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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Royrebirth on November 18, 2016, 11:35:26 PM
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This kid is insanely talented, and he has been so dominant to begin. Early sample size but 33 PPG / 6 APG / 5 RPG. You really can't play better than that.
I think he's the number one pick in the draft today, without a question. I would gladly take him, if we had the chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias
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I'll be glad if he will be picked up by either Sixers or Pelicans because the last thing we need is another guard. Sixers already took the BPA approach and have no success on doing it. I'd rather get another wing or big this time.
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I'll be glad if he will be picked up by either Sixers or Pelicans because the last thing we need is another guard. Sixers already took the BPA approach and have no success on doing it. I'd rather get another wing or big this time.
We don't have enough talent to pass up on the BPA regardless of position. If Fultz is clearly ahead of everyone else, you don't bypass him to choose a lesser player. In two years, IT, Bradley and Smart will all be free agents and I don't think Ainge will re-sign them all.
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He's very interesting. I'm trying to think of NBA comparisons.
There's something like a mix between James Harden and Westbrook, without the extreme athleticism of Westbrook, but more control and finesse like Harden.
I wonder if he could pull off many of those finishes around the basket in the NBA vs 7 ft defenders on a nightly basis. Something tells me he's one of those guys that just finds away to put the ball in the basket no matter how ugly it looks.
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I want Fultz on the Celtics, so the #20 jersey stays away from the rafters. ;D
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I want us to get Bam Abedayo, a legit big not another guard, we have those galore.
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I want us to get Bam Abedayo, a legit big not another guard, we have those galore.
you draft for talent, trade for need. Why pick lesser players for a need when the needs change in a few years? You wind up with a roster of lesser talents.
Draft the best player and then trade for need. That is the best way to go.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
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you draft for talent, trade for need. Why pick lesser players for a need when the needs change in a few years? You wind up with a roster of lesser talents.
Draft the best player and then trade for need. That is the best way to go.
How how this worked out for us, it has not. This is a broad based assumption but it does not apply here. If you are honest what do we need right now? One athletic big who can rebound. Would adding a talented guard or win fix our rebounding woes, nope. We are a piece or two away, not trying to build an asset pile. That might be true if it was reversed. Ainge does not always take the most talented anyway, he has a penchant for taking guys who are flawed whom he hopes pans out. He rarely takes a guy with potential though Brown and Rozier are guys you can argue that but his record for bigs is poor.
No one wants to trade with Danny because he has a record of winning trades. This is not NBA Live where trades happen easily.
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To all who are opposed to taking another guard: not taking BPA with the #1 overall pick would set this franchise back multiple decades.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
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17 points (6-9, 2-4 from 3) / 8 assists / 7 rebounds / 3 steals / 2 blocks last night. Highly efficient and dominant as before.
Barring an incredible season from Harry Giles, he is going #1.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
There will be some funky locker room conversations going on next year if we do luck in and grab him...
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
TP, this is exactly how I feel about the situatuon. The beauty is that I could see fultz playing with any of our guards not named IT. He seems like a Harden esque style point guard with "potential" on the defensive end.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG. You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years. You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future. Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation. When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
agreed. if this kid looks like a franchise talent, you take him and move the pieces needed to fit around him. with IT and AB up for raises in 2 years, use them for a big. Other option is to use the pick as a trading chip for a proven top player -- perhaps Cousins (with a guarantee to sign an extension).
Primary point is that if this kid continues to look this good, he's likely to be better than anyone we currently have on the roster and a future top player in the league. you don't pass on that level of talent for the likes of IT. you move IT (to either the bench as scoring spark plug where I really think he belongs or to another team for a player that provides better roster balance)
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG. You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years. You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future. Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation. When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.
This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.
The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG. You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years. You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future. Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation. When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.
This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.
The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
If we land Fultz Id trade IT to highest bidder. Word is 20 to 24 million per is what IT will be looking for, Mike Conley $. AB is around the same 19 to 23 million per, Bradley Beal $. It's crazy but that's the state of the NBA. This is why Fultz is a very good option on a rookie contract. As is extending Smart ASAP at a fair market deal like 3 years @ $27 million total. He will likely improve his game and out perform that last year of the extension amount. If he doesnt improve he is still okay at that price as a defensive specialist. No way I pay IT and AB top $ so getting Fultz makes that choice easier.
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG. You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years. You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future. Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation. When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.
This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.
The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
If we land Fultz Id trade IT to highest bidder. Word is 20 to 24 million per is what IT will be looking for, Mike Conley $. AB is around the same 19 to 23 million per, Bradley Beal $. It's crazy but that's the state of the NBA. This is why Fultz is a very good option on a rookie contract. As is extending Smart ASAP at a fair market deal like 3 years @ $27 million total. He will likely improve his game and out perform that last year of the extension amount. If he doesnt improve he is still okay at that price as a defensive specialist. No way I pay IT and AB top $ so getting Fultz makes that choice easier.
I've voiced my opinion about this before, but that's what IT wants. Do you actually think any team will offer him that? I seriously doubt it. For the same reasons we have concerns about paying him a max as he heads into his 30s, so do other teams. Maybe Bradley will get an offer like that in the market, but I truly don't believe any team will shell out that kind of cash for Isaiah.
And i also think you'd have to pay Smart much more than that. That's basically Avery money from before the cap jumped up.
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?
Mike
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?
Mike
At the very least I think we could get a middle of the road starting PF and a pick (not good of course.)
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?
Mike
Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.
Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn
Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:
Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic
Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?
Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.
Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.
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This sounds like a stupid prediction that will come back to haunt me...
but I feel like Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball are can't miss prospects.
How are they both shooting 45%+ from 3??? I thought this was their weakness
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?
Mike
Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.
Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn
Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:
Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic
Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?
Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.
Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.
Isaiah for Vucevic would be the best deal that Boston can hope for.
Highly doubtful they give up Hezonja or Gordon
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?
Mike
Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.
Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn
Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:
Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic
Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?
Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.
Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.
Isaiah for Vucevic would be the best deal that Boston can hope for.
Highly doubtful they give up Hezonja or Gordon
Hezonja gets DNP-CD most nights. I doubt they're in love with him. I really liked him during the draft process, so maybe he's someone worth looking into. As for Gordon, Orlando has a horribly crowded frontcourt and it's certainly possible that no one is willing to take their other guys. Netting a marketable All-Star point guard for a somewhat promising, yet miscast player who's entering free agency soon could be a decent return. Vucevic for IT straight up just doesn't appeal to me. I'm not a fan of the no-defense, ground-bound center.
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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT
Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?
Mike
Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.
Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn
Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:
Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic
Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?
Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.
Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.
To get anything of value for IT, he'd have to give some assurance that he'd consider re-signing with the team. The primary return for IT doesn't have to be a player. It could be another pick in this draft which I'd really like to have (e.g. Fultz and Markkanen).
I wouldn't write off Dallas especially if they win a bit and end up with a mid lottery pick. Cuban doesn't strike me as patient. So I think he'd prefer an established player to a pick that needs time to develop. I doubt the Magic would trade for IT. They've got Payton and if they've soured on him they could replace him in this PG heavy draft.
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Let's trade IT to Brooklyn for the right to swap picks in 2019 and their pick in 2020. Keep the train rolling! :D
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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.
This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.
Mike
From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.
The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.
I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG. You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years. You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future. Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation. When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.
This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.
The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
If we land Fultz Id trade IT to highest bidder. Word is 20 to 24 million per is what IT will be looking for, Mike Conley $. AB is around the same 19 to 23 million per, Bradley Beal $. It's crazy but that's the state of the NBA. This is why Fultz is a very good option on a rookie contract. As is extending Smart ASAP at a fair market deal like 3 years @ $27 million total. He will likely improve his game and out perform that last year of the extension amount. If he doesnt improve he is still okay at that price as a defensive specialist. No way I pay IT and AB top $ so getting Fultz makes that choice easier.
I've voiced my opinion about this before, but that's what IT wants. Do you actually think any team will offer him that? I seriously doubt it. For the same reasons we have concerns about paying him a max as he heads into his 30s, so do other teams. Maybe Bradley will get an offer like that in the market, but I truly don't believe any team will shell out that kind of cash for Isaiah.
And i also think you'd have to pay Smart much more than that. That's basically Avery money from before the cap jumped up.
Did you see some of the crazy deals this summer? I think IT gets what he wants. He would be the third max player on a championship team. You could bring him off the bench, play him 35 minutes a game, and in the right scenario, he could average over 25 ppg. Guys that have the potential to score like that and run by 90% of the players in this league get Eff you money.
Re: Fultz. I like him. I'm not convinced he's Russell Westbrook or even James Harden. Those are top 10 players in this league.
If he's anything like Damian Lillard, I'd pick him #1 overall. Lillard and Westbrook are my binkies- I think you can go to battle and win with them.
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I have an abnormal love for LB but I have to acknowledge Fultz is probably a better prospect than Ben Simmons was last year.
Like Simmons they are playing on a Team that doesn't matter in the college basketball landscape.
Why do these top prospects do that? I hate it. Do they just want to secure the #1 pick and put up gaudy numbers?
If so it's working. Let's compare Simmons to Fultz. And in a league where three point shooting matters. I'm taking Markelle.
Simmons
19.2 ppg 11.8 RPG 4.8 APG 3.4 tov 2 spg . 8 BPG
.560fg% .670ft% only attempted three three's that year and hit 1. Was extremely passive at times.
Fultz
23.1 ppg 6 APG 6 RPG 1.7 spg 1.4 bpg 3 tov
.490% fg .403 3p% 4.3 3pa .678 ft%
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37 points last game vs Colorado. This kid with Thomas in the backcourt. Are you serious. Smart is literally the perfect combo guard to come off the bench for either player.
That's why Bradley is gone.
Thomas
Fultz
Smart
Brown
Horford
That team wood be so fun to watch.
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https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=fb99grUpe-0
Highlights here.
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37 points last game vs Colorado. This kid with Thomas in the backcourt. Are you serious. Smart is literally the perfect combo guard to come off the bench for either player.
That's why Bradley is gone.
Thomas
Fultz
Smart
Brown
Horford
That team wood be so fun to watch.
Love this idea. and I think the idea of trying to trade the 2018 Nets pick for Myles Turner is genius to go along with it.
I know it was only slightly floated around here but CMON DANNY READ THIS
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37 points last game vs Colorado. This kid with Thomas in the backcourt. Are you serious. Smart is literally the perfect combo guard to come off the bench for either player.
That's why Bradley is gone.
Thomas
Fultz
Smart
Brown
Horford
That team wood be so fun to watch.
I know his stats are nice all around.. but has he had great stats vs great teams? Or is he scoring 20 vs good teams but 37 against crappy ones.
Another concern is his team is pure mediocre. But if he does everything possible to win , this doesnt matter as much.. still nice if he is 'experiencing' winning and making it to the tourney. Experience more intense ball
On the other hand jackson is having the best of both worlds. He is not scoring 30 plus a game but doing a little bit of everything to help his team win games after games. Kansas is a favorite to go far in the tourney
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37 points last game vs Colorado. This kid with Thomas in the backcourt. Are you serious. Smart is literally the perfect combo guard to come off the bench for either player.
That's why Bradley is gone.
Thomas
Fultz
Smart
Brown
Horford
That team wood be so fun to watch.
I know his stats are nice all around.. but has he had great stats vs great teams? Or is he scoring 20 vs good teams but 37 against crappy ones.
Another concern is his team is pure mediocre. But if he does everything possible to win , this doesnt matter as much.. still nice if he is 'experiencing' winning and making it to the tourney. Experience more intense ball
On the other hand jackson is having the best of both worlds. He is not scoring 30 plus a game but doing a little bit of everything to help his team win games after games. Kansas is a favorite to go far in the tourney
I mean, we aren't drafting his entire team, just him. I don't think this should matter much since there are no Marcus Smarts in college that will allow us to say, "ok Markelle, you score on this guy.. you're legit"
What I do see is him needing to be doubled, sometimes even triple teamed, there's really nothing college level players can do against a player that good this year. I'm predicting he's going to give Lonzo Ball that work on Feb 4th and by the their second game in March we should know who really has the highest floor.
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37 points last game vs Colorado. This kid with Thomas in the backcourt. Are you serious. Smart is literally the perfect combo guard to come off the bench for either player.
That's why Bradley is gone.
Thomas
Fultz
Smart
Brown
Horford
That team wood be so fun to watch.
I know his stats are nice all around.. but has he had great stats vs great teams? Or is he scoring 20 vs good teams but 37 against crappy ones.
Another concern is his team is pure mediocre. But if he does everything possible to win , this doesnt matter as much.. still nice if he is 'experiencing' winning and making it to the tourney. Experience more intense ball
On the other hand jackson is having the best of both worlds. He is not scoring 30 plus a game but doing a little bit of everything to help his team win games after games. Kansas is a favorite to go far in the tourney
I mean, we aren't drafting his entire team, just him. I don't think this should matter much since there are no Marcus Smarts in college that will allow us to say, "ok Markelle, you score on this guy.. you're legit"
What I do see is him needing to be doubled, sometimes even triple teamed, there's really nothing college level players can do against a player that good this year. I'm predicting he's going to give Lonzo Ball that work on Feb 4th and by the their second game in March we should know who really has the highest floor.
Ive marked that game on my calender. I could see an outcome where UCLA wins, but Fultz looks like far and a way the best prospect.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGtoS9ieWxM
Crazy. Fultz goes 10-18, rest of Washington - 15-49
Here's why he chose the Huskies:
http://www.heraldnet.com/sports/why-come-to-washington-for-fultz-its-all-about-the-love/
Fultz
Butler
Brown
Horford
Cousins
Rozier
Avery
Crowder
KO
Zizic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGtoS9ieWxM
Crazy. Fultz goes 10-18, rest of Washington - 15-49
Here's why he chose the Huskies:
http://www.heraldnet.com/sports/why-come-to-washington-for-fultz-its-all-about-the-love/
Fultz
Butler
Brown
Horford
Cousins
Rozier
Avery
Crowder
KO
Zizic
haha sorry but how do we get Fultz, Butler AND Cousins...without giving up Brown, Crowder or Bradley.
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By trading them Zeller!
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You mean destroying a weak conference? Didn't we saw Buddy Hield drop 40 against Simmons too?
I wouldn't put much stock on it, until Danny say so.
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A positive point for us : he's wearing #20
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The more I watch of Fultz, I've realized that he does have superstar, franchise level player potential. Only yesterday I was questioning his hype and didn't see his franchise potential.
After having a day off sick and watching his games and highlghts, I've changed my mind.
He has 'it' that the guys like Westbrook, Harden and Curry all have. Just puts the ball in the hoop in ways that 95% of other NBA players would never dream of.
He's going to come in and kill it pretty much from day 1.
Just a completely dominating scorer and playmaker. Size, enough athleticism to let his instincts and anticipatory senses get him over the 'superstar' line.
God It would be amazing to have this kid play next to Isaiah Thomas off the ball.
I haven't seen a guard dominate with the ball in his hands like this since Kyrie.
This guy is freakin amazing.
He isn't even trying on a lot of this stuff because it comes so easily to him.
To see a guy who is this crafty and long, who has the ball on a string whilst being able to get into the paint AND shoot from three is extremely rare.
I can't remember ever seeing a college player dominate in the pick and roll like this since Chris Paul- he is unstoppable in the pick and roll with his handles, length and range.
God what could he be doing in 5 years time in the NBA?
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I cant help but see a 6'4 version of Chris Paul
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The more I watch of Fultz, I've realized that he does have superstar, franchise level player potential. Only yesterday I was questioning his hype and didn't see his franchise potential.
After having a day off sick and watching his games and highlghts, I've changed my mind.
He has 'it' that the guys like Westbrook, Harden and Curry all have. Just puts the ball in the hoop in ways that 95% of other NBA players would never dream of.
He's going to come in and kill it pretty much from day 1.
Just a completely dominating scorer and playmaker. Size, enough athleticism to let his instincts and anticipatory senses get him over the 'superstar' line.
God It would be amazing to have this kid play next to Isaiah Thomas off the ball.
I haven't seen a guard dominate with the ball in his hands like this since Kyrie.
This guy is freakin amazing.
He isn't even trying on a lot of this stuff because it comes so easily to him.
To see a guy who is this crafty and long, who has the ball on a string whilst being able to get into the paint AND shoot from three is extremely rare.
I can't remember ever seeing a college player dominate in the pick and roll like this since Chris Paul- he is unstoppable in the pick and roll with his handles, length and range.
God what could he be doing in 5 years time in the NBA?
Exactly, he's like a Paul with Westbrook athletism. That's a hell of a potential there. Not to mention he already looks ready for nba. I can't remember seeing a prospect so much a sure thing than Fultz. Ball is great too, but there is a tiny chance he can be a bust. I don't see that in Fultz.
I hope we get #1. We miss on Duncan, Durant, hopefully we get Fultz.
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Man, I can just see us getting that #1 pick and no GMs will be willing to deal with us thinking Danny is too in love with his current assets and won't have the balls to take another guard even if he's BPA. I have a feeling they are going to challenge Danny to make the pick thinking he'll reach but that's when Danny is gonna let the league know that they got him f---ed up
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The more I watch of Fultz, I've realized that he does have superstar, franchise level player potential. Only yesterday I was questioning his hype and didn't see his franchise potential.
After having a day off sick and watching his games and highlghts, I've changed my mind.
He has 'it' that the guys like Westbrook, Harden and Curry all have. Just puts the ball in the hoop in ways that 95% of other NBA players would never dream of.
He's going to come in and kill it pretty much from day 1.
Just a completely dominating scorer and playmaker. Size, enough athleticism to let his instincts and anticipatory senses get him over the 'superstar' line.
God It would be amazing to have this kid play next to Isaiah Thomas off the ball.
I haven't seen a guard dominate with the ball in his hands like this since Kyrie.
This guy is freakin amazing.
He isn't even trying on a lot of this stuff because it comes so easily to him.
To see a guy who is this crafty and long, who has the ball on a string whilst being able to get into the paint AND shoot from three is extremely rare.
I can't remember ever seeing a college player dominate in the pick and roll like this since Chris Paul- he is unstoppable in the pick and roll with his handles, length and range.
God what could he be doing in 5 years time in the NBA?
Exactly, he's like a Paul with Westbrook athletism. That's a hell of a potential there. Not to mention he already looks ready for nba. I can't remember seeing a prospect so much a sure thing than Fultz. Ball is great too, but there is a tiny chance he can be a bust. I don't see that in Fultz.
I hope we get #1. We miss on Duncan, Durant, hopefully we get Fultz.
c'mon
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I don't follow College bball. I keep seeing Lonzo Ball on top of some mocks and in some ways he's statistically better. Lonzo is shooting 54% and 44% from three while averaging 15 points, 8.2 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals. I didn't understand why people loved Fultz so much more than Lonzo Ball until I watched some actual video of them. Fultz looks, moves and shoots like a prototypical basketball player. Ball's a goofy looking dude with an ugly looking game. His shooting form is bizarre. Is that why Fultz is so much more popular?
