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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on December 13, 2016, 05:45:15 AM
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Three franchises point guards. I wasn't a believer until tonight. That Windmill dunk to end the game. Someone please post it.
He's not tall, he's not long, but he's an unreal athlete. You might not want to hear this but he might be Isaiah on steroids. I think IT actually has a longer Wingspan by a smidge.
This kid is a terror going to the rim. He's still my least favorite out if Fultz, Ball and Him, but he's gaining ground quickly.
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https://youtu.be/4qZZfHjg6TA
This isn't a great view. His head was 6" from the rim. He's got Iverson like potential.
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I watched most of that game. Tennessee State contained Smith most of the game and he shot 7-19. He has been the least impressive top prospect to me so far. In the games I've seen, he's had difficulty getting to and finishing at the rim in the half court offense. Fultz and Ball are well ahead of Smith. I really like Fox so I'd put him ahead of Smith right now too.
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Another score-first guard ....
Remember when they said the rule changes would make a change away from score-first guards like Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury to more Steve Nash pass-first PGs?
Boy, has that one backfired.
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Anyone else reminded a bit of Dajuan Wagner when watching Dennis Smith?
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Here's a better view of the dunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtS6gIDSoPU
Watching him play makes me kind of want to trade Isaiah tbh. He's go that superstar swag to him, definitely a number 1 pick talent, but luckily there are about 5 number 1 pick talents in this years draft.
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Go Pack!!!! My oldest graduated from NCSU in Chemical Engineering and my son is a Freshman this year majoring in Electrical Engineering and minoring in Nano-Science and Technology!!!
That being said, Dennis is not the best distributor.
I am anxious to see how he runs the pick and roll with our NOW-ELIGIBLE Turkish center, projected to go 22 on draftexpress.com. That will tell me more.
He is VERY raw at this point.
Not ready to help immediately, but IF we draft him, I would LOVE to be PROVEN WRONG:-)))
Smitty77
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Here's a better view of the dunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtS6gIDSoPU
Watching him play makes me kind of want to trade Isaiah tbh. He's go that superstar swag to him, definitely a number 1 pick talent, but luckily there are about 5 number 1 pick talents in this years draft.
TP for the video brother. I appreciate it. The kid has that Allen Iverson type talent that you just can't teach he's got a chance to be special.
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Iverson dunk. I forgot it was a outback Dunk.
https://youtu.be/Ozb-h1Kj5es
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Here's a better view of the dunk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtS6gIDSoPU
Watching him play makes me kind of want to trade Isaiah tbh. He's go that superstar swag to him, definitely a number 1 pick talent, but luckily there are about 5 number 1 pick talents in this years draft.
TP for the video brother. I appreciate it. The kid has that Allen Iverson type talent that you just can't teach he's got a chance to be special.
Not only does he have the talent, he has the poise and guts to hit the big shots at such a young age, great leadership, never out of control, and has unreal athleticism. Everything I want in a point guard. I cannot wait until draft day...
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Another score-first guard ....
Remember when they said the rule changes would make a change away from score-first guards like Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury to more Steve Nash pass-first PGs?
Boy, has that one backfired.
I think refs generally are too willing to give shooting fouls to guards (Isaiah included) who go inside unless you get hacked, it's play on.
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Sometimes I don't think people on this board are real.
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Sometimes I don't think people on this board are real.
What exactly are you referring to Celtic?
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Smith looked good last night. Was getting in the lane and fouled (ala Isaiah). Made a couple of unforced turnovers but that's not unexpected from a freshman PG. Game was a blowout so he wasn't out the whole game and put up 24(?) points. He is VERY quick.
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Another STUD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJjHGWv2m4
love smith and this guy.
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Sometimes I don't think people on this board are real.
What exactly are you referring to Celtic?
Westworld overdose reaction.
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Amazing player. He looks like Westbrook. But if I wanted westbrook I would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qZZfHjg6TA
Some guys are great though. KG wasn't exactly a guy who was at a lack for words but even still. Marcus still might not have that kind of explosiveness but the game can be played in different ways.
I like character. Marcus going into the stands was different.
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Franchise potential player. Looks like he's just having fun but we have to pick the right ones.
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Marcus keeping it real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5sGdUIC-X8
Thing is I saw that incident with Marcus completely different. He was p---ed.
I like Marcus better... No good deed goes unpunished.
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Amazing player. He looks like Westbrook. But if I wanted westbrook I would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qZZfHjg6TA
Some guys are great though. KG wasn't exactly a guy who was at a lack for words but even still. Marcus still might not have that kind of explosiveness but the game can be played in different ways.
I like character. Marcus going into the stands was different.
Huh? A grown man called Marcus the n-word right to his face. Marcus pushes (not punches) him, and yet the country pretended like Marcus committed a cardinal sin. The fans actions should be criminal.
If I were 6'4, 220 and someone disrespected me like that, I would have done far more.
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That's what I said. Marcus is a way better person.
