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Title: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: perks-a-beast on December 17, 2016, 10:29:41 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: The One on December 17, 2016, 10:42:06 PM
Tony Delk redux?
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: perks-a-beast on December 17, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
That would be dissapointing to say the least considering Monk is a projected top 10 pick in what looks like a stellar draft.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 17, 2016, 11:59:43 PM
that is one heck of a performance. i wonder about his defense though.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: chilidawg on December 18, 2016, 12:06:34 AM
i still think Fox  is a better prospect, better athlete and better all around game.  Monk certainly can shoot the ball though, that was impressive.

Great college game.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: jr_3421 on December 18, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
He can sure shoot it but I worry about his ability to get to the rim
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: walker834 on December 18, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
I watched part of the game too. Comparing him to jerry west was a bit much though I thought.

Some of the hype on these guys needs to cool it a bit.  Not every one of these guys who has a great scoring game is the second coming of jesus.

Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 18, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
He can sure shoot it but I worry about his ability to get to the rim

He can get to the rim whenever he wants, especially in the NCAA. Bigger rim protectors in the NBA might contest his shot but theres no denying he can make the move to get there first.

My biggest problem with him is his size. For the Celtics I stay clear away from another undersized guard and if I am any other GM I am doing the same. I can't get behind your starting 2 guard being only 6 foot 3.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: walker834 on December 18, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
plus we have a guy named avery bradley.  never scored 47 points in college and a potential allstar this year at 6'2".

AB is insulted somewhere.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Who on December 18, 2016, 02:31:54 PM
Ben Gordon / CJ McCollum as a player comparison. Does that sound right?
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Evantime34 on December 18, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
Ben Gordon / CJ McCollum as a player comparison. Does that sound right?
Similar types of players but I think Monk will be significantly better than those guys. He's better than Murray and Booker imo.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Tr1boy on December 18, 2016, 02:47:33 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.

its just one game. Need to see more
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 18, 2016, 03:50:20 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.

its just one game. Need to see more
Monk has been playing well all season.  7 of 11 games scoring 20+ points including the games against Michigan State, UCLA and North Carolina.  He's what we wished James Young would be.     
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: chilidawg on December 18, 2016, 03:57:22 PM
Ben Gordon / CJ McCollum as a player comparison. Does that sound right?

McCollum is who he reminds me of.  Might be a little bigger, longer.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: KG Living Legend on December 18, 2016, 05:07:23 PM

 Monk is a great prospect. Worth noting though, he has a 40" vertical, however he's just  over 6'2" shoes off and has short arms, 6'3.5"

 Bradley 6'7" Wingspan
 Rozier 6'8"
 Smart 6'9"
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 18, 2016, 06:08:49 PM

 Monk is a great prospect. Worth noting though, he has a 40" vertical, however he's just  over 6'2" shoes off and has short arms, 6'3.5"

 Bradley 6'7" Wingspan
 Rozier 6'8"
 Smart 6'9"
I wouldn't believe that "official college team" wingspan measurement.  The other times he was measured show his wingspan as 6'6".  The "official college team" wingspan measurement for Fox is 6'4.5" when the other times he was measured show 6'6" and above.  Probably some insidious Calapari plan to try to retain his freshmen.   ;D   
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: KG Living Legend on December 18, 2016, 07:28:59 PM

 If that were the case, they should have hid his 42" max vertical...
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: vjcsmoke on December 19, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Fantastic performance, especially to help his team come from behind.

Obviously, it's just 1 great game though. 

Malik has to show more before we can say he's the next great shooter to enter the draft.

A lot of varying measurements here:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Monk-7243/

But if he's 6'3-6'4 with a 6'6-6'7 wingspan that's normal size for a shooting guard.

Monk doesn't have a lot of length but if he can keep shooting, moving, and scoring like that, he could turn himself into a really good player.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: nickagneta on December 19, 2016, 06:55:51 PM
Fantastic performance, especially to help his team come from behind.

Obviously, it's just 1 great game though. 

Malik has to show more before we can say he's the next great shooter to enter the draft.

