're not giving this one away. We're getting taken the cleaners.
We're not winning a championship this year.
if you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
So let's burn up the starters on a back to back. There's a bigger picture here.Somebody has to ask Stevens about that line up after the game, right?This ain't game seven. Sometimes you put guys out there and hope they don't implode. Let them learn through the fire.
Mike
There is NEVER going to a situation where THAT line up is going to work.
Mike
I may be wrong but Im pretty sure that we are above average on second night of back to backs.So let's burn up the starters on a back to back. There's a bigger picture here.Somebody has to ask Stevens about that line up after the game, right?This ain't game seven. Sometimes you put guys out there and hope they don't implode. Let them learn through the fire.
Mike
There is NEVER going to a situation where THAT line up is going to work.
Mike
This might sound silly, but sometimes I wonder why teams play certain games. If back-to-backs are always a bad thing (and it seems they are), why bother playing them? Why can't professional athletes play effectively for two consecutive nights? If they can't do so, why does the league keep scheduling back-to-backs? Just seems silly to me, especially since it's a built-in excuse for every time Boston lays one of these eggs.
what the heck happened, i stopped watching at 1/2 time for a while to work on my taxes and then come back to see we are down 17...wth?
I think it's fair to say you blinked, and you missed a bunch? ;D
This is shaping up to be a big L, and perhaps the saddest aspect of it is that 99% of the reasoning for it (from fans, at least) will be "Horford was out," "Jaylen was out," and "second half of a back-to-back," and almost no accountability regarding the players who were there. The Clippers have had some struggles this year, DJ's bricking FTs left and right, and Crawford's like 100 years old, and still Boston can't hang with them.
Would anybody be surprised to see them beat GS and get stomped by Denver? Just so inconsistent.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
if you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Too many games like this one is why Olynyk won't be back next year.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
I may be wrong but Im pretty sure that we are above average on second night of back to backs.So let's burn up the starters on a back to back. There's a bigger picture here.Somebody has to ask Stevens about that line up after the game, right?This ain't game seven. Sometimes you put guys out there and hope they don't implode. Let them learn through the fire.
Mike
There is NEVER going to a situation where THAT line up is going to work.
Mike
This might sound silly, but sometimes I wonder why teams play certain games. If back-to-backs are always a bad thing (and it seems they are), why bother playing them? Why can't professional athletes play effectively for two consecutive nights? If they can't do so, why does the league keep scheduling back-to-backs? Just seems silly to me, especially since it's a built-in excuse for every time Boston lays one of these eggs.
We have one very good player (IT), one good player (Al), and a bunch of role players, some of which are not very good. So yeah, we've been overachieving for a while.This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
Maybe some of these guys are worse players than I think? That could certainly be true.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
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We have one very good player (IT), one good player (Al), and a bunch of role players, some of which are not very good. So yeah, we've been overachieving for a while.This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
Maybe some of these guys are worse players than I think? That could certainly be true.
Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
Besides Smart and Thomas, rest of #Celtics are 18-for-52 FG.
This Loss sits Squarely on Kelly Olynyk.
lolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
It doesn't need to be an elite talent, a.k.a. superstars. We just need solid players who can sustain production without our starters. It was a lineup of Young, Olynyk and Rozier that started to lay an pile of dung on the court and Steven's super small line up was the nail in the coffin.
Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
Meanwhile, on the west, Spurs are just few games away from taking away GSW's spot.
The development of Smart and Brown along with the Nets futility are the most important things from this season. Isaiah's emergence as a superstar probably belongs there too.Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
luckily a Toronto-Boston matchup seems unlikely at the moment .Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
Eh, it'll depend on the matchup. I think we have a pretty large edge on Washington, but I could certainly see Toronto beating us, even with homecourt advantage.
Boston surrendered 73 second-half points. 'Nuff said.Says it all
Kelly the Ogre gave all the momentum to the Clippers. Letting Speights get back to back rebounds over him
Also, one fair complaint on Ainge is are we ever going to get a rim protector? It's like we prefer soft bigs. I don't get. I really don't understand how Ainge expects us to compete with players like Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson.