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Is Fultz really long?
It seemed like I watched a highlight video of him putting up 37 against a team the other day, and he seemed to have an enormous wingspan for the guard position, which helped him to get numerous blocks, steals, and deflections on opponents.
Is he pretty long for a guard? You know I love me some defensive potential in the guard position!
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The more I watch of Fultz, I've realized that he does have superstar, franchise level player potential. Only yesterday I was questioning his hype and didn't see his franchise potential.
After having a day off sick and watching his games and highlghts, I've changed my mind.
He has 'it' that the guys like Westbrook, Harden and Curry all have. Just puts the ball in the hoop in ways that 95% of other NBA players would never dream of.
He's going to come in and kill it pretty much from day 1.
Just a completely dominating scorer and playmaker. Size, enough athleticism to let his instincts and anticipatory senses get him over the 'superstar' line.
God It would be amazing to have this kid play next to Isaiah Thomas off the ball.
I haven't seen a guard dominate with the ball in his hands like this since Kyrie.
This guy is freakin amazing.
He isn't even trying on a lot of this stuff because it comes so easily to him.
To see a guy who is this crafty and long, who has the ball on a string whilst being able to get into the paint AND shoot from three is extremely rare.
I can't remember ever seeing a college player dominate in the pick and roll like this since Chris Paul- he is unstoppable in the pick and roll with his handles, length and range.
God what could he be doing in 5 years time in the NBA?
Exactly, he's like a Paul with Westbrook athletism. That's a hell of a potential there. Not to mention he already looks ready for nba. I can't remember seeing a prospect so much a sure thing than Fultz. Ball is great too, but there is a tiny chance he can be a bust. I don't see that in Fultz.
I hope we get #1. We miss on Duncan, Durant, hopefully we get Fultz.
c'mon
c'mon, you know what I mean (in college)
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Is Fultz really long?
It seemed like I watched a highlight video of him putting up 37 against a team the other day, and he seemed to have an enormous wingspan for the guard position, which helped him to get numerous blocks, steals, and deflections on opponents.
Is he pretty long for a guard? You know I love me some defensive potential in the guard position!
6'10 wingspan.
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The more I watch of Fultz, I've realized that he does have superstar, franchise level player potential. Only yesterday I was questioning his hype and didn't see his franchise potential.
After having a day off sick and watching his games and highlghts, I've changed my mind.
He has 'it' that the guys like Westbrook, Harden and Curry all have. Just puts the ball in the hoop in ways that 95% of other NBA players would never dream of.
He's going to come in and kill it pretty much from day 1.
Just a completely dominating scorer and playmaker. Size, enough athleticism to let his instincts and anticipatory senses get him over the 'superstar' line.
God It would be amazing to have this kid play next to Isaiah Thomas off the ball.
I haven't seen a guard dominate with the ball in his hands like this since Kyrie.
This guy is freakin amazing.
He isn't even trying on a lot of this stuff because it comes so easily to him.
To see a guy who is this crafty and long, who has the ball on a string whilst being able to get into the paint AND shoot from three is extremely rare.
I can't remember ever seeing a college player dominate in the pick and roll like this since Chris Paul- he is unstoppable in the pick and roll with his handles, length and range.
God what could he be doing in 5 years time in the NBA?
Exactly, he's like a Paul with Westbrook athletism. That's a hell of a potential there. Not to mention he already looks ready for nba. I can't remember seeing a prospect so much a sure thing than Fultz. Ball is great too, but there is a tiny chance he can be a bust. I don't see that in Fultz.
I hope we get #1. We miss on Duncan, Durant, hopefully we get Fultz.
c'mon
to be fair, he didn't specify that it was russell he was talking about
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I don't follow College bball. I keep seeing Lonzo Ball on top of some mocks and in some ways he's statistically better. Lonzo is shooting 54% and 44% from three while averaging 15 points, 8.2 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals. I didn't understand why people loved Fultz so much more than Lonzo Ball until I watched some actual video of them. Fultz looks, moves and shoots like a prototypical basketball player. Ball's a goofy looking dude with an ugly looking game. His shooting form is bizarre. Is that why Fultz is so much more popular?
Ball actually has more hype, as of now he's currently college's big man on campus because the tourney aspects and the excitement he brings to it being a top prospect on a top team. I'm always wary of such players, I feel safer taking guys like Fultz who are late bloomers.
The thing about Ball is the way he plays, eFG 65% because its all threes and shots near the rim(mostly alley oops, he had some bunnies just roll right out), he doesn't score any other way but the way the NBA is headed some GM might think that he'll be the 'new age' PG.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
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Is Fultz really long?
It seemed like I watched a highlight video of him putting up 37 against a team the other day, and he seemed to have an enormous wingspan for the guard position, which helped him to get numerous blocks, steals, and deflections on opponents.
Is he pretty long for a guard? You know I love me some defensive potential in the guard position!
6'10 wingspan.
That's pretty long for a 6'3"/6'4" guy isn't it?
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Is Fultz really long?
It seemed like I watched a highlight video of him putting up 37 against a team the other day, and he seemed to have an enormous wingspan for the guard position, which helped him to get numerous blocks, steals, and deflections on opponents.
Is he pretty long for a guard? You know I love me some defensive potential in the guard position!
6'10 wingspan.
That's pretty long for a 6'3"/6'4" guy isn't it?
Yes. And those measurements were taken right around his 18th birthday -- it wouldn't be unheard of for him to have grown a little more by the time the draft rolls around.
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I don't follow College bball. I keep seeing Lonzo Ball on top of some mocks and in some ways he's statistically better. Lonzo is shooting 54% and 44% from three while averaging 15 points, 8.2 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals. I didn't understand why people loved Fultz so much more than Lonzo Ball until I watched some actual video of them. Fultz looks, moves and shoots like a prototypical basketball player. Ball's a goofy looking dude with an ugly looking game. His shooting form is bizarre. Is that why Fultz is so much more popular?
For me, you hit the nail on the head. If I have a very high pick, I want the safest chance of securing a future all star. Markelle Fultz looks closer to what other all stars have looked like than Ball. That doesn't mean that Ball won't be a future MVP.
If you look back 10 yrs from now, I think there's a higher chance that Fultz is a better NBA player. Just my opinion....
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Washington has a really young roster of players that primarily weren't highly rated (compared to players at Kentucky, for example) coming out of high school. 10 of their 14 players are sophomores or freshmen. Furthermore, they had two kids blow up enough last year (Chriss and Dejounte Murray) to leave after their first-year, further depleting their talent. As far as the PAC 12 is concerned, they're in the lower half of talent, excluding Fultz, and very young to boot.
Now it's fair to ask why Fultz went there, but when he committed, Murray and Chriss were going to be there too, which could have been a really nice team. Once those two went one-and-done, the team was obviously worse off. But if the coaching staff could turn someone like Chriss, who was outside the top 50 coming out of high school into a top 10 pick within a year, that might not look bad to a prospective recruit.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Like Simmons, Fultz is hampered by mediocre talented teammates and lousy coaching. In the Gonzaga/Washington game early in the season, the coach just let them get slaughtered at the beginning of the game. Didn't call a timeout until after Gonzaga had a 20 point lead. Didn't adjust their defense even though Gonzaga was able to get to the rim at will.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
I think a large part of that can be atrributed to the fact that Brandon Ingram was the only other really good prospect.
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I would love Fultz and think he is the only player in the top 4 that really would fit in on this team, but I really doubt he will be better than Avery is playing this year. This would be a short term step back that would be worth it in the long run. Avery is averaging 18 points, is our best rebounder even though he is 6'2" and is a very good defensive player. I am happy though to lose a few extra games if it means we get a cornerstone piece like Fultz. Ball, Tatum and Jackson are all fine players - I probably like Tatum the best for us - but Fultz would be just such a natural fit.
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I would love Fultz and think he is the only player in the top 4 that really would fit in on this team, but I really doubt he will be better than Avery is playing this year. This would be a short term step back that would be worth it in the long run. Avery is averaging 18 points, is our best rebounder even though he is 6'2" and is a very good defensive player. I am happy though to lose a few extra games if it means we get a cornerstone piece like Fultz. Ball, Tatum and Jackson are all fine players - I probably like Tatum the best for us - but Fultz would be just such a natural fit.
It's more about Fultz Year 2 vs Avery. There will be plenty of minutes for Fultz to spend his first year as the fourth guard in the rotation, which would presumably be an upgrade over Rozier and Green. Then if Bradley leaves in free agency Fultz can increase his role.
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Lol what took you guys so long.
Fultz is better.... been telling yall this from the git.Glad yall woke up to this fact.
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Unfortunately for Fultz it doesnt look like his team will qualify for the MM tourney
Cant understand his school of choice
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
It didn't stop Shaquille O'Neal either. But then there was also Anthony Bennett.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
It didn't stop Shaquille O'Neal either. But then there was also Anthony Bennett.
Historically bad draft. cleveland was grasping at straws with the Bennett pick Fultz and Simmons are miles better prospects.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Like Simmons, Fultz is hampered by mediocre talented teammates and lousy coaching. In the Gonzaga/Washington game early in the season, the coach just let them get slaughtered at the beginning of the game. Didn't call a timeout until after Gonzaga had a 20 point lead. Didn't adjust their defense even though Gonzaga was able to get to the rim at will.
What about mediocre talent that surrounded Durant, Wade, Duncan in college ball ?.
to me these guys are true Tier 1 franchise calibre prospects....
Fultz is a nice talent but I have him in the same category as Bradley Beal... Still a nice player
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Like Simmons, Fultz is hampered by mediocre talented teammates and lousy coaching. In the Gonzaga/Washington game early in the season, the coach just let them get slaughtered at the beginning of the game. Didn't call a timeout until after Gonzaga had a 20 point lead. Didn't adjust their defense even though Gonzaga was able to get to the rim at will.
What about mediocre talent that surrounded Durant, Wade, Duncan in college ball ?.
to me these guys are true Tier 1 franchise calibre prospects....
Fultz is a nice talent but I have him in the same category as Bradley Beal... Still a nice player
Durant had DJ Augustin, who's far better than anyone on Washington. Wade's sophomore year (he was academically ineligible as a freshman) Marquette team had three seniors in the top 7 of the rotation, whereas Washington only has one senior on the roster. And comparing Wade as a junior to Fultz as a freshman is not a fair comparison.
Finally, comparing any freshman in this era to upperclassmen in the 90s is absurd. Most top players stayed 2-3 years, so teams were all older, more stable from year-to-year, and rarely relied on freshman contributions.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Like Simmons, Fultz is hampered by mediocre talented teammates and lousy coaching. In the Gonzaga/Washington game early in the season, the coach just let them get slaughtered at the beginning of the game. Didn't call a timeout until after Gonzaga had a 20 point lead. Didn't adjust their defense even though Gonzaga was able to get to the rim at will.
What about mediocre talent that surrounded Durant, Wade, Duncan in college ball ?.
to me these guys are true Tier 1 franchise calibre prospects....
Fultz is a nice talent but I have him in the same category as Bradley Beal... Still a nice player
I tend to agree. I think that guys like Harden and Lillard are Fultz's upside, and Beal is probably more realistic. I know that Celtics fans really want the next two drafts to produce the next great basketball players, but a tempered approach is prob. more realistic. Though I'd be psyched if the Celtics pick the next MVP, I'm not expecting a star.
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Like Simmons, Fultz is hampered by mediocre talented teammates and lousy coaching. In the Gonzaga/Washington game early in the season, the coach just let them get slaughtered at the beginning of the game. Didn't call a timeout until after Gonzaga had a 20 point lead. Didn't adjust their defense even though Gonzaga was able to get to the rim at will.
What about mediocre talent that surrounded Durant, Wade, Duncan in college ball ?.
to me these guys are true Tier 1 franchise calibre prospects....
Fultz is a nice talent but I have him in the same category as Bradley Beal... Still a nice player
I tend to agree. I think that guys like Harden and Lillard are Fultz's upside, and Beal is probably more realistic. I know that Celtics fans really want the next two drafts to produce the next great basketball players, but a tempered approach is prob. more realistic. Though I'd be psyched if the Celtics pick the next MVP, I'm not expecting a star.
Agree
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If Fultz is so great though, why doesn't his team do better overall? I have to be somewhat wary of a player on a mediocre team
I agree but it did not stop Ben Simmons from going one.
Like Simmons, Fultz is hampered by mediocre talented teammates and lousy coaching. In the Gonzaga/Washington game early in the season, the coach just let them get slaughtered at the beginning of the game. Didn't call a timeout until after Gonzaga had a 20 point lead. Didn't adjust their defense even though Gonzaga was able to get to the rim at will.
What about mediocre talent that surrounded Durant, Wade, Duncan in college ball ?.
to me these guys are true Tier 1 franchise calibre prospects....
Fultz is a nice talent but I have him in the same category as Bradley Beal... Still a nice player
I tend to agree. I think that guys like Harden and Lillard are Fultz's upside, and Beal is probably more realistic. I know that Celtics fans really want the next two drafts to produce the next great basketball players, but a tempered approach is prob. more realistic. Though I'd be psyched if the Celtics pick the next MVP, I'm not expecting a star.
Agree
If we get a top 3 pick in this draft it is completely reasonable to expect a star. Just like if we'd gotten one in the Kevin Durant and Andrew Wiggins drafts. That said, Bradley Beal, when healthy, is a star
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The more I watch of Fultz, I've realized that he does have superstar, franchise level player potential. Only yesterday I was questioning his hype and didn't see his franchise potential.
After having a day off sick and watching his games and highlghts, I've changed my mind.
He has 'it' that the guys like Westbrook, Harden and Curry all have. Just puts the ball in the hoop in ways that 95% of other NBA players would never dream of.
He's going to come in and kill it pretty much from day 1.
Just a completely dominating scorer and playmaker. Size, enough athleticism to let his instincts and anticipatory senses get him over the 'superstar' line.
God It would be amazing to have this kid play next to Isaiah Thomas off the ball.
I haven't seen a guard dominate with the ball in his hands like this since Kyrie.
This guy is freakin amazing.
He isn't even trying on a lot of this stuff because it comes so easily to him.
To see a guy who is this crafty and long, who has the ball on a string whilst being able to get into the paint AND shoot from three is extremely rare.
I can't remember ever seeing a college player dominate in the pick and roll like this since Chris Paul- he is unstoppable in the pick and roll with his handles, length and range.
God what could he be doing in 5 years time in the NBA?
Exactly, he's like a Paul with Westbrook athletism. That's a hell of a potential there. Not to mention he already looks ready for nba. I can't remember seeing a prospect so much a sure thing than Fultz. Ball is great too, but there is a tiny chance he can be a bust. I don't see that in Fultz.
I hope we get #1. We miss on Duncan, Durant, hopefully we get Fultz.
c'mon
to be fair, he didn't specify that it was russell he was talking about
Lol. TP.
I think he's like westbrook in the way he contorts his body mid air.
What he lacks in athleticism he had made up for with craftyness ala Paul Pierce and CP3/Steph Curry.
Dude is like swiss army knife on offense.
And yeah his team sucks because when he committed in 15' they had Chriss and Dejounte Murray who werent expected to declare last year.
Coach is awful too.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I wouldn't go that far. IT is already establishing himself and carving his own destiny...a few successful playoff campagns and he will be regarded as the best 5'9 to ever play the game.
Turner is actually a very good comparison..ET was an excellent player coming out and expectatuons were really good for him to succeed.
I also see Fultz as ET like...silky smooth moves and abit herky jerky but with more consistency...the three ball also helps him quite a lot..
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
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Might be a reason not to draft him
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Rich man's Evan Turner. Interesting.
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If we get the 1 pick, I think Danny really has a tough time choosing between Fultz and Ball.
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Question: Does winning games in the NCAA actually matter? The way I see it, its all about individual characteristics and performance that should matter most when evaluating a player. Apart from those loaded teams like Kentucky and Duke, when has winning in the NCAA translated to being a productive NBA player? Guys like Napier and Brice Johnson come to mind that won it all in the NCAA and were like the best players on their team, and are marginal role players/practice bodies in the NBA.
Also, I feel like Fultz is more dynamic that ET offensively. They can probably have similar impact on rebounding and assists, but from what I remember Turner was really good at that incredibly awkward and reliable crossover to create space for a dribble pull up, as well as the turn around jumper from the mid post. Fultz seems to have it all on offense, a reliable floater, crossover, excellent at finishing at the rim. It seems that also he is great at the 3 different 3 point shots (pull up, spot up, and the transition 3)
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Why is that a bad thing? A much better ET is what, a lesser LBJ? Turner can do some of everything, he isn't elite at it but a rich man's ET would be, right? Unless, "rich man's" implies slightly better? Because going from my broke pockets to rich is a hell of an upgrade!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I wouldn't go that far. IT is already establishing himself and carving his own destiny...a few successful playoff campagns and he will be regarded as the best 5'9 to ever play the game.
Turner is actually a very good comparison..ET was an excellent player coming out and expectatuons were really good for him to succeed.
I also see Fultz as ET like...silky smooth moves and abit herky jerky but with more consistency...the three ball also helps him quite a lot..
ET never got to the line or do anything off ball besides cut to the basket. I see Fultz and he does a lot of what IT does for Washington, he's no sixth man for them... he's their only scoring option, the 2nd leading scorer is constantly going 4 for 15 and so Fultz has the burden of keeping his team in games, ET did not play that role for us.
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Question: Does winning games in the NCAA actually matter? The way I see it, its all about individual characteristics and performance that should matter most when evaluating a player. Apart from those loaded teams like Kentucky and Duke, when has winning in the NCAA translated to being a productive NBA player? Guys like Napier and Brice Johnson come to mind that won it all in the NCAA and were like the best players on their team, and are marginal role players/practice bodies in the NBA.
It matters...winning is better than losing..some players know how to win or are lucky...
Look at a guy like tobias harris... for the most part a bonafide loser throughout his nba career .... Yet his individual stats look shinny
Melo the same (knicks career)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
Tell what other prospects have the same floor as him? Besides Dennis Smith Jr, the other guys have bigger red flags, and what really disqualifies Fultz is that he went to the same school that our current star attended? ???
You need to look at that team's stats, guys get shots they just don't make them and they fumble the ball a lot. Fultz in essence has to be incredible or else Washington's record will not be what it is right now.
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A 'properly sized IT,? Ouch! IT gets no respect.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
Tell what other prospects have the same floor as him? Besides Dennis Smith Jr, the other guys have bigger red flags, and what really disqualifies Fultz is that he went to the same school that our current star attended? ???