A lot of varying measurements here:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Monk-7243/

But if he's 6'3-6'4 with a 6'6-6'7 wingspan that's normal size for a shooting guard.

Monk doesn't have a lot of length but if he can keep shooting, moving, and scoring like that, he could turn himself into a really good player.
Monk would be an undersized SG in the NBA. Don't we have enough of those.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Tr1boy on December 20, 2016, 08:31:32 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.

its just one game. Need to see more
Monk has been playing well all season.  7 of 11 games scoring 20+ points including the games against Michigan State, UCLA and North Carolina.  He's what we wished James Young would be.   

Seriously?
Take a look at what Young did in his freshman year.

Lets not jump the gun here
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 20, 2016, 09:12:03 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.

its just one game. Need to see more
Monk has been playing well all season.  7 of 11 games scoring 20+ points including the games against Michigan State, UCLA and North Carolina.  He's what we wished James Young would be.   

Seriously?
Take a look at what Young did in his freshman year.

Lets not jump the gun here
I watched plenty of Young in his freshman year and Monk is better skilled and more athletic.    People projected too much into Young.  He was never a top prospect.  Not a bad pick at #17 but he just hasn't worked out.  That's not to say Monk is a certain NBA success or that he should be who we take.  After his 47 point onslaught, Calapari was still on him about driving to the lane rather than settling for 3pt shots.  Have to see if he improves on that aspect of his offense.  Also need to see more from him defensively. 
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on December 20, 2016, 09:45:12 AM

 Monk is a great prospect. Worth noting though, he has a 40" vertical, however he's just  over 6'2" shoes off and has short arms, 6'3.5"

 Bradley 6'7" Wingspan
 Rozier 6'8"
 Smart 6'9"

We all know DA loves wingspan he's probably out.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Tr1boy on December 20, 2016, 09:51:35 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.

its just one game. Need to see more
Monk has been playing well all season.  7 of 11 games scoring 20+ points including the games against Michigan State, UCLA and North Carolina.  He's what we wished James Young would be.   

Seriously?
Take a look at what Young did in his freshman year.

Lets not jump the gun here
I watched plenty of Young in his freshman year and Monk is better skilled and more athletic.    People projected too much into Young.  He was never a top prospect. Not a bad pick at #17 but he just hasn't worked out.  That's not to say Monk is a certain NBA success or that he should be who we take.  After his 47 point onslaught, Calapari was still on him about driving to the lane rather than settling for 3pt shots.  Have to see if he improves on that aspect of his offense.  Also need to see more from him defensively.

Young was one of the top prospects out of HS

And also he helped Kentucky make the ncaa finals. You think thats easy?

Once Young is not brought back (at this rate) , i'm afraid the Celts will lose a nice nba player. Likely not a star but still
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 20, 2016, 07:25:25 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_d1pnwQlOw

47 points vs. UNC.

Really smooth stroke. Reminds me of a Bradley Beal/Khris Middleton hybrid. Is projected to go in the 5-10 range in the draft. Wouldnt be upset one bit if the Celts pick fell a bit and we got this kid. The NBA is really lacking good shooting guards in todays game, Monk could be one of the best in the league in a couple years i think.

its just one game. Need to see more
Monk has been playing well all season.  7 of 11 games scoring 20+ points including the games against Michigan State, UCLA and North Carolina.  He's what we wished James Young would be.   

Seriously?
Take a look at what Young did in his freshman year.

Lets not jump the gun here
I watched plenty of Young in his freshman year and Monk is better skilled and more athletic.    People projected too much into Young.  He was never a top prospect. Not a bad pick at #17 but he just hasn't worked out.  That's not to say Monk is a certain NBA success or that he should be who we take.  After his 47 point onslaught, Calapari was still on him about driving to the lane rather than settling for 3pt shots.  Have to see if he improves on that aspect of his offense.  Also need to see more from him defensively.

Young was one of the top prospects out of HS

And also he helped Kentucky make the ncaa finals. You think thats easy?

Once Young is not brought back (at this rate) , i'm afraid the Celts will lose a nice nba player. Likely not a star but still
Being a top HS prospect just means you get pursued by the top college programs.  It doesn't mean anything as far as the NBA draft.  Cliff Alexander was an even higher ranked HS prospect in his class and he went undrafted.   

