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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: rondohondo on February 23, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Boston, Indy had preliminary talk on Paul George, but there won't be real dialogue until/unless C's introduce Nets pick into deal.
11:33 AM · Feb 23, 2017
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Update on Boston, Indy: Boston hasn't met Indiana's asking price on Paul George, but Nets pick has entered conversation now, sources say.
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But hey, let's believe Chris Haynes report....
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Woj just posted another update stating that the Nets pick is now in the discussion. As it obviously should be. lol at the notion of trading for George without including that.
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Noel officially traded to Mavs shortly after that news from woj dropped which makes the Bogut to Boston contingent on a bigger deal rumor very plausible.. I think we're getting George
disregard Bogut was included in the Noel trade ughh
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I have to Imagine Indy is asking for Crowder, rosier, brk 17, and clips picks.
I would gladly do this
Come on Danny bring it home!
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
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I have to Imagine Indy is asking for Crowder, rosier, brk 17, and clips picks.
I would gladly do this
Come on Danny bring it home!
In this case he has to give up on Crowder.
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https://twitter.com/celticsblog/status/834807438142484480
:)
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Bogut is a Sixer!
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
The other side will always ask for more unless it's a Godfather type offer. You never go in with all your chips the first round. DA knows this is what Bird will want, he's just trying to hold onto Brown and the 2018 pick for an other deal.
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Noel officially traded to Mavs shortly after that news from woj dropped which makes the Bogut to Boston contingent on a bigger deal rumor very plausible.. I think we're getting George
disregard Bogut was included in the Noel trade ughh
Well it sounds like Bogut is going to be bought out.
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Bogut is a Sixer!
Might get bought out, but don't think he can return to warriors until a year after he was traded I believe.
If we trade for George I think we have a great shot at Bogut if he is bought out
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Bring this home DA! George (or Butler) is better than what you'll find out there in FA, even if Hayward decides to leave Utah!
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I hope Danny doesn't trade for George without a guarantee from George that he'll sign an extension w/Boston.
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I hope Danny doesn't trade for George without a guarantee from George that he'll sign an extension w/Boston.
Absolutely has to be extension, otherwise no deal.
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
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Bogut is said being redirected possibly to Boston...
Go get George. Lets take the next step. Offer either the 2017 or 2018 BK pick, rozier and zizic
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Bogut is a Sixer!
Might get bought out, but don't think he can return to warriors until a year after he was traded I believe.
If we trade for George I think we have a great shot at Bogut if he is bought out
Has Bogut expressed interest in the C's? Or is it just wishful thinking by CBers?
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I have to Imagine Indy is asking for Crowder, rosier, brk 17, and clips picks.
I would gladly do this
Come on Danny bring it home!
That is an overpayment
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From the ESPN page:
"10:40 a.m. ET According to ESPN's Chris Haynes, forward Paul George wants to remain on the Indiana Pacers. With the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers, George will not "commit long-term" if dealt to any other team before Thursday's trade deadline. George can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2017-18 season."
Be wary Danny....
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No star player is guaranteeing to sign an extension after being traded nowadays. No point in holding your breath on that.
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I have to Imagine Indy is asking for Crowder, rosier, brk 17, and clips picks.
I would gladly do this
Come on Danny bring it home!
That is an overpayment
I don't know. I'd rather stand pat, but if that deal is out there you just have to take it. Maybe try to include Bradley instead of Crowder, but I would take that deal if offered
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Either Danny is going all in on Paul George or he is driving down the price for Butler by talking with Indy...but to get either the BK 17 pick is going to have to be involved
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From the ESPN page:
"10:40 a.m. ET According to ESPN's Chris Haynes, forward Paul George wants to remain on the Indiana Pacers. With the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers, George will not "commit long-term" if dealt to any other team before Thursday's trade deadline. George can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2017-18 season."
Be wary Danny....
Yikes. Aren't players usually mum on these things unless they feel really strongly about it?
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From the ESPN page:
"10:40 a.m. ET According to ESPN's Chris Haynes, forward Paul George wants to remain on the Indiana Pacers. With the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers, George will not "commit long-term" if dealt to any other team before Thursday's trade deadline. George can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2017-18 season."
Be wary Danny....