Also, one fair complaint on Ainge is are we ever going to get a rim protector? It's like we prefer soft bigs. I don't get. I really don't understand how Ainge expects us to compete with players like Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson.Its a bit confusing. Smart and Crowder are basically iron men on the perimeter, but down low we have Kelly Horford and Amir.
Also, one fair complaint on Ainge is are we ever going to get a rim protector? It's like we prefer soft bigs. I don't get. I really don't understand how Ainge expects us to compete with players like Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson.Its a bit confusing. Smart and Crowder are basically iron men on the perimeter, but down low we have Kelly Horford and Amir.
Zizic and Yabu fit the bill physically, but you cant count on them to come over and be NBA players.
Ainge does need to find some toughness down low before this team really competes.
Im still down to sign Sully. Hes tough and hes strong down low.
Ya, Ainge pooped his pants by letting Toronto get Ibaka for basically nothingAlso, one fair complaint on Ainge is are we ever going to get a rim protector? It's like we prefer soft bigs. I don't get. I really don't understand how Ainge expects us to compete with players like Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson.
He just wants it to fit into Brad's usual system, or somewhere along those lines. By getting soft bigs.
lolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
Theres two things you cant fully evaluate
1. How much of a moron/negative personality is Cousins. Is he actually that toxic? I dont know. I wanted to trade for him. I think Ainge has a better evaluation of that and frankly just how low the price was makes me more confident that Cousins is really that toxic.
2. The prices for Butler/George
Prices could have easily been prohibitive for Butler and George and Cousins is the only one of those guys likely to make us favorites over Cleveland.
To say any player out there save Lebron James makes banner 18 a sure thing is to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of sports.
The 07 Patriots didnt win the superbowl, the 73-9 Warriors lost last years finals.
dont call me a ****ing moron for not having emotional overreactions.
luckily a Toronto-Boston matchup seems unlikely at the moment .Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
Eh, it'll depend on the matchup. I think we have a pretty large edge on Washington, but I could certainly see Toronto beating us, even with homecourt advantage.
I dont see us pulling into the 1 seed and I dont see Toronto getting 3rd without Lowry.
luckily a Toronto-Boston matchup seems unlikely at the moment .Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
Eh, it'll depend on the matchup. I think we have a pretty large edge on Washington, but I could certainly see Toronto beating us, even with homecourt advantage.
I dont see us pulling into the 1 seed and I dont see Toronto getting 3rd without Lowry.
Yeah, I don't see us getting the one seed either, even though Cleveland has been giving us EVERY opportunity to do so. Ultimately, it won't matter anyways. We're not beating Cleveland even with homecourt advantage. But still, I do wonder if that would give us a bit more pull with free agents, along with giving us a chance to make it a closer series with Cleveland, if we even make it that far.
But like I said, I still like our chances of a HEALTHY C's squad against Washington in the second round. We swept them for a reason last year, and we haven't been healthy at all when facing them this year. But I feel MUCH, MUCH more confident about our chances with them with homecourt advantage rather than not having homecourt advantage.
Then again, we have to get past the first found first. Chicago could make things difficult for us, but I don't anticipate serious issues with any of the other potential opponents.
luckily a Toronto-Boston matchup seems unlikely at the moment .Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
Eh, it'll depend on the matchup. I think we have a pretty large edge on Washington, but I could certainly see Toronto beating us, even with homecourt advantage.
I dont see us pulling into the 1 seed and I dont see Toronto getting 3rd without Lowry.
Yeah, I don't see us getting the one seed either, even though Cleveland has been giving us EVERY opportunity to do so. Ultimately, it won't matter anyways. We're not beating Cleveland even with homecourt advantage. But still, I do wonder if that would give us a bit more pull with free agents, along with giving us a chance to make it a closer series with Cleveland, if we even make it that far.
But like I said, I still like our chances of a HEALTHY C's squad against Washington in the second round. We swept them for a reason last year, and we haven't been healthy at all when facing them this year. But I feel MUCH, MUCH more confident about our chances with them with homecourt advantage rather than not having homecourt advantage.