You need to look at that team's stats, guys get shots they just don't make them and they fumble the ball a lot. Fultz in essence has to be incredible or else Washington's record will not be what it is right now.
Some of you folks care way too much about liking good jump shooters/smooth stroke
Ball even with his unorthox release is shooting at a good rate. And its a quick release.
What makes him an inferior player vs Fultz?? He is taller, a better passer... I mean overall they are close
Jackson one negative is the consistentcy from his jump shot. Also yeah a bit unorthodox. But he is the best versatile defender of the draft. A 6'8 guy that can handle the ball/pass like a guard, dont grow trees either. Very explosive. For those that value a draymond green more than a jabari parker will value what Jackson brings to the table
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A 'properly sized IT,? Ouch! IT gets no respect.
Man, I didn't mean anything by it. The comparison was to serve as a compliment to Fultz since IT is the man.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
Tell what other prospects have the same floor as him? Besides Dennis Smith Jr, the other guys have bigger red flags, and what really disqualifies Fultz is that he went to the same school that our current star attended? ???
You need to look at that team's stats, guys get shots they just don't make them and they fumble the ball a lot. Fultz in essence has to be incredible or else Washington's record will not be what it is right now.
Some of you folks care way too much about liking good jump shooters/smooth stroke
Ball even with his unorthox release is shooting at a good rate. And its a quick release.
What makes him an inferior player vs Fultz?? He is taller, a better passer... I mean overall they are close
Jackson one negative is the consistentcy from his jump shot. Also yeah a bit unorthodox. But he is the best versatile defender of the draft. A 6'8 guy that can handle the ball/pass like a guard, dont grow out of trees either. Very explosive. For those that value a draymond green more than a jabari parker will value what Jackson brings to the table
Ball - Guy loses his balance every time his shot is contested since he is trying so hard not to have it blocked, the stroke looks good off catch and shoot, but went 2-8 vs Kentucky who at least have NBA hopeful level talent. You gotta ask yourself how will his he fare against better athletes when his go-to scoring is essentially alley oops and deep threes(not deep MOVING threes like Curry btw)
Jackson - I like him, think he is NBA ready, I like the playmaking. But we've been drafting for defense for so long now and can't seem to stop anyone and then what? We wait and wait and wait and wait for the kid to go from subpar shooting to at least average in a system predicated around the three point shot. That just seems more like project to me.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
Good sir, for that bolded part I am going to try and remember to give you a couple of TPs. One of my favorite lines on Cs blog ever.
I also agree with all of the sentiments you described about his fit here.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
Tell what other prospects have the same floor as him? Besides Dennis Smith Jr, the other guys have bigger red flags, and what really disqualifies Fultz is that he went to the same school that our current star attended? ???
You need to look at that team's stats, guys get shots they just don't make them and they fumble the ball a lot. Fultz in essence has to be incredible or else Washington's record will not be what it is right now.
Some of you folks care way too much about liking good jump shooters/smooth stroke
Ball even with his unorthox release is shooting at a good rate. And its a quick release.
What makes him an inferior player vs Fultz?? He is taller, a better passer... I mean overall they are close
Jackson one negative is the consistentcy from his jump shot. Also yeah a bit unorthodox. But he is the best versatile defender of the draft. A 6'8 guy that can handle the ball/pass like a guard, dont grow trees either. Very explosive. For those that value a draymond green more than a jabari parker will value what Jackson brings to the table
Ball is great at shooting wide open 3s, Fultz is good on catch and shoot and dribble pull up. So Fultz is way more dynamic.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
Tell what other prospects have the same floor as him? Besides Dennis Smith Jr, the other guys have bigger red flags, and what really disqualifies Fultz is that he went to the same school that our current star attended? ???
You need to look at that team's stats, guys get shots they just don't make them and they fumble the ball a lot. Fultz in essence has to be incredible or else Washington's record will not be what it is right now.
Some of you folks care way too much about liking good jump shooters/smooth stroke
Ball even with his unorthox release is shooting at a good rate. And its a quick release.
What makes him an inferior player vs Fultz?? He is taller, a better passer... I mean overall they are close
Jackson one negative is the consistentcy from his jump shot. Also yeah a bit unorthodox. But he is the best versatile defender of the draft. A 6'8 guy that can handle the ball/pass like a guard, dont grow out of trees either. Very explosive. For those that value a draymond green more than a jabari parker will value what Jackson brings to the table
Ball - Guy loses his balance every time his shot is contested since he is trying so hard not to have it blocked, the stroke looks good off catch and shoot, but went 2-8 vs Kentucky who at least have NBA hopeful level talent. You gotta ask yourself how will his he fare against better athletes when his go-to scoring is essentially alley oops and deep threes(not deep MOVING threes like Curry btw)
Jackson - I like him, think he is NBA ready, I like the playmaking. But we've been drafting for defense for so long now and can't seem to stop anyone and then what? We wait and wait and wait and wait for the kid to go from subpar shooting to at least average in a system predicated around the three point shot. That just seems more like project to me.
Yes and its still a problem for the team. Cbs is not unhappy with the offense. Its the defense he is unhappy with
On a "need" basis , we need a top versatile defender more than another scorer
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
I disagree its a no brainer
His team stinks. It maybe none of his fault but could he do more to help his team win?
Ball and Jackson are in the same league imo
Tell what other prospects have the same floor as him? Besides Dennis Smith Jr, the other guys have bigger red flags, and what really disqualifies Fultz is that he went to the same school that our current star attended? ???
You need to look at that team's stats, guys get shots they just don't make them and they fumble the ball a lot. Fultz in essence has to be incredible or else Washington's record will not be what it is right now.
Some of you folks care way too much about liking good jump shooters/smooth stroke
Ball even with his unorthox release is shooting at a good rate. And its a quick release.
What makes him an inferior player vs Fultz?? He is taller, a better passer... I mean overall they are close
Jackson one negative is the consistentcy from his jump shot. Also yeah a bit unorthodox. But he is the best versatile defender of the draft. A 6'8 guy that can handle the ball/pass like a guard, dont grow out of trees either. Very explosive. For those that value a draymond green more than a jabari parker will value what Jackson brings to the table
Ball - Guy loses his balance every time his shot is contested since he is trying so hard not to have it blocked, the stroke looks good off catch and shoot, but went 2-8 vs Kentucky who at least have NBA hopeful level talent. You gotta ask yourself how will his he fare against better athletes when his go-to scoring is essentially alley oops and deep threes(not deep MOVING threes like Curry btw)
Jackson - I like him, think he is NBA ready, I like the playmaking. But we've been drafting for defense for so long now and can't seem to stop anyone and then what? We wait and wait and wait and wait for the kid to go from subpar shooting to at least average in a system predicated around the three point shot. That just seems more like project to me.
Yes and its still a problem for the team. Cbs is not unhappy with the offense. Its the defense he is unhappy with
On a "need" basis , we need a top versatile defender more than another scorer
Well Ainge is not happy with the Offense. He wants someone not named IT to be able step up and I'm afraid he makes the roster decisions. More defense won't make much difference unless Jackson can play center in the NBA. The most NBA ready player is Fultz, idk how this can even come to a debate.
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If Evan Turner could hit pull-up threes he'd be a perennial All-Star, so that's not so bad.
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Marquelle Fultz is a new Paul Pierce, not Evan Turner.
Fultz has that same high, over the head step back jumper that he can get off any time he wants. He's got 3 point range and a killer midrange shot. He has the same jab step move to create space that we saw Pierce use a thousand times. He has that same three quarter speed, herky jerky, you can't stop me offensive style. His footwork is perfect. He has a strong build and really long arms, like Pierce, and can get to the rim and finish consistently. He's an even better passer.
Ball shoots from his waist. He's very clever and quick, but that isn't a shot you get off against LeBron in the last 10 seconds.
Fultz is the real deal.
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Evan Turner is a rich man's Evan Turner.
SMH @ Portland.
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Evan Turner is a poor man's Rudy Gay. He is trash don't compare good players to him. All that he proved is that Brad Stevens is a genius and our bench didn't have anyone who can dribble.
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Maybe freshman-year Fultz will be something like Turner, but I'll be really disappointed if that's all he turns into. He should be able to score much more efficiently than Turner can.
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if rookie Fultz can be Evan Turner + 38% 3 point shooting then Fultz will be a superstar in this league.
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Marquelle Fultz is a new Paul Pierce, not Evan Turner.
Fultz has that same high, over the head step back jumper that he can get off any time he wants. He's got 3 point range and a killer midrange shot. He has the same jab step move to create space that we saw Pierce use a thousand times. He has that same three quarter speed, herky jerky, you can't stop me offensive style. His footwork is perfect. He has a strong build and really long arms, like Pierce, and can get to the rim and finish consistently. He's an even better passer.
Ball shoots from his waist. He's very clever and quick, but that isn't a shot you get off against LeBron in the last 10 seconds.
Fultz is the real deal.
This is a perfect description. TP.
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If the Celts dont draft Fultz i can see a riot starting
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Marquelle Fultz is a new Paul Pierce, not Evan Turner.
Fultz has that same high, over the head step back jumper that he can get off any time he wants. He's got 3 point range and a killer midrange shot. He has the same jab step move to create space that we saw Pierce use a thousand times. He has that same three quarter speed, herky jerky, you can't stop me offensive style. His footwork is perfect. He has a strong build and really long arms, like Pierce, and can get to the rim and finish consistently. He's an even better passer.
Ball shoots from his waist. He's very clever and quick, but that isn't a shot you get off against LeBron in the last 10 seconds.
Fultz is the real deal.
This is a perfect description. TP.
Fultz is way more athletic than pierce ever was.
I hear what your saying, but Pierce was sneaky athletic. Fultz is just straight up athletic.
Fultz is also three inches shorter and not as strong.
Fultz is a PG. I've seen Fultz dunk from the free throw line, it was ridiculousl, the longest hangtime I've ever seen from the FT line. Probably because he's the shortest guy I've seen do it.
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This thread title is ridiculous.
If buy Rich mam you mean He's a Bill Gates Even Turner than yes.
Fultz is in a different class than Turner.
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This thread title is ridiculous.
If buy Rich mam you mean He's a Bill Gates Even Turner than yes.
Fultz is in a different class than Turner.
read the OP. He means hes a rich man's Turner today and could fill in out 6th man offense off the bench role as a rookie. OP doesnt mean(I dont think ) that Fultz will follow that career trajectory.
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Marquelle Fultz is a new Paul Pierce, not Evan Turner.
Fultz has that same high, over the head step back jumper that he can get off any time he wants. He's got 3 point range and a killer midrange shot. He has the same jab step move to create space that we saw Pierce use a thousand times. He has that same three quarter speed, herky jerky, you can't stop me offensive style. His footwork is perfect. He has a strong build and really long arms, like Pierce, and can get to the rim and finish consistently. He's an even better passer.
Ball shoots from his waist. He's very clever and quick, but that isn't a shot you get off against LeBron in the last 10 seconds.
Fultz is the real deal.
If this is even remotely close, sign me up. Would love to see another generational offensive talent on the C's.
Side note: How cool would it be to see Fultz take #20 and have it end up in the rafters for him instead of Ray?
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
Which top team has fultz played well against?
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
Which top team has fultz played well against?
None yet, but I believe they have a matchup with UCLA coming up.
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He certainly is a strange mashup. Pierce, hardaway, rose. I could throw in Jason Williams and Paul George.
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He certainly is a strange mashup. Pierce, hardaway, rose. I could throw in Jason Williams and Paul George.
Wait, how about a taller Stephon Marbury?
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Evan Turner? Are you serious? ET is not a good shooter. Fultz (so far) is.
I like Lillard or Harden as a better comp.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
A properly sized IT would drop 30+ ppg every year.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
No brainer he goes #1, he looks like the only NBA player in college so far.
I feel like a rich man's Evan Turner is selling him short. He's more like a properly sized Isaiah Thomas.
A properly sized IT would drop 30+ ppg every year.
That's pretty much Fultz
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If the Celts dont draft Fultz i can see a riot starting
Nah. See Jaylen Brown. They might be classless, but they aren't that low to start something stupid like that.
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Great discussion on a goofy passing idea I had a whim. Well posted everybody.
Wanted to address the big question that rose up in the thread...
This thread title is ridiculous.
If buy Rich mam you mean He's a Bill Gates Even Turner than yes.
Fultz is in a different class than Turner.
read the OP. He means hes a rich man's Turner today and could fill in out 6th man offense off the bench role as a rookie. OP doesnt mean(I dont think ) that Fultz will follow that career trajectory.
BINGO
TP Ilikesports17 that's exactly what I meant.
By saying Rich man's Evan Turner I was in no way trying to sell Fultz short. I respect Evan Turner's game and think he was vital to our success last year. What I was referring to is the player that we'll get next year and the role we'll have available for him, both of which would resemble 2015/2016 10/5/4 Evan Turner. Only because Fultz is exceptional he'd be able to get even more out of that role to the tune of something like 15/6/6.
But aside from thinking only about how much he'd add it's also retaining what we've lost from last year. Like many of you, I don't think that any combination of Marcus Smart and Terry Rozier has reached the level of playmaking that Turner had last year. These were timely buckets, the shot's that stop another team's run dead in it's tracks.
You'd see it when we'd have shifts. It might've taken Kelly, Bradley or Sullinger a minute to get into rhythm and in that time the other team gets 3 quick baskets in a row and is trying to pull away. Who would be there to squelch the run but an Evan Turner jumper, leaner or layup. Suddenly we're back to firing on all cylinders and never fell into a hole.
We had it then with and with Fultz we could have it again. Give him the green light and we've solidified the bucket output of the second unit. Only a matter of time until he'd be ready to step in to the starting lineup but until he's ready he he cant feast on second units and we can let Isaiah continue on his MVP campaign.
Enter the league a rich man's Evan Turner, retire a multiple All Star.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPs8kcGDQJ_/
Jonathan Givony of Draftexpress just posted this video of all the ways Markelle Fultz can score in the halfcourt. Of course it's impossible to say for certain that he'd be able to replicate this at the NBA level, it does show that Fultz has arsenal of shots to work with that wouldn't be easy to predict and the athleticism to attack the holes in the defense.,
For those concerned about adding a rookie guard to this team next year, in the short term couldn't you easily picture Fultz sliding seamlessly into the vacant Evan Turner 6th man shot creator off the bench role? It was shot creation that carried the offense for stretches and unlike ET, Fultz would play it with above the rim hops and deep three point range.
All in on this kid, Fultz or bust. Here's hoping the Old Gods are with the King in the 4th and bring us the Young Wolf on draft day. 8)
Good sir, for that bolded part I am going to try and remember to give you a couple of TPs. One of my favorite lines on Cs blog ever.
I also agree with all of the sentiments you described about his fit here.
Haaa Jeez thanks AFoS, glad it was it was fun for you to read as it was for me to write. I wake up every morning hoping to hear news about Winds of Winter's release date. :)
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
Which top team has fultz played well against?
None yet, but I believe they have a matchup with UCLA coming up.
Ok. Need to see 2-3 games where he excels against good schools
Jackson, ball , smith jr. all have proven they can raise the bar against the best teams in the country... Well smith jr is 1 for 2
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
Which top team has fultz played well against?
The only two games against good teams have been Gonzaga and Oregon.
Gonzaga, 26 points, 10-26 FGs, 3-6 on 3's, 10R, 1A, 1TO
Oregon, 22 points, 8-16, 1-5, 4A, 4TO.
So 43% FG, 36% on 3's, as many TO's as assists. Good point totals, not very efficient against good competition.
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
Which top team has fultz played well against?
The only two games against good teams have been Gonzaga and Oregon.
Gonzaga, 26 points, 10-26 FGs, 3-6 on 3's, 10R, 1A, 1TO
Oregon, 22 points, 8-16, 1-5, 4A, 4TO.
So 43% FG, 36% on 3's, as many TO's as assists. Good point totals, not very efficient against good competition.
Well there you go
So he is not a superplayer
I still think more like Beal
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Im going to say he is a taller Derrick Rose or a shorter Penny Hardaway. He is way ahead of his time.
Which top team has fultz played well against?
The only two games against good teams have been Gonzaga and Oregon.
Gonzaga, 26 points, 10-26 FGs, 3-6 on 3's, 10R, 1A, 1TO
Oregon, 22 points, 8-16, 1-5, 4A, 4TO.
So 43% FG, 36% on 3's, as many TO's as assists. Good point totals, not very efficient against good competition.
Well there you go
So he is not a superplayer
I still think more like Beal
Dude, Beal was not doing what Fultz is doing now as a Freshman. Can you please throw that notion out somewhere? The fact that you are expecting Fultz to take down elite college teams by himself to validate him is silly when you and I both know he is the best 18 year old playing basketball right now.
Guys in top teams usually beat other top teams and you don't see Tyus Jones killing it the NBA. That's because none of these guys will get drafted solely based on their success in College. Jaylen Brown had quite a pedestrian freshman year and he's showing that he belongs in the NBA. These games are just opportunities for us to see their skills, tendencies, and athleticism.
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Really hard to see this guy not being at least a borderline-all star at some point in his career isn't it? I think Ball has a larger % of outcomes where he's a transcendent HoF-level player, but Fultz has a super, duper high floor.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
I'm eyeing 2nd/3rd myself
Fultz vs Arizona was a little bit of a letdown. He shoots too many jumpers sometimes. Needs to be aggressive and drive in more/start the fast break
Also defensive intensity could be better
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
BBall ref gives us a 22% chance at the #1 pick today. Thats substantial enough to talk about the likely #1 prospect.
Its also not impossible he gets passed up by Ball or Jackson in the coming months.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
I'm eyeing 2nd/3rd myself
Fultz vs Arizona was a little bit of a letdown. He shoots too many jumpers sometimes. Needs to be aggressive and drive in more/start the fast break
Also defensive intensity could be better
He had an off game but you could still see how excellent he is going to the basket and creating his own shot. My biggest disappointment was his foul shooting. Still think it comes down to him and Ball for top pick.
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Fultz vs Allen. Not Fultz best game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=G07u5Y47fO8
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Fultz vs Allen. Not Fultz best game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=G07u5Y47fO8
Thoughts?
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Fultz vs Allen. Not Fultz best game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=G07u5Y47fO8
Thoughts?
Still the best 18 year old playing basketball right now.
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What about Fultz to Brandon Roy comparison?
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
What is it that you dont get.... He stated -
Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th
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Does this sound statistically plausible to you?
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4th is the most likely, but to put it that way is misleading since we have a much better chance of landing 1, 2 or 3, taken as a whole, than 4.
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my irrational fear is that we land #3 and take lonzo ball. not that he is a not a good player- i was just looking for the blue chip offensive talent that our team could use. I think we have enough 2 way rounded players (Crowder, Bradley, eventually Brown). I want a scorer to couple with IT, and I think Fultz has a greater chance to score 25ppg in the NBA than the others. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ball becomes a slightly better version of Rubio.
