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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Phantom255x on March 04, 2017, 07:33:38 PM
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Apologies in advance if there is already a thread like this on here. But I couldn't find one.
In the month of February, Blake averaged 26.2 PPG, 8.6 RPG, 6.2 ASG on 51% shooting, and he shot 80% from the FT line.
At this point, it's best to hope he does well but the Clippers lose more often than not, and then hopefully have a first round exit to hope he entertains the idea of leaving in FA. Then enter Ainge and Boston knocking on his door.
CP3 "verbally committing" to LAC already doesn't help us in that regard, but hey maybe things change in the next 2-3 months.
And to start, tonight the Clippers play against the Bulls at 8:30 on ABC. We'll see how Griffin does in that game.
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If we sign Blake Griffin I will become delirious with joy.
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If we sign Blake Griffin I will become delirious with joy.
Same. Griffin + Fultz/Ball/Jackson? Sign me up!
Wonder where we get some depth for our front court though.
That would be Blake, Horford, Zizic, then who?
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In 18 minutes, Griffin has 8 points, 4 assists, and 2 rebounds.
One thing I'm noticing is that with DeAndre Jordan out there, he clogs up the paint and Griffin can't do much. Not the ideal system for Blake at LAC.
Put him here in Boston with this system and oh boy.
The passing, the cuts to the hoop, all the pick and rolls, and rebounding.
Hopefully CBS can get him some plays and get him to work on posting up more. He's an underrated mid range shooter.
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In 18 minutes, Griffin has 8 points and 4 rebounds.
One thing I'm noticing is that with DeAndre Jordan out there, he clogs up the paint and Griffin can't do much.
Put him here in Boston with this system and oh boy.
The passing, the cuts to the hoop, all the pick and rolls, and rebounding.
Hopefully CBS can get him some plays and get him to work on posting up more. He's an underrated mid range shooter
I wish he still had his 23 yr old knees and could play with the C's... It would be freaking nuts.
It'd basically be the NBA dunk contest with a help defender every now and then getting posterized.
Which btw would be kinda fun. A Posterization style dunk contest. The top 20 rim protectors in the NBA have to wear uniforms and the dunkers get to call them out and specify their dunk parameters.
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In 18 minutes, Griffin has 8 points and 4 rebounds.
One thing I'm noticing is that with DeAndre Jordan out there, he clogs up the paint and Griffin can't do much.
Put him here in Boston with this system and oh boy.
The passing, the cuts to the hoop, all the pick and rolls, and rebounding.
Hopefully CBS can get him some plays and get him to work on posting up more. He's an underrated mid range shooter
I wish he still had his 23 yr old knees and could play with the C's... It would be freaking nuts.
It'd basically be the NBA dunk contest with a help defender every now and then getting posterized.
Which btw would be kinda fun. A Posterization style dunk contest. The top 20 rim protectors in the NBA have to wear uniforms and the dunkers get to call them out and specify their dunk parameters.
Yep it's disappointing really. The injury really took the "spice" out of his game (meaning the long hops, the ferocious dunks).
If he stays healthy though he's still a star.
For this team though I would love his dunking and rebounding. Also with the ability to stretch the floor, switch and run pick and rolls with night in and night out. A versatile 4/5.
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If we sign Blake Griffin I will become delirious with joy.
Same. Griffin + Fultz/Ball/Jackson? Sign me up!
Wonder where we get some depth for our front court though.
That would be Blake, Horford, Zizic, then who?
I think Kelly Olynyk's cap hold gets in the way of max cap space, but that's with the assumption Zizic, Yabu, and Nader are on the roster next year. Although I've read somewhere that all 3 could be left off the roster for another year if a letter is written to the league. If so maybe Kelly's cap hold won't get in the way, and we could re-sign him after Blake. I'm not really sure though.
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If we sign Blake Griffin I will become delirious with joy.
Same. Griffin + Fultz/Ball/Jackson? Sign me up!
Wonder where we get some depth for our front court though.
That would be Blake, Horford, Zizic, then who?
I think Kelly Olynyk's cap hold gets in the way of max cap space, but that's with the assumption Zizic, Yabu, and Nader are on the roster next year. Although I've read somewhere that all 3 could be left off the roster for another year if a letter is written to the league. If so maybe Kelly's cap hold won't get in the way, and we could re-sign him after Blake. I'm not really sure though.
Kelly gets in the way, period. Nader doesn't have a cap hold. Depending what pick we'd get from Brooklyn we'd need to have one or both of Yab and Zizic stay overseas in addition to letting Olynyk walk to have room for Griffin, or make another trade instead. But Kelly going is the most likely if we get Blake.
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Blake seems like such a Stevens system guy too, I think Hayward isn't much of an upgrade over Crowder given he'll demand a max deal, so IMO Griffin is the best available free agent this offseason.
Horford/FA/Zizic
Griffin/Olynyk/Mickey
Crowder/Jackson/Green
Bradley/Brown/FA
Thomas/Smart/Rozier
D-League: Yabusele, 2017 2nd round pick
Great team capable of competing for a title
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I don't see Griffin as a viable option. He'll be back in LA if they want him and Doc will keep running that same team back until the wheels finally explode.
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I think it's entirely possible that Blake makes a move East this summer if the Clips fail to make it past the second round again.
I'd be concerned about giving him a long term max deal though. Really not sure how many full seasons and playoffs you'd get out of him.
