Question - will paying Hayward next summer really move the needle for us?
From all indications, he won't be compatible in the starting lineup with Crowder, so he'd essentially replace Crowder in the starting lineup. Is he going to be worth more than $20M per year more than Crowder with such a minute statistical difference between the two?
I think I'd honestly rather pay someone like Noel or Milsap big money than Hayward, because they're actually at a spot of need for us, even if they're not quite as good as Hayward.
Question - will paying Hayward next summer really move the needle for us?
From all indications, he won't be compatible in the starting lineup with Crowder, so he'd essentially replace Crowder in the starting lineup. Is he going to be worth more than $20M per year more than Crowder with such a minute statistical difference between the two?
I think I'd honestly rather pay someone like Noel or Milsap big money than Hayward, because they're actually at a spot of need for us, even if they're not quite as good as Hayward.
Question - will paying Hayward next summer really move the needle for us?
From all indications, he won't be compatible in the starting lineup with Crowder, so he'd essentially replace Crowder in the starting lineup. Is he going to be worth more than $20M per year more than Crowder with such a minute statistical difference between the two?
I think I'd honestly rather pay someone like Noel or Milsap big money than Hayward, because they're actually at a spot of need for us, even if they're not quite as good as Hayward.
Signing Hayward would make Crowder or Bradley expendable in a deal for a big man, while also improving our scoring from the wing (which is still a need for us). Signing Hayward obviously wouldn't solve all of our problems, but it would solve some and give Danny the ammunition to solve some of the others
That said, signing a star big man should be plan A, but Hayward is a great plan B
Question - will paying Hayward next summer really move the needle for us?
From all indications, he won't be compatible in the starting lineup with Crowder, so he'd essentially replace Crowder in the starting lineup. Is he going to be worth more than $20M per year more than Crowder with such a minute statistical difference between the two?
I think I'd honestly rather pay someone like Noel or Milsap big money than Hayward, because they're actually at a spot of need for us, even if they're not quite as good as Hayward.
Signing Hayward would make Crowder or Bradley expendable in a deal for a big man, while also improving our scoring from the wing (which is still a need for us). Signing Hayward obviously wouldn't solve all of our problems, but it would solve some and give Danny the ammunition to solve some of the others
That said, signing a star big man should be plan A, but Hayward is a great plan B
That's the problem though. What star big men are available in Free Agency?
Nerlens Noel (Doesn't thread the needle either - not worth max)
Blake Griffin (He is likely staying in LA)
Serge Ibaka (A little overrated if you ask me - also not worth max)
Who else? As for trades, only ones realistically available are Cousins and either Okafor/Noel, maybe rentals like Bogut (if we're talking this season), but he's no star big man either.
A trade is almost definitely what would have to happen. With Smart, Bradley, Crowder, and Brown filling up the wing right now, a Hayward signing would definitely push someone out. If he's signed with a trade ready to go that brings back a good piece that fits, then I guess that's terrific.Question - will paying Hayward next summer really move the needle for us?
From all indications, he won't be compatible in the starting lineup with Crowder, so he'd essentially replace Crowder in the starting lineup. Is he going to be worth more than $20M per year more than Crowder with such a minute statistical difference between the two?
I think I'd honestly rather pay someone like Noel or Milsap big money than Hayward, because they're actually at a spot of need for us, even if they're not quite as good as Hayward.
Signing Hayward would make Crowder or Bradley expendable in a deal for a big man, while also improving our scoring from the wing (which is still a need for us). Signing Hayward obviously wouldn't solve all of our problems, but it would solve some and give Danny the ammunition to solve some of the others
That said, signing a star big man should be plan A, but Hayward is a great plan B
That's the problem though. What star big men are available in Free Agency?
Nerlens Noel (Doesn't thread the needle either - not worth max)
Blake Griffin (He is likely staying in LA)
Serge Ibaka (A little overrated if you ask me - also not worth max)
Who else? As for trades, only ones realistically available are Cousins and either Okafor/Noel, maybe rentals like Bogut (if we're talking this season), but he's no star big man either.
Yeah, that's the problem. I would totally be fine with adding Hayward and losing Crowder if we also upgraded our big position, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where both of those things happen next summer.
However, I think that could legitimately happen if we traded for Noel this year. We should be able to clear enough space to sign Hayward to a near-max contract even with Noel, or we could even get Utah to do a sign-and-trade for Crowder and other pieces, which you have to think they'd be interested in if Hayward told them he was leaving regardless.
So Hayward actually had a good game against the Cavaliers. 28 points, 9 rebounds. W.If we had had an answer to Demar OR we had had an answer to Valunciunas on the boards we win the game.
But after seeing Valanciunas eat us up last night, I'm convinced we need a BIG, NOT Butler or Hayward.
So Hayward actually had a good game against the Cavaliers. 28 points, 9 rebounds. W.If we had had an answer to Demar OR we had had an answer to Valunciunas on the boards we win the game.
But after seeing Valanciunas eat us up last night, I'm convinced we need a BIG, NOT Butler or Hayward.
If we had both then we wouldnt care about last night and wed be looking at the Cavs instead.
So Hayward actually had a good game against the Cavaliers. 28 points, 9 rebounds. W.If we had had an answer to Demar OR we had had an answer to Valunciunas on the boards we win the game.
But after seeing Valanciunas eat us up last night, I'm convinced we need a BIG, NOT Butler or Hayward.
If we had both then we wouldnt care about last night and wed be looking at the Cavs instead.
It's kind of ridiculous seeing all these opposing bigs beat us up every game.
Even in wins, you could see opposing centers abusing us usually.
KO disappears in the big moments, and Zeller is.. well Zeller. Amir is a solid reserve 5 but key word: "reserve" - he couldn't stop Valanciunas yesterday
So Hayward actually had a good game against the Cavaliers. 28 points, 9 rebounds. W.It would have to be big "big" like Bogut or someone else with bulk if you want to stop Valanciunas. A guy like Noel wouldn't do much better than Amir.
But after seeing Valanciunas eat us up last night, I'm convinced we need a BIG, NOT Butler or Hayward.
So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
I'm still leading the Otto Porter bandwagon.
So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
I'm still leading the Otto Porter bandwagon.
I don't think many here are on that train lol.
Porter is a RFA. I'd expect Washington to match any offer for him.So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
I'm still leading the Otto Porter bandwagon.
I don't think many here are on that train lol.
They should be. He's 24 in June and leading the league in 3-point shooting and offensive rating, and is a solid rebounder. His game has taken large steps up each year, and he's at least $5 million cheaper a year than Hayward.
Porter is a RFA. I'd expect Washington to match any offer for him.So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
I'm still leading the Otto Porter bandwagon.
I don't think many here are on that train lol.
They should be. He's 24 in June and leading the league in 3-point shooting and offensive rating, and is a solid rebounder. His game has taken large steps up each year, and he's at least $5 million cheaper a year than Hayward.
Porter is a RFA. I'd expect Washington to match any offer for him.So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
I'm still leading the Otto Porter bandwagon.
I don't think many here are on that train lol.
They should be. He's 24 in June and leading the league in 3-point shooting and offensive rating, and is a solid rebounder. His game has taken large steps up each year, and he's at least $5 million cheaper a year than Hayward.
Unless they dump salary, I wouldn't. They've never paid the luxury tax (1 of only 3 teams). Their owner has said he pretty much never intends to pay it. If Porter gets offered the max and they match it, and fill all of their other open roster spots with players making the minimum (including either renouncing their 1st rounder or stashing him overseas), they'd be more than $6 million over the tax line. Even outright dumping their worst contract in Andrew Nicholson won't likely get them below the tax despite hypothetically 5 players making the minimum.
Sure, the owner could change his tune, but as a DC resident, I can assure you he's much more likely to say that losing Porter is why he needs a new arena.
I still prefer Hayward, mind you. I just think that Porter might wind up being more obtainable.
How is Nicholson their worst contract? Mahinmi's contract is terrible although they are never going to get anyone to take it. Right now they are on track to get the 23rd pick. They'd be smart to trade it to dump two of Nicholson, Smith and Satoransky so they could retain Porter. That would be a smart move for the Nets rather than using their cap space to overpay for mediocre vets.Porter is a RFA. I'd expect Washington to match any offer for him.So we play the Jazz tomorrow night.
Hayward is averaging as of now 23/6/4. He's kind of like IT in the sense that he can give you almost 20-25 any given night. He's also put up 30 or more in 3 of his last 5 games. He's a pretty decent rebounder and his defense is average (not elite but not bad either). Pretty much consistent to the stats he was putting the last time these teams played.
Will be interesting to see what happens this summer with him, though I predict he will stay in Utah (they are a great team as well and can offer more $$$)
Yeah, I think the Jazz have played well enough to convince Hayward to stick around. Good for them. Bad for (some of) us.
Yep, it's a shame because he was probably like the second best FA available behind Griffin (because obviously KD, Curry and Lowry obviously aren't leaving their current teams unless something catastrophic happens between now and the summer).
Looks like for us, we will have to settle for either Ibaka or Millsap (I think Noel stays with Philly too - I'm not holding out a ton of hope he comes here this summer).
I'm still leading the Otto Porter bandwagon.
I don't think many here are on that train lol.
They should be. He's 24 in June and leading the league in 3-point shooting and offensive rating, and is a solid rebounder. His game has taken large steps up each year, and he's at least $5 million cheaper a year than Hayward.
Unless they dump salary, I wouldn't. They've never paid the luxury tax (1 of only 3 teams). Their owner has said he pretty much never intends to pay it. If Porter gets offered the max and they match it, and fill all of their other open roster spots with players making the minimum (including either renouncing their 1st rounder or stashing him overseas), they'd be more than $6 million over the tax line. Even outright dumping their worst contract in Andrew Nicholson won't likely get them below the tax despite hypothetically 5 players making the minimum.
Sure, the owner could change his tune, but as a DC resident, I can assure you he's much more likely to say that losing Porter is why he needs a new arena.
I still prefer Hayward, mind you. I just think that Porter might wind up being more obtainable.
Nice article on him the other day:
https://theringer.com/while-you-werent-looking-gordon-hayward-became-amazing-abb2d361c744#.dvyybixje
And I'll probably get vilified for this, but he comps well to Pierce at the same age.
http://bkref.com/tiny/pD5pE
Count me among those who think we have a shot at him.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
I don't see how Crowder is better than Hayward. I mean, based on RPM, Butler is supposedly better than Durant and Kawhi Leonard. I don't think that's the case.
Crowder is a solid role player and starter. Classic 3 and D guy. But Hayward is (deservedly) an all star and is on the bubble for an All NBA appearance (he probably won't make it though). I doubt Crowder would ever make an all star team, even if he was on that Jazz squad. Meanwhile Hayward would still be named an all star here.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
To my understanding, they measure different things. Doesnt your simple rating measure production, while RPM measures on/off impact?
Either way, rpm isn't flawless either
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
To my understanding, they measure different things. Doesnt your simple rating measure production, while RPM measures on/off impact?
Either way, rpm isn't flawless either
Simple rating is a combination of 2 outputs. The first is net production. The second is on/off court. I think using both obviously makes the most sense. But if I had to pick one, I am just thinking the simple rating looks closer to how I rank these players than RPM does.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
To my understanding, they measure different things. Doesnt your simple rating measure production, while RPM measures on/off impact?
Either way, rpm isn't flawless either
But fact is that Crowder's team has the 5Th best record in the NBA, and i wouldnt day that Crowder's supporting roster is necessarily any better.
Thomas rose up from being a Hayward caliber player tp being a true superstar, which had boosted the Celtics to the record we have today. Hayward is supposed to be the Isaiah Thomas of the Jazz, yet hes not close to Thomas' production and his team's record isnt close to Boston's.
With Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Rudy Gobert and George Hill on the roster, the Jazz overall talent set is at least as high as Boston's. They should be better then they are.
I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
Thing is Hayward is a reasonable replacement to Crowder, if we're using Crowder/AB or our picks to bring in a decent big men. Or it makes no sense, unless Hayward improves his dRtG, and isn't a defensive liability for us, since we already have IT, (not knocking him, but he is a defensive sieve,) and our big men rotation is clearly not aggressive enough.
I'm starting to lean towards trading Crowder . Gordon is a Stevens dude though and though.
I'm wondering if Jae is hurt again .
If we could get Fultz ....trade off KO, Bradley , Crowder , and add another star ......like George or Hayward we d be better off I think.
We do have too many role players . . We,need to,cash them in and hire a super star.
Thing is Hayward is a reasonable replacement to Crowder, if we're using Crowder/AB or our picks to bring in a decent big men. Or it makes no sense, unless Hayward improves his dRtG, and isn't a defensive liability for us, since we already have IT, (not knocking him, but he is a defensive sieve,) and our big men rotation is clearly not aggressive enough.
You make it sound as though Crowder is the better player, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Also, Hayward is an excellent defender who possesses great lateral quickness and prevents perpetration. In fact, I will say that Hayward has been a superior defender to Crowder THIS season.
Thing is Hayward is a reasonable replacement to Crowder, if we're using Crowder/AB or our picks to bring in a decent big men. Or it makes no sense, unless Hayward improves his dRtG, and isn't a defensive liability for us, since we already have IT, (not knocking him, but he is a defensive sieve,) and our big men rotation is clearly not aggressive enough.
You make it sound as though Crowder is the better player, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Also, Hayward is an excellent defender who possesses great lateral quickness and prevents perpetration. In fact, I will say that Hayward has been a superior defender to Crowder THIS season.
If I did, that wasn't my intention.
I'm actually a huge fan of Hayward. And also could you show me those stats? Maybe, I was misled, I was looking at some statistics, and it tended to favor Crowder more favorably to be honest on the defensive end.
I would love Hayward on this team, but I think he is too much of a loyal guy. Unless we beat the Bulls, and make it to the ECF. I think he's going to at least give Jazz a good chance at trying to convince him to sign.
Hayward gets the toughest perimeter assignment night in and night out, and the little shreds of points he rips away at opponents' efficiency possession by possession go a long way in making the Jazz so fearsome defensively. Yes, Rudy Gobert is the best rim protector in the league and a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.
But Hayward is what takes them to another level. The Jazz are good all over defensively. Hayward's ability to really limit top-tier offensive wings makes him more central to their level of success than Gobert.
To respond to those talking about rather having Hayward than Crowder:
Couldn't it be possible to have Hayward start and be our #2 scorer, with Crowder off the bench?
I think that could work honestly.
And obviously PG13 is better than Hayward, but ONLY way he comes here is if he agrees to a long term commitment, otherwise Ainge isn't giving up a premium to a rental who seems set on joining the Lakers in a year.
I think Crowder STAYS especially on that bargain of a contract.
Yes, getting Hayward means pretty much losing everyone (KO, Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Mickey), but if Hayward does come here and Danny drafts with 2017 Nets Pick + trades an excess guard+ pieces for a legitimate big... that would be nice. Now idk exactly who that will be, but we can't roll with just Horford and Zizic... (Zizic still a HUGE unknown as well).
That being said, I predict he stays in Utah especially if they manage to advance past 1st round.
To respond to those talking about rather having Hayward than Crowder:
Couldn't it be possible to have Hayward start and be our #2 scorer, with Crowder off the bench?
I think that could work honestly.
And obviously PG13 is better than Hayward, but ONLY way he comes here is if he agrees to a long term commitment, otherwise Ainge isn't giving up a premium to a rental who seems set on joining the Lakers in a year.
I think Crowder STAYS especially on that bargain of a contract.
Yes, getting Hayward means pretty much losing everyone (KO, Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Mickey), but if Hayward does come here and Danny drafts with 2017 Nets Pick + trades an excess guard+ pieces for a legitimate big... that would be nice. Now idk exactly who that will be, but we can't roll with just Horford and Zizic... (Zizic still a HUGE unknown as well).
That being said, I predict he stays in Utah especially if they manage to advance past 1st round.
So we'd lose a bunch of terrible players and pick up a perfect second scorer. Then draft another scorer, and trade some pieces for an Ibaka or Monroe type and add Zizic, I think we're ready for a real run next year with a bench of Smart, Brown, Jae and Zizic
Otto Porter is great, but any metric thats got him 2x as good as Paul Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing George is a flawed metric.I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
Why the Otto Porter hate? He's playing good D and Shooting an absurd 45 percent from 3 this season.
Otto Porter is great, but any metric thats got him 2x as good as Paul ****ing George is a flawed metric.I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
Why the Otto Porter hate? He's playing good D and Shooting an absurd 45 percent from 3 this season.
To respond to those talking about rather having Hayward than Crowder:
Couldn't it be possible to have Hayward start and be our #2 scorer, with Crowder off the bench?
I think that could work honestly.
And obviously PG13 is better than Hayward, but ONLY way he comes here is if he agrees to a long term commitment, otherwise Ainge isn't giving up a premium to a rental who seems set on joining the Lakers in a year.
I think Crowder STAYS especially on that bargain of a contract.
Yes, getting Hayward means pretty much losing everyone (KO, Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Mickey), but if Hayward does come here and Danny drafts with 2017 Nets Pick + trades an excess guard+ pieces for a legitimate big... that would be nice. Now idk exactly who that will be, but we can't roll with just Horford and Zizic... (Zizic still a HUGE unknown as well).
That being said, I predict he stays in Utah especially if they manage to advance past 1st round.
Otto Porter is great, but any metric thats got him 2x as good as Paul ****ing George is a flawed metric.I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
Why the Otto Porter hate? He's playing good D and Shooting an absurd 45 percent from 3 this season.
I think Otto Porter can be like a great "Plan D and beyond" option if we whiff on every single FA and Draft Day trade.
Otto Porter is great, but any metric thats got him 2x as good as Paul ****ing George is a flawed metric.I don't understand the infatuation with Hayward. He's not better than Crowder. Why are we obsessed with filling a spot that we aready have a top 10 player in?
In terms of Real Plus Minus top 10 small forwards are currently:
1. Lebron James
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Kevin Durant
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Giannis
6. Otto Porter Jr.
7. Jae Crowder
8. Gordon Hayward
9. Trevor Ariza
10. Robert Covington
A lot of people will argue that Paul George should be on this list, but he's not playing defense at an above average level this year and came in 12th in real plus minus among small forwards.
This is a pretty thin argument with Crowder and Hayward being 7 and 8 on the list, what are the numbers? Is it a + 2,3, or 5? Or is it a +.5 or 1 in favor of Crowder?
Also according to the list Butler is a better SF than Durant and Leonard. Crowder is a nice player, but Hayward is more complete,he can play PG, guards better than people give him credit for, and can create his own shot, which is where he really separates himself from Crowder, and something the C's really need.
Also Hayward can start at SG, and Crowder can start at SF.
Actually what I think we should do if we sign Hayward is this. Move on from Amir and Start...
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
This way Crowder and Bradley get to keep their starting role. Smart is the ultimate Swiss army knife off the bench.
Brown can fill in minutes at the two, three, and four. Plus we are adding, Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.
That 8 man rotation is insane. Plus Zizic, Yabu, Rozier. Gotta love that team.
Unfortunately that rotation would probably be too small. I would try and move Bradley for a starting PF or go after Ibaka or Gibson.
PG: IT
SG: Hayward
SF: Crowder
PF: Gibson
C: Horford
You play that with Fultz and Brown and bring in the overseas bigs and you got yourself a dangerous team.
Yeah, a Crowder-Horford front court is problematic, way too small. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Jazz winning 50 games in the west despite their best player (Hayward) being worse than Jae Crowder. Hayward's simple rating is like 2.5x Crowder's, which is just as good of, if not better statistic than RPM. Small forwards by simple rating go:
1. LeBron 17.4
2. Durant 17.2
3. Kawhi 14.5
4. Butler 13.8
5. Giannis 12.9
6. Hayward 12.1
7. Paul George 7.0
8. Crowder 4.8
9. Porter 4.8
10. Ariza 1.7
Not perfect, but this makes a lot more sense to me (especially considering the deviation) than the list using RPM.
Your simple rating lists Hayward as being twice as effective as Paul George. That is a farce.
Yet more realistic than RPM which lists Otto Porter as nearly 2x effective as Paul George.
Why the Otto Porter hate? He's playing good D and Shooting an absurd 45 percent from 3 this season.
I think Otto Porter can be like a great "Plan D and beyond" option if we whiff on every single FA and Draft Day trade.
I like Otto Porter a lot, but I don't know that he'll become a star offensively. He isn't much of a creator, without Beal and Wall his offense would really suffer. I like his efficiency though, he's a terrific "passive" scorer.
I love his defensive production, I think overall he can be a better version of Tayshaun Prince, maybe not quite as scrappy, but more athletic, and a more efficient shooter.
Which would be pretty darn good.
Washington likely throws boatloads of cash at him, though, they will want to keep that young core intact.
What is crazy is Porter and Bradley Beal are both just 23, and Wall is 26. There is still a lot of room for growth on that club, they could be scary in a few years.
I have no grasp at all as to why people have been so obsessed with Hayward.
This is the first season in his career that he's actually putting up star like numbers, and it happens to be a contract year on a team where his defensive limitations are masked by playing alongside one of the top 2 or 3 rim protectors in the nba.
Put him on the Celtics with a fresh fat contract as a 2nd option behind Thomas and his scoring will drop significantly (expect 17-18 PPG), and his weak defence will be exposed once he's playing with Horfrd and Amir instead of Gobert and Favors.
He's overrated, he's always been overrated, and if Boston gives him a max deal it will be the biggest mistake they've made since giving Horford a max - which currently already like like one of the top 3 or 4 dumbest signings of this past off-season
Got want this team to be financially crippled for the next half decade thanks to paying $55m -$60m to a pair of fringe stars? If so then sign Hayward.
Atlanta Hawks 2.0 - lets do this!!
I have no grasp at all as to why people have been so obsessed with Hayward.First year he has played like a true star, but hes put up at least 19/5/4 each of the last 3 years.
This is the first season in his career that he's actually putting up star like numbers, and it happens to be a contract year on a team where his defensive limitations are masked by playing alongside one of the top 2 or 3 rim protectors in the nba.
Put him on the Celtics with a fresh fat contract as a 2nd option behind Thomas and his scoring will drop significantly (expect 17-18 PPG), and his weak defence will be exposed once he's playing with Horfrd and Amir instead of Gobert and Favors.I dont think he is a bad defender, but yes, he would look worse without Gobert.
He's overrated, he's always been overrated,last time he was FA, he was underrated. Utah forced him to find another team to give him the max, plenty of people here preferred Jeff Green.
and if Boston gives him a max deal it will be the biggest mistake they've made since giving Horford a max - which currently already like like one of the top 3 or 4 dumbest signings of this past off-seasonlol, no it doesnt. That is just a terrible take. Horford was a good signing, and even if you hated him, he was a way better signing then Noah, Parsons, Mozgov, Deng, Barnes, Turner etc etc
Got want this team to be financially crippled for the next half decade thanks to paying $55m -$60m to a pair of fringe stars? If so then sign Hayward.yeah thats another stupid take. I missed the part where Atlanta had 2 top 4 picks.
Atlanta Hawks 2.0 - lets do this!!
LOL TNT in their "gone fishing" segment had Hayward in a CELTICS JERSEY.
They had Paul George in a Lakers jersey when Indiana was eliminated.
Here's my guess on chances of where he goes:
Jazz - 55%
Celtics - 25%
Pacers - 10%
Heat - 5%
Lakers - 5%
Truthfully don't see any other legit options unless a surprise team comes along.
If Boston can advance from this series and make the ECF at least, it would help our cause even more. But I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he decided to stay in Utah.
I wouldn't plan on Hayward coming here. I would expect him to stay in Utah.
We'd have to renounce / let walk: Amir, Jerebko, Olynyk, Young, Jackson, Mickey and Gerald Green to get the salary, which would free up $25,573,298. I think that's worth it.I don't think that's how it works. Zizic, at the very least, should have a cap hold regardless of the fact that he's playing overseas. Same for our future #1 pick.
Then we'd have to free up $ for Zizic, Yabu and our upcoming 1st 2017 rounder. Tyler Zeller's contract is $8 million a year with a team option next year, so we could cut him and free up that money.
https://gettheduckboatsready.com/2016/07/24/the-tyler-zeller-contract-is-genius/
Then, we could trade Crowder and/or Bradley for a position of need. Like Crowder for Aaron Gordon or something? If we got Fultz, we could trade Bradley + Crowder + BK 18 for someone really good.
If he believes he can be a good player 3 years from now it's in his best interest to sign a 3 years + 1 year player option contract and then sign a 35% max for 5 years once he is a 10 year vet after the 3 years. In that case Utah doesn't have much of a financial advantage.
Year Current Team ($ mil) Other Team
1 30.3 30.3
2 32.7 31.8
3 35.1 33.3
4 (player option) 37.6 34.8
Total 135.7 130.2
First 3 years 98.2 95.4
For the 3 year lifetime of that contract he will only be losing 2.7 million.
toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
http://www.csnne.com/video/toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
I think Hayward to Boston is more likely than George to LA.toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
http://www.csnne.com/video/toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
I don't necessarily agree that it's already a "done deal," but I do certainly agree that everything I've heard from him doesn't inspire confidence that he's really committed to staying.
There are some out there that think this Utah team doesn't get much better. I tend to agree with them; I don't see them getting much better than they were this year. Outside of Exum getting exponentially better, where do they improve? They won't have any high draft picks coming anytime soon, and they're just simply not a free agent destination for star-level players.
I think Hayward to Boston is more likely than George to LA.toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
http://www.csnne.com/video/toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
I don't necessarily agree that it's already a "done deal," but I do certainly agree that everything I've heard from him doesn't inspire confidence that he's really committed to staying.
There are some out there that think this Utah team doesn't get much better. I tend to agree with them; I don't see them getting much better than they were this year. Outside of Exum getting exponentially better, where do they improve? They won't have any high draft picks coming anytime soon, and they're just simply not a free agent destination for star-level players.
Sign Gordon
AB , Crowder brk 17 for George
IT. Rozier
Smart. Green(vet min)
Hayward. Jaylen
George. Yabu
Horford. Zicic
Hayward can play 2/3 and George the 3/4
If we want to go big we can play zicic and move Horford to PF and George to SF.
I think Hayward to Boston is more likely than George to LA.toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
http://www.csnne.com/video/toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
I don't necessarily agree that it's already a "done deal," but I do certainly agree that everything I've heard from him doesn't inspire confidence that he's really committed to staying.
There are some out there that think this Utah team doesn't get much better. I tend to agree with them; I don't see them getting much better than they were this year. Outside of Exum getting exponentially better, where do they improve? They won't have any high draft picks coming anytime soon, and they're just simply not a free agent destination for star-level players.
So do I, but I don't buy the whole "George being a lock to LA" narrative either. We've heard that exact narrative debunked with other players way too many times already, and it's not even like they're any good right now to justify such a narrative. It seems to be the same old pro-LA baseless drivel.
I dont either. Everyone and their brother is linked to LA and then they dont come and LA signs Timofey Mozgov and everyone completely forgets and picks out the next 3 superstars who are "deadset" on coming to LA.I think Hayward to Boston is more likely than George to LA.toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
http://www.csnne.com/video/toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
I don't necessarily agree that it's already a "done deal," but I do certainly agree that everything I've heard from him doesn't inspire confidence that he's really committed to staying.
There are some out there that think this Utah team doesn't get much better. I tend to agree with them; I don't see them getting much better than they were this year. Outside of Exum getting exponentially better, where do they improve? They won't have any high draft picks coming anytime soon, and they're just simply not a free agent destination for star-level players.
So do I, but I don't buy the whole "George being a lock to LA" narrative either. We've heard that exact narrative debunked with other players way too many times already, and it's not even like they're any good right now to justify such a narrative. It seems to be the same old pro-LA baseless drivel.
“He’s made it very, very clear that he wants to be in L.A.,” [Stephen A.]Smith said of DeRozan’s intentions in free agency. “He has family out there. He’s from out there. He wants to be in L.A. He wants to wear the purple and gold, and if there’s a way for it to happen, again he’s restricted, if there’s a way for it to happen, DeMar DeRozan will be in a Los Angeles Lakers uniform next season.”then there was this:
Love wants to play for the Lakers but he's also open to coming to the Knicks.http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-dolan-gilbert-meddling-hazard-teams-health-article-1.1796220#ixzz321uBcAPS
"They should trade him," one Eastern Conference executive said. "No one thinks he's staying. Everyone knows he wants to go to the Lakers."both are pre-Cavs trade.
I dont either. Everyone and their brother is linked to LA and then they dont come and LA signs Timofey Mozgov and everyone completely forgets and picks out the next 3 superstars who are "deadset" on coming to LA.I think Hayward to Boston is more likely than George to LA.toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
http://www.csnne.com/video/toucher-rich-think-gordon-hayward-celtics-done-deal
I don't necessarily agree that it's already a "done deal," but I do certainly agree that everything I've heard from him doesn't inspire confidence that he's really committed to staying.
There are some out there that think this Utah team doesn't get much better. I tend to agree with them; I don't see them getting much better than they were this year. Outside of Exum getting exponentially better, where do they improve? They won't have any high draft picks coming anytime soon, and they're just simply not a free agent destination for star-level players.
So do I, but I don't buy the whole "George being a lock to LA" narrative either. We've heard that exact narrative debunked with other players way too many times already, and it's not even like they're any good right now to justify such a narrative. It seems to be the same old pro-LA baseless drivel.Quote“He’s made it very, very clear that he wants to be in L.A.,” [Stephen A.]Smith said of DeRozan’s intentions in free agency. “He has family out there. He’s from out there. He wants to be in L.A. He wants to wear the purple and gold, and if there’s a way for it to happen, again he’s restricted, if there’s a way for it to happen, DeMar DeRozan will be in a Los Angeles Lakers uniform next season.”
Saw this on Reddit, thoughts?QuoteIf he believes he can be a good player 3 years from now it's in his best interest to sign a 3 years + 1 year player option contract and then sign a 35% max for 5 years once he is a 10 year vet after the 3 years. In that case Utah doesn't have much of a financial advantage.
Year Current Team ($ mil) Other Team
1 30.3 30.3
2 32.7 31.8
3 35.1 33.3
4 (player option) 37.6 34.8
Total 135.7 130.2
First 3 years 98.2 95.4
For the 3 year lifetime of that contract he will only be losing 2.7 million.
Hayward still deciding whether he will opt out or not (he will).
Hill's decision will be solely based on what Hayward does.
If we whiff on Hayward BUT he actually goes to another team, I wonder if the C's could swing a trade for Gobert or Favors?
Hayward still deciding whether he will opt out or not (he will).
Hill's decision will be solely based on what Hayward does.
If we whiff on Hayward BUT he actually goes to another team, I wonder if the C's could swing a trade for Gobert or Favors?
If Hayward does indeed leave, I think Utah should make Gobert their centerpiece. He's still young enough to put good pieces around. I think Favors is a prime candidate for trade regardless of what Hayward does though. He's in the last year of a low cost deal and I don't think he resigns there. Makes sense to get something for him.
On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
I saw another poster mention Faried a while back, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He'd GREATLY help our rebounding issues, and we could certainly use his athleticism and tenacity from the 4 spot. They were looking to offload him this season already, too.
If we would luck out and get Fultz in the draft, then you could offer up something like AB and Rozier for Faried. I doubt AB alone would do it since they have Harris and Murray already, but Rozier would interest them since they're looking for a PG prospect. You'd have to keep AB in there for salary purposes, and they could use him as trade bait elsewhere (like OKC?). You may or may not have to sweeten the pot with 2nd round picks.
But that'd leave you with a great lineup:
PG: IT, Fultz
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Faried, ? (Maybe Yabu?)
C: Horford, Zizic
On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
I saw another poster mention Faried a while back, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He'd GREATLY help our rebounding issues, and we could certainly use his athleticism and tenacity from the 4 spot. They were looking to offload him this season already, too.
If we would luck out and get Fultz in the draft, then you could offer up something like AB and Rozier for Faried. I doubt AB alone would do it since they have Harris and Murray already, but Rozier would interest them since they're looking for a PG prospect. You'd have to keep AB in there for salary purposes, and they could use him as trade bait elsewhere (like OKC?). You may or may not have to sweeten the pot with 2nd round picks.
But that'd leave you with a great lineup:
PG: IT, Fultz
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Faried, ? (Maybe Yabu?)
C: Horford, Zizic
really? that much ??
On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
I saw another poster mention Faried a while back, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He'd GREATLY help our rebounding issues, and we could certainly use his athleticism and tenacity from the 4 spot. They were looking to offload him this season already, too.
If we would luck out and get Fultz in the draft, then you could offer up something like AB and Rozier for Faried. I doubt AB alone would do it since they have Harris and Murray already, but Rozier would interest them since they're looking for a PG prospect. You'd have to keep AB in there for salary purposes, and they could use him as trade bait elsewhere (like OKC?). You may or may not have to sweeten the pot with 2nd round picks.
But that'd leave you with a great lineup:
PG: IT, Fultz
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Faried, ? (Maybe Yabu?)
C: Horford, Zizic
really? that much ??
AB for Faried is an overpay in itself. Faried just isnt that good. Doesnt really defend anymore and his offensive game never developped. Plus he isnt elite on the glass anymore either.On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
I saw another poster mention Faried a while back, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He'd GREATLY help our rebounding issues, and we could certainly use his athleticism and tenacity from the 4 spot. They were looking to offload him this season already, too.
If we would luck out and get Fultz in the draft, then you could offer up something like AB and Rozier for Faried. I doubt AB alone would do it since they have Harris and Murray already, but Rozier would interest them since they're looking for a PG prospect. You'd have to keep AB in there for salary purposes, and they could use him as trade bait elsewhere (like OKC?). You may or may not have to sweeten the pot with 2nd round picks.
But that'd leave you with a great lineup:
PG: IT, Fultz
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Faried, ? (Maybe Yabu?)
C: Horford, Zizic
really? that much ??
Not sure that AB would do it by himself (I figure they'd trade him for other assets since they have Harris and Murray already), but he'd have to be included at that point due to salary reasons. Also, if we get Fultz, then Rozier would be redundant. So it's not as high of a price as it looks given the context.
It'd be awesome to get him for just AB if possible, but I think one of Rozier or Smart would still need to be traded due to a lack of minutes. That'd be IT, Hayward, Smart, Fultz, Rozier, and Brown that'd all deserve some time at either the 1 or 2 or both, which is a problem. Ideally we'd trade one of them for a bench big, perhaps like O'Quinn of Holmes or something.
AB for Faried is an overpay in itself. Faried just isnt that good. Doesnt really defend anymore and his offensive game never developped. Plus he isnt elite on the glass anymore either.On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
I saw another poster mention Faried a while back, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He'd GREATLY help our rebounding issues, and we could certainly use his athleticism and tenacity from the 4 spot. They were looking to offload him this season already, too.
If we would luck out and get Fultz in the draft, then you could offer up something like AB and Rozier for Faried. I doubt AB alone would do it since they have Harris and Murray already, but Rozier would interest them since they're looking for a PG prospect. You'd have to keep AB in there for salary purposes, and they could use him as trade bait elsewhere (like OKC?). You may or may not have to sweeten the pot with 2nd round picks.
But that'd leave you with a great lineup:
PG: IT, Fultz
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Faried, ? (Maybe Yabu?)
C: Horford, Zizic
really? that much ??
Not sure that AB would do it by himself (I figure they'd trade him for other assets since they have Harris and Murray already), but he'd have to be included at that point due to salary reasons. Also, if we get Fultz, then Rozier would be redundant. So it's not as high of a price as it looks given the context.
It'd be awesome to get him for just AB if possible, but I think one of Rozier or Smart would still need to be traded due to a lack of minutes. That'd be IT, Hayward, Smart, Fultz, Rozier, and Brown that'd all deserve some time at either the 1 or 2 or both, which is a problem. Ideally we'd trade one of them for a bench big, perhaps like O'Quinn of Holmes or something.
I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I wish I could make a farting noise.
Ainge is going to use his assets for stars imo. I also agree with him. Rozier, Crowder, Bradley are all being saved up for one big trade imo.
I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I wish I could make a farting noise.
Ainge is going to use his assets for stars imo. I also agree with him. Rozier, Crowder, Bradley are all being saved up for one big trade imo.
I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I wish I could make a farting noise.
Ainge is going to use his assets for stars imo. I also agree with him. Rozier, Crowder, Bradley are all being saved up for one big trade imo.
The premise of the thread (or at least this particular discussion) is that you've already landed Hayward. So you'd already have IT, Hayward, and Horford as your "stars," if you can call them that. At that point you're looking for the connecting pieces, not additional stars.
We're not going to have the salary to get another star on top of those three. The only real possibility would be an up-and-coming star under a rookie-type contract, like Porzingis for something like the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets. But that would change your whole outlook on team-building.
Unfortunately, I don't see us being a contender with IT, Hayward and Horford as our stars even though we'll probably be spending ~85% of cap on them. If we get the #1 pick, I think we draft Fultz and hope we can draft a star big man in 2018. If Fultz shows his star potential in his rookie season, I'd let IT walk rather than giving him MAX. If we don't get the #1 pick, I'd try to trade the pick plus AB and Crowder for Butler. He has 2 years on his contract so hopefully we could avoid luxury tax until Horford's last year. PG would probably be better but I think there is a good chance he'd be a 1 year rental.I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I wish I could make a farting noise.
Ainge is going to use his assets for stars imo. I also agree with him. Rozier, Crowder, Bradley are all being saved up for one big trade imo.
The premise of the thread (or at least this particular discussion) is that you've already landed Hayward. So you'd already have IT, Hayward, and Horford as your "stars," if you can call them that. At that point you're looking for the connecting pieces, not additional stars.
We're not going to have the salary to get another star on top of those three. The only real possibility would be an up-and-coming star under a rookie-type contract, like Porzingis for something like the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets. But that would change your whole outlook on team-building.