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Amazing player. He looks like Westbrook. But if I wanted westbrook I would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qZZfHjg6TA
Some guys are great though. KG wasn't exactly a guy who was at a lack for words but even still. Marcus still might not have that kind of explosiveness but the game can be played in different ways.
I like character. Marcus going into the stands was different.
Huh? A grown man called Marcus the n-word right to his face. Marcus pushes (not punches) him, and yet the country pretended like Marcus committed a cardinal sin. The fans actions should be criminal.
If I were 6'4, 220 and someone disrespected me like that, I would have done far more.
Hes 6'2" and probably 240 pounds now. I hope Smart doesn't turn into mini Sullinger. Hrs trending in that direction.
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Apparently at the combine he measured at 6ft 3.25 w/ shoes on (he plays with shoes on the court). He def. has gained weight. While it seems like he's missing a step on his drives (at least compared to the ultra quick IT and JB), his lateral quickness looks fine on defense.
Dennis Smith looks good, not great. Same with Fultz and Lonzo. I'm definitely not as excited about these 3 pgs as many other people. I don't think that any of them are as good as Westbrook. Fultz might be as good as Lillard, in my opinion. If so, he's worthy of the #1 pick.
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Marcus is the same size he's always been. He's just built like that.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/12/with_isaiah_thomas_out_marcus_smart_develops_as_point_guard
“I think the one thing I always felt — and this is not being critical of Marcus; this is just, I think, for his development — is that he’s a guy that thrives more in competitive situations,” Donovan said. “And I always felt like if he could take that competitiveness to skill work — his shooting, his ballhandling — the sky’s the limit as to how good he can be.
“The thing that I was so impressed with was any time we did anything competitively, the whole disposition in the gym totally changed.
“He has got a great team awareness. He’s great with the guys. He’s got great leadership qualities. But he’s a guy that enjoys practice when there’s score being kept. When there’s a score being kept, he is on and he plays and he’s relentless. I really appreciated being around him for two summers to see that.”
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This kid is SPECIAL!!!!
Smitty77
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Which one? haha.
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NOt knocking Smith either. He's super talented but more cocky like westbrook.
I'll take Smart though. If we get both sure thing but I don't see why we'd do that.
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NOt knocking Smith either. He's super talented but more cocky like westbrook.
I'll take Smart though. If we get both sure thing but I don't see why we'd do that.
I agree. His shot is not broken. If he can hit a couple more shots per game, he becomes starter worthy. He is not as poor of a shooter/passer as Tony Allen.
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I do not see why the celtics would move smart and draft a pg as far as the future is concerned.
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It's amazing to me how much more athletic or faster some of these guys look to marcus though. But character and mental makeup is a big thing. It's weird how the celtics draft. Even if you watch that other footage i posted. Marcus keeps the ball moving, seems to know where to be etc..
The celtics have always drafted this way. They don't find the usual players. Brown is a supreme athlete but even he is wired differently.
Usually guys I want to root for.
MArcus may not be the fastest guy but he is still built for the nba imo as well. Even Bradley. Super athlete that is overlooked but different.
We've been drafting later which does not but even at the top of drafts we don't take the usual suspect.
I don't mean character in the grant hill, karl anthony towns, shane battier way either. I mean it in that something else that drives these players sort of way.
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. Can get to the basket with ease. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
honestly, he reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of Smart.
I wonder if Smith Jr. would be able to still get his against NBA players?
Marcus, once upon a time, filled it up against college kids too...
Smith Jr. might prove to be tough to play with if you have to hide him on defense. He seems a step slow to cover NBA points, and too small to switch onto swings.
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
honestly, he reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of Smart.
I wonder if Smith Jr. would be able to still get his against NBA players?
Marcus, once upon a time, filled it up against college kids too...
Smith Jr. might prove to be tough to play with if you have to hide him on defense. He seems a step slow to cover NBA points, and too small to switch onto swings.
really???
Smith is much quicker/explosive/fast twitch on the offensive end than smart.
Better ball handler too
I also think both can work well together off the bench
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
honestly, he reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of Smart.
I wonder if Smith Jr. would be able to still get his against NBA players?
Marcus, once upon a time, filled it up against college kids too...
Smith Jr. might prove to be tough to play with if you have to hide him on defense. He seems a step slow to cover NBA points, and too small to switch onto swings.
really???
Smith is much quicker/explosive/fast twitch on the offensive end than smart.
Better ball handler too
I also think both can work well together off the bench
I have a tough time judging college players.
Smart looked like Damien Lillard at OKC, very similar to how Smith Jr. now looks like Westbrook Jr. against college players.
How will they do against pros?
Folks last year were claiming Kriss Dunn as the second coming of Dwayne Wade, based on his college highlights. How's that working out?
I've seen enough of these college crops to know in very few cases does it actually translate. Smith Jr. has some game though, and like Smart, he has a knack for the big moment. He can shoot better too, it seems. But he's not as big/strong and doesn't seem to have the same potential for prolific defense that Marcus did/does.
