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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: csfansince60s on November 15, 2016, 09:25:40 PM
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I started a thread on this during March Madness last year. Due to all our picks last year, it was a pretty wide net for players in our selection wheelhouse.
This year, I figured we could do top 20 players on Draftexpress and nbadraft.net who are playing on any particular night as things change so much in players rankings.
I missed the first game tonight with Kentucky in the Chamipons Classic at MSG.
The second game is Duke vs Kansas, on now. ESPN
Players to watch? (I don't know who's injured (Giles?):
Josh Jackson. (UK)
Harry Giles. Duke out
Jayson Tatum Duke out
Grayson Allen Duke
Marques Bolden Duke out
Frank Jackson. Duke
I will try to update this thread as often as I can during the season, but TPs to anyone who updates it.
Gonna watch the game now.
Edit: I know that it's early for this but I like college hoops, and I know a lot of folks on here follow the draft stuff early on.
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I really like Grayson Allen. Can shoot, is a pretty solid passer from what I've seen, underrated athletically.
Josh Jackson hasn't impressed me today. Just got a Technical foul too.
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I really like Grayson Allen. Can shoot, is a pretty solid passer from what I've seen, underrated athletically.
Josh Jackson hasn't impressed me today. Just got a Technical foul too.
Agree about Allen. Can really attack close outs too.
Jackson is a fiery guy, very intense. One of his best traits.
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Call me a homer, but I'd take Lauri Markkanen right now over all our big man for the next five years. He's like a KO that can actually play.
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Call me a homer, but I'd take Lauri Markkanen right now over all our big man for the next five years. He's like a KO that can actually play.
Curious: what does he do that KO doesn't do? Basically, what's he doing that shows you he "can play" but KO can't?
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Malik monk looked pretty good earlier for Kentucky with 23 and 6 rb.
Good handle, looks more a scorer than pure shooter. Good court awareness too.
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I really like Grayson Allen. Can shoot, is a pretty solid passer from what I've seen, underrated athletically.
Josh Jackson hasn't impressed me today. Just got a Technical foul too.
Agree about Allen. Can really attack close outs too.
Jackson is a fiery guy, very intense. One of his best traits.
I don't see "it" while watching Josh Jackson. Not sure I love his shot. He's being compared to Wiggins. Is he as good as Wiggins was at Kansas, esp on defense? Right now he's projected to be a top 5 pick.
I'm still hoping that Harry Giles drops to us, esp if he sits out the whole year. This lets him recover while studying the game under Coach K. Big time athlete with size. I think he's an Amare or even Blake Griffin type talent.
I'm also interested in a couple of the guards, such as Dennis Smith and Fultz. Either one or Giles and I think it's a big win for the Celtics.
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I really like Grayson Allen. Can shoot, is a pretty solid passer from what I've seen, underrated athletically.
Josh Jackson hasn't impressed me today. Just got a Technical foul too.
Agree about Allen. Can really attack close outs too.
Jackson is a fiery guy, very intense. One of his best traits.
I don't see "it" while watching Josh Jackson. Not sure I love his shot. He's being compared to Wiggins. Is he as good as Wiggins was at Kansas, esp on defense? Right now he's projected to be a top 5 pick.
I'm still hoping that Harry Giles drops to us, esp if he sits out the whole year. This lets him recover while studying the game under Coach K. Big time athlete with size. I think he's an Amare or even Blake Griffin type talent.
I'm also interested in a couple of the guards, such as Dennis Smith and Fultz. Either one or Giles and I think it's a big win for the Celtics.
I didn't see enough of Jackson tonight to see for myself what all the pundits see in him. I think he played 14 minutes before fouling out, but he showed flashes and seemed real aggressive.
I agree on Giles and think he can be the high risk/ high reward gamble that Embid was.
I am looking forward to seeing a lot of these other prospects play. Should be a fun season. Right now theyre all just comments on pundits paper and old film.
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
Is it just me, or was that the quietest 30 points ever? lol. maybe it's because it looked so easy for him. looked like he was barely trying and he was still getting good looks.
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
Is it just me, or was that the quietest 30 points ever? lol. maybe it's because it looked so easy for him. looked like he was barely trying and he was still getting good looks.
You guys will be able to see Fultz this Sunday night vs Northern Arizona at 8 p.m. On the PAC-12 Network.
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
Is it just me, or was that the quietest 30 points ever? lol. maybe it's because it looked so easy for him. looked like he was barely trying and he was still getting good looks.
You guys will be able to see Fultz this Sunday night vs Northern Arizona at 8 p.m. On the PAC-12 Network.
thanks. looking forward to it.
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I really like Grayson Allen. Can shoot, is a pretty solid passer from what I've seen, underrated athletically.
Josh Jackson hasn't impressed me today. Just got a Technical foul too.
Agree about Allen. Can really attack close outs too.
Jackson is a fiery guy, very intense. One of his best traits.
I don't see "it" while watching Josh Jackson. Not sure I love his shot. He's being compared to Wiggins. Is he as good as Wiggins was at Kansas, esp on defense? Right now he's projected to be a top 5 pick.
I'm still hoping that Harry Giles drops to us, esp if he sits out the whole year. This lets him recover while studying the game under Coach K. Big time athlete with size. I think he's an Amare or even Blake Griffin type talent.
I'm also interested in a couple of the guards, such as Dennis Smith and Fultz. Either one or Giles and I think it's a big win for the Celtics.
I didn't see enough of Jackson tonight to see for myself what all the pundits see in him. I think he played 14 minutes before fouling out, but he showed flashes and seemed real aggressive.
I agree on Giles and think he can be the high risk/ high reward gamble that Embid was.
I am looking forward to seeing a lot of these other prospects play. Should be a fun season. Right now theyre all just comments on pundits paper and old film.
Praying that we can get a player like Giles. Be a good off-season to our frontcourt to add Giles and then add some seasoned rooks in Ante Zizic and Yabusele. Probably still add a vet in FA or steal, but that would definitely bring our frontcourt an injection of youth and energy that we need. All on cheap contracts and allow us to potentially bring in another valuable FA.
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I really like Grayson Allen. Can shoot, is a pretty solid passer from what I've seen, underrated athletically.
Josh Jackson hasn't impressed me today. Just got a Technical foul too.
Agree about Allen. Can really attack close outs too.
Jackson is a fiery guy, very intense. One of his best traits.
I don't see "it" while watching Josh Jackson. Not sure I love his shot. He's being compared to Wiggins. Is he as good as Wiggins was at Kansas, esp on defense? Right now he's projected to be a top 5 pick.
I'm still hoping that Harry Giles drops to us, esp if he sits out the whole year. This lets him recover while studying the game under Coach K. Big time athlete with size. I think he's an Amare or even Blake Griffin type talent.
I'm also interested in a couple of the guards, such as Dennis Smith and Fultz. Either one or Giles and I think it's a big win for the Celtics.
I didn't see enough of Jackson tonight to see for myself what all the pundits see in him. I think he played 14 minutes before fouling out, but he showed flashes and seemed real aggressive.
I agree on Giles and think he can be the high risk/ high reward gamble that Embid was.
I am looking forward to seeing a lot of these other prospects play. Should be a fun season. Right now theyre all just comments on pundits paper and old film.
Praying that we can get a player like Giles. Be a good off-season to our frontcourt to add Giles and then add some seasoned rooks in Ante Zizic and Yabusele. Probably still add a vet in FA or steal, but that would definitely bring our frontcourt an injection of youth and energy that we need. All on cheap contracts and allow us to potentially bring in another valuable FA.
Me too on Giles.
A healthy Giles is a franchise player.
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Malik monk looked pretty good earlier for Kentucky with 23 and 6 rb.
Good handle, looks more a scorer than pure shooter. Good court awareness too.
I was very impressed with him. And he was killing the three.
Pleasantly surprised.
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Malik monk looked pretty good earlier for Kentucky with 23 and 6 rb.
Good handle, looks more a scorer than pure shooter. Good court awareness too.
I was very impressed with him. And he was killing the three.
Pleasantly surprised.
Yah...7/11 from 3 pretty impressive. Good physical tools too.
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UPDATE: Ivan Rabb and Jabari Bird are players to watch later tonight.
Cal plays UC-Irvine at 11 tonight on PAC-12 Network.
EDIT:Rabb out tonight with sore toe.
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
Looks impressive in the highlights, but keep in mind they lost at home to Yale. Hard to tell if he played winning basketball.
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
Looks impressive in the highlights, but keep in mind they lost at home to Yale. Hard to tell if he played winning basketball.
Very true.
This might be the second year in a row when the top pick does not make the NCAA tournament.
For Washington to lose to a team that was picked third in the Ivy League in preseason polls and missing its best player is pretty sad.
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Markelle Fultz highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDaWXb3RA8g&t=0s
Looks impressive in the highlights, but keep in mind they lost at home to Yale. Hard to tell if he played winning basketball.
Very true.
This might be the second year in a row when the top pick does not make the NCAA tournament.
For Washington to lose to a team that was picked third in the Ivy League in preseason polls and missing its best player is pretty sad.
Fultz is very talented, but his left-hand dribble is absolutely garbage. He's definitely going to have to work on that.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
San Diego State?
I remember SDSU's Malik Pope was very hyped up by Chad Ford a few years ago. it was weird, the guy didn't even play that well, but Ford had him in the lottery, and i think he was one of very few people to have him drafted that high. Wonder what he saw in Pope.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
San Diego State?
I remember SDSU's Malik Pope was very hyped up by Chad Ford a few years ago. it was weird, the guy didn't even play that well, but Ford had him in the lottery, and i think he was one of very few people to have him drafted that high. Wonder what he saw in Pope.
You're right, Pope was pretty hyped, but I think he got injured.
Tonight's game is USD, though, I think, not SDST.
I'm kind of looking forward to seeing Pope play when he's on TV.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
Lonzo looks interesting. I read a Jason Kidd comparison, which prob. means he'll be nothing like him.
I think I'd rather draft a random guy off of St. Mary's before Melo Trimble. Too small/light. I don't like his shot. Decent handle.
I think Dennis Smith/Harry Giles/Ivan Rabb/Thomas Bryant would be good fits for us.
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Highlights from Fultz most recent game. I see a lot of Harden in his game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias)
He has such an innate ability to score. Granted its against inferior competition right now, but man we would be so lucky to get this guy.
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UPDATE: Friday 11/18
6pm on CBSSN Dennis Smith and Omer Yertseven for NCSt
7pm on Acc/ESPN Jonathan Isaac and Dwayne Bacon for FSU
7pm on ACC/ESPN Tyler Lydon and Tyler Roberson for Syracuse
8pm on ESPN3 Josh Jackson, Devonte Graham and Mykhailiuk for Kansas
10 pm on PAC-12 Network Lauri Markkanen, Rawle Atkins and Alonzo Trier for 'Zona
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Highlights from Fultz most recent game. I see a lot of Harden in his game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias)
He has such an innate ability to score. Granted its against inferior competition right now, but man we would be so lucky to get this guy.
I think the "more athletic D'Angelo Russell" comp is spot on. Of course, Russell is also often compared to Harden.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
Lonzo looks interesting. I read a Jason Kidd comparison, which prob. means he'll be nothing like him.
I think I'd rather draft a random guy off of St. Mary's before Melo Trimble. Too small/light. I don't like his shot. Decent handle.
I think Dennis Smith/Harry Giles/Ivan Rabb/Thomas Bryant would be good fits for us.
Thomas Bryant is not a good NBA player. He's not long enough, athletic enough, and his all around game is severely limited because of this. Don't see the allure with him.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
Lonzo looks interesting. I read a Jason Kidd comparison, which prob. means he'll be nothing like him.
I think I'd rather draft a random guy off of St. Mary's before Melo Trimble. Too small/light. I don't like his shot. Decent handle.
I think Dennis Smith/Harry Giles/Ivan Rabb/Thomas Bryant would be good fits for us.
Thomas Bryant is not a good NBA player. He's not long enough, athletic enough, and his all around game is severely limited because of this. Don't see the allure with him.
DraftExpress has his wingspan at 7'5.5" and he seems reasonably athletic to me. What do you mean by his all around game is severely limited?
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
Lonzo looks interesting. I read a Jason Kidd comparison, which prob. means he'll be nothing like him.
I think I'd rather draft a random guy off of St. Mary's before Melo Trimble. Too small/light. I don't like his shot. Decent handle.
I think Dennis Smith/Harry Giles/Ivan Rabb/Thomas Bryant would be good fits for us.
Thomas Bryant is not a good NBA player. He's not long enough, athletic enough, and his all around game is severely limited because of this. Don't see the allure with him.
DraftExpress has his wingspan at 7'5.5" and he seems reasonably athletic to me. What do you mean by his all around game is severely limited?
Wow maybe I underestimated his length. For me it's tight hips. Doesn't seem to have the quickest of feet, awkard running motion, and isn't especially explosive. He could potentially become a nice bench player, but not seeing starter quality talent there.
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Markkanen had 22pts, 6 rebs, and 3 asts last night for Arizona.
Bridges had 24 pts, 11 rebs, and 6 asts last night for Mich. St.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 11/17
Lonzo Ball's UCLA Bruins vs San Diego at 11 p.m on PAC-12 Network
Melo Trimble at 7 p.m. St Mary's (MD) vs MD on ESPN 3
Lonzo looks interesting. I read a Jason Kidd comparison, which prob. means he'll be nothing like him.
I think I'd rather draft a random guy off of St. Mary's before Melo Trimble. Too small/light. I don't like his shot. Decent handle.
I think Dennis Smith/Harry Giles/Ivan Rabb/Thomas Bryant would be good fits for us.
Thomas Bryant is not a good NBA player. He's not long enough, athletic enough, and his all around game is severely limited because of this. Don't see the allure with him.
DraftExpress has his wingspan at 7'5.5" and he seems reasonably athletic to me. What do you mean by his all around game is severely limited?
Wow maybe I underestimated his length. For me it's tight hips. Doesn't seem to have the quickest of feet, awkard running motion, and isn't especially explosive. He could potentially become a nice bench player, but not seeing starter quality talent there.
Don't know why Bryant is even being mentioned. Our only 1st should be top 5 and certainly be top 10. DraftExpress currently has him going 22. I don't see Bryant going higher than mid-first. If he does, it will be a lot weaker draft than expected.
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Markkanen had 22pts, 6 rebs, and 3 asts last night for Arizona.
Bridges had 24 pts, 11 rebs, and 6 asts last night for Mich. St.
If we do end up using the pick, I'd be good with taking Markkanen and letting Olynyk walk.
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UPDATE: Sunday 11/20
5pm FSU Jonathan Isaac, Dwayne Bacon on ACC extra/ESPN
7pm Mich St Miles Bridges on BTN
7:30 Xavier Edmond Sumner on ESPN2
8:00 Washington Markelle Fultz on PAC-12 Network
8:30 NC State Dennis Smith on CBSSN
9:00 Kentucky Malik Monk (very impressive this past week), De'Aaron Fox,
Isaiah Briscoe and Bam Abedayo on ESPNU
10:00 UCLA Lonzo Ball on PAC-12 Network
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Love this thread nice to scout, thanks.
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Love this thread nice to scout, thanks.
Thanks, glad you enjoy it. I know that some of the broadcasts aren't available to all people, but figured that I'd list them.
Didn't list the Duke game at 1 today vs URI, but Grayson Allen is hobbled and the three other projected high draft picks that they have are all injured and haven't played yet.
I will update as often as I can, but it's a long season, and I'm sure that I will miss some days, so if anybody wants to update on any day, that'll be great.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 11/22
Lots of big teams playing today, especially because of the holiday tournaments in Hawaii and Alaska.
3:30 Texas Jarrett Allen (currently highest rated pure center in the draft) ESPNU
3:30 UCONN Terry Larrier ESPN2
7:00 Syracuse Tylers Lydon and Roberson ACC Extra/ESPN
9:00 Indiana OG Anunoby and Thomas Bryant BTN
10:00 Kansas Josh Jackson and Mykhailiuk ESPN2
10:30 UNC Justin Jackson ESPN
11:00 Wahington Markelle Fultz PAC-12 Network
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Wow, Colorado just kicked Texas' butt.
Jarrett Allen looked like a lost little boy. Not very stron, not agressive at all with going after rebounds or putting it up after he gets one (he kicks it out) and he's taller than eveeryone on the floor. A complete non-factor.
Adebayo (Ky), Jeanne, Bryany (IND) and Yurtseven (NC ST) look way further along than this guy.
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Larrier not playing for UCONN today.
Roxbury's Jalen Adams is lighting it up though.
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Wow, Colorado just kicked Texas' butt.
Jarrett Allen looked like a lost little boy. Not very stron, not agressive at all with going after rebounds or putting it up after he gets one (he kicks it out) and he's taller than eveeryone on the floor. A complete non-factor.
Adebayo (Ky), Jeanne, Bryany (IND) and Yurtseven (NC ST) look way further along than this guy.
And Northwestern (!!!) beat Texas even worse yesterday. Allen was held to 5 points on 6 shots and 5 boards, and was completely outplayed by Northwestern's 6-8 sophomore who had a double-double.
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Wow, Colorado just kicked Texas' butt.
Jarrett Allen looked like a lost little boy. Not very stron, not agressive at all with going after rebounds or putting it up after he gets one (he kicks it out) and he's taller than eveeryone on the floor. A complete non-factor.
Adebayo (Ky), Jeanne, Bryany (IND) and Yurtseven (NC ST) look way further along than this guy.
And Northwestern (!!!) beat Texas even worse yesterday. Allen was held to 5 points on 6 shots and 5 boards, and was completely outplayed by Northwestern's 6-8 sophomore who had a double-double.
Wow!
He could go from #13 on DExpress to off the board. He's not even in nbadraft.net's top 60.
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Thomas Bryant just capped a Hoosier comeback with a rugged offensive rebound and attempted put-back where he got fouled. He calmly made two free throws to tie The Fort Wayne Mastodons ( how's that for a nickname)!
OT!
EDIT: Mastodons shock 3rd ranked Hoosiers!
I love college basketball!
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Top prospects to watch on 11/24
12:00 on ESPN Michigan Myles Bridges
12:30 on ESPNU Florida State Johnathan Isaac
10:30 on FS1 Arizona Lauri Markkanen
11:00 on ESPN2 UCLA Lonzo Ball
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Top prospects to watch on 11/24
12:00 on ESPN Michigan Myles Bridges
12:30 on ESPNU Florida State Johnathan Isaac
10:30 on FS1 Arizona Lauri Markkanen
11:00 on ESPN2 UCLA Lonzo Ball
TP...thanks
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
Trier is not playing and apparently Arizona hasn't said why or when he will play. Some speculation it is an eligibility issue. Didn't know Alkins was a prospect. Hasn't stood out in the games I've watched.
Kentucky is fun to watch. Malik Monk is a highlight reel in the open court. Bam looked much better. Moves incredibly well for such a large man. Love Fox. He really knows how to run an offense but works well without the ball too.
Lauri Markkanen continues to look like a good replacement for KO. He doesn't play like a freshman.
Also caught Kansas and UCLA games. Josh Jackson is looking much better since Self told him to be more assertive. Active on offense and defense with a few freshman lapses. Excellent passer. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
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Top prospect viewing on 11/26.
Duke @ 12:00 on ACC network - Still no Giles, Taytum and Bolden. Have to settle for Allen and Jackson.
NC State @ 4:00 on ACC network - Dennis Smith
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UPDATE: Sunday November 27
4 p.m. Indiana...... O.G. Anunoby and Thomas Bryant on ESPN3
8:30 UCLA..........Lonzo Ball on ESPN
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
Tatum, Bolden and Giles, I hope we all get to see soon.
Seen Jackson a couple of times and not overly impressed like I have been with Ball.
Monk is one to watch.
Edit: Monkhouse to watch Monk...TP
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
Tatum, Bolden and Giles, I hope we all get to see soon.
Seen Jackson a couple of times and not overly impressed like I have been with Ball.
Monk is one to watch.
I like Ball, but man... His shot just looks weird and awkward... I don't know, can he really get it over defenses in the NBA?
I fear for someone who's at a height advantage for his position, will end up becoming like a better MCW. A slightly above rotational back up PG, that could start on some teams, but ultimately is better off the bench or spark starting minutes ala Shaun Livingston.
And TP back at ya lol. I love Malik Monk. But isn't he going like in the late lottery? I just don't see him top 7 pick potential, which I assume we're picking at?
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
Tatum, Bolden and Giles, I hope we all get to see soon.
Seen Jackson a couple of times and not overly impressed like I have been with Ball.
Monk is one to watch.
I like Ball, but man... His shot just looks weird and awkward... I don't know, can he really get it over defenses in the NBA?
I fear for someone who's at a height advantage for his position, will end up becoming like a better MCW. A slightly above rotational back up PG, that could start on some teams, but ultimately is better off the bench or spark starting minutes ala Shaun Livingston.
And TP back at ya lol. I love Malik Monk. But isn't he going like in the late lottery? I just don't see him top 7 pick potential, which I assume we're picking at?
Latest draft express (updated tonight at 11:57 ) has Monk at 5 just behind Ball.
And you're right about that low release from Ball, but he gets it off pretty quickly and he's pretty long in his own right.
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UPDATE: Monday 11/28
7 p.m. Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo and Isaiah Briscoe
on ESPN2
Kentucky is the only notable game tonight.
If you're bored, also on at 11 p.m. on PAC12 Network is Chris Boucher (almost 24 years old ), Jordan Bell and Dillon Brooks for Oregon, all projected 2nd rounders.
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
Tatum, Bolden and Giles, I hope we all get to see soon.
Seen Jackson a couple of times and not overly impressed like I have been with Ball.
Monk is one to watch.
I like Ball, but man... His shot just looks weird and awkward... I don't know, can he really get it over defenses in the NBA?
I fear for someone who's at a height advantage for his position, will end up becoming like a better MCW. A slightly above rotational back up PG, that could start on some teams, but ultimately is better off the bench or spark starting minutes ala Shaun Livingston.
And TP back at ya lol. I love Malik Monk. But isn't he going like in the late lottery? I just don't see him top 7 pick potential, which I assume we're picking at?
Latest draft express (updated tonight at 11:57 ) has Monk at 5 just behind Ball.
And you're right about that low release from Ball, but he gets it off pretty quickly and he's pretty long in his own right.
speaking of draftexpress, giles is now at #13. wow, what a drop. they dont explain why. is it because of not playing? or something about his recovery/injuries?
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
Tatum, Bolden and Giles, I hope we all get to see soon.
Seen Jackson a couple of times and not overly impressed like I have been with Ball.
Monk is one to watch.
I like Ball, but man... His shot just looks weird and awkward... I don't know, can he really get it over defenses in the NBA?
I fear for someone who's at a height advantage for his position, will end up becoming like a better MCW. A slightly above rotational back up PG, that could start on some teams, but ultimately is better off the bench or spark starting minutes ala Shaun Livingston.
And TP back at ya lol. I love Malik Monk. But isn't he going like in the late lottery? I just don't see him top 7 pick potential, which I assume we're picking at?
Latest draft express (updated tonight at 11:57 ) has Monk at 5 just behind Ball.
And you're right about that low release from Ball, but he gets it off pretty quickly and he's pretty long in his own right.
speaking of draftexpress, giles is now at #13. wow, what a drop. they dont explain why. is it because of not playing? or something about his recovery/injuries?
Great observation.
I saw that too and was wondering the same.
For everyone's sake, let's hope it's the former.
The more talent at the top, the better.
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UPDATE: Monday 11/28
7 p.m. Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo and Isaiah Briscoe
on ESPN2
Kentucky is the only notable game tonight.
If you're bored, also on at 11 p.m. on PAC12 Network is Chris Boucher (almost 24 years old ), Jordan Bell and Dillon Brooks for Oregon, all projected 2nd rounders.
Florida State is playing on ESPNU right now. Unfortunately, I don't get that channel anymore. Been looking forward to seeing Isaac.
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UPDATE: Friday 11/25
7 p.m. (SECN) Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo
10 p.m. (FS1) Arizona ; Lauri Markkanen, Alonzo Trier, Rawle Alkins
"............. Lonzo Ball looked better than in the 1st game I saw of him. Thought he was more of a chucker but he's really pass 1st. Funky shot but he's making a high percentage.
Lonzo Ball does it ALL!
Man,16-10-5 and 4/9 from three with at least two blocks inside the paint and MVP of the Wooden Legacy Tourney.
Despite being obviously the most skilled player on the floor, his biggest contribution to me was the maturity and leadership beyond his years that he demonstrated. On one play, he grabbed his teammate, Holiday, so that he wouldn't go after a Texas A&M player after he was hard fouled. One another, he was barking at his teammate Alford to bring the ball across half-court quicker to avoid a violation.
Skill, poise, leadership and situational awareness. The kid has it all!
I like him, but I'm really interested in watching more Tatum and Jackson... Giles definitely looks interesting, of course his injury history is concerning, but his potential as a two way player with LMA-like qualities is certainly tantalizing..
Tatum, Bolden and Giles, I hope we all get to see soon.
Seen Jackson a couple of times and not overly impressed like I have been with Ball.
Monk is one to watch.
I like Ball, but man... His shot just looks weird and awkward... I don't know, can he really get it over defenses in the NBA?
I fear for someone who's at a height advantage for his position, will end up becoming like a better MCW. A slightly above rotational back up PG, that could start on some teams, but ultimately is better off the bench or spark starting minutes ala Shaun Livingston.
And TP back at ya lol. I love Malik Monk. But isn't he going like in the late lottery? I just don't see him top 7 pick potential, which I assume we're picking at?
Latest draft express (updated tonight at 11:57 ) has Monk at 5 just behind Ball.
And you're right about that low release from Ball, but he gets it off pretty quickly and he's pretty long in his own right.
speaking of draftexpress, giles is now at #13. wow, what a drop. they dont explain why. is it because of not playing? or something about his recovery/injuries?
It would be nice if they'd put a bit of commentary explaining the movement. Jayson Tatum isn't playing either and he only dropped a spot or two. Unless there is something significant, I don't see how Giles could drop below Rabb.
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UPDATE: Monday 11/28
7 p.m. Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo and Isaiah Briscoe
on ESPN2
Kentucky is the only notable game tonight.
If you're bored, also on at 11 p.m. on PAC12 Network is Chris Boucher (almost 24 years old ), Jordan Bell and Dillon Brooks for Oregon, all projected 2nd rounders.
Florida State is playing on ESPNU right now. Unfortunately, I don't get that channel anymore. Been looking forward to seeing Isaac.
Thanks..also....Dwayne Bacon was a potential first rounder last year in many mocks. He is fun to watch too.
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UPDATE: Monday 11/28
7 p.m. Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo and Isaiah Briscoe
on ESPN2
Kentucky is the only notable game tonight.
If you're bored, also on at 11 p.m. on PAC12 Network is Chris Boucher (almost 24 years old ), Jordan Bell and Dillon Brooks for Oregon, all projected 2nd rounders.
Florida State is playing on ESPNU right now. Unfortunately, I don't get that channel anymore. Been looking forward to seeing Isaac.
Thanks..also....Dwayne Bacon was a potential first rounder last year in many mocks. He is fun to watch too.
Hopefully I'll get to judge that with my own eyes before too much longer.
Another prospect to keep an eye on is Robert Williams for Texas A&M. NBA folks at the NBA tournament apparently said he'd go in the 1st round and he's 31 on the new DraftExpress mock. He looked raw but good against UCLA.
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UPDATE: Monday 11/28
7 p.m. Kentucky: Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Bam Abedayo and Isaiah Briscoe
on ESPN2
Kentucky is the only notable game tonight.
If you're bored, also on at 11 p.m. on PAC12 Network is Chris Boucher (almost 24 years old ), Jordan Bell and Dillon Brooks for Oregon, all projected 2nd rounders.
Florida State is playing on ESPNU right now. Unfortunately, I don't get that channel anymore. Been looking forward to seeing Isaac.
Thanks..also....Dwayne Bacon was a potential first rounder last year in many mocks. He is fun to watch too.
Hopefully I'll get to judge that with my own eyes before too much longer.
Another prospect to keep an eye on is Robert Williams for Texas A&M. NBA folks at the NBA tournament apparently said he'd go in the 1st round and he's 31 on the new DraftExpress mock. He looked raw but good against UCLA.
I agree on Williams. He impressed me in that game too. Especially with his aggression. Big, strong, quick. Had some great blocks. On one he got T'd up for using the F word after a loud block. (Glad the refs are getting tighter on that in college). He learned, though, and on his next block acted like he'd been there before. Nice to see that.
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Prospect viewing for 11/29
6:30 FS1 - Xavier: Edmond Sumner
8:00 ESPN3 - Kansas: Josh Jackson
9:00 ESPNU - N.C. State: Dennis Smith
9:30 ESPN - Duke: Grayson Allen vs. Michigan State: Myles Bridges
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Prospect viewing for 11/29
6:30 FS1 - Xavier: Edmond Sumner
8:00 ESPN3 - Kansas: Josh Jackson
9:00 ESPNU - N.C. State: Dennis Smith
9:30 ESPN - Duke: Grayson Allen vs. Michigan State: Myles Bridges
Sumner had some nice dishes last night, but held scoreless for 1st half vs poor competition.
Smith was kept under wraps by a pretty good looking Illini team.
Bridges (as the tread on him suggests) is definitely a climber and has all the tools of a top 10 pick.
Grayson Allen was 5/11 from 3.
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The couple times I've seen duke this year I thought Kennard looked better than Allen. Haven't seen any talk about him.
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UPDATE Wednesday, November 30
9 p.m. PAC -12 Network........................ Arizona..... Markkanen, Atkins, Trier
9:15 ESPN...........................UNC vs Ind...OG Anunoby, Thomas Bryant (ind)
Justin Jackson, Isaiah Hicks (UNC)
9:15 ESPNU.........................Clemson ...Jaron Blossongame
11:00 PAc-12.......................UCLA........Lonzo Ball (my favorite next to a
Healthy Giles, if that happens)
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The couple times I've seen duke this year I thought Kennard looked better than Allen. Haven't seen any talk about him.
Kennard's not on the DraftExpress mock and he's a 2nd rounder in the NBADraft.net mock. There's a good chance he returns for his junior season. Allen is projected by both as late 1st round.
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The couple times I've seen duke this year I thought Kennard looked better than Allen. Haven't seen any talk about him.
Kennard's not on the DraftExpress mock and he's a 2nd rounder in the NBADraft.net mock. There's a good chance he returns for his junior season. Allen is projected by both as late 1st round.
Allen has been injured with a turf toe type injury, but he keeps playing and he's a tough guy. Also, with the three star freshmen out, he's been asked to carry a huge load.
When these guys return he will be able to be far more efficient with all these better players around him, and I think we will see him climb in the mocks, getting healthier physically and having a lot more help.
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UPDATE Wednesday, November 30
9 p.m. PAC -12 Network........................ Arizona..... Markkanen, Atkins, Trier
9:15 ESPN...........................UNC vs Ind...OG Anunoby, Thomas Bryant (ind)
Justin Jackson, Isaiah Hicks (UNC)
9:15 ESPNU.........................Clemson ...Jaron Blossongame
11:00 PAc-12.......................UCLA........Lonzo Ball (my favorite next to a
Healthy Giles, if that happens)
I'm like a kid in a candy store. I'm overwhelmed by all the choices. Way too many talented players to have to choose just one.