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I think it's entirely possible that Blake makes a move East this summer if the Clips fail to make it past the second round again.
I'd be concerned about giving him a long term max deal though. Really not sure how many full seasons and playoffs you'd get out of him.
I think you'd also want to have fairly lengthy conversations about how he would see his role.
Those rebounding numbers are not elite (and have never been by the way...)
I guess you do it if Blake is keen and willing. Seems like any FAs who choose Boston are there primarily for basketball reasons..
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I don't see Griffin as a viable option. He'll be back in LA if they want him and Doc will keep running that same team back until the wheels finally explode.
That's the prevailing notion, but while it's likely that's the case, I didn't imagine Horford would leave and neither would KD (at least for this season). But they did, and part of it was due to the playoff series each player went through, and the new situations they entered.
Obviously I'm not guaranteeing he leaves and comes here, but I would still assume it's a possibility, even if a small one.
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I think it's entirely possible that Blake makes a move East this summer if the Clips fail to make it past the second round again.
I'd be concerned about giving him a long term max deal though. Really not sure how many full seasons and playoffs you'd get out of him.
I think you'd also want to have fairly lengthy conversations about how he would see his role.
Those rebounding numbers are not elite (and have never been by the way...)
I guess you do it if Blake is keen and willing. Seems like any FAs who choose Boston are there primarily for basketball reasons..
He's obviously no Drummond or D. Jordan type rebounder, but he's still someone who could get 10-11 rebounds a game, and here in Boston he would get just that. Easily would be our best rebounder on the team.
Also, with him and Horford being able to switch well and run the PnR very well, he definitely fits the system.
But yeah, like all FA's, there are some risks involved, which includes injury history.
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Last meeting on Super Bowl Sunday, we impressed Blake but Blake didn't impress us.
Lets see what happens tonight.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
Yeah Griffin is a better fit, but if I was GM, I would only sign him if I couldn't get another max guy. I don't think he will stay healthy. His situation reminds me of Amare transitioning to the Knicks
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
Yeah Griffin is a better fit, but if I was GM, I would only sign him if I couldn't get another max guy. I don't think he will stay healthy. His situation reminds me of Amare transitioning to the Knicks
Blake is younger and would have a shorter deal.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
Yeah Griffin is a better fit, but if I was GM, I would only sign him if I couldn't get another max guy. I don't think he will stay healthy. His situation reminds me of Amare transitioning to the Knicks
Blake is younger and would have a shorter deal.
Yeah I understand that, but his knees are about to give out imo. We'll see what Ainge does. If we sign him then it's not an issue because Ainge is smart with that stuff.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
Yeah Griffin is a better fit, but if I was GM, I would only sign him if I couldn't get another max guy. I don't think he will stay healthy. His situation reminds me of Amare transitioning to the Knicks
Blake is younger and would have a shorter deal.
Yeah I understand that, but his knees are about to give out imo. We'll see what Ainge does. If we sign him then it's not an issue because Ainge is smart with that stuff.
That whole Pomeranz situation really bugged me last year.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
Yeah Griffin is a better fit, but if I was GM, I would only sign him if I couldn't get another max guy. I don't think he will stay healthy. His situation reminds me of Amare transitioning to the Knicks
Blake is younger and would have a shorter deal.
Yeah I understand that, but his knees are about to give out imo. We'll see what Ainge does. If we sign him then it's not an issue because Ainge is smart with that stuff.
That whole Pomeranz situation really bugged me last year.
Pomeranz of the Red Sox?
Yeah and the fact that we gave up a top prospect (#14 in all of baseball) for him bugs me even more. Complete overpay..
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Griffin had 23 points and 8 rebounds last night.
Looked dominant against an undersized Cleveland team last night.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
I would honestly be perfectly fine with either Hayward or Griffin.
Thing is Griffin fills a bit of a bigger need and overall helps this front court more.
To get a max signing, we lose Amir/KO/Jerebko/Zeller, as well as Mickey. They may not be elite level but that's a great chunk of our depth at 4/5 positions.
Yeah Griffin is a better fit, but if I was GM, I would only sign him if I couldn't get another max guy. I don't think he will stay healthy. His situation reminds me of Amare transitioning to the Knicks
Blake is younger and would have a shorter deal.
He's 2 years older than Hayward which is why Hayward makes more sense for a max deal. He'd only be 30 at the end of a 4 year deal.
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Griffin had 23 points and 8 rebounds last night.
Looked dominant against an undersized Cleveland team last night.
Undersized and no chemistry without the big 3. That game was an exhibition and we probably shouldn't read into it any more than that.
I'm definitely pro Griffin though. Think he's a better fit with Isaiah than CP3 to be honest since Isaiah doesn't pound the rock as much as Paul and could benefit off ball from Griffin's playmaking. Jordan's also a bit of a weird fit since even though he cover's up Griffin's defensive shortcomings he also clogs up all the area around the basket on offense. If Horford's matched up with a shot blocker Al's shooting would pull him out of the paint freeing Blake to operate around the rim.
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Blake Griffin averaging 24/6/4 his last 10 games.
You have to think if another second round exit (or even first round exit) would make him think hard about leaving LAC.
That team just looks so "middle of the pack" despite all the talent they have.
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I disagree with Stephen A. Smith on a lot of things LOL.
But I'm starting to think he's dead on right about Blake Griffin.