I think that limits him. Athletically, no one matches the NBA's elite players. That could be where Smith Jr struggles at the next level, particularly on defense.
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The best comparison I've seen for Smith is Steve Francis.
I'm fine with selecting him at like 6 and then trading Rozier. The problem is, Smart isn't as valuable as an off ball player, so drafting a point guard might mean the end of Rozier and Smart or Thomas.
I'd rather have Fultz, Tatum, Jackson, Ball, and Monk over Smith. I wouldn't want to take him above any of those guys. Position wise, I'd rather have a wing like Jackson/Tatum or an off ball scorer like Monk or even a great big like Giles (if he's healthy) than a point guard. Point guard is both deep on our team and deep league wide.
That being said, if a pg is better relative to league wide pg than any of the other players are relative to their position then you draft a pg.
Ball and Fultz are guys I'd be willing to move on from Smart/Rozier maybe eventually Thomas for, not sure I feel that way about Smith (but I reserve the right to change my mind)
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
honestly, he reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of Smart.
I wonder if Smith Jr. would be able to still get his against NBA players?
Marcus, once upon a time, filled it up against college kids too...
Smith Jr. might prove to be tough to play with if you have to hide him on defense. He seems a step slow to cover NBA points, and too small to switch onto swings.
really???
Smith is much quicker/explosive/fast twitch on the offensive end than smart.
Better ball handler too
I also think both can work well together off the bench
I have a tough time judging college players.
Smart looked like Damien Lillard at OKC, very similar to how Smith Jr. now looks like Westbrook Jr. against college players.
How will they do against pros?
Folks last year were claiming Kriss Dunn as the second coming of Dwayne Wade, based on his college highlights. How's that working out?
I've seen enough of these college crops to know in very few cases does it actually translate. Smith Jr. has some game though, and like Smart, he has a knack for the big moment. He can shoot better too, it seems. But he's not as big/strong and doesn't seem to have the same potential for prolific defense that Marcus did/does.
I think that limits him. Athletically, no one matches the NBA's elite players. That could be where Smith Jr struggles at the next level, particularly on defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Go to the last 10 sec of this highlight
Can Smart do this?
Dunn is no dwade. No way. Not as explosive nor strong. He is not a SG either
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
honestly, he reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of Smart.
I wonder if Smith Jr. would be able to still get his against NBA players?
Marcus, once upon a time, filled it up against college kids too...
Smith Jr. might prove to be tough to play with if you have to hide him on defense. He seems a step slow to cover NBA points, and too small to switch onto swings.
really???
Smith is much quicker/explosive/fast twitch on the offensive end than smart.
Better ball handler too
I also think both can work well together off the bench
I have a tough time judging college players.
Smart looked like Damien Lillard at OKC, very similar to how Smith Jr. now looks like Westbrook Jr. against college players.
How will they do against pros?
Folks last year were claiming Kriss Dunn as the second coming of Dwayne Wade, based on his college highlights. How's that working out?
I've seen enough of these college crops to know in very few cases does it actually translate. Smith Jr. has some game though, and like Smart, he has a knack for the big moment. He can shoot better too, it seems. But he's not as big/strong and doesn't seem to have the same potential for prolific defense that Marcus did/does.
I think that limits him. Athletically, no one matches the NBA's elite players. That could be where Smith Jr struggles at the next level, particularly on defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Go to the last 10 sec of this highlight
Can Smart do this?
Dunn is no dwade. No way. Not as explosive nor strong. He is not a SG either
the windmill dunk? with no defender in site?
I tend to look for different attributes when evaluating players.
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Dannis Smith so far from what I have seen , looks like a shorter wingspan, a tad slower version of Russel Westbrook (check out highlights below if you have not seen Smith Jr. before). Just an electric player regardless. Really quick out on the open floor. But I'm surprised as to how decent his play has been in the halfcourt. Doesn't force up too many bad shots and passes the ball to the open man. An improved shooter than past reputation indicates.
Lets say the Celts pick outside of the top 3 at the 2017 draft. I think Smith is the type of player that makes sense in terms of talent level, potential and insurance (in case IT4 gets injured or walks during FA). Rozier can always be traded. During FA period next season try to sign a PF like Ibaka or plan 2, Patrick Patterson (plan 3 , rush Yabu, Zizic)
#4 Dennis Smith Jr. 6'2, 200 pounds.
Highlights
Dennis Smith JR. (NC State) Highlights vs Tennessee St // 12.10.16 // 19 Pts, 6 Ast, 4 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Dennis Smith JR. vs Loyola (chi) // 11.26.16 // 30 Pts, 7 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IyH7zClT8
honestly, he reminds me of a smaller, less athletic version of Smart.
I wonder if Smith Jr. would be able to still get his against NBA players?
Marcus, once upon a time, filled it up against college kids too...
Smith Jr. might prove to be tough to play with if you have to hide him on defense. He seems a step slow to cover NBA points, and too small to switch onto swings.
really???