Garnett also said he didn't want to play in Boston. Get George into the fold. You can offer him the most money of any team once you have his rights
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From the ESPN page:
"10:40 a.m. ET According to ESPN's Chris Haynes, forward Paul George wants to remain on the Indiana Pacers. With the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers, George will not "commit long-term" if dealt to any other team before Thursday's trade deadline. George can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2017-18 season."
Be wary Danny....
George here is not happening.
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I'm OK with the Brooklyn pick going, especially if it means keeping Brown and Smart. Pretty much anyone else I'm OK with including (obviously excluding IT and Horford, who aren't being traded).
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I have to Imagine Indy is asking for Crowder, rosier, brk 17, and clips picks.
I would gladly do this
Come on Danny bring it home!
That is an overpayment
I don't know. I'd rather stand pat, but if that deal is out there you just have to take it. Maybe try to include Bradley instead of Crowder, but I would take that deal if offered
Stand pat. Esp given PGs desire to join Lakers.
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From the ESPN page:
"10:40 a.m. ET According to ESPN's Chris Haynes, forward Paul George wants to remain on the Indiana Pacers. With the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers, George will not "commit long-term" if dealt to any other team before Thursday's trade deadline. George can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2017-18 season."
Be wary Danny....
Garnett also said he didn't want to play in Boston. Get George into the fold. You can offer him the most money of any team once you have his rights
I believe it was the Ray Allen trade that made him change his mind.
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
I don't imagine that giving other managers insultingly lowball offers is good for business, but to each their own.
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I'd rather trade Smart and keep Brooklyn pick.
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I would offer Indy:
BK 17 pick
Memphis 2019 pick
Zeller or Amir expiring contract
Bradley or Rozier
Would not include Crowder is at all possible
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I'm OK with the Brooklyn pick going, especially if it means keeping Brown and Smart. Pretty much anyone else I'm OK with including (obviously excluding IT and Horford, who aren't being traded).
That is where I am. (don't want to include both AB and Crowder, but one of them, sure)
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
I don't imagine that giving other managers insultingly lowball offers is good for business, but to each their own.
Well, it's worked in the past several times so...
If another GM doesn't do business with you because he's insulted, he's not doing his job, which is not good for business.
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Suns wanting a high first round pick for PJ Tucker has to be a joke.
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
I don't imagine that giving other managers insultingly lowball offers is good for business, but to each their own.
Well, it's worked in the past several times so...
If another GM doesn't do business with you because he's insulted, he's not doing his job, which is not good for business.
There are plenty of pro sports GMs doing their jobs poorly. Ultimately, though, you care about being able to get the players you want, so alienating your potential trading partners is never good.
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
I don't imagine that giving other managers insultingly lowball offers is good for business, but to each their own.
Well, it's worked in the past several times so...
If another GM doesn't do business with you because he's insulted, he's not doing his job, which is not good for business.
It usre has worked but this is LB we are talking about ..... He is a pretty smart guy
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
I don't imagine that giving other managers insultingly lowball offers is good for business, but to each their own.
Well, it's worked in the past several times so...
If another GM doesn't do business with you because he's insulted, he's not doing his job, which is not good for business.
There are plenty of pro sports GMs doing their jobs poorly. Ultimately, though, you care about being able to get the players you want, so alienating your potential trading partners is never good.
I agree that it's unnecessary and would usually be insulting, but I can;t see Bird having a problem with it. Maybe if some random GM had done it, but he knows Danny
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I can't imagine DA really thought he could pull this off without one BR pick
I love that he tried.
I don't imagine that giving other managers insultingly lowball offers is good for business, but to each their own.
Well, it's worked in the past several times so...
If another GM doesn't do business with you because he's insulted, he's not doing his job, which is not good for business.
It usre has worked but this is LB we are talking about ..... He is a pretty smart guy
Exactly. If it's a bad deal, he'll keep talking until he gets a good deal. He won't cry because you insulted his player and then refuse to deal with you. That's imaginary stuff. Worst case is he speeds up the process by telling you to only call back with the offer he's looking for.
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Still think the PG talk is just talk in order to get the Bulls to panic and cheapen the asking price for butler
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Still think the PG talk is just talk in order to get the Bulls to panic and cheapen the asking price for butler
I think Ainge will take either of them if the price comes down. First one to drop wins.
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I wonder if Ainge got permission to talk to George about signing in Boston long term before offering up the Nets pick, or is he going in blind with the risk George bolts to the Lakers later on.
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
Cousins
Noel
Melo
Ibaka
What a joke Danny is...