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UPDATE Wednesday, November 30
9 p.m. PAC -12 Network........................ Arizona..... Markkanen, Atkins, Trier
9:15 ESPN...........................UNC vs Ind...OG Anunoby, Thomas Bryant (ind)
Justin Jackson, Isaiah Hicks (UNC)
9:15 ESPNU.........................Clemson ...Jaron Blossongame
11:00 PAc-12.......................UCLA........Lonzo Ball (my favorite next to a
Healthy Giles, if that happens)
I'm like a kid in a candy store. I'm overwhelmed by all the choices. Way too many talented players to have to choose just one.
And it's only gonna get better with all the holiday tourneys and all. ;D
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UPDATE: Friday, December 2nd
7 p.m. ESPN3 Indiana: OG Anunoby, Thomas Bryant
9:30 ESPNU Texas: Jarrett Allen
EDIT:Anunoby out "indefinitely" with sprained ankle
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12/3 - Good time to be a coach potato and watch top prospects all day
12:30 CBS - UCLA vs Kentucky: Ball, Monk, Fox, Bam, ...
3:30 ESPN - Kansas: Josh Jackson
3:30 ESPN2 - Xavier: Edmond Sumner
4:00 Pac12 NW - Cal: Rabb
4:30 ACC NW - N.C. State: Dennis Smith
4:30 Big Ten NW - Michigan State: Bridges
5:30 ESPN - Arizona: Markkanen
5:30 ESPN2 - Duke: Frank Jackson and Allen (Still no Giles, Tatum or Bolden)
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12/3 - Good time to be a coach potato and watch top prospects all day
12:30 CBS - UCLA vs Kentucky: Ball, Monk, Fox, Bam, ...
3:30 ESPN - Kansas: Josh Jackson
3:30 ESPN2 - Xavier: Edmond Sumner
4:00 Pac12 NW - Cal: Rabb
4:30 ACC NW - N.C. State: Dennis Smith
4:30 Big Ten NW - Michigan State: Bridges
5:30 ESPN - Arizona: Markkanen
5:30 ESPN2 - Duke: Frank Jackson and Allen (Still no Giles, Tatum or Bolden)
TP, tazz. Thanks for the update!
Ball and Monk are two of the players I've most enjoyed watching so far.
When Giles, Bolden and Tatum are ready to play for Duke. they will show why Duke got many pre-season #1 rankings. Sounds like they have been participating in practices (not sure to what extent) and it sounds like Bolden and Tatum especially are close. Here's a little blurb on their status.
Harry Giles, the No. 2 rated recruit in the 2016 class, underwent a minor knee surgery before the season and was expected to be out six weeks. It's been almost eight weeks, and he's remained at the end of the bench for Duke. Giles has appeared in warmups the past week for Duke, and it's entirely possible that he could make his return soon. Of the three freshmen, however, he will likely be the last to make a return.
The other two freshmen who have not appeared in games -- Jayson Tatum and Marques Bolden -- are in a similar situation as Giles. They've participated in warmups, but still, no action.
Tatum suffered a sprained foot in a late October practice, and Bolden suffered a lower leg injury that has held him out.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/its-entirely-possible-that-all-these-injuries-end-up-making-duke-even-better/
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12/3 - Good time to be a coach potato and watch top prospects all day
12:30 CBS - UCLA vs Kentucky: Ball, Monk, Fox, Bam, ...
3:30 ESPN - Kansas: Josh Jackson
3:30 ESPN2 - Xavier: Edmond Sumner
4:00 Pac12 NW - Cal: Rabb
4:30 ACC NW - N.C. State: Dennis Smith
4:30 Big Ten NW - Michigan State: Bridges
5:30 ESPN - Arizona: Markkanen
5:30 ESPN2 - Duke: Frank Jackson and Allen (Still no Giles, Tatum or Bolden)
TP, tazz. Thanks for the update!
Ball and Monk are two of the players I've most enjoyed watching so far.
When Giles, Bolden and Tatum are ready to play for Duke. they will show why Duke got many pre-season #1 rankings. Sounds like they have been participating in practices (not sure to what extent) and it sounds like Bolden and Tatum especially are close. Here's a little blurb on their status.
Harry Giles, the No. 2 rated recruit in the 2016 class, underwent a minor knee surgery before the season and was expected to be out six weeks. It's been almost eight weeks, and he's remained at the end of the bench for Duke. Giles has appeared in warmups the past week for Duke, and it's entirely possible that he could make his return soon. Of the three freshmen, however, he will likely be the last to make a return.
The other two freshmen who have not appeared in games -- Jayson Tatum and Marques Bolden -- are in a similar situation as Giles. They've participated in warmups, but still, no action.
Tatum suffered a sprained foot in a late October practice, and Bolden suffered a lower leg injury that has held him out.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/its-entirely-possible-that-all-these-injuries-end-up-making-duke-even-better/
TP for the injury update.
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watch this zona game tonight and tell me what you guys think of Kobi Simmons. Athletic freak.
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Watching UCLA Kentucky right now, ridiculous athleticism on both teams. Very small sample size impressions:
Ball has an easy handle, very skilled with the ball. A little lackadaisical overall unless he has the ball. Had a great D possession blocking Monk when he tried to drive on him, followed up by getting schooled by Fox on a drive. Kids.
Fox is explosive and has a great crossover.
Adebayo certainly looks the part of Biyambo type player, active and athletic big. Anibigobu from UCLA also fits that description, hadn't heard of him.
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Nice win for UCLA on the road. Ball really has great court vision and handles. Good athlete with great length for a point. UCLA's ball movement was outstanding until late in the game when both teams were clearly tiring. Draft Express has a nice piece out on his impact on the team: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Lonzo-Ball-Transforming-UCLA-5727/.
Leaf and Holiday both impressed off the bench for UCLA. Fox looked like the best player for Kentucky, and Adebayo was certainly a beast inside. Adebayo also shot well from the line which will be big for a player with his skillset.
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Nice win for UCLA on the road. Ball really has great court vision and handles. Good athlete with great length for a point. UCLA's ball movement was outstanding until late in the game when both teams were clearly tiring. Draft Express has a nice piece out on his impact on the team: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Lonzo-Ball-Transforming-UCLA-5727/.
Leaf and Holiday both impressed off the bench for UCLA. Fox looked like the best player for Kentucky, and Adebayo was certainly a beast inside. Adebayo also shot well from the line which will be big for a player with his skillset.
Ball has exceeded my expectations. Better all around player than I thought and he's effective without the ball. Coming in as a freshman and taking charge of an experienced team says a lot for his maturity and leadership.
Fox is on his way to becoming my favorite (not best) player in this draft. Just needs to develop his jump shot. Adebayo has looked better each time I've seen him. For someone so large, to be able to step out on the perimeter and defend so well is very impressive.
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Nice win for UCLA on the road. Ball really has great court vision and handles. Good athlete with great length for a point. UCLA's ball movement was outstanding until late in the game when both teams were clearly tiring. Draft Express has a nice piece out on his impact on the team: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Lonzo-Ball-Transforming-UCLA-5727/.
Leaf and Holiday both impressed off the bench for UCLA. Fox looked like the best player for Kentucky, and Adebayo was certainly a beast inside. Adebayo also shot well from the line which will be big for a player with his skillset.
Ball has exceeded my expectations. Better all around player than I thought and he's effective without the ball. Coming in as a freshman and taking charge of an experienced team says a lot for his maturity and leadership.
Fox is on his way to becoming my favorite (not best) player in this draft. Just needs to develop his jump shot. Adebayo has looked better each time I've seen him. For someone so large, to be able to step out on the perimeter and defend so well is very impressive.
I didn't know anything about Fox coming in to today's game, but his jump shot looked pretty solid. He's got good size for a point too.
I noticed the same thing about Adebayo. If he develops some offensive skills he'll be a real force.
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
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UPDATE: Sunday, 12/4
2 p.m. ACC/NS Clemson Jaron Blossomgame
4 p.m. ESPN2 Indiana Thomas Bryant and OG Anunoby (May not play, ankle)
4 p.m. CBSSN Fla. St. Jonathan Isaac, Dwayne Bacon
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Draft Express has a couple good videos up on Ball and Fox from yesterday's game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-Lonzo-Ball-vs-Kentucky-5730/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-DeAaron-Fox-vs-UCLA-5729/
Does anyone else find it impossible to listen to these with the sound on? Just brutal music choices.
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
Yeah really liked what I saw from Bolden. Used his length to change shots around the rim, exhibited a back to the basket game, and was grabbing O-Reb. He really looks like the game changing talent that we need in the frontcourt to make us a dangerous team. Definitely can't wait to see more!!
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
Yeah really liked what I saw from Bolden. Used his length to change shots around the rim, exhibited a back to the basket game, and was grabbing O-Reb. He really looks like the game changing talent that we need in the frontcourt to make us a dangerous team. Definitely can't wait to see more!!
TP...That's good news about Bolden. The more bigs at the top of the draft, the better for us and our pick. Right now Giles (?), Markkanen and Raab are the only ones deserving to be in the top 20. Jarrett Allen from Texas looks a long way away and I only see his stock slipping before it might go up again.
Thomas Bryant is someone that could move up in the mocks. He's on now with Indiana, but I haven't been able to watch.
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Draft Express has a couple good videos up on Ball and Fox from yesterday's game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-Lonzo-Ball-vs-Kentucky-5730/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-DeAaron-Fox-vs-UCLA-5729/
Does anyone else find it impossible to listen to these with the sound on? Just brutal music choices.
TP, 'dawg, and thanks for the vids.
Ball's presence, maturity and leadership impress me as well as his skills. (I know that i've said this before)
Fox's under control quickness is extremely impressive.
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
Yeah really liked what I saw from Bolden. Used his length to change shots around the rim, exhibited a back to the basket game, and was grabbing O-Reb. He really looks like the game changing talent that we need in the frontcourt to make us a dangerous team. Definitely can't wait to see more!!
Only saw part of the 2nd half so didn't get to see Bolden too much. Bolden is going to have to look really, really good to make it into the top 5 of this draft. Next viewing is Tuesday at 9:00 on ESPN. Maybe Giles will be playing too.
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
Yeah really liked what I saw from Bolden. Used his length to change shots around the rim, exhibited a back to the basket game, and was grabbing O-Reb. He really looks like the game changing talent that we need in the frontcourt to make us a dangerous team. Definitely can't wait to see more!!
TP...That's good news about Bolden. The more bigs at the top of the draft, the better for us and our pick. Right now Giles (?), Markkanen and Raab are the only ones deserving to be in the top 20. Jarrett Allen from Texas looks a long way away and I only see his stock slipping before it might go up again.
Thomas Bryant is someone that could move up in the mocks. He's on now with Indiana, but I haven't been able to watch.
If I were the Celtics as for today and let's say we ended up with the 5th overall pick this would be my big board:
1. Jaysom Tatum
2.Marques Bolden
3. Ivan Rabb
4. Harry Giles
5. De'Aaron Fox
God this is such a deep and exciting draft!!!!!
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
Yeah really liked what I saw from Bolden. Used his length to change shots around the rim, exhibited a back to the basket game, and was grabbing O-Reb. He really looks like the game changing talent that we need in the frontcourt to make us a dangerous team. Definitely can't wait to see more!!
Only saw part of the 2nd half so didn't get to see Bolden too much. Bolden is going to have to look really, really good to make it into the top 5 of this draft. Next viewing is Tuesday at 9:00 on ESPN. Maybe Giles will be playing too.
I missed Bryant today. Did/are you watching him. If so, what do you think. He has looked real solid to me in other games that I saw him.
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Draft Express has a couple good videos up on Ball and Fox from yesterday's game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-Lonzo-Ball-vs-Kentucky-5730/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-DeAaron-Fox-vs-UCLA-5729/
Does anyone else find it impossible to listen to these with the sound on? Just brutal music choices.
TP, 'dawg, and thanks for the vids.
Ball's presence, maturity and leadership impress me as well as his skills. (I know that i've said this before)
Fox's under control quickness is extremely impressive.
Ball looks bad. If he struggles vs the strength and athleticism of UK, he'll struggle vs the strength and athleticism of the NBA.
It looks cool when he pulls up from long range and they go in, but he's gotta shoot it a lot better than 2-8 if he's gonna keep that Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. up. This kid has B-U-S-T written all over him.
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Looks like Tatum is back from injury today. He is currently playing.
Bolden played too. So now just need Giles back. DraftExpress has Tatum and Jackson as the same size but Tatum appears significantly bigger.
Yeah really liked what I saw from Bolden. Used his length to change shots around the rim, exhibited a back to the basket game, and was grabbing O-Reb. He really looks like the game changing talent that we need in the frontcourt to make us a dangerous team. Definitely can't wait to see more!!
Only saw part of the 2nd half so didn't get to see Bolden too much. Bolden is going to have to look really, really good to make it into the top 5 of this draft. Next viewing is Tuesday at 9:00 on ESPN. Maybe Giles will be playing too.
I missed Bryant today. Did/are you watching him. If so, what do you think. He has looked real solid to me in other games that I saw him.
I didn't see today's game but I've seen him in a few others this year. Bryant looks like a solid college player but I don't see him being a lottery pick in this draft. Someone on here compared him to Embiid but I don't see it.
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Funny, this time of year the mocks are all over the place. Nbadraft.net has Bryant in the 40s but DRaftexpress has him at 22, not far from the lottery, with plenty of time to move up...or down.
The times that I've watched him, he's looked real solid, kind of an anchor for the team. This from NBA draft.net:
Strengths: Possesses great length with a 7'5 wingspan, a 9'3.5 standing reach and solid athleticism … Competitor. Plays with great intensity, passion, and aggression … Hustles hard, runs the floor well ... Great finisher around the basket … Finishes well in transition but also knows how to play in a half court setting … Great rebounder. Crashes the glass on offense. Does an excellent job of keeping the ball high on offensive rebounds and not letting smaller defenders get a hand on it … Can face up and shoot, all the way out to the three if the defender is sagging off … Reliable, good teammate who has the ability to put his team on his back ... Active, doesn’t take plays off. Isn’t the type to stand around and wait for something to happen … Good defender. Active hands. Protects the paint, blocks shots, good help defender … Isn’t afraid to bang in the paint … His intensity and desire gives him a lot of promise as these are qualities you don't often find in a talented young bigman ...
Weaknesses: Not the most fluid or athletic player, but his great intensity helps combat this ... His great length gives him shot blocking potential, however he lacks explosive leaping ability ... Feet appear somewhat anchored to the floor as he isn't good at moving laterally ... Still needs to develop his low post game ... While he makes a high percentage of his shots in the paint, he needs to develop his footwork and back to the basket game moving forward ... He has made strides in filling out his frame over the past few years but still has room to get stronger ...
Outlook: Indiana landed a good one in Thomas Bryant. He does have an unorthodox playing style, one coach described as “awkward but effective”. Bryant has done a great job against players who received more praise by evaluators, often times outplaying them. After losing five top 100 players last season, he has stepped up as the leader of a very talented Huntington Prep team and should contribute as soon as he arrives on campus at Indiana.
Having a hard time thinking of a comp for him. They say Chris Kaman.
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Draft Express has a couple good videos up on Ball and Fox from yesterday's game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-Lonzo-Ball-vs-Kentucky-5730/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-DeAaron-Fox-vs-UCLA-5729/
Does anyone else find it impossible to listen to these with the sound on? Just brutal music choices.
Geez, it is just one video of just one game, but ball looked utterly lost on defense. He has zero idea of how to play off a pick and basically didn't seem to care much.
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Anyone as impressed with Ivan Rabb as I am? Guy looks like a lock for a top 5 pick even in this deep draft. Is averaging per 40 numbers of 25 ppg and 13 rpg!!! I was watching his game and he was hitting beautiful post fadeaways, finishing around the rim, and working on the block.
I think I'm falling in love with the idea of Ivan Rabb in a Celtics uniform.
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Draft Express has a couple good videos up on Ball and Fox from yesterday's game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-Lonzo-Ball-vs-Kentucky-5730/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-DeAaron-Fox-vs-UCLA-5729/
Does anyone else find it impossible to listen to these with the sound on? Just brutal music choices.
Geez, it is just one video of just one game, but ball looked utterly lost on defense. He has zero idea of how to play off a pick and basically didn't seem to care much.
I appreciate your candor of acknowledging "one video, one game".
Ball had a rough start heaving 3s especially. But, he came through when he needed to with some really timely plays.
He led his team to a win at Rupp, historically a difficult place to play, against the deserved #1 team in the country. Kentucky has arguably 4 players (Fox, Abedayo, Monk, who I think is their best player right now and Briscoe) who are better athletes than anyone except Ball on UCLA.
It took Ball a while to adjust to this type of collective athleticism that he has never faced before in a hostile environment, all the while playing all but 2 minutes of the game. His 38 minutes was more than any player on either team, as a freshman on a team with a bunch of upperclassmen. This is Ball's team, and he led them to a win.
And really, even if you look at the stat-line closely, he and Fox were not that far apart, despite the fact that Fox had a better supporting cast.
Ball and Fox are pretty close in my mind right now. Fox is an electric player, Ball is a winner.
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Anyone as impressed with Ivan Rabb as I am? Guy looks like a lock for a top 5 pick even in this deep draft. Is averaging per 40 numbers of 25 ppg and 13 rpg!!! I was watching his game and he was hitting beautiful post fadeaways, finishing around the rim, and working on the block.
I think I'm falling in love with the idea of Ivan Rabb in a Celtics uniform.
I wish he had come out last year. A Brown-Rabb draft would have been great for us. I'm not sure that we'll have an opportunity to take him this year, unless something drastic happens to either make him jump way up (which would be great) or the Nets go on a run
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Draft Express has a couple good videos up on Ball and Fox from yesterday's game.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-Lonzo-Ball-vs-Kentucky-5730/
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Matchup-Video-DeAaron-Fox-vs-UCLA-5729/
Does anyone else find it impossible to listen to these with the sound on? Just brutal music choices.
Geez, it is just one video of just one game, but ball looked utterly lost on defense. He has zero idea of how to play off a pick and basically didn't seem to care much.
I appreciate your candor of acknowledging "one video, one game".
Ball had a rough start heaving 3s especially. But, he came through when he needed to with some really timely plays.
He led his team to a win at Rupp, historically a difficult place to play, against the deserved #1 team in the country. Kentucky has arguably 4 players (Fox, Abedayo, Monk, who I think is their best player right now and Briscoe) who are better athletes than anyone except Ball on UCLA.
It took Ball a while to adjust to this type of collective athleticism that he has never faced before in a hostile environment, all the while playing all but 2 minutes of the game. His 38 minutes was more than any player on either team, as a freshman on a team with a bunch of upperclassmen. This is Ball's team, and he led them to a win.
And really, even if you look at the stat-line closely, he and Fox were not that far apart, despite the fact that Fox had a better supporting cast.
Ball and Fox are pretty close in my mind right now. Fox is an electric player, Ball is a winner.
Watching the game I got a pretty similar impression of Ball. Lots of warts in his game, but has amazing court vision and length. People keep dissing the form on his shot but I didn't think it was too bad, a little low on the release, but he's quick with it. Has real NBA range. Moves well, very fluid. Needs to work on his strength and defensive intensity.
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Not many potential draft picks to watch tonight.
UPDATE: Monday 12/5
7 p.m. ESPN2 Syracuse (the two Tylers, Lydon and Roberson)
vs UCONN (Amida Bridah)
8 p.m. SECN Texas A&M Robert Williams (this kid could be a monster)
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I just turned off the Syracuse UConn game. Couldn't watch.
PAINFUL
5 1/2 minutes into the game and the score was 3-2.
PITIFUL
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UPDATE: Tuesday 12/6.....lots of draftees in action
7 p.m. ESPNU MSU Miles Bridges
7 p.m. ACCN FSU Jonathan Isaac, Dwayne Bacon
7 p.m. FS1 Cal Ivan Rabb
8 p.m. ESPN3 Kan Josh Jackson
9 p.m. ESPN Duke Tatum, Bolden, Allen (no Giles yet)
9 p.m. ESPN2 Texas Jarrett Allen
10 p.m. PAC12N Arizona Markkanen, Alkins
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Michigan has a pretty weak frontcourt. If Jarrett Allen can't get it going against them tonight, we need to take him off this list.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 12/6.....lots of draftees in action
7 p.m. ESPNU MSU Miles Bridges
7 p.m. ACCN FSU Jonathan Isaac, Dwayne Bacon
7 p.m. FS1 Cal Ivan Rabb
8 p.m. ESPN3 Kan Josh Jackson
9 p.m. ESPN Duke Tatum, Bolden, Allen (no Giles yet)
9 p.m. ESPN2 Texas Jarrett Allen
10 p.m. PAC12N Arizona Markkanen, Alkins
I didn't know Tatum and Bolden are coming back. That is great news, I'm excited to watch Tatum especially.
From the clips I've seen of him, he reminds me of Paul Pierce. I think long term him and Jaylen will have enough size to be our starting 3/4 combo that switches everything.
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Michigan has a pretty weak frontcourt. If Jarrett Allen can't get it going against them tonight, we need to take him off this list.
I agree....Allen has looked weak (physically and mentally) and lost the times that I have seen him.
I didn't see his last game vs "Bama, but he started and only played 19 minutes with 0 RB, 0 Assts, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 TO and 4 fouls.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 12/6.....lots of draftees in action
7 p.m. ESPNU MSU Miles Bridges
7 p.m. ACCN FSU Jonathan Isaac, Dwayne Bacon
7 p.m. FS1 Cal Ivan Rabb
8 p.m. ESPN3 Kan Josh Jackson
9 p.m. ESPN Duke Tatum, Bolden, Allen (no Giles yet)
9 p.m. ESPN2 Texas Jarrett Allen
10 p.m. PAC12N Arizona Markkanen, Alkins
I didn't know Tatum and Bolden are coming back. That is great news, I'm excited to watch Tatum especially.
From the clips I've seen of him, he reminds me of Paul Pierce. I think long term him and Jaylen will have enough size to be our starting 3/4 combo that switches everything.
This is their second game back. Tatum played 20 minutes and Bolden 12 in that first game. Supposedly Giles has been practicing with the team but no word on when he's going to play for the first time.
this from the Duke Chronicle:
The good news for the Blue Devils is that Tatum and Bolden showed flashes of what made them two of the most highly-touted recruits in the country a year ago. Although Tatum finished with 10 points on just 2-of-8 shooting from the floor in 20 minutes before cramping up, the swingman showed the ability to get to the basket at will in transition.
Bolden was the first player off the bench for Duke Saturday and was largely held in check outside of consecutive putbacks in the second half. The big man finished with seven points and five rebounds in just 12 minutes, but will likely see more time Tuesday.
Duke's being cautious with them as they should be.
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Caught the second half of the Duke game, Tatum was very impressive. A more polished Jaylen Brown. Kennard continues to impress. No Bolden.
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Michigan has a pretty weak frontcourt. If Jarrett Allen can't get it going against them tonight, we need to take him off this list.
I agree....Allen has looked weak (physically and mentally) and lost the times that I have seen him.
I didn't see his last game vs "Bama, but he started and only played 19 minutes with 0 RB, 0 Assts, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 TO and 4 fouls.
Another poor outing by Allen. 6 points and 4 boards in 3-6 shooting. Also 4 TOs and fouled out. Michigan's bigs, who both look like 2018 second rounders at best, thoroughly outplayed him.
Allen needs to be dropped from this thread. He would be foolish to enter the draft the way he's played, and teams would be foolish to draft him.
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Michigan has a pretty weak frontcourt. If Jarrett Allen can't get it going against them tonight, we need to take him off this list.
I agree....Allen has looked weak (physically and mentally) and lost the times that I have seen him.
I didn't see his last game vs "Bama, but he started and only played 19 minutes with 0 RB, 0 Assts, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 TO and 4 fouls.
Another poor outing by Allen. 6 points and 4 boards in 3-6 shooting. Also 4 TOs and fouled out. Michigan's bigs, who both look like 2018 second rounders at best, thoroughly outplayed him.
Allen needs to be dropped from this thread. He would be foolish to enter the draft the way he's played, and teams would be foolish to draft him.
Thanks for the update...he's OUTTA HERE!!
Only game I could catch tonite was second half of Zona. Markkanen runs the floor well, has good court awareness and a silky smooth 3 🏀🏀🏀.
Rawle Alkins. Really impressed me on one play. Made a steal in the lane, started the break, fed a streaking player down court who missed a layup but Alkins ,trailing the play, skied and made a LOUD jam follow.
Alkins is physically very impressive for a freshman guard. 6'4", 225. Compared to aTyreke and Sir Lance by nbadraft.net.
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I was high on Allen but have to agree he is falling out of possible 2017 draft consideration. He seems like he can still have moments in college but to go for the draft you have to dominate to some degree in college IMO. He just isn't ready.
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Potential Draftees on tonight:
UPDATE: Wednesday, 12/7
7 p.m. FS1 Cal Ivan Rabb
8 p.m. SEC/ESPN (regional) KY Monk, Fox, Adebayo
8 p.m. SEC/ESPN (regional) Texas A&M Robert Williams
9 p.m. PAC12N Xavier Edmond Sumner
11 p.m. ESPN2 Washington Markelle Fultz
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I was high on Allen but have to agree he is falling out of possible 2017 draft consideration. He seems like he can still have moments in college but to go for the draft you have to dominate to some degree in college IMO. He just isn't ready.
DE agrees with you, they've taken him out of the 2017 Mock and put him in 2018.
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Washington against Gonzaga will be an opportunity to see Fultz against good competition.
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Tatum is the real deal. He is gonna go 2nd in the draft.
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Tatum is the real deal. He is gonna go 2nd in the draft.
Preach!! Tp
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Washington against Gonzaga will be an opportunity to see Fultz against good competition.
Washington is getting destroyed at the half by the Zags 47-22.
Fultz a non-factor. Some of these games he's starting to have the same impact as Ben Simmons at LSU....and that's not a compliment.
I've watched him a few times and really haven't been wowed.
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Slim pickin's tonight, but only in quantity:
UPDATE: Thursday, December 8
9 p.m. ESPNU Florida State Jonathan Isaac (This kid could go top 5)
Dwayne Bacon
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Tatum is the real deal. He is gonna go 2nd in the draft.
I called that first. You can take seconds though..
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Yeah, saw some of that Duke game on Tuesday. They handled Florida pretty easily, considering a couple of their top players didn't play well (Allen) or didn't play much (Bolden) or didn't play at all (Giles). They have a very experienced and deep back-court that can shoot the lights out so that'll take them deep in the tourney. That is one loaded, deep team. Kentucky-esque from 2 years ago.
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Tatum is the real deal. He is gonna go 2nd in the draft.
I called that first. You can take seconds though..
Honestly Im quickly falling in love with tatum. The guy is enormous for a wing, plays a herky jerky stylw, is a very good shooter, and is a good rebounder. Im starting to want him if we dont trade the pick. He could be our paul pierce in a few years.
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12/10 Prospect watching
Noon ESPN2 - Arizona: Markkanen
3:15 ESPN - Kansas: Josh Jackson
4:00 Big Ten - Indiana: Bryant, Anunoby (still out?)
4:00 ACC - NC State: Dennis Smith
5:15 ESPN - Duke: Tatum, Bolden, Allen, Giles (still out?)
5:30 FOX - Xavier: Sumner
8:00 ESPN2 - UCLA: Ball
8:00 SEC - Texas A&M: Robert Williams
10:30 Pac12 - California: Rabb
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12/10 Prospect watching
Noon ESPN2 - Arizona: Markkanen
3:15 ESPN - Kansas: Josh Jackson
4:00 Big Ten - Indiana: Bryant, Anunoby (still out?)
4:00 ACC - NC State: Dennis Smith
5:15 ESPN - Duke: Tatum, Bolden, Allen, Giles (still out?)
5:30 FOX - Xavier: Sumner
8:00 ESPN2 - UCLA: Ball
8:00 SEC - Texas A&M: Robert Williams
10:30 Pac12 - California: Rabb
TP, tazz, thanks for the update.
Four other players to keep an eye on:
in the Duke Game, Kennard is rising in the polls (very scary team when/if all healthy)
2 p.m. BTN Michigan State Miles Bridges
3:15 ESPN Kansas Josh Jackson
7 p.m. CBSSN San Diego State Malik Pope
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12/10 Prospect watching
Noon ESPN2 - Arizona: Markkanen
3:15 ESPN - Kansas: Josh Jackson
4:00 Big Ten - Indiana: Bryant, Anunoby (still out?)
4:00 ACC - NC State: Dennis Smith
5:15 ESPN - Duke: Tatum, Bolden, Allen, Giles (still out?)
5:30 FOX - Xavier: Sumner
8:00 ESPN2 - UCLA: Ball
8:00 SEC - Texas A&M: Robert Williams
10:30 Pac12 - California: Rabb
TP, tazz, thanks for the update.
Four other players to keep an eye on:
in the Duke Game, Kennard is rising in the polls (very scary team when/if all healthy)
2 p.m. BTN Michigan State Miles Bridges
3:15 ESPN Kansas Josh Jackson
7 p.m. CBSSN San Diego State Malik Pope
Miles Bridges is out a few weeks with an ankle injury. Looks like Harry Giles 1st game may be Dec 19.
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Duke crushes UNLV. Tatum looked good, in a limited role. Allen had a monster game. Bolden didn't impress, he's a legit big dude, but looked slow and didn't flash much in the way of skill.
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Big-time shoot out at Pauley pavilion.
UCLA 50-Michigan 50 at half.
Mich 12/16 from 3.
UCLA10-14.
More and more impressed by Ball.
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yeah put me on the ball bandwagon. wow. jason kidd esque w a better jumper. hoping we get him big time.
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Big-time shoot out at Pauley pavilion.
UCLA 50-Michigan 50 at half.
Mich 12/16 from 3.
UCLA10-14.
More and more impressed by Ball.
Need to add Leaf to the prospect list. If he keeps playing as well as he has so far, he probably should put himself in this draft.
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Big-time shoot out at Pauley pavilion.
UCLA 50-Michigan 50 at half.
Mich 12/16 from 3.
UCLA10-14.
More and more impressed by Ball.
Need to add Leaf to the prospect list. If he keeps playing as well as he has so far, he probably should put himself in this draft.
Leaf looked good against Kentucky too. Aggressive and athletic with range.
Tacko Fall is pretty far down most mocks, but this video of him having a strong game against Villanova makes him looking intriguing. He's just huge and moves pretty well.
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yeah put me on the ball bandwagon. wow. jason kidd esque w a better jumper. hoping we get him big time.
i dont know. i watched only part of one game and when ball was called upon to play defense he was absolutely terrible. i mean, lost in the woods on switches, went for many fakes, and often just seemed to not really care about it.
it might be only time he was like that. but it worried me.
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12/11 Prospect watching
3:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Monk, Fox, Bam
4:00 ESPNU - Florida State: Isaac
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Dwayne Bacon lighting it up for FSU.
I like Isaac a lot, but Bacon has improved tremendously, and will go first round this year.
Last year, he was in the first round mocks for most of the year. He pulled out of the draft to return to school. Not only did he show maturity by doing that, but he is gone from someone who was touted mainly for his Athletic talents and worked very hard over the summer on many aspects of his game. He shot 26% from three point Land last year and is up to 40% this year.
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Dwayne Bacon lighting it up for FSU.
I like Isaac a lot, but Bacon has improved tremendously, and will go first round this year.
Last year, he was in the first round mocks for most of the year. He pulled out of the draft to return to school. Not only did he show maturity by doing that, but he is gone from someone who was touted mainly for his Athletic talents and worked very hard over the summer on many aspects of his game. He shot 26% from three point Land last year and is up to 40% this year.