He's a star, but certainly no superstar, and he seems to disappear in the big moments of playoff games.
He had 26 points and 7 rebounds last night, BUT seemed to disappear completely near the end when the Clips needed him most, and was fairly lousy on defense.
And that's been the case for years now.
Yes, others on the team should step up too (like Jordan), but the way the Clips are, CP3 needs to essentially take over every single game to win it seems (in close contests).
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So do we still want to take the risk with Blake on a 4-year max, given his injury history and what not? Seems really risky.
Of course that's assuming he even tests the waters. (Could easily just stay put)
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Potential franchise-crippling gamble. Would set us back 5 years, at least,
ifwhen he gets injured.
Say no to Blake. Love his game and his fit with Stevens' system and him as a player/person, but the difference in talent/fit compared to Hayward/Millsap is not worth the injury risk inevitability.
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At this point wouldn't we rather have Hayward?
At this point I'm not sure I'd sign either of them. We have to give up a lot to get either. We massively constrain ourselves in the future as well.
I'd be leaning towards renegotiating Isaiah's contract and then looking at a trade for Paul George. Then re-sign KO. All should be doable under the cap and we come into next year strong.
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There are a couple of things to consider about Griffin:
1. His injuries. This almost goes without saying but any team that gives him the max is taking a massive gamble. Griffin has played 66% of his teams games the past 3 years. So when you're giving him the max the payment per game is well above the max. It's a lot easier to swallow missed games when we're giving someone like Avery Bradley $8m a year rather than $30m a year. If Griffin blows another knee, that's a killer to the cap and any hopes of a title.
2. While he's a massive upgrade, he may not be what the Cs need. Horford would rather play PF than C and neither guy is a real banger inside. While I am sure Brad can make it work I'm not it's the best fit for the team.
In Danny I Trust so if they decide to make a play for him in FA I won't be crying. But if they don't I understand why.
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I agree.
As much as I like Griffin's game when healthy, he's just not healthy enough to warrant a major investment.
Seems like a better move to me to just go acquire a rebounder to put alongside Super Al.
And, of course, another scorer.
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I agree.
As much as I like Griffin's game when healthy, he's just not healthy enough to warrant a major investment.
Seems like a better move to me to just go acquire a rebounder to put alongside Super Al.
And, of course, another scorer.
I'm not sure we have enough cap space to add both a scorer and a rebounder. Can you pick one from each list that you would rather have than Blake?
Personally, I'd rather have the upside of Blake than two of the guys listed below.
Here are some of the best rebounders available.
1. Monroe
2. Aron Baynes
3. Mason Plumlee
4. Zach Randolph
5. Taj Gibson
6. JaMychal Green
7. Andrew Bogut
8. Alex Len
9. Alan Williams
10. Tiago Splitter
Scorers
1. Gallinari
2. Reddick
3. Gay
4. Waiters
5. Patty Mills
6. Korver
7. Hardaway
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Langston Galloway
10. Nick Young.
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I wouldn't sleep on us getting Zach Randolph on a manageable deal. Also, his three point shooting and shot selection will make Marcus Smart look a lot better 8).
Also, I hope this list is in "no particular order", because Randolph is certainly better than Monroe and Plumlee in the rebounding department.
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The problem with "Blake isn't worth the max" is that if we don't use the money this summer we lose it. In the context where the options are essentially Hayward, Griffin, Milsap, Favors, Gallinari, Ibaka, or nobody, I am all in on Blake as second choice.
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I wouldn't sleep on us getting Zach Randolph on a manageable deal. Also, his three point shooting and shot selection will make Marcus Smart look a lot better 8).
Also, I hope this list is in "no particular order", because Randolph is certainly better than Monroe and Plumlee in the rebounding department.
It's in no particular order. I tried to keep players off the list that would be too expensive for us to get one from each list but Gallo, Waiters and a couple others might be too expensive for that.
The point of the list was to show how I'd rather have Blake, Hayward or Millsap than two guys from the list.
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The problem with "Blake isn't worth the max" is that if we don't use the money this summer we lose it. In the context where the options are essentially Hayward, Griffin, Milsap, Favors, Gallinari, Ibaka, or nobody, I am all in on Blake as second choice.
I have some reservations about Griffin's health but when he's on the court he'd provide a serious upgrade in our front court. of the list you mentioned, I think Hayward and Favors are unlikely to move from Utah. Milsap would be a nice addition but he's getting up there in age. Gallinari has his own health issues and his D has been suspect. Ibaka's another age concern as well as a declining game.
everyone other than the Utah duo is a possible signing but comes with an issue that cannot be overlooked.
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I agree.
As much as I like Griffin's game when healthy, he's just not healthy enough to warrant a major investment.
Seems like a better move to me to just go acquire a rebounder to put alongside Super Al.
And, of course, another scorer.
I'm not sure we have enough cap space to add both a scorer and a rebounder. Can you pick one from each list that you would rather have than Blake?
Personally, I'd rather have the upside of Blake than two of the guys listed below.
Here are some of the best rebounders available.
1. Monroe
2. Aron Baynes
3. Mason Plumlee
4. Zach Randolph
5. Taj Gibson
6. JaMychal Green
7. Andrew Bogut
8. Alex Len
9. Alan Williams
10. Tiago Splitter
Scorers
1. Gallinari
2. Reddick
3. Gay
4. Waiters
5. Patty Mills
6. Korver
7. Hardaway
8. Tyreke Evans
9. Langston Galloway
10. Nick Young.
I'm not locked in to bringing the entire crew back, and Ainge shouldn't be either.