Looking at this ranking, shows Young ranked 11 behind 4 of his team mates:  Randle, the Harrison brothers and Dakari Johnson.   I think they helped Kentucky make the NCAA finals too.  Which means little as far as the NBA draft and being a good NBA prospect. 
http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2013/

If Ainge and Stevens thought Young would develop into a good NBA player, he wouldn't have been shopped this offseason and the 4th year of his rookie contract would have been picked up.  I hate to break it to you but Mickey is probably next on the chopping block. 
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: walker834 on December 21, 2016, 10:40:55 AM
Malik Monk is a scorer and shooter.  The issue is we have Bradley and Rozier.   I don't see us taking this guy.

He was compared to jerry west. I more see Bradley Beal with him.  Nice player though.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: tankcity! on December 21, 2016, 11:22:34 AM
Not into his length. Didn't really impress me much in his 47 point game.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: walker834 on December 21, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
YEah he could be nick y oung for all we know right now.  He seems a bit longer and more athletic than that though.  Not Ray Allen's size.  Or even Beal but closer.   He's somewhere between a guy like Beal and Bradley.

He has a good game.  It's reminiscent of guys like Ray in how quick his release is.  I also think he's fairly athletic and a good basketball player. Not the defense Bradley has.

I still have no clue why we would even draft him though.  Particularly Rozier is that for us. Plus AB.  We have our guys in that regard.

Tony Delk is a decent comparison but more a sg like ray. his game reminds me of Ray Allen but he's much smaller.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: GreenShooter on December 21, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
Monk is a nice player to talk about and watch play. I don't know who the C's will pick (if anyone) next draft but I can tell you it won't this kid (even if we trade at least a couple from our current back court). We'll likely be picking in the top 5 and there are other prospects to keep an eye on that are better value.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Evantime34 on December 21, 2016, 05:43:34 PM
Monk is an electric scorer, he reminds me of Monta Ellis with an elite jumper. Lightning quick, great at creating his own shot. He could very well be the elite level scorer we have been waiting for.

His length might be troublesome defending twos, but if you put Marcus next to him then Monk can guard opposing ones.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: liam on December 22, 2016, 04:30:09 PM
Monk is an electric scorer, he reminds me of Monta Ellis with an elite jumper. Lightning quick, great at creating his own shot. He could very well be the elite level scorer we have been waiting for.

His length might be troublesome defending twos, but if you put Marcus next to him then Monk can guard opposing ones.

That is one of the best attributes of Smart. He can handle the ball as a point and guard bigger. He'd be great next to a smaller quicker scorer.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Tr1boy on December 26, 2016, 10:18:31 AM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 27, 2016, 12:53:36 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Tr1boy on December 27, 2016, 01:05:21 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Evantime34 on December 27, 2016, 01:13:42 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz
Having Monk at 5 seems reasonable to me. I agree that I would pick those guys above Monk and maybe Giles too, that doesn't mean that Monk won't end up being a stud.

By the time the draft happens I bet there will be a group of about 5 or 6 guys who will all be in the conversation for the best player in the class.

I think Monk can be a stud if he's in the right situation. I think playing him next to a big point guard who can defend 2's is the only way to maximize his talents. Him and Smart would fit great next to each other.

Honestly, I'd be very happy with Fultz, Tatum, Jackson, Ball, Monk or Giles. I could also see Isaac and Smith Jr. jumping into that group.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 27, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz

But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious, his percentages don't scream future superstar, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better, it's quicker, he goes to it more, and it goes in unlike Tatum's. He's just a nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG. These guys would be terrible for our spacing and they'll just get in the way of Jaylen's development, which would not be fair to him.

Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose to be in his third year, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Evantime34 on December 27, 2016, 01:24:34 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 27, 2016, 01:33:01 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

I did some comps on height and wingspan.

He's about the same size as Beal and Steph Curry. Smaller than Gordon, a bit smaller than Redick. Smaller than Hield. About the same as McCollum. Significantly smaller than Wade or Ray Allen, or Lavine.