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my irrational fear is that we land #3 and take lonzo ball. not that he is a not a good player- i was just looking for the blue chip offensive talent that our team could use. I think we have enough 2 way rounded players (Crowder, Bradley, eventually Brown). I want a scorer to couple with IT, and I think Fultz has a greater chance to score 25ppg in the NBA than the others. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ball becomes a slightly better version of Rubio.
I have the same fear about Ball
Have seen very little from him in ability to drive and finish at the basket in the halfcourt
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
Well, worst record has a 64% chance of being top 3. Almost twice as likely as being the 4th pick. I guess it depends on your definition of 'likely'.
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my irrational fear is that we land #3 and take lonzo ball. not that he is a not a good player- i was just looking for the blue chip offensive talent that our team could use. I think we have enough 2 way rounded players (Crowder, Bradley, eventually Brown). I want a scorer to couple with IT, and I think Fultz has a greater chance to score 25ppg in the NBA than the others. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ball becomes a slightly better version of Rubio.
I have the same fear about Ball
Have seen very little from him in ability to drive and finish at the basket in the halfcourt
Yeah, we already have Smart for that. I'm confident that whatever happens on summer of 2017, we will walk away with a very good player.
We don't need more offensively inept players though, this is what leads to everyone playing hot potato with IT. That man needs someone to come in and save him from having to take so much punishment. I rather Josh Jackson or even Dennis Smith before taking the gamble on Ball. The way his team plays seems too miraculous sometimes.
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my irrational fear is that we land #3 and take lonzo ball. not that he is a not a good player- i was just looking for the blue chip offensive talent that our team could use. I think we have enough 2 way rounded players (Crowder, Bradley, eventually Brown). I want a scorer to couple with IT, and I think Fultz has a greater chance to score 25ppg in the NBA than the others. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ball becomes a slightly better version of Rubio.
I have the same fear about Ball
Have seen very little from him in ability to drive and finish at the basket in the halfcourt
Trifboy, I'm warming up to Jackson...I have Fultz in a tier by himself, but I think Jackson is my #2 now. I'm worried about Ball's release and lack of athleticism. He's great on fastbreaks, but not sure how effective he would be as a PG in a halfcourt set.
The great thing about Jackson is that he has been improving throughout the year. You can see it. My main concern is that he is an older prospect for a freshman. Fultz is basically a full year and a half younger.
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my irrational fear is that we land #3 and take lonzo ball. not that he is a not a good player- i was just looking for the blue chip offensive talent that our team could use. I think we have enough 2 way rounded players (Crowder, Bradley, eventually Brown). I want a scorer to couple with IT, and I think Fultz has a greater chance to score 25ppg in the NBA than the others. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Ball becomes a slightly better version of Rubio.
I have the same fear about Ball
Have seen very little from him in ability to drive and finish at the basket in the halfcourt
Trifboy, I'm warming up to Jackson...I have Fultz in a tier by himself, but I think Jackson is my #2 now. I'm worried about Ball's release and lack of athleticism. He's great on fastbreaks, but not sure how effective he would be as a PG in a halfcourt set.
The great thing about Jackson is that he has been improving throughout the year. You can see it. My main concern is that he is an older prospect for a freshman. Fultz is basically a full year and a half younger.
Both are solid prospects
And I think the third guy in the picture is Dennis Smith Jr. ... Short wingspan but is the kind of athlete/scorer Ainge/Cbs likes
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
What is it that you dont get.... He stated -
Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th
.
Does this sound statistically plausible to you?
It's not "statistically plausible" - it is the absolute truth. With the best lottery slot we would have a 36% chance at #4, which is higher than the odds of #1 (25%), #2 (21.5%), or #3 (18%).
This has been covered in dozens or perhaps hundreds of threads over the last few years.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
What is it that you dont get.... He stated -
Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th
.
Does this sound statistically plausible to you?
It's not "statistically plausible" - it is the absolute truth. With the best lottery slot we would have a 36% chance at #4, which is higher than the odds of #1 (25%), #2 (21.5%), or #3 (18%).
This has been covered in dozens or perhaps hundreds of threads over the last few years.
There have since been two remarks that point out why it is misleading to say it is most likely we will land at number 4, since is more likely we will land somewhere better than 4. Now 3.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
What is it that you dont get.... He stated -
Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th
.
Does this sound statistically plausible to you?
It's not "statistically plausible" - it is the absolute truth. With the best lottery slot we would have a 36% chance at #4, which is higher than the odds of #1 (25%), #2 (21.5%), or #3 (18%).
This has been covered in dozens or perhaps hundreds of threads over the last few years.
4th is the most likely, but to put it that way is misleading since we have a much better chance of landing 1, 2 or 3, taken as a whole, than 4.
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soooo what are the ripple effects of drafting Fultz? I'm thinking this current squad of guys might not like the move too much... could be a negative environment for him to come into as a rookie but in turn it could make Fultz a scary good player if the locker room politics forces him to shut everybody up with his play.
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soooo what are the ripple effects of drafting Fultz? I'm thinking this current squad of guys might not like the move too much... could be a negative environment for him to come into as a rookie but in turn it could make Fultz a scary good player if the locker room politics forces him to shut everybody up with his play.
Not at all. Fits in perfect imo and immediately takes Rozier's minutes, & might cut Smart's depending how he plays out of the box.
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soooo what are the ripple effects of drafting Fultz? I'm thinking this current squad of guys might not like the move too much... could be a negative environment for him to come into as a rookie but in turn it could make Fultz a scary good player if the locker room politics forces him to shut everybody up with his play.
Not at all. Fits in perfect imo and immediately takes Rozier's minutes, & might cut Smart's depending how he plays out of the box.
With the Celtics' spacing as opposed to the Washington Huskies' spacing, this kid is going to be a real problem when he'll have much more room to get shots off, especially sharing the floor with IT. I think the NBA allowing us to get the #1 pick could put Ainge in a bind with the key players on this team, guys on the squad probably are expecting Ainge to deal the pick for Cousins or somebody. I don't think they are expecting the help to come in the form of a rookie, maybe if he makes a minor trade for another starter(Vucevic) or in FA and then drafts Fultz it could end up looking like Danny is just playing both lanes like he's been doing so far.
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Don't know if someone mentioned this before but after watching Fultz play he reminded me of CJ McCollum. He is a scorer with the abillity to play PG but more of a SG. I think best comparison for Fultz is McCollum
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Don't know if someone mentioned this before but after watching Fultz play he reminded me of CJ McCollum. He is a scorer with the abillity to play PG but more of a SG. I think best comparison for Fultz is McCollum
Fultz appears to be a much better playmaker, averaging almost 3 times as many assists per minute as McCollum.
Fultz' athletic profile is far superior as well, as evidenced by the block numbers (0.3 vs 1.5 per 40), and measurables (6'3" and 6'6" wingspan vs. 6'4 and 6'9" wingspan).
I don't get the comp.
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Don't know if someone mentioned this before but after watching Fultz play he reminded me of CJ McCollum. He is a scorer with the abillity to play PG but more of a SG. I think best comparison for Fultz is McCollum
Exactly or Beal or a combination. Randy Foye also comes to mind (the one or two good season version)
Big game vs Ball and UCLA tomorrow
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Don't know if someone mentioned this before but after watching Fultz play he reminded me of CJ McCollum. He is a scorer with the abillity to play PG but more of a SG. I think best comparison for Fultz is McCollum
Fultz appears to be a much better playmaker, averaging almost 3 times as many assists per minute as McCollum.
Fultz' athletic profile is far superior as well, as evidenced by the block numbers (0.3 vs 1.5 per 40), and measurables (6'3" and 6'6" wingspan vs. 6'4 and 6'9" wingspan).
I don't get the comp.
I was talking about their style of play and not about their physical similarities. The way they shoot, the way they drive to the rim, the way they score... I saw similarities there. Maybe with 6'4 Fultz should play the PG position but he has all the tools to be great shooting guard or combo guard.
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Don't know if someone mentioned this before but after watching Fultz play he reminded me of CJ McCollum. He is a scorer with the abillity to play PG but more of a SG. I think best comparison for Fultz is McCollum
Fultz appears to be a much better playmaker, averaging almost 3 times as many assists per minute as McCollum.
Fultz' athletic profile is far superior as well, as evidenced by the block numbers (0.3 vs 1.5 per 40), and measurables (6'3" and 6'6" wingspan vs. 6'4 and 6'9" wingspan).
I don't get the comp.
I was talking about their style of play and not about their physical similarities. The way they shoot, the way they drive to the rim, the way they score... I saw similarities there. Maybe with 6'4 Fultz should play the PG position but he has all the tools to be great shooting guard or combo guard.
I think that is what is valuable about Fultz.
He has the offensive game (scoring wise I mean) similar to a CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal but ... unlike those two, Fultz is able to play the PG position. Both in terms of running the offense but also in terms of being able to defend and rebound their position (both McCollum and Beal are below average defender / rebounders).
That ability to play PG (offensively, defensively and rebounding wise) is what makes Fultz so much more valuable than either of those players.
It allows teams to maintain defensive integrity and quality rebounding. To field teams with physical size and length on the perimeter.
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Don't know if someone mentioned this before but after watching Fultz play he reminded me of CJ McCollum. He is a scorer with the abillity to play PG but more of a SG. I think best comparison for Fultz is McCollum
Fultz appears to be a much better playmaker, averaging almost 3 times as many assists per minute as McCollum.
Fultz' athletic profile is far superior as well, as evidenced by the block numbers (0.3 vs 1.5 per 40), and measurables (6'3" and 6'6" wingspan vs. 6'4 and 6'9" wingspan).
I don't get the comp.
I was talking about their style of play and not about their physical similarities. The way they shoot, the way they drive to the rim, the way they score... I saw similarities there. Maybe with 6'4 Fultz should play the PG position but he has all the tools to be great shooting guard or combo guard.
He's interchangeable, which is what I think Stevens would like of having a guy that can be plugged in at both guard spots as opposed to our current players that are either tied to the 1(Smart, IT4) or the 2(AB, Rozier), essentially by their own limitations.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
Well, worst record has a 64% chance of being top 3. Almost twice as likely as being the 4th pick. I guess it depends on your definition of 'likely'.
Given our past luck at ping pong balls, I would not be surprised if we ended up with the 4th.
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Matchup Video: Markelle Fultz vs. De'Anthony Melton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tSzis_ubyE
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
Well, worst record has a 64% chance of being top 3. Almost twice as likely as being the 4th pick. I guess it depends on your definition of 'likely'.
Given our past luck at ping pong balls, I would not be surprised if we ended up with the 4th.
take last year as a sign things are changing. Nets had the 3rd worst record and we got the third pick. I'd be perfectly happy having that trend continue this year where we end up with the pick that matches the Nets record in the standings
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Has this kid ever taken an uncontested shot? I don't know if I ever seen another player in the college ranks that has to play 1 vs 5 everyday like Post-Rape Charge Kobe..
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
Well, worst record has a 64% chance of being top 3. Almost twice as likely as being the 4th pick. I guess it depends on your definition of 'likely'.
Given our past luck at ping pong balls, I would not be surprised if we ended up with the 4th.
While that could be seen as a disappointment I prefer to think of it a different way. Very few folks agreed with me that the Brooklyn picks in 206-2018 had a strong chance of being lottery picks. So with that in mind, I see these picks as playing with house money. Would I rather see Fultz in green? You betcha. But I will try to not be terribly distraught if it's Ball, Jackson, Smith or Issac. All of those guys have star potential.
Fultz is going to be a good one no doubt, but I don't feel that missing on him would be like drawing #2 in the Timmy Duncan or Lebron sweepstakes. So while I'm rooting for #1, if it's 4 we're still likely to add a very good player to what is already a very good team.
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
Well, worst record has a 64% chance of being top 3. Almost twice as likely as being the 4th pick. I guess it depends on your definition of 'likely'.
Given our past luck at ping pong balls, I would not be surprised if we ended up with the 4th.
While that could be seen as a disappointment I prefer to think of it a different way. Very few folks agreed with me that the Brooklyn picks in 206-2018 had a strong chance of being lottery picks. So with that in mind, I see these picks as playing with house money. Would I rather see Fultz in green? You betcha. But I will try to not be terribly distraught if it's Ball, Jackson, Smith or Issac. All of those guys have star potential.
Fultz is going to be a good one no doubt, but I don't feel that missing on him would be like drawing #2 in the Timmy Duncan or Lebron sweepstakes. So while I'm rooting for #1, if it's 4 we're still likely to add a very good player to what is already a very good team.
The way I see it, we have about a 50/50 shot (slightly less) at getting a top two pick. To me, that is where there is separation in this draft. Fultz and Ball are projected to be future NBA All Stars based on their tier one ranking. Basically, the flip of the coin is going to determine if we get a projected future all star. Not a sure thing, but something to get excited about!!
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Check out this Instagram from Fultz...
shout out to IT
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQVguv9hZZG/?taken-by=markellefultz
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Check out this Instagram from Fultz...
shout out to IT
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQVguv9hZZG/?taken-by=markellefultz
Yeah, IT has been watching out for him as a UW alum.
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Check out this Instagram from Fultz...
shout out to IT
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQVguv9hZZG/?taken-by=markellefultz
Yeah, IT has been watching out for him as a UW alum.
Cool, I was wondering what is the connection.
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I read all these scout reports and lots of prospect rankings and they all tout this guy as the #1 prospect. I watch him and I see was he is rated highly. His games got no weaknesses. He can pass, shoot, make tough shots, defend, even rebound.
However, Ive never seen him play a "wow" game. Perhaps this is a product of his team, perhaps his talent is so immense that it just looks easy for him to drop 30 or make a tough shot. Maybe he is too good for my eye test. That said, I watch Lonzo Ball and its so easy to tell why some people believe he could be a superstar. You watch Josh Jackson and the same thing happens. He jumps off the page.
I dont get that feeling with Fultz. What am I missing here. Someone help me out.
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I read all these scout reports and lots of prospect rankings and they all tout this guy as the #1 prospect. I watch him and I see was he is rated highly. His games got no weaknesses. He can pass, shoot, make tough shots, defend, even rebound.
However, Ive never seen him play a "wow" game. Perhaps this is a product of his team, perhaps his talent is so immense that it just looks easy for him to drop 30 or make a tough shot. Maybe he is too good for my eye test. That said, I watch Lonzo Ball and its so easy to tell why some people believe he could be a superstar. You watch Josh Jackson and the same thing happens. He jumps off the page.
I dont get that feeling with Fultz. What am I missing here. Someone help me out.
He is missing the killer instinct of Jackson. He plays casually most of the time. With Jackson, you can clearly see the impact on his team. Fultz, despite impressive stat numbers doesn't seem to be much of a difference maker.
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I read all these scout reports and lots of prospect rankings and they all tout this guy as the #1 prospect. I watch him and I see was he is rated highly. His games got no weaknesses. He can pass, shoot, make tough shots, defend, even rebound.
However, Ive never seen him play a "wow" game. Perhaps this is a product of his team, perhaps his talent is so immense that it just looks easy for him to drop 30 or make a tough shot. Maybe he is too good for my eye test. That said, I watch Lonzo Ball and its so easy to tell why some people believe he could be a superstar. You watch Josh Jackson and the same thing happens. He jumps off the page.
I dont get that feeling with Fultz. What am I missing here. Someone help me out.
As someone who watches a lot of college bball and is a draft junkie the things that stand out the most to me:
* He makes incredibly tough shots look very easy. He doesn't seem to mind a hand in his face at all and will still hit the shot- even on threes.
*His offensive game is basically complete from around the basket, from 10-15 feet and 3 point range.
*His pick and roll ball handling ability is NBA level and he will find a shooter or hit a tough jumpshot.
*He finishes in transition with ease.
*He is like Harden in that he sees the play happening and adjusts before the defender figures out what he's going to do. This is something that can't be taught and to me, it's a superstar trait.
He's like a more complete version of Evan Turner but he actually hits his shots. ET's mid range game has always been great but Fultz finishes at the basket, gets to the line AND hits 3's- he's a complete offensive weapon a true scorer.
These aren't things that are new to you as you've mentioned them already, but the way in which he scores from mid range and 15 feet out at age 20 is truly astounding. Reminds me of Carmelo's ability to just hit ANYTHING from 10 feet out in college.
I also think he will benefit in the NBA from NBA spacing in the pick and roll.
But yeah, he just has a complete offensive game and a tough shot maker.
Like Isaiah, he repeatedly makes difficult shots that look so hard, but he does it so often that you expect it from him.
Good video on youtube from draft express talking about how advanced his pull up game is and his step back moves. Type in 'fultz strengths' to watch it.
Clear #1 for me right now. Only other scorer in the draft top 10 like this is Monk IMO.
Some people say he's not trying hard enough but I don't agree. He got angry vs UCLA that his team was so bad and decided to go at Ball in the 2nd half I think he hit 5 threes in the 2nd half too. His defensive potential is great because of his length and anticipation senses.
I haven't seen any other point guards in the NCAA make multiple chase down blocks which relates to the 'too casual' tag that some are giving him.
Even chasing down a block, he looks casual and like he's jogging back, then all of a sudden he explodes to pin the ball against the backboard, catches the rebound and then within 4 or 5 dribbles he's down the other end wreaking havoc in the paint or finding a shooter.
Hard to compare him to anyone.
For me he's a mix between Paul Pierce and James Harden. He hits tough shots like these guys but also has their craftiness but arguably more athleticism even though he's a bit smaller.
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Markelle Fultz (Washington) vs Arizona // 2.18.17 // 26 Pts, 6 Ast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMouijTk3iE
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
How about watching the player ? Analysis over stat columns doesn't make a player. There is a reason many scouts think he's the sure fire #1.
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
Um...Fultz's team does not really even have "one or two good players", the next best guy is most likely average at best. And also Bird's position can impact the game in more ways because he was tall enough to do most things like rebound, handle the ball, pass or score. Fultz does not have that ability of being able to pull off a lebron
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
Bringing up Larry Bird in 2017. Im sure Bird would dominate in the same way Fultz is and he would still be losing the same amount of games.
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1. Jackson or Ball
3. Fultz
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
I agree... Especially at the collegiate level.
He is already considered a top prospect but I dont understand how people are saying he is a game changer/franchise level prospect
Need to see proof first
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
I agree... Especially at the collegiate level.
He is already considered a top prospect but I dont understand how people are saying he is a game changer/franchise level prospect
Need to see proof first
Simply because he is the only good player on that team and yet he is putting up fantastic numbers. He is getting all the focus from the opposition.
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
I agree... Especially at the collegiate level.
He is already considered a top prospect but I dont understand how people are saying he is a game changer/franchise level prospect
Need to see proof first
Simply because he is the only good player on that team and yet he is putting up fantastic numbers. He is getting all the focus from the opposition.