I would listen to trade offers on several people.
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Any chance Blake would be interested in a one-year "make good" deal? His reputation for getting injured surely has to be impacting his ability for a solid long-term deal, no?
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Any chance Blake would be interested in a one-year "make good" deal? His reputation for getting injured surely has to be impacting his ability for a solid long-term deal, no?
Blake Griffin has this on the table already. It's called "not opting out of my Clippers contract".
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I have no idea if it is possible, but I would much rather have both Greg Monroe and Rudy Gay than either Hayward or Griffin.
We are really small and getting two high end role players at the 3-5 could be the answer.
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Any chance Blake would be interested in a one-year "make good" deal? His reputation for getting injured surely has to be impacting his ability for a solid long-term deal, no?
Blake Griffin has this on the table already. It's called "not opting out of my Clippers contract".
Thank you. TP. Wasn't on top of his situation - didn't realize he had a player option.
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https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/859922127842967552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Flos-angeles-clippers
Some interesting comments from Doc here. He was noncommittal on if bringing back both Paul and Griffin would be ideal. I wonder if Ballmer has grown a bit skeptical of maxing both of them out after yet another failure in the postseason.
Either way, both Paul and Griffin are still going to meet with other teams this summer, so I would imagine that we'll have our chance to "woo" Griffin no matter what.
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I have no idea if it is possible, but I would much rather have both Greg Monroe and Rudy Gay than either Hayward or Griffin.
We are really small and getting two high end role players at the 3-5 could be the answer.
Really? Explain why. I would love to hear your thoughts, also TP for being a new member, welcome, welcome! I mean Griffin, I can understand due to injury concerns, but why Gay?
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https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/859922127842967552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Flos-angeles-clippers
Some interesting comments from Doc here. He was noncommittal on if bringing back both Paul and Griffin would be ideal. I wonder if Ballmer has grown a bit skeptical of maxing both of them out after yet another failure in the postseason.
Either way, both Paul and Griffin are still going to meet with other teams this summer, so I would imagine that we'll have our chance to "woo" Griffin no matter what.
A little strange, because Doc also mentioned that "breaking it up is not the way to go".
Okay, but even if they move on from those two, who exactly are they getting?
Not like they have Nets Picks or any other valuable trade assets...
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I have no idea if it is possible, but I would much rather have both Greg Monroe and Rudy Gay than either Hayward or Griffin.
We are really small and getting two high end role players at the 3-5 could be the answer.
Really? Explain why. I would love to hear your thoughts, also TP for being a new member, welcome, welcome! I mean Griffin, I can understand due to injury concerns, but why Gay?
Well, I subscribe to the school of thought that we need a mix of players at different points in their careers to get a sustained winning team. We are going to lose depth at the 4 and 5 this offseason either through our older players getting worn down or free agency or retirement. We are going to need to address that somehow. This draft doesn't seem to have a center or power forward worth taking in the top 4, so trades and free agency are the options. Monroe isn't as good as Hayward or Griffin, but he rebounds and passes well and is likely a good system fit.
Rudy Gay is a good player who already got overpaid once. He can play either forward position. He got traded a few times for his contract mainly. He is likely to have a chip on his shoulder from that and everyone calling him overpaid. To me that sounds like someone who could be a good fit.
Trying to get good vets now and stars from our draft picks isn't the worst idea. The veterans pass on knowledge and the new guys get better than they would have otherwise. In the meantime something like
Thomas
Bradley
Gay
Horford
Monroe
with a bench mob of
Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Brown, BKL '17, Olynyk, Zizic, Yabusele, Jackson, Nader (you probably can't keep Olynyk without a trade, so the bench is probably wishful thinking)
would have an outside shot and be fun to watch while still being in compete soon mode.
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I have no idea if it is possible, but I would much rather have both Greg Monroe and Rudy Gay than either Hayward or Griffin.
We are really small and getting two high end role players at the 3-5 could be the answer.
Really? Explain why. I would love to hear your thoughts, also TP for being a new member, welcome, welcome! I mean Griffin, I can understand due to injury concerns, but why Gay?
Well, I subscribe to the school of thought that we need a mix of players at different points in their careers to get a sustained winning team. We are going to lose depth at the 4 and 5 this offseason either through our older players getting worn down or free agency or retirement. We are going to need to address that somehow. This draft doesn't seem to have a center or power forward worth taking in the top 4, so trades and free agency are the options. Monroe isn't as good as Hayward or Griffin, but he rebounds and passes well and is likely a good system fit.
Rudy Gay is a good player who already got overpaid once. He can play either forward position. He got traded a few times for his contract mainly. He is likely to have a chip on his shoulder from that and everyone calling him overpaid. To me that sounds like someone who could be a good fit.
Trying to get good vets now and stars from our draft picks isn't the worst idea. The veterans pass on knowledge and the new guys get better than they would have otherwise. In the meantime something like
Thomas
Bradley
Gay
Horford
Monroe
with a bench mob of
Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Brown, BKL '17, Olynyk, Zizic, Yabusele, Jackson, Nader (you probably can't keep Olynyk without a trade, so the bench is probably wishful thinking)
would have an outside shot and be fun to watch while still being in compete soon mode.
