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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Smitty77 on January 08, 2017, 11:38:37 AM
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This guy seems like a classic stretch four!!!
Any seen him play???
Slotted to go #8 on draftexpress.com and #12 on nbadraft.net. I expect him to climb a little perhaps.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066336/lauri-markkanen
Smitty77
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This guy seems like a classic stretch four!!!
Any seen him play???
Slotted to go #8 on draftexpress.com and #12 on nbadraft.net. I expect him to climb a little perhaps.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066336/lauri-markkanen
Smitty77
I've seen him play and despite being a good shooter he doesn't finish well around the rim, or take that many shots for that matter either, and really sits around the perimeter. A good comparison I heard for him was Channing Frye, but honestly he probably ends up as a more consistent shooting Olynyk in the NBA. Also not a good defender either
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This guy seems like a classic stretch four!!!
Any seen him play???
Slotted to go #8 on draftexpress.com and #12 on nbadraft.net. I expect him to climb a little perhaps.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066336/lauri-markkanen
Smitty77
I've seen him play and despite being a good shooter he doesn't finish well around the rim, or take that many shots for that matter either, and really sits around the perimeter. A good comparison I heard for him was Channing Frye, but honestly he probably ends up as a more consistent shooting Olynyk in the NBA. Also not a good defender either
Thanks for the input!! The LAST thing we need is another Charmin Olynyk!!!!!!!!!!
Smitty77
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Seems a bit Dragan Bender-esque in that he's a wing in a big's body. More offensive potential and less defensive potential relative to Bender though.
Given that Danny wasn't high on Bender, don't think he'd be high on this guy either.
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I know that Olynyk has his haters on this board, and therefore any stretch 4 white guy will also have haters, but this dude is putting up numbers lately.
In the last five, he is averaging 20 ppg on 65% fg, 68% 3fg, and 85% ft. He is also averaging 7 rebounds a game while playing mostly on the perimeter. For the season he is averaging 17ppg on 51, 47, 83 splits with 7 rebounds a game.
I don't know if I'd have the guts to draft him in the top 5 in this draft, but with his frame, athleticism, and shooting stroke, that guy is going to be good in the NBA for a long time.
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I really like Markkanen but it is hard to see him going before Fultz, Jackson, Ball and Tatum. If a calamity of dreadful events led to us having the 5th pick, I think the choice would be between Markkanen and Isaac. For us with our current roster, I'd have no problem with taking Markkanen ahead of Fox, Monk and Smith and letting Olynyk walk in free agency.
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He looks like a poor man's Olynyk. He looks slow. He'll be lucky to stay in the top 10. I bet Sacramento will take him at like 8 or 9... I'm not interested for the Celtics.
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I like Justin Patton better. Markanen is an outstanding shooter, but I question his ability vs real NBA size.
Check out Justin Patton of Villanova.
18 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtfM-pTmvE
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I like Justin Patton better. Markanen is an outstanding shooter, but I question his ability vs real NBA size.
Check out Justin Patton of Villanova.
18 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtfM-pTmvE
Justin Patton is 19 and will turn 20 in June. He's a redshirt freshman. Patton is going to have to add weight/strength to deal with NBA size. I'd say Patton is a true center where Markkanen is a 4/5. Personally, I think I prefer Robert Williams to Patton from the games I've seen so far. He's definitely raw but I think he has higher potential.
Edit: He's a better athlete with a 7'4" wingspan and is around 240 now. I don't normally post high school highlights but I haven't seen a good college highlights video for him yet. Plus I wonder if his nickname is really "Boo-Butt".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvVKGUYokbo
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I like Justin Patton better. Markanen is an outstanding shooter, but I question his ability vs real NBA size.
Check out Justin Patton of Villanova.
18 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtfM-pTmvE
Patton is 19 and will be 20 before the draft.
I like Patton a lot too. If we fell to 5, I'd be looking at him.
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I know that Olynyk has his haters on this board, and therefore any stretch 4 white guy will also have haters, but this dude is putting up numbers lately.
In the last five, he is averaging 20 ppg on 65% fg, 68% 3fg, and 85% ft. He is also averaging 7 rebounds a game while playing mostly on the perimeter. For the season he is averaging 17ppg on 51, 47, 83 splits with 7 rebounds a game.
I don't know if I'd have the guts to draft him in the top 5 in this draft, but with his frame, athleticism, and shooting stroke, that guy is going to be good in the NBA for a long time.
You are basically drafting KO part 2
Not sure if such player is top 5 pick worthy
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I like Justin Patton better. Markanen is an outstanding shooter, but I question his ability vs real NBA size.
Check out Justin Patton of Villanova.