Smith is much quicker/explosive/fast twitch on the offensive end than smart.
Better ball handler too
I also think both can work well together off the bench
I have a tough time judging college players.
Smart looked like Damien Lillard at OKC, very similar to how Smith Jr. now looks like Westbrook Jr. against college players.
How will they do against pros?
Folks last year were claiming Kriss Dunn as the second coming of Dwayne Wade, based on his college highlights. How's that working out?
I've seen enough of these college crops to know in very few cases does it actually translate. Smith Jr. has some game though, and like Smart, he has a knack for the big moment. He can shoot better too, it seems. But he's not as big/strong and doesn't seem to have the same potential for prolific defense that Marcus did/does.
I think that limits him. Athletically, no one matches the NBA's elite players. That could be where Smith Jr struggles at the next level, particularly on defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-NoNL6yAzI
Go to the last 10 sec of this highlight
Can Smart do this?
Dunn is no dwade. No way. Not as explosive nor strong. He is not a SG either
the windmill dunk? with no defender in site?
I tend to look for different attributes when evaluating players.
I understand why you maybe skeptical about some of these prospects. And yes against inferior talent many nba role players can even look like superstars
But Smith Jr. Is a higher offensive talent than Smart or Rozier.
Smith Jr. 1st of all doesnt force up bad shots frequently nor has shown is inefficient on the floor. Something smart and rozier did/was at the college level.
Dunn took 3 seasons to put it together at the college level. and like Smart had to bump and grind, force buckets in near the basket . At the nba level you cant do this frequently (unless exceptional stront talent) considering how strong, athletic, smart big players are
Smith Jr. Gets by his man with ease (college level). And can make westbrook like athletic buckets. Top body control plus hangtime plus skills to put the ball in. As well in transition looks like is running at 75 percent. Rozier is fast too but just doesnt have 'sure ' handles. Plus is just a mediocre passer
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Smith drops 32 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals AT Duke!!!!
He is getting closer and closer to his explosive self pre-ACL injury!!!!
Smitty77
P.S. Tatum had a dunk that barely got over the rim!!! He does NOT look to have much vertical at ALL!!!!!
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Smith drops 32 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals AT Duke!!!!
He is getting closer and closer to his explosive self pre-ACL injury!!!!
Smitty77
P.S. Tatum had a dunk that barely got over the rim!!! He does NOT look to have much vertical at ALL!!!!!
I hear you man, I talked myself out of Tatum already.
DSJ looks nice but with IT it's just not a great fit.
Can you imagine a Dennis Smith JR, and Thomas starting backcourt?
It would be explosive and they could avg 55 points a game, but tiny. They might allow 60 points per game.
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Smith drops 32 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals AT Duke!!!!
He is getting closer and closer to his explosive self pre-ACL injury!!!!
Smitty77
P.S. Tatum had a dunk that barely got over the rim!!! He does NOT look to have much vertical at ALL!!!!!
Smitty - Tatum has PLENTY of vertical. He took off from pretty far out on that play and absorbed contact. He's a tremendous SF prospect and who can easily get his own shot at will. He's also a very good rebounder and emerging defender. Smith is an excellent prospect too, but I'd like to see him get his teammates involved more and bring it on the defensive end.
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If you take Smith...IT is gone...not my first choice.
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I am NOT saying we should take Smith!!!! The LAST thing, IMHO, we need is another guard!!!
I think the ACC will have two players taken in the top 4, Smith and Isaac!!!
I WANT Isaac very badly!!!!
Smitty77
P.S. I am just thrilled for NC State and for my son who is a freshman there and is out celebrating!!!
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I am NOT saying we should take Smith!!!! The LAST thing, IMHO, we need is another guard!!!
I think the ACC will have two players taken in the top 4, Smith and Isaac!!!
I WANT Isaac very badly!!!!
Smitty77
P.S. I am just thrilled for NC State and for my son who is a freshman there and is out celebrating!!!
Cool! I like Isaac too.
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I am NOT saying we should take Smith!!!! The LAST thing, IMHO, we need is another guard!!!
I think the ACC will have two players taken in the top 4, Smith and Isaac!!!
I WANT Isaac very badly!!!!
Smitty77
P.S. I am just thrilled for NC State and for my son who is a freshman there and is out celebrating!!!
Cool! I like Isaac too.
Great minds:-))) Isaac chose FSU due to their weight training program. He came in at 185 pounds and is up to 210. Still VERY skinny, but putting the pounds on!! He is an excellent interior AND exterior defender!!!!
Smitty77
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I'm really really high in Smith. I think he can be a Lillard type player, maybe better. If we didn't have Isaiah I might have him over fultz just because he has this toughness and swagger to him that I love in point guards.
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I'm really really high in Smith. I think he can be a Lillard type player, maybe better. If we didn't have Isaiah I might have him over fultz just because he has this toughness and swagger to him that I love in point guards.
I hear ya!!! I just worry about that knee!!!