Unfortunately, I don't see us being a contender with IT, Hayward and Horford as our stars even though we'll probably be spending ~85% of cap on them. If we get the #1 pick, I think we draft Fultz and hope we can draft a star big man in 2018. If Fultz shows his star potential in his rookie season, I'd let IT walk rather than giving him MAX. If we don't get the #1 pick, I'd try to trade the pick plus AB and Crowder for Butler. He has 2 years on his contract so hopefully we could avoid luxury tax until Horford's last year. PG would probably be better but I think there is a good chance he'd be a 1 year rental.I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I wish I could make a farting noise.
Ainge is going to use his assets for stars imo. I also agree with him. Rozier, Crowder, Bradley are all being saved up for one big trade imo.
The premise of the thread (or at least this particular discussion) is that you've already landed Hayward. So you'd already have IT, Hayward, and Horford as your "stars," if you can call them that. At that point you're looking for the connecting pieces, not additional stars.
We're not going to have the salary to get another star on top of those three. The only real possibility would be an up-and-coming star under a rookie-type contract, like Porzingis for something like the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets. But that would change your whole outlook on team-building.
I mean he is certainly a good rebounder. I just dont think hes a good enough player to justify trading Avery Bradley and Terry Rozier. You suffer a net value loss there, and a pretty substantial one at that.AB for Faried is an overpay in itself. Faried just isnt that good. Doesnt really defend anymore and his offensive game never developped. Plus he isnt elite on the glass anymore either.On First Take, Max Kellerman thinks Hayward to Boston would be the ABSOLUTE BEST fit for both sides, and could legitimately contend against Cleveland.
Take that as you may.
To me, the issue is, as another thread on here states, if we add Hayward, what other big or PF are we adding? Because then we'd lack depth there with so many departures.
Horford, Zizic, then who? We also lose MLE signing Hayward, so that's not an option either (though that would have been nice for someone like Gibson).
I saw another poster mention Faried a while back, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He'd GREATLY help our rebounding issues, and we could certainly use his athleticism and tenacity from the 4 spot. They were looking to offload him this season already, too.
If we would luck out and get Fultz in the draft, then you could offer up something like AB and Rozier for Faried. I doubt AB alone would do it since they have Harris and Murray already, but Rozier would interest them since they're looking for a PG prospect. You'd have to keep AB in there for salary purposes, and they could use him as trade bait elsewhere (like OKC?). You may or may not have to sweeten the pot with 2nd round picks.
But that'd leave you with a great lineup:
PG: IT, Fultz
SG: Hayward, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Faried, ? (Maybe Yabu?)
C: Horford, Zizic
really? that much ??
Not sure that AB would do it by himself (I figure they'd trade him for other assets since they have Harris and Murray already), but he'd have to be included at that point due to salary reasons. Also, if we get Fultz, then Rozier would be redundant. So it's not as high of a price as it looks given the context.
It'd be awesome to get him for just AB if possible, but I think one of Rozier or Smart would still need to be traded due to a lack of minutes. That'd be IT, Hayward, Smart, Fultz, Rozier, and Brown that'd all deserve some time at either the 1 or 2 or both, which is a problem. Ideally we'd trade one of them for a bench big, perhaps like O'Quinn of Holmes or something.
This season he had an ORB% of 15.5, DRB% of 23.6, and a TRB% of 19.6 with a per-36 number of 12.7 rebounds per game.
Compare that to Horford with an ORB% of 4.9, DRB% of 18.6, and a TRB% of 11.8 with a per-36 number of 7.6 rebounds per game.
His rebounding and athleticism alone would greatly help us. I don't think it's an overpay since we almost have to trade AB anyways due to us not going to be able to pay him what he'll command next year.
Keep in mind a few points:Unfortunately, I don't see us being a contender with IT, Hayward and Horford as our stars even though we'll probably be spending ~85% of cap on them. If we get the #1 pick, I think we draft Fultz and hope we can draft a star big man in 2018. If Fultz shows his star potential in his rookie season, I'd let IT walk rather than giving him MAX. If we don't get the #1 pick, I'd try to trade the pick plus AB and Crowder for Butler. He has 2 years on his contract so hopefully we could avoid luxury tax until Horford's last year. PG would probably be better but I think there is a good chance he'd be a 1 year rental.I'd take a look at Favors. We might be able to buy low on him - he had a down year plagued by injuries and lost his starting job. One year removed from being a very productive player, though, and still only 25.
Favors is a good option, too.
The problem with Favors though is that he expires the same time as Bradley, so it doesn't really help you there. You'd still be faced with the same problem in 2018 as you would with keeping Bradley.
I wish I could make a farting noise.
Ainge is going to use his assets for stars imo. I also agree with him. Rozier, Crowder, Bradley are all being saved up for one big trade imo.
The premise of the thread (or at least this particular discussion) is that you've already landed Hayward. So you'd already have IT, Hayward, and Horford as your "stars," if you can call them that. At that point you're looking for the connecting pieces, not additional stars.
We're not going to have the salary to get another star on top of those three. The only real possibility would be an up-and-coming star under a rookie-type contract, like Porzingis for something like the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets. But that would change your whole outlook on team-building.
While I disagree with those three not being able to make us a contender (I think that would ultimately depend upon the pieces Danny filled in around them and the development of Brown, Fultz, Smart, Rozier, Zizic, etc.), I completely agree about everything else you said, specifically the Fultz or bust/trade mentality and the hope that Fultz can make not paying IT a five year max a reality.
But that's pretty much what I was saying, too - with Al, IT, and Hayward going to be taking up so much of our cap, there's no realistic/economical way to try and pull in another max-level player, too.
But that's pretty much what I was saying, too - with Al, IT, and Hayward going to be taking up so much of our cap, there's no realistic/economical way to try and pull in another max-level player, too.
QuoteBut that's pretty much what I was saying, too - with Al, IT, and Hayward going to be taking up so much of our cap, there's no realistic/economical way to try and pull in another max-level player, too.
It depends upon how much Wyc wants to spend.
We could conceivably have a team of:
Horford / Zizic
KO / ?
Hayward / Crowder
Smart / Brown
IT / Fultz
We could then package KO and Smart to another team to add another max or near-max contract. The only limitation this season is the hard cap (and the 1/15/17 no-trade restrictions) and in future seasons it's the luxury tax.
Bill Simmons invited Mark Titus, an expert on college hoops, on his latest podcast and besides the praise for Markelle Fultz, they mentioned a story about Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens going back to their Butler days.
It starts at the 31:00 mark : https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-draft-lottery-reaction-with-mark-titus-ep-214
Basically : when he was playing at Butler, Hayward's parents had Purdue season tickets and went to all their games. Purdue had offered him a scholarship, he could have played for them (when they were great) but he chose Butler because Brad Stevens was the first to believe in him and kind of recruited him by offering a scholarship when he was not already known as a good player and didn't have his growth spurt. He was loyal to Stevens.
Titus doesn't want to predict if Hayward will want to reunite with Stevens this summer but I thought it was worth sharing this anecdote.
Bill Simmons invited Mark Titus, an expert on college hoops, on his latest podcast and besides the praise for Markelle Fultz, they mentioned a story about Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens going back to their Butler days.
It starts at the 31:00 mark : https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-draft-lottery-reaction-with-mark-titus-ep-214
Basically : when he was playing at Butler, Hayward's parents had Purdue season tickets and went to all their games. Purdue had offered him a scholarship, he could have played for them (when they were great) but he chose Butler because Brad Stevens was the first to believe in him and kind of recruited him by offering a scholarship when he was not already known as a good player and didn't have his growth spurt. He was loyal to Stevens.
Titus doesn't want to predict if Hayward will want to reunite with Stevens this summer but I thought it was worth sharing this anecdote.
TP for that info! Thanks for sharing. Definitely an interesting story/anecdote.
I'm starting to lay off the Hayward train just a bit now though. We'd practically gut this team UNLESS Hayward is willing to take a small pay cut (like 2-3 M/less a year).
Bill Simmons invited Mark Titus, an expert on college hoops, on his latest podcast and besides the praise for Markelle Fultz, they mentioned a story about Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens going back to their Butler days.
It starts at the 31:00 mark : https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-draft-lottery-reaction-with-mark-titus-ep-214
Basically : when he was playing at Butler, Hayward's parents had Purdue season tickets and went to all their games. Purdue had offered him a scholarship, he could have played for them (when they were great) but he chose Butler because Brad Stevens was the first to believe in him and kind of recruited him by offering a scholarship when he was not already known as a good player and didn't have his growth spurt. He was loyal to Stevens.
Titus doesn't want to predict if Hayward will want to reunite with Stevens this summer but I thought it was worth sharing this anecdote.
TP for that info! Thanks for sharing. Definitely an interesting story/anecdote.
I'm starting to lay off the Hayward train just a bit now though. We'd practically gut this team UNLESS Hayward is willing to take a small pay cut (like 2-3 M/less a year).
Bill Simmons invited Mark Titus, an expert on college hoops, on his latest podcast and besides the praise for Markelle Fultz, they mentioned a story about Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens going back to their Butler days.
It starts at the 31:00 mark : https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-draft-lottery-reaction-with-mark-titus-ep-214
Basically : when he was playing at Butler, Hayward's parents had Purdue season tickets and went to all their games. Purdue had offered him a scholarship, he could have played for them (when they were great) but he chose Butler because Brad Stevens was the first to believe in him and kind of recruited him by offering a scholarship when he was not already known as a good player and didn't have his growth spurt. He was loyal to Stevens.
Titus doesn't want to predict if Hayward will want to reunite with Stevens this summer but I thought it was worth sharing this anecdote.
TP for that info! Thanks for sharing. Definitely an interesting story/anecdote.
I'm starting to lay off the Hayward train just a bit now though. We'd practically gut this team UNLESS Hayward is willing to take a small pay cut (like 2-3 M/less a year).
What do you mean by "practically gut"?
If we trade AB for future picks, we probably don't need to move any core players. We'd be substantially upgrading the team, not gutting it.
Horford / Zizic
KO / #37 (Swanigan?) / Room Exception (Nene?)
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Hayward / Smart
IT / Fultz / Rozier(?)
... plus we'd be adding a future asset for AB.
Bill Simmons invited Mark Titus, an expert on college hoops, on his latest podcast and besides the praise for Markelle Fultz, they mentioned a story about Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens going back to their Butler days.
It starts at the 31:00 mark : https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-draft-lottery-reaction-with-mark-titus-ep-214
Basically : when he was playing at Butler, Hayward's parents had Purdue season tickets and went to all their games. Purdue had offered him a scholarship, he could have played for them (when they were great) but he chose Butler because Brad Stevens was the first to believe in him and kind of recruited him by offering a scholarship when he was not already known as a good player and didn't have his growth spurt. He was loyal to Stevens.
Titus doesn't want to predict if Hayward will want to reunite with Stevens this summer but I thought it was worth sharing this anecdote.
TP for that info! Thanks for sharing. Definitely an interesting story/anecdote.
I'm starting to lay off the Hayward train just a bit now though. We'd practically gut this team UNLESS Hayward is willing to take a small pay cut (like 2-3 M/less a year).
What do you mean by "practically gut"?
If we trade AB for future picks, we probably don't need to move any core players. We'd be substantially upgrading the team, not gutting it.
Horford / Zizic
KO / #37 (Swanigan?) / Room Exception (Nene?)
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Hayward / Smart
IT / Fultz / Rozier(?)
... plus we'd be adding a future asset for AB.
Front court depth still looks a bit concerning, and I think I heard somewhere that even Rozier would have to go to make it work out all together.
Then again, I'm no cap expert at all, and I learn something new every day :P
Gordon Hayward will be a free agent this summer, and buzz regarding a reunion with Brad Stevens is starting to ramp up.
According to The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Boston Celtics are "really focused on trying to get Gordon Hayward from Utah in free agency."
Wojnarowski added that he thinks Celtics general manager Danny Ainge will "go really hard after Hayward on July 1."
The Vertical's Chris Mannix has also stated he believes Hayward is the Celtics' top priority as the start of free agency approaches.
"The next step for this team, that's got to be Gordon Hayward," he said on CSN New England's Celtics Pregame Live prior to Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals (h/t NESN.com). "That is a guy who can help this team immediately. And that's a guy I believe is Boston's No. 1 target this summer."
The connection between Hayward and the Celtics is obvious, since the 27-year-old and Stevens previously enjoyed success together at Butler University and nearly captured a national title over the Duke Blue Devils in 2010.
To this point, though, Hayward has not tipped his hand regarding future plans.
"I'm definitely going to take some time off, get away from the game a little bit, enjoy time with family, try to get my body back to 100 percent and recover, and deal with the next chapter of what's going to happen," he said after the Jazz were eliminated in the second round of the playoffs, according to the Deseret News' Jody Genessy.
Should Hayward bolt for Beantown, he will leave quite a bit of cash on the table. As things stand, the Jazz can offer Hayward a five-year deal in the range of $180 million, while the Celtics can pony up $132 million over four years, according to Sporting News' Sean Deveney.
Why would Hayward even consider Boston after this trash performance??I doubt one game impacts his decision much, but if we do this in games 3/4 I doubt he considers us at all.
Why would Hayward even consider Boston after this trash performance??I don't think an overachieving team getting blown out in the ECF really changes anything. Hawks blew the C's out last year. Cs signed Horford. I think if a player wants to go somewhere they go. It's not like the West will be any easier if he decides to stay there. Still had better odds in East imo.
Why would Hayward even consider Boston after this trash performance??
Why would Hayward even consider Boston after this trash performance??
yes .....the love fest with CBS has never went away.
im kinda on the fence with him.
Why would Hayward even consider Boston after this trash performance??I don't think an overachieving team getting blown out in the ECF really changes anything. Hawks blew the C's out last year. Cs signed Horford. I think if a player wants to go somewhere they go. It's not like the West will be any easier if he decides to stay there. Still had better odds in East imo.
Gordon Hayward should, and will most undoubtedly give us a meeting, if he does opt out, which is pretty much assured at this point.
Once that happens, I'm pretty sure our chances got a lot higher. But is he really worth the max?
Hayward is a "key" to unlock Celtics potential to reach the finals
Not only because the team adds one of the top SFs in the league....but also he will be able to
attract FAs... like a PG13
So FAs right now have two choices...join a team for monetary reasons or a team that has a chance to make Conference finals year after year
Aldrige chose the Spurs. Durant chose GSW.
The west - short term WCF = GSW/Spurs
The east - Cavs have no more cap space
This leaves guys like Hayward, PG13 , Butler with limited options (if wanting to make conference finals to have a chance at the finals). Best way would be to join one of Celtics, Raptors, Wizards. Celtics future looks the brightest with Horford, IT4 and two top upcoming picks. Raptors might lose Lowry. Wizards have a tight cap space and may only be able to add a good but not all star calibre player
And look at Bradley Beal and Mike Conley. How many all star games did Beal make before he got his deal? I'm pretty sure he still hasn't made one. Nor has Conley.Gordon Hayward should, and will most undoubtedly give us a meeting, if he does opt out, which is pretty much assured at this point.
Once that happens, I'm pretty sure our chances got a lot higher. But is he really worth the max?
He's worth the max on the open market. It's what all-stars in their prime get. Heck, it's what non-all-stars like Harrison Barnes get.
GORDON HAYWARD MIGHT LOVE US AND CONSIDER US AGAIN!
Hayward is a "key" to unlock Celtics potential to reach the finalsAfter we sign Hayward, we won't have any cap space left. Then next offseason IT, Bradley and Smart are all free agents. So how are we going to pay these free agents we attract? Durant didn't take less to play for GSW and I don't think Aldridge did either to play for the Spurs.
Not only because the team adds one of the top SFs in the league....but also he will be able to
attract FAs... like a PG13
So FAs right now have two choices...join a team for monetary reasons or a team that has a chance to make Conference finals year after year
Aldrige chose the Spurs. Durant chose GSW.
The west - short term WCF = GSW/Spurs
The east - Cavs have no more cap space
This leaves guys like Hayward, PG13 , Butler with limited options (if wanting to make conference finals to have a chance at the finals). Best way would be to join one of Celtics, Raptors, Wizards. Celtics future looks the brightest with Horford, IT4 and two top upcoming picks. Raptors might lose Lowry. Wizards have a tight cap space and may only be able to add a good but not all star calibre player
Hopefully Hayward isn't watching Game 5 and that Game 3 win over CLE w/o Isaiah was a "spark" ;D
Hopefully Hayward isn't watching Game 5 and that Game 3 win over CLE w/o Isaiah was a "spark" ;D
Honestly, you really think watching a game that shows a team needs help will turn away the very help the team may need?
Well, at least we can sell Hayward on the fact that IT was injured, so this series doesn't truly represent these two teams.
Obviously I still don't think we would've won if IT was healthy, but I do think it would've been more competitive and not these blowouts.
Well, at least we can sell Hayward on the fact that IT was injured, so this series doesn't truly represent these two teams.
Obviously I still don't think we would've won if IT was healthy, but I do think it would've been more competitive and not these blowouts.
Yeah, and we could say we were 7 wins away from aFinalsChampionship. Plus adding a #1 pick is not too shabby either. Plus having another lottery pick next season too. ;D
Utah is in pretty good shape too though so I don't blame him if he wants to stay (and they can offer Hayward more $$$ too).
Well, at least we can sell Hayward on the fact that IT was injured, so this series doesn't truly represent these two teams.
Obviously I still don't think we would've won if IT was healthy, but I do think it would've been more competitive and not these blowouts.
Yeah, and we could say we were 7 wins away from aFinalsChampionship. Plus adding a #1 pick is not too shabby either. Plus having another lottery pick next season too. ;D
Utah is in pretty good shape too though so I don't blame him if he wants to stay (and they can offer Hayward more $$$ too).
Well, at least we can sell Hayward on the fact that IT was injured, so this series doesn't truly represent these two teams.
Obviously I still don't think we would've won if IT was healthy, but I do think it would've been more competitive and not these blowouts.
Well, at least we can sell Hayward on the fact that IT was injured, so this series doesn't truly represent these two teams.
Obviously I still don't think we would've won if IT was healthy, but I do think it would've been more competitive and not these blowouts.
I think so too, if everybody was 100 % the Celtics would have played the Cavs closer , still losing more than likely , but maybe a 6 or 7 closer game series without blowouts.
until Lebron starts to break down alittle , they are out spending Boston too with mega contracts , over coming them is going to be tuff.
He will not beat the Warriors sooner than we beat the Cavs. We have a shot at him make no doubt. I just wonder if he was a Celtic fan as a kid.Well, at least we can sell Hayward on the fact that IT was injured, so this series doesn't truly represent these two teams.
Obviously I still don't think we would've won if IT was healthy, but I do think it would've been more competitive and not these blowouts.
I think so too, if everybody was 100 % the Celtics would have played the Cavs closer , still losing more than likely , but maybe a 6 or 7 closer game series without blowouts.
until Lebron starts to break down alittle , they are out spending Boston too with mega contracts , over coming them is going to be tuff.
If Lebron loses even a touch in the next few years, East is WIDE OPEN.
Without him, Cavs are trash, even with Irving+Love.
Meanwhile, C's will keep adding talent next year or two and developing the young guys.
Hopefully we can sell Hayward on that too.
Tom Brady. IT4. PP34. KG. Ainge. Horford. David Ortiz. Fultz. Jaylen.
I expect them all right outside Hayward's door before midnight, July 1, and right after it strikes midnight, they knock. :laugh:
http://www.gordonhayward20.life/2017/06/01/the-finals-2/Yeah they say Utah is a good place(team), but they aren't!
Gordon Hayward on his blog wrote a prediction for the series.
HE PREDICTS WARRIORS WIN IN 5 OR 6 GAMES... :o :laugh:
Maybe he sees the writing on the wall and realizes the East is a tad bit easier than West, especially if Lebron loses a touch in the next few years... ???
Tom Brady. IT4. PP34. KG. Ainge. Horford. David Ortiz. Fultz. Jaylen.
I expect them all right outside Hayward's door before midnight, July 1, and right after it strikes midnight, they knock. :laugh:
Hayward isn't Durant so TB12, Big Papi, PP, and KG can stay home and get a good night's rest.
@jpotter33 may be on to something.
If Warriors sweep or take this in 5 (likely), Hayward could see the West overall as a whole lot more difficult and as we see with Cleveland, once Lebron loses a touch (hopefully in 3 years), the Cavs are trash and East is there for the taking.
Plus Celtics adding a #1 pick in Fultz who can be Irving 2.0 or even a Harden with slightly better defense (ceiling IMO).
Even Hayward predicted Warriors win in 5 or 6 games.
@jpotter33 may be on to something.
If Warriors sweep or take this in 5 (likely), Hayward could see the West overall as a whole lot more difficult and as we see with Cleveland, once Lebron loses a touch (hopefully in 3 years), the Cavs are trash and East is there for the taking.
Plus Celtics adding a #1 pick in Fultz who can be Irving 2.0 or even a Harden with slightly better defense (ceiling IMO).
Even Hayward predicted Warriors win in 5 or 6 games.
he is right.....Celtics are closer to beating Cavs than Utah is to beating GS.
@jpotter33 may be on to something.
If Warriors sweep or take this in 5 (likely), Hayward could see the West overall as a whole lot more difficult and as we see with Cleveland, once Lebron loses a touch (hopefully in 3 years), the Cavs are trash and East is there for the taking.
Plus Celtics adding a #1 pick in Fultz who can be Irving 2.0 or even a Harden with slightly better defense (ceiling IMO).
Even Hayward predicted Warriors win in 5 or 6 games.
he is right.....Celtics are closer to beating Cavs than Utah is to beating GS.
Celtics are closer to beating Warriors than they are to beating Cavs.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics/They also mention that Hayward can make much more money with the HEAT because FlL has no state income tax....
Bleacher also posted the same.
Looks like it's between Utah, Boston, AND Miami for Hayward. Miami has just as good chances as Boston if Hayward does leave, to sign him.
Here's Marc Stein's tweet:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F)
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics/They also mention that Hayward can make much more money with the HEAT because FlL has no state income tax....
Bleacher also posted the same.
Looks like it's between Utah, Boston, AND Miami for Hayward. Miami has just as good chances as Boston if Hayward does leave, to sign him.
Here's Marc Stein's tweet:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F)
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics/They also mention that Hayward can make much more money with the HEAT because FlL has no state income tax....
Bleacher also posted the same.
Looks like it's between Utah, Boston, AND Miami for Hayward. Miami has just as good chances as Boston if Hayward does leave, to sign him.
Here's Marc Stein's tweet:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F)
Unfortunately that is true as well. It's all because they managed to clear all that cap because of Bosh, ugh.. (not "ugh" at Bosh, but that the Heat managed to clear off all that cap space and now become a threat in the Hayward chase).
This rumor is picking up A LOT OF STEAM as well.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics/They also mention that Hayward can make much more money with the HEAT because FlL has no state income tax....
Bleacher also posted the same.
Looks like it's between Utah, Boston, AND Miami for Hayward. Miami has just as good chances as Boston if Hayward does leave, to sign him.
Here's Marc Stein's tweet:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/873176499209109504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Freport-jazz-just-as-worried-gordon-hayward-will-sign-with-heat-as-celtics%2F)
Unfortunately that is true as well. It's all because they managed to clear all that cap because of Bosh, ugh.. (not "ugh" at Bosh, but that the Heat managed to clear off all that cap space and now become a threat in the Hayward chase).
This rumor is picking up A LOT OF STEAM as well.
It's only picking up steam because there's nothing to write about.
That's not to say Miami doesn't have a chance. They absolutely do. But they've been rumored to be in the running all season long -- there's nothing new except that Bosh is officially off the books, which allows writers bereft of stories a "new" angle. They're still the number 3 team behind Utah and Boston, in that order. You'd have to give me some really good odds in order for me to bet that Hayward winds up in Miami.
Miami did not make the playoffs last year. How much does Hayward really help them? His chances of competing for championships so much better with Celtics. If that is not his first concern, then he will just stay with the Jazz.
Miami did not make the playoffs last year. How much does Hayward really help them? His chances of competing for championships so much better with Celtics. If that is not his first concern, then he will just stay with the Jazz.
Yeah, plus Heat may have to pay Waiters. Without Waiters, they aren't even close to sniffing the postseason last year.
If they add Hayward but lose Waiters, I still only see a 6-7 seed AT best (or possibly another 9-10 seed who barely misses out).
The article on Hayward to the cHeat has no credibility to me when it cites one of the reasons Hayward is/would consider Miami is " the winning culture there."..... really?
Miami has never made sense as a destination for Hayward to me. If he's looking for more money, then Utah is the obvious choice over a Miami. If he's looking for the best path to the Finals, winning, and a sustained bright future, then Boston is clearly the better choice over Miami.
Literally the only advantage Miami has over the other two is the night life scene/weather, but I think Hayward is one of the few NBA players where he's not really into all that stuff.
I think this is mainly Riley putting this crap out there to increase his chances. After this Finals series, I think he's more likely to leave than to stay in Utah, and I think we're the only realistic destination for him to go to meet all of his goals.
this was a breakout season of sorts for Waiters who is still just 25.Miami did not make the playoffs last year. How much does Hayward really help them? His chances of competing for championships so much better with Celtics. If that is not his first concern, then he will just stay with the Jazz.
Yeah, plus Heat may have to pay Waiters. Without Waiters, they aren't even close to sniffing the postseason last year.
If they add Hayward but lose Waiters, I still only see a 6-7 seed AT best (or possibly another 9-10 seed who barely misses out).
Waiters didn't have a huge market last summer. Sure, it's improved, but if the Heat stretch McRoberts they'll be able to give Waiters over $10 million per year after signing Hayward.
How much over 10M? I'd think the Sixers or the Nets would go at least that high. The Sixers or Nets could front load the contract. There could also be a question of the number of years.Miami did not make the playoffs last year. How much does Hayward really help them? His chances of competing for championships so much better with Celtics. If that is not his first concern, then he will just stay with the Jazz.
Yeah, plus Heat may have to pay Waiters. Without Waiters, they aren't even close to sniffing the postseason last year.
If they add Hayward but lose Waiters, I still only see a 6-7 seed AT best (or possibly another 9-10 seed who barely misses out).
Waiters didn't have a huge market last summer. Sure, it's improved, but if the Heat stretch McRoberts they'll be able to give Waiters over $10 million per year after signing Hayward.
Never underestimate Riley....
Miami might be a bigger threat than Utah.
How much over 10M? I'd think the Sixers or the Nets would go at least that high. The Sixers or Nets could front load the contract. There could also be a question of the number of years.Miami did not make the playoffs last year. How much does Hayward really help them? His chances of competing for championships so much better with Celtics. If that is not his first concern, then he will just stay with the Jazz.
Yeah, plus Heat may have to pay Waiters. Without Waiters, they aren't even close to sniffing the postseason last year.
If they add Hayward but lose Waiters, I still only see a 6-7 seed AT best (or possibly another 9-10 seed who barely misses out).
Waiters didn't have a huge market last summer. Sure, it's improved, but if the Heat stretch McRoberts they'll be able to give Waiters over $10 million per year after signing Hayward.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Weird theory here:
Because of Mrs Hayward's gaff, to throw off league scrutiny on Hayward being a done deal with us and perhaps negated by the league, Hayward will take calls and interviews with at least the Heat if not other teams.
He's coming here.
I know that the Miami thing was out there before the picture with stupid stuff like a "winning culture" being proffered as one reason and the chance to play with Whiteside/Dragic as the other (rather than IT/Horford?, please), but it gained traction because of the picture.
How would anybody know that Hayward was interested in the Heat? Because his agent told people this.
Why would he tell people this? Everybody can give him the same max (except Jazz), so what benefit does a leak like that confer? None, monetarily that I can see.
Hayward will be a Celtic or stay a Jazz...screw the Heat and Pat Riley.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Weird theory here:
Because of Mrs Hayward's gaff, to throw off league scrutiny on Hayward being a done deal with us and perhaps negated by the league, Hayward will take calls and interviews with at least the Heat if not other teams.
He's coming here.
I know that the Miami thing was out there before the picture with stupid stuff like a "winning culture" being proffered as one reason and the chance to play with Whiteside/Dragic as the other (rather than IT/Horford?, please), but it gained traction because of the picture.
How would anybody know that Hayward was interested in the Heat? Because his agent told people this.
Why would he tell people this? Everybody can give him the same max (except Jazz), so what benefit does a leak like that confer? None, monetarily that I can see.
Hayward will be a Celtic or stay a Jazz...screw the Heat and Pat Riley.
Yeah, I really don't see the logic in him choosing Miami. It will be Utah or Boston.
Then again, I was certain there was no way Durant would go to GS, so...
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Weird theory here:
Because of Mrs Hayward's gaff, to throw off league scrutiny on Hayward being a done deal with us and perhaps negated by the league, Hayward will take calls and interviews with at least the Heat if not other teams.
He's coming here.
I know that the Miami thing was out there before the picture with stupid stuff like a "winning culture" being proffered as one reason and the chance to play with Whiteside/Dragic as the other (rather than IT/Horford?, please), but it gained traction because of the picture.
How would anybody know that Hayward was interested in the Heat? Because his agent told people this.
Why would he tell people this? Everybody can give him the same max (except Jazz), so what benefit does a leak like that confer? None, monetarily that I can see.
Hayward will be a Celtic or stay a Jazz...screw the Heat and Pat Riley.
Yeah, I really don't see the logic in him choosing Miami. It will be Utah or Boston.
Then again, I was certain there was no way Durant would go to GS, so...
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Weird theory here:
Because of Mrs Hayward's gaff, to throw off league scrutiny on Hayward being a done deal with us and perhaps negated by the league, Hayward will take calls and interviews with at least the Heat if not other teams.
He's coming here.
I know that the Miami thing was out there before the picture with stupid stuff like a "winning culture" being proffered as one reason and the chance to play with Whiteside/Dragic as the other (rather than IT/Horford?, please), but it gained traction because of the picture.
How would anybody know that Hayward was interested in the Heat? Because his agent told people this.
Why would he tell people this? Everybody can give him the same max (except Jazz), so what benefit does a leak like that confer? None, monetarily that I can see.
Hayward will be a Celtic or stay a Jazz...screw the Heat and Pat Riley.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/13/utah-jazz-rumors-boston-celtics-now-favorite-land-gordon-hayward/
Some NBA sources supposedly reporting that Boston is now the favorite to land Hayward after the Warriors' dismantling of the Cavs in the Finals.
I'm not sure how credible/reliable this guy's sources are, but the logic of this is something that many of us on here have been pushing for awhile. And with all of the other smoke around Hayward to Boston, it might be time to seriously consider us as the favorites at this point.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Maybe but at the same time, I wonder, the more it seems likely Lebron leaves Cleveland in a few years, it may sway him our way.
I mean, without Lebron in the East, it's WIDE OPEN for the C's to take.
And Lowry and Millsap may leave too which means it could be between WAS-BOS in the East (again, assuming Lebron could legitimately bolt in a few years).
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Maybe but at the same time, I wonder, the more it seems likely Lebron leaves Cleveland in a few years, it may sway him our way.
I mean, without Lebron in the East, it's WIDE OPEN for the C's to take.
And Lowry and Millsap may leave too which means it could be between WAS-BOS in the East (again, assuming Lebron could legitimately bolt in a few years).
It was rumored today that Lebron is giving Cleveland one more year. Then he's off to one of the LA clubs. Which makes sense that he'd wait till PG13 was there, and I'm now thinking IT is going to bounce.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Maybe but at the same time, I wonder, the more it seems likely Lebron leaves Cleveland in a few years, it may sway him our way.
I mean, without Lebron in the East, it's WIDE OPEN for the C's to take.
And Lowry and Millsap may leave too which means it could be between WAS-BOS in the East (again, assuming Lebron could legitimately bolt in a few years).
It was rumored today that Lebron is giving Cleveland one more year. Then he's off to one of the LA clubs. Which makes sense that he'd wait till PG13 was there, and I'm now thinking IT is going to bounce.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Maybe but at the same time, I wonder, the more it seems likely Lebron leaves Cleveland in a few years, it may sway him our way.
I mean, without Lebron in the East, it's WIDE OPEN for the C's to take.
And Lowry and Millsap may leave too which means it could be between WAS-BOS in the East (again, assuming Lebron could legitimately bolt in a few years).
It was rumored today that Lebron is giving Cleveland one more year. Then he's off to one of the LA clubs. Which makes sense that he'd wait till PG13 was there, and I'm now thinking IT is going to bounce.
Why would IT leave? We'd have a clear path to the Finals.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Maybe but at the same time, I wonder, the more it seems likely Lebron leaves Cleveland in a few years, it may sway him our way.
I mean, without Lebron in the East, it's WIDE OPEN for the C's to take.
And Lowry and Millsap may leave too which means it could be between WAS-BOS in the East (again, assuming Lebron could legitimately bolt in a few years).
It was rumored today that Lebron is giving Cleveland one more year. Then he's off to one of the LA clubs. Which makes sense that he'd wait till PG13 was there, and I'm now thinking IT is going to bounce.
So apparently, the interest between Hayward and the Heat is mutual, and "very real". LOTS of reports indicating this now. :(I dont really buy into the idea that the finals will really affect Hayward's decision.
Meanwhile, if GSW closes this out in 5, it may help us in the pursuit of Hayward.
Maybe but at the same time, I wonder, the more it seems likely Lebron leaves Cleveland in a few years, it may sway him our way.
I mean, without Lebron in the East, it's WIDE OPEN for the C's to take.
And Lowry and Millsap may leave too which means it could be between WAS-BOS in the East (again, assuming Lebron could legitimately bolt in a few years).
It was rumored today that Lebron is giving Cleveland one more year. Then he's off to one of the LA clubs. Which makes sense that he'd wait till PG13 was there, and I'm now thinking IT is going to bounce.
I don't buy that. I don't think he could gut Cleveland like that and leave again.
In other news, I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
I will not get my hopes up for Gordon Hayward.
Darn it, I'm getting my hopes up.
If Hayward isn't the starting SF on a championship team (beating Lebron and KD), why should we get all crazy about signing him? He's a good, not great player. Don't we have enough players outside the top 20?
If Hayward isn't the starting SF on a championship team (beating Lebron and KD), why should we get all crazy about signing him? He's a good, not great player. Don't we have enough players outside the top 20?
For me, it's not all or nothing, Championship or bust. Hayward will cement us as a top 5 team in the NBA. I don't believe there is anything we can to top Cleveland and GS in the next few years and that's ok. I enjoy the journey, I enjoy watching high quality basketball. Of course there's a small chance we could get past Cleveland especially if Lebron or Irving have an injury. The same is true for the finals.
The great thing is that we can be a competitive team in the next few years with a realistic hope of being a great team beyond that as our young guys develop. That's a nice place to be.
If Hayward isn't the starting SF on a championship team (beating Lebron and KD), why should we get all crazy about signing him? He's a good, not great player. Don't we have enough players outside the top 20?
For me, it's not all or nothing, Championship or bust. Hayward will cement us as a top 5 team in the NBA. I don't believe there is anything we can to top Cleveland and GS in the next few years and that's ok. I enjoy the journey, I enjoy watching high quality basketball. Of course there's a small chance we could get past Cleveland especially if Lebron or Irving have an injury. The same is true for the finals.
The great thing is that we can be a competitive team in the next few years with a realistic hope of being a great team beyond that as our young guys develop. That's a nice place to be.
Plus Hayward could be a part of that young core as well going forward. He fits the age timeline very well.
Not sure if anybody seen this but for what it's worth...
http://nesn.com/2017/06/isaiah-thomas-followed-gordon-hayward-on-instagram-and-people-freaked-out/
IT4 followed Gordon Hayward on Instagram!!! ;D
No one player is going to win us a title, adding two elite players in Fultz and Hayward without giving up anything other than cap space is our best course
http://twitter.com/celticsblog/status/876783662779383809I want to see a lineup of Smart, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Crowder next season. All wings team. ;)
"Insider: Around the NBA there is an expectation that Hayward will be a Celtic."
I still think Hayward is more than likely a Celtic, but seeing the larger plan with these current moves is a little blurry to me at the moment. Another shoe has to drop, at the very least to pick up our starter at the 4 spot, which we currently don't have.
Jazz traded #24 and Lyles for pick #13.
Now they traded #30 and #42 for #28 with the Lakers.
The vibe is that the Jazz are preparing for life without Hayward. Might be a good sign for us ;D
If Conley can get a max from Grizz, Hayward will get one from Jazz. Hayward isn't going to be available.
Does anyone know if Hayward has even opted-out of his contract yet?According to Bleacher Report, it hasn't officially happened yet but it seems like a foregone conclusion. Even if he wants to stay in Utah, it still makes sense for him to opt out.
I've heard lots of reports about him considering teams and what not, but not an official word on him opting-out :o
We heard CP3 and Griffin say they'll opt out yesterday, and Millsap opted-out a while ago.
Does anyone know if Hayward has even opted-out of his contract yet?According to Bleacher Report, it hasn't officially happened yet but it seems like a foregone conclusion. Even if he wants to stay in Utah, it still makes sense for him to opt out.
I've heard lots of reports about him considering teams and what not, but not an official word on him opting-out :o
We heard CP3 and Griffin say they'll opt out yesterday, and Millsap opted-out a while ago.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717690-nba-free-agency-2017-latest-rumors-and-predictions-for-gordon-hayward-and-more
not sure why he would pick miami if he wants to win. that team is one and done if they make the playoffs.
Boston was the #1 seed and made it to the ECF. if Hayward is going east so that he has a better chance of contending the Celtics are the clear choice
Utah Jazz content provider Hayley Byrnes put players on the spot last week with the question: “Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady?”
Like cheese or chocolate, there’s no wrong choice.