So I think you're right that he's below average, but he's not out on the tail end of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 27, 2016, 01:34:52 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.

Um... so why wouldn't you take the guy that's been shooting great from distance and the free throw line? Like Monk? Just seems less about superstitious analytics and more about actual in-game production.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 27, 2016, 01:41:16 PM
Plus our defense is solid as is, we don't need to spend a #3 pick in the NBA draft on a swingman that can't shoot just to help switch on defense. What we need out of this draft is a guy that's going to give us the firepower we need to compete and what our defense needs is a Center to anchor it and stop us from giving away rebounds to guys laying on the floor. Where have you been? This has been the storyline like this whole season.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Evantime34 on December 27, 2016, 02:02:56 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.

Um... so why wouldn't you take the guy that's been shooting great from distance and the free throw line? Like Monk? Just seems less about superstitious analytics and more about actual in-game production.
Monk's in game production is strictly on the offensive end, Tatum long term can help you on the glass and on the defensive end. I think Tatum is the better all around player.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 27, 2016, 02:27:07 PM
Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.

Um... so why wouldn't you take the guy that's been shooting great from distance and the free throw line? Like Monk? Just seems less about superstitious analytics and more about actual in-game production.
Monk's in game production is strictly on the offensive end, Tatum long term can help you on the glass and on the defensive end. I think Tatum is the better all around player.

Like I said above man, you don't use the #3 pick in the draft on switch defense. Warriors are winning because they overwhelm their opponents with offense, the Cavs do this too. But Tatum is no LeBron, I don't see the assist numbers, so he must be shooting it right? Well his numbers are not efficient. So I don't know exactly how he'll push the needle for us. I do know that our second unit offense tends to stagnate, where we could use a scorer when Olynyk is having one of his 41 down games and Smart is back to his normal self. I
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: clevelandceltic on December 28, 2016, 12:29:48 PM
The Warriors have at least 3 plus defenders in their starting lineup. Yes they can score in bunches but they can actually defend.



Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.

Um... so why wouldn't you take the guy that's been shooting great from distance and the free throw line? Like Monk? Just seems less about superstitious analytics and more about actual in-game production.
Monk's in game production is strictly on the offensive end, Tatum long term can help you on the glass and on the defensive end. I think Tatum is the better all around player.

Like I said above man, you don't use the #3 pick in the draft on switch defense. Warriors are winning because they overwhelm their opponents with offense, the Cavs do this too. But Tatum is no LeBron, I don't see the assist numbers, so he must be shooting it right? Well his numbers are not efficient. So I don't know exactly how he'll push the needle for us. I do know that our second unit offense tends to stagnate, where we could use a scorer when Olynyk is having one of his 41 down games and Smart is back to his normal self. I
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 28, 2016, 12:38:21 PM
The Warriors have at least 3 plus defenders in their starting lineup. Yes they can score in bunches but they can actually defend.



Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.

Um... so why wouldn't you take the guy that's been shooting great from distance and the free throw line? Like Monk? Just seems less about superstitious analytics and more about actual in-game production.
Monk's in game production is strictly on the offensive end, Tatum long term can help you on the glass and on the defensive end. I think Tatum is the better all around player.

Like I said above man, you don't use the #3 pick in the draft on switch defense. Warriors are winning because they overwhelm their opponents with offense, the Cavs do this too. But Tatum is no LeBron, I don't see the assist numbers, so he must be shooting it right? Well his numbers are not efficient. So I don't know exactly how he'll push the needle for us. I do know that our second unit offense tends to stagnate, where we could use a scorer when Olynyk is having one of his 41 down games and Smart is back to his normal self. I

And we don't have that already? Please tell me what are Smart, AB, Crowder, and Horford. We need another big on defense dude, not a swingman. Jaylen was already drafted with the mindset that he will backup Crowder. Stevens said so himself. He's not going to give up after 1 year with Jaylen.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: clevelandceltic on December 28, 2016, 01:11:39 PM
No I think you are missing what Im saying. They have 2 top 10 offensive players that are plus defenders and a guy thats considered to be in the race for Defensive player of the year.