Smitty77
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I've been telling guys that Tatum is too below the rim for the next level. Glad to see more guys turn up tho... All these monster games, has any previous draft classes feature so many impressive game logs from freshman players? A week doesn't go by without them dropping 30 points, or stuffing the stat sheets.
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
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Can tell your pumped Smitty, TP and gratz to NC State!
Great point about Isaac in the weight training program. That's interesting and how often do you hear about thin prospects that would be good if they would just hit the weight room? I'm liking the idea of Isaac more and more. Cheers!
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Can tell your pumped Smitty, TP and gratz to NC State!
Great point about Isaac in the weight training program. That's interesting and how often do you hear about thin prospects that would be good if they would just hit the weight room. I'm liking the idea of Isaac more and more. Cheers!
Thanks so much!!!
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Now I love this kid.
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Smith could join Ball and Fultz. It's pretty much every draft expert's opinion that Ball and Fultz are the two guys who have super star beyond all star ability. Smith moving up to that list would be good since it expands our chances at a tier 1 player.
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Nah Pho. Smith is not on Fultz Level yet.
6'10" wingspan for Fultz. Smith is 6'3" arm length.
Fultz has potential to guard three positions. Hes more well rounded and the first pick.
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Nah Pho. Smith is not on Fultz Level yet.
6'10" wingspan for Fultz. Smith is 6'3" arm length.
Fultz has potential to guard three positions. Hes more well rounded and the first pick.
Yeah, if we don't get #1, Smith could be a nice consolation prize. I think he'll be a great pro -- he's got that no-fear, big-game attitude. But Fultz is #1, and I don't think anyone's catching him. He's got the game and the measurables.
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Agreed Salt. You got any good comps for Smith?
I'm thinking he has Steve Francis like hops, and he's got some Iverson in him too.
Not Iverson quick, but almost. More powerful than Iverson. Kids so explosive.
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The dunk at the end of the game.
https://mobile.twitter.com/marilyn_payne/status/823716739871543297/video/1
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Smith's competition is much better than the teams Fultz is playing against at Washington.
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Agreed Salt. You got any good comps for Smith?
I'm thinking he's like a Steve Francis Kevin Johnson hybrid.
Stevie Franchise is a decent one. Honestly, a 5-inch taller IT seems like a good comp too. He's going to score a lot of points in the NBA. Definitely brings his best game when the lights are brightest.
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Agreed Salt. You got any good comps for Smith?
I'm thinking he's like a Steve Francis Kevin Johnson hybrid.
Stevie Franchise is a decent one. Honestly, a 5-inch taller IT seems like a good comp too. He's going to score a lot of points in the NBA. Definitely brings his best game when the lights are brightest.
Here's the million dollar question though.
In this New NBA where guards matter could you ever envision Thomas and Smith JR starting together.
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Smith's competition is much better than the teams Fultz is playing against at Washington.
It's true Pho, but honestly could you do it.
Could you really take Dennis Smith JR number one Overall over Fultz.
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Smith's competition is much better than the teams Fultz is playing against at Washington.
Better, yes. Much better, no. The PAC 12 has some fine teams in UCLA, Oregon, and Arizona, and Washington also went up against #3 Gonzaga early in the year. All four of those teams are currently in the top 10. NC State only has Florida St and UNC as top 10 opponents this year. Their strengths of schedule are about 50 places from each other, but both are above average (57th and 112th), which isn't a huge difference in the middle of the pack.
Both players/teams still have most of their best opponents in front of them.
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These guard prospects are exciting me, especially Fultz and Smith, not as high on Ball, but it just sucks that there's no real standout big for us in this draft.
If we don't trade one or both of the Brooklyn picks and don't pick up any other core big in a trade, such as a Cousins or Noel type, I think it's absolutely essential that we land a core big in next year's draft.
I'm so tired of this Celtics team lacking in the big department, and it's seemingly something that we've had to deal with for years now, even dating back to the latter part of the Big-3 era.
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Yeah Fultz is just ridiculous. So smooth so effortlessly. I think it's funny some people question his level of athleticism.
It's there. He's the real deal. There is a clip of him Taking flight from the free throw line.
It's like he doesn't even need to show his whole bag of tricks. He's so crafty he just doesn't need to dunk on you.
You see his freakish athleticism more on defense. Chase down blocks.
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These guard prospects are exciting me, especially Fultz and Smith, not as high on Ball, but it just sucks that there's no real standout big for us in this draft.
If we don't trade one or both of the Brooklyn picks and don't pick up any other core big in a trade, such as a Cousins or Noel type, I think it's absolutely essential that we land a core big in next year's draft.
I'm so tired of this Celtics team lacking in the big department, and it's seemingly something that we've had to deal with for years now, even dating back to the latter part of the Big-3 era.
Man I feel you pain. On top of it our coach wants four guys 6'3" and under in there at all times. Oh well one day we will be forced to take a big athletic freak.