That doesnt make you a game changer
Melo, Cousins get attention all the time.. yet their teams dont win
Multiple roster changes, coaching changes...it doesnt matter
Game changer, tier 1 prospect should be labelled with more scrutiny... There are only a few in the world
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Comparing college basketball in 1978 versus today is comparing apples and oranges.
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I think as we get closer to draft day Fultz stock will slip like Okafor from number one to 3 or 4. Just get that vibe about him. I think he will be a good NBA player but not a game changer like Ball or Jackson. Could even see Tatum getting drafted before him. We will see.
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Bringing up Larry Bird in 2017. Im sure Bird would dominate in the same way Fultz is and he would still be losing the same amount of games.
Bird took his team to the championship, in a time when game had guys who played four years. Then we take the issue of the college three pointer and Bird's shooting.
Taking that in consideration, I think he would do fine today. So I bet your not so sure now are you?
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Bringing up Larry Bird in 2017. Im sure Bird would dominate in the same way Fultz is and he would still be losing the same amount of games.
Bird took his team to the championship, in a time when game had guys who played four years. Then we take the issue of the college three pointer and Bird's shooting.
Taking that in consideration, I think he would do fine today. So I bet your not so sure now are you?
Im sure Birds Birds personal statistics would be great. Bird on the 2017 Washington Huskies wouldn't get them into the NCAA tournament.
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
I agree... Especially at the collegiate level.
He is already considered a top prospect but I dont understand how people are saying he is a game changer/franchise level prospect
Need to see proof first
Simply because he is the only good player on that team and yet he is putting up fantastic numbers. He is getting all the focus from the opposition.
That doesnt make you a game changer
Melo, Cousins get attention all the time.. yet their teams dont win
Multiple roster changes, coaching changes...it doesnt matter
Game changer, tier 1 prospect should be labelled with more scrutiny... There are only a few in the world
Everyone has their own definition of what a game changer means for them. On our Celtics roster, we don't need him to carry. We need talent on both ends of the floor, consistent talent. Im not sure there is anyone more talented than Markelle, who can play either guard spot. This type of talent can easily prove to be a game changer. Look at what Bradely Beal is doing along side John Wall after a few years. He is a Beal level type player IMO.
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Washington is 9-18 that makes think that he is more a guy piling up numbers on a bad team than a transcendent player.
http://www.gohuskies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=402
Bird's team had one or two good players besides him and yet he took them the championship game. Doesn't this alarm anyone? Good PG makes everyone around him better, is this happening here?
Let the excuses begin....
Um...Fultz's team does not really even have "one or two good players", the next best guy is most likely average at best. And also Bird's position can impact the game in more ways because he was tall enough to do most things like rebound, handle the ball, pass or score. Fultz does not have that ability of being able to pull off a lebron
Bird's team is relatively better than Fultz's team. Nowadays it is hard to solo-carry a team.
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1. Jackson or Ball
3. Fultz
Yes---that's where I'm at too. :)
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I love Fultz, but we need to cool our jets. Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th. Projecting Fultz to the C's at this early juncture is a recipe to be let down.
4th?? Lol
Not too likely
You've been on this board for how long now, and you still say things like this. I don't get it.
What is it that you dont get.... He stated -
Even if the Nets end up with the worst record in the league, the most likely spot for us to draft is 4th
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Does this sound statistically plausible to you?
It's not "statistically plausible" - it is the absolute truth. With the best lottery slot we would have a 36% chance at #4, which is higher than the odds of #1 (25%), #2 (21.5%), or #3 (18%).
This has been covered in dozens or perhaps hundreds of threads over the last few years.
4th is the most likely, but to put it that way is misleading since we have a much better chance of landing 1, 2 or 3, taken as a whole, than 4.
The only statistic that should matter--is that we have a BETTER chance at a Top Pick, than any other team.
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Bball breakdown on why Fultz is the number one pick...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHYCFBASl_4
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Bball breakdown on why Fultz is the number one pick...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHYCFBASl_4
TP, the kid is going to be special. I hope we get the #1 pick.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/markelle-fultz-turns-pro-after-a-season-destined-to-soon-be-forgotten-215149100.html
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Would really love to see the Celts draft this kid and pair him with Jaylen --full time, starter minutes.
Yes, I'm advocating rebuild mode. Yes, I'm saying ship IT and his phoney-baloney numbers outta town asap
The current Celts are deeply flawed and cannot beat the good teams of the East when those teams are healthy. It's been proven over and over again. It's like Groundhog day.
I wanna get off this carousel of mediocrity and go with a legit youth movement.
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Would really love to see the Celts draft this kid and pair him with Jaylen --full time, starter minutes.
Yes, I'm advocating rebuild mode. Yes, I'm saying ship IT and his phoney-baloney numbers outta town asap
The current Celts are deeply flawed and cannot beat the good teams of the East when those teams are healthy. It's been proven over and over again. It's like Groundhog day.
I wanna get off this carousel of mediocrity and go with a legit youth movement.
Really?
What Boston Celtics have achieved in the last year:
- Came within one game (GSW beating Cavs) of signing Kevin Durant
- Beat Cavs, Warriors
- Thomas having one of the greatest seasons in Celtics history
- Brad Stevens picked as All-Star coach
- Avery Bradley having All-Defence season
- Second in the East within two games of first
I've quite enjoyed our 'carousel of mediocrity'.
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If we win the lottery...
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Brown
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Not a bad lineup.
Or let's say we trade Bradley 2018 Nets pick + extras for Butler.
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Butler
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Based off talent alone, that's a real contender!!
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Would really love to see the Celts draft this kid and pair him with Jaylen --full time, starter minutes.
Yes, I'm advocating rebuild mode. Yes, I'm saying ship IT and his phoney-baloney numbers outta town asap
The current Celts are deeply flawed and cannot beat the good teams of the East when those teams are healthy. It's been proven over and over again. It's like Groundhog day.
I wanna get off this carousel of mediocrity and go with a legit youth movement.
Really?
What Boston Celtics have achieved in the last year:
- Came within one game (GSW beating Cavs) of signing Kevin Durant
- Beat Cavs, Warriors
- Thomas having one of the greatest seasons in Celtics history
- Brad Stevens picked as All-Star coach
- Avery Bradley having All-Defence season
- Second in the East within two games of first
I've quite enjoyed our 'carousel of mediocrity'.
I completely disagree with the idea that we are on a carousel of mediocrity, but some of your points are shaky.
Weve beaten the Cavs and Warriors 2x each which is nice, but despite their dominance, those franchises have combined to lose 70 games in the last 2 seasons.
Its possible KD signs here if GSW win, but its not a fact.
Thomas has been good, but great seasons and mediocrity are far from mutually exclusive. Pierces '06 season was brilliant. We werent very good.
Brad wasnt picked. 2nd place coaching staff goes by default.
All-defense is whatever.
This one is very good point.
You cant be on a carousel of mediocrity when you are about to cash in on your second consecutive top 4 pick. Even if we were a 30 win team, we wouldnt be on the carousel of mediocrity. We are in danger of being on the carousel of really really good and with some luck we could find ourselves on the carousel of championship contention.
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Fultz forces a trade of one of the guards which sucks, but he seems like a stud.
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If we win the lottery...
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Brown
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Not a bad lineup.
Or let's say we trade Bradley 2018 Nets pick + extras for Butler.
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Butler
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Based off talent alone, that's a real contender!!
Probably one of Danny's Plans
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If we win the lottery I'd pick Jackson or Ball. Both of them seem more like top line talents than Fultz to me.
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Fultz reminds me of Derek Rose, and not sure how I feel about that.
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Fultz reminds me of Derek Rose, and not sure how I feel about that.
Eh, not entirely. Both big point guards who have a knack for acrobatic finishes around the basket. Young Derrick Rose was a better athlete than Fultz (and was one of the most explosive athletes the NBA has ever had) but Fultz has a more well-rounded game IMO - slightly better passer and rebounder, much better shooter, more effort on defense than Rose ever gave.
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If we win the lottery...
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Brown
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Not a bad lineup.
Or let's say we trade Bradley 2018 Nets pick + extras for Butler.
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Butler
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Based off talent alone, that's a real contender!!
Fultz won't start next year. Its just not happening.
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If we win the lottery...
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Brown
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Not a bad lineup.
Or let's say we trade Bradley 2018 Nets pick + extras for Butler.
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Butler
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Based off talent alone, that's a real contender!!
Fultz won't start next year. Its just not happening.
If Avery is traded, I think its likely Fultz starts next to Isaiah by the end of the season.
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Would really love to see the Celts draft this kid and pair him with Jaylen --full time, starter minutes.
Yes, I'm advocating rebuild mode. Yes, I'm saying ship IT and his phoney-baloney numbers outta town asap
The current Celts are deeply flawed and cannot beat the good teams of the East when those teams are healthy. It's been proven over and over again. It's like Groundhog day.
I wanna get off this carousel of mediocrity and go with a legit youth movement.
Really?
What Boston Celtics have achieved in the last year:
- Came within one game (GSW beating Cavs) of signing Kevin Durant
- Beat Cavs, Warriors
- Thomas having one of the greatest seasons in Celtics history
- Brad Stevens picked as All-Star coach
- Avery Bradley having All-Defence season
- Second in the East within two games of first
I've quite enjoyed our 'carousel of mediocrity'.
How many playoff games have the Celtics won in the last few years?? Like two??
Playoff series?? Zero....
Not sure what definition of mediocrity you go by.
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If we win the lottery...
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Brown
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Not a bad lineup.
Or let's say we trade Bradley 2018 Nets pick + extras for Butler.
1 IT
2 Fultz
3 Butler
4 Griffin (FA)
5 Horford
Based off talent alone, that's a real contender!!
Fultz won't start next year. Its just not happening.
Are you privy to Brad and Danny's conversations?
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Would really love to see the Celts draft this kid and pair him with Jaylen --full time, starter minutes.
Yes, I'm advocating rebuild mode. Yes, I'm saying ship IT and his phoney-baloney numbers outta town asap
The current Celts are deeply flawed and cannot beat the good teams of the East when those teams are healthy. It's been proven over and over again. It's like Groundhog day.
I wanna get off this carousel of mediocrity and go with a legit youth movement.
Really?
What Boston Celtics have achieved in the last year:
- Came within one game (GSW beating Cavs) of signing Kevin Durant
- Beat Cavs, Warriors
- Thomas having one of the greatest seasons in Celtics history
- Brad Stevens picked as All-Star coach
- Avery Bradley having All-Defence season
- Second in the East within two games of first
I've quite enjoyed our 'carousel of mediocrity'.
How many playoff games have the Celtics won in the last few years?? Like two??
Playoff series?? Zero....
Not sure what definition of mediocrity you go by.
carousel implies going in circles.
3 years ago we won 25(?) games and didnt make the playoffs
2 years ago we won 40 and won 0 playoff games
last year we won 48 games and won 2 playoff games
this year we are on pace for 51 games and cant be blamed for failing to win playoff games that wont happen for another month.
Where is the carousel? Is the implication that next year we go back to a 40 win team?
this is absurd. We have improved every year and have even improved our playoff performance every year.
Find me the carousel.
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If Bradley is on the team, he starts. If not and Brown is on the team, he starts. If they are both gone, Smart starts. Fultz will be brought along like Brown this year. Slow and in a bench learning role unless someone gets hurt. Its just the way Stevens does things.
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If Bradley is on the team, he starts. If not and Brown is on the team, he starts. If they are both gone, Smart starts. Fultz will be brought along like Brown this year. Slow and in a bench learning role unless someone gets hurt. Its just the way Stevens does things.
I wouldn't pin it on Stevens. That is typical for rookies when teams aren't garbage.
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If Bradley is on the team, he starts. If not and Brown is on the team, he starts. If they are both gone, Smart starts. Fultz will be brought along like Brown this year. Slow and in a bench learning role unless someone gets hurt. Its just the way Stevens does things.
I wouldn't pin it on Stevens. That is typical for rookies when teams aren't garbage.
Very true..its very much NBA culture when you don't suck.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfNbPh3ErU -Strengths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuCO7UzWqo - Weaknesses
Draft Express has loaded its scouting clips of Markelle Fultz today.
He plays with such incredible amounts of skill at such a young age, that it is unbelievable we would be in a position to draft a player of this caliber. He is everything you want from a lead guard in the modern NBA. He is huge by even current NBA standards. Standing at 6'4 or 6'5 he ranks in the upper most tier for height. Combine that with his huge wingspan (6'10) and he is able to make highlight plays over other players. His pull up game and off the ball shot creation are amazing to watch, and his ability to finish through traffic is very Kyrie Esque. However one of his best attributes appears to be creating out of the pick and roll. He can shoot over sagging bigs, take a hard close out to the rim, split a trap using both behind the back and tight dribble moves; he also can find rollers, poppers, cutters, and weak side 3pt shooters. He is amazing running the P and R, which is really what it comes down to.
His major weakness seems to be his focus on the defensive end. While he has all of the phyiscal and mental tools to be great at defense, it almost looks like he can be asleep at the wheel at times. Hopefully having Stevens and Smart riding him at practice would help mold him into the prime of what he can be, instead of crashing him into the ground.
Overall, the videos are a good watch. He has been at the top of his class so long, it almost seems like I have forgotten just how talented he really is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfNbPh3ErU -Strengths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuCO7UzWqo - Weaknesses
Draft Express has loaded its scouting clips of Markelle Fultz today.
He plays with such incredible amounts of skill at such a young age, that it is unbelievable we would be in a position to draft a player of this caliber. He is everything you want from a lead guard in the modern NBA. He is huge by even current NBA standards. Standing at 6'4 or 6'5 he ranks in the upper most tier for height. Combine that with his huge wingspan (6'10) and he is able to make highlight plays over other players. His pull up game and off the ball shot creation are amazing to watch, and his ability to finish through traffic is very Kyrie Esque. However one of his best attributes appears to be creating out of the pick and roll. He can shoot over sagging bigs, take a hard close out to the rim, split a trap using both behind the back and tight dribble moves; he also can find rollers, poppers, cutters, and weak side 3pt shooters. He is amazing running the P and R, which is really what it comes down to.
His major weakness seems to be his focus on the defensive end. While he has all of the phyiscal and mental tools to be great at defense, it almost looks like he can be asleep at the wheel at times. Hopefully having Stevens and Smart riding him at practice would help mold him into the prime of what he can be, instead of crashing him into the ground.
Overall, the videos are a good watch. He has been at the top of his class so long, it almost seems like I have forgotten just how talented he really is.
His effort/intensity problems will not persist through practices with Smart, Crowder, Bradley, and Rozier hawking him every chance they get. You cannot be lackadaisical with those guys looking to take the ball from you. Even Brown will punish an unfocused dribbler.
He will THRIVE with more space. I think he's head and shoulders above everyone else in the draft. I think this is a 1 player draft.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfNbPh3ErU -Strengths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuCO7UzWqo - Weaknesses
Draft Express has loaded its scouting clips of Markelle Fultz today.
He plays with such incredible amounts of skill at such a young age, that it is unbelievable we would be in a position to draft a player of this caliber. He is everything you want from a lead guard in the modern NBA. He is huge by even current NBA standards. Standing at 6'4 or 6'5 he ranks in the upper most tier for height. Combine that with his huge wingspan (6'10) and he is able to make highlight plays over other players. His pull up game and off the ball shot creation are amazing to watch, and his ability to finish through traffic is very Kyrie Esque. However one of his best attributes appears to be creating out of the pick and roll. He can shoot over sagging bigs, take a hard close out to the rim, split a trap using both behind the back and tight dribble moves; he also can find rollers, poppers, cutters, and weak side 3pt shooters. He is amazing running the P and R, which is really what it comes down to.
His major weakness seems to be his focus on the defensive end. While he has all of the phyiscal and mental tools to be great at defense, it almost looks like he can be asleep at the wheel at times. Hopefully having Stevens and Smart riding him at practice would help mold him into the prime of what he can be, instead of crashing him into the ground.
Overall, the videos are a good watch. He has been at the top of his class so long, it almost seems like I have forgotten just how talented he really is.
His effort/intensity problems will not persist through practices with Smart, Crowder, Bradley, and Rozier hawking him every chance they get. You cannot be lackadaisical with those guys looking to take the ball from you. Even Brown will punish an unfocused dribbler.
He will THRIVE with more space. I think he's head and shoulders above everyone else in the draft. I think this is a 1 player draft.
It is amazing what he can do at his age. The sky is the limit, and I agree that if we get #1, we shouldn't even blink twice.
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What was causing his knee soreness? That's the only thing that has been worrying me about Fultz.
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new Fultz draftexpress breakdown video. God I hope we get the #1 pick. Onnnneee tiiimmmeeeee....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfNbPh3ErU
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Can he wear Ray's number or is it restricted?
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Does anyone know anything about Markelle's character? Any interesting human interest articles about him?
With the Lonzo circus continuing unabated, seems critical we get the top pick. Pick 2 might force our hand to take Lonzo, and Pick 3 seems a dropoff..
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Does anyone know anything about Markelle's character? Any interesting human interest articles about him?
With the Lonzo circus continuing unabated, seems critical we get the top pick. Pick 2 might force our hand to take Lonzo, and Pick 3 seems a dropoff..
Actually the rise of Jackson makes this a top 3 draft. Tatum is the wild card.
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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:
Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles
Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.
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new Fultz draftexpress breakdown video. God I hope we get the #1 pick. Onnnneee tiiimmmeeeee....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfNbPh3ErU
I'm afraid to watch it.
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:
Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles
Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.
Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.
You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
Fox I'll give you he's John Wall fast. Smith he's explosive, but he sucks, so who cares. You watch that guy play? Opposite of a winner in my humble opinion.😉
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.
You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.
Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.
You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.
Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
whoa whoa whoa
I never said I like those guys better. I dont.
For me Fultz is #1. Miles ahead of Smith and Fox (who I have 8th and 5th). I just dont think he has elite burst and I dont think hes explosive in the half-court.
Why cant we criticize(or in this case claim a player is not elite in one aspect of his game) a player and still like him.
Lebron isnt an elite shooter. Does that mean I dont want Lebron?
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.
You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.
Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
whoa whoa whoa
I never said I like those guys better. I dont.
For me Fultz is #1. Miles ahead of Smith and Fox (who I have 8th and 5th). I just dont think he has elite burst and I dont think hes explosive in the half-court.
Why cant we criticize(or in this case claim a player is not elite in one aspect of his game) a player and still like him.
Lebron isnt an elite shooter. Does that mean I dont want Lebron?
All I'm saying is that his burst, first step, explosiveness, is there. He plays at different speeds and shifts gears that's part of what makes him virtually unguardable.
Make no mistake about it the burst on Fultz is there. If you don't Know you better ask somebody lol.
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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:
Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles
Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.
Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.