Most went with Brady, but Gordon Hayward said because he’s a Colts fan, he prefers Rodgers.
“Can’t stand Tom Brady,” he said.
No truth to the rumor Brady immediately called for a ring count.
Miami fans didn't even show up to games when bosh and lebron came to town lol
Miami fans didn't even show up to games when bosh and lebron came to town lol
Their fans a pathetic. They also look super greasy. All the court side seats look like a vacation spot for trashy persians.
is overly gelled hair and tribal tattoos one of the requirements to sit courtside at heat games? I always thought it wasMiami fans didn't even show up to games when bosh and lebron came to town lol
Their fans a pathetic. They also look super greasy. All the court side seats look like a vacation spot for trashy persians.
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is overly gelled hair and tribal tattoos one of the requirements to sit courtside at heat games? I always thought it wasMiami fans didn't even show up to games when bosh and lebron came to town lol
Their fans a pathetic. They also look super greasy. All the court side seats look like a vacation spot for trashy persians.
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Tony Jones on Hayward: #Celtics have a shot to steal him away from #Jazz
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This guy is a reliable Jazz reporter too, so... 8)
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Tony Jones on Hayward: #Celtics have a shot to steal him away from #Jazz
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This guy is a reliable Jazz reporter too, so... 8)
Holy hypertension, Tony.
I look forward to some peace from the stupid rumors and speculations.
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League sources: Gordon Hayward just officially notified Utah he's declining his 2017-18 player option to become an unrestricted free agent
Hayward has to see the writing on the wall regarding the West. Quick Recap:
1. Joe Ingles MAY END UP LEAVING as early as tonight to Orlando maybe, or another team, since it looks like his price will be 15-17M/year (difficult for the Jazz to keep him)
2. Blake Griffin is staying, and while the Clippers may overall slightly regress, they are still a playoff team in the West.
3. George Hill is gone, and PROBABLY going to San Antonio, strengthening them even more. Spurs ALSO looking at Iguodala.
Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
Another source confirms that Gordon Hayward really wants the Utah Jazz to bring back George Hill. His decision could hinge on that.
Ughhh if Utah does bring George Hill back...
Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJodyIf they bring back Hill, Ingles is gone and also if they sign both Hill and Hayward, they are way over the cap. Does Utah want to be the luxury tax for a 5-7seed?
Another source confirms that Gordon Hayward really wants the Utah Jazz to bring back George Hill. His decision could hinge on that.
Ughhh if Utah does bring George Hill back...
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
Ah, the coping has started.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
Ah, the coping has started.
Do you not? Why would he stay out West if he wants to win? At best they're the 5th best team in the West, but arguments can be made that Minnesota, Portland, and Denver are all just as good if not better than them this coming year.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
Ah, the coping has started.
Do you not? Why would he stay out West if he wants to win? At best they're the 5th best team in the West, but arguments can be made that Minnesota, Portland, and Denver are all just as good if not better than them this coming year.
I think the C's overestimate themselves a bit.
It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if he chose Miami.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
Ah, the coping has started.
Do you not? Why would he stay out West if he wants to win? At best they're the 5th best team in the West, but arguments can be made that Minnesota, Portland, and Denver are all just as good if not better than them this coming year.
I think the C's overestimate themselves a bit.
It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if he chose Miami.
According to a league source, Gordon Hayward will be in Boston for his visit with the Celtics on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/880984017268596736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celticsQuoteAccording to a league source, Gordon Hayward will be in Boston for his visit with the Celtics on Sunday.
Danny's pitch should be pretty simple:
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Brad Stevens talking with Hayward.
Brad's wife talking with Hayward's wife.
BETTER BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
ESPN and twitter point out that we're less likely to get Haywardifnow that we can't add George. But this also affects the Heat's pitch.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
1. Golden State, 2. San Antonio, 3. Houston, 4. Minnesota Timberwolves, 5. LA Clippers, 6. Portland Trail Blazers, 7. New Orleans Pelicans
...yeah. The 8th spot is anyone's grab in the West.
ESPN trying to ramrod Miami for Hayward. Geez..all the arguments you made for Miami...you can make them for Boston
If a big-time NBA free agent takes meetings with other teams ... do they ever go back home? Great q from @coachthorpe a year ago.
Don't think Boston get Hayward either
I'm not optimistic. At this point, I'm just hoping we can make it to the meeting.
I mean, after thinking about it more I almost think this George trade sealed Hayward to Boston, or to a lesser extent Miami. If he truly wants to win, that's only going to happen in the East. There are 4 teams that are significantly better than Utah out West that they have no chance of catching any time soon.
1. Golden State, 2. San Antonio, 3. Houston, 4. Minnesota Timberwolves, 5. LA Clippers, 6. Portland Trail Blazers, 7. New Orleans Pelicans
...yeah. The 8th spot is anyone's grab in the West.
You forgot OKC, which I think is the clear-cut 4 or 5 seed
ESPN trying to ramrod Miami for Hayward. Geez..all the arguments you made for Miami...you can make them for Boston
ESPN in a nutshell. Always hating on Boston or dropping "roasts" their way whenever they can ::)
Woj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
Yeah, my money is always on the incumbents, especially if they are willing to give him the max without qualification.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
Boston does not get Hayward they will be the biggest loser this offseason. On the verge of getting George and Hayward only to resigning KO and Zeller.
Boy what a bad summer
If your worst off-season ever consists of losing your 7th best player (Amir) and adding the #3 pick in a stacked draft, then you've got one hell of a track record.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
This could be the worst offseason ever
Big stars moved
Cousins (febraury)
Butler
George
Paul
Etc
Ainge lost his touch
QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
Uh oh...
If we don't get Hayward this will be depressing.
From Fultz + Hayward to possibly Tatum + Olynyk & Dead Weight...
Love Tatum still but dang...
If your worst off-season ever consists of losing your 7th best player (Amir) and adding the #3 pick in a stacked draft, then you've got one hell of a track record.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
This could be the worst offseason ever
Big stars moved
Cousins (febraury)
Butler
George
Paul
Etc
Ainge lost his touch
If your worst off-season ever consists of losing your 7th best player (Amir) and adding the #3 pick in a stacked draft, then you've got one hell of a track record.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
This could be the worst offseason ever
Big stars moved
Cousins (febraury)
Butler
George
Paul
Etc
Ainge lost his touch
Last year we signed Al Horford...If your worst off-season ever consists of losing your 7th best player (Amir) and adding the #3 pick in a stacked draft, then you've got one hell of a track record.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
This could be the worst offseason ever
Big stars moved
Cousins (febraury)
Butler
George
Paul
Etc
Ainge lost his touch
But this team is no better than last year. Tatum, KO and Zeller do nothing to move the needle.
Getting tired of well we will strike next season only to be built around rookies and scrap heap journeymen
Last year we signed Al Horford...If your worst off-season ever consists of losing your 7th best player (Amir) and adding the #3 pick in a stacked draft, then you've got one hell of a track record.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
This could be the worst offseason ever
Big stars moved
Cousins (febraury)
Butler
George
Paul
Etc
Ainge lost his touch
But this team is no better than last year. Tatum, KO and Zeller do nothing to move the needle.
Getting tired of well we will strike next season only to be built around rookies and scrap heap journeymen
That's awfully quick to develop this fatigue.
Boston does not get Hayward they will be the biggest loser this offseason. On the verge of getting George and Hayward only to resigning KO and Zeller.
Boy what a bad summer
Agreed.
Allegedly, we didn't want to make any deadline deals because we wanted to keep cap space open. We don't do anything of significance, this off-season is a resounding failure.
That's why you are frustrated?Last year we signed Al Horford...If your worst off-season ever consists of losing your 7th best player (Amir) and adding the #3 pick in a stacked draft, then you've got one hell of a track record.QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.
This could be the worst offseason ever
Big stars moved
Cousins (febraury)
Butler
George
Paul
Etc
Ainge lost his touch
But this team is no better than last year. Tatum, KO and Zeller do nothing to move the needle.
Getting tired of well we will strike next season only to be built around rookies and scrap heap journeymen
That's awfully quick to develop this fatigue.
And missed on KD...resigned bums like Zeller, Green and kept James Young.
If we miss Hayward...
then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.
If we miss Hayward...
then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.
Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.
Doing nothing is just unacceptable.
If we miss Hayward...
then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.
Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.
Doing nothing is just unacceptable.
Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?
If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.
He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.
If we miss Hayward...
then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.
Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.
Doing nothing is just unacceptable.
Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?
If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.
He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.
You have an absurd definition of failure. The plan was four years ago to collect high draft picks and try to strike in free agency in the future. The plan became more successful quickly than people expected, and since he taking that final are is by far the most difficult, he should be canned?
I thank every day that Wyc and Co. run the Celtics, and not forum posters.
Seriously, the Celtics and Sixers started their teardown on the same day. The Sixers made their best picks earlier in the process -- the Celtics picks weren't going to come for 3-5 years later. The teams had the same plan. Except in the meanwhile, the Celtics have a top team, and they will continue to have a top team next year.
There are 3-5 franchise championship players in the NBA at any given time. The Celtics don't have one, right now. You can win without one, as we did in 2008, but it's difficult, the margin for error small, and the likelihood of repeating is low. Paul George was not one of those players. Gordon Hayward is not one of those players. Isaiah Thomas is not ore. Al Horford is not one. Maybe (MAYBE) having all four would have been enough to replicate 2008. But otherwise, we're getting that player through the draft. Maybe we already have him in Tatum. We took a swing last year in trying to get one (Durant) through free agency. That opportunity isn't coming along again for awhile.
While we wait for that championship player to come along, we'll still be very good. Maybe one of those players becomes available for trade (Davis), and then Ainge will break open the piggy bank. George is a terrific player, but Ainge was right to hold onto the best chance he has for that championship player, which is Tatum, Brown, and the Brooklyn and Lakers/Kings picks.
The goal in Boston is Banner 18, 19, and 20. It's not about losing less badly to Cleveland next year.
Boogie wasn't a cap based decision. He was a personality based decision. You weren't getting Butler or George without giving up huge assets.If we miss Hayward...
then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.
Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.
Doing nothing is just unacceptable.
Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?
If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.
He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.
You have an absurd definition of failure. The plan was four years ago to collect high draft picks and try to strike in free agency in the future. The plan became more successful quickly than people expected, and since he taking that final are is by far the most difficult, he should be canned?
I thank every day that Wyc and Co. run the Celtics, and not forum posters.
Seriously, the Celtics and Sixers started their teardown on the same day. The Sixers made their best picks earlier in the process -- the Celtics picks weren't going to come for 3-5 years later. The teams had the same plan. Except in the meanwhile, the Celtics have a top team, and they will continue to have a top team next year.
There are 3-5 franchise championship players in the NBA at any given time. The Celtics don't have one, right now. You can win without one, as we did in 2008, but it's difficult, the margin for error small, and the likelihood of repeating is low. Paul George was not one of those players. Gordon Hayward is not one of those players. Isaiah Thomas is not ore. Al Horford is not one. Maybe (MAYBE) having all four would have been enough to replicate 2008. But otherwise, we're getting that player through the draft. Maybe we already have him in Tatum. We took a swing last year in trying to get one (Durant) through free agency. That opportunity isn't coming along again for awhile.
While we wait for that championship player to come along, we'll still be very good. Maybe one of those players becomes available for trade (Davis), and then Ainge will break open the piggy bank. George is a terrific player, but Ainge was right to hold onto the best chance he has for that championship player, which is Tatum, Brown, and the Brooklyn and Lakers/Kings picks.
The goal in Boston is Banner 18, 19, and 20. It's not about losing less badly to Cleveland next year.
You know what's absurd? Saving up cap room by passing on making deals last February to improve the team and not use it.
I wasn't asking to give up the diamond assets, just give up something. Improve the team, make it better. But sure, we need cap room because we can sign a marquee free agent.
Well, here we are, and it looks like we are going to miss out on one.
Call it absurd all you want, but in most professions, if you don't execute a plan, its a failure. If we don't sign Gordon Hayward this year, its a massive failure for the off season. If we don't get back to the ECF, maybe because we didn't improve the team, its a failure of a year. And Danny has to be accountable for that.
We could still had Tatum and enough assets for that Championship piece you're talking about while having Boogie as well if we didn't pass on him. But cap room is apparently more important. Okay, if we don't use it for something significant, what now?
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
UH OH...
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Boston does not get Hayward they will be the biggest loser this offseason. On the verge of getting George and Hayward only to resigning KO and Zeller.True!!! But look on the bright side, we got boat loads of picks with a loaded roster already ugh
Boy what a bad summer
UH OH...
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Lol makes sense to me at this point. Nothing has gone right for us. Ainge put all his baskets on Hayward hahaha.
Boston does not get Hayward they will be the biggest loser this offseason. On the verge of getting George and Hayward only to resigning KO and Zeller.True!!! But look on the bright side, we got boat loads of picks with a loaded roster already ugh
Boy what a bad summer
UH OH...Cons: you will never win anything in Miami.
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Guys, come on. We all knew there were going to be "reports" about Hayward to Miami today. That's what always happens. Remember last year when Durant's LA meeting supposedly went so well that he was supposedly willing to take a paycut to go there? Lol
I still don't see Miami as a legit threat. We're a significantly better team than them, and we're much better positioned for a Finals run than them. It doesn't make sense for him to choose Miami over Boston. He really doesn't seem to be the "lifestyle" kind of guy that Miami offers, and the "featured scoring role" also doesn't seem to be A) in line with his character, and B) making that much sense, since he'll still get literally any shot he wants in Boston.
And think of it this way - if he truly does want to go to Miami due to the lifestyle and prominent scoring role, is he really a Celtics type of player?
But that doesn't really matter, because it's very, very, very difficult for me to see these things mattering all that much to him. He wants to win, and at this point Boston is head and shoulders above Miami and Utah in the West in that regard.
I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.Stevens is not that great. He lost us games with his poor rotations and refusal to take timeouts.
Don't buy it.
I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.
Don't buy it.
I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.
Don't buy it.
I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.Stevens is not that great.
Don't buy it.
Yeah we get that you hate Stevens and too many free agents, I could see spo being an advantage but this is obviously a unique situation. Advantage Stevens by far.I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.Stevens is not that great. He lost us games with his poor rotations and refusal to take timeouts.
Don't buy it.
Honestly, if at this stage Miami is the favorites, then I like our chances even more. It means, if we take the news as legit as it is, that he's very willing to leave Utah.
Pat Riley is the biggest snake in the game. He will absolutely dirty recruit against Boston and Ainge. Anyone who is not concerned about this is crazyCould you be more specific?
Something that no other coach has ever done. Yes, koz, we were all still aware of your dislike for stevens.I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.Stevens is not that great. He lost us games with his poor rotations and refusal to take timeouts.
Don't buy it.
Pat Riley is the biggest snake in the game. He will absolutely dirty recruit against Boston and Ainge. Anyone who is not concerned about this is crazyCould you be more specific?
I don't get how spoelstra is a draw. Terrific coach, but can't see Hayward picking him over Snyder and Stevens.Stevens is not that great. He lost us games with his poor rotations and refusal to take timeouts.
Don't buy it.
UH OH...Kevin O'Connor was one of the people who didn't vote avery Bradley into the All-defensive team this year: https://mobile.twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/879746985611468801/photo/1
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Thanks. But if that is rileys best shot, I am sure the Celtics leadership can counter that.Pat Riley is the biggest snake in the game. He will absolutely dirty recruit against Boston and Ainge. Anyone who is not concerned about this is crazyCould you be more specific?
He is going to go after Ainge about how he cannot get big names to play in Boston. How he only cares about picks and how he has no plan. They went over this last night on ESPN. Riley hates Ainge and will do anything to make him look bad...see the Ray Allen deal
The only significant advantage Miami has (and it is sigjnificant) is that they have max cap room today, whereas we have to do a little work.
UH OH...Cons: you will never win anything in Miami.
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
“He made a wise choice,” Hayward’s father told Thayer Evans of the New York Times in 2010. “Gordon really fit perfect into their style of play, the Butler way.”
Hayward and Stevens made for an easy match. “Gordon’s a really intelligent player who understands the game well,” says Matt Howard, the former bruising four-year Bulldog. “Put that with his willingness to do whatever is asked of him, and it’s exactly what Brad wants.”
Moreover, Stevens and Hayward share the same calm demeanor. Stevens, according to Zach Hahn, who played four seasons at Butler, “wouldn’t raise his voice, but he’d say something negative in a calm voice, and you felt like you let him down. It wasn’t a lack of intensity, it was just who he was, and he demanded the best.”
That worked for Hayward, who, according to the coaching staff, didn’t respond well to yelling.
Says Hahn: “Gordon was so unassuming. He was just a down-home Indiana kid who liked playing basketball.”
BTW, UTA is confident they're keeping him FWIW. I would think they're the favorites as most UFAs stay put.
Pat Riley is the biggest snake in the game. He will absolutely dirty recruit against Boston and Ainge. Anyone who is not concerned about this is crazyCould you be more specific?
He is going to go after Ainge about how he cannot get big names to play in Boston. How he only cares about picks and how he has no plan. They went over this last night on ESPN. Riley hates Ainge and will do anything to make him look bad...see the Ray Allen deal
Pat Riley is the biggest snake in the game. He will absolutely dirty recruit against Boston and Ainge. Anyone who is not concerned about this is crazyCould you be more specific?
He is going to go after Ainge about how he cannot get big names to play in Boston. How he only cares about picks and how he has no plan. They went over this last night on ESPN. Riley hates Ainge and will do anything to make him look bad...see the Ray Allen deal
Al Horford says hi. Several big name teams wanted him last year and including Miami but who got him? The Heat didn't even make the playoffs last year. If that's where GH wants to go, have at it.
Breaking: Free Agent is most interested in team he just spent a day being convinced by
Of course he's most interested in Miami right now. After the meeting with us, he'll be most interested in us. Then after meeting with Utah, he'll be most interested in Utah. After that, he'll step away and analyze them all without the emotional high if being with the team that day. He may very well end up going to Miami, but being "favorites" right now shouldn't be a surprise
BTW, UTA is confident they're keeping him FWIW. I would think they're the favorites as most UFAs stay put.
Not major, max-level FAs who actually take meetings with other teams, though. I read a tweet the other day that the vast majority of max-level free agents who do end up meeting with other teams ultimately end up leaving.
BTW, UTA is confident they're keeping him FWIW. I would think they're the favorites as most UFAs stay put.
Not major, max-level FAs who actually take meetings with other teams, though. I read a tweet the other day that the vast majority of max-level free agents who do end up meeting with other teams ultimately end up leaving.
You're too positive man. I don't understand how you can be so optimistic after the past few years. It's pretty clear we're going to build through the draft. I don't think Hayward signs here.
I won't be at ease until tomorrow when he visits Boston :P
I wonder what's happening right now at Miami... :o
I won't be at ease until tomorrow when he visits Boston :P
I wonder what's happening right now at Miami... :o
Beach Parties and shiz XD
UH OH...
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Three league sources: Pat Riley, Jon Spoelstra, Micky Arison
UH OH...
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UH OH...
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Three league sources: Pat Riley, Jon Spoelstra, Micky Arison
I won't be at ease until tomorrow when he visits Boston :P
I wonder what's happening right now at Miami... :o
Beach Parties and shiz XD
Meanwhile, Celtics fans like me are like...
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UH OH...
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Lifestyle: It's 90 degrees with 64% humidity in Miami today.
Coaches: I'm not saying that Spoelstra isn't talented, but c'mon, Brad was his college coach and prepared him for the NBA.
Feature Scoring Role: No idea where that is coming from. If there's one thing that we are bringing him in to do, it's to score.
C'mon, Gordon, you're in Hufflepuff now and being offered the chance to go to Gryffindor. Pat Riley is just Slytherin's snake.
Mike
UH OH...
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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Lifestyle: It's 90 degrees with 64% humidity in Miami today.
Coaches: I'm not saying that Spoelstra isn't talented, but c'mon, Brad was his college coach and prepared him for the NBA.
Feature Scoring Role: No idea where that is coming from. If there's one thing that we are bringing him in to do, it's to score.
C'mon, Gordon, you're in Hufflepuff now and being offered the chance to go to Gryffindor. Pat Riley is just Slytherin's snake.
Mike
Don't allow yourself to be beguiled by Cersei or the Lannister Gold. You can come to Boston and be King of the North!!
Lol...brain fart. Had my friend on my mind.UH OH...
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/881174360043794432QuoteKevin O'ConnorVerified account
@KevinOConnorNBA
Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."
Three league sources: Pat Riley, Jon Spoelstra, Micky Arison
Is that Erik's brother?
I won't be at ease until tomorrow when he visits Boston :P
I wonder what's happening right now at Miami... :o
Beach Parties and shiz XD
Meanwhile, Celtics fans like me are like...
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/raining_david_tennant.gif)
Our time will come, we are CELTICS!
Just to be clear, there's nothing at all surprising or interesting about the story following the Miami meeting being that "Miami Now Favorites."
Boston is the only team that already has a playmaking high scoring all star. Hayward is a smart dude. He knows that he is not an alpha dog. IT is. He gets to play next to an alpha dog, a guy who will create a lot of bunny jumpers for him, and also gets a max contract. Oh and he gets to play with a coach who was the first person on earth who convinced him he was going to be an NBA player.
If Hayward is strictly making a basketball decision, it will be Boston, and it's not even a close call.
So it's looking more and more like whiffs on Butler, Cousins, PG, Hayward. There's no way around this if we come up empty it's a major fail by Danny.
So it's looking more and more like whiffs on Butler, Cousins, PG, Hayward. There's no way around this if we come up empty it's a major fail by Danny.
Celtics would have to get rid of Terry Rozier to sign Hayward right?
What's he worth in a trade?
well Lakers dumped mozgov and Russell to make room for george. Didn't work out too well for them tho lolCeltics would have to get rid of Terry Rozier to sign Hayward right?
What's he worth in a trade?
Don't we need to see if we will be getting him before we dump a player to make it work?
well Lakers dumped mozgov and Russell to make room for george. Didn't work out too well for them tho lolCeltics would have to get rid of Terry Rozier to sign Hayward right?
What's he worth in a trade?
Don't we need to see if we will be getting him before we dump a player to make it work?
Celtics would have to get rid of Terry Rozier to sign Hayward right?
What's he worth in a trade?
According to 24/7 Wall Street they just put out the worst 50 cities to live in the U.S.
#32 Salt Lake City
#17 Miami, Florida
Boston is NOT on the list - only Springfield, Fall River & Lawrence in Massachusetts
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-worst-cities-to-live-in/ss-BBCKRM1?ocid=ientp
According to 24/7 Wall Street they just put out the worst 50 cities to live in the U.S.
#32 Salt Lake City
#17 Miami, Florida
Boston is NOT on the list - only Springfield, Fall River & Lawrence in Massachusetts
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-worst-cities-to-live-in/ss-BBCKRM1?ocid=ientp
According to 24/7 Wall Street they just put out the worst 50 cities to live in the U.S.
#32 Salt Lake City
#17 Miami, Florida
Boston is NOT on the list - only Springfield, Fall River & Lawrence in Massachusetts
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-worst-cities-to-live-in/ss-BBCKRM1?ocid=ientp
Miami is probably a terrible place to live for most people, but an awesome place to live for the very wealthy.
According to 24/7 Wall Street they just put out the worst 50 cities to live in the U.S.
#32 Salt Lake City
#17 Miami, Florida
Boston is NOT on the list - only Springfield, Fall River & Lawrence in Massachusetts
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-worst-cities-to-live-in/ss-BBCKRM1?ocid=ientp
Miami is probably a terrible place to live for most people, but an awesome place to live for the very wealthy.
And again that's Miami Beach not Miami. It's like saying Key Biscayne or Miami. The latter being an exclusive area, with limited crime.
http://www.areavibes.com/key+biscayne-fl/livability/
Or if he does want to live in the "17th worst city" that is South Beach, he could live on Star Island.
http://www.cemluxury.com/2015/08/23/who-lives-on-miami-beach-s-famous-star-island/
According to 24/7 Wall Street they just put out the worst 50 cities to live in the U.S.
#32 Salt Lake City
#17 Miami, Florida
Boston is NOT on the list - only Springfield, Fall River & Lawrence in Massachusetts
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-worst-cities-to-live-in/ss-BBCKRM1?ocid=ientp
Miami is probably a terrible place to live for most people, but an awesome place to live for the very wealthy.
And again that's Miami Beach not Miami. It's like saying Key Biscayne or Miami. The latter being an exclusive area, with limited crime.
http://www.areavibes.com/key+biscayne-fl/livability/
Or if he does want to live in the "17th worst city" that is South Beach, he could live on Star Island.
http://www.cemluxury.com/2015/08/23/who-lives-on-miami-beach-s-famous-star-island/
Hey Eddie - you working for the Miami Heat?
The Heat brought in FIVE Players to the meeting, as well as Spo and the Owners :o
Waiters didn't show though, but Johnson (a FA) did.
Celtics meanwhile only bringing IT, Horford, and then Wyc, Ainge, Stevens, and owners.
Hopefully that's fine, and Brad Stevens comes up clutch in the meeting ;D
Still would have liked to see "a little more firepower", like AB/Smart in the meeting, maybe Jaylen too?.
Man...Boston is going to have to knock it out of the park tomorrow...but I would have other options on speed dial
Ingles is staying with Utah on a 4 year/52M deal.
Celtics would have to get rid of Terry Rozier to sign Hayward right?
What's he worth in a trade?
Don't we need to see if we will be getting him before we dump a player to make it work?
Ingles is staying with Utah on a 4 year/52M deal.
That really stings. From what I have heard the wives are like best friends. Happy wife, happy life. And with the most money. :'( :'(
Celtics would have to get rid of Terry Rozier to sign Hayward right?
What's he worth in a trade?
Don't we need to see if we will be getting him before we dump a player to make it work?
Never said we didn't. Just wondering if I have the numbers right, and wondering what others think his worth is regardless (as moving him clears room for all our other perimeter players).
Ingles is staying with Utah on a 4 year/52M deal.
Ingles is staying with Utah on a 4 year/52M deal.
That is apparently what 7.1 ppg will get you these days ...
It's funny how now it seems like most Celtics fans all around (media sites, etc) now think Hayward to Boston is officially dead.
Just wait for the few tweets tomorrow talking about how he's enjoying Boston and then it will all change LOL.
Or at least I hope.
It's funny how now it seems like most Celtics fans all around (media sites, etc) now think Hayward to Boston is officially dead.
Just wait for the few tweets tomorrow talking about how he's enjoying Boston and then it will all change LOL.
Or at least I hope.
Not too corteous as he's caused us to miss out on the first week of FA. I think we've got a better shot than Miami and if he was really married to Utah he wouldn't be taking these meetings at all.It's funny how now it seems like most Celtics fans all around (media sites, etc) now think Hayward to Boston is officially dead.
Just wait for the few tweets tomorrow talking about how he's enjoying Boston and then it will all change LOL.
Or at least I hope.
I think Utah is the favorite. It all just feels like meeting with Boston is more of a courtesy to Brad because of their past.
Not sure why people think Ingles signing with Utah is a big deal. I know if my best friend at work got a raise but then I had to decide whether a great new opportunity with huge money at a new job was offered, I wouldn't be taking into consideration my friend or wanting to work with him. Sure my old job might offer me a raise to stay but ultimately, my decision would come down to what my wife and I thought was best for us and our children. I would be happy for my friend that he got a raise and hope he would be happy for me that I decided a new opportunity was best for me and my family.
Really think posters are putting too much emphasis on Hayward's relationships with Ingles and Hill. Hayward should be thinking what's best for him and his family, not that he wants to continue to work with his buddies.
Just saw this...
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnHabershaw/status/881350037040762880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.rawgit.com%2Fs9e%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fmaster%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23881350037040762880
Brad is already with Hayward. ;D
Just saw this...Don't let him leave town without his signature on a contact ;D
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnHabershaw/status/881350037040762880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.rawgit.com%2Fs9e%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fmaster%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23881350037040762880
Brad is already with Hayward. ;D
This is a huge test for Stevens and Ainge. If they can't attract Hayward to the Celtics, I imagine it would make future free agents view Boston as a lesser destination.
Gonna eat 20 vals.. Try get some sleepMake sure to chase them down with alcohol, just to be sure. ;)
Just saw this...Don't let him leave town without his signature on a contact ;D
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnHabershaw/status/881350037040762880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.rawgit.com%2Fs9e%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fmaster%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23881350037040762880
Brad is already with Hayward. ;D
Not too corteous as he's caused us to miss out on the first week of FA. I think we've got a better shot than Miami and if he was really married to Utah he wouldn't be taking these meetings at all.It's funny how now it seems like most Celtics fans all around (media sites, etc) now think Hayward to Boston is officially dead.
Just wait for the few tweets tomorrow talking about how he's enjoying Boston and then it will all change LOL.
Or at least I hope.
I think Utah is the favorite. It all just feels like meeting with Boston is more of a courtesy to Brad because of their past.
No it wouldn't. People make their decisions based on the needs and wants of their families and themselves. If a co-worker decided to leave your company while you simultaneously were offered a huge new opportunity elsewhere at huge money or to stay at your company for matching huge money, you're telling me what's best for you and your family would be influenced by your friends decision to leave the company or stay at that company? Sorry Salty, I am not buying that.Not sure why people think Ingles signing with Utah is a big deal. I know if my best friend at work got a raise but then I had to decide whether a great new opportunity with huge money at a new job was offered, I wouldn't be taking into consideration my friend or wanting to work with him. Sure my old job might offer me a raise to stay but ultimately, my decision would come down to what my wife and I thought was best for us and our children. I would be happy for my friend that he got a raise and hope he would be happy for me that I decided a new opportunity was best for me and my family.
Really think posters are putting too much emphasis on Hayward's relationships with Ingles and Hill. Hayward should be thinking what's best for him and his family, not that he wants to continue to work with his buddies.
Right, but if you were debating between leaving your old job, and your best friend said "Hey, I'm leaving also" it might make you less likely to stay.
No it wouldn't. People make their decisions based on the needs and wants of their families and themselves. If a co-worker decided to leave your company while you simultaneously were offered a huge new opportunity elsewhere at huge money or to stay at your company for matching huge money, you're telling me what's best for you and your family would be influenced by your friends decision to leave the company or stay at that company? Sorry Salty, I am not buying that.Not sure why people think Ingles signing with Utah is a big deal. I know if my best friend at work got a raise but then I had to decide whether a great new opportunity with huge money at a new job was offered, I wouldn't be taking into consideration my friend or wanting to work with him. Sure my old job might offer me a raise to stay but ultimately, my decision would come down to what my wife and I thought was best for us and our children. I would be happy for my friend that he got a raise and hope he would be happy for me that I decided a new opportunity was best for me and my family.
Really think posters are putting too much emphasis on Hayward's relationships with Ingles and Hill. Hayward should be thinking what's best for him and his family, not that he wants to continue to work with his buddies.
Right, but if you were debating between leaving your old job, and your best friend said "Hey, I'm leaving also" it might make you less likely to stay.
Been in that situation twice, or at least similar situations. I decided where to work based on what was best for my family and their needs and desires and what was best for my career, not my co-workers decisions.
No it wouldn't. People make their decisions based on the needs and wants of their families and themselves. If a co-worker decided to leave your company while you simultaneously were offered a huge new opportunity elsewhere at huge money or to stay at your company for matching huge money, you're telling me what's best for you and your family would be influenced by your friends decision to leave the company or stay at that company? Sorry Salty, I am not buying that.Not sure why people think Ingles signing with Utah is a big deal. I know if my best friend at work got a raise but then I had to decide whether a great new opportunity with huge money at a new job was offered, I wouldn't be taking into consideration my friend or wanting to work with him. Sure my old job might offer me a raise to stay but ultimately, my decision would come down to what my wife and I thought was best for us and our children. I would be happy for my friend that he got a raise and hope he would be happy for me that I decided a new opportunity was best for me and my family.
Really think posters are putting too much emphasis on Hayward's relationships with Ingles and Hill. Hayward should be thinking what's best for him and his family, not that he wants to continue to work with his buddies.
Right, but if you were debating between leaving your old job, and your best friend said "Hey, I'm leaving also" it might make you less likely to stay.
Been in that situation twice, or at least similar situations. I decided where to work based on what was best for my family and their needs and desires and what was best for my career, not my co-workers decisions.
Another pic:
https://twitter.com/C_stephan11/status/881372229740748800
Another pic:
https://twitter.com/C_stephan11/status/881372229740748800
Woj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/881014302836047872
QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/881014302836047872
Ughh, well if we miss out on him at least we get to see what our young guys can give us in Brown/Tatum don't expect Crowder to play as much as he did last year.
QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/881014302836047872
Ughh, well if we miss out on him at least we get to see what our young guys can give us in Brown/Tatum don't expect Crowder to play as much as he did last year.
"He worked with his team trainers this year"? Groundbreaking ****, Woj. He had Horford staying in ATL last year too, right up until he signed with Boston. He may be the most reliable source, but ultimately these guys are all real-time puppets.
And this most definitely needs to be part of the Celtics presentation to Hayward!
https://www.livescience.com/59651-rat-lungworm-florida.html?utm_source=notification
Brain-Infecting 'Rat Lungworm' Spreads in Florida. Stay away!
QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/881014302836047872
Ughh, well if we miss out on him at least we get to see what our young guys can give us in Brown/Tatum don't expect Crowder to play as much as he did last year.
"He worked with his team trainers this year"? Groundbreaking ****, Woj. He had Horford staying in ATL last year too, right up until he signed with Boston. He may be the most reliable source, but ultimately these guys are all real-time puppets.
To counter the Jazz, do you think Hayward has so little respect for Stevens that he would be going through all this as just a formality? Would he really let Stevens get his hopes up if he wasn't seriously considering it?
I mentioned this before but you can guess Hayward's thinking from who he is meeting with. If he was unhappy in Utah, why even bother with them? But that he's bypassing everyone else in the West and only meeting with the two playoff or near-playoff teams in the East who could actually give him the max means he's looking at this from a "money+chance to win" perspective.
Mike
its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
I have not heard reports of anybody else interested. We're other teams interested and he turned down meetings?QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/881014302836047872
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Ughh, well if we miss out on him at least we get to see what our young guys can give us in Brown/Tatum don't expect Crowder to play as much as he did last year.
"He worked with his team trainers this year"? Groundbreaking ****, Woj. He had Horford staying in ATL last year too, right up until he signed with Boston. He may be the most reliable source, but ultimately these guys are all real-time puppets.
To counter the Jazz, do you think Hayward has so little respect for Stevens that he would be going through all this as just a formality? Would he really let Stevens get his hopes up if he wasn't seriously considering it?
I mentioned this before but you can guess Hayward's thinking from who he is meeting with. If he was unhappy in Utah, why even bother with them? But that he's bypassing everyone else in the West and only meeting with the two playoff or near-playoff teams in the East who could actually give him the max means he's looking at this from a "money+chance to win" perspective.
Mike
People forget that he tried to leave Utah before and they matched his rfa offer sheet. So its not out of the realm that he would leave Utah
People forget that he tried to leave Utah before and they matched his rfa offer sheet. So its not out of the realm that he would leave Utah
Where was he going to go?
People forget that he tried to leave Utah before and they matched his rfa offer sheet. So its not out of the realm that he would leave Utah
Where was he going to go?
I have not heard reports of anybody else interested. We're other teams interested and he turned down meetings?QuoteWoj on ESPN: Gordon Hayward has been engaged with the Jazz this offseason. Woj notes working with Jazz trainers, etc. Jazz are confident.https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/881014302836047872
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Ughh, well if we miss out on him at least we get to see what our young guys can give us in Brown/Tatum don't expect Crowder to play as much as he did last year.
"He worked with his team trainers this year"? Groundbreaking ****, Woj. He had Horford staying in ATL last year too, right up until he signed with Boston. He may be the most reliable source, but ultimately these guys are all real-time puppets.
To counter the Jazz, do you think Hayward has so little respect for Stevens that he would be going through all this as just a formality? Would he really let Stevens get his hopes up if he wasn't seriously considering it?
I mentioned this before but you can guess Hayward's thinking from who he is meeting with. If he was unhappy in Utah, why even bother with them? But that he's bypassing everyone else in the West and only meeting with the two playoff or near-playoff teams in the East who could actually give him the max means he's looking at this from a "money+chance to win" perspective.
Mike
People forget that he tried to leave Utah before and they matched his rfa offer sheet. So its not out of the realm that he would leave Utah
Where was he going to go?
He signed an offer sheet with Charlotte, which Utah matched.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
There's a very good chance he never wins a championship in Boston or Miami, either.
Looks like a beautiful day in Boston
Video played at Fenway was 6 Minutes and talked about "rabid fanbase" and the aura of playing in the city. Also had cameos from many sports athletes including lebron lol
https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/881526884500070400
its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
There's a very good chance he never wins a championship in Boston or Miami, either.
Go wash your mouth out with soap! Right now! Repeat! Strike those foul words forever from thy tongue! Before the curse is in. You'll be the death of our aspirations! :P
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
https://twitter.com/lawrence954/status/881544949682118657
Check out this Miami trash thinking he's funny
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
could not agree more preach. does CB have a pillory we could use??? ;)its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
There's a very good chance he never wins a championship in Boston or Miami, either.
Go wash your mouth out with soap! Right now! Repeat! Strike those foul words forever from thy tongue! Before the curse is in. You'll be the death of our aspirations! :P
I agree but if it's about weather and familiarity with wherever he's already living then it's Utah or MiamiThat, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I agree but if it's about weather and familiarity with wherever he's already living then it's Utah or MiamiThat, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
Wade got James to miami. Riley was a long for the ride
QuoteWade got James to miami. Riley was a long for the ride
100% correct
QuoteWade got James to miami. Riley was a long for the ride
100% correct
Only if you think that all the ground work laid to create max cap space, bring back Haslem, acquire Battier and Miller, etc., was dumb luck.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.