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These guard prospects are exciting me, especially Fultz and Smith, not as high on Ball, but it just sucks that there's no real standout big for us in this draft.
If we don't trade one or both of the Brooklyn picks and don't pick up any other core big in a trade, such as a Cousins or Noel type, I think it's absolutely essential that we land a core big in next year's draft.
I'm so tired of this Celtics team lacking in the big department, and it's seemingly something that we've had to deal with for years now, even dating back to the latter part of the Big-3 era.
Great bigs are hard to come by. Imagine if IT is being discussed in a Cousins trade?
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These guard prospects are exciting me, especially Fultz and Smith, not as high on Ball, but it just sucks that there's no real standout big for us in this draft.
If we don't trade one or both of the Brooklyn picks and don't pick up any other core big in a trade, such as a Cousins or Noel type, I think it's absolutely essential that we land a core big in next year's draft.
I'm so tired of this Celtics team lacking in the big department, and it's seemingly something that we've had to deal with for years now, even dating back to the latter part of the Big-3 era.
Great bigs are hard to come by. Imagine if IT is being discussed in a Cousins trade?
That would kind of be hilarious figuring that it was Sacramento that chose Collison over him in the first place lol
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Smith could join Ball and Fultz. It's pretty much every draft expert's opinion that Ball and Fultz are the two guys who have super star beyond all star ability. Smith moving up to that list would be good since it expands our chances at a tier 1 player.
I know this is convenient to say this after the Duke game, but I've felt for a while that Ball, Fultz, and Smith are actually all Tier 1 guys. I'm tempted to say that about Tatum too - kid looks so strong and balanced
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Nah Pho. Smith is not on Fultz Level yet.
6'10" wingspan for Fultz. Smith is 6'3" arm length.
Fultz has potential to guard three positions. Hes more well rounded and the first pick.
Fultz is a below average defender tho. He makes some flashy chasedown blocks now and then, but seems disengaged much of the time. The Huskies team D has been generally bad when I've watched as well.
Smith can be disruptive on D, tho you'd like that wingspan to be longer. He's built like Kyle Lowry. In any case, there's no way Fultz is guarding 3 positions. Not quick enough to guard 1's, not big enough to guard 3's. He's a pure prototypical SG in the NBA.
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Nah Pho. Smith is not on Fultz Level yet.
6'10" wingspan for Fultz. Smith is 6'3" arm length.
Fultz has potential to guard three positions. Hes more well rounded and the first pick.
Fultz is a below average defender tho. He makes some flashy chasedown blocks now and then, but seems disengaged much of the time. The Huskies team D has been generally bad when I've watched as well.
Smith can be disruptive on D, tho you'd like that wingspan to be longer. He's built like Kyle Lowry. In any case, there's no way Fultz is guarding 3 positions. Not quick enough to guard 1's, not big enough to guard 3's. He's a pure prototypical SG in the NBA.
Fultz is statistically bad at D now. However, he has perfect size and is absolutely competent when he locks in. With Stevens and some vets around him, he'll be fine.
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Smith's competition is much better than the teams Fultz is playing against at Washington.
It's true Pho, but honestly could you do it.
Could you really take Dennis Smith JR number one Overall over Fultz.
I could. Absolutely. I think Danny could too. Smith is a type-A competitor who lives to win. Listen to some of his interviews. He oozes competitiveness and confidence. Fultz is more skilled, a better shooter, but also more casual and plays more of a finesse game. I liken it to CP3 vs. Deron Williams. Williams does a lot of things better on paper. CP3 aces the neidnagel.
I also think the things that Smith is doing translate more directly. He's a great floor general and a plus NBA athlete. He understands winning and controls games single-handedly. Fultz is a good, not great athlete. He's going to have an adjustment to make against NBA athletes. Fultz takes over games with ISO's, volume shooting, and a lot of getting downhill against softer defenses.
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Smith or Fultz? I feel like that's what this draft comes down to.
Nah Pho. Smith is not on Fultz Level yet.
6'10" wingspan for Fultz. Smith is 6'3" arm length.
Fultz has potential to guard three positions. Hes more well rounded and the first pick.
Fultz is a below average defender tho. He makes some flashy chasedown blocks now and then, but seems disengaged much of the time. The Huskies team D has been generally bad when I've watched as well.
Smith can be disruptive on D, tho you'd like that wingspan to be longer. He's built like Kyle Lowry. In any case, there's no way Fultz is guarding 3 positions. Not quick enough to guard 1's, not big enough to guard 3's. He's a pure prototypical SG in the NBA.
Fultz is statistically bad at D now. However, he has perfect size and is absolutely competent when he locks in. With Stevens and some vets around him, he'll be fine.
His lateral quickness is medium and his defensive instincts look pretty bad to me. I agree, he'll be fine, but this is not one of his strengths. He's no Marcus Smart. He doesn't need to be, obv, because his scoring instincts are off the charts.