You mentioned Smart and AB but one of those guys sits when Monk is on the floor and its likely AB since Monk isnt a PG.

Im not sure what Brown has to do with anything. There is more room on this current team for taking Tatum than for Monk. Tatum can easily play in the Jerebko spot.

On another note, I dont think AB and Crowder can play next to each other long term because I think Crowders handle is waaaay to limited and AB isnt a playmaker. I am taking AB over Crowder thus me taking a wing even with Brown on the team.


The Warriors have at least 3 plus defenders in their starting lineup. Yes they can score in bunches but they can actually defend.



Monk has below average height, wingspan, strength for a SG

You know, Jordan Crawford once went off at a college game. 

Monk will be better but odds are stacked against him to perform the way he is now vs college players vs nba calibre player. Especially on the defensive end

Man, if he's better than a guy why even compare them? I feel like that's just a lazy way to disregard someone's talent. Monk's a pure scorer, whether CelticsBlog likes it or not. On a team that bolsters a 5'9" starting pg, 7 footer, with no wingspan and no big man game, the 3# pick with no touch or feel for the game, and the worst shooter in the nba who plays heavy minutes. Yeah, Boston has no right to all of a sudden become nitpicky about a player not being the perfect athlete.

If we get #2 we take Ball. If it's #3 again and Giles fell off the map, you take Monk.

Plenty i would take over monk at 2

Jackson, tatum, ball, fultz

I agree on Ball and Fultz
But Tatum is not a shooter. Let's be serious his percentages are Marcus Smart-esque, his midrange pull up everyone is getting so enamored with? Guess what? Monk's is better. He's just nice body like Jackson who's looking like another MKG.

 Dude, what gives? Is there no faith for Jaylen Brown? Who we JUST drafted, Or Jae Crowder who's under contract til' 2020?

Marcus Smart is not where he suppose, Terry Rozier has been looking really shaky lately, IT is due for a big payday in a year and a half. Danny would be a moron to not take one of Fultz, Ball, Monk.
Tatum shoots 92% from the 3 point line. Statistically NCAA free throw percentage is more predictive of NBA 3 point success than NCAA 3 point percentage.

Tatum and Brown can absolutely play together. The past few years our best defensive teams have been able to switch everything. Tatum and Brown's length and quickness allow them to switch screens and play together. Brown can play the 2-4 long term, Tatum can probably play the 3 and 4, Crowder can play the 3-4 (I'd be fine moving Crowder in a deal for a star or an upgrade in the frontcourt). If you spread those 3 guys minutes among shoot guard, small forward and power forward there are plenty of minutes to go around.

I'd prefer a wing to a pg. If we draft a pg, that means Isaiah or Smart is probably gone, if not this year then next. If we draft a wing, his ability to play multiple positions makes it more likely he can fit in wherever the roster needs it.

Um... so why wouldn't you take the guy that's been shooting great from distance and the free throw line? Like Monk? Just seems less about superstitious analytics and more about actual in-game production.
Monk's in game production is strictly on the offensive end, Tatum long term can help you on the glass and on the defensive end. I think Tatum is the better all around player.

Like I said above man, you don't use the #3 pick in the draft on switch defense. Warriors are winning because they overwhelm their opponents with offense, the Cavs do this too. But Tatum is no LeBron, I don't see the assist numbers, so he must be shooting it right? Well his numbers are not efficient. So I don't know exactly how he'll push the needle for us. I do know that our second unit offense tends to stagnate, where we could use a scorer when Olynyk is having one of his 41 down games and Smart is back to his normal self. I

And we don't have that already? Please tell me what are Smart, AB, Crowder, and Horford. We need another big on defense dude, not a swingman. Jaylen was already drafted with the mindset that he will backup Crowder. Stevens said so himself. He's not going to give up after 1 year with Jaylen.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: A Future of Stevens on December 28, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
After reading some of the csblog analysis on Monk, I decided to really put my watching glasses on and check the kid out for myself.

He looks like the second best scorer in the class, and by far the best pure scorer in the draft.