So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder? I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before. Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?
So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder? I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before. Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.
Neither do we. Neither does Utah.
Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.
http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416That's where Hayward's 2nd/off-season home is.
This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?
EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.
http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416the return flight to logan must have been cheaper from san Diego lol
This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?
EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.
So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder? I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before. Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?I think they look in a couple of different directions and see where they can get the most return. It may make more sense long term to move Bradley.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.
Neither do we. Neither does Utah.
Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.
But we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does
QuoteBut we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does
Maybe? Danny hasn't traded a prime asset for an impact player in 10 years, though. He ponied up a late 1st for IT, but has held onto his other draft picks even when upgrades were available.
QuoteBut we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does
Maybe? Danny hasn't traded a prime asset for an impact player in 10 years, though. He ponied up a late 1st for IT, but has held onto his other draft picks even when upgrades were available.
I disagree, he traded Rondo for Crowder and Crowder is definitely an impact player IMO.
You get the sense from the Jazz beat writers that they are super confident Gordon stays well see
Crowder wasn't a known commodity at the time though and the move at the time was seen mainly as a way to dump a disgruntled Rondo, certainly not a power play to grab Crowder.QuoteBut we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does
Maybe? Danny hasn't traded a prime asset for an impact player in 10 years, though. He ponied up a late 1st for IT, but has held onto his other draft picks even when upgrades were available.
I disagree, he traded Rondo for Crowder and Crowder is definitely an impact player IMO.
I'm taking all this silence and no Twitter blow it up/woj bombs as Hayward is not interested in Boston and is stuck between Miami or Utah...
You get the sense from the Jazz beat writers that they are super confident Gordon stays well see
We should know tomorrow if he stays with jazz or not. If he doesn't commit to stay during the meeting my guess is he's gone.
I'm taking all this silence and no Twitter blow it up/woj bombs as Hayward is not interested in Boston and is stuck between Miami or Utah...
I'm taking all this silence and no Twitter blow it up/woj bombs as Hayward is not interested in Boston and is stuck between Miami or Utah...
Naw, they're still meeting. And surprisingly not much was said about the Miami visit yesterday either. You'll hear soon enough about how it went, and I guarantee that it'll be reported that we're the "favorites" after today, whether it's true or not lol
QuoteBut we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does
Maybe? Danny hasn't traded a prime asset for an impact player in 10 years, though. He ponied up a late 1st for IT, but has held onto his other draft picks even when upgrades were available.
I'm taking all this silence and no Twitter blow it up/woj bombs as Hayward is not interested in Boston and is stuck between Miami or Utah...
I'm taking all this silence and no Twitter blow it up/woj bombs as Hayward is not interested in Boston and is stuck between Miami or Utah...
http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416
This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?
EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.
http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416
This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?
EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.
Neither do we. Neither does Utah.
Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.
Can Boston dump Zeller already???
Can Boston dump Zeller already???
I think he's already been dumped....
And there it is..
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The #Celtics have requested waivers on Tyler Zeller.
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The #Celtics have requested waivers on Tyler Zeller.
OMG LOL I thought this was Hayward news.
But... this is important too.
Thanks for the past few years Zeller and you're veteran presence along with Amir. Been just as big a part to the C's growth the past few years IMHO.
That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.
He coud always ask/demand/force a trade
But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?
So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.
It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that
I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron. Danny has "only" won once as an executive.
Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.
He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.
Neither do we. Neither does Utah.
Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.
And losing them.
https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881614017768247296
Hmmm so a decision isn't expected until Tuesday or Wednesday...a day or two after he meets the Jazz. If he were staying wouldn't he ink the deal after their meeting?
This is good news certainly not bad.
And there it is..
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The #Celtics have requested waivers on Tyler Zeller.
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The #Celtics have requested waivers on Tyler Zeller.
poor zeller... he can't be making 8 million while riding the bench anymore
Not sure if this was posted or not but just read this on ESPN
Boston Celtics brass, including Danny Ainge, and Isaiah Thomas accompanied Gordon Hayward and his wife, Robyn, to Fenway Park on Sunday morning. A three-minute video aired on the Jumbotron that included players like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant talking about playing in Boston then culminated with a personalized message from David Ortiz. (Snapshot courtesy of Twitter user @Parziale_Here)
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=1-19790706
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Not sure if this was posted or not but just read this on ESPN
Boston Celtics brass, including Danny Ainge, and Isaiah Thomas accompanied Gordon Hayward and his wife, Robyn, to Fenway Park on Sunday morning. A three-minute video aired on the Jumbotron that included players like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant talking about playing in Boston then culminated with a personalized message from David Ortiz. (Snapshot courtesy of Twitter user @Parziale_Here)
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=1-19790706
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Thanks, Kobe and Lebron!
And a Robin is a type of bird....hmmm
Gordon Hayward meeting with the #Celtics has concluded, according to a source. Not he heads to San Diego to meet with #Jazz on Monday
And a Robin is a type of bird....hmmm
Robyn. Please know the correct spelling of the wives of free agent targets.
To me one thing that is huge is when c's were loosing and crowd chanted celtics for minutes. No other crowd does that in nba!Not sure if this was posted or not but just read this on ESPN
Boston Celtics brass, including Danny Ainge, and Isaiah Thomas accompanied Gordon Hayward and his wife, Robyn, to Fenway Park on Sunday morning. A three-minute video aired on the Jumbotron that included players like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant talking about playing in Boston then culminated with a personalized message from David Ortiz. (Snapshot courtesy of Twitter user @Parziale_Here)
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=1-19790706
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Thanks, Kobe and Lebron!
I hope they told Hayward, "You see this big empty park? This is what it would be like every game if you played down in Miami."
Gordon was at the red sox game.
The red sox destroyed the blue jays 15-1. Good timing by the sox to put on a show
oops lol. Thought game was at Fenway.Gordon was at the red sox game.
The red sox destroyed the blue jays 15-1. Good timing by the sox to put on a show
Gordon was at Fenway Park and the Red Sox won in Toronto.
oops lol. Thought game was at Fenway.Gordon was at the red sox game.
The red sox destroyed the blue jays 15-1. Good timing by the sox to put on a show
Gordon was at Fenway Park and the Red Sox won in Toronto.
No word yet at al about how the meeting went. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign.
No word yet at al about how the meeting went. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign.
True, but isn't that the general MO of the Celtics front office?No word yet at al about how the meeting went. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign.
Yeah, this whole Hayward meeting process has been exceedingly tight-lipped. It's kind of strange.
Didn't play much last year, but appreciated him being our starting center a couple years back on the way to the playoffs. He has his limitations, but can score decent around the hoop and runs the floor well. Should be able to find a backup gig somewhere.And I will never forget his last second game winner against the evil and dispicable Utah jazz and that a hole Gordon Hay.... hey! Wait a minute!! :o
True, but isn't that the general MO of the Celtics front office?No word yet at al about how the meeting went. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign.
Yeah, this whole Hayward meeting process has been exceedingly tight-lipped. It's kind of strange.
When does haywards meeting with Utah end? Has he given an indication on when he will announce his choice?
I can't say I have a good feeling about Hayward signing with Boston, but I have very little to base that opinion on. I just hope they get him.
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Sources tell me Gordon Hayward will base his decision on which fanbase has put the fewest ☘️ 🔥 or 🎷 emojis on Robyn's Instagram posts.
Boy do I wish I was 6'8" and really good at basketball...So do I so you would sign with the Celtics. Have you considered complaining to your parents about the crappy DNA they gave you? ;D
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No word yet at al about how the meeting went. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign.Tight lipped is not surprising. Usually it's the agent leaking out that a meeting went 'great' when he's trying to create a better market for his client.
if IT can do it, we all canBoy do I wish I was 6'8" and really good at basketball...So do I so you would sign with the Celtics. Have you considered complaining to your parents about the crappy DNA they gave you? ;D
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I can't say I have a good feeling about Hayward signing with Boston, but I have very little to base that opinion on. I just hope they get him.
me too.....not getting George kinda killed my hopes .
im hopeful it works out for C's ........just have a bad feeling it won't.
I really think we shouldn't talk about this for 24 hours. Like how you don't talk to a pitcher during a no hitter. Don't do it. Nothing good can happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.So no Crowder I take it? Lol
I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.
Some pro soccer player rooted for Hayward to Celtics, and Gobert got b***hurt http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/07/nba-free-agency-gordon-hayward-celtics-rudy-gobert-antoine-griezmannGriezmann is so good. And a huge Cs fan. I think he visited Boston during the playoffs.
I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.
Just heard he's telling his camp his wife and family love Miami.
Source?I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.
Just heard he's telling his camp his wife and family love Miami.
Source?I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.
Just heard he's telling his camp his wife and family love Miami.
I told yall if he goes to Miami its because of his wifey
I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.
Just heard he's telling his camp his wife and family love Miami.
I really think we shouldn't talk about this for 24 hours. Like how you don't talk to a pitcher during a no hitter. Don't do it. Nothing good can happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
I read somewhere earlier that the meeting with Gordon was going to be a small grp of people from the Celtics side, so i highly any info about the meeting will be leaked.
Just heard he's telling his camp his wife and family love Miami.
Let's see...Team with the best current roster and in position to contend? Advantage Boston. Team with the most promising future assets? Advantage Boston. Team that has a coach who has established rapport with Hayward and is considered to be one of the greatest basketball minds in the game today? Advantage Boston.
Professional basketball players get to retire in their mid to late thirties and can live wherever they want and enjoy life however they want at that point. Not to mention that players can spend summers wherever they want. If Hayward's priority is contending and sustained success, the choice is clear: Boston.
Miami has always been the biggest challenger
I've pretty much considered Hayward a Celtic since the day our season ended. At this point Im just curious what we do with Jae.
Gary Washburn
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NBA source on #Celtics-Hayward meeting: "Felt like the communication was excellent and the case was made for Gordon being a great fit.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/881680050902507521QuoteGary Washburn
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NBA source on #Celtics-Hayward meeting: "Felt like the communication was excellent and the case was made for Gordon being a great fit.”
That's good!
And Hayward's wife posted a pic of her and Hayward having a good time, just a few hours ago, and I'm assuming it's right after the Boston meeting. She never did after Miami meeting.
That can't be a coincidence. Right? RIGHT?!?!
I'm sure that he was legit interested in Miami, particularly because of his Wife. I just don't see him choosing it considering the current state of affairs of that franchise. Nothing to offer there. But who knows. If they had a better team, then maybe, but I just don't see it even at his wife's insistence.
Basketball careers are relatively short, it's not a life long decision. They can go to live in Miami later.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/881680050902507521QuoteGary Washburn
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NBA source on #Celtics-Hayward meeting: "Felt like the communication was excellent and the case was made for Gordon being a great fit.”
That's good!
And Hayward's wife posted a pic of her and Hayward having a good time, just a few hours ago, and I'm assuming it's right after the Boston meeting. She never did after Miami meeting.
That can't be a coincidence. Right? RIGHT?!?!
It could also mean she's happy to be heading home to San Diego. On a side note, how much do they really like Utah if they live in San Diego? San Diego is like the west coast Boston imo.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/881680050902507521QuoteGary Washburn
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NBA source on #Celtics-Hayward meeting: "Felt like the communication was excellent and the case was made for Gordon being a great fit.”
That's good!
And Hayward's wife posted a pic of her and Hayward having a good time, just a few hours ago, and I'm assuming it's right after the Boston meeting. She never did after Miami meeting.
That can't be a coincidence. Right? RIGHT?!?!
It could also mean she's happy to be heading home to San Diego. On a side note, how much do they really like Utah if they live in San Diego? San Diego is like the west coast Boston imo.
Let's see...Team with the best current roster and in position to contend? Advantage Boston. Team with the most promising future assets? Advantage Boston. Team that has a coach who has established rapport with Hayward and is considered to be one of the greatest basketball minds in the game today? Advantage Boston.
Professional basketball players get to retire in their mid to late thirties and can live wherever they want and enjoy life however they want at that point. Not to mention that players can spend summers wherever they want. If Hayward's priority is contending and sustained success, the choice is clear: Boston.
Or they just want the most money and stay near current friends and family. Griffin, Lowry, and Hayward come to mind here.
Only guys to do the tour then resign were Melo and Deandre Jordan. 2 guys who really wanted their egos stroked. Hayward doesn't strike me as that type but I've got no idea what I'm talking about.Let's see...Team with the best current roster and in position to contend? Advantage Boston. Team with the most promising future assets? Advantage Boston. Team that has a coach who has established rapport with Hayward and is considered to be one of the greatest basketball minds in the game today? Advantage Boston.
Professional basketball players get to retire in their mid to late thirties and can live wherever they want and enjoy life however they want at that point. Not to mention that players can spend summers wherever they want. If Hayward's priority is contending and sustained success, the choice is clear: Boston.
Or they just want the most money and stay near current friends and family. Griffin, Lowry, and Hayward come to mind here.
Yet neither Griffin (he cancelled) nor Lowry had meetings with other teams, so Hayward is obviously quite a bit more serious about leaving than the other two.
Only guys to do the tour then resign were Melo and Deandre Jordan. 2 guys who really wanted their egos stroked. Hayward doesn't strike me as that type but I've got no idea what I'm talking about.Let's see...Team with the best current roster and in position to contend? Advantage Boston. Team with the most promising future assets? Advantage Boston. Team that has a coach who has established rapport with Hayward and is considered to be one of the greatest basketball minds in the game today? Advantage Boston.
Professional basketball players get to retire in their mid to late thirties and can live wherever they want and enjoy life however they want at that point. Not to mention that players can spend summers wherever they want. If Hayward's priority is contending and sustained success, the choice is clear: Boston.
Or they just want the most money and stay near current friends and family. Griffin, Lowry, and Hayward come to mind here.
Yet neither Griffin (he cancelled) nor Lowry had meetings with other teams, so Hayward is obviously quite a bit more serious about leaving than the other two.
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.
Sun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
Can they sign both hayward and waiters?
QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
I dunno. Riley is a snake. Wouldn't be surprised by anything.QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
That tweet is from earlier this afternoon
QuoteSun Sentinel confirms with party close to situation that Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra headed west to deal with Dion Waiters free agency.
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/881554289994477572
I'm tired, sun burnt, buzz is wearing off. Most importantly, I'm trying to figure out if this is good that they flew all the way to Cali for Waiters or of this is some sneaky plan to meet Hayward in Cali.
Please end this torture. Can't analyze emojis, tweets, and Instagram pics anymore!
Can they sign both hayward and waiters?
Miami would have to renounce their rights to Waiters to open up salary cap space for Gordon.
Mike
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.Where's your source that his camp likes Miami?
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.Where's your source that his camp likes Miami?
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.Where's your source that his camp likes Miami?
It's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.Where's your source that his camp likes Miami?
Wife and family on Instagram and Twitter earlier today.
As far as Waiters, no source, but this happened last year with a couple of players where they went to a state and said it was for one thing and it was just a smokescreen. I'm expecting the same thing here. Riley's not gonna tip his hand so easily.
I think if Hayward does not pick Boston...they sign Gallo...if he waits for them
Nothing leaking out other than the usual 'meeting went well' which has come out of Miami and now here. (don't they always 'go well'?).that's what I thought but I got curious and researched the topic and found that the fakers meeting 2 years ago with lamarcus alridge went terrible lol
Gallo might be gone soon to the clippersAnd the Clippers still won't make it to Rd 2 of the playoffs - if they even make the playoffs.
Gallo might be gone soon to the clippersAnd the Clippers still won't make it to Rd 2 of the playoffs - if they even make the playoffs.
Nothing leaking out other than the usual 'meeting went well' which has come out of Miami and now here. (don't they always 'go well'?).that's what I thought but I got curious and researched the topic and found that the fakers meeting 2 years ago with lamarcus alridge went terrible lol
https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/616344498944151553
He didnt like the basketball portion haha
Nothing leaking out other than the usual 'meeting went well' which has come out of Miami and now here. (don't they always 'go well'?).that's what I thought but I got curious and researched the topic and found that the fakers meeting 2 years ago with lamarcus alridge went terrible lol
https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/616344498944151553
He didnt like the basketball portion haha
Oh yeah, the infamous Aldridge meeting, where the Lakers were like "It's great to be a star in LA. Let's show you the sights and celebrities." LMA is like, "Um, basketball?" And the Lakers said "Ah, yeah, that thing on the court. Here are all the big names sitting courtside."
(Not an actual transcription -- just how I imagined it in my head."
I think if Hayward does not pick Boston...they sign Gallo...if he waits for them(https://media.tenor.com/images/8ca2fc174f05ed0d0b40648fe31e9f39/tenor.gif)
Lol there is no such thing of them saying the like Miami stop lyingIt's laughable that people seem to think that because Brad Stevens is the coach and it's the Boston franchise that that's enough to convince a guy to come. If he wasn't interested in any other city than Boston, Miami wouldn't be in the mix. Miami has just a good a chance at being as good as us next year plus Hayward won't have to worry about getting shots when IT plays hero ball. I think those factors along with his family interest point to Miami. She's been posting pics of Her kids loving the beach and she's part of Guatemala charity chapter that she's said she wants to be more involved in. I think the reports are legit.Where's your source that his camp likes Miami?
Wife and family on Instagram and Twitter earlier today.
As far as Waiters, no source, but this happened last year with a couple of players where they went to a state and said it was for one thing and it was just a smokescreen. I'm expecting the same thing here. Riley's not gonna tip his hand so easily.
Wow, so Milsap to Denver and the West/East disparity gets even worse.
Like, at this point, I think there'd be something wrong with Hayward to stay in Utah. Look at this competition:
Teams that are clearly ahead of Utah: GS, SA, Houston, and OKC.
Teams that are arguably ahead or right at Utah's level: Portland, LAC, Denver, Minnesota, NO, Memphis, and Dallas (Dallas might be questionable)
There are 12 legitimate teams that will all be fighting hard for the playoffs. Personally, I put Utah no better than 5th in the conference behind GS, SA, Houston, and OKC. However, I could easily see Portland, Denver, Minnesota, Memphis, or New Orleans be better than the Jazz team next year if they all gel right together.
That's insane. Hayward would be insane to stay in that ridiculously competitive Western Conference.
yea that's why Durant went to the 73-9 warriors. For the challenge of winning games.Wow, so Milsap to Denver and the West/East disparity gets even worse.
Like, at this point, I think there'd be something wrong with Hayward to stay in Utah. Look at this competition:
Teams that are clearly ahead of Utah: GS, SA, Houston, and OKC.
Teams that are arguably ahead or right at Utah's level: Portland, LAC, Denver, Minnesota, NO, Memphis, and Dallas (Dallas might be questionable)
There are 12 legitimate teams that will all be fighting hard for the playoffs. Personally, I put Utah no better than 5th in the conference behind GS, SA, Houston, and OKC. However, I could easily see Portland, Denver, Minnesota, Memphis, or New Orleans be better than the Jazz team next year if they all gel right together.
That's insane. Hayward would be insane to stay in that ridiculously competitive Western Conference.
See i get why fans think this way, but I'm not sure players do. They are for the most part ultra competitive, they believe that if they play their best they can beat anyone. That's a big part of how they get this far.
Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
and then they told him he's contractually obligated to pass the ball to Kobe every time. LolNothing leaking out other than the usual 'meeting went well' which has come out of Miami and now here. (don't they always 'go well'?).that's what I thought but I got curious and researched the topic and found that the fakers meeting 2 years ago with lamarcus alridge went terrible lol
https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/616344498944151553
He didnt like the basketball portion haha
Oh yeah, the infamous Aldridge meeting, where the Lakers were like "It's great to be a star in LA. Let's show you the sights and celebrities." LMA is like, "Um, basketball?" And the Lakers said "Ah, yeah, that thing on the court. Here are all the big names sitting courtside."
(Not an actual transcription -- just how I imagined it in my head."
Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.While I agree in principle, I am not sure how either Miami or Utah could trump Boston on this point.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.While I agree in principle, I am not sure how either Miami or Utah could trump Boston on this point.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
Can someone remind me how it went down with Al last year. Were we the last meeting and he decided shortly after? Or did he meet with others after?Horford agreed rather quickly in order to convince KD to come to Boston.
Trying to wrap my mind around the idea that Hayward would meet with the jazz and then turn around and pick the Celts.
Can someone remind me how it went down with Al last year. Were we the last meeting and he decided shortly after? Or did he meet with others after?
Trying to wrap my mind around the idea that Hayward would meet with the jazz and then turn around and pick the Celts.
Not happening, but trading everything of value we have for AD makes no sense. We've already seen that AD alone can't even get a team to the playoffs.Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
We may not be far off from AD being available if things sour in New Orleans. If Boogie leaves next summer, that franchise is in shambles. As long as Boogie's departure spells the end for Dell Demps, it'll be safe to assume that AD will be on the table for the right offer. Does Jaylen, Jayson, 2018 BKN, 2018/19 LAL/SAC, and 2019 Memphis get it done? I think there's a real chance. Does a lot need to go right for this to happen? Sure, but it's certainly possible.
Decision could come as soon as Monday night, per Steve Bulpett.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/bulpett_celtics_hope_gordon_hayward_takes_their_best_pitch
Just thinking: if Hayward calls tomorrow or Tuesday, how quickly does Danny move out salary to accommodate him?
Is there already a facilitating trade in place?
Would happily overpay for one of Denver's bigs btw..
Decision could come as soon as Monday night, per Steve Bulpett.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/bulpett_celtics_hope_gordon_hayward_takes_their_best_pitch
Herald's article makes me feel even more that it will be Miami
Honestly, I hope the pitch to Hayward involved some kind of offer of proof on Ainge's part to explain how they're gonna add another piece.
Seems to me that's what these stars want to hear. If you can't offer the most $$, you need to explain how you can offer them a fantastic winning situation like what Golden State offered Durant.
If Hayward joins the Celts as constructed, they will be the clear cut #2 team in the East with a chance to actually challenge Cleveland in the playoffs. That's nice, but it's not so much better than what he has in Utah.
Can Ainge grab another star after adding Hayward? Who is left at this point?
We may not be far off from AD being available if things sour in New Orleans. If Boogie leaves next summer, that franchise is in shambles. As long as Boogie's departure spells the end for Dell Demps, it'll be safe to assume that AD will be on the table for the right offer. Does Jaylen, Jayson, 2018 BKN, 2018/19 LAL/SAC, and 2019 Memphis get it done? I think there's a real chance. Does a lot need to go right for this to happen? Sure, but it's certainly possible.
Yeah, they could make the playoffs, but "extremely strong" is overstating it a bit. Blake is arguably a "superstar" but with his injury history they could easily be a lottery team too, given the strength of the West now.Gallo might be gone soon to the clippersAnd the Clippers still won't make it to Rd 2 of the playoffs - if they even make the playoffs.
Beverly-Rivers-Gallo-Blake-DJ is an extremely strong starting five. The West is a bloodbath, but the Clippers have the talent necessary to make the playoffs.
Herald's article makes me feel even more that it will be Miami
Herald's article makes me feel even more that it will be Miami
Please explain. Because the article didn't offer any evidence as to that or provide any information (see fondness for Spo) that we didn't.
Herald's article makes me feel even more that it will be Miami
Please explain. Because the article didn't offer any evidence as to that or provide any information (see fondness for Spo) that we didn't.
The line about him being enamored with Spo. It just doesn't give me a good vibe
Into his late teens, Gordon Hayward, a local Indiana kid, was skinny and short. His only discernible NBA talent was “outstanding lateral movement,” according to one of Stevens’ assistants, Terry Johnson. That changed quickly.
“When Gordon committed, it was like, 'Great, we got a good player,'” says Johnson. “Then he came in for a workout and we were like, 'We got more than we probably thought.'”
Hayward, who had grown to 6'8", started as a freshman and averaged better than 13 points per game. As a sophomore, he was a revelation. On his way to becoming Horizon League Player of the Year, Hayward took Butler on an unlikely run to the national championship game, where it faced Duke. Trailing by two points in the final seconds, Hayward hoisted from half-court what would become one of the most famous misses in the history of basketball.
Hayward is an unrestricted free agent this summer. Utah can and will offer him a larger contract than any other team—potentially $180 million over five years, compared to $133 million over four years from other teams, per Ryan McDonald of the Deseret News—but Boston will make a strong push to sign him. The Celtics have what no other team does: Stevens. And not just Stevens in a buddy-buddy sense, but, far more importantly, Stevens as the controller of an environment that Hayward reveres.
While at Butler, Stevens “took the culture to another level,” according to Barry Collier, who coached the Bulldogs through the ’90s and later returned as athletic director. “It was a culture that fit a person like Gordon, who has high goals and isn’t afraid to work and make himself into a really good player.”
As a high school student, Hayward was an elite tennis prospect. But as a basketball recruit, he fell outside the top 150 in the national rankings.
Still, Butler showed early interest. “We really started watching him toward the end of his sophomore year,” says Matthew Graves, a former assistant of Stevens’ who is now the head coach at South Alabama. “You saw a skinny, gangly kid who was 6'3". I vividly remember the first time I saw him, it was in a county tournament. He stole the ball and went coast to coast and dunked with his left hand. That was unique for a righty.”
More impressive were the intangibles that Hayward possessed—the things that fit into the Butler culture. “Brad was drawn to him,” Graves says. “He saw the potential that Gordon had, but the traits that really attracted Brad were his competitiveness and that he was a cerebral thinker. Gordon was quiet initially, but he was very easy to talk to, and he had interests outside of basketball.” (He wanted to become an engineer if athletics didn’t work out.)
Hayward was pursued by a small handful of schools, including nearby Purdue and IUPUI. In the end, though, he committed to the man who most believed in him.
“He made a wise choice,” Hayward’s father told Thayer Evans of the New York Times in 2010. “Gordon really fit perfect into their style of play, the Butler way.”
Hayward and Stevens made for an easy match. “Gordon’s a really intelligent player who understands the game well,” says Matt Howard, the former bruising four-year Bulldog. “Put that with his willingness to do whatever is asked of him, and it’s exactly what Brad wants.”
Moreover, Stevens and Hayward share the same calm demeanor. Stevens, according to Zach Hahn, who played four seasons at Butler, “wouldn’t raise his voice, but he’d say something negative in a calm voice, and you felt like you let him down. It wasn’t a lack of intensity, it was just who he was, and he demanded the best.”
That worked for Hayward, who, according to the coaching staff, didn’t respond well to yelling.
Says Hahn: “Gordon was so unassuming. He was just a down-home Indiana kid who liked playing basketball.”
Before long, Stevens and Hayward developed a deep trust on the floor. Stevens would draw up plays for Hayward as is if he were a point guard. He fed him the ball as often as he could, but only so long as it served the team. Meanwhile, off the court, and even on the sidelines, there was no special treatment, no mentor-protege relationship that might threaten the larger team concept.
“Gordon’s relationship with Brad wasn’t different from any relationship Brad had with his players,” says Ron Nored, a four-year Butler guard who now coaches the Brooklyn Nets' G League team. “Brad coached everyone fairly. That’s Butler in a nutshell. The walk-on, the manager, the head coach, the best player—we’re all a part of something bigger than ourselves. I would say that’s the Butler Way.”
Decision could come as soon as Monday night, per Steve Bulpett.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/bulpett_celtics_hope_gordon_hayward_takes_their_best_pitch
My wish is to just read "Gordon Hayward agrees to 4-year, XXX million dollar max deal with the Boston Celtics" on the headlines tomorrow night.
(http://img02.deviantart.net/a727/i/2011/122/7/8/beating_a_dead_horse_by_potatoehuman-d3fead4.jpg)
Would Hayward's decision be easier if we had a pending acquisition of another elite player, like Paul George?
Herald's article makes me feel even more that it will be Miami
I didn't read it that way. But I dout think we are a lock either. Hopefully, CBS can bring his boy home.
Danny is not going to allow what just happened to Atlanta to happen to Boston. 2 years ago the Hawks won 60 games. Now they have nothing left and no real assets to rebuild.
Danny might miss on FA's but he does have 3 first round picks (2 should be top 5 picks) in a really good draft next year...Doncic, Ayton, Porter, Bridges, Bamba, etc...all should be there to pair with Zizic, Yabu, Tatum and Brown. Would like to see IT resigned to stay with Horford and provide some leadership. Bradley and Crowder should be gone
Just think they should stay the course and build via the draft if they miss on Hayward. Wait out the Cavs and Warriors. Look to dominate the 2020's. I would not waste money on C or D level free agents this year. Go with some of the second round guys.
In 33 years, I've only gotten this tickle in my loins right before a miracle happened.
It's going down today. Gordy and Robyn to Boston. Book it.
Danny is not going to allow what just happened to Atlanta to happen to Boston. 2 years ago the Hawks won 60 games. Now they have nothing left and no real assets to rebuild.
Danny might miss on FA's but he does have 3 first round picks (2 should be top 5 picks) in a really good draft next year...Doncic, Ayton, Porter, Bridges, Bamba, etc...all should be there to pair with Zizic, Yabu, Tatum and Brown. Would like to see IT resigned to stay with Horford and provide some leadership. Bradley and Crowder should be gone
Just think they should stay the course and build via the draft if they miss on Hayward. Wait out the Cavs and Warriors. Look to dominate the 2020's. I would not waste money on C or D level free agents this year. Go with some of the second round guys.
Nuggets going hard after George Hill, and so the Jazz will have replaced Hill with Rubio, and re-signed Ingles.
But according to @salt, could stand to also lose one of Favors/Burks/Johnson/Diaw.
With the West stacking up, not sure if Utah is even doing enough to even stay a 4-5 seed.
My West seeding would be
1. GS
2. Houston
3. SA
4. Minnesota
5. OKC
6. Denver
Utah will be lucky to get in and they would get smoked out the gate by GS or Houston. This is not changing
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Source says Gordon Hayward isn't locked into any timeline on deciding. Wants to get through meeting with Jazz today and then will regroup.
Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop 18m18 minutes ago
Celtics in very good position, but it won't be easy for Hayward to leave Jazz... KD had Westbrook questions. No such issues with GH/Utah.
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Free agent George Hill and reps are meeting with the Lakers today in Los Angeles, discussing a one-year deal, league sources tell ESPN.
https://mobile.twitter.com/freedarko/status/881946548891860992
Tweet saying he's HEARING Hayward is leaning towards Miami. How credible is this guy?
https://mobile.twitter.com/freedarko/status/881946548891860992he writes for GQ and no one ever heard of him Lol.
Tweet saying he's HEARING Hayward is leaning towards Miami. How credible is this guy?
https://mobile.twitter.com/freedarko/status/881946548891860992He tweeted that seemingly in response to a similarly speculative post that Hayward was leaning Boston.
Tweet saying he's HEARING Hayward is leaning towards Miami. How credible is this guy?
https://mobile.twitter.com/freedarko/status/881946548891860992
Tweet saying he's HEARING Hayward is leaning towards Miami. How credible is this guy?
Nathaniel Friedman
@freedarko
That was way too easy. Guys, I've never broken a story in my life. I never even get quotes anymore.
https://mobile.twitter.com/freedarko/status/881946548891860992
Tweet saying he's HEARING Hayward is leaning towards Miami. How credible is this guy?
Yeah, I don't buy it. He's leaning toward Miami because he thinks Miami has a higher ceiling than Boston? That makes zero sense whatsoever.
Nathaniel Friedman @freedarko
That was way too easy. Guys, I've never broken a story in my life. I never even get quotes anymore.
2:54 PM · Jul 3, 2017
Reportedly, Pat Riley is in San Diego right now.Meeting with dion waiters.
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Reportedly, Pat Riley is in San Diego right now.
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Reportedly, Pat Riley is in San Diego right now.
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Reportedly, Pat Riley is in San Diego right now.Meeting with dion waiters.
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Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakers
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
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For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
I'm calling BS, especially from this Lakers lady... ::)
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
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For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
I'm calling BS, especially from this Lakers lady... ::)
She broke the Paul George trade.
Someone in twitter claims to bump into Riley in san Diego too but looks like an imposter lol
https://twitter.com/ritzyeatsass/status/881931509258756097
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@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
I'm calling BS, especially from this Lakers lady... ::)
She broke the Paul George trade.
Yeah, Ramona's legit.
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@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
I'm calling BS, especially from this Lakers lady... ::)
She broke the Paul George trade.
Yeah, Ramona's legit.
Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
LolSomeone in twitter claims to bump into Riley in san Diego too but looks like an imposter lol
https://twitter.com/ritzyeatsass/status/881931509258756097
Apparently Riley shaved between this and the other San Diego pic.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetHe's an idiot wants to play with RubioQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
I'm calling BS, especially from this Lakers lady... ::)
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
I'm calling BS, especially from this Lakers lady... ::)
She broke the Paul George trade.
Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.
But George Hill was his buddy right...
Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
@ramonashelburne
For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
Word from who? Hayward? The Jazz?
Mike
As bad as Lopez was, Brooklyn literally didn't win a single game without him in the last 2 seasons. He was by far their best player. Hill, when healthy was huge for Utah. He's a good defender and a steady handed veteran who knows how to win. Lots more teams are tanking this year than last year. Lopez and Hill is enough to push you to 30 wins. Although the stacked west could obviously work to our advantage as you mention.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
I dunno, lopez was a full partner in the nets blisteringly good season last year. Not sure he counts as a positive or not. Plus the lakers are going to be playing a lot of improved western conf teams a lot of times next year.
I thought waiters was in LA. Why did he go to san Diego? Source that waiters is in SD?More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.
But George Hill was his buddy right...
Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!
Not sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
As bad as Lopez was, Brooklyn literally didn't win a single game without him in the last 2 seasons. He was by far their best player. Hill, when healthy was huge for Utah. He's a good defender and a steady handed veteran who knows how to win. Lots more teams are tanking this year than last year. Lopez and Hill is enough to push you to 30 wins. Although the stacked west could obviously work to our advantage as you mention.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
I dunno, lopez was a full partner in the nets blisteringly good season last year. Not sure he counts as a positive or not. Plus the lakers are going to be playing a lot of improved western conf teams a lot of times next year.
I thought waiters was in LA. Why did he go to san Diego? Source that waiters is in SD?More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.
But George Hill was his buddy right...
Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!
I thought waiters was in LA. Why did he go to san Diego? Source that waiters is in SD?More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.
But George Hill was his buddy right...
Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!
San Diego is a short drive from LA.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteRamona ShelburneVerified account
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For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him
Word from who? Hayward? The Jazz?
Mike
Just post the news that Hayward is resigning in Utah for $$$ and five years of 1st round playoff exits so I can commence with being angry, bitter, disappointed, resigned, and then excited for deck-shuffling moves and the development of Brown and Tatum.
So your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct. Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.
With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.
The issue was a lack of scoring threats.
A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.
So your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct. Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.
With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.
The issue was a lack of scoring threats.
A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.
Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.
As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.
Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.
As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.
Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.
Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.
As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.
Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.
(And because it's Utah and they know what their fans like... let's be honest)
I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.
With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.
The issue was a lack of scoring threats.
A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.
I don't really get the Hayward - Rubio interest. RR isn't a good shooter, he isn't as big of a threat to score as Hill is, so I would think that would be a net loss for Utah.
2 and a half hour drive. Why would waiters randomly go to a worse city than LA?I thought waiters was in LA. Why did he go to san Diego? Source that waiters is in SD?More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.
But George Hill was his buddy right...
Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!
San Diego is a short drive from LA.
Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.
As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.
Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.
(And because it's Utah and they know what their fans like... let's be honest)
Spaniards?
Let's stay away from that type of talk, please.
Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.
As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.
Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.
I hope Tatum does great. I'm just p---ed right now and if Fultz kicks ass hey maybe Danny learns a thing about just giving away number one picksNot sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
Celtics brass needs to take Hayward to the Summer League game tonight.would have been perfect if Hayward flew to Utah not san diego
Show them our future and sign that contract right there LOL
Celtics brass needs to take Hayward to the Summer League game tonight.would have been perfect if Hayward flew to Utah not san diego
Show them our future and sign that contract right there LOL
I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.
With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.
The issue was a lack of scoring threats.
A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.
I don't really get the Hayward - Rubio interest. RR isn't a good shooter, he isn't as big of a threat to score as Hill is, so I would think that would be a net loss for Utah.
Hayward has never really played with a pass-first point guard in his career. It might be something that attracts him from a basketball perspective. He's been as much of a point guard as anyone for much of his career, and he might like a slightly different role.
I'm not saying I know what Hayward's wishes are, but it's not impossible to see how Rubio could be someone that Hayward would like to play alongside.
Ah so it was an emotion driven overreaction. I'm glad our gm doesn't make those.I hope Tatum does great. I'm just p---ed right now and if Fultz kicks ass hey maybe Danny learns a thing about just giving away number one picksNot sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
Celtics brass needs to take Hayward to the Summer League game tonight.
Show them our future and sign that contract right there LOL
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
I hope Tatum does great. I'm just p---ed right now and if Fultz kicks ass hey maybe Danny learns a thing about just giving away number one picksNot sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
Apparently he can't see it. I just called him out on the previous page of this thread:I hope Tatum does great. I'm just p---ed right now and if Fultz kicks ass hey maybe Danny learns a thing about just giving away number one picksNot sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
You'd rather have your opinion validated than see the Celtics do well? Do you seriously not see something wrong with that?
So your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct. Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.
https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881961403719991297
Hayward meeting with jazz still ongoing
If we don't get Hayward, then I'm glad we didn't trade the farm for George for one year
If Utah moves on from Favors and brings in a PF who can shoot the ball, I think Rubio can be a terrific fit on that team. Gobert manning the middle. Hayward and friends bombing from the wings. Rubio running the show from PG. That would be a dynamic and highly entertaining team.