You need stars to win in this league, that's just a fact. You can win with "depth" in the regular season but you need stars in the postseason.
Also, Rudy Gay is coming off of a torn Achilles. I think any team that signs him next will have to expect him to be a shell of his former self in year 1.
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You need stars to win in this league, that's just a fact. You can win with "depth" in the regular season but you need stars in the postseason.
Also, Rudy Gay is coming off of a torn Achilles. I think any team that signs him next will have to expect him to be a shell of his former self in year 1.
Didn't know about the torn Achilles, that isn't good.
I figure the easiest way to get stars is the Brooklyn picks. We do need stars, but the new CBA combined with the new lower cap estimate is messing up our cap space, so it requires either relying on a lot of rookies or making fair trades for them or to clear cap space to get them from free agency.
Draft and develop requires both luck and skill to work out, but it might be our best option.
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Going to bump this up.
I'm surprised at the complete lack of Griffin rumors the past month (before today's "small rumor").
Like we've even heard some Hayward news with him being tied to Utah (obviously), Boston, Spurs and Heat.
But I've yet to see a single Griffin rumor LOL. Not even many tweets about him.
Made me think he's 110% staying BUT who knows?
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CP3 will meet with Denver and Houston, and I'm sure San Antonio will be involved too (even if just to "sniff out" the interest and see if there's any chance it works).
Griffin's entire FA could come down to CP3's decision.
Something to monitor.
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CP3 will meet with Denver and Houston, and I'm sure San Antonio will be involved too (even if just to "sniff out" the interest and see if there's any chance it works).
Griffin's entire FA could come down to CP3's decision.
Something to monitor.
I think it will for sure.
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CP3 will meet with Denver and Houston, and I'm sure San Antonio will be involved too (even if just to "sniff out" the interest and see if there's any chance it works).
Griffin's entire FA could come down to CP3's decision.
Something to monitor.
I think it will for sure.
I don't think that's the sole determination, though. I could still see him leaving if Paul resigns, but it's hard seeing him stay if Paul leaves.
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CP3 will meet with Denver and Houston, and I'm sure San Antonio will be involved too (even if just to "sniff out" the interest and see if there's any chance it works).
Griffin's entire FA could come down to CP3's decision.
Something to monitor.
I think it will for sure.
I don't think that's the sole determination, though. I could still see him leaving if Paul resigns, but it's hard seeing him stay if Paul leaves.
It depends. I mean if CP3 stays and Clippers offer him the 5-year max (which would be stupid, honestly), he's DEFINITELY staying. If they try to lowball him, maybe he does reconsider.
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Apparently, Isaiah Thomas just followed Blake Griffin about 15 minutes ago... :o (Instagram)
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Apparently, Isaiah Thomas just followed Blake Griffin about 15 minutes ago... :o (Instagram)
lol he followed Hayward the other day
Dannys plan has been uncovered
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/06/21/isaiah-thomas-is-once-again-inciting-nba-free-agency-rumors-on-social-media
On the eve of the 2017 NBA Draft with Celtics trade rumors swirling, Isaiah Thomas is adding fuel to the fire with his latest activity on social media.
According to a tweet by ESPN’s Chris Forsberg, Thomas has followed Clippers power forward Blake Griffin on Instagram. The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski recently identified Griffin as one of two “primary free-agent targets” for the Celtics.
The other player named by Wojnarowski was Gordon Hayward — who Thomas followed, and then unfollowed, on Instagram earlier in June.
Griffin ultimately followed Thomas back a few hours later on Wednesday.
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(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/cute-its-happening-gif-123.gif)
P.S. - I know this doesn't mean anything, but a girl can dream!
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/06/21/isaiah-thomas-is-once-again-inciting-nba-free-agency-rumors-on-social-media
On the eve of the 2017 NBA Draft with Celtics trade rumors swirling, Isaiah Thomas is adding fuel to the fire with his latest activity on social media.
According to a tweet by ESPN’s Chris Forsberg, Thomas has followed Clippers power forward Blake Griffin on Instagram. The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski recently identified Griffin as one of two “primary free-agent targets” for the Celtics.
The other player named by Wojnarowski was Gordon Hayward — who Thomas followed, and then unfollowed, on Instagram earlier in June.
Griffin ultimately followed Thomas back a few hours later on Wednesday.
(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/this-is-super-excitement-gif-1654.gif)
(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/cute-its-happening-gif-123.gif)
P.S. - I know this doesn't mean anything, but a girl can dream!
Wait what? He unfollowed Hayward... :o
What about Horford? Is he still following Hayward? Did he follow Griffin?
Excuse me while I fake a panic attack in class to excuse myself and investigate this matter more :laugh:
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IT just followed Porzingis and unfollowed Crowder, #BKN17 and #LAL18!
Wait, how does this Twitter thing work?
All, relax, IT is taking pleasure in screwing around with us.
Mike
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IT just followed Porzingis and unfollowed Crowder, #BKN17 and #LAL18!
Wait, how does this Twitter thing work?
All, relax, IT is taking pleasure in screwing around with us.
Mike
Im ignorant on twitter and instagram. How do you know if a person unfollowed or followed someone?
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I swear IT is just trolling people ;D
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/06/21/isaiah-thomas-is-once-again-inciting-nba-free-agency-rumors-on-social-media
On the eve of the 2017 NBA Draft with Celtics trade rumors swirling, Isaiah Thomas is adding fuel to the fire with his latest activity on social media.