18 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXtfM-pTmvE
He plays for Creighton.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/justin-patton
Smitty77
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#10 Lauri Markkanen (Arizona) vs UCLA // 1.21.17 // 18 Pts, 7 Reb (beat UCLA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMG_kRKLlV8
A few games prior. Best game of the season
#10 Lauri Markkanen (Arizona) vs Arizona St // 1.12.17 // 30 Pts *CAREER HIGH*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UowrZCDOeY
7'0 tall with apparently a 7'1 wingspan. Looks like has a good reach measurement. And has an a excellent frame. Already in good shape. Better agility than KO.
Looks like a PNR dream for some nba team . One of the best 3 pt shooters of the draft
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Just not athletic enough for me to consider with the Nets pick this year.
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Just not athletic enough for me to consider with the Nets pick this year.
I get what you mean. But he could turn out to be a 7'0 Kevin love.
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I thought she was one of Trump's appointees....or someone Obama pardoned.
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sounds like an F1 driver
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I thought she was one of Trump's appointees....or someone Obama pardoned.
Be a nice teammate for Kelly and Avery. And if we get Courtney back...
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sounds like an F1 driver
Rally car.
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Lauri Markkanen looks like a: Not as good Kelly. He looks slow. I guess his standing reach looks better but he doesn't look like the passer Kelly is. I'm not a fan. Looks like he'll be outside the top ten.
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Lauri Markkanen looks like a: Not as good Kelly. He looks slow. I guess his standing reach looks better but he doesn't look like the passer Kelly is. I'm not a fan. Looks like he'll be outside the top ten.
slower than KO? LM is definitely a better shooter at the same age
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I like his shooting stroke, he is not the most athletic guy but he looked better than KO in college in terms of athletic movement. Looks soft to me and a finesse player, I wonder how easily he will get that shot off in the pros. I do not think he is a top five pick, though.
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I called him as my binky at the start of the season when we thought the Nets might be better than projected!
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I like his shooting stroke, he is not the most athletic guy but he looked better than KO in college in terms of athletic movement. Looks soft to me and a finesse player, I wonder how easily he will get that shot off in the pros. I do not think he is a top five pick, though.
High and quick release for his size is pretty dangerous
As long as he can play versatile defense, I think he will go in the top 10
He does not have above avg quickness or explosiveness but can cover ground quickly due to long strides. Good looking agility
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I like Lowry, I mean Laurie, but only if we acquire a pick at the end of the top 10. I wouldn't for a second pick him in the top 5, I don't care how good his workouts will be. He's no Dirk (or even Kevin Love).
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To preface, I am a big time Arizona fan who lives in Tucson. I've watched every AZ game and have seen Markannen up close in person a handful of times. The layman's evaluation of him is that he could be a richer man's Olynyk. A skilled 7-footer who can shoot who could come in and produce close to the level of Olynyk and hopefully grow from there.
My impressions of him at the beginning of the year were that he was a skilled, stronger than I imagined, 7-footer who could move decently and had 3-point range. I admit, I had some hesitancy initially given the way that he doesn't force anything. While it was a good thing that he wasn't being stupid and taking ill-advised shots and turning the ball over, it was frustrating that he was regularly the best player on the court, but didn't act like it.
Now, 8 games into the Pac-12 season, I am forced to adjust my expectations. It is clear now that he is not just a 7-footer who can shoot the 3, but he is an incredible shooter period. He is shooting 50% on 3's for the year, and is over 60% in Pac-12 play - as a 19 year-old freshman! He's definitely not soft or weak...he's actually already pretty ripped, and is averaging 7.5 rebounds per game. He shows bball IQ and great passing ability. He can also put the ball on the floor and has a decent mid-range game. He is averaging the same 17 and 7 as Olynyk did his last year in college, except that Olynyk was a redshirt junior and only shot 30% from 3 that year. As cliche as it is to compare a skilled 7-footer who can shoot to Dirk, I don't think it's a stretch in this case at all.
If you consider the Dirk comparison, there is nothing to say that as a 19 year-old he doesn't measure up skill-wise or shooting-wise, and he is at least on par with Dirk athletically. He definitely seems like a great kid that is willing to put in the work. The only question I have is that confidence and alpha-dog instinct. The confidence seems to be growing as the year goes on, and I can't see how someone that good doesn't eventually acquire some of that alpha-dog swagger.
Given the way that the game is going these days, a 19 year-old, elite-shooting, strong, skilled 7-footer seems like about as much of a sure thing as you can get. I wouldn't put him above Fultz at this point, but he's gotta be in the argument after that.
Makes me feel all the better about the Nets pick, even in the worst-case scenario.