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Payton has looked good. It's time to give him his due. Also, he's a plus defender. People are acting like Marcus Smart is a great player. He is not currently. Maybe one day he can be. However, currently, Tony Allen is better than him imo. Tony Allen has fared well against players like Kevin Durant. I would refer to Durant's FG% during the Memphis Playoff series. He is clearly an exceptional defender.
I think Payton is>Allen>Smart. Payton is a better PG imo, scorer, and a notch below defensively, but still good.
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Payton has looked good. It's time to give him his due. Also, he's a plus defender. People are acting like Marcus Smart is a great player. He is not currently. Maybe one day he can be. However, currently, Tony Allen is better than him imo. Tony Allen has fared well against players like Kevin Durant. I would refer to Durant's FG% during the Memphis Playoff series. He is clearly an exceptional defender.
I think Payton is>Allen>Smart. Payton is a better PG imo, scorer, and a notch below defensively, but still good.
Elfrid Payton? I'm confused, what does he have to do with this thread?
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triple double
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHIgFgcNHg
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triple double
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHIgFgcNHg
3rd best player on this draft. I don't think Jackson or Isaac or Tatum should go before Smith. I know he is just another PG and teams maybe will want something else than PG on this draft but realistically he is 3rd best player on this draft
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triple double
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHIgFgcNHg
3rd best player on this draft. I don't think Jackson or Isaac or Tatum should go before Smith. I know he is just another PG and teams maybe will want something else than PG on this draft but realistically he is 3rd best player on this draft
Jackson is literally carrying his team in a stacked conference. Isaac is raw and Tatum have a stacked team.
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Smith Jr. Is like a Westbrook with a 6'4 wingspan instead of a 6'10 wingspan
So like a poor man RW . Explosive guard
I have DSJ ahead of Ball on Dannys list
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Smith Jr. Is like a Westbrook with a 6'4 wingspan instead of a 6'10 wingspan
So like a poor man RW . Explosive guard
I have DSJ ahead of Ball on Dannys list
Agree. I think Smith could be at the top of Danny's list.
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Florida State vs. NC State is on ESPN2 at the moment. Smith is struggling mightily with FSU's athleticism. I remain skeptical of Smith.
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Smith Jr. Is like a Westbrook with a 6'4 wingspan instead of a 6'10 wingspan
So like a poor man RW . Explosive guard
I have DSJ ahead of Ball on Dannys list
Agree. I think Smith could be at the top of Danny's list.
Um, No. Danny's draft board is the same as almost everyone else when it comes to the top two.
#1 Fultz
#2 Ball
He might flip the order by seasons end, but those are the top two players.
Fultz
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I'd love Fultz, Ball, Smith Jr to go 1,2 & 3 because it would be fascinating to see their career progression against each other...I'm sure the players who went 2 and 3 would feel jilted too.
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Smith Jr. Is like a Westbrook with a 6'4 wingspan instead of a 6'10 wingspan
So like a poor man RW . Explosive guard
I have DSJ ahead of Ball on Dannys list
No way. I think Danny has Ball 1st before Fultz.
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Didn't see his last game...was he playing at half speed so as not to get injured?
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Didn't see his last game...was he playing at half speed so as not to get injured?
I wonder as well
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nj.com/v1/articles/20814860/nba_draft_trade_rumors_sixers_working_out_markelle.amp
Yet, partly because of N.C. State's miserable season (4-14 in the ACC), fusses about bad body language, a bad injury (torn ACL before his senior year in high school) and spotty pick-and-roll defense, several mock drafts have him dipping to No. 8, where the Knicks sit.
However, The Post has learned Smith will work out for the Celtics on June 7. Yes, the Celtics, who own the first pick and figure to nab Washington's Markelle Fultz. Smith already has worked out for Orlando (No. 6), according to sources, and has tentative dates with the Lakers (No. 2) and Knicks .
Not sure of the validity but this site has us trading down to 3 with Philly and taking Dennis Smith Jr. Probably just a bunch of hot air but what could be more interesting is that we have DSJ scheduled for a workout today?
Anyone hear if DSJ is in Boston? Of all the guys in the draft I am most confident that Smith will turn into a fringe All Star. Think at the very least he's a lock for at an Eric Bledsoe like career.
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nj.com/v1/articles/20814860/nba_draft_trade_rumors_sixers_working_out_markelle.amp
Yet, partly because of N.C. State's miserable season (4-14 in the ACC), fusses about bad body language, a bad injury (torn ACL before his senior year in high school) and spotty pick-and-roll defense, several mock drafts have him dipping to No. 8, where the Knicks sit.
However, The Post has learned Smith will work out for the Celtics on June 7. Yes, the Celtics, who own the first pick and figure to nab Washington's Markelle Fultz. Smith already has worked out for Orlando (No. 6), according to sources, and has tentative dates with the Lakers (No. 2) and Knicks .
Not sure of the validity but this site has us trading down to 3 with Philly and taking Dennis Smith Jr. Probably just a bunch of hot air but what could be more interesting is that we have DSJ scheduled for a workout today?