Jackson - 56.6 FT%
Tatum - 84.9 FT%
Jackson - Shooting form needs work to say the least
Tatum - solid shooting form
Jackson - 20.1 years old
Tatum - 19.1 years old
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You don't have to be a Russell Westbrook or John Wall type of explosive athlete to be elite. James Harden may very well be the MVP and that's who Fultz gets compared to most out of any current player. Though I think he's clearly more athletic than some people in here are giving him credit for.
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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:
Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles
Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.
Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.
Jackson - 56.6 FT%
Tatum - 84.9 FT%
Jackson - Shooting form needs work to say the least
Tatum - solid shooting form
Jackson - 20.1 years old
Tatum - 19.1 years old
exactly. Jackson is relatively old for a modern lottery rookie and hasn't learned how to shoot right or even easy free throws. I think that's worse than Shaq and deandre Jordan. It's alarming
If Jackson had a good shot I would be more comfortable taking him. Do we really need another non-shooter to put next to Marcus smart and jaylen brown?
Fultz and Tatum can shoot. For Tatums weaknesses, make him practice 3 pointers and lock him in the gym. At least athleticism can be solved working out. Jacksons shot hasn't been fixed in a decade since he's played ball
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Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.
They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.
He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.
Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.
https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI
Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.
https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.
I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.
hes elite in neither of those categories.
Smith Jr. and Fox are.
can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.
can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.
I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.
You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.
Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
whoa whoa whoa
I never said I like those guys better. I dont.
For me Fultz is #1. Miles ahead of Smith and Fox (who I have 8th and 5th). I just dont think he has elite burst and I dont think hes explosive in the half-court.
Why cant we criticize(or in this case claim a player is not elite in one aspect of his game) a player and still like him.
Lebron isnt an elite shooter. Does that mean I dont want Lebron?
All I'm saying is that his burst, first step, explosiveness, is there. He plays at different speeds and shifts gears that's part of what makes him virtually unguardable.
Make no mistake about it the burst on Fultz is there. If you don't Know you better ask somebody lol.
yeah, but they arent elite.
I dont think he is a "wow" type athlete in the half-court.
James Harden isnt either. Neither is Kyrie Irving.
Thats all Im saying. Im not "hating" on Fultz. I think he is the best prospect and a really really good athlete.
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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:
Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles
Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.
Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.
Jackson - 56.6 FT%
Tatum - 84.9 FT%
Jackson - Shooting form needs work to say the least
Tatum - solid shooting form
Jackson - 20.1 years old
Tatum - 19.1 years old
exactly. Jackson is relatively old for a modern lottery rookie and hasn't learned how to shoot right or even easy free throws. I think that's worse than Shaq and deandre Jordan. It's alarming
If Jackson had a good shot I would be more comfortable taking him. Do we really need another non-shooter to put next to Marcus smart and jaylen brown?
Fultz and Tatum can shoot. For Tatums weaknesses, make him practice 3 pointers and lock him in the gym. At least athleticism can be solved working out. Jacksons shot hasn't been fixed in a decade since he's played ball
Athleticism cant be solved.
Tatum's range can be extended and he can add strength.
Jackson is more likely to figure out how to shoot than Tatum is likely to substantially improve his athleticism.
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You're wrong.
There's no way jackson gets better at shooting. Even if he does, tatums shooting is already years advanced ahead of jackson even as Tatum is younger
Look at kevin durant. He couldn't do 1 rep at the camp For 180 lbs as a rookie.
http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925
According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.
Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33½ inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.
Now Durant is very strong and fast.
Meanwhile, the list of bad shooters who stay as bad shooters is longer than those who became good.shooters.
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You're wrong.
There's no way jackson gets better at shooting. Even if he does, tatums shooting is already years advanced ahead of jackson even as Tatum is younger
Look at kevin durant. He couldn't do 1 rep at the camp For 180 lbs as a rookie.
http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925
According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.
Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33½ inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.
Now Durant is very strong and fast.
Meanwhile, the list of bad shooters who stay as bad shooters is longer than those who became good.shooters.
strength can absolutely be improved, but I think a player is far more likely to fix their jumper than they are substantially improve their quickness or explosiveness.
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You're wrong.
There's no way jackson gets better at shooting. Even if he does, tatums shooting is already years advanced ahead of jackson even as Tatum is younger
Look at kevin durant. He couldn't do 1 rep at the camp For 180 lbs as a rookie.
http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925
According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.
Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33½ inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.
Now Durant is very strong and fast.
Meanwhile, the list of bad shooters who stay as bad shooters is longer than those who became good.shooters.
strength can absolutely be improved, but I think a player is far more likely to fix their jumper than they are substantially improve their quickness or explosiveness.
Fair enough. In the end, the draft is just another gamble where luck is involved in the process of who is a star and who isnt
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I feel like the thing that is underestimated about Fultz is that wingspan. With that 6'10 wingspan it is really, really hard to bother his shot. He can shoot those jumpers at will. And he is so crafty and good at creating space that it's almost an impossibility to bother his shot.
He may not have Wall-level athleticism, but he appears to have Harden-level athleticism. The ability to change gears, the elusiveness and handle to create his own shot. That will drive defense nuts more than just straight line speed.
And to top that all off, his passing is incredible. Because the defense must respect his shot and his ability to dribble to create his shot, it becomes even more devastating when he passes it to the open man. You know the way Horford has made our shooters even more efficient with his great passing as a big man? Add Fultz to the equation and we might just "break the game". It's the TILT sign on the pinball machine. It would be a LOT of fun to watch Fultz added to this offense and see how Stevens could utilize him.
Defensively he has the tools to deny and bother opposing guards. 6'10 wingspan, high steal and block rate for his position. Just needs to learn how to lockdown and he would have able mentors to go against every day in practice in Bradley and Smart.
I gotta say, even if Guard isn't a need, if we land the #1 pick, we have to pick Fultz. He's the definition of mismatch. And in a world where shooters are favored, he could have a Curry-like or Harden-like impact for our team!
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I feel like the thing that is underestimated about Fultz is that wingspan. With that 6'10 wingspan it is really, really hard to bother his shot. He can shoot those jumpers at will. And he is so crafty and good at creating space that it's almost an impossibility to bother his shot.
He may not have Wall-level athleticism, but he appears to have Harden-level athleticism. The ability to change gears, the elusiveness and handle to create his own shot. That will drive defense nuts more than just straight line speed.
And to top that all off, his passing is incredible. Because the defense must respect his shot and his ability to dribble to create his shot, it becomes even more devastating when he passes it to the open man. You know the way Horford has made our shooters even more efficient with his great passing as a big man? Add Fultz to the equation and we might just "break the game". It's the TILT sign on the pinball machine. It would be a LOT of fun to watch Fultz added to this offense and see how Stevens could utilize him.
Defensively he has the tools to deny and bother opposing guards. 6'10 wingspan, high steal and block rate for his position. Just needs to learn how to lockdown and he would have able mentors to go against every day in practice in Bradley and Smart.
I gotta say, even if Guard isn't a need, if we land the #1 pick, we have to pick Fultz. He's the definition of mismatch. And in a world where shooters are favored, he could have a Curry-like or Harden-like impact for our team!
TP on the wingspan. Also, he has a 8'6''-8'7'' standing reach; which for a pg(or even sg) is insane and will help him get his jumper off over other players.
As far as pg's go Fultz is the longest and most talented I have seen come into the draft. His length should make him a terror defensively.
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I love when draftniks get sooooo much into the measurables on players and forget that these players actually have to play the game. IT has horrible measurables. AB does too. KO's aren't much better. But all three, all these years later are measured by talent and production. Maybe we should put more stock in ability to play the game and less in measurables? Does Fultz or any prospect have the talent to make the most of his body? Thats the question we should be asking and stop drooling over measurables.
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I love when draftniks get sooooo much into the measurables on players and forget that these players actually have to play the game. IT has horrible measurables. AB does too. KO's aren't much better. But all three, all these years later are measured by talent and production. Maybe we should put more stock in ability to play the game and less in measurables? Does Fultz or any prospect have the talent to make the most of his body? Thats the question we should be asking and stop drooling over measurables.
Tp, Exactly.
Which is why Ball is overlooked by too many here.
The guy is a winner with classic intangibles.
People think Fox dominated him TWICE. They're wrong.
That first game when UCLA went into Rupp, Fox dominated the first 10 minutes. After that, Ball LED his team back to beat KY in Lexington, highlighted by a fadeaway 3 to end the first half.
No easy feat beating 'Cats at home. Ball did it.
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Fultz has an NBA body already.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_G0CFAUIAEhVCs.jpg)
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Fultz has an NBA body already.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_G0CFAUIAEhVCs.jpg)
I'd say he is the only player in the draft who is already physically NBA ready and has NBA ready skills. Tatum is close behind, but Ball is too frail and Jackson is too raw.
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Fultz has an NBA body already.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_G0CFAUIAEhVCs.jpg)
Wow. He looks ripped.
I think he has all the tools both physically and as far as basketball skills.
I hope we are fortunate enough to draft him.
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Fultz has an NBA body already.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_G0CFAUIAEhVCs.jpg)
Everyone looks hacked immediately after lifting.
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You don't have to be a Russell Westbrook or John Wall type of explosive athlete to be elite. James Harden may very well be the MVP and that's who Fultz gets compared to most out of any current player. Though I think he's clearly more athletic than some people in here are giving him credit for.
I would call Fultz an elite athlete.
He's fast and has elite body control.
Has bounce of one or two feet which many players can't do both.
Also changes speed at an elite level which most agree is far more important than just speed.
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Fultz has an NBA body already.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_G0CFAUIAEhVCs.jpg)
I'd say he is the only player in the draft who is already physically NBA ready and has NBA ready skills. Tatum is close behind, but Ball is too frail and Jackson is too raw.
I don't like Ball, I do not want Ball, but what is written about him here was written years ago about another ucla player. That player is in the Basketball Hall of Fame today.
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Fultz has an NBA body already.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_G0CFAUIAEhVCs.jpg)
I'd say he is the only player in the draft who is already physically NBA ready and has NBA ready skills. Tatum is close behind, but Ball is too frail and Jackson is too raw.
I don't like Ball, I do not want Ball, but what is written about him here was written years ago about another ucla player. That player is in the Basketball Hall of Fame today.
Reggie Miller?
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Pretty crazy that in 8 days the lottery happens
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not that this is important, but it is news.
Jonathan GivonyVerified account @DraftExpress 14m14 minutes ago
Source: The Boston Celtics front office will be interviewing projected #1 pick Markelle Fultz this evening at the NBA Combine.
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I don't like Ball, I do not want Ball, but what is written about him here was written years ago about another ucla player. That player is in the Basketball Hall of Fame today.
No Ball, his father, or his thousand-dollar shoe. Ugh.
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not that this is important, but it is news.
Jonathan GivonyVerified account @DraftExpress 14m14 minutes ago
Source: The Boston Celtics front office will be interviewing projected #1 pick Markelle Fultz this evening at the NBA Combine.
Besides 2nd round talent I wonder just how many of the top talent Boston will bring in to interview and workout if they get the top puck or pick #2. top.
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If we get top pick, I would think we would bring in the top 4 guys. And all 4 would come, naturally.
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If we get top pick, I would think we would bring in the top 4 guys. And all 4 would come, naturally.
maybe bring in top 10 to 12, for a pair of reasons.
one, ainge may find someone he likes more than the "usual suspects." work outs may make a difference and move a player up or down on the celtics' list.
two, a trade may come up that has the celtics trading down in the draft. so ainge will want to be prepared, just in case.
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If we get top pick, I would think we would bring in the top 4 guys. And all 4 would come, naturally.
maybe bring in top 10 to 12, for a pair of reasons.
one, ainge may find someone he likes more than the "usual suspects." work outs may make a difference and move a player up or down on the celtics' list.
two, a trade may come up that has the celtics trading down in the draft. so ainge will want to be prepared, just in case.
Which is why I question how many players he brings in. If its just 4 or 5, he isn't trading down and if its just 1 or 2 maybe its just 3-5 players maybe its because he will make the pick for either the Celtics or someone else.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245916/Markelle-Fultz-Interviewing-With-Celtics-Lakers-76ers-Kings-Knicks
Interview at the combine!
Also, do the Lakers pick Lonzo before Ball??
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Also, do the Lakers pick Lonzo before Ball??
My guess, and I am usually right, is that they pick both at the same time ;D
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2 days left until lottery.
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2 days left until lottery.
Wyk better bring his fireworks to NYC on Tuesday :D
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I sincerely hope we land Fultz.
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I sincerely hope we land Fultz.
Same here
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In an Sports Illustrated feature, top NBA draft prospect Markelle Fultz lets us in on what makes him tick, from his budding rivalry with Lonzo Ball to the varsity snub that drives his greatness to how he still wrestles with his mom.
https://youtu.be/xGqcwRnHezs
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If we land him, I hope his knees are not shot.
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Markelle ....got game
thats all.
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If we land him, I hope his knees are not shot.
Yeah, I'm still not clear on what was wrong with his knees. Wasn't it just called soreness and not an actual injury? That's scary. It almost seems better if he had an injury and then recovered.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DHVAnrNlk
Not sure if this video has been posted or not. It's a couple months old, sooo..What amazes me is how square he is with the rim on ALL his shots, even the acrobatic ones. I know these are all "highlights" but I'm gonna have a big grin on my face if the first 13 cards pulled tomorrow aren't green (or is it still Brooklyn's pick officially? lol). He is EASILY the best player in this draft.
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Love fultz
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DHVAnrNlk
Not sure if this video has been posted or not. It's a couple months old, sooo..What amazes me is how square he is with the rim on ALL his shots, even the acrobatic ones. I know these are all "highlights" but I'm gonna have a big grin on my face if the first 13 cards pulled tomorrow aren't green (or is it still Brooklyn's pick officially? lol). He is EASILY the best player in this draft.
Looking at these highlights, I think I understand why the scouting report says he struggles against superior competition. He doesn't look too quick, too athletic, or too strong. Sure, he's crafty, but looks like he's far from a sure thing.
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Looking at these highlights, I think I understand why the scouting report says he struggles against superior competition. He doesn't look too quick, too athletic, or too strong. Sure, he's crafty, but looks like he's far from a sure thing.
Koz, who would your pick be if the C's landed the #1 pick?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DHVAnrNlk
Not sure if this video has been posted or not. It's a couple months old, sooo..What amazes me is how square he is with the rim on ALL his shots, even the acrobatic ones. I know these are all "highlights" but I'm gonna have a big grin on my face if the first 13 cards pulled tomorrow aren't green (or is it still Brooklyn's pick officially? lol). He is EASILY the best player in this draft.
Koz, who would your choice be if the C's landed the #1 pick?
Looking at these highlights, I think I understand why the scouting report says he struggles against superior competition. He doesn't look too quick, too athletic, or too strong. Sure, he's crafty, but looks like he's far from a sure thing.
Probably Fultz. I really hate the idea of Ball mostly because of the baggage he comes with. But I won't be disappointed with any of the top 5 prospects.
Then again, I don't really understand college basketball so what do I know :)
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Next year is going to be insane
Adding someone like fultz to our team is beyond great
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Brown and Fultz and Zizic and Nader ...Summer League ......OMG .....insane. ......
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DHVAnrNlk
Not sure if this video has been posted or not. It's a couple months old, sooo..What amazes me is how square he is with the rim on ALL his shots, even the acrobatic ones. I know these are all "highlights" but I'm gonna have a big grin on my face if the first 13 cards pulled tomorrow aren't green (or is it still Brooklyn's pick officially? lol). He is EASILY the best player in this draft.
Looking at these highlights, I think I understand why the scouting report says he struggles against superior competition. He doesn't look too quick, too athletic, or too strong. Sure, he's crafty, but looks like he's far from a sure thing.
To me Fultz looks like a point guard version of Pierce. He has that same slow look deceptive game. He can get his shot off in so many ways. Changes speeds and can pass and quickly pull up. He has an old school game but he's also very athletic. He's one of the few college players I've seen in years that looks like an NBA player in college. I think he could start right away. I'm very happy with this pick.
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Fultz is a huge guard. 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan at 19 years old. I can see him growing few inches and play 3 down the road.
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Fultz is a huge guard. 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan at 19 years old. I can see him growing few inches and play 3 down the road.
I can see that too and as I stated above Fultz reminds me of Pierce. I just rewatched a bunch of highlights and Fultz has all those Paul Pierce moves. I think it's uncanny but maybe it's just me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1fRDh5rjYo
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Brown and Fultz and Zizic and Nader ...Summer League ......OMG .....insane. ......
dang
i forgot about summer league
TP
and we get to watch more celtics bball tomorrow!!
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Brown and Fultz and Zizic and Nader ...Summer League ......OMG .....insane. ......
dang
i forgot about summer league
TP
and we get to watch more celtics bball tomorrow!!
Yabu should be there too right?
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This is the thing I worry about Fultz. Skills can be developed but mindset can't easily be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuCO7UzWqo
He needs to play like he's playing for a final roster spot here if he's the guy Danny is gonna pick him. I have yet to see him takeover in Washington. Seeing Kelly grow in this team kinda eased up my worries with his mindset but I don't know if he can be satisfied like Brown with limited touches on the bench.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DHVAnrNlk
Not sure if this video has been posted or not. It's a couple months old, sooo..What amazes me is how square he is with the rim on ALL his shots, even the acrobatic ones. I know these are all "highlights" but I'm gonna have a big grin on my face if the first 13 cards pulled tomorrow aren't green (or is it still Brooklyn's pick officially? lol). He is EASILY the best player in this draft.
awesome vid
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Early in his career, Markelle is going to be forced to play tough defense. He has the physicals tools (excellent frame, length, athleticism) to be an elite defender. He's going to be a devastating offensive force, so if he actually develops defensively, we could have a truly transcendent superstar on our hands.
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I know this has been posted, but this article from SI cemented Fultz as my pick for this draft.
http://sportsillustrated.com.ph/US/nba/2017/04/18/markelle-fultz-profile-nba-draft-washington-dc-lonzo-ball (http://sportsillustrated.com.ph/US/nba/2017/04/18/markelle-fultz-profile-nba-draft-washington-dc-lonzo-ball)
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Early in his career, Markelle is going to be forced to play tough defense. He has the physicals tools (excellent frame, length, athleticism) to be an elite defender. He's going to be a devastating offensive force, so if he actually develops defensively, we could have a truly transcendent superstar on our hands.
Couldn't agree more. It's a perfect marriage for both sides.
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Early in his career, Markelle is going to be forced to play tough defense. He has the physicals tools (excellent frame, length, athleticism) to be an elite defender. He's going to be a devastating offensive force, so if he actually develops defensively, we could have a truly transcendent superstar on our hands.
Couldn't agree more. It's a perfect marriage for both sides.
I'm sooooooooooo excited. Markelle Fultz, man. Should be a fun decade+.