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Yeah when your worst case scenario in the top 5 is dirk you're pretty good
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A couple vids...man that stroke is sweet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UowrZCDOeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMG_kRKLlV8
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How is Ryan Anderson as a comparison?
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I watched the UCLA game. He's already a big guy, and looks in excellent shape. He has the build to be a pretty sturdy guy in a few years. He had a nice feel for the game offensively, and his shot was beautiful- the guy will be an elite shooter. What I didn't like was that he looked too slow laterally for the pro game and he didn't show any physicality. He didn't know how to clear space inside. The smaller UCLA bigs were more physical than he was. He didn't look like anything other than a mediocre rebounder.
He's going to be good, but probably not great.
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I really like him. I've never seen a 7-footer who shoots like him, not just in terms of effectiveness, but the way he shoots. He looks much more like a guard than your typical elite-shooting big. His floor seems to be a bigger Ryan Anderson with more natural ability, and that's a pretty awesome worst case scenario.
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No doubt about his shooting ability, but there are questions about the rest of his game. Doesn't get blocks, steals or assists with any regularity, and is an average rebounder. Not long or quick, so probably a limited defensive upside. Strikes me as a mid lottery guy, but not a top of the draft dynamic player.
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the kelly o. comparisons are hilarious. dude is twice as athletic as k.o.
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No doubt about his shooting ability, but there are questions about the rest of his game. Doesn't get blocks, steals or assists with any regularity, and is an average rebounder. Not long or quick, so probably a limited defensive upside. Strikes me as a mid lottery guy, but not a top of the draft dynamic player.
College basketball is bereft of bigs so the real test will come in the NBA. He does look like a good shooter but he'll at best be at the end of the top 10 so it won't even be an issue for The Nets pick.
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Not interested in this guy.
Great shooter but doesn't do anything else at an NBA level. Absolutely heinous defender.
No way this guy goes top 10 imo.
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the kelly o. comparisons are hilarious. dude is twice as athletic as k.o.
And not nearly as good a ball handler, nor does he get steals at the rate Kelly does.
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the kelly o. comparisons are hilarious. dude is twice as athletic as k.o.
And not nearly as good a ball handler, nor does he get steals at the rate Kelly does.
He's also just 19 so he's got a lot of time for improvement.
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I've been watching some videos of this kid - and he seems pretty special. I mean, an AMAZING shooter - like Steph Curry, but an extra foot or so off the ground.
Now I understand his defensive weaknesses. But I think some of that could be figured out. He clearly has the ability to move laterally in a way K.O. does not.
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I've been watching some videos of this kid - and he seems pretty special. I mean, an AMAZING shooter - like Steph Curry, but an extra foot or so off the ground.
Now I understand his defensive weaknesses. But I think some of that could be figured out. He clearly has the ability to move laterally in a way K.O. does not.
stop it.
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When Trier was eligible to play again, Lauri wasn´t getting any shots. He was forced to go low post and the guards never fed him there, even though he was effective there too.
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Sounds like a Ryan Anderson / Channing Frye type guy to me.
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Sounds like a Ryan Anderson / Channing Frye type guy to me.
He's bigger and already as strong as those guys, and probably more athletic. I think his upside is likely higher than those guys.
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Any thoughts on where he stacks up to 2018 big men?
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Meh, the way I see it he is the next Kelly Olynyk or something.
If we are drafting a stretch four, I 'd rather have Isaac.
3+D > 3+no D all day long ;D
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Sounds like a Ryan Anderson / Channing Frye type guy to me.
Ryan Anderson part 2. a smidge taller version
but bc how the league is moving fwd... he is going to get interests...lots
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Sounds like a Ryan Anderson / Channing Frye type guy to me.
He's bigger and already as strong as those guys, and probably more athletic. I think his upside is likely higher than those guys.
He looks really slow to me.
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meh
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The next Kelly Olynyk? Why are people talking about trading Crowder and an 18 pick for him?
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The next Kelly Olynyk? Why are people talking about trading Crowder and an 18 pick for him?
He looks like a much better shooter than Olynyk at the very least.
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Any thoughts on where he stacks up to 2018 big men?
I rarely quote myself, but I am really interested in this question b/c I am not familiar with the projected 2018 draft class, and somewhere along the line the C's need to a really good big man via draft. Yabusele and Zizic are interesting prospects but not projected all-star talents.
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I see this kid thriving in the modern NBA. I would love to grab him to replace KO. It would require us to grab pick 8 from NYK or somewhere in that range.
This kid is a prospect that intrigues me greatly.
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The next Kelly Olynyk? Why are people talking about trading Crowder and an 18 pick for him?
He looks like a much better shooter than Olynyk at the very least.
Yes. Not as good court awareness... Defensively comparable. Though ko plays with more energy