That is awesome to hear about Bacon. Im just curious why staying in college is viewed as a sign of maturity? Because he recognized he is not ready and stayed? (Honestly curious about your view point) Because in a vacuum personally I view staying in college as not ready to test yourself in the real world against much better competition. I think it takes a ton of maturity to realize it will be tough, but to go to the league now because you have that kind of confidence in yourself.
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Dwayne Bacon lighting it up for FSU.
I like Isaac a lot, but Bacon has improved tremendously, and will go first round this year.
Last year, he was in the first round mocks for most of the year. He pulled out of the draft to return to school. Not only did he show maturity by doing that, but he is gone from someone who was touted mainly for his Athletic talents and worked very hard over the summer on many aspects of his game. He shot 26% from three point Land last year and is up to 40% this year.
That is awesome to hear about Bacon. Im just curious why staying in college is viewed as a sign of maturity? Because he recognized he is not ready and stayed? (Honestly curious about your view point) Because in a vacuum personally I view staying in college as not ready to test yourself in the real world against much better competition. I think it takes a ton of maturity to realize it will be tough, but to go to the league now because you have that kind of confidence in yourself.
TP....interesting, thoughtful point of view.
Funny, the announcers were talking exactly about his recognizing that his game wasn't ready and how hard Bacon worked over the summer because " he didn't just want to make it to the next level, but to able to contribute substantially as soon as he got there."
They just said, after a Bacon 'and one, that he has become so much more efficient this year.
EDIT: but yeah, from a purely personal pov, anytime someone delays gratification for a greater reward down the road, that is indicative of maturity to me.
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UPDATE: Tuesday, 12/13
Slow night for prospects. Maybe final exam time?
7 p.m. ESPNU Jaron Blossomgame
10 p.m. PAC-12N Oregon (these guys will all likely be 2nd rounders, but
fun to watch)
the 3 Bs: Boucher, Brooks and Bell
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Chris Boucher, 23/18/5 blocks tonight.
Big game coming up later this month vs UCLA.
Look for Oregon to give them a run for their money.
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Dwayne Bacon lighting it up for FSU.
I like Isaac a lot, but Bacon has improved tremendously, and will go first round this year.
Last year, he was in the first round mocks for most of the year. He pulled out of the draft to return to school. Not only did he show maturity by doing that, but he is gone from someone who was touted mainly for his Athletic talents and worked very hard over the summer on many aspects of his game. He shot 26% from three point Land last year and is up to 40% this year.
That is awesome to hear about Bacon. Im just curious why staying in college is viewed as a sign of maturity? Because he recognized he is not ready and stayed? (Honestly curious about your view point) Because in a vacuum personally I view staying in college as not ready to test yourself in the real world against much better competition. I think it takes a ton of maturity to realize it will be tough, but to go to the league now because you have that kind of confidence in yourself.
Also, you need to cash in on your stock at its highest. If Bennett had stayed longer he probably wouldn't have got that behemoth rookie deal...
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UPDATE:
Wednesday December 14
10:30 PAC-12N UCLA Ball, Leaf
11:00 ESPNU Arizona Markkanen, Alkins, Simmons
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Dwayne Bacon lighting it up for FSU.
I like Isaac a lot, but Bacon has improved tremendously, and will go first round this year.
Last year, he was in the first round mocks for most of the year. He pulled out of the draft to return to school. Not only did he show maturity by doing that, but he is gone from someone who was touted mainly for his Athletic talents and worked very hard over the summer on many aspects of his game. He shot 26% from three point Land last year and is up to 40% this year.
That is awesome to hear about Bacon. Im just curious why staying in college is viewed as a sign of maturity? Because he recognized he is not ready and stayed? (Honestly curious about your view point) Because in a vacuum personally I view staying in college as not ready to test yourself in the real world against much better competition. I think it takes a ton of maturity to realize it will be tough, but to go to the league now because you have that kind of confidence in yourself.
TP....interesting, thoughtful point of view.
Funny, the announcers were talking exactly about his recognizing that his game wasn't ready and how hard Bacon worked over the summer because " he didn't just want to make it to the next level, but to able to contribute substantially as soon as he got there."
They just said, after a Bacon 'and one, that he has become so much more efficient this year.
EDIT: but yeah, from a purely personal pov, anytime someone delays gratification for a greater reward down the road, that is indicative of maturity to me.
Very interesting TP. The more I think about it, the less I can say staying in college OR going to the nba are signs of maturity. For example, the point you said about working on your game shows maturity, while some players may stay because they dont want to change their future (sign of immaturity.)
On the other hand, going to the nba right away because you think you are a top dog and dont have to work on your game is a sign of immaturity. Or if you realize you have reached the peak of your college development, and you can only get better against much better players (even as a freshy), that is mature. Or say you grew up in poverty, your parents live in poverty, and you are projected as a first round pick. You decide that while you love college, your family needs you to escape the cycle of poverty, so you go pro. Worst case scenario you bust hard, and ONLY make a few million. Your family is most likely better off now (assuming you dont blow it like an idiot.) That is a mature decision.
Basically I think I cant say its immature or mature one way or the other. Anyone can make either decision, and their personal reasons are what make it mature or immature. TP for giving me fuel to think about this more.
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Very interesting TP. The more I think about it, the less I can say staying in college OR going to the nba are signs of maturity. For example, the point you said about working on your game shows maturity, while some players may stay because they dont want to change their future (sign of immaturity.)
On the other hand, going to the nba right away because you think you are a top dog and dont have to work on your game is a sign of immaturity. Or if you realize you have reached the peak of your college development, and you can only get better against much better players (even as a freshy), that is mature. Or say you grew up in poverty, your parents live in poverty, and you are projected as a first round pick. You decide that while you love college, your family needs you to escape the cycle of poverty, so you go pro. Worst case scenario you bust hard, and ONLY make a few million. Your family is most likely better off now (assuming you dont blow it like an idiot.) That is a mature decision.
Basically I think I cant say its immature or mature one way or the other. Anyone can make either decision, and their personal reasons are what make it mature or immature. TP for giving me fuel to think about this more.
TP back atcha for the incisive, insightful post.
You got right to the core of the matter, inferring that motive and circumstance are far more determinative of maturity than specific acts in isolation. I agree.
Regarding Bacon, this from nbadraft.net prior to the 2015-2016 season. He was projected first round last year. Bacon probably didn't read this (or maybe he did) but it sure seems like that in retrospect that he took his Weaknesses (criticisms) to heart.
Strengths: Bacon is a wiry and long guard that can get off the ground explosively ... Explosive leaper ... Is lightening quick in the open floor ... Active in all areas and can have an impact from anywhere on the court ... Excels when going through the lane ... Terrific at finishing at the rim ... Will find creative ways to get contested shots to drop ... Plays well above the rim ... Improved his jump shot over his high school career ... Can now effectively score the ball from many spots on the court ... Has deep range ... Has the traits to develop into a high-level defender ... At his best and most comfortable on offense with the ball in his hand ... Dribbles the ball like a point guard ... Has the ball on a string at all times ... Able to both start and finish any fast break ... Uses his size to look over the defense and spot open players in traffic ... Capable of getting into the lane whenever he wants too ... Uses his length to wreak havoc in passing lanes ... Athletic enough to stick with just about any player on the perimeter ...
Weaknesses: Needs to develop a greater understanding of the game ... Can score at will, but seems to be naive to some of the subtle nuances of basketball ... Has to become better at playing off the ball ... Also will need to develop a midrange game as he continues to move up in levels of play ... Capable of making deep threes, yet isn't as consistent of a shooter as one would expect ... Has a tendency to let his demeanor and attitude change depending on whether he is having a good game or not ... Often interacts too much with referees and opposing players ... Teeters the line between cocky and confident ... Needs to show front offices that he has the desire and love of the game to put in the necessary work to become a great player ...
Notes: Selected to 2015 McDonald's All-American and Jordan Brand Classic games ... Measured in at 6'5" 202 lbs with a 6'8" wingspan at 2013 Nike Elite 100 camp ... Looked to have noticeably filled out his frame during the 2015 high school all-star events ...
Overall: Bacon has the skill and size to make an immediate impact next year at Florida State. His main areas of development will come in terms of personality. He could probably suit up in a NBA game now and score, but needs to continue to sharpen his all around game. It will be interesting to see how he meshes with Xavier Rathan-Mayes at FSU next year, was always the alpha dog (even at Oak Hill Academy). If he is capable of putting everything together could become one of the best prospects in the entire 2016 class.
Brandon Jefferson 7/9/15
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UPDATE: Thursday, 12/15
Pretty slim pickings tonite:
7 p.m. ESPNU NC State Smith, Yurtseven still suspended
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I was wrong.
Prized recruit, Yurtseven will play in his first NCAA game back from suspension foR NC State.
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Saturday 12/18 Prospect watching
Noon ESPN2 - Arizona: Markannen vs. Texas A&M: Robert Williams
Noon ESPN - Syracuse: Lydon
1:30 FS2 - Florida St: Isaaac, Bacon
3:00 CBS - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
5:00 BTN - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
5:45 CBS - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
7:00 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
8:00 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
8:00 Pac12 - California: Rabb
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Saturday 12/18 Prospect watching
Noon ESPN2 - Arizona: Markannen vs. Texas A&M: Robert Williams
Noon ESPN - Syracuse: Lydon
1:30 FS2 - Florida St: Isaaac, Bacon
3:00 CBS - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
5:00 BTN - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
5:45 CBS - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
7:00 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
8:00 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
8:00 Pac12 - California: Rabb
TP, tazz for the update.
Also, if anyone is up late and wants to watch college hoops, Oregon is playing at 11:00 EST on ESPN2;
4 fun guys to watch there are, who will most likely be 2nd round picks, but I can see Boucher sneaking into the first:
Boucher
Bell
Brooks
Dorsey.
This Oregon team is gaining steam and I look forward to them hosting UCLA later this month. I think that they have a shot a beating them.
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dang, robert williams, ordinary name, extraordinary prospect. dudes a beast.
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I am on the Williams bandwagon. I have been on it since the John Wooden classic title game versus UCLA A few weeks ago. The guy can one The floor, rebound like an animal and block shots with the fiesta competitive nature.
The other two guys that I like today who played for Arizona aside from Markkanen are Alkins and Simons, probably second rounders.
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I am on the Williams bandwagon. I have been on it since the John Wooden classic title game versus UCLA A few weeks ago. The guy can one The floor, rebound like an animal and block shots with the fiesta competitive nature.
The other two guys that I like today who played for Arizona aside from Markkanen are Alkins and Simons, probably second rounders.
Markannen and Williams looked really good today. Didn't realize Alkins was just a freshmen. He and Simmons would probably be better off staying at Arizona for another year. Another potential prospect is Allonzo Trier. He looked good in his freshman season but is now in some NCAA limbo. If it goes on much longer, he ought to leave and go to the D League.
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all the zona kids could use another year. simmons and markaanen need the weight room. alkins needs to refine his skills. saw them play in tucson recently. alkins already has the nba body like richard jefferson.
trier is a scorer. not sure what he does in the nba.
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all the zona kids could use another year. simmons and markaanen need the weight room. alkins needs to refine his skills. saw them play in tucson recently. alkins already has the nba body like richard jefferson.
trier is a scorer. not sure what he does in the nba.
Markkanen will be a lottery pick. Probably top 10. He's not going to gain anything by staying at Arizona for another year. He'll develop better with NBA training and coaching.
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Malik Monk is absolutely unconscious.
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Not sure exactly where to put this, here it is.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/harry-giles-close-to-return-from-injury-says-duke-assistant-jeff-capel/
We may see Giles soon.
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Not sure exactly where to put this, here it is.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/harry-giles-close-to-return-from-injury-says-duke-assistant-jeff-capel/
We may see Giles soon.
It was already posted in the Harry Giles thread that he may make his debut on Monday. Thanks for that link though as there wasn't one in his thread.
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To recap yesterday, Kentucky versus North Carolina was a great game and really fun to watch. Monk and Fox showed why they're top 10 prospects. I'll give kudos to Justin Jackson who I haven't thought much of. He really stepped up and hit some tough shots to offset Monk's onslaught. Hopefully there will be a repeat in the final four.
Arizona versus Texas A&M turned into a real nail biter at the end with Robert Williams being the key for A&M's comeback. If he keeps improving, he could end up late lottery. Markkanen showed all the skills for an NBA stretch 4. If the Nets pick isn't top 5, I'd be happy taking him to replace Olynyk.
Also got to watch Ball and Jackson perform well again and Tyler Lydon stepped up to have a very nice game.
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Yeah that Kentucky Carolina game was insane. Thought NC was going to pull it out, but Monk hit a big shot. Monk was unconscious, but I still come away even more impressed with Fox. As you said, Jackson seems to be really emerging, he's always been an intriguing player because of his length and athleticism, finally starting to develop consistent offensive skills.
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Prospect viewing for 12/18 is rather slim.
2:00 ACCN - NC State: Dennis Smith
7:00 BTN - Michigan State: Bridges
8:00 PAC12 - Washington: Fultz
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UPDATE:
Sunday 12/18
2 p.m. ACC/ESPN NC ST Smith
4 p.m ESPNU Clemson Blossomgame
8 p.m PAC-12 Washington Fultz
EDIT : tazz, you beat me...haha...TP.....also I think Bridges still out
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UPDATE:
Sunday 12/18
2 p.m. ACC/ESPN NC ST Smith
4 p.m ESPNU Clemson Blossomgame
8 p.m PAC-12 Washington Fultz
EDIT : tazz, you beat me...haha...TP.....also I think Bridges still out
TP back at you. I'd forgotten Bridges was out.
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Yeah that Kentucky Carolina game was insane. Thought NC was going to pull it out, but Monk hit a big shot. Monk was unconscious, but I still come away even more impressed with Fox. As you said, Jackson seems to be really emerging, he's always been an intriguing player because of his length and athleticism, finally starting to develop consistent offensive skills.
Most enjoyable complete game I've seen in quite a while. Felt like every possession mattered which is unusual for a high scoring game. Jackson hasn't stood out to me in the past. Had a Jeff Green vibe. After this performance, I wouldn't mind if we used the TWolves 2nd on him.
Fox is my favorite player in this draft class. He's not the best player or the best fit for our current roster but I'd be hyped if we got him. Just so much fun to watch him. Other than his 3pt shooting which can be worked on, he's everything I want a PG to be.
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Prospect watching for 12/19
2:00 ACCN - Florida State: Isaac
7:00 ESPN2 - Duke: Tatum, Bolden, Giles (1st game back?), Allen ...
8:00 BTN - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
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Prospect watching for 12/19
2:00 ACCN - Florida State: Isaac
7:00 ESPN2 - Duke: Tatum, Bolden, Giles (1st game back?), Allen ...
8:00 BTN - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
TP...good head's up on early FSU game (2p.m. on a Monday?...weird)
Two other players to watch:
For FSU: Dwayne Bacon (their best player so far and projected first rounder in '16, he will go first round this year)
For Duke: Kennard (also their best player so far due to others' injuries)
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Harry Giles playing his first minutes of NCAA ball RIGHT NOW!!!!
EDIT: Looked very tentative in his first stint. (Understandable, I guess.)
Additional Edit: commentator at halftime said it looked like he was dragging his left leg, so maybe not ready. :(
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Harry Giles playing his first minutes of NCAA ball RIGHT NOW!!!!
EDIT: Looked very tentative in his first stint. (Understandable, I guess.)
Additional Edit: commentator at halftime said it looked like he was dragging his left leg, so maybe not ready. :(
That was rather anticlimactic. Hopefully Giles will get some more playing time next time.
Prospect watching for 12/20
6:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
9:00 Pac12 - Arizona: Markkanen
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Harry Giles playing his first minutes of NCAA ball RIGHT NOW!!!!
EDIT: Looked very tentative in his first stint. (Understandable, I guess.)
Additional Edit: commentator at halftime said it looked like he was dragging his left leg, so maybe not ready. :(
That was rather anticlimactic. Hopefully Giles will get some more playing time next time.
Prospect watching for 12/20
6:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
9:00 Pac12 - Arizona: Markkanen
Sounds horrible, but I lol'd. Kid has blown out both knees by age 18. Seems almost unprecedented for a talent of his caliber. Plenty of healthy elite prospects to choose from this draft. Would be an interesting scenario if BKN landed outside the top 3 and Giles slid, though...
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Harry Giles playing his first minutes of NCAA ball RIGHT NOW!!!!
EDIT: Looked very tentative in his first stint. (Understandable, I guess.)
Additional Edit: commentator at halftime said it looked like he was dragging his left leg, so maybe not ready. :(
That was rather anticlimactic. Hopefully Giles will get some more playing time next time.
Prospect watching for 12/20
6:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
9:00 Pac12 - Arizona: Markkanen
I really hope we (BKN) don't slide down far enough to pick this kid. I'd rather pick one of the top guards than him. I still think he may return to school but he's too much of a Frank Kaminsky/Kelly Olynyk for my liking.
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Harry Giles playing his first minutes of NCAA ball RIGHT NOW!!!!
EDIT: Looked very tentative in his first stint. (Understandable, I guess.)
Additional Edit: commentator at halftime said it looked like he was dragging his left leg, so maybe not ready. :(
That was rather anticlimactic. Hopefully Giles will get some more playing time next time.
Prospect watching for 12/20
6:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
9:00 Pac12 - Arizona: Markkanen
I really hope we (BKN) don't slide down far enough to pick this kid. I'd rather pick one of the top guards than him. I still think he may return to school but he's too much of a Frank Kaminsky/Kelly Olynyk for my liking.
I'd say Markkanen could replace Olynyk now and he's 6 years younger. He's probably not a top 5 pick in this draft. If the Nets pick slides out of the top 5 or so, I'd be fine with taking Markkanen and letting Olynyk walk. However my preference in that scenario would probably be to take Fox.
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Top prospect watching for
12/2012/21
6:00 ESPN2 - Duke: Giles (2nd game back), Tatum, Bolden, Allen ...
7:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam vs Louisville Fun rivalry game to watch
9:00 ESPNU - Clemson: Blossomgame
10:00 ESPN2 - California: Rabb
11:00 PAC12 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
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Top prospect watching for 12/20
6:00 ESPN2 - Duke: Giles (2nd game back), Tatum, Bolden, Allen ...
7:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam vs Louisville Fun rivalry game to watch
9:00 ESPNU - Clemson: Blossomgame
10:00 ESPN2 - California: Rabb
11:00 PAC12 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
You may want to change the date for these games :)
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Top prospect watching for 12/20
6:00 ESPN2 - Duke: Giles (2nd game back), Tatum, Bolden, Allen ...
7:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam vs Louisville Fun rivalry game to watch
9:00 ESPNU - Clemson: Blossomgame
10:00 ESPN2 - California: Rabb
11:00 PAC12 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
You may want to change the date for these games :)
Thanks. TP
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This on Giles:
“It’s just a matter of him being in shape,” Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said. “He hasn’t played in 14 months.”
For Giles, playing as a reserve and in limited minutes might take time to get used to.
“Just trying to figure it out, trying to get used to the speed. It was fast, too,” he said. “Just trying to figure it out and get a feel for it.
“Frustrating because how it went. … It was terrible, my performance. I just have to get better. … That was shaking the rust off, getting the kinks out.”
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/duke-freshman-giles-ready-for-more-action-vs-elon-122016
It's going to take a while.
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This on Giles:
“It’s just a matter of him being in shape,” Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said. “He hasn’t played in 14 months.”
For Giles, playing as a reserve and in limited minutes might take time to get used to.
“Just trying to figure it out, trying to get used to the speed. It was fast, too,” he said. “Just trying to figure it out and get a feel for it.
“Frustrating because how it went. … It was terrible, my performance. I just have to get better. … That was shaking the rust off, getting the kinks out.”
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/duke-freshman-giles-ready-for-more-action-vs-elon-122016
It's going to take a while.
Hopefully it does so we can nab him by trading for another first round pick
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Some interesting stuff on Duke game today.
Giles only played5-6 minutes, A couple of rebounds a point and a couple of fouls.
Bolden only 3 minutes, zero stat-line.
Greyson Allen was involved in ANOTHER (3 or 4 now, I think) intentional tripping incident. Then he lost his mind like a spoiled, bully child on the bench after the call.....National TV game....lots of NBA scouts there....what are you thinking, man?
Kennard was the best player on the floor again, very efficient, but Tatum had 4 blocks and looks like an NBA player already. Top 3 for me right now.
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Some interesting stuff on Duke game today.
Giles only played5-6 minutes, A couple of rebounds a point and a couple of fouls.
Bolden only 3 minutes, zero stat-line.
Greyson Allen was involved in ANOTHER (3 or 4 now, I think) intentional tripping incident. Then he lost his mind like a spoiled, bully child on the bench after the call.....National TV game....lots of NBA scouts there....what are you thinking, man?
Kennard was the best player on the floor again, very efficient, but Tatum had 4 blocks and looks like an NBA player already. Top 3 for me right now.
Going to be a while before we can truly evaluate Giles. He's clearly not comfortable on the court yet and there's little connection with his teammates.
Don't want Allen even with our worst 2nd. Coach K shouldn't have played him in the 2nd half. He needs to be suspended for a couple games and given some counseling.
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UPDATE: Thursday 12/22 (not much tonight, Cs on anyway)
Potential draftees to watch tonight:
7:00 ACC/ESPN NC State Dennis Smith
9:00 CBSSN. Kansas. Josh Jackson and 3 potential 2nd rounders: Mykhailiuk, Mason, Vick
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UPDATE: not much on tonight, conference pay starts in earnest tomorrow
Tuesday 12/27
7:00 ACCN Syracuse the two Tylers, Lydon and Roberson
9:00 ESPN Mich State Miles Bridges (doubtful)
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UPDATE: Wednesday 12/28: at long last, CONFERENCE PLAY
5 p.m. ESPN2 Fla St Isaac, Bacon
6:30 BTN Indiana Anunoby (questionable), Bryant
6:30 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart
7:00 ACCN (regional) Clemson Blossomgame
7:00 ACCN (regional) NC St Smith
7:00 ESPNU UNC Justin Jackson
9:00 PAC12N UCLA/Oregon Ball, Leaf/Boucher, Brooks, Bell (I'm really looking forward to this game; don't count out Oregon)
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I see no reason why Harry Giles should even come out this year.
It's a loaded draft and his stock is at an all-time low. Take the year to rehab and dominate college basketball next year.
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I see no reason why Harry Giles should even come out this year.
It's a loaded draft and his stock is at an all-time low. Take the year to rehab and dominate college basketball next year.
TP.
With all the anticipation and hype of Giles even just playing a game, I think that even the possibility of what you suggest has been lost and so hasn't been considered by many.
In support of your argument, assuming that he works his way back to playing health, that would be a prudent decision, both health-wise and draft stock-wise.
The flip side is that if he doesn't come out and gets re-injured, he's done. Look at Noel and Embiid. Injured, but still got taken in the lottery. Some team will take a chance on Giles this year, especially if he falls to later lottery. That's guaranteed $$$ for Giles, with the only down-side being that he could've made more, if he stayed and IF he remained healthy.
Also, next year's draft is loaded with bigs.
Tough decision. But I think that the short-term guaranteed $$$ is too much to pass up.
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I see no reason why Harry Giles should even come out this year.
It's a loaded draft and his stock is at an all-time low. Take the year to rehab and dominate college basketball next year.
Giles should absolutely leave after the year. Worst case scenario he's a first round, guaranteed contract pick right now (possibly still top 10 depending on how the year goes).
Worst case if he stays in school and gets injured again, he never has a professional basketball career.
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Ducks taking it to UCLA early.
Bruins coming back.
Great game as advertised.
Conference play is real college basketball. Finally!
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Next year might be loaded with bigs but a healthy Giles is a much better prospect than the guys next year.
I see no reason why Harry Giles should even come out this year.
It's a loaded draft and his stock is at an all-time low. Take the year to rehab and dominate college basketball next year.
TP.
With all the anticipation and hype of Giles even just playing a game, I think that even the possibility of what you suggest has been lost and so hasn't been considered by many.
In support of your argument, assuming that he works his way back to playing health, that would be a prudent decision, both health-wise and draft stock-wise.
The flip side is that if he doesn't come out and gets re-injured, he's done. Look at Noel and Embiid. Injured, but still got taken in the lottery. Some team will take a chance on Giles this year, especially if he falls to later lottery. That's guaranteed $$$ for Giles, with the only down-side being that he could've made more, if he stayed and IF he remained healthy.
Also, next year's draft is loaded with bigs.
Tough decision. But I think that the short-term guaranteed $$$ is too much to pass up.
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Next year might be loaded with bigs but a healthy Giles is a much better prospect than the guys next year.
I see no reason why Harry Giles should even come out this year.
It's a loaded draft and his stock is at an all-time low. Take the year to rehab and dominate college basketball next year.
TP.
With all the anticipation and hype of Giles even just playing a game, I think that even the possibility of what you suggest has been lost and so hasn't been considered by many.
In support of your argument, assuming that he works his way back to playing health, that would be a prudent decision, both health-wise and draft stock-wise.
The flip side is that if he doesn't come out and gets re-injured, he's done. Look at Noel and Embiid. Injured, but still got taken in the lottery. Some team will take a chance on Giles this year, especially if he falls to later lottery. That's guaranteed $$$ for Giles, with the only down-side being that he could've made more, if he stayed and IF he remained healthy.
Also, next year's draft is loaded with bigs.
Tough decision. But I think that the short-term guaranteed $$$ is too much to pass up.
I completely agree.
A healthy Giles is potentially a generational talent.
The healthy part is what may make a Giles go for the lesser, surer money this year, though.
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I think Giles is a top 10 pick without any production at Duke. I don't think he should pass up the opportunity to make millions to go back to Duke. If he plays well, he's still going to be a top 10 pick next year (prob top 3). If he doesn't play well and/or gets hurt, his stock would plummet further.
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Dillon Brooks hits a 3 to beat UCLA at the buzzer!!!
Wow.....just WOW!
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UPDATE: Thursday 12/29
7:00 SECN Texas A&M Robert Williams
8:00 ESPN2 Kentucky Fox, Monk, Adebayo
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Dillon Brooks hits a 3 to beat UCLA at the buzzer!!!
Wow.....just WOW!
Another great game. Ball had an average game, disappeared for long stretches, but was dominant late in the game. Very impressive in a couple of back to back isolation sets in the last couple of minutes. Leaf showed flashes but wasn't that impressive. UCLA as a whole looked disinterested in defense in the first half. I think they think they can just out score everybody.
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UPDATE: Friday, December 30
Conference play continues.
6:00 BTN Michigan State Miles Bridges (doubtful)
9:00 ESPN2 Kansas Josh Jackson, Mykhailiuk (possible 2nd rounder)
10 p.m. FS1 Oregon Brooks, Dorsey, Boucher, Bell (2nd rounders)
11 p.m. PAC12N UCLA Ball, Leaf
11 p.m. ESPN2 Ariz/Cal Markkanen, Rabb, (Alkins/Kobe Simmons 2nds?)
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Prospect game watching for 12/31
12:00 ESPN2 Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard
12:00 ACCN Clemson: Blossomgame
12:30 CBS Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
2:00 ESPNU Florida St: Isaac
4:30 ACCN NC State: Smith Jr
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Prospect game watching for 12/31
12:00 ESPN2 Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard
12:00 ACCN Clemson: Blossomgame
12:30 CBS Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
2:00 ESPNU Florida St: Isaac
4:30 ACCN NC State: Smith Jr
TP, tazz, thanks for the update....glad they suspended Grayson Allen....lot of talent, hopefully it sinks in
some good stuff to watch today
Keep an eye on Bacon on FSU, and Josh Hart for 'Nova and Justin Jackson for UNC
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Hope Giles gets PT.
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Hope Giles gets PT.
Not a ton of minutes for him in first half.
Think he had 4 pts 3 or 4 rebounds.
Not Duke's best game, so far. VaTech slapping them around. Kennard again looks like Duke's best player.
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This is Giles best game so far. He has 4 points 5 rebounds and an assists in 2/5 shooting. He is having trouble playing defense without fouling tho
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Prospect game watching for 12/31
12:00 ESPN2 Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard
12:00 ACCN Clemson: Blossomgame
12:30 CBS Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
2:00 ESPNU Florida St: Isaac
4:30 ACCN NC State: Smith Jr
TP thanks for the update. Do you know what channel ACCN is on Bright House? Or do you have to buy the channel?
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Prospect game watching for 12/31
12:00 ESPN2 Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard
12:00 ACCN Clemson: Blossomgame
12:30 CBS Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
2:00 ESPNU Florida St: Isaac
4:30 ACCN NC State: Smith Jr
TP thanks for the update. Do you know what channel ACCN is on Bright House? Or do you have to buy the channel?
Maybe this will help:
http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2016/09/how_to_find_acc_network_extra.html
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Dennis Smith Jr. can't do anything against Miami's PG, who happens to be taking it to him on the offensive end as well. I like him but not with a top 5 draft pick.
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/1
Potential draftees playing today (Happy New Year)
12:30 ESPNU Syracuse: the two Tylers, Lydon and Roberson
5:00 CBSSN SD State Malik Pope
8:00 PAC12N Arizona Markkanen, and Alkins and Simmons (possible 2nds)
8:30 ESPNU Washington Fultz (the crappy coach makes this a tough team to watch)
10:00 PAC12N California Rabb
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UPDATE: Tuesday 1/3
Conference play in full swing:
7 p.m. ESPN Indiana Anunoby, Bryant
7 p.m. ESPN2 Clemson Blossomgame
9 p.m. ESPN Kentucky and A&M Fox, Adebayo, Monk, Robert Williams
9 p.m. ESPN2 Kansas Josh Jackson, Mykhailiuk
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UPDATE: Tuesday 1/3
Conference play in full swing:
7 p.m. ESPN Indiana Anunoby, Bryant
7 p.m. ESPN2 Clemson Blossomgame
9 p.m. ESPN Kentucky and A&M Fox, Adebayo, Monk, Robert Williams
9 p.m. ESPN2 Kansas Josh Jackson, Mykhailiuk
TP these post are really helpful thanks
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Has anyone been watching the Kansas game? Josh Jackson has 15 points 5 assists and 5 rebounds at halftime
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Has anyone been watching the Kansas game? Josh Jackson has 15 points 5 assists and 5 rebounds at halftime
Thanks...that's the better game to watch right now.
Kentucky laying a whooping on A&M 60-32.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/4
Lot of action and draft prospects on tonight folks!!
6:30 BTN Mich St Miles Bridges (he's back)
6:30 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart
7:00 ESPN2 Duke Tatum, Giles, Bolden, Kennard (Allen still suspended)
7:00 ACCN Syracuse Tylers Louden and Roberson
8:00 ESPNN Baylor/IO St Johnathan Motley/Monte Morris
9:00 ACCN NC St Smith Jr/ Yurtseven
9:00 ESPN2 Wash/Ore Fultz/Boucher, Brooks, Bell, Dorsey
11:00 ESPN2 SD St/Nevada Malik Pope/Cam Oliver
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Giles and fultz both televised!?!! This is going to be fun especially with me being the biggest Giles fanboy
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/4
Lot of action and draft prospects on tonight folks!!
6:30 BTN Mich St Miles Bridges (he's back)
6:30 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart
7:00 ESPN2 Duke Tatum, Giles, Bolden, Kennard (Allen still suspended)
7:00 ACCN Syracuse Tylers Louden and Roberson
8:00 ESPNN Baylor/IO St Johnathan Motley/Monte Morris
9:00 ACCN NC St Smith Jr/ Yurtseven
9:00 ESPN2 Wash/Ore Fultz/Boucher, Brooks, Bell, Dorsey
11:00 ESPN2 SD St/Nevada Malik Pope/Cam Oliver
I like that you added Kennard to the Duke lineup. He is moving up the draft board, I think. Was hoping to obtain a bottom 3rd of 1st round pick and scoop him up but now it may not happen.