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
He'll be 19 about the same time the C's get eliminated by the Cavs. Still, he's the youngest top prospect in the draft by at least a few months. He's not yet done growing, as you've seen lately, he's gotten bigger since his season ended. He'll be a solid 6'5. People say he's not that athletic. He's not MJ but he is so very smooth if you've watched enough of him. He lulls you to sleep and then you're toast. Also, as been mentioned several times, he was on the worst team in the PAC12. I've seen HS teams better than them. Can't blame him for not winning more games. He did his part, at 18 years old. PER of over 28 in 35 minutes of play.
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once he finishes growing and is put into pro training ( non Sully) eating programs . He ll be a load moving down hill though the paint.
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
He'll be 19 about the same time the C's get eliminated by the Cavs. Still, he's the youngest top prospect in the draft by at least a few months. He's not yet done growing, as you've seen lately, he's gotten bigger since his season ended. He'll be a solid 6'5. People say he's not that athletic. He's not MJ but he is so very smooth if you've watched enough of him. He lulls you to sleep and then you're toast. Also, as been mentioned several times, he was on the worst team in the PAC12. I've seen HS teams better than them. Can't blame him for not winning more games. He did his part, at 18 years old. PER of over 28 in 35 minutes of play.
People keep bringing this defense up. It's nonsense. He didn't end up there against his will.
I don't know much about college basketball, but even I can tell he had offers from multiple top programs and chose to go to the Huskies.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
He'll be 19 about the same time the C's get eliminated by the Cavs. Still, he's the youngest top prospect in the draft by at least a few months. He's not yet done growing, as you've seen lately, he's gotten bigger since his season ended. He'll be a solid 6'5. People say he's not that athletic. He's not MJ but he is so very smooth if you've watched enough of him. He lulls you to sleep and then you're toast. Also, as been mentioned several times, he was on the worst team in the PAC12. I've seen HS teams better than them. Can't blame him for not winning more games. He did his part, at 18 years old. PER of over 28 in 35 minutes of play.
People keep bringing this defense up. It's nonsense. He didn't end up there against his will.
I don't know much about college basketball, but even I can tell he had offers from multiple top programs and chose to go to the Huskies.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz
It's not an excuse, it's a fact so shut up!
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
He'll be 19 about the same time the C's get eliminated by the Cavs. Still, he's the youngest top prospect in the draft by at least a few months. He's not yet done growing, as you've seen lately, he's gotten bigger since his season ended. He'll be a solid 6'5. People say he's not that athletic. He's not MJ but he is so very smooth if you've watched enough of him. He lulls you to sleep and then you're toast. Also, as been mentioned several times, he was on the worst team in the PAC12. I've seen HS teams better than them. Can't blame him for not winning more games. He did his part, at 18 years old. PER of over 28 in 35 minutes of play.
People keep bringing this defense up. It's nonsense. He didn't end up there against his will.
I don't know much about college basketball, but even I can tell he had offers from multiple top programs and chose to go to the Huskies.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz
Then you should probably quit talking about it.
That said, to repeat myself from a couple of months ago:
1) Lorenzo Romar is a pretty good recruiter, and generally a very well-liked person. As a UW alum friend of mine told me recently (while advocating that Romar is a terrible coach) "If I had a son and wanted him to become a man, Lorenzo Romar is who I'd want teaching him."
2) Despite being a poor in-game coach, he's helped several players develop skills game for the NBA. Most notably, our own Isaiah Thomas, but he's got a lot of kids in the pros that were not 5-star recruits -- he's pretty overrepresented in the NBA given the caliber of players he had.
3) When Fultz committed, Dejounte Murray and Marqueese Chriss had yet to start their freshman years. Neither were expected to be one-and-dones, so when Fultz committed he presumed he'd have some talented teammates around him. Sure, he could have decommited when they turned pro, but I'm not going to fault a kid for a) honoring his commitment, or b) continuing to remain interested in a program that just put two freshmen into the 1st round of the NBA draft.
4) If NBA scouts aren't concerned about his school's record, why are you? He's not the first kid to have come out of a school that's had a terrible season, and he won't be the last. As you said, you don't know much about college basketball.
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Ive been reading a decent amount about Markelle Fultz and I love the way he carries himself. He seems extremely quiet and polite and almost passive, but it is so clear that he has the utmost confidence in himself.
In that SI article, he is very passive and polite talking about how he wants to guard all these different players, and his mom interrupts and says "it will make you better" his response, "they have to guard me too".
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
He'll be 19 about the same time the C's get eliminated by the Cavs. Still, he's the youngest top prospect in the draft by at least a few months. He's not yet done growing, as you've seen lately, he's gotten bigger since his season ended. He'll be a solid 6'5. People say he's not that athletic. He's not MJ but he is so very smooth if you've watched enough of him. He lulls you to sleep and then you're toast. Also, as been mentioned several times, he was on the worst team in the PAC12. I've seen HS teams better than them. Can't blame him for not winning more games. He did his part, at 18 years old. PER of over 28 in 35 minutes of play.
People keep bringing this defense up. It's nonsense. He didn't end up there against his will.
I don't know much about college basketball, but even I can tell he had offers from multiple top programs and chose to go to the Huskies.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz
Then you should probably quit talking about it.
That said, to repeat myself from a couple of months ago:
1) Lorenzo Romar is a pretty good recruiter, and generally a very well-liked person. As a UW alum friend of mine told me recently (while advocating that Romar is a terrible coach) "If I had a son and wanted him to become a man, Lorenzo Romar is who I'd want teaching him."
2) Despite being a poor in-game coach, he's helped several players develop skills game for the NBA. Most notably, our own Isaiah Thomas, but he's got a lot of kids in the pros that were not 5-star recruits -- he's pretty overrepresented in the NBA given the caliber of players he had.
3) When Fultz committed, Dejounte Murray and Marqueese Chriss had yet to start their freshman years. Neither were expected to be one-and-dones, so when Fultz committed he presumed he'd have some talented teammates around him. Sure, he could have decommited when they turned pro, but I'm not going to fault a kid for a) honoring his commitment, or b) continuing to remain interested in a program that just put two freshmen into the 1st round of the NBA draft.
4) If NBA scouts aren't concerned about his school's record, why are you? He's not the first kid to have come out of a school that's had a terrible season, and he won't be the last. As you said, you don't know much about college basketball.
wow. Kind of got owned there.
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Is there a concern/future concern?
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/washingtons-markelle-fultz-misses-third-game-due-sore-knee/
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From what I've read, he is most likely healed from that injury.
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From what I've read, he is most likely healed from that injury.
But does it concern you?
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I can't believe the kid is still only 18!! Unreal. (about to turn 19,but still!!)
He'll be 19 about the same time the C's get eliminated by the Cavs. Still, he's the youngest top prospect in the draft by at least a few months. He's not yet done growing, as you've seen lately, he's gotten bigger since his season ended. He'll be a solid 6'5. People say he's not that athletic. He's not MJ but he is so very smooth if you've watched enough of him. He lulls you to sleep and then you're toast. Also, as been mentioned several times, he was on the worst team in the PAC12. I've seen HS teams better than them. Can't blame him for not winning more games. He did his part, at 18 years old. PER of over 28 in 35 minutes of play.
People keep bringing this defense up. It's nonsense. He didn't end up there against his will.
I don't know much about college basketball, but even I can tell he had offers from multiple top programs and chose to go to the Huskies.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz
Then you should probably quit talking about it.
That said, to repeat myself from a couple of months ago:
1) Lorenzo Romar is a pretty good recruiter, and generally a very well-liked person. As a UW alum friend of mine told me recently (while advocating that Romar is a terrible coach) "If I had a son and wanted him to become a man, Lorenzo Romar is who I'd want teaching him."
2) Despite being a poor in-game coach, he's helped several players develop skills game for the NBA. Most notably, our own Isaiah Thomas, but he's got a lot of kids in the pros that were not 5-star recruits -- he's pretty overrepresented in the NBA given the caliber of players he had.
3) When Fultz committed, Dejounte Murray and Marqueese Chriss had yet to start their freshman years. Neither were expected to be one-and-dones, so when Fultz committed he presumed he'd have some talented teammates around him. Sure, he could have decommited when they turned pro, but I'm not going to fault a kid for a) honoring his commitment, or b) continuing to remain interested in a program that just put two freshmen into the 1st round of the NBA draft.
4) If NBA scouts aren't concerned about his school's record, why are you? He's not the first kid to have come out of a school that's had a terrible season, and he won't be the last. As you said, you don't know much about college basketball.
wow. Kind of got owned there.
Not kind od.. Totally!
As an additional point, if you read the article there's another factor why he chose the Huskies.
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I know it's not a strength now but he's got serious defensive potential.
Averaged 1 steal and 1 block per game!!
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In an Sports Illustrated feature, top NBA draft prospect Markelle Fultz lets us in on what makes him tick, from his budding rivalry with Lonzo Ball to the varsity snub that drives his greatness to how he still wrestles with his mom.
https://youtu.be/xGqcwRnHezs
Just watched this. It's excellent. I love this kid's attitude and demeanor. He seems like a Stevens guy.
I shouldn't do this, but I'm falling in love with Markelle Fultz.
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Please don't goof this up Danny :o
Just draft Fultz and be grateful the ping pong balls dropped in our favor.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
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Gonna keep watching fultz videos tonight
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Ball is a bust.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
He didn't make Varsity his sophomore year, and now most say the #1 pick. Thats pretty impressive. Ball and Jackson could be busts, none of us really know.
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Gonna keep watching fultz videos tonight
That's what I'm doing. The kid is going to be really good. He's shooting is amazing.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Nice try Lavar
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**** at this draft.
Fultz is so far ahead of this class and last years class Danny will be stupid not to draft him. He is a Celtic. He is so much better than Ball its not even close. The kid plays basketball effortlessly.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
He didn't make Varsity his sophomore year, and now most say the #1 pick. Thats pretty impressive. Ball and Jackson could be busts, none of us really know.
This may be the key to being an all time great. Not making varsity. Ask Jordan.
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**** at this draft.
Fultz is so far ahead of this class and last years class Danny will be stupid not to draft him. He is a Celtic. He is so much better than Ball its not even close. The kid plays basketball effortlessly.
I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Because if you mean effortless like the team did today, then I don't want that kind of talent.
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**** at this draft.
Fultz is so far ahead of this class and last years class Danny will be stupid not to draft him. He is a Celtic. He is so much better than Ball its not even close. The kid plays basketball effortlessly.
I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Because if you mean effortless like the team did today, then I don't want that kind of talent.
Effortless doesnt mean not exerting effort. It usually means, seemingly not requiring much effort, or with ease.
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I'm excited for Fultz.
The Celts are going to have two elite pick and roll ball-handlers who can score from anywhere.
Figuring out how to build around those guys now becomes the focus of our franchise.
It's an exciting position to be in.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Ball is a bust.
of those three, ball, to me, is the one with the biggest question marks about his game translating into the pros. i wish him luck but would not be surprised if he doesnt pan out well.
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We got the #1 pick!!! I'm so hyped!!! Markelle Fultz welcome to Boston!!
All the talk, that's just a smokescreen to build up our position. I'm going to bet you right now, Fultz is #1 on DA's list!!
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Ball is a bust.
I may be wrong, and often am, but Ball looks a little Austin Rivers like to me... Wasn't Austin really good in collage but now he's just a step slow in the NBA.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Ball is a bust.
I may be wrong, and often am, but Ball looks a little Austin Rivers like to me... Wasn't Austin really good in collage but now he's just a step slow in the NBA.
Ball is better then Rivers. Rivers is not a playmaker and has little court vision. Ball has eyes in the back of his head but Fultz can do it all.
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Ball is a bust.
I may be wrong, and often am, but Ball looks a little Austin Rivers like to me... Wasn't Austin really good in collage but now he's just a step slow in the NBA.
Ball is better then Rivers. Rivers is not a playmaker and has little court vision. Ball has eyes in the back of his head but Fultz can do it all.
Point taken, but Rivers was way better in college. Ball is a top notch passer for sure...
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Austin Rivers in a Markelle Fultz thread? Are you guys trolling?
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I'm betting this was a definitely a kick in the pants for Fultz. For kids with a ton of talent, it's that light bulb moment, where you know you can't take anything for granted, you gotta work for it. I'm betting Fultz is gonna be a great one. I'm so glad we FINALLY won the lottery!
Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
He didn't make Varsity his sophomore year, and now most say the #1 pick. Thats pretty impressive. Ball and Jackson could be busts, none of us really know.
This may be the key to being an all time great. Not making varsity. Ask Jordan.
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I'm excited for Fultz.
The Celts are going to have two elite pick and roll ball-handlers who can score from anywhere.
Figuring out how to build around those guys now becomes the focus of our franchise.
It's an exciting position to be in.
I've been thinking this as well.
IT4 and Markelle are going to have so much space and freedom for their drives, pull up jumpers, finishes, and threes.
How different this series would be if Thomas was healthy and there was someone who could take all that pressure off Isaiah.
Markelle will be that guy.
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Early in his career, Markelle is going to be forced to play tough defense. He has the physicals tools (excellent frame, length, athleticism) to be an elite defender. He's going to be a devastating offensive force, so if he actually develops defensively, we could have a truly transcendent superstar on our hands.
Yeah, it's the defense that could make him special...he has the measurables to be elite defensively.
If he can tap into 90% of his defensive potential, then he will be better than Russell, Dame, and Kyrie.
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Austin Rivers in a Markelle Fultz thread? Are you guys trolling?
I'm not trolling and I compared Rivers to Ball but I admitted it wasn't a good comparison... I'm just looking at Ball a little suspiciously. He looks like the classic Great college player/ middling NBA player. Ball just does not look that athletic to me. He's so thin( jewish mother in me)
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Ball is better and so is jackson. Fultz will be a bust. Quote me!
Ball is a bust.
I may be wrong, and often am, but Ball looks a little Austin Rivers like to me... Wasn't Austin really good in collage but now he's just a step slow in the NBA.
Ball is better then Rivers. Rivers is not a playmaker and has little court vision. Ball has eyes in the back of his head but Fultz can do it all.
Point taken, but Rivers was way better in college. Ball is a top notch passer for sure...
I'm not even a Ball fan, but he's clearly better than Rivers, and in no way was Rivers better than Ball was in college. Rivers was rated the top prospect out of high school, and was something of a disappointment in his sole year at Duke.
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A video that will get you hyped when thinking of what Fultz could do in the NBA:
https://youtu.be/cY6x5KAxfLc
To me the thing that will hold Ball back, and why he is the #2 prospect instead of the #1 is his jumpshot. It is really awkward looking and has a low release. This is probably the main culprit why he doesn't have a midrange game. He just can't with his current release, it is too easy to block. So he needs to shoot from deep to get off an accurate shot.
Lonzo's shooting form breakdown:
https://youtu.be/RSidKkWYweQ
Offensively, Fultz can do it all. I feel like he's going to be a fantastic Celtic. Like a mix of CP3 with a sprinkle of Curry's shooting thrown into the mix. ;-)
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More fuel for the Fultz fire...
On Celtics Beat podcast (5.21.17)...Sam Vecenie explains why he's one of the most complete offensive prospects he has scouted in past five years.
1. How does he rank? 1-Wall, 2-Fultz, 3-Kyrie, 4-Lillard
2. Will be a top ten offensive player in the NBA
3. Can score from all three levels
4. Really good passer (underrated)
5. Acrobatic finisher
6. Finish above the rim
7. Can leap off of one and two feet
8. Really good midrange game
9. Good shooter off screens
10. Good shooter off the dribble and catch
11. Unbelievable in the pick and roll
12. Can explode past switches
13. Has an advanced shake and wiggle
14. Has change of pace and great tempo
15. Has excellent BBIQ for pg position
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More fuel for the Fultz fire...
On Celtics Beat podcast (5.21.17)...Sam Vecenie explains why he's one of the most complete offensive prospects he has scouted in past five years.
1. How does he rank? 1-Wall, 2-Fultz, 3-Kyrie, 4-Lillard
2. Will be a top ten offensive player in the NBA
3. Can score from all three levels
4. Really good passer (underrated)
5. Acrobatic finisher
6. Finish above the rim
7. Can leap off of one and two feet
8. Really good midrange game
9. Good shooter off screens
10. Good shooter off the dribble and catch
11. Unbelievable in the pick and roll
12. Can explode past switches
13. Has an advanced shake and wiggle
14. Has change of pace and great tempo
15. Has excellent BBIQ for pg position
The thing I like about Fultz is, if everything pans out, he instantly makes the team more flexible and versatile in terms of lineups and adding other pieces. We are not a championship team, and are trying to get there, so we need some pieces. I love IT, but if you are looking at adding guys next to him, you really have to think about defense, size, etc. Fultz would erase those; you could really add almost any type of guard next to Fultz. He could be the bigger gaurd in a smallish ball lineup or be the true point guard. He may not be all-nba defense, but don't have to constantly worry about where to hide him. It makes it easier to just grab "pure talent" and fit it next to Fultz, whereas that same "pure talent" next to IT or Bradley or Smart, depending on the specifics of the "pure talent," could lead to some deficiencies.
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More fuel for the Fultz fire...
On Celtics Beat podcast (5.21.17)...Sam Vecenie explains why he's one of the most complete offensive prospects he has scouted in past five years.
1. How does he rank? 1-Wall, 2-Fultz, 3-Kyrie, 4-Lillard
2. Will be a top ten offensive player in the NBA
3. Can score from all three levels
4. Really good passer (underrated)
5. Acrobatic finisher
6. Finish above the rim
7. Can leap off of one and two feet
8. Really good midrange game
9. Good shooter off screens
10. Good shooter off the dribble and catch
11. Unbelievable in the pick and roll
12. Can explode past switches
13. Has an advanced shake and wiggle
14. Has change of pace and great tempo
15. Has excellent BBIQ for pg position
But he doesn't win games!
;D
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A video that will get you hyped when thinking of what Fultz could do in the NBA:
https://youtu.be/cY6x5KAxfLc
To me the thing that will hold Ball back, and why he is the #2 prospect instead of the #1 is his jumpshot. It is really awkward looking and has a low release. This is probably the main culprit why he doesn't have a midrange game. He just can't with his current release, it is too easy to block. So he needs to shoot from deep to get off an accurate shot.
Lonzo's shooting form breakdown:
https://youtu.be/RSidKkWYweQ
Offensively, Fultz can do it all. I feel like he's going to be a fantastic Celtic. Like a mix of CP3 with a sprinkle of Curry's shooting thrown into the mix. ;-)
Ball's shooting form may also be the reason NEVER Shot while moving to his right in college ball. Not even once. If that continues into the NBA he has a problem.