According to a tweet by ESPN’s Chris Forsberg, Thomas has followed Clippers power forward Blake Griffin on Instagram. The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski recently identified Griffin as one of two “primary free-agent targets” for the Celtics.
The other player named by Wojnarowski was Gordon Hayward — who Thomas followed, and then unfollowed, on Instagram earlier in June.
Griffin ultimately followed Thomas back a few hours later on Wednesday.
(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/this-is-super-excitement-gif-1654.gif)
(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/cute-its-happening-gif-123.gif)
P.S. - I know this doesn't mean anything, but a girl can dream!
nothing is official until IT posts google eyed emoticons, remember? ;)
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/06/21/isaiah-thomas-is-once-again-inciting-nba-free-agency-rumors-on-social-media
On the eve of the 2017 NBA Draft with Celtics trade rumors swirling, Isaiah Thomas is adding fuel to the fire with his latest activity on social media.
According to a tweet by ESPN’s Chris Forsberg, Thomas has followed Clippers power forward Blake Griffin on Instagram. The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski recently identified Griffin as one of two “primary free-agent targets” for the Celtics.
The other player named by Wojnarowski was Gordon Hayward — who Thomas followed, and then unfollowed, on Instagram earlier in June.
Griffin ultimately followed Thomas back a few hours later on Wednesday.
(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/this-is-super-excitement-gif-1654.gif)
(http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/cute-its-happening-gif-123.gif)
P.S. - I know this doesn't mean anything, but a girl can dream!
Wait you're a woman?
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IT just followed Porzingis and unfollowed Crowder, #BKN17 and #LAL18!
Wait, how does this Twitter thing work?
All, relax, IT is taking pleasure in screwing around with us.
Mike
Im ignorant on twitter and instagram. How do you know if a person unfollowed or followed someone?
Couldn't even begin to tell you. I just figured we're at the point where things are so messed up that I can just make up whatever I please and it's plausible.
Mike
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Gordon Hayward is the better player slightly...But if Griffin's medical report comes up clean and the doctors say he should be good I would sign him over Hayward.
Especially if we add Tatum to Crowder and Brown.
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IT just followed Porzingis and unfollowed Crowder, #BKN17 and #LAL18!
Wait, how does this Twitter thing work?
All, relax, IT is taking pleasure in screwing around with us.
Mike
Im ignorant on twitter and instagram. How do you know if a person unfollowed or followed someone?
Couldn't even begin to tell you. I just figured we're at the point where things are so messed up that I can just make up whatever I please and it's plausible.
Mike
that would seem to fit with the general flow of conversations and posts right now. i can work with this.
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Wait you're a woman?
Why, would you think less of me if I was?! Does your sexist, androcentric unconscious mind believe male is the "normal" gender and just assume everyone is male?!
:P
Naw, just kidding. I'm a bearded, slightly overweight mid-20's male who spends too much time on a basketball blog.
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Gordon Hayward is the better player slightly...But if Griffin's medical report comes up clean and the doctors say he should be good I would sign him over Hayward.
Especially if we add Tatum to Crowder and Brown.
Have to disagree with this assessment. I think Griffin is quite a bit better than Hayward, but his injury history brings him about to the same overall value as Hayward.
I'd still try for Griffin over Hayward, especially if you could get Butler or George on the cheap, as has been reported. On the other hand, I'd rather have a combo of Porzingis and Hayward than any other trade/free agent combo that's semi-realistic at the moment.
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Gordon Hayward is the better player slightly...But if Griffin's medical report comes up clean and the doctors say he should be good I would sign him over Hayward.
Especially if we add Tatum to Crowder and Brown.
Have to disagree with this assessment. I think Griffin is quite a bit better than Hayward, but his injury history brings him about to the same overall value as Hayward.
I'd still try for Griffin over Hayward, especially if you could get Butler or George on the cheap, as has been reported. On the other hand, I'd rather have a combo of Porzingis and Hayward than any other trade/free agent combo that's semi-realistic at the moment.
Injury history for Griffin is what factors into Hayward being the better player with a safer and better outlook. If you were a betting man do you think it's more likely Griffin has surgery in the next 3 years or will he remain healthy? If Griffin had no injury history and was back to his old self this isn't even a discussion. He'd be the better player and a fantastic fit. However, he's one knee injury away from becoming a horrible contract a la Amare Stoudemir was.
Also PG is going west and Butler is no longer in the C's plans. Especially with Browns continued development and us trading back in the draft to select Tatum/Jackson.
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Look over Griffin's injury history. Most of the time he missed was weird stuff that hasn't resulted in chronic problems:
Broken knee cap as rookie
staph infection
torn quad/broken hand
He's had some knee stuff, but nothing scary.
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Griffin followed Isaiah back a few hours later.
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(It probably isn't, but I'm surprisingly bored :P )
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Griffin followed Isaiah back a few hours later.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/LGa69eFGOfJ6M/giphy.gif)
(It probably isn't, but I'm surprisingly bored :P )
Any time you get to use that Ron Paul gif is a good time. TP.
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Griffin followed Isaiah back a few hours later.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/LGa69eFGOfJ6M/giphy.gif)
(It probably isn't, but I'm surprisingly bored :P )
Any time you get to use that Ron Paul gif is a good time. TP.
I tried using it last year too during "Horford watch times", BUT every single time I tried to post, it came back as "connection problems".