Again, thanks for these lists!
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I know he is on no one's radar, but that Kennard kid is a very good basketball player. He may struggle at the NBA level, but I have yet to see a more complete college player this season. Very impressive skill set. Love his game.
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I know he is on no one's radar, but that Kennard kid is a very good basketball player. He may struggle at the NBA level, but I have yet to see a more complete college player this season. Very impressive skill set. Love his game.
Yeah he's been keeping that Duke team a float. I feel their prospects have been dissappointing so far aside from Kennard. Grayson Allen is just a ghost right now, is Tatum injured?
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I know he is on no one's radar, but that Kennard kid is a very good basketball player. He may struggle at the NBA level, but I have yet to see a more complete college player this season. Very impressive skill set. Love his game.
Yeah he's been keeping that Duke team a float. I feel their prospects have been dissappointing so far aside from Kennard. Grayson Allen is just a ghost right now, is Tatum injured?
No Tatum has really impressed me. He just got back like 5 or 6 games ago and he's already playing great. Giles is coming along too he hasn't played in 1 and a half years so a little rust is to be expected
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/4
Lot of action and draft prospects on tonight folks!!
6:30 BTN Mich St Miles Bridges (he's back)
6:30 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart
7:00 ESPN2 Duke Tatum, Giles, Bolden, Kennard (Allen still suspended)
7:00 ACCN Syracuse Tylers Louden and Roberson
8:00 ESPNN Baylor/IO St Johnathan Motley/Monte Morris
9:00 ACCN NC St Smith Jr/ Yurtseven
9:00 ESPN2 Wash/Ore Fultz/Boucher, Brooks, Bell, Dorsey
11:00 ESPN2 SD St/Nevada Malik Pope/Cam Oliver
I like that you added Kennard to the Duke lineup. He is moving up the draft board, I think. Was hoping to obtain a bottom 3rd of 1st round pick and scoop him up but now it may not happen.
Again, thanks for these lists!
You're welcome. I enjoy doing it, especially now that conference play has started and things have heated up.
I obviously agree with you and footey about Kennard. TP to both of you for your observations. In the beginning of the thread, I didn't include him, but in every Duke game that I have watched, he has been the best player on the floor. Maybe not the best prospect, but definitely the best basketball player.
I think he'll go in the 20s and I think Josh Hart will be a first rounder too.
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Ughhh Grayson Allen is playing, probably means less minutes for Giles...
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Ughhh Grayson Allen is playing, probably means less minutes for Giles...
Wow, only one game suspension for the tripping tantrum thrower.
That being said, I think Allen is underrated. He just needs to stop being an idiot
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Ughhh Grayson Allen is playing, probably means less minutes for Giles...
Wow, only one game suspension for the tripping tantrum thrower.
That being said, I think Allen is underrated. He just needs to stop being an idiot
Accordingly, he's appropriately rated.
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Man Dukes rotation are weird. Giles get subbed in and plays 2 minutes then gets subbed out, comes back 2 minutes later and played 2 minutes then gets subbed out again, weird...
That might just be how college teams play, I don't usually watch college ball a lot so I wouldn't know
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Man Dukes rotation are weird. Giles get subbed in and plays 2 minutes then gets subbed out, comes back 2 minutes later and played 2 minutes then gets subbed out again, weird...
That might just be how college teams play, I don't usually watch college ball a lot so I wouldn't know
That's not how most teams play. I assume it's to help Giles build back up his endurance, since he's been out for so long.
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Harry Giles double double 8)
10 points 12 rebounds
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Miles Bridges back after missing 7 games with high ankle sprain.
Izzo was cautious and only played him 17 minutes. He got 6 and 6 though with 2 LOUD jams.
Here's one:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/video?gameId=400915074
i'm glad to see the explosiveness is still there
Lottery talent.
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I'm all in on Markelle Fultz. What an incredible player.
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Miles Bridges back after missing 7 games with high ankle sprain.
Izzo was cautious and only played him 17 minutes. He got 6 and 6 though with 2 LOUD jams.
Here's one:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/video?gameId=400915074
i'm glad to see the explosiveness is still there
Lottery talent.
I agree...plus he has a pro body now.
And thanks for all the updates!!
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I'm all in on Markelle Fultz. What an incredible player.
Great skills, no doubt. It's too bad he plays for such a crappy team. Just like LSU and Simmons last year, we will never get to see him in any meaningful games since his team doesn't have a prayer in the world of making the NCAAs.
Big-time players make big-time plays in crunch time. The closest that Fultz has gotten to that this year was New Year's night playing against rival Washington state He had two drives at the end of the game that were crucial but he couldn't finish.
Again, the talent is there. I would just like to see him perform in some pressure situations.
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I'm all in on Markelle Fultz. What an incredible player.
Great skills, no doubt. It's too bad he plays for such a crappy team. Just like LSU and Simmons last year, we will never get to see him in any meaningful games since his team doesn't have a prayer in the world of making the NCAAs.
Big-time players make big-time plays in crunch time. The closest that Fultz has gotten to that this year was New Year's night playing against rival Washington state He had two drives at the end of the game that were crucial but he couldn't finish.
Again, the talent is there. I would just like to see him perform in some pressure situations.
Don't they play UCLA a couple of times?
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Miles Bridges back after missing 7 games with high ankle sprain.
Izzo was cautious and only played him 17 minutes. He got 6 and 6 though with 2 LOUD jams.
Here's one:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/video?gameId=400915074
i'm glad to see the explosiveness is still there
Lottery talent.
I agree...plus he has a pro body now.
And thanks for all the updates!!
A pro's body and he's only 18 years old...scary.
Check out his strengths video on draftexpress:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Miles-Bridges-81785/
And you're welcome on the updates👍. Labor of love.
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I'm all in on Markelle Fultz. What an incredible player.
Great skills, no doubt. It's too bad he plays for such a crappy team. Just like LSU and Simmons last year, we will never get to see him in any meaningful games since his team doesn't have a prayer in the world of making the NCAAs.
Big-time players make big-time plays in crunch time. The closest that Fultz has gotten to that this year was New Year's night playing against rival Washington state He had two drives at the end of the game that were crucial but he couldn't finish.
Again, the talent is there. I would just like to see him perform in some pressure situations.
Don't they play UCLA a couple of times?
Yeah, you're right. February 4th and march 1st. Zona twice too.
But they lost to YALE!?!? Hard for me to really gauge the guy on a team like this.
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I'm all in on Markelle Fultz. What an incredible player.
Great skills, no doubt. It's too bad he plays for such a crappy team. Just like LSU and Simmons last year, we will never get to see him in any meaningful games since his team doesn't have a prayer in the world of making the NCAAs.
Big-time players make big-time plays in crunch time. The closest that Fultz has gotten to that this year was New Year's night playing against rival Washington state He had two drives at the end of the game that were crucial but he couldn't finish.
Again, the talent is there. I would just like to see him perform in some pressure situations.
Don't they play UCLA a couple of times?
Yeah, you're right. February 4th and march 1st. Zona twice too.
But they lost to YALE!?!? Hard for me to really gauge the guy on a team like this.
The skills certainly are there, but he's playing in a totally non competitive environment. Lost by 20+ at home tonight to a good Oregon team. Simmons was far more impressive to my memory, and LSU was at least competitive in the SEC. His ability to finish at the rim is excellent, but to me the athleticism isn't truly elite, and he just doesn't seem to be making his team better. As others have said, it's just tough to get a really good read on him.
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I'm all in on Markelle Fultz. What an incredible player.
Great skills, no doubt. It's too bad he plays for such a crappy team. Just like LSU and Simmons last year, we will never get to see him in any meaningful games since his team doesn't have a prayer in the world of making the NCAAs.
Big-time players make big-time plays in crunch time. The closest that Fultz has gotten to that this year was New Year's night playing against rival Washington state He had two drives at the end of the game that were crucial but he couldn't finish.
Again, the talent is there. I would just like to see him perform in some pressure situations.
TP My thoughts exactly. I am I'm impressed with the talent but I want to see if he has the clutch gene.
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UPDATE: Thursday 1/5
Light schedule tonight:
9:00 ESPN UCLA/California Ball, Leaf/Rabb
10:00 FS1 Arizona Markkanen, Alkins, Kobe Simmons
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UPDATE: Thursday 1/5
Light schedule tonight:
9:00 ESPN UCLA/California Ball, Leaf/Rabb
10:00 FS1 Arizona Markkanen, Alkins, Kobe Simmons
I don't know if I can handle listening to Walton two nights in a row. Especially with UCLA playing.
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Ball and Leaf on right now looking like they deserve their lofty draft status.
Leaf with a big-time poster.
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So it on espn.com it says that the Giles game tomorrow at 2 is not televised. Does anyone know if there is a way to watch it?
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So it on espn.com it says that the Giles game tomorrow at 2 is not televised. Does anyone know if there is a way to watch it?
It will be on NESN.
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The prospect watching cup runneth over for 1/7
1:30 CBS - Texas A&M: Williams
2:00 ACCN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen
2:00 ACCN - Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
2:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
3:00 ESPNU - Clemson: Blossomgame
5:00 ESPNU - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
7:15 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
7:30 FS1 - Villanova: Hart
8:00 ESPN - NC State: Smith Jr
8:30 SECN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
9:30 PAC12 - Arizona: Markkanen
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So it on espn.com it says that the Giles game tomorrow at 2 is not televised. Does anyone know if there is a way to watch it?
It will be on NESN.
Do you know what channel that is on if you have bright house?
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The prospect watching cup runneth over for 1/7
1:30 CBS - Texas A&M: Williams
2:00 ACCN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen
2:00 ACCN - Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
2:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
3:00 ESPNU - Clemson: Blossomgame
5:00 ESPNU - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
7:15 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
7:30 FS1 - Villanova: Hart
8:00 ESPN - NC State: Smith Jr
8:30 SECN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
9:30 PAC12 - Arizona: Markkanen
TP, tazz, thanks for the update, and congrats on 2nd star!!
A few more prospects that we can check out today:
1:00 ESPN Mich State: Miles Bridges (2nd game back)
1:00 ACCN Syracuse: Tyler Lydon
3:00 PAC12N Washington: Fultz
And here's a bonus, under the radar Big East beast who will likely get drafted this year, if he comes out:
2:00 CBSN Creighton: Justin Patton (blossoming and worth a look)
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The prospect watching cup runneth over for 1/7
1:30 CBS - Texas A&M: Williams
2:00 ACCN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen
2:00 ACCN - Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
2:30 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
3:00 ESPNU - Clemson: Blossomgame
5:00 ESPNU - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
7:15 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
7:30 FS1 - Villanova: Hart
8:00 ESPN - NC State: Smith Jr
8:30 SECN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
9:30 PAC12 - Arizona: Markkanen
TP, tazz, thanks for the update, and congrats on 2nd star!!
A few more prospects that we can check out today:
1:00 ESPN Mich State: Miles Bridges (2nd game back)
1:00 ACCN Syracuse: Tyler Lydon
3:00 PAC12N Washington: Fultz
And here's a bonus, under the radar Big East beast who will likely get drafted this year, if he comes out:
2:00 CBSN Creighton: Justin Patton (blossoming and worth a look)
TP on the additions and bonus prospect. If all these possibilities actually come out, we could get a nice addition with the TWolves 2nd.
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Can some one please help me I don't have watch ESPN on my phone because my dad doesn't know our bright house username and password but I really want to watch the Giles game is there any way I can watch it on tv?
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Nvm I found it on my guide haha
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I hate Dukes new coach, he doesn't play Giles at all
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Giles beasting now
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Giles had 12 points and 5 rebounds in 24 minutes
Tatum had 22 points and 6 rebounds in 30 minutes.
Good showings today and Giles is getting more minutes and putting up numbers now. Giles did have 5 fouls today.
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I've been watching OB Wan nobe ..of Indiana
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Giles had 12 points and 5 rebounds in 24 minutes
Tatum had 22 points and 6 rebounds in 30 minutes.
Good showings today and Giles is getting more minutes and putting up numbers now. Giles did have 5 fouls today.
I'm impressed with Giles .....he has the same kinda Davis and Embiid skills
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Giles had 12 points and 5 rebounds in 24 minutes
Tatum had 22 points and 6 rebounds in 30 minutes.
Good showings today and Giles is getting more minutes and putting up numbers now. Giles did have 5 fouls today.
Yeah I was really impressed with Giles today. Last game all of his points were on lobs, put back layups, and a wide open dunk. Today he showed he can be dominant in the post which is really good for his stock if he can continue to improve on that.
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Games for 1/8
1:00 ESPN - NC State: Smith Jr
8:00 FS1 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
10:00 ESPNU - California: Rabb
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Justin Patton of Creighton vs Providence yesterday: 20/6/3/1.
Runs the floor, passes, rebounds, blocks shots: late bloomer who has a good chance to go in first round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUHINxNHWnc
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Watching UCLA now and man, I still think Ball is the best player I've seen. They're playing an overmatched Stanford team, but he's just dominating at both ends. Most engaged I've seen him defensively, he's contesting and blocking shots and getting steals. At the offensive end he's hitting NBA 3's, making full court passes, finishing alley oops and facilitating the offense. Pretty impressive.
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Watching UCLA now and man, I still think Ball is the best player I've seen. They're playing an overmatched Stanford team, but he's just dominating at both ends. Most engaged I've seen him defensively, he's contesting and blocking shots and getting steals. At the offensive end he's hitting NBA 3's, making full court passes, finishing alley oops and facilitating the offense. Pretty impressive.
That's a Tp C Dawg. Anytime you mention my boy Lonzo the best player in the draft. I secretly would take him over Fultz.
He's an inspiring basketball player. How can you not Love this kids game.
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Justin Patton of Creighton vs Providence yesterday: 20/6/3/1.
Runs the floor, passes, rebounds, blocks shots: late bloomer who has a good chance to go in first round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUHINxNHWnc
Could be a nice Minny second rounder option. See how he looks in Summer League..
Reminds me of younger slimmer Bynum
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Prospect watching for 1/10
7:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Monk, Fox, Bam
7:00 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner vs Villanova: Hart
7:00 ESPNU - Syracuse: Lydon
8:00 ACCN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen vs Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
9:00 ESPN - Indiana: Anunoby, Bryant
9:00 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
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I wish we got the ACC channel so I could watch Duke-FSU, that'll be some great prospect watching.
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Chilidawg - if you get ESPN through your cable provider, then just download WatchESPN on your phone and sign in with your cable login and password and then you can watch the game. WatchESPN is affiliated with the ACC Network. I already looked at the ESPN listings for tonight and the Duke game will be shown on the app. You can also Chromecast from the WatchESPN app too.
Edit: You can also just go to ESPN's homepage and click on "Watch" and then sign in with your cable login and password and watch that way too.
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Chilldawg - if you get ESPN through your cable provider, then just download WatchESPN on your phone and sign in with your cable login and password and then you can watch the game. WatchESPN is affiliated with the ACC Network. I already looked at the ESPN listings for tonight and the Duke game will be shown on the app. You can also Chromecast from the WatchESPN app too.
TP, latinm for the respose and 'dawg for the question and tazz for the update.
Some people have pm'd me about that and I should have put it in this thread.
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Thanks for the tip, will give that a try. Can you do the WatchEspn thing on a laptop?
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Thanks for the tip, will give that a try. Can you do the WatchEspn thing on a laptop?
Yup. Once you sign in with your cable provider's login and password, you'll then see a tab for "Live" and "Upcoming". Keep in mind that certain regions are blacked out. Click on the game and it will show you a blackout map (if blackout restrictions apply).
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Thanks for the tip, will give that a try. Can you do the WatchEspn thing on a laptop?
Yup. Once you sign in with your cable provider's login and password, you'll then see a tab for "Live" and "Upcoming". Keep in mind that certain regions are blacked out. Click on the game and it will show you a blackout map (if blackout restrictions apply).
They have replays of games too. I would assume those aren't subject to blackout.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
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I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
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UPDATEE: Wednesday 1/11
Potential draftees on tonight:
7:00 BTN Mich St. Miles Bridges
8:00 ESPN2 UNC Justin Jackson
8:30 SECN A&M Robert Williams
9:00 ACCN NC St DSJ
9:00 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (his star is rising)
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
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UPDATE: Thursday, 1/12
7:00 ACCN Clemson Blossomgame
9:00 FS1 Was/Cal Fultz/Rabb
9:00 ESPN2 Arizona Markkanen, Alkins, Kobe Simmons
11:00 FS1 UCLA Ball, Leaf
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
He's struggling now, understandably.
But his body of work before college...Goodman mentioned that he's the second best prospect he's seen in the last decade.
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For the Dennis Smith fans, here's a good video of Joel Berry thoroughly out playing him in a Carolina rout:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Joel-Berry-vs-NC-State---Matchup-Video-5777/
Followed that up with an unimpressive performance in a loss to Boston College.
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For the Dennis Smith fans, here's a good video of Joel Berry thoroughly out playing him in a Carolina rout:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Joel-Berry-vs-NC-State---Matchup-Video-5777/
Followed that up with an unimpressive performance in a loss to Boston College.
From the times that I have seen him, I haven't been that impressed either, and I doubt that Ainge was impressed at Conte with him. Smith didn't stand out at all. And irrespective of his hops, another barely 6 foot point guard!?!?.... no thanks
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
I dont mean to argue but I really cant let this stand. His game right now is no where close to what is was before. The only thing that is close is his rebounding and even that isnt what is was in terms of his effort. I say this having watched games from his freshman year, his junior year early, his junior year late, his U19 games, his AAU games, and bits of his mixtapes which I dont put high value on.
You say what is translatable. The guy has great hands and that can be seen in his ability to grab boards right now. His ability to put the ball on the deck an go the full length of the floor and finish with authority is something of high value. He can shoot from 18ft but he has a flat shot.
Some of these things he has yet to show at the college level. Again I dont worry about seeing any of this until the end of next month. If he comes close to what he was I dont see how he gets passed on for some of these players if he is healthy.
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For all these players its about seeing them over time so what did they look like in game 1 vs 30. Or if you have seen them in HS like Ainge then 1 vs 70. Remember not all skills are shown in particular games on stretches of games or even in the college season at all.
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Prospect watching for 1/14
12:00 ACCN - Clemson: Blossomgame
12:00 ESPN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen
12:00 FS1 - Villanova: Hart
1:00 FS2 - Creighton: Patton
1:00 CBS - Texas A&M: Williams
2:00 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
2:00 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
2:00 ESPN - Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
4:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
4:00 ACCN - Syracuse: Lydon
4:00 PAC12 - California: Rabb
6:00 PAC12 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
8:00 PAC12 - Washington: Fultz
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Prospect watching for 1/14
12:00 ACCN - Clemson: Blossomgame
12:00 ESPN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen
12:00 FS1 - Villanova: Hart
1:00 FS2 - Creighton: Patton
1:00 CBS - Texas A&M: Williams
2:00 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
2:00 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
2:00 ESPN - Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
4:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
4:00 ACCN - Syracuse: Lydon
4:00 PAC12 - California: Rabb
6:00 PAC12 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
8:00 PAC12 - Washington: Fultz
TP, tazz, thanks for the update!
Lots of watching today.
Looking forward to watching Patton play, but not so much vs Truman State?
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Prospect watching for 1/14
12:00 ACCN - Clemson: Blossomgame
12:00 ESPN - Duke: Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Kennard, Allen
12:00 FS1 - Villanova: Hart
1:00 FS2 - Creighton: Patton
1:00 CBS - Texas A&M: Williams
2:00 FS1 - Xavier: Sumner
2:00 ESPN2 - Kansas: Jackson
2:00 ESPN - Florida State: Isaac, Bacon
4:00 ESPN - Kentucky: Fox, Monk, Bam
4:00 ACCN - Syracuse: Lydon
4:00 PAC12 - California: Rabb
6:00 PAC12 - UCLA: Ball, Leaf
8:00 PAC12 - Washington: Fultz
TP, tazz, thanks for the update!
Lots of watching today.
Looking forward to watching Patton play, but not so much vs Truman State?
Only have seen Patton in one game so far but looks interesting. Want to compare him to Williams who i really like.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
He's struggling now, understandably.
But his body of work before college...Goodman mentioned that he's the second best prospect he's seen in the last decade.
yeah, but that body of work is pretty limited and two major knee injuries ago.
Cliff Alexander was the #2 prospect his year and he didnt have debilitating injuries and he went undrafted.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
He's struggling now, understandably.
But his body of work before college...Goodman mentioned that he's the second best prospect he's seen in the last decade.
yeah, but that body of work is pretty limited and two major knee injuries ago.
Cliff Alexander was the #2 prospect his year and he didnt have debilitating injuries and he went undrafted.
Did you see Cliff Alexander in HS? I did and the two arent comparable. Giles much more skilled than Alexander.
Look at the Skal that played at Kentucky. He was #2 as well. It all depends on the skillset of the player.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
He's struggling now, understandably.
But his body of work before college...Goodman mentioned that he's the second best prospect he's seen in the last decade.
yeah, but that body of work is pretty limited and two major knee injuries ago.
Cliff Alexander was the #2 prospect his year and he didnt have debilitating injuries and he went undrafted.
Did you see Cliff Alexander in HS? I did and the two arent comparable. Giles much more skilled than Alexander.
Look at the Skal that played at Kentucky. He was #2 as well. It all depends on the skillset of the player.
No I havent seen nearly any pre-college tape for anyone.
Skillset is very important thats a good point. I still think its important to note that the evaluation of Giles is based on roughly half of a high school career. Thats not even accounting for the explosion-sapping injuries he faced.
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Giles had only 5 points and 2 rebounds in just 10 minutes.
Tatum had 21 points and 4 rebounds in 38 minutes.
Duke lost though.
I think Duke is just being cautious with Giles. With March Madness coming up, they'll need him to win the championship.
I agree.
I think that he's being real cautious himself, too and looks real tentative out there, almost non-existent. Guy's a ghost right now.
Oh yeah, no doubt, I'm aware they are being cautious with Giles.
I'm getting real impressed with Tatum though. Fultz/Ball are the ideal Top-2 but Tatum has looked real solid this season.
Giles looks quite bad. His defense is terrible and he's justifiably a foul magnet. When he's running the court, he looks more like a long distance runner in cruise mode rather than a basketball player. Right now, he's not big enough or strong enough to play center. He's a PF who hasn't shown any outside shooting. He's done a little bit offensively but the only real positive is that he appears to be a good rebounder. At this point, I would not use a top 10 pick on him in this strong draft.
He looked horrible last night but Im not going to use that game as a barometer. He hasnt played in awhile. When I look at him, I look to see what would work if he never was better than this. Now I will say this, I dont think you can really eval him til the end of next month. I think you can only look for certain things that could work. He is two months behind everyone else and it can be seen in his D and conditioning.
I've seen 3 or 4 of the games he's played and this was representative of his play. I agree that he's behind the curve but other than his rebounding I'm not seeing anything that projects that well considering the hype. I watched his DraftExpress strengths video and its not that impressive. He seems to have center skills in a PF body at this point. Not sure who his upside projection would be.
He's struggling now, understandably.
But his body of work before college...Goodman mentioned that he's the second best prospect he's seen in the last decade.
yeah, but that body of work is pretty limited and two major knee injuries ago.
Cliff Alexander was the #2 prospect his year and he didnt have debilitating injuries and he went undrafted.
Did you see Cliff Alexander in HS? I did and the two arent comparable. Giles much more skilled than Alexander.
Look at the Skal that played at Kentucky. He was #2 as well. It all depends on the skillset of the player.
No I havent seen nearly any pre-college tape for anyone.
Skillset is very important thats a good point. I still think its important to note that the evaluation of Giles is based on roughly half of a high school career. Thats not even accounting for the explosion-sapping injuries he faced.
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Well you also have to consider his AAU and Team USA career. Alexander was very much a run and jump big who was 6'8. Alexander could block shots really run and jump however his skill level wasnt the highest. His understanding of rebounding is not on the level of Giles even right now. Giles has the ability to board outside his area. Giles could also put the ball on the floor and showed signs of an outside shot. I cant say the same for Alexander.
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Giles
You gotta take him
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/15
12:00 BTN Indiana Anunoby (3), Bryant (31)
1:30 CBS Mich St Miles Bridges (22)
6:30 ESPN NC St DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
Numbers next to names are jersey numbers; makes it easier to jump right in.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
Jackson is definitely though but I don't think he is anywhere close to smart.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
Jackson is definitely though but I don't think he is anywhere close to smart.
Yup....Smart is a special type personality , like kG , insane competitor.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
i understand your points. jackson maybe THE best all around athlete and basketball player in this draft, except for his shooting. it is really, really bad.
if the celtics take jackson, there is really no way the team can put smart and jackson out there together since both, right now, are poor shooters.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
i understand your points. jackson maybe THE best all around athlete and basketball player in this draft, except for his shooting. it is really, really bad.
if the celtics take jackson, there is really no way the team can put smart and jackson out there together since both, right now, are poor shooters.
Celtics can just switch Smart with AB off the bench since Smart can play both with both IT and AB. Jackson will just replace Smart as the playmaker off the bench. Unlike Smart, he takes more smarter (no pun intended) shot selection and capable of playing off the ball. If people wanted Simmons, I can't see how they don't want Jackson who is much more competitive.
He's arguably a better playmaker than Fultz or Ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaP4QCK1pZs
I can see the bench next season with decent spacing. Just pick your poison
Yabu
Jackson
Brown
Kelly (If resigned)
AB
Zizic
Green (If resigned)
Plus, i'm a bit more worried about both Fultz and Ball. Draftexpress labelled "Casual Approach" for both of those kids. That's the same weakness Wiggins, Barnes, OJ Mayo, Jeff Green, Rudy Gay and Beasley had. Not a good sign if their motor come and goes.They may not be build for highly competitive basketball and Washington isn't exactly a good college ball team either.
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UPDATE: Monday 1/16
Draft prospects playing today:
2:00 FS1 Xavier/Creighton Edmond Sumner (4)/Justin Patton (23)
6:30 FS1 Villanova Josh Hart (3)
7:00 ESPN Syracuse/UNC Lydon (20)/Justin Jackson (44)
9:00 ESPN Kansas/IO St Josh Jackson (11), Mykhailiuk (10)/Monte Morris (11)
Jersey numbers in parentheses.
EDIT: Another potential first rounder to check out: 8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
i understand your points. jackson maybe THE best all around athlete and basketball player in this draft, except for his shooting. it is really, really bad.
if the celtics take jackson, there is really no way the team can put smart and jackson out there together since both, right now, are poor shooters.
Celtics can just switch Smart with AB off the bench since Smart can play both with both IT and AB. Jackson will just replace Smart as the playmaker off the bench. Unlike Smart, he takes more smarter (no pun intended) shot selection and capable of playing off the ball. If people wanted Simmons, I can't see how they don't want Jackson who is much more competitive.
He's arguably a better playmaker than Fultz or Ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaP4QCK1pZs
I can see the bench next season with decent spacing. Just pick your poison
Yabu
Jackson
Brown
Kelly (If resigned)
AB
Zizic
Green (If resigned)
Plus, i'm a bit more worried about both Fultz and Ball. Draftexpress labelled "Casual Approach" for both of those kids. That's the same weakness Wiggins, Barnes, OJ Mayo, Jeff Green, Rudy Gay and Beasley had. Not a good sign if their motor come and goes.They may not be build for highly competitive basketball and Washington isn't exactly a good college ball team either.
I like Jackson, but I don't think he is the best player in this draft. He reminds me of Josh Childress. He's a playmaker. He's versatile. But I don't think he is an all-star. Modern day comparison would be something like a Wilson Chandler.
If everything broke perfectly and he developed a jump shot, there's a chance he can be Jimmy Butler-lite, but his free throw rate indicates that is unlikely.
If we were picking 6-10, I'd be all for it, but there are other guys who have a higher ceiling and less weaknesses.
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Patton looks great. Thanks for the find. This is going to be a good draft.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
i understand your points. jackson maybe THE best all around athlete and basketball player in this draft, except for his shooting. it is really, really bad.
if the celtics take jackson, there is really no way the team can put smart and jackson out there together since both, right now, are poor shooters.
I think a fair comp for Jackson may be Iggy at best. I think Josh Childress is a good floor.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
i understand your points. jackson maybe THE best all around athlete and basketball player in this draft, except for his shooting. it is really, really bad.
if the celtics take jackson, there is really no way the team can put smart and jackson out there together since both, right now, are poor shooters.
Celtics can just switch Smart with AB off the bench since Smart can play both with both IT and AB. Jackson will just replace Smart as the playmaker off the bench. Unlike Smart, he takes more smarter (no pun intended) shot selection and capable of playing off the ball. If people wanted Simmons, I can't see how they don't want Jackson who is much more competitive.
He's arguably a better playmaker than Fultz or Ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaP4QCK1pZs
I can see the bench next season with decent spacing. Just pick your poison
Yabu
Jackson
Brown
Kelly (If resigned)
AB
Zizic
Green (If resigned)
Plus, i'm a bit more worried about both Fultz and Ball. Draftexpress labelled "Casual Approach" for both of those kids. That's the same weakness Wiggins, Barnes, OJ Mayo, Jeff Green, Rudy Gay and Beasley had. Not a good sign if their motor come and goes.They may not be build for highly competitive basketball and Washington isn't exactly a good college ball team either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjD_Oongow
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UPDATE: Monday 1/16
Draft prospects playing today:
2:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 FS1 Villanova Josh Hart (3)
7:00 ESPN Syracuse/UNC Lydon (20)/Justin Jackson (44)
9:00 ESPN Kansas/IO St Josh Jackson (11), Mykhailiuk (10)/Monte Morris (11)
Jersey numbers in parentheses.
EDIT: Another potential first rounder to check out: 8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
Xavier plays Creighton so you missed one of your favorites, Patton (23).
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UPDATE: Monday 1/16
Draft prospects playing today:
2:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 FS1 Villanova Josh Hart (3)
7:00 ESPN Syracuse/UNC Lydon (20)/Justin Jackson (44)
9:00 ESPN Kansas/IO St Josh Jackson (11), Mykhailiuk (10)/Monte Morris (11)
Jersey numbers in parentheses.
EDIT: Another potential first rounder to check out: 8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
Xavier plays Creighton so you missed one of your favorites, Patton (23).
TP, tazz, thanks for the catch!! Will edit my post!! and watch game
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UPDATE: Tuesday 1/17
Some good draftees to watch tonight. Too bad they're all on at the same time!!!
Lots of channel flipping!
7:00 SECN Texas A&M Robert Williams (44)
7:00 ESPN Kentucky Monk (5), Fox (0), Bam (3)
7:00 ESPN2 Baylor Jonathan Motley (5)
7:00 ESPNU NC ST DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/18
More prospects to look at, especially as mocks get updated!!
6:30 SECN South Carolina/Florida PJ Dozier (15)/Devin Robinson (1) (2nd rounders)
7:00 BTN Indiana Anunoby (3) and Bryant (31)
7:00 ACCN FSU/ND Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/VJ Beacham (3) (2nd)
8:00 ACCN Wake John Collins (20)
9:00 ESPNU Ok State Jawun Evans (1)
11:00 ESPNU Washington Fultz (20)
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WatchedcKentucky last night. Fox very interesting.
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WatchedcKentucky last night. Fox very interesting.