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
When did he overpay? Or are we talking about the other teams?
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
If it wasn't for Ainge's genius, we wouldn't have any Nets picks to offer and we wouldn't be the 2 seed in the east at the moment. Nobody would be picking up our calls for players like George and Butler.
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
When did he overpay? Or are we talking about the other teams?
The only recent example was offering four #1s for Charlotte's pick. Danny admitted he offered too much.
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If we somehow picked up George and didn't trade Crowder, does Jaylen Brown move to the 2? I think I read that PG doesn't want to play the 4.
Mike
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
If it wasn't for Ainge's genius, we wouldn't have any Nets picks to offer and we wouldn't be the 2 seed in the east at the moment. Nobody would be picking up our calls for players like George and Butler.
Also would not have stolen IT4 from the Suns (a trade which, if I remember correctly, was not loved by the Ainge haters around here). Or got an unknown Crowder in the Rondo trade (another trade that was not met with much approval from the resident Ainge haters).
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
If it wasn't for Ainge's genius, we wouldn't have any Nets picks to offer and we wouldn't be the 2 seed in the east at the moment. Nobody would be picking up our calls for players like George and Butler.
Also would not have stolen IT4 from the Suns (a trade which, if I remember correctly, was not loved by the Ainge haters around here). Or got an unknown Crowder in the Rondo trade (another trade that was not met with much approval from the resident Ainge haters).
Exactly.
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Brown and nets 1st for a short term
Is quite a bit to give up
PG13 could leave after next season
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Woj now reporting Bogut wants to be bought out, reroute unlikely.
Mike
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
When did he overpay? Or are we talking about the other teams?
The only recent example was offering four #1s for Charlotte's pick. Danny admitted he offered too much.
That is the recent example, but Ainge has had quite a few trades that did not go well during his tenure. Walker for LaFrentz, Telfair trade, trading up for Banks, etc.
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Brian WindhorstVerified account@WindhorstESPN 1m1 minute ago
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Pacers involved in talks with teams potentially to clear roster spots, sources say. Teams suspect might be related to Celtics talks
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Here comes the desperation to get something done and overpayment because of it which is nothing new when it comes to Danny Ainge. Yea, the man is a real genius ::)
When did he overpay? Or are we talking about the other teams?
The only recent example was offering four #1s for Charlotte's pick. Danny admitted he offered too much.
That is the recent example, but Ainge has had quite a few trades that did not go well during his tenure. Walker for LaFrentz, Telfair trade, trading up for Banks, etc.
The Telfair trade was Ainge moving the #7 pick because he wanted Rondo and knew he could be had later in the draft - he was right. He also dumped Lafrentz' contract in this deal and acquired Theo Ratliff. If you remember, both Ratliff and Telfair were included in the trade for KG so it's hard to argue against this one.
The Lafrentz trade was Danny moving a lazy, washed up, unmotivated player, for an injured stiff - end result is a wash.
The Banks trade, many have theorized that Danny was not involved in this since he was hired about 10 minutes before the draft. Also, Troy Bell and Dahntay Jones for Banks and Perk didn't turn out so bad since Perk was the starting 5 on a championship team.
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i'm going to take a long shower, i expect PG in Celtics colors afterwards
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So who is taking bets on this not going down? I have a bad feeling about it.
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if this goes down, i cant wait to here the non celtics fans complain about how ainge can only do a big trade if his friends are involved(mchale, bird)
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So who is taking bets on this not going down? I have a bad feeling about it.
I was optimistic last night, but I'm getting the feeling that we end walking away from these mega deals and getting Melo on the cheap instead. Last week, I would have rather killed myself than add Melo to this team, but I'm starting to think he's the best option if he can be had for a bargain basement deal.
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A little over an hour ;D
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So who is taking bets on this not going down? I have a bad feeling about it.
I'm only betting don't pass on a trade for PG. It isn't going down.
Mike
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Sam Amick: The word from Celtics side with 98 minutes to go: no progress on Paul George talks with Indy. Still time though
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So who is taking bets on this not going down? I have a bad feeling about it.
I was optimistic last night, but I'm getting the feeling that we end walking away from these mega deals and getting Melo on the cheap instead. Last week, I would have rather killed myself than add Melo to this team, but I'm starting to think he's the best option if he can be had for a bargain basement deal.
if we can get melo without the key pieces (brown smart bk picks) then i'm good with that
although browns minutes might dissapear
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So who is taking bets on this not going down? I have a bad feeling about it.