Then again, we have to get past the first found first. Chicago could make things difficult for us, but I don't anticipate serious issues with any of the other potential opponents.
lolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
Theres two things you cant fully evaluate
1. How much of a moron/negative personality is Cousins. Is he actually that toxic? I dont know. I wanted to trade for him. I think Ainge has a better evaluation of that and frankly just how low the price was makes me more confident that Cousins is really that toxic.
2. The prices for Butler/George
Prices could have easily been prohibitive for Butler and George and Cousins is the only one of those guys likely to make us favorites over Cleveland.
To say any player out there save Lebron James makes banner 18 a sure thing is to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of sports.
The 07 Patriots didnt win the superbowl, the 73-9 Warriors lost last years finals.
dont call me a ****ing moron for not having emotional overreactions.
Yea, compare football to basketball. Here's where it would've been advisable for me to cut off this ridiculous back-and-fourth. How is comparing, fundamentally, two completely two different sports in an effort to bolster the empty points you're trying to make? How about we compare compare basketball to boxing? As long as the two are sports, why not?
Stop the nonsense. I didn't say a player. I mentioned 2 to 3 names. MORONS always twist situations to fit their ridiculous assertions.
Read what I said, and post your **** again. How about that?
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.by definition you claim that a championship would have been guaranteed beyond all doubt. Meaning effectively there is a 0% chance we do not win a championship. In sports, even basketball, this is never true. Thats my main objective, but Ill move past that for now.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.trading for a, b or c means trading for one of the three.
And I'm tipsy. So, please, pardon the grammatical errors, but as long as you understand what I'm trying to say, it's all good. A drunk man never tell tales.no but they say illogical things like saying a championship is "surefire"
I think we had a real opportunity at a ring this year, but you are correct. To call it a surefire banner is foolhardy.lolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
Theres two things you cant fully evaluate
1. How much of a moron/negative personality is Cousins. Is he actually that toxic? I dont know. I wanted to trade for him. I think Ainge has a better evaluation of that and frankly just how low the price was makes me more confident that Cousins is really that toxic.
2. The prices for Butler/George
Prices could have easily been prohibitive for Butler and George and Cousins is the only one of those guys likely to make us favorites over Cleveland.
To say any player out there save Lebron James makes banner 18 a sure thing is to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of sports.
The 07 Patriots didnt win the superbowl, the 73-9 Warriors lost last years finals.
dont call me a ****ing moron for not having emotional overreactions.
Yea, compare football to basketball. Here's where it would've been advisable for me to cut off this ridiculous back-and-fourth. How is comparing, fundamentally, two completely two different sports in an effort to bolster the empty points you're trying to make? How about we compare compare basketball to boxing? As long as the two are sports, why not?
Stop the nonsense. I didn't say a player. I mentioned 2 to 3 names. MORONS always twist situations to fit their ridiculous assertions.
Read what I said, and post your **** again. How about that?QuoteWe could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.by definition you claim that a championship would have been guaranteed beyond all doubt. Meaning effectively there is a 0% chance we do not win a championship. In sports, even basketball, this is never true. Thats my main objective, but Ill move past that for now.
You go on to list the conditions at which we could win a championship.QuoteUnless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.trading for a, b or c means trading for one of the three.
had you said Cousins AND Jimmy or George the debate would be slightly different.
As such, I am left to evaluate 3 players.
I dont believe that the addition Butler or George would immediately make us favorites over Cleveland. Perhaps with the Love injury it makes it a toss-up. Cousins, assuming his sanity (which is something just about every NBA GM decided not to do) probably makes us favorites over the Cavs and potentially even favorites over the Durantless Warriors. Probably a toss-up vs. the Warriors if KD is healthy (those are some very optimistic projections).
All that said, even the most green eyed Celtic homer would concede that there would still be non-trivial chance that we win a championship. Thus a ring would not be surefire.
lolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
Theres two things you cant fully evaluate
1. How much of a moron/negative personality is Cousins. Is he actually that toxic? I dont know. I wanted to trade for him. I think Ainge has a better evaluation of that and frankly just how low the price was makes me more confident that Cousins is really that toxic.
2. The prices for Butler/George
Prices could have easily been prohibitive for Butler and George and Cousins is the only one of those guys likely to make us favorites over Cleveland.