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A video that will get you hyped when thinking of what Fultz could do in the NBA:
https://youtu.be/cY6x5KAxfLc
To me the thing that will hold Ball back, and why he is the #2 prospect instead of the #1 is his jumpshot. It is really awkward looking and has a low release. This is probably the main culprit why he doesn't have a midrange game. He just can't with his current release, it is too easy to block. So he needs to shoot from deep to get off an accurate shot.
Lonzo's shooting form breakdown:
https://youtu.be/RSidKkWYweQ
Offensively, Fultz can do it all. I feel like he's going to be a fantastic Celtic. Like a mix of CP3 with a sprinkle of Curry's shooting thrown into the mix. ;-)
Ball's shooting form may also be the reason NEVER Shot while moving to his right in college ball. Not even once. If that continues into the NBA he has a problem.
He's so left eye dominant I suspect he'll always struggle with that.
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More fuel for the Fultz fire...
On Celtics Beat podcast (5.21.17)...Sam Vecenie explains why he's one of the most complete offensive prospects he has scouted in past five years.
1. How does he rank? 1-Wall, 2-Fultz, 3-Kyrie, 4-Lillard
2. Will be a top ten offensive player in the NBA
3. Can score from all three levels
4. Really good passer (underrated)
5. Acrobatic finisher
6. Finish above the rim
7. Can leap off of one and two feet
8. Really good midrange game
9. Good shooter off screens
10. Good shooter off the dribble and catch
11. Unbelievable in the pick and roll
12. Can explode past switches
13. Has an advanced shake and wiggle
14. Has change of pace and great tempo
15. Has excellent BBIQ for pg position
cannot wait to get this guy
My favorite thing here is not the physical but the mental. A high bb IQ and many weapons? Brad Stevens is gonna have a field day
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/24/boscle-game-4-news-markelle-fultz-scouting-report
Heard this from Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (who writes for SI occasionally). They talk about game 4 Bos/Clev and about Markelle Fultz.
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More fuel for the Fultz fire...
On Celtics Beat podcast (5.21.17)...Sam Vecenie explains why he's one of the most complete offensive prospects he has scouted in past five years.
1. How does he rank? 1-Wall, 2-Fultz, 3-Kyrie, 4-Lillard
2. Will be a top ten offensive player in the NBA
3. Can score from all three levels
4. Really good passer (underrated)
5. Acrobatic finisher
6. Finish above the rim
7. Can leap off of one and two feet
8. Really good midrange game
9. Good shooter off screens
10. Good shooter off the dribble and catch
11. Unbelievable in the pick and roll
12. Can explode past switches
13. Has an advanced shake and wiggle
14. Has change of pace and great tempo
15. Has excellent BBIQ for pg position
Link?
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More fuel for the Fultz fire...
On Celtics Beat podcast (5.21.17)...Sam Vecenie explains why he's one of the most complete offensive prospects he has scouted in past five years.
1. How does he rank? 1-Wall, 2-Fultz, 3-Kyrie, 4-Lillard
2. Will be a top ten offensive player in the NBA
3. Can score from all three levels
4. Really good passer (underrated)
5. Acrobatic finisher
6. Finish above the rim
7. Can leap off of one and two feet
8. Really good midrange game
9. Good shooter off screens
10. Good shooter off the dribble and catch
11. Unbelievable in the pick and roll
12. Can explode past switches
13. Has an advanced shake and wiggle
14. Has change of pace and great tempo
15. Has excellent BBIQ for pg position
Link?
http://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-98hdv-26215af
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Ahhhhh June 22nd can't come soon enough! Then 8 days after that Hayward will sign ;)
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Markelle Fultz gets his first Celtics gear (video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/carolmaloney4/status/866426986536857601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csnne.com%2Fboston-celtics%2Fwashington-anchor-gives-markelle-fultz-his-first-piece-celtics-apparel
"It's not luck!!!!"
Love how he holds it up like it's the draft and its his jersey lol
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/24/boscle-game-4-news-markelle-fultz-scouting-report
Heard this from Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (who writes for SI occasionally). They talk about game 4 Bos/Clev and about Markelle Fultz.
Their scouting report starts at 26:43.
10 takeaways from their analysis:
1 - He's worth the #1 pick
2 - Totally impressed and wowed by offensive skill level
3 - Absolutely tantalizing & legitimately special
4 - Elite dribble moves and separation
5 - Not on KAT level
6 - Would be #1 in most drafts
7 - Rewound film about 15 times to rewatch special highlights
8 - Unique style: bouncy and smooth
9 - Awesome spin moves and jaw dropping moves from the PnR and transition
10 - Will be fantastic in the Celtics system
Definitely worth a listen...Nate and Danny are good.
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Austin Rivers in a Markelle Fultz thread? Are you guys trolling?
I'm not trolling and I compared Rivers to Ball but I admitted it wasn't a good comparison... I'm just looking at Ball a little suspiciously. He looks like the classic Great college player/ middling NBA player. Ball just does not look that athletic to me. He's so thin( jewish mother in me)
You know who else was really thin at the same age? This guy. (https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1005/kevin.garnett.rare.photos/images/001344995.jpg)
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We don't have to worry about Fultz being too skinny. He has built up his body quite a bit.
Check out his shoulders and back as he takes shooting practice:
https://youtu.be/Oj788Dd7_Es
And I know he's flexing hard here, but he's definitely not a twig:
(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/screen-shot-2017-05-24-at-7-31-27-pm.png?w=640)
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Can we open the draft thread yet?
Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?
Going out and getting my Fultz portrait tattoo.
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We don't have to worry about Fultz being too skinny. He has built up his body quite a bit.
Check out his shoulders and back as he takes shooting practice:
https://youtu.be/Oj788Dd7_Es
And I know he's flexing hard here, but he's definitely not a twig:
(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/screen-shot-2017-05-24-at-7-31-27-pm.png?w=640)
how does that compare with the laker ball family? https://instagram.com/p/BTGHNo0D0SL/
Lol
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/24/boscle-game-4-news-markelle-fultz-scouting-report
Heard this from Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (who writes for SI occasionally). They talk about game 4 Bos/Clev and about Markelle Fultz.
Their scouting report starts at 26:43.
10 takeaways from their analysis:
1 - He's worth the #1 pick
2 - Totally impressed and wowed by offensive skill level
3 - Absolutely tantalizing & legitimately special
4 - Elite dribble moves and separation
5 - Not on KAT level
6 - Would be #1 in most drafts
7 - Rewound film about 15 times to rewatch special highlights
8 - Unique style: bouncy and smooth
9 - Awesome spin moves and jaw dropping moves from the PnR and transition
10 - Will be fantastic in the Celtics system
Definitely worth a listen...Nate and Danny are good.
...smh KAT isn't on Fultz's level tbh. KAT was a tantalizing prospect that was tier 1 but wasn't expected to come in and dominate. Fultz is expected to be the number one PG in his age group from day 1
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/24/boscle-game-4-news-markelle-fultz-scouting-report
Heard this from Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (who writes for SI occasionally). They talk about game 4 Bos/Clev and about Markelle Fultz.
Their scouting report starts at 26:43.
10 takeaways from their analysis:
1 - He's worth the #1 pick
2 - Totally impressed and wowed by offensive skill level
3 - Absolutely tantalizing & legitimately special
4 - Elite dribble moves and separation
5 - Not on KAT level
6 - Would be #1 in most drafts
7 - Rewound film about 15 times to rewatch special highlights
8 - Unique style: bouncy and smooth
9 - Awesome spin moves and jaw dropping moves from the PnR and transition
10 - Will be fantastic in the Celtics system
Definitely worth a listen...Nate and Danny are good.
...smh KAT isn't on Fultz's level tbh. KAT was a tantalizing prospect that was tier 1 but wasn't expected to come in and dominate. Fultz is expected to be the number one PG in his age group from day 1
Are you saying Fultz is expected to dominate from the get go because as much as I have read he is the best player in this draft, I haven't seen anything that says Fultz will dominate straight from the start.
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I don't think that what he is saying
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Fultz was 56% from 3 from the top of the circle, that's an insane number.... On the left side he was 41% but on the right 29%. He needs to be on the top or left when he shoots that 3. Also most of the 3s I watch him take were contested, some by more than one defender.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2017/05/24/boscle-game-4-news-markelle-fultz-scouting-report
Heard this from Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux (who writes for SI occasionally). They talk about game 4 Bos/Clev and about Markelle Fultz.
Their scouting report starts at 26:43.
10 takeaways from their analysis:
1 - He's worth the #1 pick
2 - Totally impressed and wowed by offensive skill level
3 - Absolutely tantalizing & legitimately special
4 - Elite dribble moves and separation
5 - Not on KAT level
6 - Would be #1 in most drafts
7 - Rewound film about 15 times to rewatch special highlights
8 - Unique style: bouncy and smooth
9 - Awesome spin moves and jaw dropping moves from the PnR and transition
10 - Will be fantastic in the Celtics system
Definitely worth a listen...Nate and Danny are good.
...smh KAT isn't on Fultz's level tbh. KAT was a tantalizing prospect that was tier 1 but wasn't expected to come in and dominate. Fultz is expected to be the number one PG in his age group from day 1
Are you saying Fultz is expected to dominate from the get go because as much as I have read he is the best player in this draft, I haven't seen anything that says Fultz will dominate straight from the start.
I think the point he is making is about the relative perception of each as a prospect coming into the draft. As good as towns is now he wasn't regarded as some can't miss stud in the draft, but much like Fultz is right now he was regarded as a excellent number one pick well worthy of the selection. You can argue one way or another which was/is the better prospect going into the draft, but I think they are at least on a similar level.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19497896/markelle-fultz-talked-danny-ainge-hopes-top-pick-boston-celtics
"I've talked to Danny a few times, and they want to get me to come out there for a visit," Fultz told ESPN. "They just want to get a chance to know me better as a person."
Fultz has talked to Ainge a few times
"We can both play on or off the ball," Fultz said. "We can both score and also pass. I think we'd be great together. When we've talked since the lottery, we haven't really talked about basketball much. He's been through a lot lately."
Fultz is aware that he is somewhat of an unknown heading into the draft because he played for a Washington team that won just nine games this past season.
"I'm a versatile point guard who is unselfish and can score at all three levels," he said. "I can rebound, block shots, push the ball, basically anything you need from a guard. Off the court, I'm humble.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19497896/markelle-fultz-talked-danny-ainge-hopes-top-pick-boston-celtics
"I've talked to Danny a few times, and they want to get me to come out there for a visit," Fultz told ESPN. "They just want to get a chance to know me better as a person."
Fultz has talked to Ainge a few times
"We can both play on or off the ball," Fultz said. "We can both score and also pass. I think we'd be great together. When we've talked since the lottery, we haven't really talked about basketball much. He's been through a lot lately."
Fultz is aware that he is somewhat of an unknown heading into the draft because he played for a Washington team that won just nine games this past season.
"I'm a versatile point guard who is unselfish and can score at all three levels," he said. "I can rebound, block shots, push the ball, basically anything you need from a guard. Off the court, I'm humble.
The rebounding is a really good point from Fultz, it's pretty clear that barring any massive change to our frontcourt it's still going to be on our guards to pick up the slack in the rebounding department.
I'm more interested in disciplined perimeter defense than shot blocking but the hope would be that Jaylen, Smart, and Crowder can beat that sense into him during the summer and training camp.
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Nice article on Raphael Chillious, ex Washington assistant and current UConn Associate Head Coach, on his belief that IT and Fultz would be an excellent backcourt.
Note: this is the guy who discovered Fultz when he played JV as a sophomore.
"Chillious can close his eyes and see that 5-foot-9 kid, the one who was doing everything in a junior varsity game in a near-empty gym, playing in Boston alongside Isaiah Thomas.
"He's a perfect fit with Isaiah," Chillious said. "Isaiah is best when he doesn't have to make every play for himself and everyone. Markelle is perfect to play with him because when he doesn't have the ball in his hands, watch out. That's when he can really score the ball. Both of them become way more dangerous when they've got the other guy on the court. And early on as a rookie with a lot of expectations on him, it would take a lot of pressure off him to play with Isaiah.
"Markelle's game, in a nutshell, is just lay a Swiss Army knife out, take out every instrument that's in it, and that's him. When he's got it going, he's blocking shots, rebounding, making unbelievable passes, getting assists, getting steals. He's been taught how to play basketball the right way."
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-uconn-men-inside-chillous-fultz-0530-20170527-story.html
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His rebounding is truly impressive
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https://fansided.com/2017/05/02/markelle-fultz-nba-draft-scouting/
http://fansided.com/2017/05/10/markelle-fultz-ball-handling-kyrie-irving-nba-draft/
http://fansided.com/2017/05/19/markelle-fultz-incredible-upside-finisher/
Just putting these all in one spot, so you can more easily do a deep dive on Markelle.
Makes me want to keep him more...
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John Wall is already studying Fultz as an potiental opponent. , thinks he IS the best player in the draft. Wall says ...KId can do it all.
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Just read this from keith smith...
"Asked NBA folks about where Luka Doncic & Michael Porter Jr. would be in this draft. Consensus was just behind Markelle Fultz at 2 & 3."
So, Fultz has been rated by some experts as the top pick had he been available last year, this year, and next year. Add in jaylen and the 2018 pick and I have to say thank you Danny.
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Just read this from keith smith...
"Asked NBA folks about where Luka Doncic & Michael Porter Jr. would be in this draft. Consensus was just behind Markelle Fultz at 2 & 3."
So, Fultz has been rated by some experts as the top pick had he been available last year, this year, and next year. Add in jaylen and the 2018 pick and I have to say thank you Danny.
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Pretty crazy as porter Jr is considered generational talent and doncic is supposed to be the greatest euro prospect of the decade
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I know. And the celtics may get one of those two in addition to Fultz.fun stuff.
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Nice article on Raphael Chillious, ex Washington assistant and current UConn Associate Head Coach, on his belief that IT and Fultz would be an excellent backcourt.
Note: this is the guy who discovered Fultz when he played JV as a sophomore.
"Chillious can close his eyes and see that 5-foot-9 kid, the one who was doing everything in a junior varsity game in a near-empty gym, playing in Boston alongside Isaiah Thomas.
"He's a perfect fit with Isaiah," Chillious said. "Isaiah is best when he doesn't have to make every play for himself and everyone. Markelle is perfect to play with him because when he doesn't have the ball in his hands, watch out. That's when he can really score the ball. Both of them become way more dangerous when they've got the other guy on the court. And early on as a rookie with a lot of expectations on him, it would take a lot of pressure off him to play with Isaiah.
"Markelle's game, in a nutshell, is just lay a Swiss Army knife out, take out every instrument that's in it, and that's him. When he's got it going, he's blocking shots, rebounding, making unbelievable passes, getting assists, getting steals. He's been taught how to play basketball the right way."
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-uconn-men-inside-chillous-fultz-0530-20170527-story.html
It sounds like playing with IT would really help Fultz early on, and later as IT ages , Fultz could take over more of the load and it would really help extend IT's highly effective years.
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Yup. Fultz is the franchise player we waited for years to draft. The type of player you build around
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This is very cool, Fultz is retweeting stuff about him playing for the celtics. 8)
http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/top-nba-draft-prospect-markelle-fultz-retweets-shirt-of-boston-celtics-jersey
The shirt is cool too. ;)
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Sounds like Fultz's knee is fine and dandy or at least good enough to be put through some work. He's due for a visit tomorrow to work out. Can't wait to see him in summer league action. Must see TV.
I know they play the games at weird times and also on replay but does anyone know if they have (or had it in the past) the summer league games on demand? Our team should be loaded with Jaylen saying he wants some action. If he plays then we'll have one hell of a team with a bunch of our second rounders from last year and this year.
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Sounds like Fultz's knee is fine and dandy or at least good enough to be put through some work. He's due for a visit tomorrow to work out. Can't wait to see him in summer league action. Must see TV.
I know they play the games at weird times and also on replay but does anyone know if they have (or had it in the past) the summer league games on demand? Our team should be loaded with Jaylen saying he wants some action. If he plays then we'll have one hell of a team with a bunch of our second rounders from last year and this year.
I'm pretty sure they are on demand, but I DVR'd them last year. Don't know if that's an option for you?
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According to this Sixers guy, Fultz is only working out for Boston.
https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/871732492990124032
The #Sixers have workouts scheduled for every top prospect besides Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball. Fultz will only workout for #BostonCeltics
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Fultz and Smart looks like a decent backup guard pairing
I wonder what Rozier can fetch on draft night
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Curious to hear if there is any "buzz" about his workout today.
The fact that he is not going to any other teams suggests to me that his physical checked out fine with the Celtics. Kid just needed rest.
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Curious to hear if there is any "buzz" about his workout today.
The fact that he is not going to any other teams suggests to me that his physical checked out fine with the Celtics. Kid just needed rest.
Wont be any is my guess
Pnr offense and defense is what Danny and staff wanted to see
No 100 3 pt attempt
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While on a tour around the TD Garden after his workout Fultz said "It almost feels like I belong here."
He must've gotten a pretty good feeling from Danny and Brad.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19563599/markelle-fultz-meets-boston-celtics-undecided-working-other-teams
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Fultz and Smart looks like a decent backup guard pairing
I wonder what Rozier can fetch on draft night
Ive become pretty solidly against trading Rozier.
I dont think he fetches you anything of value and has a cheap contract for 2 more years and has some upside as a scorer who can defend.
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He said brad Stevens talked to him about both ends, and "both good and bad"
Also fultz wants to wear #20
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When the next NBA game is played, Markelle Fultz will be on the Celtics.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/MKCxEqOGwX6PC/giphy.gif)
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Fultz playing 1 on 1 with Tracy McGrady.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUwMKPkqQQg
It doesn't look like much of a game and most of the video is talking but check out how big Fultz is. He's not giving up much size to Tracy McGrady, who was listed at 6'8".
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ii ll die the last 5 sec if Danny trades Fultz
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Fultz playing 1 on 1 with Tracy McGrady.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUwMKPkqQQg
It doesn't look like much of a game and most of the video is talking but check out how big Fultz is. He's not giving up much size to Tracy McGrady, who was listed at 6'8".
Watched it yesterday. Is that McGrady's own court? Man, he can still stroke it. Thought he was 6'10".
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Nice article on Fultz being #1 pick (and obviously).
Talks about passing ability and court vision. Two things I think are completely underrated with Fultz simply because he's so good at putting it in the basket.
In fact it's what has Danny Ainge foaming at the mouth. He's a facilitator.
https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2017/6/15/15805810/nba-mock-draft-boston-celtics-select-markelle-fultz-from-washington-2017
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anyone listen to Jt the brick? he had on Casey Jacobson tonight who is an analyst for FS1 and Pac 12 networks, he somewhat tampered my expectations for fultz, starts at the 53 minute mark of JT's podcast. take it for what it's worth
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ii ll die the last 5 sec if Danny trades Fultz
Lol