He looks like a super version of CJ Mcol. on the blazers. I'm not sure if he is what we need out of the draft, but a balls to the wall scorer is always a good thing. Especially a high efficiency dead eye one. He just looks like a gunner that might shoot you out of a few games.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on December 30, 2016, 05:48:49 PM
After reading some of the csblog analysis on Monk, I decided to really put my watching glasses on and check the kid out for myself.

He looks like the second best scorer in the class, and by far the best pure scorer in the draft.

He looks like a super version of CJ Mcol. on the blazers. I'm not sure if he is what we need out of the draft, but a balls to the wall scorer is always a good thing. Especially a high efficiency dead eye one. He just looks like a gunner that might shoot you out of a few games.

Dude is just a flatout monster of a scorer. Dropped 34 points just recently against a good team in ole miss. I think he can come in take up the role Gerald Green has now and Rozier lost.

https://youtu.be/P8pPMMF1zYg (https://youtu.be/P8pPMMF1zYg)
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: liam on December 30, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
After reading some of the csblog analysis on Monk, I decided to really put my watching glasses on and check the kid out for myself.

He looks like the second best scorer in the class, and by far the best pure scorer in the draft.

He looks like a super version of CJ Mcol. on the blazers. I'm not sure if he is what we need out of the draft, but a balls to the wall scorer is always a good thing. Especially a high efficiency dead eye one. He just looks like a gunner that might shoot you out of a few games.

Dude is just a flatout monster of a scorer. Dropped 34 points just recently against a good team in ole miss. I think he can come in take up the role Gerald Green has now and Rozier lost.

https://youtu.be/P8pPMMF1zYg (https://youtu.be/P8pPMMF1zYg)

Monk looks like something special. He can shoot lights out but he can handle and is crazy althetic. I guess the knocks are size and defense. He'd be a great running mate with Marcus Smart.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: chambers on December 30, 2016, 07:15:18 PM
He's looking good.
He's going to have to have a full season like this to really convince me given his physical credentials.

I'm not sure why people are so high on Lonzo Ball. Great player, but I don't put him in the same conversation as Fultz, Smith and Tatum.
In fact I'd take Monk over Ball at this point.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on January 04, 2017, 01:30:13 PM
After reading some of the csblog analysis on Monk, I decided to really put my watching glasses on and check the kid out for myself.

He looks like the second best scorer in the class, and by far the best pure scorer in the draft.

He looks like a super version of CJ Mcol. on the blazers. I'm not sure if he is what we need out of the draft, but a balls to the wall scorer is always a good thing. Especially a high efficiency dead eye one. He just looks like a gunner that might shoot you out of a few games.

Dude is just a flatout monster of a scorer. Dropped 34 points just recently against a good team in ole miss. I think he can come in take up the role Gerald Green has now and Rozier lost.

https://youtu.be/P8pPMMF1zYg (https://youtu.be/P8pPMMF1zYg)

Monk looks like something special. He can shoot lights out but he can handle and is crazy althetic. I guess the knocks are size and defense. He'd be a great running mate with Marcus Smart.

I liked that in and out behind the back to freeze the guy in transition, then the crazy finish through contact was just really promising. Monk seems to me like the only guy that's trying to slit his opponents throat, the other guard prospects are taking it real light, having more smooth scoring games like Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr. Monk isn't trying to pass like those guys though.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: CelticGuardian on January 04, 2017, 01:31:39 PM
He's looking good.
He's going to have to have a full season like this to really convince me given his physical credentials.

I'm not sure why people are so high on Lonzo Ball. Great player, but I don't put him in the same conversation as Fultz, Smith and Tatum.
In fact I'd take Monk over Ball at this point.

It's really hard to see who's the best player out of these guys. Monk is making a serious case early though. That ole miss had some length on them, They aren't freaks like Monk though. So we still have to see more of these guys.
Title: Re: Malik Monk is a stud.
Post by: Tr1boy on January 04, 2017, 01:33:29 PM
He's looking good.
He's going to have to have a full season like this to really convince me given his physical credentials.

I'm not sure why people are so high on Lonzo Ball. Great player, but I don't put him in the same conversation as Fultz, Smith and Tatum.
In fact I'd take Monk over Ball at this point.