Great athleticism...not a great shooter....maybe like an Elfrid Payton/Rondo mix.
Isaiah Briscoe impresses me on that team, despite the big names of Fox, Monk and Bam.
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WatchedcKentucky last night. Fox very interesting.
The refs made that a tough game to watch. Fox is my favorite prospect to watch but he's got to improve his shooting. Fultz and Ball will go ahead of him but I'd definitely take Fox over Smith.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTivQVuhqs0
The guy is so tough. Never afraid to absorb contact. I don't care if he can't shoot. He have the winning mentality and toughness of Smart.
edit: He's playing Smart's team. LOL
Jackson is definitely though but I don't think he is anywhere close to smart.
Yup....Smart is a special type personality , like kG , insane competitor.
That's why drafting Jackson would be sweet. Operation Wolfpack.
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UPDATE: Thursday 1/19
Draft prospects playing tonight:
7:00 ESPN Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
9:00 ESPN Louisville/Clem Mitchell (45)/ Blossomgame (5)
9:00 ESPN2 Cal/Ore Rabb (1)/Boucher (25), Brooks (24), Bell (1), Dorsey (5)
9:00 PAC-12 Arizona Markkanen (10), Alkins (1), Kobe Simmons (2)
11:00 FS1 UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
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Thank you csfansince60s!
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Lot of prospect watching with a few good games for 1/22
12:00 ESPN - Syracuse: Lydon (20)
12:00 FOX - Villanova: Hart (3)
12:00 ESPN2 - Texas A&M: Williams (44)
12:00 ACCN - North Carolina: Jackson (44)
2:00 ESPN - Louisville vs Florida State: Mitchell (45) / Isaac (1), Bacon (4)
Good game to watch Isaac against a tough defense
2:00 CBS - Kansas: Jackson (11)
2:00 ACCN - NC State: Smith (4), Yurtseven (14)
2:30 FS1 - Creighton: Patton (23)
4:00 CBS - Arizona vs UCLA: Markkanen (10), Trier (35) / Ball (2), Leaf (22)
Trier's 1st game back.
4:00 ESPN - Michigan State vs Indiana: Bridges (22) / Bryant (31)
6:00 ESPN - South Carolina vs Kentucky: Fox (0), Monk (5), Bam (3)
8:00 PAC12 - Washington: Fultz (20)
8:00 ESPNU - Baylor: Motley (5)
8:15 ESPN - Duke: Giles (1), Tatum (0), Bolden (20), Allen (3), Kennard (5)
10:30 PAC12 - California: Rabb (1)
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Lot of prospect watching with a few good games for 1/22
12:00 ESPN - Syracuse: Lydon (20)
12:00 FOX - Villanova: Hart (3)
12:00 ESPN2 - Texas A&M: Williams (44)
12:00 ACCN - North Carolina: Jackson (44)
2:00 ESPN - Louisville vs Florida State: Mitchell (45) / Isaac (1), Bacon (4)
Good game to watch Isaac against a tough defense
2:00 CBS - Kansas: Jackson (11)
2:00 ACCN - NC State: Smith (4), Yurtseven (14)
2:30 FS1 - Creighton: Patton (23)
4:00 CBS - Arizona vs UCLA: Markkanen (10), Trier (35) / Ball (2), Leaf (22)
Trier's 1st game back.
4:00 ESPN - Michigan State vs Indiana: Bridges (22) / Bryant (31)
6:00 ESPN - South Carolina vs Kentucky: Fox (0), Monk (5), Bam (3)
8:00 PAC12 - Washington: Fultz (20)
8:00 ESPNU - Baylor: Motley (5)
8:15 ESPN - Duke: Giles (1), Tatum (0), Bolden (20), Allen (3), Kennard (5)
10:30 PAC12 - California: Rabb (1)
Thanks Tazz, TP. There is a lot of prospects playing today, I think I'll watch the fultz game since I haven't been paying much attention to him
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I'm not giving up on my guys Harry Giles. I still have faith that he will be a top 3 pick come draft time. I'm hoping for a 20 point game for him today
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Watching Kansas/Texas, and the most impressive guy on the floor has been Jarret Allen. Lean, agile 7 footer, he's got 19/16 with 3 blocks with 10 minutes still to go. 6 turnovers though. Obviously a work in progress, but he's shown a good mid range game and the ability to put it on the floor against close outs.
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Watching Kansas/Texas, and the most impressive guy on the floor has been Jarret Allen. Lean, agile 7 footer, he's got 19/16 with 3 blocks with 10 minutes still to go. 6 turnovers though. Obviously a work in progress, but he's shown a good mid range game and the ability to put it on the floor against close outs.
I'll have to try to catch the game in replay. Jarrett Allen started the season as a late lottery projection in the DraftExpress 2017 mock but he played so poorly that they pushed him back to their 2018 mock.
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Watching Kansas/Texas, and the most impressive guy on the floor has been Jarret Allen. Lean, agile 7 footer, he's got 19/16 with 3 blocks with 10 minutes still to go. 6 turnovers though. Obviously a work in progress, but he's shown a good mid range game and the ability to put it on the floor against close outs.
I'll have to try to catch the game in replay. Jarrett Allen started the season as a late lottery projection in the DraftExpress 2017 mock but he played so poorly that they pushed him back to their 2018 mock.
Agree. He was a non-factor in so many games that we stopped including him in the prospects to be watched. He was , I think 13-14 on nbadraft.net.early in the season.... then his play made him deservedly disappear.
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I'm not giving up on my guys Harry Giles. I still have faith that he will be a top 3 pick come draft time. I'm hoping for a 20 point game for him today
0 pts in the 1at half
Tatum with 2 points
What is going on with these prospects
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Not impressed with Tatum's defense or ball awareness.
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I'm not giving up on my guys Harry Giles. I still have faith that he will be a top 3 pick come draft time. I'm hoping for a 20 point game for him today
0 pts in the 1at half
Tatum with 2 points
What is going on with these prospects
If this continues there will be real separation between the top 4 and the rest of these guys.
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I'm not giving up on my guys Harry Giles. I still have faith that he will be a top 3 pick come draft time. I'm hoping for a 20 point game for him today
0 pts in the 1at half
Tatum with 2 points
What is going on with these prospects
Cept for Isaac, and Fultz
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Duke actually looked like a good basketball team in the 2nd half rather than just a bunch of talented players. Coach Capel putting Allen, Kennard and Giles to the bench was a great move. Makes no sense for them to start their 3 worst defensive players. Giles and at least one of Allen or Kennard need to come off the bench from now on.
Tatum looked much better in the 2nd half. He made some aggressive drives to the basket. Bolden played by far his best game both offensively and defensively. Finally showed why he was projected as a late lottery pick. Giles continues to look bad. Plays lousy defense and fouls a lot while doing it.
Isaac continues to look better and better. I would not be surprised if he ends up being the top non-guard in the draft.
Fox is definitely the key cog for Kentucky. Their offense collapsed when he went out with a twisted ankle in the 1st half. Monk showed some aggressiveness driving to the basket a bit rather than just settling for jumpers. Hopefully he keeps it up when Fox gets back.
Only caught the 2nd half of the game but Patton was in foul trouble again. 2nd game in a row where I've seen him pickup a stupid 4th foul. He did make a rather acrobatic, for a 7' center, catch and layup on the fast break. He moves well defensively but he's not an imposing defensive presence.
Robert Williams probably had his best game (18pts, 12rebs) so far. I'd really like to have a late lottery pick to take him. He's a raw prospect but further along than I initially thought. Excellent defense, good rebounding and a surprising post game.
Getting old. Fell asleep during the UCLA/Arizona game and missed the last 10 minutes. Ball and Markkanen both looked good up to that point. Not sure how Ball's shot works but he gets it off quick and it goes in so that's all that matters. Ball showed he could drive the lane successfully a few times. Markannen's shot looks great and it goes in like you expect it to. He's more Dirk than Porzingis.
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EDIT!!!!!
My apologies for earlier update. I mistakenly put the games for next Sunday, the 29th. I am a big dope!!!
Sorry for any inconveniences that this may have caused people.
UPDATE: Sunday 1/22
Draft prospects for today:
2:00 CBS Xavier Sumner (4)
6:30 ESPMU Clemson Blossomgame (5)
Mea culpa!
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/23
Draft prospects for today:
Lot of choices before football, especially at 1:00 p.m.
1:00 CBS MichSt Bridges (22)
1:00 Fox 'Nova Hart (3)
1:00 ACCN NCSt/ Lou DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/ Mitchell (45)
3:30 FOX 'Zona Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Alkins (1), Simmons (2)
4:30 BTN Purdue Caleb
6:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 BTN Indiana Bryant (31), Anunoby (3)
8:30 ESPNU Cal Rabb (1)
OG is out for the season with knee surgery.
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/23
Draft prospects for today:
Lot of choices before football, especially at 1:00 p.m.
1:00 CBS MichSt Bridges (22)
1:00 Fox 'Nova Hart (3)
1:00 ACCN NCSt/ Lou DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/ Mitchell (45)
3:30 FOX 'Zona Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Alkins (1), Simmons (2)
4:30 BTN Purdue Caleb
6:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 BTN Indiana Bryant (31), Anunoby (3)
8:30 ESPNU Cal Rabb (1)
OG is out for the season with knee surgery.
TP, forgot, thanks...fixed.
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I'm not giving up on my guys Harry Giles. I still have faith that he will be a top 3 pick come draft time. I'm hoping for a 20 point game for him today
0 pts in the 1at half
Tatum with 2 points
What is going on with these prospects
I don't know, duke is not looking too good right now
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/23
Draft prospects for today:
Lot of choices before football, especially at 1:00 p.m.
1:00 CBS MichSt Bridges (22)
1:00 Fox 'Nova Hart (3)
1:00 ACCN NCSt/ Lou DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/ Mitchell (45)
3:30 FOX 'Zona Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Alkins (1), Simmons (2)
4:30 BTN Purdue Caleb Swanigan (50) 2nd rounder
6:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 BTN Indiana Bryant (31)
8:30 ESPNU Cal Rabb (1)
It should be Sunday 1/22. Looks like I screwed you up with my previous post saying Saturday 1/22.
As for the games, the only top 25 game ESPN shows today is Xavier at 1:00. Did you look at the wrong day?
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/23
Draft prospects for today:
Lot of choices before football, especially at 1:00 p.m.
1:00 CBS MichSt Bridges (22)
1:00 Fox 'Nova Hart (3)
1:00 ACCN NCSt/ Lou DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/ Mitchell (45)
3:30 FOX 'Zona Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Alkins (1), Simmons (2)
4:30 BTN Purdue Caleb Swanigan (50) 2nd rounder
6:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 BTN Indiana Bryant (31)
8:30 ESPNU Cal Rabb (1)
It should be Sunday 1/22. Looks like I screwed you up with my previous post saying Saturday 1/22.
As for the games, the only top 25 game ESPN shows today is Xavier at 1:00. Did you look at the wrong day?
Tazz, TP, you're right....stupid me had the games for next Sunday, the 29th...apologies everyone!!!
Will fix.
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UPDATE: Monday 1/23
Potential draftees playing tonight:
7:00 ESPN NCSt DSJ(4),Yurtseven(14)
Duke Tatum(0),Giles(1), Kennard(5), Bolden(20), Allen(3)
7:00 ESPNU Ok St Jawun Evans (1)
9:00 ESPN Texas Jarrett Allen (31) (looked very week early in season)
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UPDATE: Tuesday 1/24
Potential draftees today:
6:30 SECN SCarolina PJ Dozier (15)
7:00 BTN MD Melo Trimble (2)
7:00 ESPN2 MichSt/Purdue Bridges (22)/Caleb Swanigan (50)
7:00 ESPNU Louisville Mitchell (45)
8:00 ACCN Wake/Syr Collins (20), Lydon (20)
8:00 ACCN ND VJ Beacham (3)
8:00 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart (3)
9:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
9:00 ESPNU IOSt/ KSt Morris (11)/Iwundu (25)
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/25
7:00 ACCN Florida St Isaac(1), Bacon(4)
7:30 ESPN2 A&M Robt. Wms (44)
8:00 ESPNews Baylor Motley(5)
9:00 SECN Florida Robinson (1)
10:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
11:00 FS1 UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
11:00 ESPNU Wash Fultz (20)
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UPDATE: Thursday 1/26
8:00 ESPN UNC Justin Jackson (44), Isaiah Hicks (4)
9:00 ESPN2 Indiana Bryant (31)
9:30 PAC-12 'Arizona Markkanen (10), Alkins (1), Trier (35), Kobe Simmons (2)
10:30 FS1 Oregon Boucher (25), Bell (1), Brooks (24), Dorsey (5)
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Friday: 1/27
only one game with a potential draftee tonight:
8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25) (Late first, doubt early second)
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Prospect watching and 1 top matchup for Saturday 1/28
12:00 ESPN - Texas A&M: Robert Williams (44)
12:00 ESPN2 - Florida State vs. Syracuse: Isaac (1), Bacon (4) / Lydon (20)
2:30 FS1 - Creighton: Patton (23)
3:00 ACCN - Duke: Tatum (0), Giles (1), Bolden (20), Kennard (5), Allen (3)
6:15 ESPN - Kansas vs Kentucky: Jackson (11) / Fox (0), Monk (5), Bam (3)
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UPDATE: Saturday 1/28
Potential Draftees playing today: Lots to watch folks!!
12:00 ESPN A&M Robt Wms (44)
12:00 ESPNU ND VJ Beacham (3)
12:00 ACCN Clemson Blossomgame (5)
12:00 ESPN2 FSU/Syr Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/Lydon (20)
1:00 CBS UNC Justin Jackson (44), Tony Bradley (5)
2:00 ESPN2 KSt. Iwundu (25)
2:15 BTN MD Melo Trimble (2)
2:30 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23)
3:00 ACCN Duke/Wake Tatum(0), Giles(1),Kennard(5), Allen(3), Bolden(20)/ John Collins (20)
4:00 ESPNU OKSt Jawun Evans (1)
4:00 ESPN Texas Jarret Allen (31)
4:00 ESPN2 IOSt/Vandy Monte Morris(11), Luke Kornet (3)
4:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
6:00 ESPN2 Baylor Motley (5)
6:15 ESPN UK/KU Monk(5), Fox(0),Bam(3)/Josh Jackson(11), Mykhailiuk (10)
8:30 SECN SCarolina PJ Dozier (15)
9:30 PAC-12 Oregon Boucher (25), Bell (1), Brooks (24), Dorsey (5)
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UPDATE: Saturday 1/28
Potential Draftees playing today: Lots to watch folks!!
12:00 ESPN A&M Robt Wms (44)
12:00 ESPNU ND VJ Beacham (3)
12:00 ACCN Clemson Blossomgame (5)
12:00 ESPN2 FSU/Syr Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/Lydon (20)
1:00 CBS UNC Justin Jackson (44), Tony Bradley (5)
2:00 ESPN2 KSt. Iwundu (25)
2:15 BTN MD Melo Trimble (2)
2:30 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23)
3:00 ACCN Duke/Wake Tatum(0), Giles(1),Kennard(5), Allen(3), Bolden(20)/ John Collins (20)
4:00 ESPNU OKSt Jawun Evans (1)
4:00 ESPN Texas Jarret Allen (31)
4:00 ESPN2 IOSt/Vandy Monte Morris(11), Luke Kornet (3)
4:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
6:00 ESPN2 Baylor Motley (5)
6:15 ESPN UK/KU Monk(5), Fox(0),Bam(3)/Josh Jackson(11), Mykhailiuk (10)
8:30 SECN SCarolina PJ Dozier (15)
9:30 PAC-12 Oregon Boucher (25), Bell (1), Brooks (24), Dorsey (5)
TP csfan. My guy Giles playing today, lets go!!!
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
TP, rooting for Giles too.
The more quality in the draft, the more valuable our pick.
Do you think there is a chance that he doesn't come out this year?
I know the $$$$ is huge, even a later first rounder is given life-changing, guaranteed money.
I'm stuck in a conference and haven't been able to watch all these games, so going nuts.
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
TP, rooting for Giles too.
The more quality in the draft, the more valuable our pick.
Do you think there is a chance that he doesn't come out this year?
I know the $$$$ is huge, even a later first rounder is given life-changing, guaranteed money.
I'm stuck in a conference and haven't been able to watch all these games, so going nuts.
You know at the beginning of the season I was hearing people saying that he should stay another year and I though they were crazy considering his injury history and how risky it'll be, but now that I've been watching him for a couple of months I'm starting to think that he should. He has so much talent and he is capable of sooo much more than what he is doing right now. Plus if he comes out too early and raw he could be the next James Young.
Ps sorry you missed the duke game it was pretty crazy, Luke kennard hit the game winner and score 30 points in the second half on 10/10 shooting
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This Kentucky-Kansas game on ESPN is must watch TV for all C's fans. Early observation: Malik Monk is going to be a dominant scorer.
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
TP, rooting for Giles too.
The more quality in the draft, the more valuable our pick.
Do you think there is a chance that he doesn't come out this year?
I know the $$$$ is huge, even a later first rounder is given life-changing, guaranteed money.
I'm stuck in a conference and haven't been able to watch all these games, so going nuts.
You know at the beginning of the season I was hearing people saying that he should stay another year and I though they were crazy considering his injury history and how risky it'll be, but now that I've been watching him for a couple of months I'm starting to think that he should. He has so much talent and he is capable of sooo much more than what he is doing right now. Plus if he comes out too early and raw he could be the next James Young.
Ps sorry you missed the duke game it was pretty crazy, Luke kennard hit the game winner and score 30 points in the second half on 10/10 shooting
On the road, coming home, but I heard about Kennard's exploits. He has been THE best player on that team all year along. Kid can play. I'd love to have him...winner.
And, yeah, about Giles, staying in school would be the best thing for his basketball development and to increase his draft stock, but the downside risk of him doing so is FAR too great. He gets hurt again, he'll be a 2nd rounder at best, with no guaranteed $$$. TP, thanks for the update.
Hoping to make it home in time to catch the Cs 2nd half. Oregon will be a good team to watch tonight too.
EDIT: Anybody watch Patton? Kid's going lottery, Isaac top 5. Been saying both for awhile.
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Josh Jackson looking good!
Jonathan Isaac had 12 boards!
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This Kentucky-Kansas game on ESPN is must watch TV for all C's fans. Early observation: Malik Monk is going to be a dominant scorer.
TP to you; not for the opinion, but for spelling dominant and not dominate. You may be the only one on the Internet!
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This Kentucky-Kansas game on ESPN is must watch TV for all C's fans. Early observation: Malik Monk is going to be a dominant scorer.
Monk cooled off after a hot start. I still think he's undersized and one dimensional, although he is a great athlete, no doubt.
Jackson was the best looking prospect to me, great all around game and his shot seems to be coming around. 2-5 from 3 today after going 6-9 his previous two games.
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Jackson were much more impressive against Kentucky than Ball. People undervalue the versatility he brings.
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Anybody watching Oregon versus Colorado? Very entertaining.
Both exciting teams with underrated talent.
And the Ducks uniforms just like their football uniforms are insane. I think you can see them in the dark.
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Jackson impressed again.
Why is it that I still don't feel comfortable saying he is the best player in this draft? What is it about his game that makes me feel concerned that he can't star in the NBA?
I have no idea, but I can't shake the feeling.
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Jackson impressed again.
Why is it that I still don't feel comfortable saying he is the best player in this draft? What is it about his game that makes me feel concerned that he can't star in the NBA?
I have no idea, but I can't shake the feeling.
What if I told you Fultz could end up as another Dion Waiters?
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Jackson impressed again.
Why is it that I still don't feel comfortable saying he is the best player in this draft? What is it about his game that makes me feel concerned that he can't star in the NBA?
I have no idea, but I can't shake the feeling.
its probably because he cant shoot.
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This Kentucky-Kansas game on ESPN is must watch TV for all C's fans. Early observation: Malik Monk is going to be a dominant scorer.
TP to you; not for the opinion, but for spelling dominant and not dominate. You may be the only one on the Internet!
Agree...people blow my mind that way, mixing verbs and adjectives.... messed up!
They're, their and there too!
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Jackson impressed again.
Why is it that I still don't feel comfortable saying he is the best player in this draft? What is it about his game that makes me feel concerned that he can't star in the NBA?
I have no idea, but I can't shake the feeling.
A picture perfect jump stroke is prob why =p
You know who has one? Parker or Wiggins. But I rather have a guy like Josh Jackson any day of the week
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Jackson impressed again.
Why is it that I still don't feel comfortable saying he is the best player in this draft? What is it about his game that makes me feel concerned that he can't star in the NBA?
I have no idea, but I can't shake the feeling.
What if I told you Fultz could end up as another Dion Waiters?
Yikesss
More likely a beal or mccollum vs Waiters
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Josh Jackson looking good!
Jonathan Isaac had 12 boards!
For me I would be happy with one of Isaac, Jackson, Fultz
Jayson Tatum (8pts today) and Giles(6pts) looking like garbage right now. Kennards Duke best player
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Josh jackson beast game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=FFbf3sCzsms
Jonathan Isaac nice game vs Syracuse
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=32rEqNNFmFo
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Jackson impressed again.
Why is it that I still don't feel comfortable saying he is the best player in this draft? What is it about his game that makes me feel concerned that he can't star in the NBA?
I have no idea, but I can't shake the feeling.
its probably because he cant shoot.
And because his shot is extremely ugly
Edit: my bad I didn't know that joke was already made, all credit to triboy
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my top 5
Fultz
Isaac
Smith
Ball
Jackson
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Josh jackson beast game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=FFbf3sCzsms
Jonathan Isaac nice game vs Syracuse
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=32rEqNNFmFo
Jackson is a baller.. top handles/passing skills for a forward
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UPDATE: Sunday 1/29
Draft prospects for today:
Lot of choices especially at 1:00 p.m.
1:00 CBS MichSt Bridges (22)
1:00 Fox 'Nova Hart (3)
1:00 ACCN NCSt/ Lou DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/ Mitchell (45)
3:30 FOX Wash/ AZ FULTZ (20) Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Alkins (1), Simmons (2)
4:30 BTN Purdue Caleb Swanigan (50) 2nd rounder
6:00 FS1 Xavier Edmond Sumner (4)
6:30 BTN Indiana Bryant (31)
8:30 ESPNU Cal Rabb (1)
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
TP, rooting for Giles too.
The more quality in the draft, the more valuable our pick.
Do you think there is a chance that he doesn't come out this year?
I know the $$$$ is huge, even a later first rounder is given life-changing, guaranteed money.
I'm stuck in a conference and haven't been able to watch all these games, so going nuts.
. In the flip side if Giles comes out and Slides maybe Danny Can go get him like the Sun's did with Chriss.
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Josh jackson beast game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=FFbf3sCzsms
Jonathan Isaac nice game vs Syracuse
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=32rEqNNFmFo
Jackson is a baller.. top handles/passing skills for a forward
Not to mention very elite versatile defender.
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
TP, rooting for Giles too.
The more quality in the draft, the more valuable our pick.
Do you think there is a chance that he doesn't come out this year?
I know the $$$$ is huge, even a later first rounder is given life-changing, guaranteed money.
I'm stuck in a conference and haven't been able to watch all these games, so going nuts.
. In the flip side if Giles comes out and Slides maybe Danny Can go get him like the Sun's did with Chriss.
Would love that.
If Giles doesn't get a promise for the first round, it may be unlikely, but he could stay in school .
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I'm still waiting on the 20 point game from him, its gotta come soon ;)
TP, rooting for Giles too.
The more quality in the draft, the more valuable our pick.
Do you think there is a chance that he doesn't come out this year?
I know the $$$$ is huge, even a later first rounder is given life-changing, guaranteed money.
I'm stuck in a conference and haven't been able to watch all these games, so going nuts.
. In the flip side if Giles comes out and Slides maybe Danny Can go get him like the Sun's did with Chriss.
Would love that.
If Giles doesn't get a promise for the first round, it may be unlikely, but he could stay in school .
He is already fallen out of the lotto
The bigger question mark is Tatum
He is healthy and self destruction .... Close to falling out of the top 10 if you ask me
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Tatum I cooled on quickly after initially liking him. Just not that athletic. If your not a great defender you better bring more than midrange scoring on Brad's team.
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Jackson can really drive. Nice dribbling!
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Fultz against Arizona's talented backcourt should be a good test for him.
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Josh jackson beast game
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=FFbf3sCzsms
Jonathan Isaac nice game vs Syracuse
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=32rEqNNFmFo
Jackson is a baller.. top handles/passing skills for a forward
Not to mention very elite versatile defender.
Add me to the lovefest. Really like what I saw from that video. Unselfish willing passer who can play D, drive to the rim, and shoot. Obviously tough to see exactly how good someone is just from a highlight video but I like what I see.
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
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This Kentucky-Kansas game on ESPN is must watch TV for all C's fans. Early observation: Malik Monk is going to be a dominant scorer.
Monk cooled off after a hot start. I still think he's undersized and one dimensional, although he is a great athlete, no doubt.
Jackson was the best looking prospect to me, great all around game and his shot seems to be coming around. 2-5 from 3 today after going 6-9 his previous two games.
I've come around on Monk, because he's as good of a pure shooter as the recent Kentucky 2-guards, and while being an inferior playmaker, has the athleticism that a guy like Jamal Murray lacks. It's just hard for me to see Monk not being a great scorer, which has a lot of value. Jackson looked really good, but his shot worries me. I think it likely has to be rebuilt entirely, and that's quite the undertaking. However, his floor appears to be fairly high with his athleticism, motor, creation ability, defense, size.
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Watching game yesterday, Jackson looks like he'd fit into our team seamlessly. Very team oriented. Chances look good we will get one of Fultz, Ball or Jackso, which is pretty cool.
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Watching game yesterday, Jackson looks like he'd fit into our team seamlessly. Very team oriented. Chances look good we will get one of Fultz, Ball or Jackso, which is pretty cool.
I don't mean this to be disparaging toward Jackson or Danny, but Jackson is the quintessential Danny Ainge player...both in terms of the good and the bad.
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
I agree.
Two guys to especially watch aside from the obvious (Fultz/Markkanen) are Rawle Alkins and Alonzo Trier.
Alkins is 6'4" and 225, strong, quick and explosive. He is underrated. If Alkins guards him, this will be a good test for Fultz.
Trier, who was projected by many for the first round before the year started, has only been back 2 games from an NCAA PED suspension that allowed him to play no games before last week, even though he could travel and practice with the team.
Ainge there for this game? I thought that I heard that somewhere.
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DSJ getting owned by the long, quick, tough Louisville D right now. Saddled with two fouls early though.
Mitchell lighting it up early for Louisville.
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DSJ getting owned by the long, quick, tough Louisville D right now. Saddled with two fouls early though.
Mitchell lighting it up early for Louisville.
DSJ is the one prospect I have no interest in. Same thing happened to him against North Carolina.
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DSJ getting owned by the long, quick, tough Louisville D right now. Saddled with two fouls early though.
Mitchell lighting it up early for Louisville.
DSJ is the one prospect I have no interest in. Same thing happened to him against North Carolina.
I dont want him or Fox to be BPA because neither can play off ball or defend the 2.
Ball and Fultz can do both, making them far better fits with Isaiah/Smart.
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DSJ getting owned by the long, quick, tough Louisville D right now. Saddled with two fouls early though.
Mitchell lighting it up early for Louisville.
DSJ is the one prospect I have no interest in. Same thing happened to him against North Carolina.
I dont want him or Fox to be BPA because neither can play off ball or defend the 2.
Ball and Fultz can do both, making them far better fits with Isaiah/Smart.
I'd bet neither of those guys ends up top 4 according to consensus opinion come draft time, so nothing to worry about.
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DSJ getting owned by the long, quick, tough Louisville D right now. Saddled with two fouls early though.
Mitchell lighting it up early for Louisville.
DSJ is the one prospect I have no interest in. Same thing happened to him against North Carolina.
I dont want him or Fox to be BPA because neither can play off ball or defend the 2.
Ball and Fultz can do both, making them far better fits with Isaiah/Smart.
I'd bet neither of those guys ends up top 4 according to consensus opinion come draft time, so nothing to worry about.
DX has them at 3 and 6 respectively, but I think you are right. Isaac Tatum and Jackson all seem like they could be better prospects. Especially if Isaac continues his strong play.
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
I agree.
Two guys to especially watch aside from the obvious (Fultz/Markkanen) are Rawle Alkins and Alonzo Trier.
Alkins is 6'4" and 225, strong, quick and explosive. He is underrated. If Alkins guards him, this will be a good test for Fultz.
Trier, who was projected by many for the first round before the year started, has only been back 2 games from an NCAA PED suspension that allowed him to play no games before last week, even though he could travel and practice with the team.
Ainge there for this game? I thought that I heard that somewhere.
Arizona making Fultz work hard, 4-11 in the first half. Allen is mostly matched up with him. Markanenn with zero impact in the first half. Washington playing good team D, beating up on the bigger Arizona team inside.
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Watch this extended clip of Jackson vs Monk ... Shows the game as it progresses
But its all Jackson in the 2nd half. Kansas was trailing badly after the 1st as well.... The ending play by Jackson... Ainge would approve.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=0Zg7o9KKdMg
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DSJ getting owned by the long, quick, tough Louisville D right now. Saddled with two fouls early though.
Mitchell lighting it up early for Louisville.
DSJ is the one prospect I have no interest in. Same thing happened to him against North Carolina.
I dont want him or Fox to be BPA because neither can play off ball or defend the 2.
Ball and Fultz can do both, making them far better fits with Isaiah/Smart.
I'd bet neither of those guys ends up top 4 according to consensus opinion come draft time, so nothing to worry about.
DX has them at 3 and 6 respectively, but I think you are right. Isaac Tatum and Jackson all seem like they could be better prospects. Especially if Isaac continues his strong play.
Yeah, I don't see Fox rising higher and expect Smith to fall a bit. I actually really like Fox, but we know what he is, and that's limited with his shot. Smith is really solid as well, but I think a lot of his success can be attributed to exceptional athleticism at the college level, which is fairly diminished in the NBA where nearly everyone is an exceptional athlete. I will say, though, that both of these guys, despite their faults, are superior prospects to Kris Dunn in my eyes, which speaks to the quality and depth of this PG class.
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
I agree.
Two guys to especially watch aside from the obvious (Fultz/Markkanen) are Rawle Alkins and Alonzo Trier.
Alkins is 6'4" and 225, strong, quick and explosive. He is underrated. If Alkins guards him, this will be a good test for Fultz.
Trier, who was projected by many for the first round before the year started, has only been back 2 games from an NCAA PED suspension that allowed him to play no games before last week, even though he could travel and practice with the team.
Ainge there for this game? I thought that I heard that somewhere.
Arizona making Fultz work hard, 4-11 in the first half. Allen is mostly matched up with him. Markanenn with zero impact in the first half. Washington playing good team D, beating up on the bigger Arizona team inside.
Not much different in the 2nd half. Markanen hit a couple of 3's but didn't have much impact otherwise. Fultz continued to struggle against Allen, who I would describe as the player of the game.
Still not convinced that Fultz is a clear #1. I'd put Ball and Jackson in the same tier, and persnonally would take either one over Fultz.
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
I agree.
Two guys to especially watch aside from the obvious (Fultz/Markkanen) are Rawle Alkins and Alonzo Trier.
Alkins is 6'4" and 225, strong, quick and explosive. He is underrated. If Alkins guards him, this will be a good test for Fultz.