No joke, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Probably tried 10 times before giving up.
Did the same with Durant rumors and every time (5 times) same thing happened.
It was really hectic last year, and it is now too lol. Luckily "it happened" this time though. :laugh:
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http://www.csnne.com/video/blake-griffin-out-until-late-november
So according to our good friend Sherrod, after toe surgery, Griffin could be out until Late November/Early December... :o
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The CP3 trade means Griffin HAS TO BE LEAVING, right?
You think Griffin can opt in and the Celtics-Clippers make a trade lol?
Maybe Hayward + Griffin IS possible?
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Not a cap guru but judging from the Hayward-Paul scenario the trade must happen after Hayward signs otherwise there are a lot of cap related problems. This is not possible with Blake ...
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The CP3 trade means Griffin HAS TO BE LEAVING, right?
You think Griffin can opt in and the Celtics-Clippers make a trade lol?
Maybe Hayward + Griffin IS possible?
Griffin already opted out last week. I don't think he can opt back in to be traded a la CP3.
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Miami seems like the best fit for Blake.
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Miami seems like the best fit for Blake.
Yep...Think the loser of the Hayward sweeps goes in hard after Blake
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The CP3 trade means Griffin HAS TO BE LEAVING, right?
You think Griffin can opt in and the Celtics-Clippers make a trade lol?
Maybe Hayward + Griffin IS possible?
Griffin already opted out last week. I don't think he can opt back in to be traded a la CP3.
Oh my bad. But didn't CP3 technically opt out too? Idk I thought I heard his name too in the Woj report saying CP3 and Griffin opted out. Maybe I read it wrong.
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Miami seems like the best fit for Blake.
Yep...Think the loser of the Hayward sweeps goes in hard after Blake
My guess is Miami and Boston will grab one of Hayward/Griffin.
Whoever doesn't grab one gets the other.
Unless Griffin and Hayward would much rather stay put, which is likely possible too.
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Blake Griffin meeting with the Suns on Saturday. Could get near max/max money.
https://twitter.com/BA_Turner/status/880532897056210944
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Blake Griffin scheduled to meet with Phoenix Suns Saturday, per source. Suns can offer BG 4 year deal, $130 million.
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Blake meeting with suns. Looks like he wants nothing to do with winning
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I like Griffin as a better fit for the Celtics than Hayward. He is a much better rebounder and is a bigger and stronger player than Hayward. Injuries are an issue but I like the way BS handles the Celtics minutes all season to keep players healthy. This would certainly help Griffin. I hope we get him and then trade for George.
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Blake meeting with suns. Looks like he wants nothing to do with winning
Taking a meeting can mean anything from serious interest to a courtesy meeting to be professional for an agent or friend. Wouldn't freak out over it.
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Griffin's decision this summer will be telling. With CP3 gone, that team is not nearly as good. But I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Griffin might be enticed by the idea that he'll finally be the lead ballhandler on the Clippers and get to control things a little bit more as the undisputed #1. Maybe he'll want to stick around and try to be the leader.
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I agree with Kaufman..
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/880541816583598080
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@AdamMKaufman
Assume #Celtics plan to get (at least try for) meeting w/Blake Griffin. Not doing so would show EXTREME confidence in signing Gordon Hayward
C's should be planning a meeting time with Blake soon too. UNLESS they are very sure they are getting Hayward (or.. they just don't like Blake at a near max/max deal...)
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I can't imagine Danny passing on a meeting with Blake, even if he has no plans of offering a max. He still should talk to him and see where he stands on playing here and a contract.
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The CP3 trade means Griffin HAS TO BE LEAVING, right?
You think Griffin can opt in and the Celtics-Clippers make a trade lol?
Maybe Hayward + Griffin IS possible?
Griffin already opted out last week. I don't think he can opt back in to be traded a la CP3.
Oh my bad. But didn't CP3 technically opt out too? Idk I thought I heard his name too in the Woj report saying CP3 and Griffin opted out. Maybe I read it wrong.
He only way he could have been traded was by opting in, but in reality CP3 controlled the situation.
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thanks to Kevin O’Connor, here is a complete list of Griffin's injury history:
Sprained left MCL, January 2008
Torn right knee cartilage, March 2008
Broken left kneecap, October 2009
Sprained left knee, May 2012
Torn left meniscus, July 2012
Strained left hamstring, February 2013
Sprained right high ankle, April 2013
Bruised left knee bone, October 2013
Stress fracture to the back, July 2014
Staph infection of the right elbow, February 2015
Partially torn left quadriceps, December 2015
Broken right hand, January 2016
Surgery on the right knee — “minor” to remove “loose bodies,” December 2016
Bruised right big toe, April 2017
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Miami seems like the best fit for Blake.
I would argue OKC. Miami really shined when they ran James Johnson and Point-Forward and kept Dragic off the ball sometimes. What does that do for Griffin?
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Suns are after Millsap or Griffin, so it seems they are intent on signing some PF upgrade.
Again, I hope Ainge schedules a meeting with Griffin ASAP because I view him as the "perfect fallback" if we can't land Hayward (and George).
Much rather him than Millsap or the likes of Gay, Gallinari, etc. (who will come at a pretty steep price as well due to the bidding wars which will ensue).
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So Brad Stevens calls Hayward at 12:01 tonight.
Ainge better be the one calling Griffin then!