It's really hard to see who's the best player out of these guys. Monk is making a serious case early though. That ole miss had some length on them, They aren't freaks like Monk though. So we still have to see more of these guys.

Good offensive player... Just very slim and doesnt have good size/height at the 2 guard spot. .

Dont think Celts will reach for him unless he goes off in the tourney
Title: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 21, 2017, 03:09:29 PM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: Tr1boy on January 21, 2017, 03:18:01 PM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60

Monk dribble stop and pop is excellent

his long d shooting is good

good at driving in for layups utilizing long wingspan/reach (looks longer than measurement indicates)

but a few problems

1) he will try to shoot out of slumps...just shoot and shoot and shoot

2) AB is a better defender.  Monk is an ok defender. Effort is there.   But only able to guard sg or pg due to skinny body.  And has issues defending against thick/strong guards

overall I think CBS/Danny will be intrigued....but won't reach for him with a top 4 pick.
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: alewilliam789 on January 21, 2017, 03:23:44 PM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60

I like Monk, but not within the top 3 which is most likely where our pick will be. To me if you want to pick someone to lighten up the scoring load and also bring in someone that will become a very good defender in the future would be Tatum. To me there's no other player that has the potential both ways that Tatum has. He has a chance to be a less explosive Paul George which to me is absolutely worth a top 3 pick.
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: Tr1boy on January 21, 2017, 03:33:37 PM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60

I like Monk, but not within the top 3 which is most likely where our pick will be. To me if you want to pick someone to lighten up the scoring load and also bring in someone that will become a very good defender in the future would be Tatum. To me there's no other player that has the potential both ways that Tatum has. He has a chance to be a less explosive Paul George which to me is absolutely worth a top 3 pick.

Disagree...they have different bodytypes.  George is a better shooter.   George is a SG/SF while Tatum is a SF/PF.... Tatum compares better to Jabari Parker, Tobias Harris imo
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: chilidawg on January 22, 2017, 10:38:43 AM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60

I like Monk, but not within the top 3 which is most likely where our pick will be. To me if you want to pick someone to lighten up the scoring load and also bring in someone that will become a very good defender in the future would be Tatum. To me there's no other player that has the potential both ways that Tatum has. He has a chance to be a less explosive Paul George which to me is absolutely worth a top 3 pick.

Disagree...they have different bodytypes.  George is a better shooter.   George is a SG/SF while Tatum is a SF/PF.... Tatum compares better to Jabari Parker, Tobias Harris imo

Was George a better shooter as a college freshman?  Just looked it up to answer my own question.  He actually was a good shooter as a freshman, 48/45/70.  Significantly worse as a sophomore, 42/35/91, which is maybe why he didn't get picked as high.

Personally I do think the George comparison is a good one.  That would be as a ceiling for Tatum.
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: Smartacus on January 22, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Defensively it's no comparison, AB has always been touted as an excellent defender since AAU and that goes beyond wingspan. Bradley has the defensive instincts and fast twitch reflexes that can't be taught. IMO Monk will never defend at Bradley's level and for that matter he'll never be asked to.

But It's not all about defense.

Monk is a microwave and has the capability to shoot AB off the court most nights. He has the scorer's mindset and the range to put up high volume output. Malik Monk is a pure scoring guard, and could be an extremely useful piece as a super rookie off the bench for this team with room to grow into the starting role.

I'd probably take him as early as 4 after Jackson and tied with Smith and Tatum.
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: Smitty77 on January 22, 2017, 11:45:56 AM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60

I like Monk, but not within the top 3 which is most likely where our pick will be. To me if you want to pick someone to lighten up the scoring load and also bring in someone that will become a very good defender in the future would be Tatum. To me there's no other player that has the potential both ways that Tatum has. He has a chance to be a less explosive Paul George which to me is absolutely worth a top 3 pick.

Disagree...they have different bodytypes.  George is a better shooter.   George is a SG/SF while Tatum is a SF/PF.... Tatum compares better to Jabari Parker, Tobias Harris imo

Please review Jonathan Isaac!!!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: Smitty77 on January 22, 2017, 11:50:47 AM

 Fultz would be a perfect fit because he has almost no holes in his game. He's going #1 though.