I do not like Rubio as a fit alongside Favors & Gobert though. One of those 3 needs to go.
If we don't get Hayward, then I'm glad we didn't trade the farm for George for one year
https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881961403719991297
Hayward meeting with jazz still ongoing
And unfortunately it's "going well" :(
https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881961403719991297
Hayward meeting with jazz still ongoing
And unfortunately it's "going well" :(
Who is in the meeting texting people updates? I don't buy into any of this, all just entertainment that even folks like Woj are feeding into.
If he wants to win, he'll come to Boston. If he wants to stick with his buddies, make a bit more money, or be a large fish in a murky pond, he won't... but then we wouldn't want him anyway. No sweat off our collective potato bag. :)
Alright so the positive reframing is circulating in my mind. Good that we didn't trade for the PG rental. Good that we have exciting youth to build around. Good that we'll get a quick dose of that youth as early as tonight in Summer League. Good IF Hill and Waiters aren't going to the Lakers (I don't have the latest on that). Good that Sac '19 looks promising if LAL '18 doesn't convey. Good that C's have added Zizic and Tatum (and may be Nader and Semi) to their rotation.
And maybe Danny's got a surprise... an unexpected move up his sleeve.
If we don't get Hayward, then I'm glad we didn't trade the farm for George for one year
Unless getting George would've secured Hayward's decision.
It's schrodinger's cat basically. We'll never know.
I just hope they aren't having a party right now at the "meeting" knowing Hayward is coming back :P :(
I hope Tatum is the second coming of Pierce and I'm wrong just feel like we gave away that number one pick for peanuts and if Fultz kills it hey maybe Danny thinks twice next timeApparently he can't see it. I just called him out on the previous page of this thread:I hope Tatum does great. I'm just p---ed right now and if Fultz kicks ass hey maybe Danny learns a thing about just giving away number one picksNot sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
You'd rather have your opinion validated than see the Celtics do well? Do you seriously not see something wrong with that?QuoteSo your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct. Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
Thinks twice about what?I hope Tatum is the second coming of Pierce and I'm wrong just feel like we gave away that number one pick for peanuts and if Fultz kills it hey maybe Danny thinks twice next timeApparently he can't see it. I just called him out on the previous page of this thread:I hope Tatum does great. I'm just p---ed right now and if Fultz kicks ass hey maybe Danny learns a thing about just giving away number one picksNot sure I understand. You don't hope that Tatum outplays Fultz tonight and that we end up with top 5 pick in 18 or 19?Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakersSigning him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657
I am not sure about that. Hill is a good complimentary player. Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck? not so sure.
plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench? I thought he was already penciled in as a starter? better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.
You'd rather have your opinion validated than see the Celtics do well? Do you seriously not see something wrong with that?QuoteSo your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct. Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.
Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Time to blow it up.
I didn't take you as the type dumb enough to believe this.Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Time to blow it up.
Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Idk if his source is the Easter bunny or santa clause, but it's definitely not completely made up.Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Do you ever post sources?
Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\(http://dreamsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/untitled.png)
I didn't take you as the type dumb enough to believe this.Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Time to blow it up.
Idk if his source is the Easter bunny or santa clause, but it's definitely not completely made up.Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Do you ever post sources?
Lol no worries, I was a bit harsh on you as well. Just getting real tired of this guy completely making up anti Celtics news.I didn't take you as the type dumb enough to believe this.Hearing Celtics are out! Between Utah and Miami now :-\
Time to blow it up.
I'm on a high. Everything is tense. My bad for reacting so quickly.
I don't know why but I was more optimistic on the C's getting KD last year then getting Hayward this year. Not sure why I feel this way. Maybe being let down so many times. I don't blame any of this on the C's. You can't force teams to make deals, you can't force FA's to sign and there is no reason in any way shape or form to trade any of the young guys or high picks for a player. Anthony Davis is the only player worth trading the farm for and does he really put the C's past Golden State? I would rather watch the young guys develop and keep the current team in place adding a Jam Green and a Gallo.I feel differently. Never once felt we were the favorite for KD. Think we are (and so does vegas) for Hayward.
I don't know why but I was more optimistic on the C's getting KD last year then getting Hayward this year. Not sure why I feel this way. Maybe being let down so many times. I don't blame any of this on the C's. You can't force teams to make deals, you can't force FA's to sign and there is no reason in any way shape or form to trade any of the young guys or high picks for a player. Anthony Davis is the only player worth trading the farm for and does he really put the C's past Golden State? I would rather watch the young guys develop and keep the current team in place adding a Jam Green and a Gallo.I feel differently. Never once felt we were the favorite for KD. Think we are (and so does vegas) for Hayward.
Definitely more optimistic this year than with KD last year. If Hayward's main driver (and I'm not saying it is) is going to the better team, then Boston is the choice. Couldn't compete with GW on that basis last year.I don't know why but I was more optimistic on the C's getting KD last year then getting Hayward this year. Not sure why I feel this way. Maybe being let down so many times. I don't blame any of this on the C's. You can't force teams to make deals, you can't force FA's to sign and there is no reason in any way shape or form to trade any of the young guys or high picks for a player. Anthony Davis is the only player worth trading the farm for and does he really put the C's past Golden State? I would rather watch the young guys develop and keep the current team in place adding a Jam Green and a Gallo.I feel differently. Never once felt we were the favorite for KD. Think we are (and so does vegas) for Hayward.
I'm glad someone is optimistic. I will be happy if he signs but for some reason I just don't think he is going to. I would love to be wrong.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881989652181172224?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Meeting still going on...
Looks pretty long. Is that good?
Oh please don't tell me they are throwing a party and playing NBA 2K17 right now... :o
I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881989652181172224?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Meeting still going on...
Looks pretty long. Is that good?
Oh please don't tell me they are throwing a party and playing NBA 2K17 right now... :o
Remember it's only like 2:40 PM out there. Not sure when it started.
I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Word from on high says he is still decidingDon't need any word on high to know that. He is still deciding until...he decides. After the last pitch from Utah, he will make his decision, make some courtesy calls, inform Ainge, and everyone will know right away. No reason for anyone to hold back at that point.
IT would be awesome if we ever got a report saying it was horrible. Like they ordered sushi for lunch and everyone got sick.https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881961403719991297
Hayward meeting with jazz still ongoing
And unfortunately it's "going well" :(
Who is in the meeting texting people updates? I don't buy into any of this, all just entertainment that even folks like Woj are feeding into.
If he wants to win, he'll come to Boston. If he wants to stick with his buddies, make a bit more money, or be a large fish in a murky pond, he won't... but then we wouldn't want him anyway. No sweat off our collective potato bag. :)
Every report at each place was it is going well.
saw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..If that's their best effort, we got this.
saw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..If that's their best effort, we got this.
Word from on high says he is still decidingDon't need any word on high to know that. He is still deciding until...he decides. After the last pitch from Utah, he will make his decision, make some courtesy calls, inform Ainge, and everyone will know right away. No reason for anyone to hold back at that point.
Going be a lot of sick Celtics fans if Hayward chooses the Jazz..all we heard about for over 2 years is summer of 2017 when we have a lot of cap space...and come up with no one will sting big time!!We can do it all again next year
yes and get sick again lol but we got plenty of assests lolGoing be a lot of sick Celtics fans if Hayward chooses the Jazz..all we heard about for over 2 years is summer of 2017 when we have a lot of cap space...and come up with no one will sting big time!!We can do it all again next year
Going be a lot of sick Celtics fans if Hayward chooses the Jazz..all we heard about for over 2 years is summer of 2017 when we have a lot of cap space...and come up with no one will sting big time!!We can do it all again next year
saw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..
Ramona Shelbourne reported thissaw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..
if thats true then I lost respect for Hayward right there .......playing with Rubio is NOT setting your goals very high ......
id be let down ......alot .
It depends on if you extend them or renounce them as well as if we sign anyone for too long this year. It won't be max money but darn close to it.Going be a lot of sick Celtics fans if Hayward chooses the Jazz..all we heard about for over 2 years is summer of 2017 when we have a lot of cap space...and come up with no one will sting big time!!We can do it all again next year
Won't we not have any cap space by next year because of the extensions of Thomas, Bradley and Smart?
saw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..
if thats true then I lost respect for Hayward right there .......playing with Rubio is NOT setting your goals very high ......
id be let down ......alot .
https://mobile.twitter.com/tribjazz/status/881989652181172224?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Meeting still going on...
Looks pretty long. Is that good?
Oh please don't tell me they are throwing a party and playing NBA 2K17 right now... :o
Remember it's only like 2:40 PM out there. Not sure when it started.
Started like 2.5 hours ago I believe.
saw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..
if thats true then I lost respect for Hayward right there .......playing with Rubio is NOT setting your goals very high ......
id be let down ......alot .
First it was George hill he had to play With...Now RubioWanting to play with hill and then Rubio isn't really contradictory. Utah couldn't afford Hill and Ingles and likely offered up Rubio as another route. Unlikely that Hayward prefers Rubio to hill.
Said winning was his number one priority...Not about the money or the fame.
Choosing Utah just goes against everything he has said
yes and get sick again lol but we got plenty of assests lolGoing be a lot of sick Celtics fans if Hayward chooses the Jazz..all we heard about for over 2 years is summer of 2017 when we have a lot of cap space...and come up with no one will sting big time!!We can do it all again next year
saw where Hayward told the Jazz he wanted to play with Ricky Rubio..then jazz traded for him..
if thats true then I lost respect for Hayward right there .......playing with Rubio is NOT setting your goals very high ......
id be let down ......alot .
One take away I get from that is Hayward has expressed some type of disappointment with the Jazz as currently constructed. That's the feeling I get when someone requests to play somebody else. I won't believe a single rumor until he decides though. Woj himself said the C's were out on Horford minutes before he actually committed.
I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Tony Jones: The Hayward meeting is still ongoing, sources tell The Tribune. At the risk of Heat/Celtic redundancy, hearing the meeting is “going well”
The only thing I've learned so far;
Boston seems to be on the only team that is refraining from leaking any information.
There have been reports the 'miami has emerged as the favorite'
There have been reports that 'Hayward has serious concerns about playing with Thomas'
There have been reports that 'Utah remains confident that Hayward will return'
There have been reports that 'Hayward said he "would love" to play with Rubio'
All quiet from the Boston front and I think that's by design, directed by BS
Is that why you've been fabricating negative news here for the last few days?I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
QuoteTony Jones: The Hayward meeting is still ongoing, sources tell The Tribune. At the risk of Heat/Celtic redundancy, hearing the meeting is “going well”
The isn't good for us. I'm going into town to burn down the Garden. Who's with me?
(https://worldofthecore.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/harbor-point-delegation.jpg)
First it was George hill he had to play With...Now Rubio
Said winning was his number one priority...Not about the money or the fame.
Choosing Utah just goes against everything he has said
Is that why you've been fabricating negative news here for the last few days?I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
What would make everything worse would be IT having to have surgery.
You know Bradley is going to miss time with some sort of injury this season.
What would make everything worse would be IT having to have surgery.
You know Bradley is going to miss time with some sort of injury this season.
IT probably already decided to have surgery and doesn't want to announce it until Hayward signs.
I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
What would make everything worse would be IT having to have surgery.
You know Bradley is going to miss time with some sort of injury this season.
IT probably already decided to have surgery and doesn't want to announce it until Hayward signs.
What would make everything worse would be IT having to have surgery.
You know Bradley is going to miss time with some sort of injury this season.
IT probably already decided to have surgery and doesn't want to announce it until Hayward signs.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/882008661094088704?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
According to CBS, he doesn't need it.
But the source is our good friend A. Sherrod, LOL.
Chris Forsberg @ESPNForsberg
4 minutes ago
Brad Stevens on Isaiah Thomas: “Every indication is he feels good and he’ll be ready to go.”
Is that why you've been fabricating negative news here for the last few days?I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
Nah, he's doing that because it allows him to act superior to everyone else around here. It's also why he's rooting for Hayward to sign elsewhere and for Tatum to be a bust
I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
Who pooped in your cheerios?
It's one thing to be realistic, it's an other to take something and turn it into false new just to get a rise out of people you have an issue with.
I mean I'll be bumbed if we don't get him, have a feeling we wont, but I'm not going around being a troll about it.
Yes life will go on, and we have some young guys to be excited about, but Hayward may be the last shot we have at an FA that makes a difference for a while. People have a right to be a little excited and hopeful about it.
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
Who pooped in your cheerios?
It's one thing to be realistic, it's an other to take something and turn it into false new just to get a rise out of people you have an issue with.
I mean I'll be bumbed if we don't get him, have a feeling we wont, but I'm not going around being a troll about it.
Yes life will go on, and we have some young guys to be excited about, but Hayward may be the last shot we have at an FA that makes a difference for a while. People have a right to be a little excited and hopeful about it.
lol I'm not spreading fake news. I'm reporting what I've heard. Just like any other rumor. You guys choose your reactions ::)
Blakley thinks he stays in Utah.
Meeting was 3.5 hours today
Wait begins
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.Bringing in Rubio to convince him? HUH?
From Woj
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
If Hayward leaves Utah, I be surprise..i really think Rubio trade going keep him in Utah
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
Rubio's a huge liability on defense as well.Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
Rubio's a huge liability on defense as well.Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
Waiters going to the KnicksGood, he might have helped the Lakers.
Waiters going to the Knicks
Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
Rubio's a huge liability on defense as well.Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
But he's actually pretty good defensively.
Waiters going to the Knicks
You got tricked. That was a fake account.
Waiters going to the Knicks
You got tricked. That was a fake account.
Apparently so
Jackson legit stinks
Hey Hayward! You can play with Brown andFultzTatum next season! That's tempting for sure 8)
A PG whose team has not been trying to move for 4 years.Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
He's a pretty good defender.Rubio's a huge liability on defense as well.Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
But he's actually pretty good defensively.
He is most definitely not lol.
Hey Hayward! You can play with Brown andFultzTatum next season! That's tempting for sure 8)
^^^ Fixed it ^^^
Well after this SL game, surely Tatum and Jaylen can use more minutes so
a Hayward addition is more imagination to our growing squad ^^
Well after this SL game, surely Tatum and Jaylen can use more minutes so
a Hayward addition is more imagination to our growing squad ^^
Hayward is capable of playing the 4 as well (he played the 4 mostly with the Jazz in the playoffs).
Brown is capable of playing the 2 (same with Hayward).
I'd say we have a lot of versatile guys ;D
Well yeah, Marcus Smart is also capable of playing the 4, and Rondo can guard LeBron...Well after this SL game, surely Tatum and Jaylen can use more minutes so
a Hayward addition is more imagination to our growing squad ^^
Hayward is capable of playing the 4 as well (he played the 4 mostly with the Jazz in the playoffs).
Brown is capable of playing the 2 (same with Hayward).
I'd say we have a lot of versatile guys ;D
ye sorry for my crappy english XD but thats the point i was trying to make XDDD
so, join us Mr Godon :P
Dude. This waiting is KILLING me.
Break our hearts, Gordon. Make us happy. Just DO IT.
Blakley thinks he stays in Utah.
Meeting was 3.5 hours today
Wait begins
Blakley thinks he stays in Utah.
Meeting was 3.5 hours today
Wait begins
Sherrod usually gets everything wrong.
Dude. This waiting is KILLING me.
Break our hearts, Gordon. Make us happy. Just DO IT.
I think we will expect a decision the morning of July 4th.
Hopefully this time it's a different result... :(
Blakley thinks he stays in Utah.
Meeting was 3.5 hours today
Wait begins
Sherrod usually gets everything wrong.
It makes me laugh when he appears on CSNNE or a video and under his name is "Celtics Insider".
Dude spends like 90% of the time just sitting on the CSNNE lounge while everyone else around him in the media breaks news and writes reports :laugh:
Just like the George trade. And a bunch of the signings.
Dude. This waiting is KILLING me.
Break our hearts, Gordon. Make us happy. Just DO IT.
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
You do realize that you talking basketball with your friends on the phone or via Twitter, Facebook or Instagram doesn't count as a rumor. Everything you have said is unsubstantiated anywhere on the internet, twitter or instagram world.I dunno why so many people are pessimistic about this.
Boston makes the most sense for Hayward.
Doesn't mean he signs here, but we have a good shot. Otherwise he wouldn't have bothered meeting us at all. We're in a good place.
Even if he doesn't sign, we have a solid young core anyways. We can build Warriors-style with good drafting and asset management.
It's a win-win.
Because people need to get a grip around here. Your life is more than this blog yet the first negative reaction to your team and people lose their minds and get all defensive. Get a life! We're not entitled to anything because we're the Celtics. If we get him, great, if not well then we move on with a youth movement instead of adding more clogs that slow the progression of our team and it's future.
Who pooped in your cheerios?
It's one thing to be realistic, it's an other to take something and turn it into false new just to get a rise out of people you have an issue with.
I mean I'll be bumbed if we don't get him, have a feeling we wont, but I'm not going around being a troll about it.
Yes life will go on, and we have some young guys to be excited about, but Hayward may be the last shot we have at an FA that makes a difference for a while. People have a right to be a little excited and hopeful about it.
lol I'm not spreading fake news. I'm reporting what I've heard. Just like any other rumor. You guys choose your reactions ::)
He's a pretty good defender.Rubio's a huge liability on defense as well.Source: Jazz meeting w/ Gordon Hayward in San Diego, 3.5 hours, with @rickyrubio9 flying from Spain to pitch partnership. Decision looms.
From Woj
Ugh
Rubio is fine but if that's who Hayward gets jacked up to play with, he deserves Utah.
Who would you rather play with a passing pg or a shoot first defensive liability pg?
But he's actually pretty good defensively.
He is most definitely not lol.
Just cus hes white and not super fast doesn't mean he can't defend. very intelligent on that side of the ball.
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
I was a copy editor for the L.A. News Group when Shelburne was writing for the L.A. Daily News (part of the L.A. News Group), and it's my professional opinion that she was neither a good reporter nor a good writer. The fact that ESPN hired her shows how low their standards are.
Dude. This waiting is KILLING me.
Break our hearts, Gordon. Make us happy. Just DO IT.
I think we will expect a decision the morning of July 4th.
Hopefully this time it's a different result... :(
4th of July? Don't they shoot fireworks on that day??
I feel like it's a pretty good sign that he's leaving that he didn't make a decision by the Jazz meeting or even tonight. It feels like I'm going to wake up tomorrow to a Player's Tribune article or a post on his website about how he's moving East to Boston.I completely agree. I think he wants a change of scenery. Its been a long time without winning, these guys get frustrated and want change. What better than the #1 seed in the east that was 7 wins away from a banner
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
I feel like it's a pretty good sign that he's leaving that he didn't make a decision by the Jazz meeting or even tonight. It feels like I'm going to wake up tomorrow to a Player's Tribune article or a post on his website about how he's moving East to Boston.I completely agree. I think he wants a change of scenery. Its been a long time without winning, these guys get frustrated and want change. What better than the #1 seed in the east that was 7 wins away from a banner
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
There's a chance!!!
I'd take this positively because if the Jazz had convinced him, he'd do it tonight. They're the main competition IMO, but if MIA wins, it isn't about winning.
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
Sam Amick @sam_amickLike tomorrow AM or later on in the day? Should I sleep in? I NEED TO KNOW!!!
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
There's a chance!!!
I'd take this positively because if the Jazz had convinced him, he'd do it tonight. They're the main competition IMO, but if MIA wins, it isn't about winning.
Jody Genessy
@DJJazzyJody
I'm told the Utah Jazz did an excellent job presenting their case during their 3.5-hour meeting with Gordon Hayward. No decision made yet.
SL Tribune Sports
@sltribsports
The @utahjazz await @gordonhayward's decision after nearly four hour pitch to the forward on "making the team whole" http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5471237-155/utah-jazz-await-gordon-haywards-decision …
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
There's a chance!!!
I'd take this positively because if the Jazz had convinced him, he'd do it tonight. They're the main competition IMO, but if MIA wins, it isn't about winning.
Yep. Tons of Jazz fans freaking out on Twitter about this. You have to think he's Boston-bound at this point, otherwise it'd seem pretty standard for him to just make the decision tonight.
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
I feel like that's great news for us. It's got to be down to Utah and Boston at this point, and the fact that he spent all day in Boston and only met for 3 or so hours with Utah seems telling.
In 1-2 years, imagine the length and skill we could surround IT and Horford with? Scary to think about, especially if Jaylen is for real in his new manchild role.
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
I was a copy editor for the L.A. News Group when Shelburne was writing for the L.A. Daily News (part of the L.A. News Group), and it's my professional opinion that she was neither a good reporter nor a good writer. The fact that ESPN hired her shows how low their standards are.
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
There's a chance!!!
I'd take this positively because if the Jazz had convinced him, he'd do it tonight. They're the main competition IMO, but if MIA wins, it isn't about winning.
Yep. Tons of Jazz fans freaking out on Twitter about this. You have to think he's Boston-bound at this point, otherwise it'd seem pretty standard for him to just make the decision tonight.
How long did Hayward's meeting with the Celtics last?
Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
I was a copy editor for the L.A. News Group when Shelburne was writing for the L.A. Daily News (part of the L.A. News Group), and it's my professional opinion that she was neither a good reporter nor a good writer. The fact that ESPN hired her shows how low their standards are.
TP for the inside perspective
BTW having a blast here in Maine with my new house on the lake on July 4th. So many fireworks, I love it.
I was in Crenshaw a couple years ago for the 4th. I was wandering around drunk as hell. Was an unexpectedly beautiful thing, a highlight was a Mexican American guy excitedly dragging his family out into the driveway so they could light off a ton of fireworks.
They lit it up figuratively and literally, it was awesome.
http://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/882065456646955009
He's apparently torn. Again, to me that seems like he's wanting to leave, but feels bad about it.
http://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/882065456646955009This is good for Celtic fans. I feel like at this point it's between the Celts and Utah. He would not spurn his ex coach for Spoelstra and a worse team with less assets to build around him. It's gotta come down to what he truly feels and not his friends (Ingles, Gobert) feelings. Come on over to the East you're already penciled into the All Star game and the playoffs. ;D
He's apparently torn. Again, to me that seems like he's wanting to leave, but feels bad about it.
http://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/882065456646955009
He's apparently torn. Again, to me that seems like he's wanting to leave, but feels bad about it.
He's going to wuss out.. Stay in Utah and have a career in obscurity
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
I'm glad he can sleep on it, I wont be. I'll wake up every hour checking my phone. LOL
http://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/882065456646955009
He's apparently torn. Again, to me that seems like he's wanting to leave, but feels bad about it.
Agreed. That's the best news I've heard yet. He's coming to Boston.
Terrance Knighton
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Ok Tatum the truth. I need more good news. Come on @gordonhayward I'll be ur personal security
Torn between Utah and Stevens...
I'll say this.
Miami fans are REALLY annoying... Just read all their comments/replies on Twitter.
Seriously, "we can be a top-3 seed in this weak East w/Hayward", "we can have a better chance vs. Cleveland going forward", "we finished the season 30-11. there's our banner", blah blah blah ::)
Man, I hope so. Good theory.Sam Amick @sam_amick
Gordon Hayward will sleep on his decision to go to Utah, Boston, or Miami, I'm told. Another July 4 declaration it is...
I'm glad he can sleep on it, I wont be. I'll wake up every hour checking my phone. LOL
One thing people are sleeping on is the chance he was planning on Boston all long. If he was planning on Utah he wouldn't have bothered with most of this. No reason he would have expected Miami to be decent. But Boston? There have been rumors for years. There was the shamrock tweet by his wife a couple months ago.
There's a decent chance he and the Celtics had this planned.
And that's not homerism, it's just common sense.
Final prediction: my gut says Miami. Hoping I'm wrong but I've got this nagging feeling.
Final prediction: my gut says Miami. Hoping I'm wrong but I've got this nagging feeling.My gut tells me only two people in the entire world know what his choice will be and their first names were plastered on a screen at Fenway two days ago.
I haven't seen one person suggest Hayward should choose Boston. Even heard someone say there should be allure to play for Erik Spoelstra. ****
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
GREAT... There goes another "fallback option".
Man I'm optimistic but at this point if we don't land Hayward.. What options are left really?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
Phew. At least Gallinari isn't coming here, then.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
Phew. At least Gallinari isn't coming here, then.
I once had a girlfriend who was pretty awesome. She bought me things, gave me good attention, and was good with my family. She was my first girlfriend.
One day, I started to notice a different girl in my college. She was very good looking, studying to be a lawyer, and was the type of girl I always wanted to be with.
I wanted to go out with her, but I had this long time first love in the picture. I was torn. It was a tough decision, but I ended up breaking up with the longtime girl ( the Jazz) and pursued other options with a better future.
I feel your torness Gordon, but the Celtics are the girl that is studying to be the lawyer. I may have not ended up with the lawyer, but I took a chance.
Thank you.Ramona Shelbourne is a legit reporter yes, and I'm not denying her credibility nor that this report is dead wrong.She's literally the female brian windhorst lol. She was popular when the Lakers were good because she was an LA insider but once the Lakers became trash and Kobe retired she disappeared for a while. Something tells me that had Kobe "taken his talents to south beach" she would've been the next Miami heat insider with windhorst..
But has she EVER said anything positive about the C's in any tweet or TV appearance? Rarely. Of course being a Lakers fan might be a reason..
What's more annoying is she's the one who broke this news. Ugh.
She and Windhorst trashed the C's after the George trade and said it should be a given he goes to Miami now to play with superstar Dragic... ::)
I was a copy editor for the L.A. News Group when Shelburne was writing for the L.A. Daily News (part of the L.A. News Group), and it's my professional opinion that she was neither a good reporter nor a good writer. The fact that ESPN hired her shows how low their standards are.
TP for the inside perspective
BTW having a blast here in Maine with my new house on the lake on July 4th. So many fireworks, I love it.
I was in Crenshaw a couple years ago for the 4th. I was wandering around drunk as hell. Was an unexpectedly beautiful thing, a highlight was a Mexican American guy excitedly dragging his family out into the driveway so they could light off a ton of fireworks.
They lit it up figuratively and literally, it was awesome.
Congratulations on the new lake house. Which town? I was just in Maine visiting my family in Windsor.
Quite a few fireworks already going off in our neighborhood here in suburban L.A. Typical!
@Schultz_Report
Sense I've gotten is a low level of anxiety in the Gordon Hayward camp. Impressive and pretty cool given how monumental this decision is.
@Schultz_Report
Ingles+Hayward both w/Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports. They're close. Joe's guard skills as a pointforward+Gordon's versatility is ideal
@Schultz_Report
This very much leads me to believe Hayward is going to remain in Utah. Strong relationship w/Snyder, Ingles, player development staff, org.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/882090127996145665
Yet another reason for Hayward to move East. Add the Clippers to the mix now for strong teams at Utah's level or better.
GREAT... There goes another "fallback option".
Man I'm optimistic but at this point if we don't land Hayward.. What options are left really?
are Danny/Brad allowed to call Hayward or visit him again ?They showed Danny toward the end of the game in the tunnel he looked ready to dial up Hayward. I'm pretty sure they can he's a free agent. Brads gotta close this.
Like is that within the rules if he's a free agent?
Would love to get the last word in to get him over the line.
He's obviously really thinking about this decision.
Quote@Schultz_Report
Sense I've gotten is a low level of anxiety in the Gordon Hayward camp. Impressive and pretty cool given how monumental this decision is.Quote@Schultz_Report
Ingles+Hayward both w/Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports. They're close. Joe's guard skills as a pointforward+Gordon's versatility is idealQuote@Schultz_Report
This very much leads me to believe Hayward is going to remain in Utah. Strong relationship w/Snyder, Ingles, player development staff, org.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Schultz_Report
I don't know how reliable that guy is but posted it anyway
Somehow gotta find a serviceable big. Zizic not quite ready to be a starter.I don't think anyone expected zizic to be a starter right out the gate
Pretty sure this is not what Danny and company expected to happen this summer.
Who is the next uh unicorn Danny chases only to not get? Anthony Davis? I think Danny is a great person to get you picks. His draft record has been mixed. He has struggled getting established players to come here.
Fair or not...Boston is going to be labeled the biggest loser of the offseason if it misses on Hayward and only resigns KO. It also means Boston is not contending for three or so more years.
It is imperative the drafted players all pan out.
Don't worry... Resigning KO and some guys that are journeyman lifers will take the disappointment away.what happened with going to sleep at 11? Lol
And this all makes room for Jordan Mickey's corpse to return and take up a roster spot.
Don't worry... Resigning KO and some guys that are journeyman lifers will take the disappointment away.what happened with going to sleep at 11? Lol
And this all makes room for Jordan Mickey's corpse to return and take up a roster spot.
Somehow gotta find a serviceable big. Zizic not quite ready to be a starter.
Pretty sure this is not what Danny and company expected to happen this summer.
Who is the next uh unicorn Danny chases only to not get? Anthony Davis? I think Danny is a great person to get you picks. His draft record has been mixed. He has struggled getting established players to come here.
Fair or not...Boston is going to be labeled the biggest loser of the offseason if it misses on Hayward and only resigns KO. It also means Boston is not contending for three or so more years.
It is imperative the drafted players all pan out.
Huge disappointment if the only FA signings are KO and a bunch of low level scrap heap players. Would have to label this portion of the summer a huge failure
Somehow gotta find a serviceable big. Zizic not quite ready to be a starter.
Pretty sure this is not what Danny and company expected to happen this summer.
Who is the next uh unicorn Danny chases only to not get? Anthony Davis? I think Danny is a great person to get you picks. His draft record has been mixed. He has struggled getting established players to come here.
Fair or not...Boston is going to be labeled the biggest loser of the offseason if it misses on Hayward and only resigns KO. It also means Boston is not contending for three or so more years.
It is imperative the drafted players all pan out.
Not sure if this has been posted yet:So we will have to wait until tomorrow? How annoying...
Austin Horton: Not from Hayward (obviously) or the Jazz, but I’m told the decision will be between Utah & Boston, is expected to be announced tomorrow🤞
Huge disappointment if the only FA signings are KO and a bunch of low level scrap heap players. Would have to label this portion of the summer a huge failure
Not sure if this has been posted yet:So we will have to wait until tomorrow? How annoying...
Austin Horton: Not from Hayward (obviously) or the Jazz, but I’m told the decision will be between Utah & Boston, is expected to be announced tomorrow🤞
very well stated, and not in a bitter manner. thanks and a tp.Somehow gotta find a serviceable big. Zizic not quite ready to be a starter.
Pretty sure this is not what Danny and company expected to happen this summer.
Who is the next uh unicorn Danny chases only to not get? Anthony Davis? I think Danny is a great person to get you picks. His draft record has been mixed. He has struggled getting established players to come here.
Fair or not...Boston is going to be labeled the biggest loser of the offseason if it misses on Hayward and only resigns KO. It also means Boston is not contending for three or so more years.
It is imperative the drafted players all pan out.
What's the alternative? Going after non-star players like Galinari that will never be real difference makers? Giving up future assets to overpay for a guy like George who won't put you over the hump this year and could bolt next summer? Or tanking in the hopes that having 3 lottery picks instead of 2 will make the real difference next season?
The best option right now is to stay flexible. Don't give long term money to stop gap players. Don't waste picks on rentals and players that don't move the needle. If you have a chance to drastically improve the team without giving up major long term assets, do it. But stay in a position where you have a few different paths to contending - don't lock yourself into one path.
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Windhorst is an idiot, but if Ainge misses on Hayward: a) he will deserve criticism for this off-season, b) there may be truth to this notion that non-Celtic fans always cite.
Well today's the day!
About to go on a morning run. Hopefully no Player Tribune article is posted during it :P
But I think we may find out late morning/early afternoon at the earliest, since it's only like 6:30AM at San Diego now haha.
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Windhorst is an idiot, but if Ainge misses on Hayward: a) he will deserve criticism for this off-season, b) there may be truth to this notion that non-Celtic fans always cite.
LOL does anyone give a -dang- what Windhorst says?
If that's the case, why even take a meeting here?
Man I can't wait for Lebron to leave and for his Cavaliers to become irrelevant for another few decades :laugh:
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Windhorst is an idiot, but if Ainge misses on Hayward: a) he will deserve criticism for this off-season, b) there may be truth to this notion that non-Celtic fans always cite.
Not from Hayward (obviously) or the Jazz, but I'm told the decision will be between Utah & Boston, is expected to be announced tomorrowhttps://mobile.twitter.com/austinhorton/status/882092908358139905
https://mobile.twitter.com/EHollandSLT?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Take it for what it is
https://mobile.twitter.com/EHollandSLT?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Take it for what it is
https://mobile.twitter.com/EHollandSLT?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Take it for what it is
Is this guy legit?..
His twitter page sure looks like it but its only him saying it..
Why did he choose the Heat????? Ugh!
Geez, I almost had a heart attack.Why did he choose the Heat????? Ugh!
It's fake. He hasn't chosen anywhere yet..
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882239079047467008
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882239079047467008
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882239079047467008
Is Baynes legit
Did Gordon even wake up yet?
ESPN’s Chris Haynes reported the Boston Celtics feel “really, really good” about their chances of landing top free agent Gordon Hayward. After meeting with the Celtics, Miami Heat and Utah Jazz, Hayward reportedly slept on his decision Monday night. He is expected to reveal his choice either Tuesday or Wednesday. “I will say this: I’m hearing Boston is feeling really good about their chances of getting him,” Haynes said on television. “I don’t know what that means, but I’ve been talking to people in Boston. They feel really, really good about their shot. So it’s going to be tough. He met with Utah in San Diego for over three hours last night. Ricky Rubio actually flew from Spain to go down there and be present in that meeting. So they’re laying it all out. And like I said, it would be really tough on the Jazz faithful if he were to bolt, knowing what the Jazz did to try putting themselves in position.”
QuoteESPN’s Chris Haynes reported the Boston Celtics feel “really, really good” about their chances of landing top free agent Gordon Hayward. After meeting with the Celtics, Miami Heat and Utah Jazz, Hayward reportedly slept on his decision Monday night. He is expected to reveal his choice either Tuesday or Wednesday. “I will say this: I’m hearing Boston is feeling really good about their chances of getting him,” Haynes said on television. “I don’t know what that means, but I’ve been talking to people in Boston. They feel really, really good about their shot. So it’s going to be tough. He met with Utah in San Diego for over three hours last night. Ricky Rubio actually flew from Spain to go down there and be present in that meeting. So they’re laying it all out. And like I said, it would be really tough on the Jazz faithful if he were to bolt, knowing what the Jazz did to try putting themselves in position.”
QuoteESPN’s Chris Haynes reported the Boston Celtics feel “really, really good” about their chances of landing top free agent Gordon Hayward. After meeting with the Celtics, Miami Heat and Utah Jazz, Hayward reportedly slept on his decision Monday night. He is expected to reveal his choice either Tuesday or Wednesday. “I will say this: I’m hearing Boston is feeling really good about their chances of getting him,” Haynes said on television. “I don’t know what that means, but I’ve been talking to people in Boston. They feel really, really good about their shot. So it’s going to be tough. He met with Utah in San Diego for over three hours last night. Ricky Rubio actually flew from Spain to go down there and be present in that meeting. So they’re laying it all out. And like I said, it would be really tough on the Jazz faithful if he were to bolt, knowing what the Jazz did to try putting themselves in position.”
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Not to be a wet blanket, but why would the Celtics staff be huddling at Utah SL on a day off at 9:00 AM local time with media present?
For what its worth, Kevin Durant's announcement came around 11:30am.
https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/882256882404122625QuoteKeith SmithVerified account
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Not to be a wet blanket, but why would the Celtics staff be huddling at Utah SL on a day off at 9:00 AM local time with media present?
Practice? Shoot around? Hayward... :o
I'm a watch some Curb your enthusiasm.... hope this ends soon!I went out and mowed the lawn, then took a shower. Got a window here for a few hours until heading into town for the fireworks. Gordon, now would be a good time for me.
http://twitter.com/ForeverGreen_/status/882254450538237954he has a lot of pinned tweets he supposedly broke hmmmm
Is this true about that account last year with Horford?
http://twitter.com/ForeverGreen_/status/882254450538237954
Is this true about that account last year with Horford?
No one is "breaking this news" before Hayward announces it. People are making educated guesses so they can pretend they had an inside source when the news actually breaks.
No one is "breaking this news" before Hayward announces it. People are making educated guesses so they can pretend they had an inside source when the news actually breaks.
Nah. I bet he announces it via players tribune. I suppose it's possible it leaks but it sure as hell isnt leaking to a joe schmoe fan account with 5000 followers. If it's woj or shams or someone like that I'd obviously buy it but most of the "reports" you'll see are total bs.No one is "breaking this news" before Hayward announces it. People are making educated guesses so they can pretend they had an inside source when the news actually breaks.
You think the first moment Hayward speaks of it is when he announces it in a press conference setting? He could easily tell a few people in his inner circle, and from there it's just a matter of loose lips. Not saying that Twitter account is verification of anything, but it isn't a fake account just trying to stir things up either.
Nah. I bet he announces it via players tribune. I suppose it's possible it leaks but it sure as hell isnt leaking to a joe schmoe fan account with 5000 followers. If it's woj or shams or someone like that I'd obviously buy it but most of the "reports" you'll see are total bs.No one is "breaking this news" before Hayward announces it. People are making educated guesses so they can pretend they had an inside source when the news actually breaks.
You think the first moment Hayward speaks of it is when he announces it in a press conference setting? He could easily tell a few people in his inner circle, and from there it's just a matter of loose lips. Not saying that Twitter account is verification of anything, but it isn't a fake account just trying to stir things up either.
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
dont know if this is true or not...has this been confirmed anywhere else yet?
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
Does anyone else ever feel like we're so obsessed over signing this guy that we've completely forgot that it's just Gordon Hayward?