I'd lean towards it not happening because Bird can play chicken with an overpay and just do it again on Draft Night if his price isn't met. And we know Danny's not going to cave if he doesn't think the value's right.
There's a decent chance it happens I think, it's just not the most likely. Gallinari for cheap would be a solid backup move in that case.
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Sam Amick: The word from Celtics side with 98 minutes to go: no progress on Paul George talks with Indy. Still time though
Lol good luck finding a George or butler in the draft Danny
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A little over an hour ;D
Crap, then I'll have to find a life outside of the internet.
Mike
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A little over an hour ;D
Crap, then I'll have to find a life outside of the internet.
Mike
What? Never!
We still have days and weeks to debate the move the Celtics did or did not make.
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Sam Amick: The word from Celtics side with 98 minutes to go: no progress on Paul George talks with Indy. Still time though
Lol good luck finding a George or butler in the draft Danny
Trades (including trades for those guys) can happen during the offseason, too. They don't have to be at the trade deadline
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if this goes down, i cant wait to here the non celtics fans complain about how ainge can only do a big trade if his friends are involved(mchale, bird)
then let them lobby for Tree Rollins to run a team. He'll charge Ainge an arm and a leg as well as a finger ;)
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A little over an hour ;D
Crap, then I'll have to find a life outside of the internet.
Mike
What? Never!
We still have days and weeks to debate the move the Celtics did or did not make.
Good point. And then the lottery, and then the draft...
Mike
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So, is the whole "PG will sign with LA" the reason now for the hold up?
I think it is...
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Sam Amick - "I repeat: Paul George - barring a title chance in Indy - is hell-bent on heading for Laker Land. This message has been sent throughout NBA."
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2017/02/nba-trade-deadline-2017-latest-rumors-news-updates-as-teams-deal/
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https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/834847132783886336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Sam Amick - "I repeat: Paul George - barring a title chance in Indy - is hell-bent on heading for Laker Land. This message has been sent throughout NBA."
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2017/02/nba-trade-deadline-2017-latest-rumors-news-updates-as-teams-deal/
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https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/834847132783886336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
If you're Celtics, I think you let it ride w/ Paul George & trust that, by summer 2018, you convince him to be Celtics legend. Denver? Dicey
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/834849145705754624
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Sam Amick - "I repeat: Paul George - barring a title chance in Indy - is hell-bent on heading for Laker Land. This message has been sent throughout NBA."
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2017/02/nba-trade-deadline-2017-latest-rumors-news-updates-as-teams-deal/
or
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/834847132783886336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
If you're Celtics, I think you let it ride w/ Paul George & trust that, by summer 2018, you convince him to be Celtics legend. Denver? Dicey
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/834849145705754624
I'm with Sam: pull the trigger, get a couple of solid playoff runs out of it. I like our chances in that gamble.
But Larry's leverage will dissipate if he continues to wait.
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George staying in IND, pet woj.
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The dream is dead.
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The dream is dead.
until draft night
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Should've gotten Cousins for cheap but nope some here don't want headcases here.
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Back to draftexpress and tankathon.com we go....
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Should've gotten Cousins for cheap but nope some here don't want headcases here.
You mean Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens?
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Ainge's behavior at trade deadline is the same this year as last year. Setting unrealistic heights, ignoring real team needs. Result: zero.
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Should've gotten Cousins for cheap but nope some here don't want headcases here.
This is about Celtics culture and over achieving with mediocre players and holding draft picks until they hold no value and getting bounced in the second round. When has Celtic basketball ever been about winning? ::)
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Ainge's behavior at trade deadline is the same this year as last year. Setting unrealistic heights, ignoring real team needs. Result: zero.
Yeah, why didn't Danny get in on some of the sweet action at last year's deadline? All those big names getting moved (Like Jeffrey Lynn Green, which has 16 letters, or Chukwudiebere Maduabum, which I can assure you is the actual name of someone traded last trade deadline).
Say what you will about Ainge this trade deadline, but you can;t fault him for not making a splash at last year's deadline when nobody did (nor was anyone expected to, given the jump in the cap and massive cap space people were going to have)
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Should've gotten Cousins for cheap but nope some here don't want headcases here.
This is about Celtics culture and over achieving with mediocre players and holding draft picks until they hold no value and getting bounced in the second round. When has Celtic basketball ever been about winning? ::)
17 championships would make the answer always.