 This kid brings one skill to the table that we need. Scoring. If you watch the highlights, most of the shots rip the net and nothing else.

 It freaked me out his wingspan was so short at Kentucky's pro day.

 In reality it was 6'6" every other time he measured it. Bradley has a 6'7" wingspan.

 Monk has a 42" vertical and is an insanely athletic player. He has the potential to be a great on ball defender as well.
 
 If we really want to help Thomas out with the shooting and scoring load, Monk could be the answer. His tape is ridiculous.

 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=2NkCHna7q60

I like Monk, but not within the top 3 which is most likely where our pick will be. To me if you want to pick someone to lighten up the scoring load and also bring in someone that will become a very good defender in the future would be Tatum. To me there's no other player that has the potential both ways that Tatum has. He has a chance to be a less explosive Paul George which to me is absolutely worth a top 3 pick.

Disagree...they have different bodytypes.  George is a better shooter.   George is a SG/SF while Tatum is a SF/PF.... Tatum compares better to Jabari Parker, Tobias Harris imo

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jonathan-isaacs-rapid-ascent-makes-florida-state-even-scarier-052042339.html

And yesterday he goes for 16 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 blocks vs. Louisville!!!!

He is the REAL DEAL!!!

All he needs is a little weight and some strength and he will be a perennial All-Star and the next STAR in Boston!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: vgulab on January 22, 2017, 12:02:33 PM
I really like Monk, i see him as a more athletic Beal. But the reality is that the BRK pick won't be lower than 3 and Monk will end up in the range 5-8. So unless some trade happen i don't see how he can be a Celtic
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 22, 2017, 12:15:22 PM
I really like Monk, i see him as a more athletic Beal. But the reality is that the BRK pick won't be lower than 3 and Monk will end up in the range 5-8. So unless some trade happen i don't see how he can be a Celtic

As of today the most likely single outcome for the BKN pick is #4, actually.
Title: Re: Malik Monk = Super Avery Bradley
Post by: RAAAAAAAANDY on January 22, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
I really like Monk, i see him as a more athletic Beal. But the reality is that the BRK pick won't be lower than 3 and Monk will end up in the range 5-8. So unless some trade happen i don't see how he can be a Celtic

As of today the most likely single outcome for the BKN pick is #4, actually.

But it's more likely than not a top 3 pick, so the original point was correct.
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: Tr1boy on February 01, 2017, 09:02:45 AM
Good game last night... 37 pts

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=K8OAiHpwbN4
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: greece66 on February 01, 2017, 09:21:12 AM
Just wanted to say how pleased I am with the merged threads.

Much easier to find what you want this way.

Good job mods!
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: hardlyyardley on February 25, 2017, 04:55:33 PM
If we drop to 4, I would not be upset with Monk, Jayson Tatum or Jackson
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: Tr1boy on February 26, 2017, 06:07:42 PM
If we drop to 4, I would not be upset with Monk, Jayson Tatum or Jackson

I want both Jackson and Monk
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 26, 2017, 06:08:33 PM
If we drop to 4, I would not be upset with Monk, Jayson Tatum or Jackson
I dont want Monk. Would be ecstatic with either of the other 2.
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: liam on February 26, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
I love Monk and think he'll be a special scorer in the NBA but I think we'll be picking too high for where he'll be drafted.
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: CelticsElite on May 30, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
This guy has limitless range. Are teams going to regret passing on him because of his height? Reminds me of IT
Title: Re: Malik Monk Thread (Merged)
Post by: tazzmaniac on May 30, 2017, 07:43:20 PM
This guy has limitless range. Are teams going to regret passing on him because of his height? Reminds me of IT
Monk shoots well and is a good athlete. That's about it.  His negatives are lack of height/length, poor defense, mediocre at best ball handling, passing, decision making and shot creation.  For most teams, there is a good chance he tops out as an off the bench scorer.  He could work for the Sixers since they need shooting and Embiid would backstop his Monk's poor defense.