Trier, who was projected by many for the first round before the year started, has only been back 2 games from an NCAA PED suspension that allowed him to play no games before last week, even though he could travel and practice with the team.
Ainge there for this game? I thought that I heard that somewhere.
Arizona making Fultz work hard, 4-11 in the first half. Allen is mostly matched up with him. Markanenn with zero impact in the first half. Washington playing good team D, beating up on the bigger Arizona team inside.
Not much different in the 2nd half. Markanen hit a couple of 3's but didn't have much impact otherwise. Fultz continued to struggle against Allen, who I would describe as the player of the game.
Still not convinced that Fultz is a clear #1. I'd put Ball and Jackson in the same tier, and persnonally would take either one over Fultz.
Agreed. Fultz is still a nice talent...just not a magical one like many think here. I rather draft Jacksom or Isaac.
Fultz 8 for 23- 16 points
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400915648
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UPDATE: Monday 1/30
Only two games, but with Duke with 5 potential draftees (shouldn't they be doing better than they are?)
7:00 ESPN Duke/ND Kennard(5), Allen(3), Tatum(0), Giles(1), Bolden(3)
VJ Beacham(3)
9:00 ESPN OK State Jawun Evans(1); Oklahoma has an intersecting freshman to watch who will probably be on draft boards next year: Kristian Doolittle(11)
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Watching local (New Bedford) product for ND outplaying everyone on Duke so far.
Bonzie Colson, a junior and Beacham, a senior, looking good early.
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
I agree.
Two guys to especially watch aside from the obvious (Fultz/Markkanen) are Rawle Alkins and Alonzo Trier.
Alkins is 6'4" and 225, strong, quick and explosive. He is underrated. If Alkins guards him, this will be a good test for Fultz.
Trier, who was projected by many for the first round before the year started, has only been back 2 games from an NCAA PED suspension that allowed him to play no games before last week, even though he could travel and practice with the team.
Ainge there for this game? I thought that I heard that somewhere.
Arizona making Fultz work hard, 4-11 in the first half. Allen is mostly matched up with him. Markanenn with zero impact in the first half. Washington playing good team D, beating up on the bigger Arizona team inside.
Not much different in the 2nd half. Markanen hit a couple of 3's but didn't have much impact otherwise. Fultz continued to struggle against Allen, who I would describe as the player of the game.
Still not convinced that Fultz is a clear #1. I'd put Ball and Jackson in the same tier, and persnonally would take either one over Fultz.
Agreed. Fultz is still a nice talent...just not a magical one like many think here. I rather draft Jacksom or Isaac.
Fultz 8 for 23- 16 points
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400915648
Your guy Jackson has no moves. He's just taking advantage with his height and athleticism. Winslow looked just as good on offense in college. That's the counter on him. He could be an anemic offensive player like Smart. I'd rather take my chances on Fultz and hope he turns into Harden
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Man it really is upsetting watching a talent like Giles continue to perform like this... He is exactly what we need
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Arizona-Washington this afternoon is another must-watch for us.
I agree.
Two guys to especially watch aside from the obvious (Fultz/Markkanen) are Rawle Alkins and Alonzo Trier.
Alkins is 6'4" and 225, strong, quick and explosive. He is underrated. If Alkins guards him, this will be a good test for Fultz.
Trier, who was projected by many for the first round before the year started, has only been back 2 games from an NCAA PED suspension that allowed him to play no games before last week, even though he could travel and practice with the team.
Ainge there for this game? I thought that I heard that somewhere.
Arizona making Fultz work hard, 4-11 in the first half. Allen is mostly matched up with him. Markanenn with zero impact in the first half. Washington playing good team D, beating up on the bigger Arizona team inside.
Not much different in the 2nd half. Markanen hit a couple of 3's but didn't have much impact otherwise. Fultz continued to struggle against Allen, who I would describe as the player of the game.
Still not convinced that Fultz is a clear #1. I'd put Ball and Jackson in the same tier, and persnonally would take either one over Fultz.
Agreed. Fultz is still a nice talent...just not a magical one like many think here. I rather draft Jacksom or Isaac.
Fultz 8 for 23- 16 points
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400915648
Your guy Jackson has no moves. He's just taking advantage with his height and athleticism. Winslow looked just as good on offense in college. That's the counter on him. He could be an anemic offensive player like Smart. I'd rather take my chances on Fultz and hope he turns into Harden
What we don't need is a guy that can just do one thing or the other. One just needs to look around the league to see that the team that usually has a chance to get to the big dance has a stud that not only plays that defense, not only grabs rebounds, , or has a high BBIQ with his passing but can also create his own offense and take over a game. It is what will make this Nets pick worth all the fuzz. I see two dynamic players in college. What's out there overseas?
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Watching local (New Bedford) product for ND outplaying everyone on Duke so far.
Bonzie Colson, a junior and Beacham, a senior, looking good early.
This must have been really early because Duke was up 12 at the half, won by 10.
Tatum had 19 and 14. Giles 5 and 4, and four fouls.
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Watching local (New Bedford) product for ND outplaying everyone on Duke so far.
Bonzie Colson, a junior and Beacham, a senior, looking good early.
This must have been really early because Duke was up 12 at the half, won by 10.
Tatum had 19 and 14. Giles 5 and 4, and four fouls.
It was,.......first 4-8 minutes.
When Tatum went down, later in the game trying to sky over that guy and he got called for an offensive foul was a scary moment. Took him a long time to get up.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 1/31
Prospects to watch tonight, mostly jammed up at 7:00::::
7:00 ESPN Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
7:00 ESPN2 UNC Justin Jackson (44), Isaiah Hicks (4)
7:00 ESPNU Wake Collins (20)
7:00 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23), hopefully stay out of foul trouble
9:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
9:00 ESPNU A&M/Vandy Robt Wms (44)/Kornet (3)
9:00 ESPN2 Io St Monte Morris (11)
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Malik Monk may be one dimensional, but holy crap!, is he something in that one dimension.
UK WITHOUT Fox, down to GA at Rupp for most of the game, and Monk takes over in 2nd half and then ties it to send it into OT.
Then, 2 3s from way downtown, and a deuce and two FTs, and a great alley-oop assist to 💥 Bam to dominate OT.
6pts in first half....ended up with 37.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 2/1
Lot of action tonight!
6:30 BTN Indiana Bryant (31)
7:00 ACCN Clemson Blossomgame (5)
7:00 FS1 'Nova Hart (3)
7:30 ESPNews KSt Iwundu (25)
8:00 ACCN FSU Isaac (1), bacon (4)
8:30 BTN Purdue Swanigan(50)
9:00 SECN SC PJ Dozier (15)
9:00 ESPNU Texas Jarrett Allen (31)
9:00 PAC-12 UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
9:00 ESPN2 KU/Baylor Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (10)/Motley (5)
9:00 FS1 Xavier Edmund Sumner (4)
11:00 ESPNU Wash Fultz (20)
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UPDATE: Thursday 2/2
Potential draftees playing tonight:
7:00 ESPN2 Florida Robinson (1)
7:00 ESPN Mich St Bridges (22)
8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
9:00 ESPN2 Arizona Markkanen(10), Alkins(1), Simmons(2), Trier(35)
9:00 FS1 Oregon Boucher(25), Bell(1), Brooks(24), Dorsey(5)
9:00 PAC-12 Cal Rabb (1)
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Prospect watching for 2/4
12:00 ESPN2 Syracuse: Lydon (20)
1:00 CBS Duke: Tatum (0), Giles (1), Bolden (20), Kennard (5), Allen (3)
1:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso: Peters (25)
2:00 ESPN Kansas: Jackson (11)
3:00 FOX Creighton: Patton (23)
3:00 ACCN NC State: Smith Jr (4)
3:00 ACCN Louisville: Mitchell (45)
3:00 ACCN Wake Forest: Collins (20)
3:00 ESPNN Baylor: Motley (5)
4:00 ESPN Arizona vs Oregon: Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Simmons (2)
8:00 CBSSN Villanova: Hart (3)
8:15 ESPN Kentucky: Fox (0), Monk (5), Bam (3)
9:00 ESPNU Texas A&M: Williams (44)
9:15 PAC12 UCLA vs Washington: Ball (2), Leaf (22) / Fultz (20)
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Im a little p---ed that I cant access the Washington-UCLA game. Is the PAC 12 broadcast on channels in the Northeast? Lol
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Im a little p---ed that I cant access the Washington-UCLA game. Is the PAC 12 broadcast on channels in the Northeast? Lol
I get it here just north of Boston on Comcast xfinity sports package.
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Can't believe Washington UCLA isn't nationally broadcast. Two best players in upcoming draft facing each other. Dumb.
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Can't believe Washington UCLA isn't nationally broadcast. Two best players in upcoming draft facing each other. Dumb.
Tell me about it.
I'm going to stream this game on reddit tonight. If someone has a better stream please post here.
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Can't believe Washington UCLA isn't nationally broadcast. Two best players in upcoming draft facing each other. Dumb.
Tell me about it.
I'm going to stream this game on reddit tonight. If someone has a better stream please post here.
I can understand the major networks not carrying the game as it is at 10:30, but why not one of the ESPNs?
Maybe it's a PAC-12N rights thing.
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PAC12 commissioner is incompetent. He does not get the conference good deals at all. The Pac12 is making bad deals, and the conference is not winning any more. It is time to get a commissioner that will make the PAC12 great again.
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Caleb Swanigan increasing his draft stick putting up 26/10 today vs MD.
Game was on at noon. Anybody else watch?
EDIT: Also, Frank Mason and Monte Morris in a duel at Lawrence.
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Caleb Swanigan increasing his draft stick putting up 26/10 today vs MD.
Game was on at noon. Anybody else watch?
EDIT: Also, Frank Mason and Monte Morris in a duel at Lawrence.
Mason and Morris will both end up having good careers in the Assosciation.
Arizona getting absolutely pummeled by Oregon. Markannen has been matched up with Dillon Brooks and just has no chance defensively. Oregon up 69-32 midway second half.
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Caleb Swanigan increasing his draft stick putting up 26/10 today vs MD.
Game was on at noon. Anybody else watch?
EDIT: Also, Frank Mason and Monte Morris in a duel at Lawrence.
Mason and Morris will both end up having good careers in the Assosciation.
Arizona getting absolutely pummeled by Oregon. Markannen has been matched up with Dillon Brooks and just has no chance defensively. Oregon up 69-32 midway second half.
Yeah, Morris has been in my updates for awhile. So has Swanigan. Gonna have to add Mason.
And don't sleep on that Oregon team. They beat UCLA up in Eugene and whipped the crap out of Arizona today, the supposed two best teams in the conference. They will make some serious noise in the NCAAs.
They have four players who could be drafted, and I've been listing them in the updates also for a long time. Brooks, Boucher, Bell and Dorsey.
EDIT: And TP and congrats on your 1000's post!!!
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
Just watching the game, Fultz's team really is terrible. Fultz went up for the 3 comming off the screen, and the big that set the screen just gave up on it leading to Ball blocking the shot.
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
Just watching the game, Fultz's team really is terrible. Fultz went up for the 3 comming off the screen, and the big that set the screen just gave up on it leading to Ball blocking the shot.
Would you say that Ball is the better player slash better winner slash more ready to bring wins to the Celtics right now.
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
Just watching the game, Fultz's team really is terrible. Fultz went up for the 3 comming off the screen, and the big that set the screen just gave up on it leading to Ball blocking the shot.
Would you say that Ball is the better player slash better winner slash more ready to bring wins to the Celtics right now.
I would and have felt this way for awhile..
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
Just watching the game, Fultz's team really is terrible. Fultz went up for the 3 comming off the screen, and the big that set the screen just gave up on it leading to Ball blocking the shot.
Would you say that Ball is the better player slash better winner slash more ready to bring wins to the Celtics right now.
I would and have felt this way for awhile..
My Brother! That's a TP right there my good Man!
Fultzs talent is undeniable. It's his lack of passion and casual approach I think is his only weaknesses.
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UPDATE: Sunday 2/5 SUPER SUNDAY!!!!!!!!
Draftees to watch (small slate because of THE BOWL):
12:30 ESPNU Clemson/FSU Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/Blossomgame (5)
1:00 CBS Indiana Bryant (31)
1:00 ESPNews UNC/ND Justin Jackson (44), I. Hicks (4)
2:00 BTN Iowa Peter Jok (14)
4:30 ESPN California Rabb (1)
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
Just watching the game, Fultz's team really is terrible. Fultz went up for the 3 comming off the screen, and the big that set the screen just gave up on it leading to Ball blocking the shot.
Would you say that Ball is the better player slash better winner slash more ready to bring wins to the Celtics right now.
I would and have felt this way for awhile..
I wasn't sure what to make of the game between the top two prospects. I preferred Fultz going in but Ball was impressive. I wish he could do something about his shot release. You've been watching these games, and you found Patton, so I think you're right on Ball.
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Fultz vs Lonzo Ball Live right now. Watch it here.
http://www.DO NOT SHARE COPYRIGHTED STREAMStv.me/basketball/451788/1/ucla-at-washington-stream.html
Fultz in a "win-win" situation here. If he outplays Ball, he's better, if he doesn't the excuse is Ball has the far superior supporting cast .
Good player on a bad team. Hard to gauge Fultz for me.
Just watching the game, Fultz's team really is terrible. Fultz went up for the 3 comming off the screen, and the big that set the screen just gave up on it leading to Ball blocking the shot.
Would you say that Ball is the better player slash better winner slash more ready to bring wins to the Celtics right now.
I would and have felt this way for awhile..
I wasn't sure what to make of the game between the top two prospects. I preferred Fultz going in but Ball was impressive. I wish he could do something about his shot release. You've been watching these games, and you found Patton, so I think you're right on Ball.
Thanks, I hope that I am.
The "clutch gene" is the other variable here. Ball has it in spades.
Fultz, I'm not sure about. I'm not saying that he doesn't have it, but that there have been very few instances this year when the game was on the line and he had to come through. And, Washington sucks so bad that they wont make the NCAAs, so we won't see him under pressure there either.
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
TP to you!
I wonder what Josh Jackson has to do to be considered for the #1 spot.
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
TP to you!
I wonder what Josh Jackson has to do to be considered for the #1 spot.
I hope Jackson gets there soon, because he has ALMOST every skill to be the #1 rated prospect, and the rest of his game/attributes are elite, including his "heart".
The only (I know it's a big ONLY for a lot of people on here, especially with Danny's propensity to draft athletic, high IQ, coachable, fiery players who aren't exactly great shooters) thing holding him back from being #1 is his shot.
55% free-throw shooting gives a lot of people pause to select him#1.
There is hope, though, especially regarding his 3pt%. He stands at 33% for the season, and he is improving. He is 13/33 at 39% in his last 10 games and 11/21 at 52% in his last 5 games.
Let's hope he keeps showing improvement. I'd love to see him at #1, but Fultz seems pretty entrenched there.
And TP back atcha..
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
TP to you!
I wonder what Josh Jackson has to do to be considered for the #1 spot.
One analysis of him I saw made the comment "He would have gone #1 ten years ago." I think that blurb accurately represents where he is. He is great at everything except shooting, and since the league has trended toward shooting, he is devalued.
It's not even just that his numbers are bad, his shot looks like it has fundamental flaws. His hitch is nasty.
Other than drastically altering his shot, he doesn't have a shot at #1 right now.
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
TP to you!
I wonder what Josh Jackson has to do to be considered for the #1 spot.
One analysis of him I saw made the comment "He would have gone #1 ten years ago." I think that blurb accurately represents where he is. He is great at everything except shooting, and since the league has trended toward shooting, he is devalued.
It's not even just that his numbers are bad, his shot looks like it has fundamental flaws. His hitch is nasty.
Other than drastically altering his shot, he doesn't have a shot at #1 right now.
Ball at least has a shot at #1 overall and his shot is worse than Jackson's. But it goes in like Steph Curry's does.
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
TP to you!
I wonder what Josh Jackson has to do to be considered for the #1 spot.
Improve his free throw shooting, which seems to be the best predictor of future shooting success.
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If we are to knock Jackson's shooting mechanics, I don't see how we can give Ball a pass. Both have unorthodox shots. Whether or not they will be able to maintain such mechanics in the NBA will be seen. Both appear to be great athletes, and are young enough to make changes.
I still prefer Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Isaac, and Tatum in that order.
Likely upsides:
Fultz- taller Lillard/Harden w some D (hopefully)
Ball- Jason Kidd
Jackson- Kawhi
Isaac- Rashard Lewis
Tatum- Pierce
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UPDATE: Monday 2/6
Just a couple of games tonight:
7:00 ESPN Louisville Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN KU/KSt Josh Jackson (10), Mikhailiuk (11)/Iwundu (25)
TP to you!
I wonder what Josh Jackson has to do to be considered for the #1 spot.
One analysis of him I saw made the comment "He would have gone #1 ten years ago." I think that blurb accurately represents where he is. He is great at everything except shooting, and since the league has trended toward shooting, he is devalued.
It's not even just that his numbers are bad, his shot looks like it has fundamental flaws. His hitch is nasty.
Other than drastically altering his shot, he doesn't have a shot at #1 right now.
Ball at least has a shot at #1 overall and his shot is worse than Jackson's. But it goes in like Steph Curry's does.
Not like Curry's. Catch and shoot yeah, but no pull ups or moving threes. If there are highlights they are usually awkward AF and Ball is usually laying on the floor because he's leaning back so much on those type of shots, his balance goes out the window taking contested shots.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 2/7
Draftees playing tonight:
6:00 BTN MD Melo Trimble (2)
6:30 SECN SC PJ Dozier (15)
7:00 ESPN2 FLA Robinson (1)
7:00 ESPN KY Fox (0), Bam, (3), Monk (5)
7:00 ESPNews Wake/ND Collins (20)/VJ Beacham (3)
7:00 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart (4)
8:00 ACCN Syr/Clem Lydon(20)/Blossomgame (5)
8:30 SECN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
9:00 ESPN2 IO ST/Tex Monte Morris (11)/Jarret Allen (31)
9:00 ESPN2 Mich St Bridges (22)
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UPDATE: Wednesday 2/8
Potential draftees playing today:
7:00 ESPN2 NCSt/FSU DSJ (4), Yurtseven(14)/Isaac(1), Bacon (4)
7:00 ESPN Baylor/OKSt Motley (5)/Jawun Evans (1)
8:30 SECN A&M Robt Williams (44)
9:00 BTN Iowa Jok (14)
11:00 ESPNU Cal Rabb (1)
11:00 FS1 Arizona Markkanen(10), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier (35)
11:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
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Jonathan Isaac looking more and more like a top 3 player.
Got FSU's first seven points.....blocks, steals, pressing.
DSJ getting swallowed up early.
Lot of bball to go, but FSU really dominating.
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UPDATE: Thursday 2/9
7:00 ESPN2 Purdue/Indiana Swanigan(50)/Bryant(31) battle of the BIGS!!
8:00 ESPN UNC/Duke JustinJackson(44), I Hicks(4)/Tatum(0), Giles(1), Allen(3), Kennard (5), Bolden (20)......Tobacco Road battle...Duke with more raw talent/UNC with the better team
8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
10:00 FS1 Washington Fultz (20)
10:00 ESPN UCLA/Oregon Ball(2), Leaf(22)/Boucher(25), Bell(1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5).....BEST GAME OF THE NIGHT....UCLA wants revenge for getting beaten up in Eugene....Oregon has a lot of underrated talent, so it will be a good test for Ball and Co.
Last night: Issac in my top 4 now: Last night 21 pts 7 'bounds in 24 minutes; DSJ 8 points/6 asst in 35 minutes not very impressive.
Fultz and DSJ have the same excuses made for them: they're on bad teams so they get no help. That IS one way of looking at it. And then there's another.
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UCLA down 19, come back and win led by Lonzo Ball.
18/11 huge in crunch time>>>>>CLUTCH GENE.
The game lived up to its billing. Both potential elite 8 teams.
Anybody watch Fultz tonite?
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UCLA down 19, come back and win led by Lonzo Ball.
18/11 huge in crunch time>>>>>CLUTCH GENE.
The game lived up to its billing. Both potential elite 8 teams.
Anybody watch Fultz tonite?
He didn't play; Washington got bludgeoned.
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UCLA down 19, come back and win led by Lonzo Ball.
18/11 huge in crunch time>>>>>CLUTCH GENE.
The game lived up to its billing. Both potential elite 8 teams.
Anybody watch Fultz tonite?
He didn't play; Washington got bludgeoned.
TP....thanks for the info....Injured?
Colorado is a pretty good team. Underrated.
PAC-12 is a pretty impressive conference this year.
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UCLA down 19, come back and win led by Lonzo Ball.
18/11 huge in crunch time>>>>>CLUTCH GENE.
The game lived up to its billing. Both potential elite 8 teams.
Anybody watch Fultz tonite?
He didn't play; Washington got bludgeoned.
TP....thanks for the info....Injured?
Colorado is a pretty good team. Underrated.
PAC-12 is a pretty impressive conference this year.
Sore knee IIRC. It doesn't sound serious.
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UPDATE: Friday 2/10
NO GAMES WITH POTENTIAL DRAFTEES TONIGHT
Mainly Ivies and small unranked schools.
Big day, tomorrow, Saturday. 21 games to watch!!!
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UPDATE: Saturday 2/11
SO MANY GAMES, SO LITTLE TIME!!
Lots of games and potential draftees to look at today!!!
12:00 ESPN2 A&M/FLA Robt Wms (44)/Robinson (1)
12:00 ACCN NCSt/Wake DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/Collins (20)
12:00 ESPN KSt Wesley Iwundu (25)
1:00 CBS KY Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
1:00 ACCn Syracuse Lydon (20)
1:00 ACCN Clem/Duke Blossomgame (5)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen(3), Kennard (5), Bolden (20)
2:00 ESPNU Baylor Motley (5)
2:00 ESPN Kansas Josh Jackson (11), Mikhailiuk (10)
2:00 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23)
2:30 FOX 'Nova Josh Hart (3)
3:30 SECN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
4:00 ESPN2 Tex/OKSt Jarrett Allen (31)/Jawun Evans (1)
4:00 ESPN Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
4:30 FS1 Washington Fultz (20)
6:00 BTN IO/MSU Jok (14)/Bridges (22)
6:00 ESPN FSU/ND Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/VJ Beacham (3)
6:00 ESPN2 Iowa State Monte Morris (11)
8:00 ESPN2 South Car PJ Dozier (15)
8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
10:00 ESPN2 Arizona Markkanen(10), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier (35)
10:30 PAC-12 Oregon Boucher(25), Bell (1), Brooks (24), Dorsey (5)
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Anybody watch Florida State get annihilated by Notre Dame?
I missed it, but I was wondering how VJ Beacham played?
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Anybody watch Florida State get annihilated by Notre Dame?
I missed it, but I was wondering how VJ Beacham played?
Beachem was unremarkable, Isaac was awful and Bonzie Colson looked like Charles Barkley.
33 and 13 for the big fella.
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Anybody watch Florida State get annihilated by Notre Dame?
I missed it, but I was wondering how VJ Beacham played?
Beachem was unremarkable, Isaac was awful and Bonzie Colson looked like Charles Barkley.
33 and 13 for the big fella.
TP, thanks for the info.
Colson is a local boy from New Bedford. He looked good vs Duke early in the game about two weeks ago.
Watching South Carolina, and Sindarius Thornwell is someone I'm going to have to add to the Updates.
He had 44pts and 22 TRB (10 ORB) in his last game, the announcers said, and he has 15 of SC's first 17 tonight. He was one of 4 candidates for SEC player of the year, according to the commentators, along with Monk, Fox and Matin (maybe I have to include him too) from Georgia.
EDIT: Thornwell's massive game was in a quadruple OT loss to 'Bama where he broke Pistol Pete's SEC FT record with 25 made. That must've been a helluva game.
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UPDATE: Sunday 2/12
Only 4 games with potential draftees; one new guy to check out. (new to updates)
1:00 CBS Indiana Thomas Bryant (31)
2:00 CBSSN Memphis Dedric Lawson (1)*********
4:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
5:00 FS1 UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
*********Dedric Lawson-6'8'', 225 with 7'2" wingspan 19.37 year old Soph
35mpg 19.5ppg/ 10.1rpg/3.5apg/ 2.3bpg/1.4spg/74%FT but only .258 from 3
stat stuffer SF/PF with great body control, averages only 2.6 PF in 35 minutes
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UPDATE: Monday 2/13
Potential draftees for tonight:
7:00 ESPN Syracuse/Louisville Tyler Lydon (20), Donovan Mitchell (45)
7:00 ESPNU Baylor Jonathan Motley (5)
9:00 ESPN Kansas Josh Jackson(11), Mikhailiuk(10), Frank Mason(0)
9:00 CBSSN Villanova Josh Hart (3)
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UPDATE: Tuesday 2/14
7:00 SECN Florida Robinson (1)
7:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
7:00 BTN Purdue Swanigan (50)
7:00 ESPNU Notre Dame VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie Colson (35)
7:00 ACCN Wake/Clem Collins (20), Blossomgame (5)
9:00 ESPNU Georgia Yante Maten (1)
9:00 ESPN2 Texas Jarrett Allen (31)
9:00 ESPN Mich St Miles Bridges (22)
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UPDATE: Tuesday 2/14
7:00 SECN Florida Robinson (1)
7:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
7:00 BTN Purdue Swanigan (50)
7:00 ESPNU Notre Dame VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie Colson (35)
7:00 ACCN Wake/Clem Collins (20), Blossomgame (5)
9:00 ESPNU Georgia Yante Maten (1)
9:00 ESPN2 Texas Jarrett Allen (31)
9:00 ESPN Mich St Miles Bridges (22)
TP for the yeoman's work on this!
Hope my man Biggie Swanigan can keep the double-doubles rolling!
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TP for the yeoman's work on this!
Hope my man Biggie Swanigan can keep the double-doubles rolling!
TP back atcha! Glad people are checking the prospects out and watching these games. I am learning a lot. i have added some new names. Funny, but there are a lot of players who are in nbadraft.net and not draftexpress and vice versa. Lot of talent this year. My head is spinning.
In watching the South Carolina game for VJ Dozier who is in the mocks and in the broadcast learned about Sindarius Thornwell and Georgia's Maten who were listed with Monk and Fox as the 4 candidates for SEC Player of the Year. So now I'm including them.
Your guy Swanigan dominated Bryant and Indiana last week. Good call!!
Check out New Bedford's Bonzie for ND tonight. Entertaining to watch...will go in the late second probably, but he is a high energy guy and fun to watch. Collins and Allen really playing well too.
EDIT: It blows my head that we are getting one of Fultz/Ball/Jackson(my current favorite)/Isaac(maybe top 3)/Tatum.
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TP for the yeoman's work on this!
Hope my man Biggie Swanigan can keep the double-doubles rolling!
TP back atcha! Glad people are checking the prospects out and watching these games. I am learning a lot. i have added some new names. Funny, but there are a lot of players who are in nbadraft.net and not draftexpress and vice versa. Lot of talent this year. My head is spinning.
In watching the South Carolina game for VJ Dozier who is in the mocks and in the broadcast learned about Syndavious Thornwell and Georgia's Maten who were listed with Monk and Fox as the 4 candidates for SEC Player of the Year. So now I'm including them.
Your guy Swanigan dominated Bryant and Indiana last week. Good call!!
Check out New Bedford's Bonzie for ND tonight. Entertaining to watch...will go in the late second probably, but he is a high energy guy and fun to watch. Collins and Allen really playing well too.
EDIT: It blows my head that we are getting one of Fultz/Ball/Jackson(my current favorite)/Isaac(maybe top 3)/Tatum.
Those are my top 5 but probably have Jackson ahead of Ball. Considering all the talent it is not surprising that NBADraft.net and DraftExpress has significant differences. I'd expect the teams' draft boards to vary more than usual.
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I agree.....
So much talent.......it's going to be a real exciting draft.....so many different foreign players too in all the mocks. So you're exactly right in that teams big boards will be very different after the first 5 or so.
I think more 2nd rounders will make teams than usual.
NCAAs should be cool too with players stock rising and falling.
Even now is cool getting to watch players values change.
Too bad we won't be able to watch Fultz......maybe Washington gets an NIT bid and we can see him there.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 2/15
6:30 CBSSN South Carolina Sindarius Thornwell (0), PJ Dozier (15)
7:00 BTN Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
7:00 ESPN2 IOSt/KSt Morris (11)/Iwundu (25)
8:00 ACCN UNC/NCSt Jackson (44), I Hicks (4)/DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
8:00 CBSSN Creighton Justin Patton (23)
9:00 ESPN2 Duke Tatum(0), Giles(1), Allen(3), Kennard(5), Bolden(20)
9:00 BTN Indiana Bryant (31)
9:00 ESPNU OKSt Jawun Evans (1)
9:00 ESPN3 Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
10:00 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
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Giles is barely involved at this point. At some point it almost seems fruitless to list him. His draft prospects are becoming ever more questionable, and there's little to see in games anyway.
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Giles is barely involved at this point. At some point it almost seems fruitless to list him. His draft prospects are becoming ever more questionable, and there's little to see in games anyway.
I agree. Sad state of affairs for him.
Wonder if he'll come out. I think someone will take a chance with him late first. Maybe if he has a promise, he'll come out. That guaranteed money will be too much for him to pass up.
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Giles is barely involved at this point. At some point it almost seems fruitless to list him. His draft prospects are becoming ever more questionable, and there's little to see in games anyway.
I agree. Sad state of affairs for him.
Wonder if he'll come out. I think someone will take a chance with him late first. Maybe if he has a promise, he'll come out. That guaranteed money will be too much for him to pass up.
Giles and Bolden seem to play in the 1st halves but then the rotation gets shortened in the 2nd halves. Also depends on the team they are playing. Against North Carolina, I think Giles and Bolden were on the court at the same time.
If Giles gets assessed as a probable mid 1st pick, I think he'll come out. If he's assessed as a late 1st, he'll probably return to Duke.
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They are getting real short minutes.
Big decision for Giles.....life changing, potentially.
It's a gamble either way. If he gets a promise late first round and he decides to do another year at Duke to increase his value and then gets hurt again, he's screwed.
If he comes out and gets picked late first, while that's guaranteed $$$, if he returns to form and approaches his potential, he'll be working for peanuts (relatively speaking) and he'll be locked up for 3-4 years and probably won't be a happy camper.
If I were he, if I'm guaranteed even a late first, I'm coming out and taking the $$$, because there is a chance he could never play again.
Tough, tough decision.
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UPDATE: Thursday 2/16
Not many games tonight. Fultz is a gametime decision:
7:00 ESPN2 A&M/Vandy Robert Williams (44)/Luke Kornet (3)
9:00 FS1 Arizona Markkanen(10), Alkins(1), Simmons(2),Trier(35)
9:00 ESPN Oregon Boucher(25), Bell(1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5)
9:00 ESPN2 Memphis Dedric Lawson (0)*********
11:00 FS1 Washington Fultz (20)?????
*********Dedric Lawson-6'8'', 225 with 7'2" wingspan 19.37 year old Soph
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UPDATE: Friday 2/17
Only 2 games tonight:
7:00 ESPN2 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
10:00 FS1 California Rabb (1)
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UPDATE: Saturday 2/18
Enjoy today, guys: lots of games to keep you occupied.