Does anyone else ever feel like we're so obsessed over signing this guy that we've completely forgot that it's just Gordon Hayward?
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
Isn't he one of the guys that claimed we were trading for Blake last year?
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
Who is Dan Lifshatz? Where are my FBI people in Celtics Blog? Help me do a thorough research on him!!
Does anyone else ever feel like we're so obsessed over signing this guy that we've completely forgot that it's just Gordon Hayward?
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
Isn't he one of the guys that claimed we were trading for Blake last year?
Pretty sure.
Does anyone else ever feel like we're so obsessed over signing this guy that we've completely forgot that it's just Gordon Hayward?
He's as good as Paul George, who everyone was drooling for, except we don't have to trade anything for him.
It would also be the second year in a row the Celtics would land the second best free agent AND add a top 3 rookie.
dont know if this is true or not...
Dan Lifshatz @DanLifshatz
Let me rephrase. Hayward has agreed to terms with team and is signing with the Celtics. It's a done deal
10:27 AM - 4 Jul 2017
Isn't he one of the guys that claimed we were trading for Blake last year?
Pretty sure.
I don't think this guy is reliable at all... Just another troll in the local media...
Yeah he's on 98.5 but he's not someone who breaks news
Is it good for us if this takes longer, or bad?
Is it good for us if this takes longer, or bad?
This dude needs to spell check and hit submit on his Players' Tribune article already. He's barely an All Star and he's completely holding up the rest of free agency/my life.It is incredibly inconsiderate of him. Taking away from family BBQs and such on America's birthday.
Is it good for us if this takes longer, or bad?
Perspective: Its only 9:30am where he is. Maybe he just wants to eat cheerios first.
This dude needs to spell check and hit submit on his Players' Tribune article already. He's barely an All Star and he's completely holding up the rest of free agency/my life.It is incredibly inconsiderate of him. Taking away from family BBQs and such on America's birthday.
Maybe it is not the type of character we need on the team.
I say we move on to someone else.
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/ check "following" could mean nothing of courseWho is that and who did he just follow? I'm not on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/ check "following" could mean nothing of course
@AdamMKaufman: People tweeting fun social media info, like Gordon Hayward's trainer recently following #Celtics players on Instagram. Coincidence? Maybe.
Oh God...hey man, i'm also a huge arsenal fan. but to me, it doesn't matter if we sign messi and ronaldo, but ain't nothing changing till the old man is gone...
With Gordon Hayward and Alexandre Lacazette holding off their decisions, this is too much anxiety for me to handle.
I need a milkshake.
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People tweeting fun social media info, like Gordon Hayward's trainer recently following #Celtics players on Instagram. Coincidence? Maybe.
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/ check "following" could mean nothing of courseDidn't notice that you wrote about it first, TP!
Oh God...hey man, i'm also a huge arsenal fan. but to me, it doesn't matter if we sign messi and ronaldo, but ain't nothing changing till the old man is gone...
With Gordon Hayward and Alexandre Lacazette holding off their decisions, this is too much anxiety for me to handle.
I need a milkshake.
sorry for a little of topic discussion...
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/ check "following" could mean nothing of courseWho is that and who did he just follow? I'm not on Instagram
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882274114597158913?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetThat would be the equivalent of a code red for Boston fans. Insane hysteria would ensue.QuoteAdam KaufmanVerified account
@AdamMKaufman
People tweeting fun social media info, like Gordon Hayward's trainer recently following #Celtics players on Instagram. Coincidence? Maybe.
At this point, can IT just post some eyeballs on Twitter please :laugh:
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882274114597158913?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetThat would be the equivalent of a code red for Boston fans. Insane hysteria would ensue.QuoteAdam KaufmanVerified account
@AdamMKaufman
People tweeting fun social media info, like Gordon Hayward's trainer recently following #Celtics players on Instagram. Coincidence? Maybe.
At this point, can IT just post some eyeballs on Twitter please :laugh:
personally, i dont think this board has suffered nearly enough, nor passed through enough hoops of anguish. so take this!!!!!! ;DOld news. Posted at least 10 mins ago.
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From SoSH....
Hayward's trainer just apparently started following a bunch of Celtics players on Instagram, sending people into a tizzy.
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/
#784
[dang]! >:(personally, i dont think this board has suffered nearly enough, nor passed through enough hoops of anguish. so take this!!!!!! ;DOld news. Posted at least 10 mins ago.
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From SoSH....
Hayward's trainer just apparently started following a bunch of Celtics players on Instagram, sending people into a tizzy.
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/
#784
Amick is live on espn right now and said he heard Hayward was leaning Boston. He heard that heat are out of the race
[dang]! >:(personally, i dont think this board has suffered nearly enough, nor passed through enough hoops of anguish. so take this!!!!!! ;DOld news. Posted at least 10 mins ago.
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From SoSH....
Hayward's trainer just apparently started following a bunch of Celtics players on Instagram, sending people into a tizzy.
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/
#784
true. disappointing, but true. :-[[dang]! >:(personally, i dont think this board has suffered nearly enough, nor passed through enough hoops of anguish. so take this!!!!!! ;DOld news. Posted at least 10 mins ago.
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From SoSH....
Hayward's trainer just apparently started following a bunch of Celtics players on Instagram, sending people into a tizzy.
https://www.instagram.com/smeathers5/
#784
Psst, you're no Woj, brah! ;D
Got a Twitter update on my phone from Shams Charania. Thought it was finally "it." Nope. Just George Hill signing with Sacramento. So disappointed right now.
Hill going to SAC is good for:
- Hayward leaving
- LAK being bad
- SAC could still be bad in 2019 as Hill is super injury prone of late.
If you don't have twitter... Download it Now. Search "Hayward Celtics"..
I almost don't care if he signs... The commentry is golden
So the news is supposed to be posted on haywards website? Don't even know if real as the page won't load.i would guess that he is changing the graphics.
http://www.gordonhayward20.life
If you don't have twitter... Download it Now. Search "Hayward Celtics"..
I almost don't care if he signs... The commentry is golden
Arghhh! Took me about five posts before I realized that those were all fake accounts. Bad Trickybilly, bad!
Mike
So the news is supposed to be posted on haywards website? Don't even know if real as the page won't load for me.
http://www.gordonhayward20.life
Not a bad way to look at it for sure!So the news is supposed to be posted on haywards website? Don't even know if real as the page won't load.i would guess that he is changing the graphics.
http://www.gordonhayward20.life
Hill going to SAC is good for:
- Hayward leaving
- LAK being bad
- SAC could still be bad in 2019 as Hill is super injury prone of late.
So the news is supposed to be posted on haywards website? Don't even know if real as the page won't load for me.
http://www.gordonhayward20.life
It loaded fine yesterday, probably overloaded with traffic......
If you don't have twitter... Download it Now. Search "Hayward Celtics"..
I almost don't care if he signs... The commentry is golden
Arghhh! Took me about five posts before I realized that those were all fake accounts. Bad Trickybilly, bad!
Mike
**** mike... I'm in the same boat. Just try enjoy it... Like watching old people dance.
The myriad fake Woj accounts aren't helping my digestion
If you don't have twitter... Download it Now. Search "Hayward Celtics"..
I almost don't care if he signs... The commentry is golden
Arghhh! Took me about five posts before I realized that those were all fake accounts. Bad Trickybilly, bad!
Mike
**** mike... I'm in the same boat. Just try enjoy it... Like watching old people dance.
The myriad fake Woj accounts aren't helping my digestion
Watching old people dance? Well, I did see Amir Johnson play PF for 2 years...
Mike
I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....Not KD. But IF the Cs sign him, he'd be the best player on the team so there's that.
I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....
In other news:
Zach Randolph agreed to a 2-year, $24M deal with Sacramento Kings.
Even better news for our Lakers pick. And enticing Gordon Hayward to leave the West.
If you don't have twitter... Download it Now. Search "Hayward Celtics"..
I almost don't care if he signs... The commentry is golden
Arghhh! Took me about five posts before I realized that those were all fake accounts. Bad Trickybilly, bad!
Mike
**** mike... I'm in the same boat. Just try enjoy it... Like watching old people dance.
The myriad fake Woj accounts aren't helping my digestion
Watching old people dance? Well, I did see Amir Johnson play PF for 2 years...
Mike
Weird tweet.. Probably nothing.
gordon hayward’s family just followed the celtics on ig 😞
Old, social media idiots like me are relying on you all to sort through the fake stuff and tell us what's really happening. Are these latest reports valid? Is there any true sense this is starting to lean Boston?
In other news:
Zach Randolph agreed to a 2-year, $24M deal with Sacramento Kings.
Even better news for our Lakers pick. And enticing Gordon Hayward to leave the West.
I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....
Adam KaufmanVerified account
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Increasingly positive vibe from multiple sources on #Celtics' chances of signing Gordon Hayward. Tough to decipher whether decision's final.
Thanks!Old, social media idiots like me are relying on you all to sort through the fake stuff and tell us what's really happening. Are these latest reports valid? Is there any true sense this is starting to lean Boston?
There are some legit ESPN reporters saying he's leaning towards Boston and they feel really good about their chances.
Take it as you may.
I'm not counting them out, but some have said MIA is out of the running for the most part.
Old, social media idiots like me are relying on you all to sort through the fake stuff and tell us what's really happening. Are these latest reports valid? Is there any true sense this is starting to lean Boston?
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882290164525129728?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteAdam KaufmanVerified account
@AdamMKaufman
Increasingly positive vibe from multiple sources on #Celtics' chances of signing Gordon Hayward. Tough to decipher whether decision's final.
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882290164525129728?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteAdam KaufmanVerified account
@AdamMKaufman
Increasingly positive vibe from multiple sources on #Celtics' chances of signing Gordon Hayward. Tough to decipher whether decision's final.
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882290164525129728?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteAdam KaufmanVerified account
@AdamMKaufman
Increasingly positive vibe from multiple sources on #Celtics' chances of signing Gordon Hayward. Tough to decipher whether decision's final.
really?/
How can Kaufmann be trusted after his bogus PG13 to Celtics claim
I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....
Don't think that's what you are seeing. Got exciting here last year with Al. Folks here know GH is a good piece, not a savior.
Read the c's just followed Haywards trainer on Instagram, can someone confirm?
His website is down
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882290164525129728?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetQuoteAdam KaufmanVerified account
@AdamMKaufman
Increasingly positive vibe from multiple sources on #Celtics' chances of signing Gordon Hayward. Tough to decipher whether decision's final.
really?/
How can Kaufmann be trusted after his bogus PG13 to Celtics claim
Wasn't bogus. Even Woj reported it.
Indiana's GM proved to be a bigger idiot than we thought haha.
Just reloaded his website and it took me to his Facebook page. CLEARLY, something is happening right NOW.His website is down
Old news. Posted 5 minutes ago :P :laugh:
maybe he's looking for new clientsRead the c's just followed Haywards trainer on Instagram, can someone confirm?
I didn't see any confirmed accounts from the Celtics following his trainer. Possible that the Celtics don't have a confirmed instagram account (I doubt it)
The trainer DID however follow 4-5 Celtics players accounts in the last hour or so.
Is the .life page a Facebook page?
Mike
I'm told Decision within the hour! ;Dby whom? your butt? ::)
Read the c's just followed Haywards trainer on Instagram, can someone confirm?
I didn't see any confirmed accounts from the Celtics following his trainer. Possible that the Celtics don't have a confirmed instagram account (I doubt it)
The trainer DID however follow 4-5 Celtics players accounts in the last hour or so.
A loud firework just went off near my home in CO..surely a sign of the pending fireworks for us....
Read the c's just followed Haywards trainer on Instagram, can someone confirm?
I didn't see any confirmed accounts from the Celtics following his trainer. Possible that the Celtics don't have a confirmed instagram account (I doubt it)
The trainer DID however follow 4-5 Celtics players accounts in the last hour or so.
So when a trainer follows a bunch of Celtics this is good because he's establishing a network with his soon to be new team? Humor me - I got this generally correct?
I'm told Decision within the hour! ;D
TP. I have decided that my excitement is official.Read the c's just followed Haywards trainer on Instagram, can someone confirm?
I didn't see any confirmed accounts from the Celtics following his trainer. Possible that the Celtics don't have a confirmed instagram account (I doubt it)
The trainer DID however follow 4-5 Celtics players accounts in the last hour or so.
So when a trainer follows a bunch of Celtics this is good because he's establishing a network with his soon to be new team? Humor me - I got this generally correct?
That's correct. It would be a troll level coincidence if his personal trainer started following 5 Celtics official accounts in the hour or two leading up to his announcement (and not follow a single Heat account)
A loud firework just went off near my home in CO..surely a sign of the pending fireworks for us....
At the Denver zoo now trying to avoid my kids so I can refresh this page!
Mike
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6KnZLV0AAwB98.jpg:large
Here's who the trainer followed.
i need my life back c'mon GH!I know!!!! Wife wants to go out and eat but told her later on after Gordon Hayward announce his decision,,she said "who is Gordon Hayward"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6KnZLV0AAwB98.jpg:large
Here's who the trainer followed.
The Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6KnZLV0AAwB98.jpg:large
Here's who the trainer followed.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6HFqrXkAAwwAK?format=jpg)
Should we read into the fact that his trainer is not following AB and Jae?
;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6KnZLV0AAwB98.jpg:large
Here's who the trainer followed.
What, no KO? 8)
I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....
Can you give one example? You've been ****ting on people's enthusiasm all day with no real proper point.
Fans want to improve, Hayward is an all-star, in his prime. What's wrong with wanting to add talent? If you dont like Hayward, that's fine. But don't put words in other people's mouths so you can rip them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6HFqrXkAAwwAK?format=jpg)ab doesn't really have an instagram. His camp one hasn't been used in a while
Should we read into the fact that his trainer is not following AB and Jae?
;)
I don't think anyone ever said he was the final piece. BUT he would be a big piece and another step in the right direction for this team.I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....
Can you give one example? You've been ****ting on people's enthusiasm all day with no real proper point.
Fans want to improve, Hayward is an all-star, in his prime. What's wrong with wanting to add talent? If you dont like Hayward, that's fine. But don't put words in other people's mouths so you can rip them.
I generally don't like buzzkills, so I apologize for being one.
I too want GH. I'm just not going to pretend that much will change over the next couple years b/c of him. He is one piece, and the next shoe has to fall before this team takes the next step.
I think he's a good fit for the team.
on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
I love how people here are pretending that Gordo is KD....
Can you give one example? You've been ****ting on people's enthusiasm all day with no real proper point.
Fans want to improve, Hayward is an all-star, in his prime. What's wrong with wanting to add talent? If you dont like Hayward, that's fine. But don't put words in other people's mouths so you can rip them.
I generally don't like buzzkills, so I apologize for being one.
I too want GH. I'm just not going to pretend that much will change over the next couple years b/c of him. He is one piece, and the next shoe has to fall before this team takes the next step.
I think he's a good fit for the team.
Um, no. One is not depending on the other. The kings being better definitely reduces the odds of getting a premium pick. We don't get to choose the better pick. We get what we get based on the parameters.on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
Uh, you mean this just makes the LA pick much more likely given that the Kings are now not near as much of a threat to be as bad as LA?
on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
Uh, you mean this just makes the LA pick much more likely given that the Kings are now not near as much of a threat to be as bad as LA?
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Can confirm that Gordon Hayward's announcement is imminent.
Michael PinaVerified account @MichaelVPina 1m1 minute ago
Can confirm that Gordon Hayward's announcement is imminent.
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/882298340066635776?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetTell me. PLEASE!QuoteMichael PinaVerified account
@MichaelVPina
Can confirm that Gordon Hayward's announcement is imminent.
Hayward just took the jazz out of his twitter bio! Lol
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Um, no. One is not depending on the other. The kings being better definitely reduces the odds of getting a premium pick. We don't get to choose the better pick. We get what we get based on the parameters.on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
Uh, you mean this just makes the LA pick much more likely given that the Kings are now not near as much of a threat to be as bad as LA?
if all hayward does is announce that he is taking another day to think about this...i will hate him forever. >:(
Nah jpotter is correct. With these additions sacremento is likely going to be better than LA making it more likely that the Lakers pick conveys.Um, no. One is not depending on the other. The kings being better definitely reduces the odds of getting a premium pick. We don't get to choose the better pick. We get what we get based on the parameters.on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
Uh, you mean this just makes the LA pick much more likely given that the Kings are now not near as much of a threat to be as bad as LA?
But if the LAL pick does not convey in 2018, the C's only get a 2nd rounder from the Kings in 2019, we don't want that right?Um, no. One is not depending on the other. The kings being better definitely reduces the odds of getting a premium pick. We don't get to choose the better pick. We get what we get based on the parameters.on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
Uh, you mean this just makes the LA pick much more likely given that the Kings are now not near as much of a threat to be as bad as LA?
Hayward just took the jazz out of his twitter bio! Lol
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/631/382.gif)
IT'S A SIGN!
Um, no. One is not depending on the other. The kings being better definitely reduces the odds of getting a premium pick. We don't get to choose the better pick. We get what we get based on the parameters.on a side noteQuoteThe Sacramento Kings have agreed to deals with free agent point guard George Hill and forward Zach Randolphthere goes the 2019 pick :(
Randolph's deal is for 2 years and worth $24 million, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Hill's deal is for 3 years and worth $57 million, according to ESPN's Marc Spears and multiple reports.
Uh, you mean this just makes the LA pick much more likely given that the Kings are now not near as much of a threat to be as bad as LA?
if all hayward does is announce that he is taking another day to think about this...i will hate him forever. >:(
Oh at that point, I would just forget about him and move on. Screw him! :laugh:
Hayward to Knicks?????!!!! WaaaayCalathes to Olympiakos???? WHAAAAAAT!
No.. Wait.. Nick Calathes to olympiakos.. My bad.
if all hayward does is announce that he is taking another day to think about this...i will hate him forever. >:(
Oh at that point, I would just forget about him and move on. Screw him! :laugh:
If he does that, then he's reconsidering going back to Utah.
Talk about Kevin Durant and LeBron James "The Decision" saga.
I just cancelled out on going to the fireworks on the Charles. Wife was okay with that. We are doing take-out Thai food instead.i need my life back c'mon GH!I know!!!! Wife wants to go out and eat but told her later on after Gordon Hayward announce his decision,,she said "who is Gordon Hayward"
Hayward to Knicks?????!!!! Waaaay
No.. Wait.. Nick Calathes to olympiakos.. My bad.
I just cancelled out on going to the fireworks on the Charles. Wife was okay with that. We are doing take-out Thai food instead.i need my life back c'mon GH!I know!!!! Wife wants to go out and eat but told her later on after Gordon Hayward announce his decision,,she said "who is Gordon Hayward"
But if the LAL pick does not convey in 2018, the C's only get a 2nd rounder from the Kings in 2019, we don't want that right?
WOW this thread has like 350 people viewing it... :oExplains why Celticsblog keeps crashing. I keep getting the "connection error" message...
@ChrisBHaynes: Free-agent Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell ESPN.
true or not, i do not know...
Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
Free-agent Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell ESPN.
1:17 PM - 4 Jul 2017
I'll be disappointed if we don't find out in the next 30 minutes.
Need to eat lunch soon LOL.
true or not, i do not know...
Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
Free-agent Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell ESPN.
1:17 PM - 4 Jul 2017
ha ha ha...TA beats me by seconds! congrats and a tp.
OK thx. I know folks have their eye on Bagley in 2019, but I really want 2 shots on goal in 2018 lottery.But if the LAL pick does not convey in 2018, the C's only get a 2nd rounder from the Kings in 2019, we don't want that right?
My understanding is that if we miss on the Lakers 2018 pick (outside of 2-5), we get the better of Philly or Sac first round pick in 2019, unless the better is the #1, then we get the other one.
Worst (very unlikely) case, we miss on the Lakers and then either Philly gets #1 in 2019, then Sac makes the playoffs in 2019.
Most likely, this is going to be a lottery pick with a good chance of being a top 5 pick.
true or not, i do not know...
Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
Free-agent Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell ESPN.
1:17 PM - 4 Jul 2017
WHERE THE WOJ BOMB
Where's the Ron Paul "IT'S HAPPENING" gif?Haha! Great minds think alike. TP!
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/631/382.gif)
tps for everyone here who, like me, has zero social life and an addiction to our celtics!! ;D
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/631/382.gif)lol
Isaiah ThomasVerified account @Isaiah_Thomas
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Helllll Yes!!! So KO is gone. What about Crowder
Sam AmickVerified account @sam_amick
Can confirm that Gordon Hayward intends to sign with the Boston Celtics. @ChrisBHaynes first.
Wowzer.
Jae... My man... Wish you were 6"9 with a post game.
(https://m.popkey.co/c1530c/E8aYm.gif)
true or not, i do not know...
Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
Free-agent Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell ESPN.
1:17 PM - 4 Jul 2017
ha ha ha...TA beats me by seconds! congrats and a tp.
Sam Amick confirms the report by Chris Haynes.Zach Lowe joins the group:QuoteSam AmickVerified account @sam_amick
Can confirm that Gordon Hayward intends to sign with the Boston Celtics. @ChrisBHaynes first.
Zach LoweVerified account @ZachLowe_NBA
Can confirm the @ChrisBHaynes report: Sources close to Hayward say he is signing in Boston.
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn
The Utah Jazz are still waiting to be told of Gordon Hayward's intentions, league source tells ESPN. Hayward hasn't told them his plans yet.
Ricky RubioVerified account @rickyrubio9
😔
I was not very optimistic about this.
I told my wife that his signing would make my summer. She responded really? The fact that your third child just started walking and this is what makes your summer. I told her I've seen two kids prior walk before it's been done before. This is the biggest C's FA signing probably ever so yeah this made my summer. LOL!
Fantastic News!!
We're coming for you, Lebron!
Daryl Morey @dmorey
3 minutes ago
Happy for @Danny Ainge @mikezarren @coachainge etc at @Marc D'Amico - I know how much they have worked for this moment
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Okay. Strap in. Told by a source w/knowledge of the process that Gordon Hayward has NOT made a decision yet & is still in the process. FWIW.
I was not very optimistic about this.
I told my wife that his signing would make my summer. She responded really? The fact that your third child just started walking and this is what makes your summer. I told her I've seen two kids prior walk before it's been done before. This is the biggest C's FA signing probably ever so yeah this made my summer. LOL!
Don't count on a fourth child
;)
Rak
Dang, and I thought I was fast. TP!true or not, i do not know...
Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
Free-agent Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell ESPN.
1:17 PM - 4 Jul 2017
ha ha ha...TA beats me by seconds! congrats and a tp.
To be fair, I beat all of you by 9 seconds and started a thread on it while we're at it. BOOM!
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92363.msg2353696#new
LOL, congrats everyone and TP's for all.
Now time to make the changes needed to bring home the Championship. Bring on KD!
QuoteDaryl Morey @dmorey
3 minutes ago
Happy for @Danny Ainge @mikezarren @coachainge etc at @Marc D'Amico - I know how much they have worked for this moment
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
Okay. Strap in. Told by a source w/knowledge of the process that Gordon Hayward has NOT made a decision yet & is still in the process. FWIW.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN: "Gordon hasn't made a decision yet. We are still working through it."
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @wojespn
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN: "Gordon hasn't made a decision yet. We are still working through it."
Id say he's told Boston he's coming but hasn't told Jazz and his agent is scrambling to recover some professionalism.this makes sense. They messed up in the order of telling teams.
Kurt Helin @basketballtalkGreat!now we can all do this once again! :P
This seems like the Dwight Howard situation a few years ago where they scrambled because news got out before they talked to teams
Woj: Hayward's agent says he still hasn't decided
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882306656188731393 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882306656188731393)
Not sure what to make of this; most likely this is just an excuse for why they reportedly haven't yet told Utah. Sounds like Hayward's team let the cat out of the bag before they planned.
Woj: Hayward's agent says he still hasn't decided
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882306656188731393 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882306656188731393)
Not sure what to make of this; most likely this is just an excuse for why they reportedly haven't yet told Utah. Sounds like Hayward's team let the cat out of the bag before they planned.
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/882305518307610624
Schultz and Woj are both saying that no one knows where he's going yet
Woj: Hayward's agent says he still hasn't decided
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882306656188731393 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882306656188731393)
Not sure what to make of this; most likely this is just an excuse for why they reportedly haven't yet told Utah. Sounds like Hayward's team let the cat out of the bag before they planned.
Guys, relax. It was obviously leaked to reporters but now his agent is doing damage control because Utah hasn't been notified yet.They have been notified now!!!
Kurt Helin @basketballtalk
This seems like the Dwight Howard situation a few years ago where they scrambled because news got out before they talked to teams
**** sounds like this report was BS. Back to panic mode. How has Hayward not made a decision yet?
Hayward was going to go to the celtics but that premature tweet p---ed him off and now he changed his mind and he's staying with the Jazz...
Who did Haynes receive this info from?
Bc its posted on espn front page now
If he is wrong... Oh man is he in trouble
Hayward was going to go to the celtics but that premature tweet p---ed him off and now he changed his mind and he's staying with the Jazz...
This is what I’m afraid of.
What if out of spite of this news coming out the way he hadn’t intended makes him change his mind?
I think this is the case as well.https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/882305518307610624
Schultz and Woj are both saying that no one knows where he's going yet
Looks like it's not confirmed yet. My guess is he didn't want it leaked yet before he had a chance to tell the Jazz..
Who did Haynes receive this info from?
Bc its posted on espn front page now
If he is wrong... Oh man is he in trouble
I think this is the case as well.https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/882305518307610624
Schultz and Woj are both saying that no one knows where he's going yet
Looks like it's not confirmed yet. My guess is he didn't want it leaked yet before he had a chance to tell the Jazz..
Hayward was going to go to the celtics but that premature tweet p---ed him off and now he changed his mind and he's staying with the Jazz...
This is what I’m afraid of.
What if out of spite of this news coming out the way he hadn’t intended makes him change his mind?
guys relax. It's all covering up to soften the blow for the Jazz. Haynes has gotten this directly from the C's front office. They know he's coming, the Jazz haven't been told yet. He's called Danny and Brad to say he's coming and his agent and now amick are covering for the C's so they can talk to Jazz first.
Same thing happened with Dwight Howard a few years ago. We are all good ;)
Reeeelllllaaaxxxx. Grab a blunt and a drink and celebrate the 4th of July.
IT'S HAPPENING!!!
Isaiah's wife just posted this video on Instagram. Hayward must be coming if IT is acting this way.
https://twitter.com/OnlyInBOS/status/882309423015833600 (https://twitter.com/OnlyInBOS/status/882309423015833600)
NBA TV ticker is still saying he plans to sign with Celitcs.everyone is reporting it. It would be A major blow to reputations of every news site to backtrack
Locke, the Utah ESPN beat writer is confirming and says 'Sorry it's true' to Jazz fans....
David Locke @Lockedonsports
Jazz Fans Sam Amick and Chris Haynes are good. Sorry
4:07 AM - 5 Jul 2017
Locke, the Utah ESPN beat writer is confirming and says 'Sorry it's true' to Jazz fans....
David Locke @Lockedonsports
Jazz Fans Sam Amick and Chris Haynes are good. Sorry
4:07 AM - 5 Jul 2017
Locke, the Utah ESPN beat writer is confirming and says 'Sorry it's true' to Jazz fans....
David Locke @Lockedonsports
Jazz Fans Sam Amick and Chris Haynes are good. Sorry
4:07 AM - 5 Jul 2017
july 5th????
Adam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach
Hayward's agent Mark Bartelstein on whether final word is coming today: "That was the goal, but now we've got to kind of regroup here a bit"
Woj is just mad because he got beat by someone else, so he's trying to say "hold on I have the announcement soon on my website guys! I need your clicks on my ads!"
Same thing with Shultz report guy. Its sad and pathetic
Locke, the Utah ESPN beat writer is confirming and says 'Sorry it's true' to Jazz fans....
David Locke @Lockedonsports
Jazz Fans Sam Amick and Chris Haynes are good. Sorry
4:07 AM - 5 Jul 2017
july 5th????
Time zone difference for the poster?
They are just quoting ESPN. Same owner?NBA TV ticker is still saying he plans to sign with Celitcs.everyone is reporting it. It would be A major blow to reputations of every news site to backtrack
Maybe they're denying it until Hayward announces publicly?
Chris Haynes right now :
(https://media.tenor.com/images/26d977a9753660a447a22dabc0937239/tenor.gif)
This is getting ridiculous. Just confirm it
JFC, what a gong show this has become. I wonder who is holding up the process?
QuoteAdam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach
Hayward's agent Mark Bartelstein on whether final word is coming today: "That was the goal, but now we've got to kind of regroup here a bit"
Whaaaat is this????
Espn is such a joke lol
Hayward could have made this so simple by telling Utah 1st. Don't get it.QuoteAdam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach
Hayward's agent Mark Bartelstein on whether final word is coming today: "That was the goal, but now we've got to kind of regroup here a bit"
Whaaaat is this????
It's probably best for Gordon to stay in Utah if he needs to "regroup" because a reporter tweeted an erroneous report. This better be damage control from the agent for not notifying Utah yet. Otherwise, this makes Hayward look soft imo.
Ah screw it. Going to bed. Hayward or no Hayward Im going to support this team anyway, and I feel good about the future.lol
Ah screw it. Going to bed. Hayward or no Hayward Im going to support this team anyway, and I feel good about the future.
Ah screw it. Going to bed. Hayward or no Hayward Im going to support this team anyway, and I feel good about the future.
Good night
It's on ESPN - officially.
WELCOME TO BOSTON Gordon and Robyn!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;D :'( ;D :'( tears of joy.
QuoteAdam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach
Hayward's agent Mark Bartelstein on whether final word is coming today: "That was the goal, but now we've got to kind of regroup here a bit"
Whaaaat is this????
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.Who is?
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.Who is?
Gordon Hayward will become the most hated man in Boston if he changes his mind.
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.Who is?
Blakeley quoting Hayward agent
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.
Gordon Hayward will become the most hated man in Boston if he changes his mind.
He hasn't done anything wrong. Even his pick is the Jazz.
Of course today's world we will trash the wrong person.
The people that should be getting blame is everybody around Hayward
This is shades of A-Rod to Boston.Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. you're right. Premature leak p---ed a rod off and ultimately he joined a rival.
league source tells CSNNE.com that the 27-year-old will sign a four-year, $127.8 million deal that will likely include a player option after the third season.
Now they are saying he is p---ed and re evaluating everything.Who is?
Blakeley quoting Haywa
But he is p---ed at who? It is not the Celtics that leaked the info. Why should the Celtics be punished?
Not sure. Maybe that it got out early
Frankly, it's clear what happened.I mean you don't think UTAH looks at like you lol?
Hayward chose Boston. Planned to tell Utah + Celtics himself, on his own terms. Some idiot in Hayward's camp leaked it. Others confirmed it because it was true. Now, Hayward's agent is doing damage control because it's a terrible look to have something like this come out on twitter without first informing teams.
That's the only way this all makes sense. Credible media guys have cited sources plural in Hayward's camp--there's zero incentive for guys in Hayward's camp to make this up.
Sounds like the C's needed to renounce and waive a few players like KO to make the deal go threw first.Yeah, don't think leak is from boston. It's got to be from haywards camp. He's got a right to be p---ed but hopefully not at Boston.0
Not sure why since they don't sign for a couple days.
Agent shouldn't be p---ed at the C's, they don't tend to leak anything. Part of the reason Woj is on the outs.
Gordon Hayward will become the most hated man in Boston if he changes his mind.
He hasn't done anything wrong. Even his pick is the Jazz.
Of course today's world we will trash the wrong person.
The people that should be getting blame is everybody around Hayward
Exactly. He needs to fire whoever it is handling his PR.
This is shades of A-Rod to Boston.**** you're right. Premature leak p---ed a rod off and ultimately he joined a rival.
@miamiheat
I'd cry tbh.
Gordon Hayward will become the most hated man in Boston if he changes his mind.
He hasn't done anything wrong. Even his pick is the Jazz.
Of course today's world we will trash the wrong person.
The people that should be getting blame is everybody around Hayward
Exactly. He needs to fire whoever it is handling his PR.
Just him holding up this decision ON A NATIONAL HOLIDAY is irking many of us Celtics fans. Now this is happening and he wanting to reevaluate...I think he does deserve the scrutiny for the hold up, plus the PR around him.
Tony Jones @tribjazz
League source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"
It did leak early.This is shades of A-Rod to Boston.**** you're right. Premature leak p---ed a rod off and ultimately he joined a rival.
@miamiheat
I'd cry tbh.
That isn't what happened with A-Rod at all. Not even close. ARod was a trade that got cancelled because the restructuring of his contract wasn't allowed and New York came on and just took all of his contract. Had nothing to do with ARod being mad.
I'm no Trump supporter, and disagree with a lot of his stances.What's your point? Don't bring politics into this, I'm annoyed enough right now.
BUT, he *might* not entirely be wrong about the media these days...
I'm no Trump supporter, and disagree with a lot of his stances.What's your point? Don't bring politics into this, I'm annoyed enough right now.
BUT, he *might* not entirely be wrong about the media these days...
Sean Devaney: Speculation here, but a couple agents said their guess is sign-and-trade details or a separate Celtics trade is holding up Gordon Hayward.
Beat writer for Salt Lake paper saying Hayward has changed his mind four times in the last four days
I'm no Trump supporter, and disagree with a lot of his stances.What's your point? Don't bring politics into this, I'm annoyed enough right now.
BUT, he *might* not entirely be wrong about the media these days...
Haha well for starters. There's a lot of fake news out there right now.
Okay I'll stop now.
Haha, yes, thx.I'm no Trump supporter, and disagree with a lot of his stances.What's your point? Don't bring politics into this, I'm annoyed enough right now.
BUT, he *might* not entirely be wrong about the media these days...
Haha well for starters. There's a lot of fake news out there right now.
Okay I'll stop now.
i won't believe the Hayward news until I hear it from fox and friends.I'm no Trump supporter, and disagree with a lot of his stances.What's your point? Don't bring politics into this, I'm annoyed enough right now.
BUT, he *might* not entirely be wrong about the media these days...
Haha well for starters. There's a lot of fake news out there right now.
Okay I'll stop now.
Chris Haynes should be censured for making this premature announcement. ESPN just announced Hayward has not made up his mind.
What is going on...
I'm going to rewatch Tatum's 1st summer league game...
Watch Utah leaked it because they knew it would p--- him off about us and they knew he was bouncing. Some dirty underhanded tactics.
Getting close to having to actually talk to people at the BBQ now. Can't keep looking at my phone forever.Good luck with that! I weezled out of my social event at work.
The longer this takes the worse...I can see this, but who was Haynes source, and why would he put his reputation on the line like this?
If he had choosen Boston, it was just about informing Utah and then Boston and it all would have been done by now...
Getting seriously worried a report was made out a rumour by Haynes who already reported that Hayward was leaning Boston, so he was already on the edge and felt like this was it...
Then Amick, Himmelbach, Zach Lowe all mentioned Haynes as their league source.
We blew it!
The longer this takes the worse...
If he had choosen Boston, it was just about informing Utah and then Boston and it all would have been done by now...
Getting seriously worried a report was made out a rumour by Haynes who already reported that Hayward was leaning Boston, so he was already on the edge and felt like this was it...
Then Amick, Himmelbach, Zach Lowe all mentioned Haynes as their league source.
I believe the decision has been made but it was not conveyed correctly. But still this would be a gut punch
Looks like were not getting Hayward with this hold up.
Nba tv reporting that we may have to wait until tomorrow. Ugh.
First Jackson's camp and Suns cancelling our workout while we were flying to Sacramento for it.
Then Indiana snubbing our best trade package to send George out West.
Then, Hayward backing out on a decision to sign with the Celtics because he was mad that it got leaked.
The ghost of Rick Pitino and Kedrick Brown are haunting us.
Nba tv reporting that we may have to wait until tomorrow. Ugh.
Lol yeah, if GH makes his decision and it's not Boston, TOMORROW, then he will be one of the most hated in Boston.
Keep us waiting another 24 hours? Ugh..
Nba tv reporting that we may have to wait until tomorrow. Ugh.
Lol yeah, if GH makes his decision and it's not Boston, TOMORROW, then he will be one of the most hated in Boston.
Keep us waiting another 24 hours? Ugh..
Source says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017
League source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
If he wants to play for the Celtics he will. Some leaked info isn't going to stop him.
QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
What a nightmare. Hard to see Hayward coming out of this looking like anything but an indecisive weasel. He just needs to tell the relevant parties and get it done..
Maybe delay is because boston has the clear the space. If we see them renounce free agents and trade guys...Then we know why it has been delayedThat's not what his agent is actually saying is the hold up. Wish it was.
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
Haynes should be suspended or something if Hayward not coming..it's espn. They don't work like that
Haynes should be suspended or something if Hayward not coming..
What a nightmare. Hard to see Hayward coming out of this looking like anything but an indecisive weasel. He just needs to tell the relevant parties and get it done..
It speaks to him being a weak character guy. I don't like that.
Being laid back like Horford is already something I'm not really fond of, but a guy like Hayward can let you down and won't take responsibility in doing so.
Our team leaders have to be Smart, Bradley and Brown. They show the professionalism and willingness to step up in difficult times. Hopefully they get the upperhand in the lockerroom despite not being the best players on the team right now.
Haynes should be suspended or something if Hayward not coming..it's espn. They don't work like that
He will probably be promoted for bringing all the traffic to espns website lol
Watch this thread surpass the Brooklyn 2016-2017 watch thread
QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
This seems like ESPN is protecting Woj cause he is their new binky....exactly. Woj wants to break everything.
Man this is depressing.Still well over 450 viewers on the thread. Love the dedication!
Didn't we get him 2 hours ago? Ugh. Such a different atmosphere then.