To say any player out there save Lebron James makes banner 18 a sure thing is to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of sports.
The 07 Patriots didnt win the superbowl, the 73-9 Warriors lost last years finals.
dont call me a ****ing moron for not having emotional overreactions.
Yea, compare football to basketball. Here's where it would've been advisable for me to cut off this ridiculous back-and-fourth. How is comparing, fundamentally, two completely two different sports in an effort to bolster the empty points you're trying to make? How about we compare compare basketball to boxing? As long as the two are sports, why not?
Stop the nonsense. I didn't say a player. I mentioned 2 to 3 names. MORONS always twist situations to fit their ridiculous assertions.
Read what I said, and post your **** again. How about that?QuoteWe could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.by definition you claim that a championship would have been guaranteed beyond all doubt. Meaning effectively there is a 0% chance we do not win a championship. In sports, even basketball, this is never true. Thats my main objective, but Ill move past that for now.
You go on to list the conditions at which we could win a championship.QuoteUnless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.trading for a, b or c means trading for one of the three.
had you said Cousins AND Jimmy or George the debate would be slightly different.
As such, I am left to evaluate 3 players.
I dont believe that the addition Butler or George would immediately make us favorites over Cleveland. Perhaps with the Love injury it makes it a toss-up. Cousins, assuming his sanity (which is something just about every NBA GM decided not to do) probably makes us favorites over the Cavs and potentially even favorites over the Durantless Warriors. Probably a toss-up vs. the Warriors if KD is healthy (those are some very optimistic projections).
All that said, even the most green eyed Celtic homer would concede that there would still be non-trivial chance that we win a championship. Thus a ring would not be surefire.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
It doesn't need to be an elite talent, a.k.a. superstars. We just need solid players who can sustain production without our starters. It was a lineup of Young, Olynyk and Rozier that started to lay an pile of dung on the court and Steven's super small line up was the nail in the coffin.
How about this team makes it past the first round before you say we only need better bench players to win a ring. I totally disagree. I'm not sure we can beat Toronto or the Wizards in the playoffs. The playoffs are a completely different game. It's a halfcourt game. So hold your horse man. Let's see how these guys perform in the playoffs first. I personally think we need another star while keeping the core roster intact.
And I'm tipsy. So, please, pardon the grammatical errors, but as long as you understand what I'm trying to say, it's all good. A drunk man never tell tales.no but they say illogical things like saying a championship is "surefire"
luckily a Toronto-Boston matchup seems unlikely at the moment .Smart with a 21 point night on efficient shooting, of course along with stellar defense, too. Just more and more signs of development from this kid.
EDIT: And as I say that, he makes a stellar defensive play on Griffin.
I think you've touched on what will be the ultimate takeaway from this season—the improvement of Smart and Brown—because the team is likely not going beyond the second round.
Eh, it'll depend on the matchup. I think we have a pretty large edge on Washington, but I could certainly see Toronto beating us, even with homecourt advantage.
I dont see us pulling into the 1 seed and I dont see Toronto getting 3rd without Lowry.
Yeah, I don't see us getting the one seed either, even though Cleveland has been giving us EVERY opportunity to do so. Ultimately, it won't matter anyways. We're not beating Cleveland even with homecourt advantage. But still, I do wonder if that would give us a bit more pull with free agents, along with giving us a chance to make it a closer series with Cleveland, if we even make it that far.
But like I said, I still like our chances of a HEALTHY C's squad against Washington in the second round. We swept them for a reason last year, and we haven't been healthy at all when facing them this year. But I feel MUCH, MUCH more confident about our chances with them with homecourt advantage rather than not having homecourt advantage.
Then again, we have to get past the first found first. Chicago could make things difficult for us, but I don't anticipate serious issues with any of the other potential opponents.
Horford makes a huge difference imo because it's less minutes for jerebko and Olynk. Hard to make a judgement on the team without Horford playing. I think we have the coach and players to get to the ECF too. Just not going to get too high or low from the results.