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I can't imagine Blake leaving the Clippers to Phoenix. Less money and a terrible team for a guy who should be in "win now" mode? Maybe he's doing it to signal to other teams that he's serious about leaving LA and wants teams to pay attention to him.
Mike
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-celtics-blake-griffin-reportedly-struggling-to-schedule-meeting/
Ever since Blake Griffin was ruled out of the playoffs during the middle of the Los Angeles Clippers' first-round series against the Utah Jazz, which they lost in seven games, the question about what he would decide to do in the summer was one of the most interesting topics when thinking about this summer's free agency period.
Since Chris Paul moved on to join the Houston Rockets, however, the discussion has only become more fascinating, as there are valid reasons to believe it could either increase or decrease his chances of staying in Los Angeles. Does he want to stay in Los Angeles, where he's played his whole career, and now be the main man? Or will he see Paul leaving as the end of an era and opt for a change of scenery?
Adding to the intrigue, is the recent report that Griffin could be sidelined until December due to the toe injury that knocked him out of the playoffs.
Of course, no one knows what Griffin will decide, which is what makes thinking about the multiple options so interesting. One thing that is known, however, is that multiple teams will be after Griffin, with the Phoenix Suns reportedly set to get one of the first meetings.
As for the Boston Celtics, who are expected to be involved in the sweepstakes, they are not finding it so easy to get in the room with Griffin.
According to a report from Jay King, the Celtics are having trouble scheduling a meeting with the star forward. Via MassLive:
"The Boston Celtics have had a tricky time nailing down a meeting with free agent Blake Griffin because of clashing priorities, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
The source told MassLive.com Friday afternoon that Griffin is said to prefer exploring his options early in the free agency period. That has made things difficult with the Celtics, who have other priorities, like the pursuit of Gordon Hayward and potentially a trade for Paul George."
It's still likely that the Celtics and Griffin will sit down together at some point over the next few days. However, there is always the possibility that Griffin could make a decision before Danny Ainge and Co. get their chance to make a visit.
I REALLY hope they can schedule a meeting, because he's a nice fallback option if we don't get Hayward and/or George. I expect they will get a meeting date/time in though.
Seems like the C's are really prioritizing Hayward (and George?) now though, and they must feel real confident in their chances of landing Hayward.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-celtics-blake-griffin-reportedly-struggling-to-schedule-meeting/
Ever since Blake Griffin was ruled out of the playoffs during the middle of the Los Angeles Clippers' first-round series against the Utah Jazz, which they lost in seven games, the question about what he would decide to do in the summer was one of the most interesting topics when thinking about this summer's free agency period.
Since Chris Paul moved on to join the Houston Rockets, however, the discussion has only become more fascinating, as there are valid reasons to believe it could either increase or decrease his chances of staying in Los Angeles. Does he want to stay in Los Angeles, where he's played his whole career, and now be the main man? Or will he see Paul leaving as the end of an era and opt for a change of scenery?
Adding to the intrigue, is the recent report that Griffin could be sidelined until December due to the toe injury that knocked him out of the playoffs.
Of course, no one knows what Griffin will decide, which is what makes thinking about the multiple options so interesting. One thing that is known, however, is that multiple teams will be after Griffin, with the Phoenix Suns reportedly set to get one of the first meetings.
As for the Boston Celtics, who are expected to be involved in the sweepstakes, they are not finding it so easy to get in the room with Griffin.
According to a report from Jay King, the Celtics are having trouble scheduling a meeting with the star forward. Via MassLive:
"The Boston Celtics have had a tricky time nailing down a meeting with free agent Blake Griffin because of clashing priorities, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
The source told MassLive.com Friday afternoon that Griffin is said to prefer exploring his options early in the free agency period. That has made things difficult with the Celtics, who have other priorities, like the pursuit of Gordon Hayward and potentially a trade for Paul George."
It's still likely that the Celtics and Griffin will sit down together at some point over the next few days. However, there is always the possibility that Griffin could make a decision before Danny Ainge and Co. get their chance to make a visit.
I REALLY hope they can schedule a meeting, because he's a nice fallback option if we don't get Hayward and/or George. I expect they will get a meeting date/time in though.
Seems like the C's are really prioritizing Hayward (and George?) now though, and they must feel real confident in their chances of landing Hayward.
Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get a meeting. If you're Blake, wouldn't you be insulted that you're a fallback option?
A lot of eggs in the Hayward basket.
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I can't imagine Blake leaving the Clippers to Phoenix. Less money and a terrible team for a guy who should be in "win now" mode? Maybe he's doing it to signal to other teams that he's serious about leaving LA and wants teams to pay attention to him.
Mike
Maybe he's in "have fun" mode after playing with Chris Paul all those years.
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Apparently resigning with the Clippers on a 5 year max.
Shams Charania @ShamsCharaniaBlake Griffin plans to reach agreement on a five-year, $173 million deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell The Vertical.
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880960762000396292
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880960762000396292
TP. There goes our Plan B LOL.
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Blake Griffin plans to reach agreement on a five-year, $173 million deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell The Vertical.
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Welp cross Blake Griffin off our target list.
Makes Hayward and George a top priority now right
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Feel like doc had told Danny he would eventually offer Blake the max, hence why Celtics didn't heavily target griffin
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Good news for our Clippers pick!
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Good news for our Clippers pick!
Yep, but need Griffin to play good chunk of the regular season at least.