Last year I remember horford decided very quickly. It was KD who we waited on but even KD seemed quick compared to this
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Be shocked if he selects Boston now, in all likelihood Utah is what he will choose.Lol why? There's 0 logic behind this.
Has to be Boston clearing space
Hayward IT Horford = Prima Donna, brinks truck, nice guyLast year I remember horford decided very quickly. It was KD who we waited on but even KD seemed quick compared to this
It was. You'd think that the camp would be upset with the leak but would announce it quickly after and state they wanted to call other teams first and announce it in their way. With this delay they could change their mind and state the leak was wrong and they were never signing with another team but the Jazz. This allows Hayward to back out if he really wants to. If he is taking another day to sleep on it this is a very real scenario.
Wow!
https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/228945660433539072
Wow!
https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/228945660433539072
It's on ESPN - officially.
WELCOME TO BOSTON Gordon and Robyn!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;D :'( ;D :'( tears of joy.
Right now ESPN reporting it as is holds no water when his agent and Utah pres are saying no intentions have been stated.
This isn’t looking good.
Wow!
https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/228945660433539072
July 27 2012...
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
This drama is sucking all the air out of what should be a very exciting decision. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, which day in July will he decide?Multiple days, of course!
It's on ESPN - officially.
WELCOME TO BOSTON Gordon and Robyn!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;D :'( ;D :'( tears of joy.
Right now ESPN reporting it as is holds no water when his agent and Utah pres are saying no intentions have been stated.
This isn’t looking good.
I hope ESPN hasn't goofed this up.
They normally get it right..
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Wow!
https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/228945660433539072
July 27 2012...
No, if he needed 5 days he should have said that, but he said he would decide quickly. Then he did decide, then he undecided, a very bad look.Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Desperation probably ;D We're a desperate and opinionated fanbase :laugh:
No, if he needed 5 days he should have said that, but he said he would decide quickly. Then he did decide, then he undecided, a very bad look.Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Its official!! The only fireworks we see today will be in the nightime sky. Going to see how long I can stay off net now.
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Has to be Boston clearing space
That literally makes no sense. You DO NOT have to already have it cleared if he's just agreeing to sign with us right now. There are numerous examples of this, specifically the Chris Paul trade the other day.
This isn't anything about clearing space.
I guess it could be something like a sign and trade, but I'm not sure that makes much sense either unless we're getting something like Hayward AND Favors in the deal in exchange for someone like Crowder or Bradley and some other minor draft compensation.
Wow!
https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/228945660433539072
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
A day? This is literally the 4th day, and if reputable reporters from SLC are to be believed, he's flip-flopped back and forth every day. That does show a bit of immaturity and a lack of confidence in himself if he can't make an informed decision after these meetings. Him holding up several teams and not being able to make up his mind is a bit ridiculous at this point.
Again, the most logical course of action is that he's already decided to go to Boston and this is just damage control. But to me at least, I do think it shows something about his character if he's not confident enough himself to make such a decision with confidence. That's not alpha/leader material.
At least KD owned his move and decision and never wavered.
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
A day? This is literally the 4th day, and if reputable reporters from SLC are to be believed, he's flip-flopped back and forth every day. That does show a bit of immaturity and a lack of confidence in himself if he can't make an informed decision after these meetings. Him holding up several teams and not being able to make up his mind is a bit ridiculous at this point.
Again, the most logical course of action is that he's already decided to go to Boston and this is just damage control. But to me at least, I do think it shows something about his character if he's not confident enough himself to make such a decision with confidence. That's not alpha/leader material.
At least KD owned his move and decision and never wavered.
Wow!
https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/228945660433539072
What a ****. Forget this guy, seriously..
C'mon just look back on this very thread and related ones. He said Tuesday or Wedensday. If he needed an extra day to Wedensday he should not have allowed the information to get out. He is in control of what he thinks, but apparently he trusted someone he should not have trusted.No, if he needed 5 days he should have said that, but he said he would decide quickly. Then he did decide, then he undecided, a very bad look.Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Link to any of that being fact?
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Fellow NBA free agents are annoyed by this Gordon Hayward mess. They've been waiting on the GH domino to fall, and now it's being drawn out.
C'mon just look back on this very thread and related ones. He said Tuesday or Wedensday. If he needed an extra day to Wedensday he should not have allowed the information to get out. He is in control of what he thinks, but apparently he trusted someone he should not have trusted.No, if he needed 5 days he should have said that, but he said he would decide quickly. Then he did decide, then he undecided, a very bad look.Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
Link to any of that being fact?
I am beginning to get sick about this whole thing
Has to be Boston clearing space
That literally makes no sense. You DO NOT have to already have it cleared if he's just agreeing to sign with us right now. There are numerous examples of this, specifically the Chris Paul trade the other day.
This isn't anything about clearing space.
I guess it could be something like a sign and trade, but I'm not sure that makes much sense either unless we're getting something like Hayward AND Favors in the deal in exchange for someone like Crowder or Bradley and some other minor draft compensation.
But wouldn't the C's conceivably lose leverage in trade scenarios if other teams KNOW we have to dump contracts because GH is definitely coming?
I could see how the C's might want to keep a lid on this.
Another reason why this indecision/stalling is a bad look for Hayward - he's holding up pretty much all of free agency with his decision, which hurts both teams and free agents.
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/882324353370685441QuoteFellow NBA free agents are annoyed by this Gordon Hayward mess. They've been waiting on the GH domino to fall, and now it's being drawn out.
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :PI want to believe you, but would hate getting burned again.
Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
WOJ BOMB?!?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/486736670599806976
"Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year maximum offer sheet with Gordon Hayward."
WOJ BOMB?!?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/486736670599806976
"Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year maximum offer sheet with Gordon Hayward."
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
https://twitter.com/tannerainge/status/882319415538204672
". @gordonhayward it is never too late to make the right decision #stayward #takenote
3:25 PM · Jul 4, 2017"
Dannys son is still tweeting to Hayward to stay in Utah
Danny its not too late to put him up for adoption
WOJ BOMB?!?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/486736670599806976
"Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year maximum offer sheet with Gordon Hayward."
why do you visit the fake woj website and post this sir?
stop visiting that site
https://twitter.com/tannerainge/status/882319415538204672
". @gordonhayward it is never too late to make the right decision #stayward #takenote
3:25 PM · Jul 4, 2017"
Dannys son is still tweeting to Hayward to stay in Utah
Danny its not too late to put him up for adoption
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
Dude, just stop. You're not even spelling Hayward's name correctly, but we're supposed to believe you have NBA sources leaking this stuff to you??
Geez, if someone,leaked his decsion early he just needs to take control of all this and make an announcement.QuoteSource says "this has been the most difficult decision of Gordon's life"
2:26 PM - 4 Jul 2017QuoteLeague source tells me "Gordon has changed his mind four times in the last four days"https://twitter.com/tribjazz
Ughh not good hes probably having cold feet and gonna return on a 2 year deal or something watch
Brad Stevens needs to call him right now and knock some sense into him :laugh:
My opinion of Hayward is starting to drop.
Yeah, it's starting to reek of immaturity if he truly is flip-flopping back and forth like this.
I honestly think this is mostly damage control and the deal is already done, but it would be a terrible look for him if he really was this indecisive.
You guys are acting ridiculously. Even if he's undecided, it doesn't mean he has flawed character. He's making a major decision about the future for his family. Can't he have a day?
A day? This is literally the 4th day, and if reputable reporters from SLC are to be believed, he's flip-flopped back and forth every day. That does show a bit of immaturity and a lack of confidence in himself if he can't make an informed decision after these meetings. Him holding up several teams and not being able to make up his mind is a bit ridiculous at this point.
Again, the most logical course of action is that he's already decided to go to Boston and this is just damage control. But to me at least, I do think it shows something about his character if he's not confident enough himself to make such a decision with confidence. That's not alpha/leader material.
At least KD owned his move and decision and never wavered.
Grow up! Your too obsessed ::)
Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
Blakely reported that an NBA source is saying the agreement is 4Yrs 127.8 deal.. with 4 year a player option...I get more confident when I see specific numbers. Nice
http://bit.ly/2tGlmcK
WOJ BOMB?!?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/486736670599806976
"Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year maximum offer sheet with Gordon Hayward."
why do you visit the fake woj website and post this sir?
stop visiting that site
It's not fake, it's from 2014.
Blakely reported that an NBA source is saying the agreement is 4Yrs 127.8 deal.. with 4 year a player option...I get more confident when I see specific numbers. Nice
http://bit.ly/2tGlmcK
Blakely reported that an NBA source is saying the agreement is 4Yrs 127.8 deal.. with 4 year a player option...
http://bit.ly/2tGlmcK
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC9W9gTVYAAqdmF.jpg)WOJ BOMB?!?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/486736670599806976
"Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year maximum offer sheet with Gordon Hayward."
why do you visit the fake woj website and post this sir?
stop visiting that site
It's not fake, it's from 2014.
Yeah, a few years ago Charlotte signed him to an offer sheet when he was a restricted free agent, then the Jazz matched.
Old news.
WOJ BOMB?!?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/486736670599806976
"Charlotte has agreed to a 4-year maximum offer sheet with Gordon Hayward."
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?
I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?basically agent told woj no decision made yet and they have to "regroup" whatever that means
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?
Nobody knows, complete chaos. Everyone is in the dark, and there's a good chance no decision until tomorrow.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?
Nobody knows, complete chaos. Everyone is in the dark, and there's a good chance no decision until tomorrow.
Yep. It's starting to get a little ridiculous and frustrating.
Was thinking this day couldn't get any stranger... Then three teams texted, wondering who Celts may make available assuming Hayward signs.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?
Nobody knows, complete chaos. Everyone is in the dark, and there's a good chance no decision until tomorrow.
Yep. It's starting to get a little ridiculous and frustrating.
I still think the most likely explanation is that it leaked, and Hayward's camp wanted to do a proper reveal. I just find it impossible to believe that Amick and Lowe and Mannix and Haynes and Himmelsbach and Pina were all wrong. Regardless, this whole situation has devolved into a total ****show.
I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yes. We're talking about some of the most reliable names in the business in Lowe, Mannix, and Amick.
Yeah but those guys are not hacks.Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yes. We're talking about some of the most reliable names in the business in Lowe, Mannix, and Amick.
Haynes was the 1st to post it on twitter.... so these guys prob all followed him
Haynes (his fault or not) has messed up espns credibility right now
Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yes. We're talking about some of the most reliable names in the business in Lowe, Mannix, and Amick.
Haynes was the 1st to post it on twitter.... so these guys prob all followed him
Haynes (his fault or not) has messed up espns credibility right now
After the news and smiles my wife and daughter (who couldn't care less about Gordon Who?) dragged my surgically repaired body for ice cream. I return and it's back to square one? Say it ain't so. What happenned?
Nobody knows, complete chaos. Everyone is in the dark, and there's a good chance no decision until tomorrow.
Yep. It's starting to get a little ridiculous and frustrating.
I still think the most likely explanation is that it leaked, and Hayward's camp wanted to do a proper reveal. I just find it impossible to believe that Amick and Lowe and Mannix and Haynes and Himmelsbach and Pina were all wrong. Regardless, this whole situation has devolved into a total ****show.
Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yes. We're talking about some of the most reliable names in the business in Lowe, Mannix, and Amick.
Haynes was the 1st to post it on twitter.... so these guys prob all followed him
Haynes (his fault or not) has messed up espns credibility right now
Waiting on JaMychal, then S&T KO + Bradley for Hayward with leftover cap room.
Please?
Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yes. We're talking about some of the most reliable names in the business in Lowe, Mannix, and Amick.
Haynes was the 1st to post it on twitter.... so these guys prob all followed him
Haynes (his fault or not) has messed up espns credibility right now
I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
And KD met with twice as many teams.I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
There's already been reliable reports that other free agents, agents, and teams are frustrated with this stalling by the Hayward camp.
But he's had 4 days now to make this decision. I think people don't think he really has the status of a KD/Lebron type to drag it out this long. Even KD's decision came earlier than this one by about 5 hours so far on the fourth day.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pat Riley is the one who leaked this , to cause this mess
Can concur. Several agents have said this to me
Fellow NBA free agents are annoyed by this Gordon Hayward mess. They've been waiting on the GH domino to fall, and now it's being drawn out.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.
https://twitter.com/tribjazz?lang=enQuoteCan concur. Several agents have said this to meQuoteFellow NBA free agents are annoyed by this Gordon Hayward mess. They've been waiting on the GH domino to fall, and now it's being drawn out.
Yeah, now the Jazz's most reliable reporter is even corroborating Kennedy's report about other agents, players, and teams getting frustrated about this whole Hayward situation.
Nah I disagree the longer he waits the more plausible he can make it seem that he really hadn't made a decision. If he had made a non-Boston decision he would have extinguished all these flames by simply informing the teams of his actual choice on his original timeline and all these Boston reports would be revealed as BS. Only reason to drag it out is if a) he's chosen Boston and needs to put on a show so he can "tell Utah first" or b) he really hasn't made a decision which I don't believe for a second.The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.
The breaking news was out ....and Hayward could have just said nothing and went with it (true to his ultimate decision)
But now that he and his agent said it was a false alarm .... I'm not sure if the Celtics is his choice anymore
My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...No offense, but if that is what changes his mind, lordy, maybe he isn't cut out for this town.
The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...
What do you mean "this long"? He met with the Jazz yesterday. I don't even think it's been a full day since that meeting ended.I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
There's already been reliable reports that other free agents, agents, and teams are frustrated with this stalling by the Hayward camp.
But he's had 4 days now to make this decision. I think people don't think he really has the status of a KD/Lebron type to drag it out this long. Even KD's decision came earlier than this one by about 5 hours so far on the fourth day.
My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...If he's that mentally weak(he's not) I don't want him.
The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.
Agreed. If he's really not resigning in Utah then's he's ripping their hearts out, giving them a glimmer of hope, just to rip out their hearts again. That's brutal and unnecessary. The only way this salvages his rep is if he stays.
Now, I'm not saying that's what I think is happening. But I don't understand the thought process that walking it back and trying to save the announcement to do on his own terms is logical or a good PR move.
Is there any chance GH told Boston he was signing with them and Ainge asked him to keep it quite for a few hours or a day to work out the best possible trade. Then it leaks out from GH's camp and they are trying to delay it so the C's have leverage.
What do you mean "this long"? He met with the Jazz yesterday. I don't even think it's been a full day since that meeting ended.I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
There's already been reliable reports that other free agents, agents, and teams are frustrated with this stalling by the Hayward camp.
But he's had 4 days now to make this decision. I think people don't think he really has the status of a KD/Lebron type to drag it out this long. Even KD's decision came earlier than this one by about 5 hours so far on the fourth day.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.
Agreed. If he's really not resigning in Utah then's he's ripping their hearts out, giving them a glimmer of hope, just to rip out their hearts again. That's brutal and unnecessary. The only way this salvages his rep is if he stays.
Now, I'm not saying that's what I think is happening. But I don't understand the thought process that walking it back and trying to save the announcement to do on his own terms is logical or a good PR move.
I think after the LeBron "Decision" fiasco - and the ugliness that followed it - free agents are very careful about how they handle these things.
It's gotta be hard breaking news to a fanbase/organization who you've gotten so close to. Nowadays you see so many guys taking out full-page ads in the local newspapers etc to say thanks. Most of them probably want to soften the blow if they can by whatever means necessary.
So I can see how this could be a really difficult situation for Hayward if he is indeed leaving Utah.
We don't know this yet. All we know is that his camp is not handling the media Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. storm particularly well so far.My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...If he's that mentally weak(he's not) I don't want him.
The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...
My fear is that he was originally gonna sign with Boston but didnt have time to tell Utah. Now the news pre-maturely got out before he could tell it his way, that he decides to go back to Utah cause he made a split decision he was gonna feel bad for and now he wont infact sign with Boston. Im really upset cause We almost had him but some dumby had to ruin it for us...
The all-star that ALMOST signed... rediculous n it makes me hate social media...
Can the Celtics put a deadline on this?
You have one hour to choose for us and if you don't, that opportunity vanishes and we take our business elsewhere. Take it or leave it.
Any word on when a decision will be made
may not be until tomorrow
starting to feel like the DeAndre decision :(, is the Jazz FO locking Hayward up like Doc and CP3 locking DeAndre up in a hotel? :(
When asked about a timetable as to when the 27-year-old All-Star would make a decision, Bartelstein said there is no definitive timeline at this moment. As far as the reports about his client agreeing to come to Boston, Bartelstein said it was something that clearly bothered Hayward. “He’s upset someone would report that,” Bartelstein said. “He’s trying to re-evaluate everything.” – via CSNNE.com
https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/882337379763208192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Futah-jazzThis is ridiculous especially after the leaks makes it even worse. He would have let it be decided once it was out that he's going to the Celtics. This all points to him going back to Utah imoQuoteAny word on when a decision will be madeQuotemay not be until tomorrow
Ugh, that would be absolutely terrible if he drags this thing out until tomorrow.
Haywards not coming. He's being to hesitant. If he was serious enough to sign with Boston it would of already happened. Cant go buy promises on the phone. He gets upset cause facts come out before he wants them to now he's gonna back pedal and feel bad cause Utah went n got him Rubio. He feels guilty and now he's definitely changes his mind. His heart wasnt with Boston all the way. He made a decision n backed out. Hes going back to Utah.
I say start Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum next to Isaiah, Bradley n Horford. If that dont work out we got 3 nice picks next year. This Hayward guy came half heartedly. Not sure if it was a go to begin with...
starting to feel like the DeAndre decision :(, is the Jazz FO locking Hayward up like Doc and CP3 locking DeAndre up in a hotel? :(
Where's Dan Aykroyd when you need him?!?
Incidentally, I got this pic off a Jazz fan site lol
(http://saltcityhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/600full-celtic-pride-poster.jpg)
Is there any chance GH told Boston he was signing with them and Ainge asked him to keep it quite for a few hours or a day to work out the best possible trade. Then it leaks out from GH's camp and they are trying to delay it so the C's have leverage.
The term "re-evaluate" really bothers me. Why use that word? If he hadn't made up his mind as the agent claims, it should be "evaluate," not "re-evaluate." That makes it sound like he is upset the Celtics leaked something prematurely.
The frustration is still directed at him and he has the ability to stem it.Yeah, it's frustrating for us but if it's information Hayward doesn't want public yet, that frustration isn't on him its on the reporters who are putting this stuff out there.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
Not his fault but he knows that the longer he drags this out the worse it is for his image and reputation.
Agreed. If he's really not resigning in Utah then's he's ripping their hearts out, giving them a glimmer of hope, just to rip out their hearts again. That's brutal and unnecessary. The only way this salvages his rep is if he stays.
Now, I'm not saying that's what I think is happening. But I don't understand the thought process that walking it back and trying to save the announcement to do on his own terms is logical or a good PR move.
I think after the LeBron "Decision" fiasco - and the ugliness that followed it - free agents are very careful about how they handle these things.
It's gotta be hard breaking news to a fanbase/organization who you've gotten so close to. Nowadays you see so many guys taking out full-page ads in the local newspapers etc to say thanks. Most of them probably want to soften the blow if they can by whatever means necessary.
So I can see how this could be a really difficult situation for Hayward if he is indeed leaving Utah.
I get that. But how does him denying reports that he's leaving only to announce the same news tomorrow soften the blow for Utah fans?
It sucks his intended announcement was scooped, but this is not how to get out in front of it.
The only thing disappointing is humans in general.Sick.
Assuming, predicting, and now bashing.
I really have come to terms with being a misanthropist.
99% of the things said in here and other forums like Realgm would never be said to ones face or he would either look at you like you are an idiot or deck you in the face.
Instead of leaving this alone, people want to speculate, some are worse than the scum reporters that initially broke this news.
The only thing disappointing is humans in general.
Assuming, predicting, and now bashing.
I really have come to terms with being a misanthropist.
99% of the things said in here and other forums like Realgm would never be said to ones face or he would either look at you like you are an idiot or deck you in the face.
Instead of leaving this alone, people want to speculate, some are worse than the scum reporters that initially broke this news.
Really looking bad for now. Could be Hayward is just waiting for things to settle down a bit then announce. Just to make it look like he really hadn't made a decision, when he obviously had.
I'd say he's going back to Utah at this point..
The term "re-evaluate" really bothers me. Why use that word? If he hadn't made up his mind as the agent claims, it should be "evaluate," not "re-evaluate." That makes it sound like he is upset the Celtics leaked something prematurely.
starting to feel like the DeAndre decision :(, is the Jazz FO locking Hayward up like Doc and CP3 locking DeAndre up in a hotel? :(
Where's Dan Aykroyd when you need him?!?
Incidentally, I got this pic off a Jazz fan site lol
(http://saltcityhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/600full-celtic-pride-poster.jpg)
ha, i got this pic of celticslife
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UQlV5VSMMHk/WVl5OGwjiMI/AAAAAAAAXUg/OUoYEzPoi9sKDKfbxD57edKomkffCCqKQCK4BGAYYCw/s1600/DDmYFn2XcAAKP5z.jpg)
Sounds to me like he was preparing to take the Celtics offer but the Jazz reached out and said something to change his mind at the last second - in other words, journalists had the right scoop but Hayward reneged right as they were announcing it, precipitating this whole mess.If you've talked yourself into that fairy tale I can't help you.
I'm trying to be optimistic, but unfortunately I think he's staying in Utah. Jazz got him to change his mind, and now he's just trying to figure out how not to be the bad guy who publicly back out on the Celts.
The only thing disappointing is humans in general.
Assuming, predicting, and now bashing.
I really have come to terms with being a misanthropist.
99% of the things said in here and other forums like Realgm would never be said to ones face or he would either look at you like you are an idiot or deck you in the face.
Instead of leaving this alone, people want to speculate, some are worse than the scum reporters that initially broke this news.
The term "re-evaluate" really bothers me. Why use that word? If he hadn't made up his mind as the agent claims, it should be "evaluate," not "re-evaluate." That makes it sound like he is upset the Celtics leaked something prematurely.
Problem is, it wasnt the Celtics who leaked this, it had to come from his camp. Celtics deny any conversation with him. He simply made a decision infront of his own people and someone shot a bullet.
Just start the new guys n get them going already. Im done with talking about a man who goes back on his word. Gordon, just stay with Utah. We will own the NBA in 3-4 years dont worry
Respected reporters like Lowe Haynes and Amick all being wrong would be unprecedented wouldn't it?
Yes. We're talking about some of the most reliable names in the business in Lowe, Mannix, and Amick.
Haynes was the 1st to post it on twitter.... so these guys prob all followed him
Haynes (his fault or not) has messed up espns credibility right now
The term "re-evaluate" really bothers me. Why use that word? If he hadn't made up his mind as the agent claims, it should be "evaluate," not "re-evaluate." That makes it sound like he is upset the Celtics leaked something prematurely.
Problem is, it wasnt the Celtics who leaked this, it had to come from his camp. Celtics deny any conversation with him. He simply made a decision infront of his own people and someone shot a bullet.
Just start the new guys n get them going already. Im done with talking about a man who goes back on his word. Gordon, just stay with Utah. We will own the NBA in 3-4 years dont worry
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Sounds to me like he was preparing to take the Celtics offer but the Jazz reached out and said something to change his mind at the last second - in other words, journalists had the right scoop but Hayward reneged right as they were announcing it, precipitating this whole mess.If you've talked yourself into that fairy tale I can't help you.
I'm trying to be optimistic, but unfortunately I think he's staying in Utah. Jazz got him to change his mind, and now he's just trying to figure out how not to be the bad guy who publicly back out on the Celts.
So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
Looks impossibile to me
This makes no sense. The meetings were meant to help him decide which team to choose and the meetings ended less than a day ago. Even if we don't hear until tomorrow, taking 2 days to decide where you're going to live for the next 4 years of your life is totally reasonable.What do you mean "this long"? He met with the Jazz yesterday. I don't even think it's been a full day since that meeting ended.I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:QuoteGordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.
Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.
It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.
I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.
EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
There's already been reliable reports that other free agents, agents, and teams are frustrated with this stalling by the Hayward camp.
But he's had 4 days now to make this decision. I think people don't think he really has the status of a KD/Lebron type to drag it out this long. Even KD's decision came earlier than this one by about 5 hours so far on the fourth day.
It's been four days since free agency started, and he's known for weeks which teams he'd be meeting with, let alone the months or years that he's known he'd opt out.
Like I said, KD met with several more teams and even had two meetings with OKC, yet he decided more quickly than Hayward being a much bigger overall star.
I just think that Hayward's overall status in the league is playing a part in this. Yes, he's an All-Star and great player, but he's not a KD or Lebron. I doubt they'd be receiving the same amount of scrutiny as Hayward is right now for holding up free agency.
So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
Looks impossibile to me
Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for BostonIt's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.
So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
Looks impossibile to me
Well, when the alternative is that Hayward is coming to Boston (as was reported), then everything else sounds bad.Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for BostonIt's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.
I'm ready to move on
Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for BostonIt's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.
I'm ready to move on
Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for BostonIt's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.
I'm ready to move on
So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
Looks impossibile to me
They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message
So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
Looks impossibile to me
They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message
Seem a very important point to me.
It is clear that the decision was made... the question is: who leaked?
Celtics FO? We have a problem. We may have lost GH
Gh's agent? HE has a problem
Celtics FO & GH's agent? They'll find a way to resolve
Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.Actually this (not Brown or Nets pick) is the only thing that makes sense enough to get everything righ.t . Cs were chosen. Utah made a last ditch effort to salvage something by offering an S&T... word gets out it's going Boston's way as the S&T gets some life from Boston's side. This delays the process as the negotiation plays out. Hope this is what's happened.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.
So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
Looks impossibile to me
They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message
Seem a very important point to me.
It is clear that the decision was made... the question is: who leaked?
Celtics FO? We have a problem. We may have lost GH
Gh's agent? HE has a problem
Celtics FO & GH's agent? They'll find a way to resolve
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Again....Sign and trade is about the only thing that makes sense
Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.Actually this (not Brown or Nets pick) is the only thing that makes sense enough to get everything righ.t . Cs were chosen. Utah made a last ditch effort to salvage something by offering an S&T... word gets out it's going Boston's way as the S&T gets some life from Boston's side. This delays the process as the negotiation plays out. Hope this is what's happened.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.
Again....Sign and trade is about the only thing that makes sense
Again....Sign and trade is about the only thing that makes sense
Utah FO already said they know nothing from GH. How do you arrange a s&t with a team not informed about?
It's been over 3 hours and radio silence... I'm officially scared.
Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.Actually this (not Brown or Nets pick) is the only thing that makes sense enough to get everything righ.t . Cs were chosen. Utah made a last ditch effort to salvage something by offering an S&T... word gets out it's going Boston's way as the S&T gets some life from Boston's side. This delays the process as the negotiation plays out. Hope this is what's happened.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.
I mean, we do need a power forward, and they have had Favors on the market before. I like his fit here.
Would there be some advantage by doing those deals together rather than separately?
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Why do you have cltc in your username? You aren't a celtic at all. You have been just spreading fake news and irritating people from the beginning. What is your problem man?
aingeSome of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Why do you have cltc in your username? You aren't a celtic at all. You have been just spreading fake news and irritating people from the beginning. What is your problem man?
I'm more of a Celtic than you know buddy ;)
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Why do you have cltc in your username? You aren't a celtic at all. You have been just spreading fake news and irritating people from the beginning. What is your problem man?
I'm more of a Celtic than you know buddy ;)
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Why do you have cltc in your username? You aren't a celtic at all. You have been just spreading fake news and irritating people from the beginning. What is your problem man?
I'm more of a Celtic than you know buddy ;)
Some of you are acting like self entitled babies. Go get a hobby.
Why do you have cltc in your username? You aren't a celtic at all. You have been just spreading fake news and irritating people from the beginning. What is your problem man?
I'm more of a Celtic than you know buddy ;)
No...You are a troll
What would be the benefit of a sign and trade for Hayward? Renegotiating IT? Because there aren't exactly any quality players left to use that extra money we would save.
What would be the benefit of a sign and trade for Hayward? Renegotiating IT? Because there aren't exactly any quality players left to use that extra money we would save.
We could use any extra money to fill out the roster after we get rid of the players we need to move in order to sign Hayward. We can't just fill out the roster with our second round draft picks and hope to compete.
What would be the benefit of a sign and trade for Hayward? Renegotiating IT? Because there aren't exactly any quality players left to use that extra money we would save.
We could use any extra money to fill out the roster after we get rid of the players we need to move in order to sign Hayward. We can't just fill out the roster with our second round draft picks and hope to compete.
Resign KO?
Yeah I'm starting to get a feeling we won't find out by tomorrow.
Sigh.
What would be the benefit of a sign and trade for Hayward? Renegotiating IT? Because there aren't exactly any quality players left to use that extra money we would save.
What would be the benefit of a sign and trade for Hayward? Renegotiating IT? Because there aren't exactly any quality players left to use that extra money we would save.
We could use any extra money to fill out the roster after we get rid of the players we need to move in order to sign Hayward. We can't just fill out the roster with our second round draft picks and hope to compete.
Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.Actually this (not Brown or Nets pick) is the only thing that makes sense enough to get everything righ.t . Cs were chosen. Utah made a last ditch effort to salvage something by offering an S&T... word gets out it's going Boston's way as the S&T gets some life from Boston's side. This delays the process as the negotiation plays out. Hope this is what's happened.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.
I mean, we do need a power forward, and they have had Favors on the market before. I like his fit here.
Would there be some advantage by doing those deals together rather than separately?
Well, Crowder and AB combined make $3.5M more than Favors next year...so there is that. If we wanted Favors and waited to make the deal until after signing Hayward, we wouldn't be able to sign him to the full max.
Still, Favors only has one year remaining on his contract - there have to be better options out there than an expiring for AB/Crowder/picks.
What would be the benefit of a sign and trade for Hayward? Renegotiating IT? Because there aren't exactly any quality players left to use that extra money we would save.
We could use any extra money to fill out the roster after we get rid of the players we need to move in order to sign Hayward. We can't just fill out the roster with our second round draft picks and hope to compete.
I get the general concept. But if the sign and trade involved Crowder or Bradley, if rather keep them while clearing just enough of our crappy players to sign Hayward. Then we could trade Crowder or Bradley or both for a little help at PF. That is unless we are sign and trading for Jam Green.
The free agent pfs out there are underwhelming to me.
Yeah I'm starting to get a feeling we won't find out by tomorrow.
Sigh.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
Wojo again saying he is torn and that him leaving would be very hard. Not much about boston
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
Quick update for a TP ?
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
Wojo did say Miami was eliminated last night
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
This is completely reasonable and may be happening right now. I mean, why shouldn't Utah try to salvage something? From the Boston perspective, they have to shed salary anyway (one or more of Rozier, Crowder, AB) so it could work out for both teams. In this scenario, the hangup is that Utah likely also wants GOOD assets like Brown, Tatum or picks, none of which are on the table for Boston. This theory is consistent with Hayward having made up his mind to go to Boston (which I still believe) and also explains why 4 hours have passed.Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.Actually this (not Brown or Nets pick) is the only thing that makes sense enough to get everything righ.t . Cs were chosen. Utah made a last ditch effort to salvage something by offering an S&T... word gets out it's going Boston's way as the S&T gets some life from Boston's side. This delays the process as the negotiation plays out. Hope this is what's happened.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.
would it really take this long to say "I am returning to Utah"?It may be as simple, and for me disturbing, as he simply cannot decide between Utah and Boston.
http://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/882363547069501442
Ramona talking like it's a done deal already.
http://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/882363547069501442
Ramona talking like it's a done deal already.
Utah needs to tank away ...with hot shooting Ricky leading them to a top 3 lottery pick. ;)
It's been over 3 hours and radio silence... I'm officially scared.
Sorry, I refuse to believe that. He has known for months what his options were. He has obviously talked to his wife and other close family members. The meetings were meant to be the final pitch by all three teams but there would not really be much new information shared, only a matter of emphasis on certain points. Furthermore, his agent said he would decide fairly quickly and qualified it by saying Tuesday or Wednesday. Now, you can make the argument that Hayward is still on that timeline and the leak has simply complicated matters.would it really take this long to say "I am returning to Utah"?It may be as simple, and for me disturbing, as he simply cannot decide between Utah and Boston.
If a decision had already been made by Hayward, then taking charge of the story should not be that hard. It would be a matter of contacting people, putting out announcements, etc. any credible agent would have sorted things out by now.
Or, he may be flip flopping on his decision.
Who the hell knows at this juncture.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
Yes they have it has said "Agent"No Call Yet" for hours.
You know what... The more I think about it...the more a sign and trade could be in order
Hayward says sorry Jazz I will choose Boston but lets workout a sign and trade. Help you guys out
To Jazz: Crowder, AB, KO (sign and trade)
To Celtics: Hayward (sign and trade), Tony Bradley
Good?
Tony Bradley
Horford
Hayward
Smart
AB
Zizic/Yabu
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Celts would need to sign a FA to come off the bench
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
Yes they have it has said "Agent"No Call Yet" for hours.
Actually, they haven't taken the story down or retracted it. They did add that his agent is saying he hasn't decided. That is like reporting that a guy murdered someone and later adding his lawyer says he is innocent. I think they are sticking by their story and reporting what the agent is saying. Both can be true.
So as the local Celtics affiliate/flagship, can't CSN find a couple of high-energy hot-shot media guys to run down to the station and host a live broadcast to update Celtics Nation about what is happening, what is speculated, what nuanced possibilities abound, in this saga. To Boston Celtics fans, this is the news equivalent of a lunar landing (OK, but you get my point). There should be coverage, speculation and reporters actively on top of this situation. Instead, CSN is running (for the 8th time) the Draft Lottery. For crying out loud, there has to be a Boston host who would love to be broadcasting this right now.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
Yes they have it has said "Agent"No Call Yet" for hours.
Actually, they haven't taken the story down or retracted it. They did add that his agent is saying he hasn't decided. That is like reporting that a guy murdered someone and later adding his lawyer says he is innocent. I think they are sticking by their story and reporting what the agent is saying. Both can be true.
I guess it's just a contradiction on their "Headline"
"Sources: Hayward to Celts; Agent: No call yet
Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Celtics, sources tell ESPN's Chris Haynes. But Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that no decision has been made."
So as the local Celtics affiliate/flagship, can't CSN find a couple of high-energy hot-shot media guys to run down to the station and host a live broadcast to update Celtics Nation about what is happening, what is speculated, what nuanced possibilities abound, in this saga. To Boston Celtics fans, this is the news equivalent of a lunar landing (OK, but you get my point). There should be coverage, speculation and reporters actively on top of this situation. Instead, CSN is running (for the 8th time) the Draft Lottery. For crying out loud, there has to be a Boston host who would love to be broadcasting this right now.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
Yes they have it has said "Agent"No Call Yet" for hours.
Actually, they haven't taken the story down or retracted it. They did add that his agent is saying he hasn't decided. That is like reporting that a guy murdered someone and later adding his lawyer says he is innocent. I think they are sticking by their story and reporting what the agent is saying. Both can be true.
I guess it's just a contradiction on their "Headline"
"Sources: Hayward to Celts; Agent: No call yet
Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Celtics, sources tell ESPN's Chris Haynes. But Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that no decision has been made."
I see how you could think it is a contradiction but it isn't. They are basically saying, the agent is lying but we need to add this to our report.
However, their sources could be wrong and the agent lying too. ANYTHING IS POSSSSIIBBBBBLEEE!
You know what... The more I think about it...the more a sign and trade could be in order
Hayward says sorry Jazz I will choose Boston but lets workout a sign and trade. Help you guys out
To Jazz: Crowder, AB, KO (sign and trade)
To Celtics: Hayward (sign and trade), Tony Bradley
Good?
Tony Bradley
Horford
Hayward
Smart
AB
Zizic/Yabu
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Celts would need to sign a FA to come off the bench
I forgot all about Utah liking KO previously, too. A sign and trade would actually make a ton of sense for both sides at this point.
Can anyone answer the question I had earlier about whether or not you can attach other contracts to a sign and trade deal?
For example, could something like this go down:
Boston: Hayward S&T, Favors
Utah: KO S&T, Crowder, and Bradley
That deal would actually be great for both sides rather than Utah losing him for nothing.
ESPN reporting Hawyard to Celtics... Welcome to Boston Gordon Hayward!!!
someone confirm.
Trolling confirmed...
to be fair to him, ESPN has never taken down the original story that says Hayward to boston.
Yes they have it has said "Agent"No Call Yet" for hours.
Actually, they haven't taken the story down or retracted it. They did add that his agent is saying he hasn't decided. That is like reporting that a guy murdered someone and later adding his lawyer says he is innocent. I think they are sticking by their story and reporting what the agent is saying. Both can be true.
I guess it's just a contradiction on their "Headline"
"Sources: Hayward to Celts; Agent: No call yet
Gordon Hayward plans to sign with the Celtics, sources tell ESPN's Chris Haynes. But Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that no decision has been made."
So as the local Celtics affiliate/flagship, can't CSN find a couple of high-energy hot-shot media guys to run down to the station and host a live broadcast to update Celtics Nation about what is happening, what is speculated, what nuanced possibilities abound, in this saga. To Boston Celtics fans, this is the news equivalent of a lunar landing (OK, but you get my point). There should be coverage, speculation and reporters actively on top of this situation. Instead, CSN is running (for the 8th time) the Draft Lottery. For crying out loud, there has to be a Boston host who would love to be broadcasting this right now.When the leak broke, I ran down to the man-cave and flipped on NBA TV which had some information, but when I went over to CSN they were running the Felger & Mazz show all afternoon. I mean, really? This kind of breaking news required a Special Celtics-Live talk show.