12:00 ACCN Clemson Blossomgame (5)
12:00 ESPN ND/NCSt VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie(35)/DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
12:30 Fox Villanova Josh Hart (3)
1:00 ACCN Duke Tatum (0), Giles (1), Allen (3), Kennard (5), Bolden (20)
1:00 ACCN Louisville Donovan Mitchell (45)
1:00 CBS Kansas/Baylor Josh Jackson (11), Mikhailiuk (10)/Motley (5)
2:00 LHN Texas Jarrett Allen (31)
2:00 BTN Iowa Peter Jok (14)
3:00 FOX Oregon Bell (1), Boucher (25), Brooks (24), Dorsey (5)
4:00 ESPNU A&M Robert Williams (44)
4:00 ESPN Mich St/Purdue Miles Bridges (22)/Caleb Swanigan (50)
4:00 ESPN2 Florida State Isaac (1), Bacon (4)
6:00 ESPN Kentucky/ GA Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)/ Yante Maten (1)
6:00 ESPNews Iowa State Monte Morris (11)
8:00 ESPN2 AZ/Wash Markkanen (10), Alkins (1), Simmons (2),Trier(35)/ Fultz (20)
8:00 ESPNU Ok St Jawun Evans (1)
8:15 ESPN UNC Justin Jackson (44), I Hicks (4)
8:30 SECN SC/Vandy Sindarius Thornwell (0)*******,PJ Dozier (15)/ Luke Kornet (3)
10:00 PAC-12 UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
************Thornwell had massive 44/22 vs 'Bama in 4OT loss
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UPDATE: Sunday 2/19
Potential draftees today:
12:00 CBS Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
2:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
3:30 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23)
4:00 CBSSN SD St Malik Pope (21)
6:30 ESPNU Syracuse Tyler Lydon (20)
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UPDATE: Monday 2/20
How about a little distraction from Boogie Fever/Hangover:
Potential draftees playing today:
7:00 ESPNU Florida St Isaac (1), Bacon (4)
9:00 ESPN Texas Jarrett Allen (31)
9:00 ESPNU Iowa St Monte Morris (11)
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UPDATE: Tuesday 2/21
6:00 BTN Purdue Swanigan (50)
7:00 SECN SC/FLA Thornwell (0), PJ Dozier (15)/Devin Robinson
7:00 ESPNU Clemson Blossomgame (5)
7:00 ESPN2 Baylor Motley (5)
8:00 ACCN NCSt/GT DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)/Ben Lammers (44)
8:00 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
9:00 SECN KY Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk(5)
9:00 ESPN Ind/IO Bryant (31)/Jok (14)
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I wonder if this is going to continue after Thursday IF they trade the 2017 Nets Pick.
I doubt they do but who knows.
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I wonder if this is going to continue after Thursday IF they trade the 2017 Nets Pick.
I doubt they do but who knows.
If they trade it, and I don't think that they will, I can do something on late firsts and second rounders.
Great question...hadn't thought of it. TP
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I wonder if this is going to continue after Thursday IF they trade the 2017 Nets Pick.
I doubt they do but who knows.
If they trade it, and I don't think that they will, I can do something on late firsts and second rounders.
Great question...hadn't thought of it. TP
Lol yeah I honestly never thought of it until now.
It seems if it does get moved, it will be only for PG13, not Butler (as reports claim).
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I wonder if this is going to continue after Thursday IF they trade the 2017 Nets Pick.
I doubt they do but who knows.
If they trade it, and I don't think that they will, I can do something on late firsts and second rounders.
Great question...hadn't thought of it. TP
Lol yeah I honestly never thought of it until now.
It seems if it does get moved, it will be only for PG13, not Butler (as reports claim).
The Nets season watch thread will be less relevant also. Actually almost irrelevant..
Again don't think it's going to happen.
If we do trade for George, I hope we keep Brown and Smart.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/22
6:30 SECN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
7:00 ESPN Syr/Duke Lydon(20)/Tatum(0), Giles(1),Allen (3),Kennard(1),Bolden(20)
7:00 ACCN Wake John Collins (20)
7:00 ESPN2 Kansas Josh Jackson (11), Mikhailiuk (10)
8:00 SECN A&M Robt Williams (44)
8:30 BTN Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
9:00 ESPN UNC/Lou Jackson (44), I. Hicks (4)/Donovan Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN2 Ore/Cal Boucher(25), Bell(1), Dorsey (5), Brooks (24)/ RABB (1)
9:00 ESPNU KSt/OkSt Wesley Iwundu (25)/Jawun Evans
9:00 FS1 "Nova Josh hart (3)
10:00 ESPN3 Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
11:00 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
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UPDATE: Wednesday 1/22
6:30 SECN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
7:00 ESPN Syr/Duke Lydon(20)/Tatum(0), Giles(1),Allen (3),Kennard(1),Bolden(20)
7:00 ACCN Wake John Collins (20)
7:00 ESPN2 Kansas Josh Jackson (11), Mikhailiuk (10)
8:00 SECN A&M Robt Williams (44)
8:30 BTN Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
9:00 ESPN UNC/Lou Jackson (44), I. Hicks (4)/Donovan Mitchell (45)
9:00 ESPN2 Ore/Cal Boucher(25), Bell(1), Dorsey (5), Brooks (24)/ RABB (1)
9:00 ESPNU KSt/OkSt Wesley Iwundu (25)/Jawun Evans
9:00 FS1 "Nova Josh hart (3)
10:00 ESPN3 Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
11:00 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
TP. Will definitely watch Kansas and Duke games tonight! Jackson and Tatum! Bless DVR!!
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TP. Will definitely watch Kansas and Duke games tonight! Jackson and Tatum! Bless DVR!!
Thanks...back atcha....and I'm going to do exactly the same thing....plus flip during commercials to Wake to watch John Collins. He has been impressing me lately.
Jackson is in my top 3 now. If we got #1, I'd think about trading down to 2-3 to get him or maybe taking him at 1.
He checks every box emphatically except shooting...and I know that's a big EXCEPT.
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Great game between Duke and Syracuse. Tie game with four minutes left. Tatum having a huge game. I really think he's in the top four discussion with Jackson, Ball, and Fultz.
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Great game between Duke and Syracuse. Tie game with four minutes left. Tatum having a huge game. I really think he's in the top four discussion with Jackson, Ball, and Fultz.
I do too. He's really picked it up in the last month or so. Very easy to see why he was so highly rated.
Dennis Smith Jr. still gets a lot of talk in the top 3-4 as well. 1-2 times a game (the 3 or so games I've seen of him) he makes a play that has me stand up off my couch in awe. And then at least that many times he makes plays that cause me to really hope he's not a Celtic next year. He's someone it's easy to see a team falling in love with -- he's just so athletic. But he's also someone that I could just as easily see fall, because he can be so erratic too.
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Great game between Duke and Syracuse. Tie game with four minutes left. Tatum having a huge game. I really think he's in the top four discussion with Jackson, Ball, and Fultz.
Wow, what an ending...just Wow!
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Great game between Duke and Syracuse. Tie game with four minutes left. Tatum having a huge game. I really think he's in the top four discussion with Jackson, Ball, and Fultz.
Wow, what an ending...just Wow!
Banking in a last second forced three pointer. That's just crazy.
Tatum went for 19 points, 13 rebounds, and 6 assists. He's really come alive recently. His 3 point shooting is now up to around 40%.
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Great game between Duke and Syracuse. Tie game with four minutes left. Tatum having a huge game. I really think he's in the top four discussion with Jackson, Ball, and Fultz.
Wow, what an ending...just Wow!
Banking in a last second forced three pointer. That's just crazy.
Tatum went for 19 points, 13 rebounds, and 6 assists. He's really come alive recently. His 3 point shooting is now up to around 40%.
I agree with you and salt.....Tatum would be a great consolation prize if we miss on Jackson and Fultz.
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UPDATE: (and hopefully not the last one for potential first rounders for this year)
THURSDAY, February 23rd (trade deadline day)
7:00 ESPN2 Michigan State Miles Bridges (22)
7:00 ESPN Memphis Dedric Lawson (0) **************
9:00 ESPN2 UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
10:00 PAC12 Arizona Markkanen (10),Alkins (1), Simmons(2),Trier(35)
*********Dedric Lawson-6'8'', 225 with 7'2" wingspan 19.37 year old Soph
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Great game between Duke and Syracuse. Tie game with four minutes left. Tatum having a huge game. I really think he's in the top four discussion with Jackson, Ball, and Fultz.
Wow, what an ending...just Wow!
Banking in a last second forced three pointer. That's just crazy.
Tatum went for 19 points, 13 rebounds, and 6 assists. He's really come alive recently. His 3 point shooting is now up to around 40%.
Jackson posted 15/11/4 despite turning his ankle early, and getting into foul trouble in 2nd half. He posted those #s in 26 minutes. Tatum played entire 40.
I think Celtics will focus in on taking either Jackson or Tatum (unless Ball really intrigues Danny, hard to tell how he fits in. Fultz I doubt Danny will care for). A case can be made for each. My personal favorite right now is Jackson. He just seems to have a basketball team brain, where he is never forcing anything, loves to involve his team-mates, and just glides across the floor old school, like Drexler and Dr. J. So fundamentally sound. He actually had an off game last night, was a little disappointing defensively at times, which is unusual. I think his ankle had something to do with his unusual display of tentativeness.
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Thanks for the Jackson update.
I was going to DVR both the Duke and kansas games but got pre-occupied and was flipping back and forth. I didn't know about Jackson being hampered by the ankle. He still looked great.
He's my #1 choice right now. As you said, footey, his fluidity and then his explosion and the burn that he has to compete constantly are impressive.
His 3pt shooting is coming around. He is the type of athlete with that burn to improve, so his shot will get there with the amount of work that he is willing to put in.
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We now resume our regularly scheduled coverage of the draft.
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Personally, I will be very disappointed if we end up with Tatum. Typical low-ceiling guy, in my opinion.
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We now resume our regularly scheduled coverage of the draft.
Tp, chil, glad to still be doing this...glad we didn't trade BK pick, but no small moves?
WTH?
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Personally, I will be very disappointed if we end up with Tatum. Typical low-ceiling guy, in my opinion.
Yeah, I don't like him either. A lot of people here do for some reason.. his HS hype gets mentioned a lot but if that's a determining factor then Lonzo Ball is the consensus #1 pick.
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Will scout Ball tonight. Pretty cool we will get one of top 4.
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Personally, I will be very disappointed if we end up with Tatum. Typical low-ceiling guy, in my opinion.
Yeah, I don't like him either. A lot of people here do for some reason.. his HS hype gets mentioned a lot but if that's a determining factor then Lonzo Ball is the consensus #1 pick.
Jackson was the highest ranked out of high school with Giles 2nd.
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2016-final
http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2016/
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UPDATE: Friday 2/24
Only 2 games tonight....Full slate tomorrow with Arizona vs UCLA the standout at 8:15
7:30 ESPN3 Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
10:00 FS1 California Ivan Rabb (1)
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Personally, I will be very disappointed if we end up with Tatum. Typical low-ceiling guy, in my opinion.
Could happen but I think it probably shakes out like this for this excellent front office...
1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Isaac
I would be surprised if Tatum snuck in there.
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Personally, I will be very disappointed if we end up with Tatum. Typical low-ceiling guy, in my opinion.
Could happen but I think it probably shakes out like this for this excellent front office...
1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Isaac
I would be surprised if Tatum snuck in there.
1. Jackson
2. Fultz
3. Ball
4. Tatum
I like Ball better than Fultz, but tougher to fit into our current team, particularly Isaiah.
Jackson not only best fit for our team. He is the best player in the draft. I think that is Danny's target. If we can't get him, more likely to trade the pick.
Tatum more likely selected ahead of Isaac. Has an NBA body.
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Tatum more likely selected ahead of Isaac. Has an NBA body.
Which is precisely why he's looking good in college, imo. He has a rather mature body and a polished game, but his overall athleticism is nothing to write home about. We see prospects like that every year, and most of the time they are good, but unspectacular NBA players.
I think his absolute best case scenario is a Danny Granger-type, which is nice, but nothing to get excited about, either. Top 5 is definitely too high for my taste.
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UPDATE Saturday 2/25
12:00 ACCN FSU/Clem Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/Blossomgame (5)
12:00 ACCN UNC Jackson (44), I. Hicks (4)
12:00 ESPN NCSt DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
1:00 SECN SouthCar Sindarius Thornwell (0), PJ Dozier
2:00 CBS FLA/KY Robinson (1), Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
2:00 ESPNU OKSt Jawun Evans (1)
3:00 FS1 Creighton/'Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
4:00 ESPNU Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
4:00 ESPN2 Purdue Caleb Swanigan (50)
4:00 CBS Duke Tatum(0), Giles(1), Allen(3), Kennard(5), Bolden(20)
4:00 PAC12 Oregon Boucher(25), Bell(1), Brooks(24), Dorsey(5)
4:00 ESPN Baylor/IOSt Motley(5)/Monte Morris (11)
6:00 SECN Georgia Yante Maten (1)
6:00 ESPN Kansas/Tex Josh Jackson(11), Mikhailiuk(10)/Jarret Allen (31)
6:00 ESPN MD/IO Melo Trimble(2)/Jok (14)
6:00 ESPNU KSt Wesley Iwundu (25)
6:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
8:00 ESPN2 A&M Robt Wms (44)
8:00 BTN Indiana Thomas Bryant (31)
8:00 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
8:00 ESPN UCLA/'Zona Ball(2), Leaf(22)/Markkanen(10)Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier (35)
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UPDATE Saturday 2/25
12:00 ACCN FSU/Clem Isaac (1), Bacon (4)/Blossomgame (5)
12:00 ACCN UNC Jackson (44), I. Hicks (4)
12:00 ESPN NCSt DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
1:00 SECN SouthCar Sindarius Thornwell (0), PJ Dozier
2:00 CBS FLA/KY Robinson (1), Fox (0), Bam (3), Monk (5)
2:00 ESPNU OKSt Jawun Evans (1)
3:00 FS1 Creighton/'Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
4:00 ESPNU Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
4:00 ESPN2 Purdue Caleb Swanigan (50)
4:00 CBS Duke Tatum(0), Giles(1), Allen(3), Kennard(5), Bolden(20)
4:00 PAC12 Oregon Boucher(25), Bell(1), Brooks(24), Dorsey(5)
4:00 ESPN Baylor/IOSt Motley(5)/Monte Morris (11)
6:00 SECN Georgia Yante Maten (1)
6:00 ESPN Kansas/Tex Josh Jackson(11), Mikhailiuk(10)/Jarret Allen (31)
6:00 ESPN MD/IO Melo Trimble(2)/Jok (14)
6:00 ESPNU KSt Wesley Iwundu (25)
6:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
8:00 ESPN2 A&M Robt Wms (44)
8:00 BTN Indiana Thomas Bryant (31)
8:00 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
8:00 ESPN UCLA/'Zona Ball(2), Leaf(22)/Markkanen(10)Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier (35)
TP for you. Glad we still have our pick. Would have been hard to watch Fultz, Jackson, Ball, etc. without it.
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TP 60's keeping this alive. Big day today to scout picks!!
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TP 60's keeping this alive. Big day today to scout picks!!
My pleasure...and back atcha. Glad we have a pick to look forward to and dream about. So much talent in this draft, including a bunch of internationals, that we're likely to get stash talent in the 2nd.
DVRs hummin' and channels flippin' today!
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Monk is going off this half, 24 points in the second half so far. Total 27 points in 27 minutes.
Still 6 minutes to go.
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Monk is going off this half, 24 points in the second half so far. Total 27 points in 27 minutes.
Still 6 minutes to go.
He is an explosive scorer.… And he can shoot the three.
Two problems: 1. He is only 6'2" and foa a SG in the pros, that's problematic and 2. He doesn't do much else.
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Monk is going off this half, 24 points in the second half so far. Total 27 points in 27 minutes.
Still 6 minutes to go.
He is an explosive scorer.… And he can shoot the three.
Two problems: 1. He is only 6'2" and foa a SG in the pros, that's problematic and 2. He doesn't do much else.
Someone will draft him with the hope of him playing the point. Who's the best scorer in the draft in your opinion between Fultz, Monk, and Tatum?
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Monk is going off this half, 24 points in the second half so far. Total 27 points in 27 minutes.
Still 6 minutes to go.
He is an explosive scorer.… And he can shoot the three.
Two problems: 1. He is only 6'2" and foa a SG in the pros, that's problematic and 2. He doesn't do much else.
Someone will draft him with the hope of him playing the point. Who's the best scorer in the draft in your opinion between Fultz, Monk, and Tatum?
Great question, TP.
I think that Monk is easily the best pure scorer.
I like Josh Jackson as the best player.
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Ball is having a great game. His court vision, awareness, and instincts are amazing. He's so fun to watch.
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Ball is having a great game. His court vision, awareness, and instincts are amazing. He's so fun to watch.
I wish he would be a little more selfish. He is entertaining though.
Trier playing out of his mind.
He's going to jump into the first round unfortunately.
Was hoping we had a shot for him in second.
EDIT:And how big and strong is Alkins for a point guard? He's like a mini-'Reke.
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Ball is having a great game. His court vision, awareness, and instincts are amazing. He's so fun to watch.
I wish he would be a little more selfish. He is entertaining though.
Trier playing out of his mind.
He's going to jump into the first round unfortunately.
Was hoping we had a shot for him in second.
EDIT:And how big and strong is Alkins for a point guard? He's like a mini-'Reke.
I wasn't familiar with Trier. He had a great game. Draftexpress has him at 51, so he could be available in the second round.
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Ball is having a great game. His court vision, awareness, and instincts are amazing. He's so fun to watch.
I wish he would be a little more selfish. He is entertaining though.
Trier playing out of his mind.
He's going to jump into the first round unfortunately.
Was hoping we had a shot for him in second.
EDIT:And how big and strong is Alkins for a point guard? He's like a mini-'Reke.
I wasn't familiar with Trier. He had a great game. Draftexpress has him at 51, so he could be available in the second round.
He missed the first 20 or so games of the season on a PED related suspension. In many early drafts in November and into December, he was in the late first, early second.
They were expecting big things from him this year, but the suspension stunted his draft projection in a big way. It has cost him a lot of $$$$.
A 6'5" SG who can take it to the rack and hit 3s coming out of a good program. He'll be a bargain for someone.
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UPDATE: Sunday 2/26
1:00 ESPN Valparaiso Alec Peters (25)
2:00 CBSSN Syr/LOU Tyler Lydon (20)/Donovan Mitchell (45)
4:00 CBS Mich St Miles Bridges (22)
5:00 CBSSN Memphis Dedric Lawson (0)
6:30 ESPNU ND/GTech VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie Colson (35)/Ben Lammers (44)
8:30 ESPNU WASH Markelle Fultz (20)
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UPDATE: Monday 2/27
Not a lot of action tonight guys: this is the last week of regular season games ending Sunday.
Potential draftees playing today:
7:00 ESPN UNC Justin Jackson (44), I Hicks (4)
7:00 ESPNU Baylor Motley (5)
9:00 ESPN Kansas Josh Jackson (11), Mikhailiuk (10)
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Always worth watching when Jackson is playing.
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Really enjoy watching Kansas' games. I've caught about 5 so far. Jackson continues to impress, even when he has an off game, like he did vs. Texas last Saturday, where he had a hard time finishing a lot of his drives. He continues to gain confidence in his outside shooting.
Of all the high draft choices, I feel he will slip most seamlessly into our regular rotation right away, even more so than Jaylen Brown did. Seems Celtics are trending towards stock-piling talented players who can defend multiple positions (Brown, Smart) and Jackson more than anyone fits that mold. If we are fortunate to draft him, makes me wonder if we really want to break the bank to go after Hayward.
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Really enjoy watching Kansas' games. I've caught about 5 so far. Jackson continues to impress, even when he has an off game, like he did vs. Texas last Saturday, where he had a hard time finishing a lot of his drives. He continues to gain confidence in his outside shooting.
Of all the high draft choices, I feel he will slip most seamlessly into our regular rotation right away, even more so than Jaylen Brown did. Seems Celtics are trending towards stock-piling talented players who can defend multiple positions (Brown, Smart) and Jackson more than anyone fits that mold. If we are fortunate to draft him, makes me wonder if we really want to break the bank to go after Hayward.
I am on board with drafting Jackson.
Smart/Jaylen/Jackson/Crowder as defenders at the 1-2-3-4????
Teams wont want to be playing us.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 2/28
6:30 BTN MD Melo Trimble (2)
6:30 FS1 GTown Peak (0), Pryor (23)
7:00 ESPNU SC Thornwell (0), Dozier (15)
7:00 SECN A&M Robt Wms (44)
7:00 ESPN2 IND/Pur Bryant (31)/Swanigan (50)
7:00 ESPN FSU/Duke Isaac(1),Bacon(4)/Tatum(0),Giles(1),Allen(3), Kennard(5), Bolden (20)
8:00 CBSSN Creighton Justin Patton (23)
9:00 ESPN KY/Vandy Fox(0), Bam(3), Monk(50)/Kornet (3)
9:00 ESPNU GTech Ben Lammers (44)
9:00 ESPN2 OKSt/IOSt Jawun Evans (1)/Monte Morris (11)
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Thanks for this!
Isaac looking good so far.
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I think Issac must have gone to bench and watch the President's address after the 1st 8 min of the game. I dont see any reason why a team would take him over Tatum or Jackson at this point unless they see him being a dominate defensive player.
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I think Issac must have gone to bench and watch the President's address after the 1st 8 min of the game. I dont see any reason why a team would take him over Tatum or Jackson at this point unless they see him being a dominate defensive player.
I agree.
Josh Jackson, especially, is such a dominant physical presence and is smoothly relentless.
EDIT: KY came back from 19 down to beat Vandy....impressive.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 3/1
6:30 SECN Georgia Yante Maten (1)
7:00 ESPN2 FLA Devin Robinson (1)
7:00 BTN Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)*********
8:00 ACCN Clem/NCSt Blossomgame(5)/ DSJ (4), Yurtseven (14)
8:00 ACCN ND VJ Beacham(3), Bonzie Colson(35)
9:00 ESPN2 Texas Jarrett Allen (31)
9:00 BTN MichSt Miles Bridges (22)
9:00 ACCN Lou/Wake Donovan Mitchell(45)/John Collins (20)
9:00 ESPNU KSt Wesley Iwundu (25)
10:00 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
11:00 FS1 Wash/UCLA Fultz (20)/Ball(2), Leaf (22)
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Thanks, CS Fan. Will watch the game tonight between Fultz and Ball with great interest. While I remain in Jackson's court, could see scenario play out where we could draft one of these two. If we commit to IT long term, I could see Fultz being drafted, since he can be that second go to guy who can create his own offense, which we so desperately need. I don't think we take Ball unless we want to rebuild the team and trade IT.
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Good article on Ball vs Fultz:
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170228/uclas-lonzo-ball-washingtons-markelle-fultz-different-but-equally-good
hey’re dead even, according to one NBA scout.
UCLA’s Lonzo Ball and Washington’s Markelle Fultz have entirely different strengths, but that only makes deciphering which is the better NBA prospect a more difficult task.
The two freshman point guards will share a court for the second time this season when Washington (9-19, 2-14 Pac-12) visits No. 3 UCLA (26-3, 13-3) Wednesday night.
UCLA clearly demonstrated that Ball is surrounded by more talent than his Washington counterpart when the Bruins left Seattle Feb. 4 with a 107-66 victory. Fultz’s 25 accounted for 38 percent of his team’s points. Ball’s 22 were just 21 percent of UCLA’s total.
“Lonzo is not the scorer that Fultz is, but I’m convinced that if I said ‘Go be a scorer,’ Zo could do that,” UCLA coach Steve Alford said. “Lonzo has just made an impression on our program in every phase of the game, how you pass, how you dribble, the shots we take, how we defend...There’s a great culture around Lonzo and a lot of that has to do with who he is as a person.”
According a bevy of experts, Fultz and Ball will be the top two picks in the 2017 NBA draft, in that order. They are projected to go first and second by ESPN’s Chad Ford, DraftExpress.net and NBADraft.net, among others.
Fultz is such a dynamic scorer, he would be a shooting guard at the next level if he were taller than 6-foot-4, according to an NBA scout. In addition, his impact across the board is so historically great that Fultz is the only college basketball player in the last 25 years to average 20 points, five rebounds and five assists. The fifth-leading scorer in the country is on pace for the highest Pac-12 scoring average in 20 years.
Ball can counter that with his status as the only player in the country averaging at least 10 points, seven assists and four rebounds — his actual averages are 14.8 points, a nation-leading 7.6 assists and 6.1 rebounds.
At 6-6, Ball has the size to play either guard position, but is the only true point guard among the best crop of prospects at the position in recent memory. He not only has exceptional vision, but a unique compliment that augments his most identifiable strength.
“He’s got vision and balls,” an NBA scout said. “When he gets an outlet and turns and sees (the) floor, he has all nine people in view. Now his balls come into play because he’s not afraid to throw that pass. Ball isn’t the athlete that Fultz is, but his length and his vision offset a little of what he lacks athletically. And he’s not stiff. He’s not Bryce Alford.”
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Fultz needs to improve cerebrally to run a team at the next level, according to the scout, while the largest concern surrounding Ball is his unconventional shooting form.
Despite being right-handed, Ball shoots from the left side of his head. He requires more space between him and the defender because his release point is lower with his shooting arm angled across his face.
“He’ll be fine the first time through, but there’s a bunch of guys on NBA coaching staffs who will figure out how to take that shot away, guys with more time than Pac-12 coaches,” the NBA scout said. “It’s going to be on him to prove us wrong, to prove that he can make it. But He can’t physically release it as high as someone who shoots it on the right side of his head. Some of it is offset by his height, but when a 6-6, 6-7 guy is guarding him it’s going to be a problem, I think.”
I especially like the part saying Ball has "vision and balls."
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Good article on Ball vs Fultz:
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170228/uclas-lonzo-ball-washingtons-markelle-fultz-different-but-equally-good
hey’re dead even, according to one NBA scout.
UCLA’s Lonzo Ball and Washington’s Markelle Fultz have entirely different strengths, but that only makes deciphering which is the better NBA prospect a more difficult task.
The two freshman point guards will share a court for the second time this season when Washington (9-19, 2-14 Pac-12) visits No. 3 UCLA (26-3, 13-3) Wednesday night.
UCLA clearly demonstrated that Ball is surrounded by more talent than his Washington counterpart when the Bruins left Seattle Feb. 4 with a 107-66 victory. Fultz’s 25 accounted for 38 percent of his team’s points. Ball’s 22 were just 21 percent of UCLA’s total.
“Lonzo is not the scorer that Fultz is, but I’m convinced that if I said ‘Go be a scorer,’ Zo could do that,” UCLA coach Steve Alford said. “Lonzo has just made an impression on our program in every phase of the game, how you pass, how you dribble, the shots we take, how we defend...There’s a great culture around Lonzo and a lot of that has to do with who he is as a person.”
According a bevy of experts, Fultz and Ball will be the top two picks in the 2017 NBA draft, in that order. They are projected to go first and second by ESPN’s Chad Ford, DraftExpress.net and NBADraft.net, among others.
Fultz is such a dynamic scorer, he would be a shooting guard at the next level if he were taller than 6-foot-4, according to an NBA scout. In addition, his impact across the board is so historically great that Fultz is the only college basketball player in the last 25 years to average 20 points, five rebounds and five assists. The fifth-leading scorer in the country is on pace for the highest Pac-12 scoring average in 20 years.
Ball can counter that with his status as the only player in the country averaging at least 10 points, seven assists and four rebounds — his actual averages are 14.8 points, a nation-leading 7.6 assists and 6.1 rebounds.
At 6-6, Ball has the size to play either guard position, but is the only true point guard among the best crop of prospects at the position in recent memory. He not only has exceptional vision, but a unique compliment that augments his most identifiable strength.
“He’s got vision and balls,” an NBA scout said. “When he gets an outlet and turns and sees (the) floor, he has all nine people in view. Now his balls come into play because he’s not afraid to throw that pass. Ball isn’t the athlete that Fultz is, but his length and his vision offset a little of what he lacks athletically. And he’s not stiff. He’s not Bryce Alford.”
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Fultz needs to improve cerebrally to run a team at the next level, according to the scout, while the largest concern surrounding Ball is his unconventional shooting form.
Despite being right-handed, Ball shoots from the left side of his head. He requires more space between him and the defender because his release point is lower with his shooting arm angled across his face.
“He’ll be fine the first time through, but there’s a bunch of guys on NBA coaching staffs who will figure out how to take that shot away, guys with more time than Pac-12 coaches,” the NBA scout said. “It’s going to be on him to prove us wrong, to prove that he can make it. But He can’t physically release it as high as someone who shoots it on the right side of his head. Some of it is offset by his height, but when a 6-6, 6-7 guy is guarding him it’s going to be a problem, I think.”
I especially like the part saying Ball has "vision and balls."
The last two sentences are of a great concern to me. In addition to this he doesnt have a great 1st step and isnt that strong so I wonder how much his game will really change from the dynamics that we see now. I can see him playing off the ball alot to allow for him to be effective in the HC just like they do now.
Im not a huge Ball fan. I have him 4th on my board due to the concerns I have about him.
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UPDATE: Thursday 3/2
9:00 ESPN IO/Wisc Peter Jok (14)/Nigel Hayes (10), Ethan Hopp (22)
9:00 ESPNU Memphis Dedric Lawson (1)
11:00 ESPNU Cal/Utah Ivan Rabb (1)/ Kyle Kuzma (35)
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UPDATE; Friday 3/3
One game tonight.
HUGE day tomorrow. 25 games on with potential draftees.
7:00 ESPN2 IOSt/WVa Monte Morris (11), Deonte Burton (30)
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UPDATE: Thursday 3/2
9:00 ESPN IO/Wisc Peter Jok (14)/Nigel Hayes (10), Ethan Hopp (22)
9:00 ESPNU Memphis Dedric Lawson (1)
11:00 ESPNU Cal/Utah Ivan Rabb (1)/ Kyle Kuzma (35)
I watched most of the Wisc./Iowa game and didn't come away impressed by any of those 3. Jok maybe has a future as a 3 and D guy, athletic and shoots 92% on FTs, but he sure didn't look good last night.
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UPDATE: Thursday 3/2
9:00 ESPN IO/Wisc Peter Jok (14)/Nigel Hayes (10), Ethan Hopp (22)
9:00 ESPNU Memphis Dedric Lawson (1)
11:00 ESPNU Cal/Utah Ivan Rabb (1)/ Kyle Kuzma (35)
I watched most of the Wisc./Iowa game and didn't come away impressed by any of those 3. Jok maybe has a future as a 3 and D guy, athletic and shoots 92% on FTs, but he sure didn't look good last night.
Happ (not Hopp) is an end-of-the-second big to me. He's more likely to have a solid career in Europe than the US, in my opinion, but he could carve out a reserve career in the NBA. Good passer, good post game, good footwork for positioning on rebounds. But he's not center-sized, and he's probably not quick enough to guard the modern NBA stretch four. He'd probably need to show his fundamentals are good enough to overcome his lack of size, and let him play as a backup 5 in the NBA. I don't think he can manage the four.
I've never like Peter Jok's game. Don't know why. He's also second-round material, as is Nigel Hayes, who's surprisingly shown an inability to handle a larger load the last two seasons. I thought he'd be a real good NBA player a couple of years ago -- now, he' just another guy to take a flyer on.
Of the three, I think Hayes is the most likely to get drafted. I don't really think any will be in the NBA five years from now.