Hopefully Stevens shortens the rotation and plays Brown more instead of JJ. Seriously, that guy has the slowest release in the world. I'm also worried about Crowder. He's been bad at 3s since February
"had everything gone their way" is a really important qualifier here.And I'm tipsy. So, please, pardon the grammatical errors, but as long as you understand what I'm trying to say, it's all good. A drunk man never tell tales.no but they say illogical things like saying a championship is "surefire"
Like making a surefire prediction that the Warriors are the favorites to win the championship had everything gone their way?
lol you are a mess rnlolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
Theres two things you cant fully evaluate
1. How much of a moron/negative personality is Cousins. Is he actually that toxic? I dont know. I wanted to trade for him. I think Ainge has a better evaluation of that and frankly just how low the price was makes me more confident that Cousins is really that toxic.
2. The prices for Butler/George
Prices could have easily been prohibitive for Butler and George and Cousins is the only one of those guys likely to make us favorites over Cleveland.
To say any player out there save Lebron James makes banner 18 a sure thing is to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of sports.
The 07 Patriots didnt win the superbowl, the 73-9 Warriors lost last years finals.
dont call me a ****ing moron for not having emotional overreactions.
Yea, compare football to basketball. Here's where it would've been advisable for me to cut off this ridiculous back-and-fourth. How is comparing, fundamentally, two completely two different sports in an effort to bolster the empty points you're trying to make? How about we compare compare basketball to boxing? As long as the two are sports, why not?
Stop the nonsense. I didn't say a player. I mentioned 2 to 3 names. MORONS always twist situations to fit their ridiculous assertions.
Read what I said, and post your **** again. How about that?QuoteWe could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.by definition you claim that a championship would have been guaranteed beyond all doubt. Meaning effectively there is a 0% chance we do not win a championship. In sports, even basketball, this is never true. Thats my main objective, but Ill move past that for now.
You go on to list the conditions at which we could win a championship.QuoteUnless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.trading for a, b or c means trading for one of the three.
had you said Cousins AND Jimmy or George the debate would be slightly different.
As such, I am left to evaluate 3 players.
I dont believe that the addition Butler or George would immediately make us favorites over Cleveland. Perhaps with the Love injury it makes it a toss-up. Cousins, assuming his sanity (which is something just about every NBA GM decided not to do) probably makes us favorites over the Cavs and potentially even favorites over the Durantless Warriors. Probably a toss-up vs. the Warriors if KD is healthy (those are some very optimistic projections).
All that said, even the most green eyed Celtic homer would concede that there would still be non-trivial chance that we win a championship. Thus a ring would not be surefire.
Are you this stupid? Don't try and be technical when I'm too impaired for it even though I know that you know what I"m talking about. I wouldn't have put in parenthesis "whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks" if I only meant one player. I would've just named Cousins and that would've been it. I put that sentence in parenthesis with the knowledge that we would still be the highest bidder for either George or Butler or both had we traded for Cousins, whose trade alone would've made us competitive and on par with the Cavs.
Cut the BS. I'm not here to argue semantics. I said what I said and what I said is what I said. Don't try twisting my words.
This team is annoying to watch. I don't feel like they have maximized the talent this year.
They have been maximizing talent/over achieving ever since hiring Stevens. We are expecting them to keep building on that, but this team doesn't have enough talent to contend no matter how good the coaching is. I like this team and its direction, maximizing talent isn't the issue. Elite talent is.
It doesn't need to be an elite talent, a.k.a. superstars. We just need solid players who can sustain production without our starters. It was a lineup of Young, Olynyk and Rozier that started to lay an pile of dung on the court and Steven's super small line up was the nail in the coffin.
How about this team makes it past the first round before you say we only need better bench players to win a ring. I totally disagree. I'm not sure we can beat Toronto or the Wizards in the playoffs. The playoffs are a completely different game. It's a halfcourt game. So hold your horse man. Let's see how these guys perform in the playoffs first. I personally think we need another star while keeping the core roster intact.