Anyone hear if DSJ is in Boston? Of all the guys in the draft I am most confident that Smith will turn into a fringe All Star. Think at the very least he's a lock for at an Eric Bledsoe like career.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/top-prospect-dennis-smith-jr-work-knicks-wednesday-article-1.3225419
Probably a bunch of nonsense since according to the New York Daily News, DSJ is working out for the Knicks today.
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nj.com/v1/articles/20814860/nba_draft_trade_rumors_sixers_working_out_markelle.amp
Yet, partly because of N.C. State's miserable season (4-14 in the ACC), fusses about bad body language, a bad injury (torn ACL before his senior year in high school) and spotty pick-and-roll defense, several mock drafts have him dipping to No. 8, where the Knicks sit.
However, The Post has learned Smith will work out for the Celtics on June 7. Yes, the Celtics, who own the first pick and figure to nab Washington's Markelle Fultz. Smith already has worked out for Orlando (No. 6), according to sources, and has tentative dates with the Lakers (No. 2) and Knicks .
Not sure of the validity but this site has us trading down to 3 with Philly and taking Dennis Smith Jr. Probably just a bunch of hot air but what could be more interesting is that we have DSJ scheduled for a workout today?
Anyone hear if DSJ is in Boston? Of all the guys in the draft I am most confident that Smith will turn into a fringe All Star. Think at the very least he's a lock for at an Eric Bledsoe like career.
Well, he's already there, knee-wise :-\. In all seriousness, though, he's a hell of a talent, but between his short arms that will likely prevent him from being able to effectively contest shots at the next level, penchant for giving up on plays, not playing defense, and a questionable attitude, I'm going to have to pass, given what I've read about him. I would hardly be shocked if became an excellent player, however, as he certainly has the talent. I just tend to worry about what's going on upstairs, so to speak.
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I'd peg him as the top ten player most likely to bust.
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Reminds me a bit of Bayless.
Not an exact comp ... just some similar flaws.
Similar size but both lack length. The dodgy defense. The bad decision making. The athletic features = strong leaping ability, good speed but unexceptional burst / first step.
Bayless was a much better shooter. Smith a better ball-handler.
.... just that some of those limitations for Bayless seem to be warning signs for Smith Jr.
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triple double
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHIgFgcNHg
3rd best player on this draft. I don't think Jackson or Isaac or Tatum should go before Smith. I know he is just another PG and teams maybe will want something else than PG on this draft but realistically he is 3rd best player on this draft
Jackson is literally carrying his team in a stacked conference. Isaac is raw and Tatum have a stacked team.
Carrying his team in a stacked conference? That's 13 years in a row for Kansas. I don't consider it carrying a team when your teammate is national player of the year.
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Smith Jr. Is like a Westbrook with a 6'4 wingspan instead of a 6'10 wingspan
So like a poor man RW . Explosive guard
I have DSJ ahead of Ball on Dannys list
Agree. I think Smith could be at the top of Danny's list.
He might be at the top of the list now...
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I am not a Dennis Smith fan by any means. I think his most likely outcome is pretty ugly. However, he might have the second most pure upside in the Draft. If Danny believes in him, I wouldn't be entirely opposed.
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I will be devastated if we take Smith Jr.
really don't like him.
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I like Smith Jr. Great athlete and talent, has some fire. Friend in NC has seen him play several times, sounds like he's a little human highlight reel.
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I'm actually quite the Smith fan, but not sure if we're going to be reaching on him at #3.
Who knows with Danny
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I'm actually quite the Smith fan, but not sure if we're going to be reaching on him at #3.
Who knows with Danny
Send out some De'Aaron Fox smokescreens then fleece Vlade for 5 and 10.
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I'm actually quite the Smith fan, but not sure if we're going to be reaching on him at #3.
Who knows with Danny
Send out some De'Aaron Fox smokescreens then fleece Vlade for 5 and 10.
#3 for #5 and #10, yes please. Could end up with Tatum and Smith Jr / Ntilikina (probably butchered that name).
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After watching some highlights, a workout video, and several interviews I've talked myself into picking him at #3 or whereever else we end up trading down to. His athleticism gives him one of the highest ceilings in this draft, his jumper looks solid, seems like a competitor and not one to be ok with losing. Carries the same defensive concerns that Fultz had and his win/loss record at NCState will make people question "his ability to win". Seems like a Russell Westbrook or Derrick Rose caliber player if he reaches his potential.
At this point I'm afraid to have a preference in this draft. Probably will just end up with Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum. If we're keeping these picks then best case scenario we end up with forwards or a center in next years draft. Makes sense to pick a guard this year. If we are making a run at Hayward we definitely don't have room for Jackson to play many minutes.
Although it is interesting that we brought in Smith Jr the day we accepted the trade, and before even working out Jackson...
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Taking Smith third is not smart. Guy is a marginal top 8 player
Would not make sense to pass on fultz because you have a glut of guards ok only to take a smaller guard who cannot play the 2.