You know what... The more I think about it...the more a sign and trade could be in order
Hayward says sorry Jazz I will choose Boston but lets workout a sign and trade. Help you guys out
To Jazz: Crowder, AB, KO (sign and trade)
To Celtics: Hayward (sign and trade), Tony Bradley
Good?
Tony Bradley
Horford
Hayward
Smart
AB
Zizic/Yabu
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Celts would need to sign a FA to come off the bench
So as the local Celtics affiliate/flagship, can't CSN find a couple of high-energy hot-shot media guys to run down to the station and host a live broadcast to update Celtics Nation about what is happening, what is speculated, what nuanced possibilities abound, in this saga. To Boston Celtics fans, this is the news equivalent of a lunar landing (OK, but you get my point). There should be coverage, speculation and reporters actively on top of this situation. Instead, CSN is running (for the 8th time) the Draft Lottery. For crying out loud, there has to be a Boston host who would love to be broadcasting this right now.
Yeah it is pretty strange. They should be all over this. Major journalistic fail.
You know what... The more I think about it...the more a sign and trade could be in order
Hayward says sorry Jazz I will choose Boston but lets workout a sign and trade. Help you guys out
To Jazz: Crowder, AB, KO (sign and trade)
To Celtics: Hayward (sign and trade), Tony Bradley
Good?
Tony Bradley
Horford
Hayward
Smart
AB
Zizic/Yabu
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Celts would need to sign a FA to come off the bench
Ingles? I mean we need a big, but he would make sense too to bring Hayward to Boston and make their wives happy. And it would give a vet off the bench which Boston is going to need.
Not sure how long it takes to tell somebody yes and no.
I've already prepared myself for the "oops we spoke too soon. He's staying in Utah" message
Tatum seems ready to play anyways
Hayward has the NBA and fans hostage right now
Hurry up Gordon!
At this point, flip a coin!
The Jazz will remain in contact tonight with the Hayward camp, I'm told. But are giving space to Hayward himself.
Hayward has the NBA and fans hostage right now
Hurry up Gordon!
At this point, flip a coin!
screw him..... ;D....i went ahead and filled up on pork shoulder BQ and Beer .......Im good no matter what .
The Jazz will remain in contact tonight with the Hayward camp, I'm told. But are giving space to Hayward himself.
Hayward has the NBA and fans hostage right now
Hurry up Gordon!
At this point, flip a coin!
screw him..... ;D....i went ahead and filled up on pork shoulder BQ and Beer .......Im good no matter what .
Hayward has the NBA and fans hostage right now
Hurry up Gordon!
At this point, flip a coin!
screw him..... ;D....i went ahead and filled up on pork shoulder BQ and Beer .......Im good no matter what .
Shaqattack why didnt you invite me :( bc...
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You know what... The more I think about it...the more a sign and trade could be in order
Hayward says sorry Jazz I will choose Boston but lets workout a sign and trade. Help you guys out
To Jazz: Crowder, AB, KO (sign and trade)
To Celtics: Hayward (sign and trade), Tony Bradley
Good?
Tony Bradley
Horford
Hayward
Smart
AB
Zizic/Yabu
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Celts would need to sign a FA to come off the bench
I forgot all about Utah liking KO previously, too. A sign and trade would actually make a ton of sense for both sides at this point.
Can anyone answer the question I had earlier about whether or not you can attach other contracts to a sign and trade deal?
For example, could something like this go down:
Boston: Hayward S&T, Favors
Utah: KO S&T, Crowder, and Bradley
That deal would actually be great for both sides rather than Utah losing him for nothing.
I hope someone can answer also
This way Hayward can make his 5 years max max.... Danny doesnt need to make another transaction or two, to trade Crowder etc
Im not a huge fan of Favors.. lazy player
Tony Bradley is a nice looking young talent. Brings a mature game for his age
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.What's that mean? Not able to man up and let Utah down?
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
First, sign and trades are limited to 3 or 4 year contracts only and the raises are limited to 4.5 %.You know what... The more I think about it...the more a sign and trade could be in order
Hayward says sorry Jazz I will choose Boston but lets workout a sign and trade. Help you guys out
To Jazz: Crowder, AB, KO (sign and trade)
To Celtics: Hayward (sign and trade), Tony Bradley
Good?
Tony Bradley
Horford
Hayward
Smart
AB
Zizic/Yabu
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Celts would need to sign a FA to come off the bench
I forgot all about Utah liking KO previously, too. A sign and trade would actually make a ton of sense for both sides at this point.
Can anyone answer the question I had earlier about whether or not you can attach other contracts to a sign and trade deal?
For example, could something like this go down:
Boston: Hayward S&T, Favors
Utah: KO S&T, Crowder, and Bradley
That deal would actually be great for both sides rather than Utah losing him for nothing.
I hope someone can answer also
This way Hayward can make his 5 years max max.... Danny doesnt need to make another transaction or two, to trade Crowder etc
Im not a huge fan of Favors.. lazy player
Tony Bradley is a nice looking young talent. Brings a mature game for his age
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.where he say did that? Espn has baseball and twitter has nothing
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.What's that mean? Not able to man up and let Utah down?
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Let him be stuck in mediocrity forever
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.Its 4th of July. How about we let the guy celebrate the holiday with his family doing family things like having a party or barbeque and then taking their kids to see fireworks. Geesh guys, Hayward is more than just a basketball player. He is human and does regular people stuff too.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Feels like they are working on a S+T for crowder, opening up 6 mil in cap space.
Is this possible?
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.The longer the delay the more likely it's Boston in my opinion.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
So as the local Celtics affiliate/flagship, can't CSN find a couple of high-energy hot-shot media guys to run down to the station and host a live broadcast to update Celtics Nation about what is happening, what is speculated, what nuanced possibilities abound, in this saga. To Boston Celtics fans, this is the news equivalent of a lunar landing (OK, but you get my point). There should be coverage, speculation and reporters actively on top of this situation. Instead, CSN is running (for the 8th time) the Draft Lottery. For crying out loud, there has to be a Boston host who would love to be broadcasting this right now.
Yeah it is pretty strange. They should be all over this. Major journalistic fail.
I agree that coverage would be nice and they should have been prepared for big news today, but it's not as easy as you make it seem. There's a lot more to producing a live television show than putting a few jamokes in front of a camera and pressing record. The first, and probably toughest, hurdle would be union provisions for behind the scenes guys (cameramen, etc).
Feels like they are working on a S+T for crowder, opening up 6 mil in cap space.
Is this possible?
it sounds like us celtics fans are now grasping for straws for this delay! BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.Its 4th of July. How about we let the guy celebrate the holiday with his family doing family things like having a party or barbeque and then taking their kids to see fireworks. Geesh guys, Hayward is more than just a basketball player. He is human and does regular people stuff too.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.The longer the delay the more likely it's Boston in my opinion.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
My working theory is that he's waiting till tomorrow so he has some plausible deniability on the leak. He can claim he really hadn't made up his mind.
If it leaked and he then announced he was going to Boston an hour later it's obvious the leak was legit and he really let it leak without telling Utah. If he was going Utah or Miami he would have announced it today as planned and the announcement would have completely negated the leaks.
So either he's going Boston or really hasn't decided.
I don't believe he hasn't decided because if he hadn't decided this leak really wouldn't have changed anything. He wouldn't need to postpone his decision a day because bad info got leaked. That makes no sense.
Maybe I'm just tryna convince myself we are getting Hayward but this seems to make the most sense to me. Plus Woj is reporting Miami is out and how many free agents do this song and dance and then return home? Not many. Hayward to Boston
Please?
Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.Its 4th of July. How about we let the guy celebrate the holiday with his family doing family things like having a party or barbeque and then taking their kids to see fireworks. Geesh guys, Hayward is more than just a basketball player. He is human and does regular people stuff too.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Yeah, at this point he's obviously making the decision tomorrow.
Feels like they are working on a S+T for crowder, opening up 6 mil in cap space.
Is this possible?
it sounds like us celtics fans are now grasping for straws for this delay! BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Agreed.
I think he's staying in Utah too
Yeah, at this point he's obviously making the decision tomorrow.
You have to remember they're several hours behind us, too. It's 5:30 in Utah and 4:30 in Cali. There's still plenty of time for him to make his decision today.
Wojo did say Miami was eliminated last night
in addition, he (or Bartlestein) set the timeline as 'Tuesday or Wednesday'. It's not like they didn't know it was 4th of July. No, this is damage control right now. He can say he's still on the original timeline, while giving the impression that he gave Utah one last chance.Wojo just said Hayward has gone dark.Its 4th of July. How about we let the guy celebrate the holiday with his family doing family things like having a party or barbeque and then taking their kids to see fireworks. Geesh guys, Hayward is more than just a basketball player. He is human and does regular people stuff too.
I am telling you he will stay in Utah.
Come on, Nick. Almost any other day this summer he can do regular people stuff with his family. Also, people who make over $30M/yr don't always get to have a 'regular' lifestyle.
Whatever is happening, I hope we find out soon. This is pretty lame.
Sounds like Hayward wanted it announced a certain way...It got leaked and now he is selling the drama.
Sounds like Hayward wanted it announced a certain way...It got leaked and now he is selling the drama.
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THIS JUST IN: Gordon Hayward has made the decision to join Pete Gas, Rodney and Joey Abs in the Mean Street Posse. Very last minute choice.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD7aU9IU0AAZ6Z5.jpg
he is getting ridiculed on Twitter. This is a circus.
Done deal: https://theplayerstribune.com/gordon-hayward-decision-free-agency-nba/really? really? really? really? really? really?
What’s crazy is — before I even had a chance to make my decision, before I had a chance to sit down and write this, and before I even had a chance to talk about it with the people I love — I was already reading reports about where I was going. And I guess that’s just the way things work, in 2017. But I’m sorry it had to work out like that.
So as the local Celtics affiliate/flagship, can't CSN find a couple of high-energy hot-shot media guys to run down to the station and host a live broadcast to update Celtics Nation about what is happening, what is speculated, what nuanced possibilities abound, in this saga. To Boston Celtics fans, this is the news equivalent of a lunar landing (OK, but you get my point). There should be coverage, speculation and reporters actively on top of this situation. Instead, CSN is running (for the 8th time) the Draft Lottery. For crying out loud, there has to be a Boston host who would love to be broadcasting this right now.
Yeah it is pretty strange. They should be all over this. Major journalistic fail.
I agree that coverage would be nice and they should have been prepared for big news today, but it's not as easy as you make it seem. There's a lot more to producing a live television show than putting a few jamokes in front of a camera and pressing record. The first, and probably toughest, hurdle would be union provisions for behind the scenes guys (cameramen, etc).
I bet they could have done it.
WOOO HOOOO!!!Sure glad I decided to not go see real fireworks, these are better!!
FIREWORKS FOR REAL!!
Yeah, at this point he's obviously making the decision tomorrow.
You have to remember they're several hours behind us, too. It's 5:30 in Utah and 4:30 in Cali. There's still plenty of time for him to make his decision today.
LOVE your positive attitude @jpotter33, and I'm staying optimistic too!
But no, I refuse to ruin the rest of my night doing this :P
Just went swimming in my downstairs apartment for 1.5 hours and I enjoyed it, and luckily, we still have a chance at landing him LOL.
HE POSTED IT ON THE PLAYER TRIBUNE.
HAYWARD TO BOSTON!
Blakely reported that an NBA source is saying the agreement is 4Yrs 127.8 deal.. with 4 year a player option...
http://bit.ly/2tGlmcK
Blakey is also reporting that no decision has been made. I'm guessing he wants to be able to say he was right no matter what happens. Blakely has zero credibility.
Yeah, at this point he's obviously making the decision tomorrow.
You have to remember they're several hours behind us, too. It's 5:30 in Utah and 4:30 in Cali. There's still plenty of time for him to make his decision today.
LOVE your positive attitude @jpotter33, and I'm staying optimistic too!
But no, I refuse to ruin the rest of my night doing this :P
Just went swimming in my downstairs apartment for 1.5 hours and I enjoyed it, and luckily, we still have a chance at landing him LOL.
And that unfinished business we had together, back in 2010, when I left Butler for the NBA … as far as I’m concerned, all of these years later, we still have it:
And that’s to win a championship.
It was such a tough decision. But there was one person who I knew I could talk to about it from every angle, who I knew would give me the smartest and most honest perspective available: Coach Stevens.
Coach Stevens was so great about it, all of it. He helped me lay out my options, and talked it through from both sides … but in the end, when I needed it, he also gave me my space. And he also let me know that it was my choice to make — and that he would be there for me, on the other side of it, either way. And of course I ended up deciding to leave: I declared for the draft, and got drafted, and started my new NBA life in Utah. But it always meant a lot to me, to know how, in that moment, even with our lives at this strange crossroads together, Coach Stevens was someone I could count on.
And I guess it’s pretty crazy. Because seven years later, I had to make an even tougher decision — and again, Coach Stevens and I found ourselves at a crossroads together. And again, he was the person I knew I could count on the most.
And now I’ve decided to sign with the Boston Celtics.
There were so many great things pulling me in that direction. There was the winning culture of Boston, as a city — from the Sox, to the Pats, to the Bruins. There was the special history of the Celtics, as a franchise — from Russell, to Bird, to Pierce, and it goes on. There was the amazing potential of this current Celtics roster, as a team — from ownership, to the front office, to a talented roster with Isaiah, and Al, and everyone else. And of course, there was Coach Stevens: Not just for the relationship that we’ve built off the court — but also for the one that we started building on the court, all of those years ago, in Indiana.
QuoteAnd that unfinished business we had together, back in 2010, when I left Butler for the NBA … as far as I’m concerned, all of these years later, we still have it:
And that’s to win a championship.
Ending of the article. ;D
What’s crazy is — before I even had a chance to make my decision, before I had a chance to sit down and write this, and before I even had a chance to talk about it with the people I love — I was already reading reports about where I was going. And I guess that’s just the way things work, in 2017. But I’m sorry it had to work out like that.
This was a life-changing decision for me and my family, and something we took really seriously. And from the very start of this process, one thing stood out as important: I knew that I wanted the fans and the organizations to hear my decision directly from me.
And now I’ve decided to sign with the Boston Celtics.
There were so many great things pulling me in that direction. There was the winning culture of Boston, as a city — from the Sox, to the Pats, to the Bruins. There was the special history of the Celtics, as a franchise — from Russell, to Bird, to Pierce, and it goes on. There was the amazing potential of this current Celtics roster, as a team — from ownership, to the front office, to a talented roster with Isaiah, and Al, and everyone else. And of course, there was Coach Stevens: Not just for the relationship that we’ve built off the court — but also for the one that we started building on the court, all of those years ago, in Indiana.
And that unfinished business we had together, back in 2010, when I left Butler for the NBA … as far as I’m concerned, all of these years later, we still have it:
And that’s to win a championship.
Tribune article was a good read. Hayward and Stevens have unfinished business, indeed. Welcome to Boston Gordon.
QuoteAnd that unfinished business we had together, back in 2010, when I left Butler for the NBA … as far as I’m concerned, all of these years later, we still have it:
And that’s to win a championship.
Ending of the article. ;D
During the game last night, Blakely predicted he stays in Utah.Blakely reported that an NBA source is saying the agreement is 4Yrs 127.8 deal.. with 4 year a player option...
http://bit.ly/2tGlmcK
Blakey is also reporting that no decision has been made. I'm guessing he wants to be able to say he was right no matter what happens. Blakely has zero credibility.
Looks like blakely was right on point with it
Just terrible. I don't even think I want someone like that on the Celtics.QuoteWhat’s crazy is — before I even had a chance to make my decision, before I had a chance to sit down and write this, and before I even had a chance to talk about it with the people I love — I was already reading reports about where I was going. And I guess that’s just the way things work, in 2017. But I’m sorry it had to work out like that.
This was a life-changing decision for me and my family, and something we took really seriously. And from the very start of this process, one thing stood out as important: I knew that I wanted the fans and the organizations to hear my decision directly from me.
Clearly, the man has deeply flawed character for making people wait an entire 5 hours while he discussed the decision with loved ones and typed out a thoughtful goodbye to the Jazz organization and fans. SMH.
Now Ainge can finish off the roster moves and our people can start stitching Banner 18!
During the game last night, Blakely predicted he stays in Utah.Blakely reported that an NBA source is saying the agreement is 4Yrs 127.8 deal.. with 4 year a player option...
http://bit.ly/2tGlmcK
Blakey is also reporting that no decision has been made. I'm guessing he wants to be able to say he was right no matter what happens. Blakely has zero credibility.
Looks like blakely was right on point with it
Very classy article by Hayward. That's the way to do it-spend more time talking about the team your leaving and thanking everyone than talking up the team you're going to. Plenty of time for that in the next 3 years
Think they give him #20 or still debate if they retire it for Ray?
QuoteAnd that unfinished business we had together, back in 2010, when I left Butler for the NBA … as far as I’m concerned, all of these years later, we still have it:
And that’s to win a championship.
Ending of the article. ;D
Think they give him #20 or still debate if they retire it for Ray?Give him #20. There is no debate.
It's on ESPN - officially.
WELCOME TO BOSTON Gordon and Robyn!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;D :'( ;D :'( tears of joy.
Think they give him #20 or still debate if they retire it for Ray?
LLLLOOOLLLLLQuoteAnd that unfinished business we had together, back in 2010, when I left Butler for the NBA … as far as I’m concerned, all of these years later, we still have it:
And that’s to win a championship.
Ending of the article. ;D
Keep going Gordon...I'm almost there....
:laugh:
So he finally made it official? Ha, I was having dinner and missed it.
Well, I guess the Boston beaches, warm weather, and a night life was impossible to turn down. ;D
Goodbye Olynyk ;Dgood!!!!
No debate whatsoever.Think they give him #20 or still debate if they retire it for Ray?Give him #20. There is no debate.
Classless Jazz fan reactions, I get feeling burned but some of these posts are absurd.
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?70736-Hayward-to-Boston-quot-Thank-You-Utah-quot
Classless Jazz fan reactions, I get feeling burned but some of these posts are absurd.
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?70736-Hayward-to-Boston-quot-Thank-You-Utah-quot
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
Ha! I love it!
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
Ha! I love it!
Oh trust me, I'm like an encyclopedia of Kreiger quotes lol. He is my favorite character on Archer.
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
Ha! I love it!
Oh trust me, I'm like an encyclopedia of Kreiger quotes lol. He is my favorite character on Archer.
"Also yes." Lol
These were always my two favorite quotes:
(http://i.imgur.com/8tYs1.png)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/ec/c1/59ecc1eaf6a8ef09b5126075785faa1c--archer-tv-show-archer-fx.jpg)
Skip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/882394641324163072QuoteSkip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
Skip Bayless is A CLOWN.
Now...Deal Crowder and find a bigAgreed. We have no big men at all now. Amir and KO. Our two biggest players are gone and we couldn't rebound with them. Please a big rebounder who is tough.
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/882394641324163072QuoteSkip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
Skip Bayless is A CLOWN.
I'd definitely take him over Melo, but every other SG/SF is debatable imo.
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
Ha! I love it!
Oh trust me, I'm like an encyclopedia of Kreiger quotes lol. He is my favorite character on Archer.
"Also yes." Lol
These were always my two favorite quotes:
(http://i.imgur.com/8tYs1.png)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/ec/c1/59ecc1eaf6a8ef09b5126075785faa1c--archer-tv-show-archer-fx.jpg)
Can't give you another TP, because I just gave you one for your Archer reference in a different thread!
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/882394641324163072QuoteSkip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
Skip Bayless is A CLOWN.
I'd definitely take him over Melo, but every other SG/SF is debatable imo.
Exactly, Skip is just a fool. Hayward is very underrated.https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/882394641324163072QuoteSkip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
Skip Bayless is A CLOWN.
I'd definitely take him over Melo, but every other SG/SF is debatable imo.
Melo, DeRozan, Kemba, Millsap, Love, and Kyrie. If we're just talking about last year, Hayward was better than George last year, too.
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/882394641324163072QuoteSkip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
Skip Bayless is A CLOWN.
So after much huffing and puffing, character assassination, reading stuff in between the lines that wasn't there and tons of confirmation bias....can everyone be happy that Hayward is a Celtic and start celebrating Independence Day. After all, Wyc finally delivered on his fireworks statement.
Glad, Hayward is a Celtic. He is a great pick up and addresses so many needs offensively.
Glad, Kelly Olynyk, James Young and Jordan Mickey will no longer be Celtics.
Glad Gordon gave/made this decision just before I was leaving to see fireworks.
Glad to be a Celtic fan
Glad Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens are running my team.
Happy Independence Day everyone.
https://youtu.be/QoLywiaM6PA (https://youtu.be/QoLywiaM6PA)
Exactly, Skip is just a fool. Hayward is very underrated.https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/882394641324163072QuoteSkip BaylessVerified account
@RealSkipBayless
Gordon Hayward is a nice player who had a breakout year. But I wouldn't take him over a single player who made last yr's East All-Star team.
Skip Bayless is A CLOWN.
I'd definitely take him over Melo, but every other SG/SF is debatable imo.
Melo, DeRozan, Kemba, Millsap, Love, and Kyrie. If we're just talking about last year, Hayward was better than George last year, too.
Yes! I watched finale of Wentworth and came back to blog to see tons of pages! So excited in what Danny and Stevens have accomplished. We are a free agent destination and so close to a super team. Our future next ten years will be the stuff of legends!if we can move a few assets for Davis, we'd be complete
How we get a super team:
1. Crowder, Smart and parts and top laker or nets pick for disgruntled super star. Lets see what transpires in 17-18 with Davis and Westbrook and maybe George and Porzingis....
OR
2. One of Brown, Tatum, Nets 18 and Lakers 18 turn into super stars. It could be very likely it will happen with one and most possible two..imagine if we hit it on 3 or 4 and combine that with Hayward, IT and Horford.....Loving what I see in front of me
Fireworks baby! Celtics 18 could happen in 18..just saying:)
Yes! I watched finale of Wentworth and came back to blog to see tons of pages! So excited in what Danny and Stevens have accomplished. We are a free agent destination and so close to a super team. Our future next ten years will be the stuff of legends!
How we get a super team:
1. Crowder, Smart and parts and top laker or nets pick for disgruntled super star. Lets see what transpires in 17-18 with Davis and Westbrook and maybe George and Porzingis....
OR
2. One of Brown, Tatum, Nets 18 and Lakers 18 turn into super stars. It could be very likely it will happen with one and most possible two..imagine if we hit it on 3 or 4 and combine that with Hayward, IT and Horford.....Loving what I see in front of me
Fireworks baby! Celtics 18 could happen in 18..just saying:)
Yes! I watched finale of Wentworth and came back to blog to see tons of pages! So excited in what Danny and Stevens have accomplished. We are a free agent destination and so close to a super team. Our future next ten years will be the stuff of legends!if we can move a few assets for Davis, we'd be complete
How we get a super team:
1. Crowder, Smart and parts and top laker or nets pick for disgruntled super star. Lets see what transpires in 17-18 with Davis and Westbrook and maybe George and Porzingis....
OR
2. One of Brown, Tatum, Nets 18 and Lakers 18 turn into super stars. It could be very likely it will happen with one and most possible two..imagine if we hit it on 3 or 4 and combine that with Hayward, IT and Horford.....Loving what I see in front of me
Fireworks baby! Celtics 18 could happen in 18..just saying:)
https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
Ha! I love it!
Oh trust me, I'm like an encyclopedia of Kreiger quotes lol. He is my favorite character on Archer.
"Also yes." Lol
These were always my two favorite quotes:
(http://i.imgur.com/8tYs1.png)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/ec/c1/59ecc1eaf6a8ef09b5126075785faa1c--archer-tv-show-archer-fx.jpg)
Can't give you another TP, because I just gave you one for your Archer reference in a different thread!
I'll just give you one instead, because, well...
(https://m.popkey.co/7f8430/b0kJK.gif)
The best part is we keep all our picks
We could very well add 2 elite prospects: Porter and Ayton next year if the Lakers and nets continue to suck
It/rozier
Bradley
hayward/brown
Tatum/porter
Horford/ayton
https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
"Have fun being LeBrons little b-word"
1. B-word? LOL ::)
2. Really? Did they forget when their entire team was Golden States b-word? And would be for the next 3-4 years? At least in the East he has a reasonable chance to go to the finals. They are just super bitter.
Rudy Gobert...what a classless fool
https://twitter.com/JDfromSLC/status/882404939527446529
I'm just so happy. /end Kreiger voice
Ha! I love it!
Oh trust me, I'm like an encyclopedia of Kreiger quotes lol. He is my favorite character on Archer.
"Also yes." Lol
These were always my two favorite quotes:
(http://i.imgur.com/8tYs1.png)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/ec/c1/59ecc1eaf6a8ef09b5126075785faa1c--archer-tv-show-archer-fx.jpg)
Can't give you another TP, because I just gave you one for your Archer reference in a different thread!
I'll just give you one instead, because, well...
(https://m.popkey.co/7f8430/b0kJK.gif)
I will probably be giving you a 2nd tp next time I'm able to for good reason. 1st is because you recognized an archer reference, and 2nd because 2 of your special K quotes are in my top 5.
My favorite all time is when Archer is explaining to Kreiger that if he helps bring Barry back from Space, Barry and Katya will have a cyborg fight to the death in NYC. Kreiger interrupts him for a reason I can't quote on this family friendly blog.
https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
"Have fun being LeBrons little b-word"
1. B-word? LOL ::)
2. Really? Did they forget when their entire team was Golden States b-word? And would be for the next 3-4 years? At least in the East he has a reasonable chance to go to the finals. They are just super bitter.
That is such an odd video. The father sounds like Ned Flanders, the mother sounds like a truck driver, and there's a tiny little girl there for the jersey burning. I guess that's how they do it in Utah.
https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
That is disgusting. There ought to be a law.https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
Jokes on that guy. He was wearing socks with sandals.
I can actually hear fireworks in the background
I can actually hear fireworks in the background
Same LOL.
So fitting.
I can actually hear fireworks in the background
Same LOL.
So fitting.
I can actually hear fireworks in the background
Same LOL.
So fitting.
fireworks are going off across the street here!
I can actually hear fireworks in the background
Rudy Gobert...what a classless fool
https://twitter.com/JDfromSLC/status/882404939527446529
I can actually hear fireworks in the background
Hey do you guys think Hayward will start over Jae Crowder? I head defense wins in the NBA? Do you think Hayward is as good at D as Jae?I think Hayward should come off the bench as a 6th man.
Wow, a really nasty article on slcdunk.
The author makes some homophobic comments, saying Hayward is "coming out of the closet," and #HappyPrideDay etc.
The comments section is even worse.
Glad that garbage is not tolerated on this site. I get that people can be disappointed and angry, but some of these people are outright hateful.
https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2017/7/4/15920034/nba-free-agency-2017-gordon-hayward-boston-celtics-utah-jazz-miami-heat-otto-porter-danilo-gallinari#comments
Hey do you guys think Hayward will start over Jae Crowder? I head defense wins in the NBA? Do you think Hayward is as good at D as Jae?
Rudy Gobert...what a classless fool
https://twitter.com/JDfromSLC/status/882404939527446529
Lol I was never a Gobert fan. He's very overrated and is essentially Deandre Jordan with a free throw shot. Now I have even more reason to not like him.
Hey do you guys think Hayward will start over Jae Crowder? I head defense wins in the NBA? Do you think Hayward is as good at D as Jae?joke, right?
That is disgusting. There ought to be a law.https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
Jokes on that guy. He was wearing socks with sandals.
Hey do you guys think Hayward will start over Jae Crowder? I head defense wins in the NBA? Do you think Hayward is as good at D as Jae?joke, right?
pay a guy 27 mil to come off the bench...
ha
Hey do you guys think Hayward will start over Jae Crowder? I head defense wins in the NBA? Do you think Hayward is as good at D as Jae?
That is disgusting. There ought to be a law.https://twitter.com/Jcougar23/status/882390732329205760
They're burning his jersey in Utah lol
Jokes on that guy. He was wearing socks with sandals.
A law prohibiting burning your own clothing? Sounds rather insane to me.
Do we still have the Horford thread as well from last year? (I think we do).With these last 2 offseasons, I think we can officially bury the "FAs don't want to come to Boston" myth that was constantly pushed by the fans/media. It was simply not true then and now there is evidence to back that up.
This thread and that Horford one should both be treasured on this forum. Last 2 years we've gotten 2 marquee FA signings, when before that, the C's never got any marquee FA's. 8)
What a time to be a C's fan.
Still a lot of work to be done to get Banner 18, and also have to hope some of these picks develop well!
Wow, a really nasty article on slcdunk.
The author makes some homophobic comments, saying Hayward is "coming out of the closet," and #HappyPrideDay etc.
The comments section is even worse.
Glad that garbage is not tolerated on this site. I get that people can be disappointed and angry, but some of these people are outright hateful.
https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2017/7/4/15920034/nba-free-agency-2017-gordon-hayward-boston-celtics-utah-jazz-miami-heat-otto-porter-danilo-gallinari#comments
I don't consider the Hayward acquisition to be fireworks personally. More like sparklers, maybe. About on par with the Horford acquisition - maybe a bit better due to Hayward's youth / potential longevity.
Reading this thread a day later is just PURE GOLD lol.
Especially the period between his agent saying "he hasn't decided" and then Hayward posting the great Player Tribune Article. :laugh:
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
[Jaylen] Brown said he was at practice facility for Haywards visit to greet and speak to him. Team asked him to be there
Yup. Didn't and still doesn't :PApparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
Just sayin since I was accused of fake news. I reported what I was told. Because I didn't have a source didn't really mean jack now did it? Apologies excepted ;D
Nice little nugget just emerged:Quote[Jaylen] Brown said he was at practice facility for Haywards visit to greet and speak to him. Team asked him to be there
https://twitter.com/celticshub/status/882634298431381505
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
Just sayin since I was accused of fake news. I reported what I was told. Because I didn't have a source didn't really mean jack now did it? Apologies excepted ;D
Apparent the WoJ tweet was a buffer. I've been told heyward to Boston announcement coming in the half hour. And yes my news has been accurate from a rumor standpoint this whole time so :P
Just sayin since I was accused of fake news. I reported what I was told. Because I didn't have a source didn't really mean jack now did it? Apologies excepted ;D
Sounds about right.
I don't consider the Hayward acquisition to be fireworks personally. More like sparklers, maybe. About on par with the Horford acquisition - maybe a bit better due to Hayward's youth / potential longevity.
I don't consider the Hayward acquisition to be fireworks personally. More like sparklers, maybe. About on par with the Horford acquisition - maybe a bit better due to Hayward's youth / potential longevity.
Adam HimmelsbachVerified account @AdamHimmelsbach 3h3 hours ago
The state-of-the-art Brighton facility is scheduled to open next summer, and Cs believe it'll be an extra recruiting tool.
One part of Hayward's recruitment I heard about yesterday: He was the first free agent the Cs took to their splashy new practice facility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
TP for this.
Love Bradley, but Hayward is easily our 2nd best legitimate scoring threat and he can put up 20-25 on any given night consistently, with potential to score 30+ many nights too.
I expect in a spread/pass offense, Hayward's assist numbers go up too.
I also expect Isaiah to feel a little more relaxed now, now that he doesn't have to be the sole scorer and can reduce the amount of "heroball", because lets be honest, would you rather Olynyk or Crowder jacking up 3s late in close games, or Isaiah? That was the case almost all last season. Look for that to change for the better with Hayward and Tatum now.
Yep. Basically upgrading from Avery to Hayward is huge. As amazing as it was to watch Avery's progress he still wasn't a guy you could ever run the offense through. Hayward is. And the nice thing about Hayward is that he's going from the #1 option to the #2 option.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
TP for this.
Love Bradley, but Hayward is easily our 2nd best legitimate scoring threat and he can put up 20-25 on any given night consistently, with potential to score 30+ many nights too.
I expect in a spread/pass offense, Hayward's assist numbers go up too.
I also expect Isaiah to feel a little more relaxed now, now that he doesn't have to be the sole scorer and can reduce the amount of "heroball", because lets be honest, would you rather Olynyk or Crowder jacking up 3s late in close games, or Isaiah? That was the case almost all last season. Look for that to change for the better with Hayward and Tatum now.
Our offense was functioning at its best when Avery was operating as the secondary playmaker/scorer/slasher. The problem was that he wasn't consistent at these areas all of the time. Those roles are exactly what our Gordon will give us now. I expect our offense to be utterly elite this year. If Tatum can handle some of the offense on the bench, we should be able to avoid offense droughts for the most part. If some of our other young players step up, our team can be a problem.
Defensively I am worried about guarding elite point guards due to the loss of Avery. However, our switchability on the wing should help mitigate that problem a pit.
Yep. Basically upgrading from Avery to Hayward is huge. As amazing as it was to watch Avery's progress he still wasn't a guy you could ever run the offense through. Hayward is. And the nice thing about Hayward is that he's going from the #1 option to the #2 option.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
TP for this.
Love Bradley, but Hayward is easily our 2nd best legitimate scoring threat and he can put up 20-25 on any given night consistently, with potential to score 30+ many nights too.
I expect in a spread/pass offense, Hayward's assist numbers go up too.
I also expect Isaiah to feel a little more relaxed now, now that he doesn't have to be the sole scorer and can reduce the amount of "heroball", because lets be honest, would you rather Olynyk or Crowder jacking up 3s late in close games, or Isaiah? That was the case almost all last season. Look for that to change for the better with Hayward and Tatum now.
Our offense was functioning at its best when Avery was operating as the secondary playmaker/scorer/slasher. The problem was that he wasn't consistent at these areas all of the time. Those roles are exactly what our Gordon will give us now. I expect our offense to be utterly elite this year. If Tatum can handle some of the offense on the bench, we should be able to avoid offense droughts for the most part. If some of our other young players step up, our team can be a problem.
Defensively I am worried about guarding elite point guards due to the loss of Avery. However, our switchability on the wing should help mitigate that problem a pit.
And watching that video, it seems like he moves well off the ball which means Horford is going to get just as many assists on backdoor cuts as he did last year with Avery. I think Hayward will be a lot more easy buckets in Boston.
I like Avery as a player but I think more than a few in the media have given him way too much credit. Nice player yes, but not a difference maker. Certainly not someone who should be paid like a difference maker (which someone will do next summer). Hayward and Tatum upgrade the talent level significantly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
TP for this.
Love Bradley, but Hayward is easily our 2nd best legitimate scoring threat and he can put up 20-25 on any given night consistently, with potential to score 30+ many nights too.
I expect in a spread/pass offense, Hayward's assist numbers go up too.
I also expect Isaiah to feel a little more relaxed now, now that he doesn't have to be the sole scorer and can reduce the amount of "heroball", because lets be honest, would you rather Olynyk or Crowder jacking up 3s late in close games, or Isaiah? That was the case almost all last season. Look for that to change for the better with Hayward and Tatum now.
Our offense was functioning at its best when Avery was operating as the secondary playmaker/scorer/slasher. The problem was that he wasn't consistent at these areas all of the time. Those roles are exactly what our Gordon will give us now. I expect our offense to be utterly elite this year. If Tatum can handle some of the offense on the bench, we should be able to avoid offense droughts for the most part. If some of our other young players step up, our team can be a problem.
Defensively I am worried about guarding elite point guards due to the loss of Avery. However, our switchability on the wing should help mitigate that problem a pit.
That wouldn't surprise me. His assist numbers in the playoffs were up a tick in the playoffs, from 5.9 to 6.7 when defenses were focusing even more on him and teammates were more open. Hayward is terrific and I do think IT is going to be the #1 option but I also think Hayward's arrival means we're going to see IT off ball a lot more and just as much (if not more) of running things through Horford where he can find the team's 2 big scorers for easy buckets.Yep. Basically upgrading from Avery to Hayward is huge. As amazing as it was to watch Avery's progress he still wasn't a guy you could ever run the offense through. Hayward is. And the nice thing about Hayward is that he's going from the #1 option to the #2 option.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9BZxrynRQ
Just an interesting look at all of the ways Gordon has insane scoring ability.
He is going to help take our offense to the next level.
TP for this.
Love Bradley, but Hayward is easily our 2nd best legitimate scoring threat and he can put up 20-25 on any given night consistently, with potential to score 30+ many nights too.
I expect in a spread/pass offense, Hayward's assist numbers go up too.
I also expect Isaiah to feel a little more relaxed now, now that he doesn't have to be the sole scorer and can reduce the amount of "heroball", because lets be honest, would you rather Olynyk or Crowder jacking up 3s late in close games, or Isaiah? That was the case almost all last season. Look for that to change for the better with Hayward and Tatum now.
Our offense was functioning at its best when Avery was operating as the secondary playmaker/scorer/slasher. The problem was that he wasn't consistent at these areas all of the time. Those roles are exactly what our Gordon will give us now. I expect our offense to be utterly elite this year. If Tatum can handle some of the offense on the bench, we should be able to avoid offense droughts for the most part. If some of our other young players step up, our team can be a problem.
Defensively I am worried about guarding elite point guards due to the loss of Avery. However, our switchability on the wing should help mitigate that problem a pit.
And watching that video, it seems like he moves well off the ball which means Horford is going to get just as many assists on backdoor cuts as he did last year with Avery. I think Hayward will be a lot more easy buckets in Boston.
I have this nagging feeling that IT is going to focus on being a little more of a facilitator going forward. If he is able to truly work on getting all other parties involved, our offense may run smoother. Something about this whole situation makes me ponder the who 1st or 2nd option definition. At the end of the day, it wouldn't shock me if Hayward was our leading scorer at the end of the year, and IT's assist numbers jumped up a bit. Efficiency wise they should all have great years.
Imagine Horford puts up just silly assists? That would be great haha.
OFF SEASON moves definitely qualify has FIREWORKS !!!!!
Alas, even when we finally got our fireworks, there really weren't any fireworks (thanks, Cleveland).