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Ainge's behavior at trade deadline is the same this year as last year. Setting unrealistic heights, ignoring real team needs. Result: zero.
I wouldn't exactly say the result was zero.
There were results.
IT got way better
Smart got way better
Avery got way better
Rozier got better
We added Jaylen
We added Zizic
We added Yab
We kept cap space and added Horford.
This team got better
Those are the results of not making a trade at the deadline last year
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The dream is dead.
until draft night
When we get screwed again and end up picking fourth.
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I'm certainly disappointed we didn't get a star. Two weeks ago I wanted to stand pat, but then with all the rumors for stars I got drawn in. Even though I am back at the opinion I had previously, I am sure disappointed.
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Marc SteinVerified account@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
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ESPN sources say Indy ownership felt compelled to hear out Paul George suitors but that Larry Bird was determined to swat away all pitches.
Lol, Bird is a baaaaaaaaaad GM. He's great at drafting though. He's going to trade George for less in the summer, or he's going to end up losing him for nothing. Should be glad he isn't our GM at least.
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Marc SteinVerified account@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
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ESPN sources say Indy ownership felt compelled to hear out Paul George suitors but that Larry Bird was determined to swat away all pitches.
Lol, Bird is a baaaaaaaaaad GM. He's great at drafting though. He's going to trade George for less in the summer, or he's going to end up losing him for nothing. Should be glad he isn't our GM at least.
Bird made a big mistake not accepting a reasonable offer for George from the Celtics. He's going to lose him to the Lakers in a year for nothing with that stupid player option--if they want him.
Timing is everything. He muffed his chance.
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Ainge's behavior at trade deadline is the same this year as last year. Setting unrealistic heights, ignoring real team needs. Result: zero.
I wouldn't exactly say the result was zero.
There were results.
IT got way better
Smart got way better
Avery got way better
Rozier got better
We added Jaylen
We added Zizic
We added Yab
We kept cap space and added Horford.
This team got better
Those are the results of not making a trade at the deadline last year
Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
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Ainge's behavior at trade deadline is the same this year as last year. Setting unrealistic heights, ignoring real team needs. Result: zero.
I wouldn't exactly say the result was zero.
There were results.
IT got way better
Smart got way better
Avery got way better
Rozier got better
We added Jaylen
We added Zizic
We added Yab
We kept cap space and added Horford.
This team got better
Those are the results of not making a trade at the deadline last year
Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
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Ainge's behavior at trade deadline is the same this year as last year. Setting unrealistic heights, ignoring real team needs. Result: zero.
I wouldn't exactly say the result was zero.
There were results.
IT got way better
Smart got way better
Avery got way better
Rozier got better
We added Jaylen
We added Zizic
We added Yab
We kept cap space and added Horford.
This team got better
Those are the results of not making a trade at the deadline last year
Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
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Marc SteinVerified account@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
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ESPN sources say Indy ownership felt compelled to hear out Paul George suitors but that Larry Bird was determined to swat away all pitches.
Lol, Bird is a baaaaaaaaaad GM. He's great at drafting though. He's going to trade George for less in the summer, or he's going to end up losing him for nothing. Should be glad he isn't our GM at least.
Bird made a big mistake not accepting a reasonable offer for George from the Celtics. He's going to lose him to the Lakers in a year for nothing with that stupid player option--if they want him.
Timing is everything. He muffed his chance.
Something tells me even Ainge was afraid of that too.
People thought he was stupid at first NOT offering a Nets pick in return.
But can you imagine if he did that, and PG13 DID bolt for the Lakers 1.5 years later..
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Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
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Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
How quickly we forget about James Posey, our super 6th man who was on the floor in every key moment and crunch time situation that year instead of Perkins as Doc went small with KG at center.
It worked.
Losing Posey and Tony Allen was the difference in winning another title much more than losing Perkins.
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Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
How quickly we forget about James Posey, our super 6th man who was on the floor in every key moment and crunch time situation that year instead of Perkins as Doc went small with KG at center.
It worked.
Losing Posey and Tony Allen was the difference in winning another title much more than losing Perkins.
Kevin Garnett was DPOY that year, averaged 10.5 rebounds in the '08 playoffs, and 13 rebounds in the Finals. It's much easier to go small and win at a high level when you have a future Hall of Famer who can singlehandedly mask your biggest weaknesses.