Did 2004 Pistons have MVP calibre players? How about the 2014 Spurs? Duncan is far from his former MVP caliber self and Kawhi was just starting to tap the potential within him that year, just close but not quite the superstar yet. 2002 Kings who was arguably the real champs didn't have superstars either. I'd say that if we manage to make it far in this year's playoffs, depth will be a huge factor for this team. If you mean All-Star calibre player, we can just produce them as signing or trading one in the market will be expensive.
But yes, I agree that we should look first how this current team will go to determine who's to stay and who's to go.
lol you are a mess rnlolif you think banner 18 was sure fire you are stupid.We're not winning a championship this year.
We could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.
But no...Danny's apologist never fails. The puppets who, forever, marginalize their inteligence for some know-it-all GM. It's funny how the same critics forever question the worst GMs in the league but their own.
Smh. Danny screwed up big time. I never backed away from that and I'm glad few smart people around here agrees.
Yea, draft Balls or Fultz (however tha **** his name is spelled), then what? What happens to IT and all others guys whose contracts are due?
Reality is going to kick in soon enough for these people around here, if it hasn't already. 1st round bounce. 2nd at best.
Unless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.
****ing moron.
Theres two things you cant fully evaluate
1. How much of a moron/negative personality is Cousins. Is he actually that toxic? I dont know. I wanted to trade for him. I think Ainge has a better evaluation of that and frankly just how low the price was makes me more confident that Cousins is really that toxic.
2. The prices for Butler/George
Prices could have easily been prohibitive for Butler and George and Cousins is the only one of those guys likely to make us favorites over Cleveland.
To say any player out there save Lebron James makes banner 18 a sure thing is to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of sports.
The 07 Patriots didnt win the superbowl, the 73-9 Warriors lost last years finals.
dont call me a ****ing moron for not having emotional overreactions.
Yea, compare football to basketball. Here's where it would've been advisable for me to cut off this ridiculous back-and-fourth. How is comparing, fundamentally, two completely two different sports in an effort to bolster the empty points you're trying to make? How about we compare compare basketball to boxing? As long as the two are sports, why not?
Stop the nonsense. I didn't say a player. I mentioned 2 to 3 names. MORONS always twist situations to fit their ridiculous assertions.
Read what I said, and post your **** again. How about that?QuoteWe could've won one. I said that with no shred of doubt. With all the misfortunes that Cleveland and the Warriors are faced with, Banner 18 would've been sure fire.by definition you claim that a championship would have been guaranteed beyond all doubt. Meaning effectively there is a 0% chance we do not win a championship. In sports, even basketball, this is never true. Thats my main objective, but Ill move past that for now.
You go on to list the conditions at which we could win a championship.QuoteUnless you are too ****ing dumb to think that trading for Cousins (whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks), Jimmy or George wouldn't topple depleted Cavs or Warriors.trading for a, b or c means trading for one of the three.
had you said Cousins AND Jimmy or George the debate would be slightly different.
As such, I am left to evaluate 3 players.
I dont believe that the addition Butler or George would immediately make us favorites over Cleveland. Perhaps with the Love injury it makes it a toss-up. Cousins, assuming his sanity (which is something just about every NBA GM decided not to do) probably makes us favorites over the Cavs and potentially even favorites over the Durantless Warriors. Probably a toss-up vs. the Warriors if KD is healthy (those are some very optimistic projections).
All that said, even the most green eyed Celtic homer would concede that there would still be non-trivial chance that we win a championship. Thus a ring would not be surefire.
Are you this stupid? Don't try and be technical when I'm too impaired for it even though I know that you know what I"m talking about. I wouldn't have put in parenthesis "whom we would've gotten without having to give up any major picks" if I only meant one player. I would've just named Cousins and that would've been it. I put that sentence in parenthesis with the knowledge that we would still be the highest bidder for either George or Butler or both had we traded for Cousins, whose trade alone would've made us competitive and on par with the Cavs.
Cut the BS. I'm not here to argue semantics. I said what I said and what I said is what I said. Don't try twisting my words.
I think on paper than LAC are more talented than us and they showed it last night. They are just in the West they would probably be a top three team and in the East and push us down the Totem pole.
We did not have Horford and JJ and we were thin in the front court. As a poster stated yesterday reactions to wins and losses are pretty severe here. Let the knee jerk reactions begin!