If Al Horford can step up and make a KG-level impact, that changes things. The likelihood of that just doesn't seem to be based in reality, though.
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Woj just had something on the tweets today that said Hayward was a FA target for the Celtics. Most had guessed all along this was so, but Woj is just putting his imprint on it. He also had previously said a Butler deal was likely at the trade deadline, FWIW.
Woj added that he didn't think it had anything to do with Ainge's inactivity at the trade deadline. I have to wonder about that. Signing Hayward for $30M or so is going to be a tight fit for Ainge, and maybe he just didn't want to mess with the roster.
I can easily see a scenario where he signs Hayward, drafts a top guard with the Nets pick, unloads AJ, Zeller, KO, etc. Revamps up front with Zizic and the French kid. The only conflict is Crowder vs Hayward at the 3. Maybe Hayward plays the 2 and Bradley gets traded.
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Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
How quickly we forget about James Posey, our super 6th man who was on the floor in every key moment and crunch time situation that year instead of Perkins as Doc went small with KG at center.
It worked.
Losing Posey and Tony Allen was the difference in winning another title much more than losing Perkins.
Grousbeck went cheap, and cost the Celtics at least one more banner.
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Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
How quickly we forget about James Posey, our super 6th man who was on the floor in every key moment and crunch time situation that year instead of Perkins as Doc went small with KG at center.
It worked.
Losing Posey and Tony Allen was the difference in winning another title much more than losing Perkins.
More likely, it was all of these players, with Powe added for OR. The Championship team was 8-9 deep with a number of role players. Very strong D. Red always said he needed 8 solid players to win a Championship. The 08 team had it, then gave it up.
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Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
How quickly we forget about James Posey, our super 6th man who was on the floor in every key moment and crunch time situation that year instead of Perkins as Doc went small with KG at center.
It worked.
Losing Posey and Tony Allen was the difference in winning another title much more than losing Perkins.
More likely, it was all of these players, with Powe added for OR. The Championship team was 8-9 deep with a number of role players. Very strong D. Red always said he needed 8 solid players to win a Championship. The 08 team had it, then gave it up.
the 2010 team that lost to the Lakers in the Finals had a pretty solid 8 deep rotation, though losing Perk in the Finals hurt a lot. Even the 2011 team had a pretty solid 8 man rotation in the playoffs, the big 3 were just too old by then.
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Exactly, TP Eja. Also, the Nets pick, which we kept last year, got way better too.
Rebounding issues still stayed the same.
Lack of interior defense still stayed the same.
We still haven't a true second option next to IT.
In fact, these have been long term issues going back to the KG/Pierce days. At some point, Danny has to address these weaknesses. Yes, we are a good team and will make the playoffs. But if I'm Cleveland and Toronto, I'm not scared of us in the playoffs. The game plan against us is simple and has been for some time: trap and double IT to take the ball out of his hands and crash the boards.
The KG/Pierce team won a title and came [dang] close to another one.
This current team is winning (#2 in the East with two top tier draft picks coming soon).
Neither team would have had the success they did/do if they didn't sacrifice rebounding and a defensive center for more mobility on defense, better perimeter defense, better perimeter shooting to spread the floor, and more ball-handling. Ainge knows something about what wins in today's NBA.
The difference between the first championship and the almost second championship was Perk. Let's not revise history. We were out rebounded 53-40 in game 7 in 2010. The games that we won in that series, we either kept it close (35-34) or beat them on the boards flat out (44-39 and 41-34).
Aside from the the 08 title, we were always looking for more rebounding/strengthening the big man rotation to push us over the top. Hence Mikki Moore, Troy Murphy, Shaq, Rasheed Wallace, chasing and losing David West.
I never said this isn't a good team. It is. But this a good team with serious holes that will prevent us from being a great team.
How quickly we forget about James Posey, our super 6th man who was on the floor in every key moment and crunch time situation that year instead of Perkins as Doc went small with KG at center.
It worked.
Losing Posey and Tony Allen was the difference in winning another title much more than losing Perkins.
Grousbeck went cheap, and cost the Celtics at least one more banner.
perhaps, but I dont care how much depth we had, we werent winning in '09 after the Garnett injury.
Paying for Posey could have given us a title in '10 but by then Posey was old and washed up.
Tony Allen probably would have made a difference, but he wanted a bigger role more than he wanted money. That was my understanding at least.