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UPDATE: Saturday 3/4
12pm CBS KY/A&M Fox(0), Bam (3), Monk (5)/Robt Wms (44)
1:00 ESPN Ind Bryant (31)
1:00 ESPNews KSt Iwundu (25)
2:00 ESPN2 GA Yante Maten (1)
2:00 ESPN FLA/Vandy Robinson (1)/Kornet (3)
2:00 BTN MSU/Md Bridges (22)/Trimble (2)
2:00 CBS ND/LOU Beacham(3), Bonzie(35)/Mitchell (45)
2:00 PAC12 CAL Rabb (1)
4:00 ESPN BAY/Tex Motley (5)/Allen (31)
4:00 ACCN GT/Syr Lammers (44)/Lydon (20)
4:00 ACCN CLEM Blossomgame (5)
4:00 PAC12 Utah Kuzma (35)
4:00 CBS AZ Markkanen(10), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier (35)
4:00 ESPN2 Memphis Dedric Lawson (1)
4:30 ACCN Wake John Collins (20)
6:00 ESPN2 Oregon Boucher (25), Bell (1), Brooks (24), Dorsey (5)
6:00 ESPN Kansas/OKSt JJackson (11), Mikhailiuk (10),Mason (0)/Evans (1)
6:30 PAC12 WASH Fultz (20)??????????????unlikely
8:00 ESPN3 Nev Cam Oliver (0)
8:15 ESPN Duke/UNC Tatum (0), Giles (1), Allen (3), Kennard (5), Bolden (20)/Justin Jackson (44), Isaiah Hicks (4)........Tobacco Road, Baby!!!!
8:30 SECN SC Thornwell(0), Dozier (15)
10PM CBSSN SDSt Pope (21)
10:30 ESPN UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22)
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Quite a lineup. I've got the flu, so I might be doing some prospect watch bingeing.
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What are the numbers in parentheses?
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What are the numbers in parentheses?
Jersey numbers.....announcers aren't always on top of things
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Now Grayson Allen has added elbows to the face/head to his tripping, dirty tricks.
Boy this Duke team is tough to root for. Like Kennard, but UNC is giving Duke all they can handle.
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Now Grayson Allen has added elbows to the face/head to his tripping, dirty tricks.
Boy this Duke team is tough to root for. Like Kennard, but UNC is giving Duke all they can handle.
Did you see last game when one of Allen's tripping victim's got revenge and Tripped Allen back? Classic!
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Now Grayson Allen has added elbows to the face/head to his tripping, dirty tricks.
Boy this Duke team is tough to root for. Like Kennard, but UNC is giving Duke all they can handle.
Did you see last game when one of Allen's tripping victim's got revenge and Tripped Allen back? Classic!
TP....makes me feel better.… What goes around should come around!
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UPDATE: Sunday 3/5
only a few games today.
1:00 BTN Iowa::::::::::::::::::::::::Peter Jok (14)
4:30 CBS Purdue:::::::::::::::::::::Caleb Swanigan (50)
8:00 BTN Michigan::::::::::::::::::::Moritz Wagner (13)
For most teams, regular season ends today (or yesterday).
This week Conference Championship Tournaments start (tomorrow, I think.)
Then a week from today:Selection Sunday.
Then this:
Round Site Date(s)
Selection Sunday N/A March 12
First Four Dayton March 14-15
First/Second Buffalo March 16&18
First/Second Milw March 16&18
First/Second Orlando March 16&18
First/Second S L City March 16&18
First/Second Grville March 17&19
First/Second Ind March 17&19
First/Second Tulsa March 17&19
First/Second Sac March 17&19
Midwest Regional K C March 23&25
West Regional San Jose March 23&25
South Regional Memphis March 24&26
East Regional New York March 24&26
Final Four Phoenix April 1&3
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A few observations from watching yesterday's games:
Jarrett Allen continues to impress, to me he ought to be in the top 10 discussion. Long, athletic, good touch around the basket and at least a mid range face up game. He's a project for sure, but lots of upside. Reminds me of WCS, with more offensive polish.
Motley from Baylor is solid, but doesn't have Allen's upside. Certainly looks the part of a rotation player in the NBA, ought to be a mid to late first rounder.
Jackson looked awesome again. The way he flies around the court (with the greatest of ease) combined with his length just really makes him stand out as an athlete, and he has excellent court vision and a sense of the game. The shot is at least average. To me, if you think the shot will improve, he's the number one pick.
Frank Mason really ought to be in the conversation as an early 2nd/late first pick. What more does the guy have to do?
Tatum had an up and down game against Carolina. Created a number of good looks for himself, but failed to convert on a number of them. Shot well from 3. Not nearly the fluid athlete that Jackson is, but he can elevate.
Kennard continues to impress. He reminds me of a poor man's Harden, similar size, got that same herky jerky crafty lefty thing going on.
All of this submitted with the caveat that I'm frequently wrong.
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A few observations from watching yesterday's games:
Jarrett Allen continues to impress, to me he ought to be in the top 10 discussion. Long, athletic, good touch around the basket and at least a mid range face up game. He's a project for sure, but lots of upside. Reminds me of WCS, with more offensive polish.
Motley from Baylor is solid, but doesn't have Allen's upside. Certainly looks the part of a rotation player in the NBA, ought to be a mid to late first rounder.
Jackson looked awesome again. The way he flies around the court (with the greatest of ease) combined with his length just really makes him stand out as an athlete, and he has excellent court vision and a sense of the game. The shot is at least average. To me, if you think the shot will improve, he's the number one pick.
Frank Mason really ought to be in the conversation as an early 2nd/late first pick. What more does the guy have to do?
Tatum had an up and down game against Carolina. Created a number of good looks for himself, but failed to convert on a number of them. Shot well from 3. Not nearly the fluid athlete that Jackson is, but he can elevate.
Kennard continues to impress. He reminds me of a poor man's Harden, similar size, got that same herky jerky crafty lefty thing going on.
All of this submitted with the caveat that I'm frequently wrong.
TP, dawg....good summary/analysis. Kennard has consistently been the best player on the floor for Duke all season. Mason has carried Kansas in scoring in many games too.
The ND/Lou game had good performances by Donovan Mitchell (he's going to rise) and Beacham (17/8 with 2 blks) and Bonzie Colson. Colson is a local (New Bedford) guy that I started including because of his flashes. He's undersized for a PF, BUT draws fouls, can shoot 3s and craves out space real well. He had 20/5 with 1 steal yesterday.
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Isaac box scores seem to have declined last couple of weeks. Anyone who follows him know what the story is?
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Now Grayson Allen has added elbows to the face/head to his tripping, dirty tricks.
Boy this Duke team is tough to root for. Like Kennard, but UNC is giving Duke all they can handle.
Did you see last game when one of Allen's tripping victim's got revenge and Tripped Allen back? Classic!
TP....makes me feel better.… What goes around should come around!
Right back at you C's fan.
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A few observations from watching yesterday's games:
Jarrett Allen continues to impress, to me he ought to be in the top 10 discussion. Long, athletic, good touch around the basket and at least a mid range face up game. He's a project for sure, but lots of upside. Reminds me of WCS, with more offensive polish.
Motley from Baylor is solid, but doesn't have Allen's upside. Certainly looks the part of a rotation player in the NBA, ought to be a mid to late first rounder.
Jackson looked awesome again. The way he flies around the court (with the greatest of ease) combined with his length just really makes him stand out as an athlete, and he has excellent court vision and a sense of the game. The shot is at least average. To me, if you think the shot will improve, he's the number one pick.
Frank Mason really ought to be in the conversation as an early 2nd/late first pick. What more does the guy have to do?
Tatum had an up and down game against Carolina. Created a number of good looks for himself, but failed to convert on a number of them. Shot well from 3. Not nearly the fluid athlete that Jackson is, but he can elevate.
Kennard continues to impress. He reminds me of a poor man's Harden, similar size, got that same herky jerky crafty lefty thing going on.
All of this submitted with the caveat that I'm frequently wrong.
TP, dawg....good summary/analysis. Kennard has consistently been the best player on the floor for Duke all season. Mason has carried Kansas in scoring in many games too.
The ND/Lou game had good performance by Donovan Mitchell (he's going to rise) and Beacham (17/8 with 2 blks) and Bonzie Colson. Colson is a local (New Bedford) guy that I started including because of his flashes. He's undersized for a PF, BUT draws fouls, can shoot 3s and craves out space real well. He had 20/5 with 1 steal yesterday.
Thanks. Colson is an interesting one, certainly isn't going to wow you with his athleticism or size, but manages impact the game in many ways. Diaw is a good comparison I think. A guy who has been both really good and really bad over the years, depending on what system he's in.
Beachem I like as a 2nd round 3 and D guy, he certainly ticks all the boxes for me. Mitchell impresses me less, seems a little undersized for the 2, and more of a volume scorer than an efficient guy. Looks like he doesn't have a lot of length either.
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Isaac box scores seem to have declined last couple of weeks. Anyone who follows him know what the story is?
He's just not that good. At least not yet.
I'm my mind it's.
Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Then everyone else.
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Isaac box scores seem to have declined last couple of weeks. Anyone who follows him know what the story is?
He's just not that good. At least not yet.
I'm my mind it's.
Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Then everyone else.
He has problems similar to Ingram, he isn't playing as aggressive as he should be
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Isaac box scores seem to have declined last couple of weeks. Anyone who follows him know what the story is?
He's just not that good. At least not yet.
I'm my mind it's.
Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Then everyone else.
He has problems similar to Ingram, he isn't playing as aggressive as he should be
Ingram didn't have that problem at Duke.
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UPDATE: Monday 3/6
9:00 ESPN Gonzaga Zach Collins (32), Nigel Wms-Goss (5)
Tomorrow, Tuesday, the ACC Tourney Starts at noon at the Barclays Center.
Wednesday, the other big conference tourneys start!!!
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Isaac box scores seem to have declined last couple of weeks. Anyone who follows him know what the story is?
Yeah- I'm not sure that I'm interested in a poor man's Ingram.
He's just not that good. At least not yet.
I'm my mind it's.
Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Then everyone else.
He has problems similar to Ingram, he isn't playing as aggressive as he should be
Ingram didn't have that problem at Duke.
Yeah, I'm not interested in a poor mans Ingram.
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UPDATE: Tuesday 3/7
These games are at the ACC Tourney at The Barclays Center in BK.
Today may be the last time to see DSJ and some of these other prospects play.
12:00 ESPN2 NCSt/Clem DSJ (4),Yurtseven(14)/Blossomgame (5)
2:00 ESPN2 Wake John Collins (20)
7:00 ESPNU GTECH Ben Lammers (44)
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Danny in Brooklyn watching ACC Tourney.
DSJ looked horrible. Bad stat line too in 35+ minutes: 7/3/8. I've watched him play in 5-6 games this year, and every time I've watched him?????...I really don't get the hype.
Blossomgame had 22 after a slow start and looked decent. (Old, I know)
John Collins looks like a man out there and put up some pretty good numbers: 19/11/1/1/1.
Wonder if Danny staying to see GT and Lammers?
Anybody going to watch?
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I don't know if he's NBA material, but if you like old school big guys Karnowski is a pleasure to watch.
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I don't know if he's NBA material, but if you like old school big guys Karnowski is a pleasure to watch.
I agree. He is fun to watch.
He is one man-mountain big, scary dude. 15/10/2/2/4 yesterday.
Didn't move as bad as a 300 pounder normally would.
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Dennis Smith having an absolute dud of a potential final college game. 2 points (1-7 FG), 4 turnovers. Getting lit up by Shelton Mitchell.
Ouch.
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I don't know if he's NBA material, but if you like old school big guys Karnowski is a pleasure to watch.
I agree. He is fun to watch.
He is one man-mountain big, scary dude. 15/10/2/2/4 yesterday.
Didn't move as bad as a 300 pounder normally would.
Yeah, he's not fast, but he does get up and down the court, had one nice finish on the break, and doesn't appear that he's really winded. Showed a nice touch out to the free throw line and he's a good passer. He'd be worth a 2nd round pick, D League contract I think.
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Isaac box scores seem to have declined last couple of weeks. Anyone who follows him know what the story is?
Yeah- I'm not sure that I'm interested in a poor man's Ingram.
He's just not that good. At least not yet.
I'm my mind it's.
Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Then everyone else.
He has problems similar to Ingram, he isn't playing as aggressive as he should be
Ingram didn't have that problem at Duke.
Yeah, I'm not interested in a poor mans Ingram.
I'm very much interested in a poor man's Giannis. Isaac was /been banged up and facing tough defenses. In the beginning of the year he wasn't consider a guy to target. After a few games that turned, so that along with an injury slowed him down. He is still a top 10 pick.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 3/8
Players to watch:
12:00 ESPN Syracuse Tyler Lydon (20)
2:00 ESPN Clem/DUKE Blossomgame(5)/Tatum (0), Giles (1), Allen (3), Kennard (5), Bolden (20)
5:30 PAC12 California Rabb (1)
7:00 FS1 Georgetown Peak (0), Pryor (23), Govan (15)
7:00 ESPN2 Wake Forest John Collins (20)
9:00 ESPNU Texas Jarrett Allen (31), Andrew Jones (1)
11:00 PAC12 Washington Fultz.....looks like he's played his last game http://www.kitsapsun.com/story/sports/college/2017/03/08/fultz-wont-play-uw-pac-12-opener/98888496/
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Tatum looks darn good in the first half of this game. I'm thrilled that he's basically the worst case scenario with Fultz, Ball, and Jackson ahead of him. Our future is bright.
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Tatum looks darn good in the first half of this game. I'm thrilled that he's basically the worst case scenario with Fultz, Ball, and Jackson ahead of him. Our future is bright.
He looks even better in the second half. And yeah, I really like that Tatum is our pick's floor.
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Tatum looks darn good in the first half of this game. I'm thrilled that he's basically the worst case scenario with Fultz, Ball, and Jackson ahead of him. Our future is bright.
He looks even better in the second half. And yeah, I really like that Tatum is our pick's floor.
Im fine with them taking Tatum. I think he would be a great fit for a team looking for someone who can create a shot. Someone that can switch on defense and in need of size on the wing.
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Tatum looks darn good in the first half of this game. I'm thrilled that he's basically the worst case scenario with Fultz, Ball, and Jackson ahead of him. Our future is bright.
He looks even better in the second half. And yeah, I really like that Tatum is our pick's floor.
This is exciting. One of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.....wow.
20 games to watch tomorrow.
Wish we had another later first. Still, so much talent including internationals, that Danny's second round drafting prowess could get us some talent there too.
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Tatum looks darn good in the first half of this game. I'm thrilled that he's basically the worst case scenario with Fultz, Ball, and Jackson ahead of him. Our future is bright.
He looks even better in the second half. And yeah, I really like that Tatum is our pick's floor.
This is exciting. One of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.....wow.
20 games to watch tomorrow.
Wish we had another later first. Still, so much talent including internationals, that Danny's second round drafting prowess could get us some talent there too.
Lots of intriguing big men mocked in the middle of the first: Allen, Patton, Hartenstein, Williams, Rabb.
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Tatum looks darn good in the first half of this game. I'm thrilled that he's basically the worst case scenario with Fultz, Ball, and Jackson ahead of him. Our future is bright.
He looks even better in the second half. And yeah, I really like that Tatum is our pick's floor.
This is exciting. One of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum.....wow.
20 games to watch tomorrow.
Wish we had another later first. Still, so much talent including internationals, that Danny's second round drafting prowess could get us some talent there too.
Lots of intriguing big men mocked in the middle of the first: Allen, Patton, Hartenstein, Williams, Rabb.
Agree,.....plus,, Giles, Swanigan, Leaf, Bam and Collins.
LOT of big talent there.
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UPDATE: Thursday 3/9
12:00 BTN Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)
12:00 ESPN UNC Jackson(44), IHicks (4), Bradley (5)
12:00 FS1 'Nova Josh Hart (3)
12:30 ESPN2 OKSt/IOSt Jawun Evans(1)/Monte Morris (11)
1:00 SECN Georgia Yante Maten (1)
2:00 ESPN Louis/Duke Mitchell(45)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen (3), Kennard (5), Frank Jackson (15), Bolden (20)
2:25 BTN Mich St Miles Bridges (22)
2:30 ESPN2 Kansas Mason (0), Josh Jackson (11) OUT SUSPENDED, Mikhailiuk (10)
3:00 PAC12 Oregon Bell(1), Dorsey (5), Brooks (24), Boucher (25)
3:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
5:30 PAC12 Cal/Utah Rabb (1)/Kuzma (35)
6:30 ESPN2 Ind/IO Bryant (31)/Jok (14)
7:00 ESPNU Texas Jarrett Allen (31)/Andrew Jones (1)
7:00 SECN A&M/Vandy Robt Wms (44)/Luke Kornet (3)
7:00 ESPN Fla St Isaac (1), Bacon (4)
9:00 ESPNU KSt/Bay Wesley Iwundu (25)/ Motley (5)
9:00 ESPN ND VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie Colson (35)
9:00 PAC12 Arizona Markkanen(10), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier (35)
9:30 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23)
11:30 ESPN UCLA Ball(2), Leaf (22), Ike Anigbogu (13)
11:30 CBSSN SDSt Malik Pope (21)
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Tatum led his team with 25 points on 9-15 shooting in a tough win. Josh Jackson was suspended and his team lost. Who do you want? I think it's a tough call, but I want Tatum. He reminds me so much of Pierce.
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Tatum led his team with 25 points on 9-15 shooting in a tough win. Josh Jackson was suspended and his team lost. Who do you want? I think it's a tough call, but I want Tatum. He reminds me so much of Pierce.
Tatum had a good game at the right time. Would've had 28 but that 3 got disallowed. He's got real skills already with room to grow both physically and head-wise.
Jacksons second incident within a month is a concern. Glad the KU administration gave him a slap and suspended him for a tournament (even though just a conference tourney) game. Not sure they would've done it next week in the field of 64. He's a great prospect though.
I'm thrilled,as I've said many times, to be getting one of Fulton, Ball, Jackson or Tatum.
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Tatum led his team with 25 points on 9-15 shooting in a tough win. Josh Jackson was suspended and his team lost. Who do you want? I think it's a tough call, but I want Tatum. He reminds me so much of Pierce.
Just one game for each of them.
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Harry Giles has fallen to 25 in the DraftExpress mock. He really needs to stay at Duke another year. My favorite big, Robert Williams, is up to #10 in their mock. Really hoping that Ainge does a draft day trade to get him.
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Harry Giles has fallen to 25 in the DraftExpress mock. He really needs to stay at Duke another year. My favorite big, Robert Williams, is up to #10 in their mock. Really hoping that Ainge does a draft day trade to get him.
Whiteside for a '17 pick swap, Rozier and Crowder and we take Williams at 14?
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Harry Giles has fallen to 25 in the DraftExpress mock. He really needs to stay at Duke another year. My favorite big, Robert Williams, is up to #10 in their mock. Really hoping that Ainge does a draft day trade to get him.
I like Williams too. A lot of bigs in the 10-30 range.. a lot (13).
Williams, Hartenstine, Bridges, Leaf, Patton, Jarrett Allen, Rabb, Giles, Swanigan, Bam, Motley, Lydon and my favorite Collins.
Love to get a shot at one.
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I haven't watched any tape at all on R. Williams, but his measurables look awesome. My question is, can he play PF or is he best as an undersized center? I know his length helps make up for it, but hey if he is a PF man is he enormous.
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UPDATE: Friday 3/10
12:00 ESPN Mich/Purdue Moritz Wagner (13)/Swanigan (50)
1:00 ESPN GA/KY Yante Maten(1)/Fox(0), Bam(3), Monk(5)
2:00 ESPN2 Memphis Dedric Lawson (1)
2:00 ESPN MichSt Miles Bridges (22)
3:00 SECN SCarolina Thornwell (0), PJ Dozier (15)
6:30 BTN Ind/Wisc Bryant(31)/Nigel Hayes (10)
6:30 FS1 "Nova Josh Hart (3)
7:00 SECN FLA/Vandy Devon Robinson(1)/Luke Kornet (3)
7:00 ESPN Duke/UNC Tatum(0), Giles(1),Allen(3), Kennard(5), FJackson(15)/Justin Jackson(44), Isaiah Hicks (4), Bradley (5)
7:00 ESPN2 Iowa State Monte Morris (11)
8:55 BTN MD Melo Trimble (2)
9:00 ESPN2 KSt Wesley Iwundu (25)
9:00 ESPN ND/FSU Beacham(3), Colson (35)/Isaac (1), Bacon (4)
9:00 FS1 Creighton Justin Patton (23)
10:00 CBSSN Nevada Cam Oliver (0)
11:00 ESPN UCLA/AZ Ball (2), Leaf (22)/Markkanen(10), Alkins(1), Simmons(2),Trier(35)
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I haven't watched any tape at all on R. Williams, but his measurables look awesome. My question is, can he play PF or is he best as an undersized center? I know his length helps make up for it, but hey if he is a PF man is he enormous.
He mostly play PF at Texas A&M. He's a raw prospect who is more advanced defensively. I think he compares favorably to Noel. Much better rebounder, 20lbs heavier/stronger, more blocks not as many steals, moves/runs pretty well but not as good as Noel. With his movement, leaping and length, he closes out well on 3pt shooters.
Here are his highlights from the Kentucky game. He's pretty good mid-range but he's not a 3pt shooter even though he makes one at the end. He's got a decent back to the basket post game. Willing but not always good passer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EmF8YCBGM4
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Anyone see Duke-Carolina yesterday? I'm curious how Giles looked, from the box he had a nice contribution, 6 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks. Would be great if he had a nice late season run and got himself back in the lottery mix.
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Anyone see Duke-Carolina yesterday? I'm curious how Giles looked, from the box he had a nice contribution, 6 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks. Would be great if he had a nice late season run and got himself back in the lottery mix.
The best that I've seen him look all year. He had a great tip-in in the first half and this great flash hope for the future in the second:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB08FiJXJXg
He was actually running the floor and mixing it up a little inside.
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UPDATE Saturday 3/11
1:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
1:00 CBSSN URI E.C. Matthews (0)
1:00 CBS Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)
3:00 ESPN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
3:30 CBS Wisconsin Nigel Hayes (10)
5:30 FOX Creighton/"Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
6:00 ESPN Iowa State Deonte Burton (30), Monte Morris (11)
9:00 ESPN ND/Duke Beacham(3), Colson(35)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen (3),
Kennard (5), FJackson (15), Bolden (20)
11:00 ESPN AZ/ORE Markkanen(1), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier(35)/Boucher(25), Bell (1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5)
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Anyone see Duke-Carolina yesterday? I'm curious how Giles looked, from the box he had a nice contribution, 6 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks. Would be great if he had a nice late season run and got himself back in the lottery mix.
The best that I've seen him look all year. He had a great tip-in in the first half and this great flash hope for the future in the second:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB08FiJXJXg
He was actually running the floor and mixing it up a little inside.
Starting to get his confidence back. Someone is going to steal him if he stays in the draft.
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UPDATE Saturday 3/11
1:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
1:00 CBSSN URI E.C. Matthews (0)
1:00 CBS Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)
3:00 ESPN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
3:30 CBS Wisconsin Nigel Hayes (10)
5:30 FOX Creighton/"Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
6:00 ESPN Iowa State Deonte Burton (30), Monte Morris (11)
9:00 ESPN ND/Duke Beacham(3), Colson(35)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen (3),
Kennard (5), FJackson (15), Bolden (20)
11:00 ESPN AZ/ORE Markkanen(1), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier(35)/Boucher(25), Bell (1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5)
Thanks, CSFS60's. Seems like Tatum is really locking in as a top 4 pick in the draft. He has flown by Isaac. Would be a decent "consolation prize" if we land at 4.
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Seems like Tatum is really locking in as a top 4 pick in the draft. He has flown by Isaac. Would be a decent "consolation prize" if we land at 4.
I know I keep repeating this over and over like a little kid, but to be guaranteed one of Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum?........... man, we are blessed.
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UPDATE Saturday 3/11
1:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
1:00 CBSSN URI E.C. Matthews (0)
1:00 CBS Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)
3:00 ESPN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
3:30 CBS Wisconsin Nigel Hayes (10)
5:30 FOX Creighton/"Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
6:00 ESPN Iowa State Deonte Burton (30), Monte Morris (11)
9:00 ESPN ND/Duke Beacham(3), Colson(35)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen (3),
Kennard (5), FJackson (15), Bolden (20)
11:00 ESPN AZ/ORE Markkanen(1), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier(35)/Boucher(25), Bell (1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5)
Thanks, CSFS60's. Seems like Tatum is really locking in as a top 4 pick in the draft. He has flown by Isaac. Would be a decent "consolation prize" if we land at 4.
We cant be sure that he will be there at 4. I saw a report that some GM's have him at 1. Im not saying I have him at 1 but I have him at 2. A wing is more valuable than a PG especially one that projects to have trouble scoring like Ball. All Im saying is that its not a lock that he is sitting there at 4.
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UPDATE Saturday 3/11
1:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
1:00 CBSSN URI E.C. Matthews (0)
1:00 CBS Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)
3:00 ESPN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
3:30 CBS Wisconsin Nigel Hayes (10)
5:30 FOX Creighton/"Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
6:00 ESPN Iowa State Deonte Burton (30), Monte Morris (11)
9:00 ESPN ND/Duke Beacham(3), Colson(35)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen (3),
Kennard (5), FJackson (15), Bolden (20)
11:00 ESPN AZ/ORE Markkanen(1), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier(35)/Boucher(25), Bell (1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5)
Thanks, CSFS60's. Seems like Tatum is really locking in as a top 4 pick in the draft. He has flown by Isaac. Would be a decent "consolation prize" if we land at 4.
We cant be sure that he will be there at 4. I saw a report that some GM's have him at 1. Im not saying I have him at 1 but I have him at 2. A wing is more valuable than a PG especially one that projects to have trouble scoring like Ball. All Im saying is that its not a lock that he is sitting there at 4.
Interesting but my point is that any of the top 4 is going to be a strong addition. My fav is Jackson.
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Markkanen dropped 29pts against UCLA. I remember watching games live when his dad blocked shots in the 90´s here (he was really good). It´s almost uneblievable that we finally have a prospect like Lauri from the tiny nation of ours.
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UPDATE Saturday 3/11
1:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
1:00 CBSSN URI E.C. Matthews (0)
1:00 CBS Michigan Moritz Wagner (13)
3:00 ESPN Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
3:30 CBS Wisconsin Nigel Hayes (10)
5:30 FOX Creighton/"Nova Justin Patton (23)/Josh Hart (3)
6:00 ESPN Iowa State Deonte Burton (30), Monte Morris (11)
9:00 ESPN ND/Duke Beacham(3), Colson(35)/Tatum(0), Giles (1), Allen (3),
Kennard (5), FJackson (15), Bolden (20)
11:00 ESPN AZ/ORE Markkanen(1), Alkins (1), Simmons (2), Trier(35)/Boucher(25), Bell (1), Brooks(24), Dorsey (5)
Thanks, CSFS60's. Seems like Tatum is really locking in as a top 4 pick in the draft. He has flown by Isaac. Would be a decent "consolation prize" if we land at 4.
We cant be sure that he will be there at 4. I saw a report that some GM's have him at 1. Im not saying I have him at 1 but I have him at 2. A wing is more valuable than a PG especially one that projects to have trouble scoring like Ball. All Im saying is that its not a lock that he is sitting there at 4.
Interesting but my point is that any of the top 4 is going to be a strong addition. My fav is Jackson.
I agree for the most part. I like Jackson alot but he presents challenges with his current shooting. I will say that when you put the best players on the floor he is usually top 3 which means alot to me. Adding Ball Im not as certain. But I agree in general though.
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Anybody watching Iowa State vs WVA?
Boy can Monte Morris and Deonte Burton play.
This team will make some noise in the Big Dance.
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Bonzie Colson so far the best player on the floor against Duke in ACC Championship game halfway through the second half.
The New Bedford guy is ballin'.
EDIT: I jinxed him. Sprained his ankle with 8 min to go.....came back in after a few possessions after walking it off in the tunnel, but did nothing after that.
Tatum.....wow.
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UPDATE: SELECTION SUNDAY 3/13
12:30 CBS URI E.C. Matthews (0)
1:00 ESPN Kentucky Fox (0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
3:00 CBS Mich/Wisc Moritz Wagner (13)/Nigel Hayes (10)
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REMINDER:
SELECTION SUNDAY COVERAGE
5:30 CBS
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TP for keeping track of this all year. Ill try to fire some more your way later.
This thread has been super helpful and allowed me to catch more college basketball than I usually do.
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TP for keeping track of this all year. Ill try to fire some more your way later.
This thread has been super helpful and allowed me to catch more college basketball than I usually do.
Totally agree.
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TP for keeping track of this all year. Ill try to fire some more your way later.
This thread has been super helpful and allowed me to catch more college basketball than I usually do.
Totally agree.
Agreed..Nice job C's fan Tp.
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Anybody watching Iowa State vs WVA?
Boy can Monte Morris and Deonte Burton play.
This team will make some noise in the Big Dance.
As an Iowa State Alum, this makes me very happy.
so did this:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/iowa-state-cyclones-deonte-burton-alley-oop-poster-dunk-big-12-championship-highlight-video (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/iowa-state-cyclones-deonte-burton-alley-oop-poster-dunk-big-12-championship-highlight-video)
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TP for keeping track of this all year. Ill try to fire some more your way later.
This thread has been super helpful and allowed me to catch more college basketball than I usually do.
Totally agree.
Agreed..Nice job C's fan Tp.
Thanks guys....and TPs to footey, KGL and Ilike for the kind words.
It has been fun and instructive for me personally about the depth of this draft class and college hoops in general, so I've really enjoyed doing it. Shout-out to tazzmaniac for filling in the few days that I couldn't do it.
Hard to believe that Nov 15th was when we started this. 4 months goes by fast, but it truly has been a labor of love, and I'd be lying if I said that it doesn't make me feel like I have given back to Csblog for all the hours of enjoyment that Csblog and posters like you guys have given me. Psyched that the thread has gotten over 25,000 views and counting.
I'll keep doing it till Championship Monday and do it again next year.
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Anybody watching Iowa State vs WVA?
Boy can Monte Morris and Deonte Burton play.
This team will make some noise in the Big Dance.
As an Iowa State Alum, this makes me very happy.
so did this:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/iowa-state-cyclones-deonte-burton-alley-oop-poster-dunk-big-12-championship-highlight-video (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/iowa-state-cyclones-deonte-burton-alley-oop-poster-dunk-big-12-championship-highlight-video)
Burton is a force of nature. Cyclone is an apt name for him. great clip.
Monte Morris is going to make a good pro. Rock steady with an assist to turnover ratio off almost 6 to 1.....staggering
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My favorite thread on the blog.
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My favorite thread on the blog.
TP, chili....thanks!
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LATE UPDATE: Tuesday, 3/14
This one snuck up on me. Better late than never.
9:00 truTV Kansas St/Wake Forest Wesley Iwundu(25)/John Collins (20)
EDIT: guess I was mistakenly early...apologies
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Thank you csfansince60s!
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UPDATE: Tuesday 3/14
NCAA Tournament First Four Game for 11th seed
9:00 truTV Wake/KSt John Collins(20)/Wesley Iwundu (25)
NIT Opening Round
7:00 ESPNU Clemson Blossomgame (5)
9:00 ESPN GTech/Ind Ben Lammers (44)/Thomas Bryant (31)
10:00 ESPNU Utah Kuzma (35)
11:15 ESPN2 California Rabb (1)
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UPDATE: Tuesday 3/14
NCAA Tournament First Four Game for 11th seed
9:00 truTV Wake/KSt John Collins(20)/Wesley Iwundu (25)
NIT Opening Round
7:00 ESPNU Clemson Blossomgame (5)
9:00 ESPN GTech/Ind Ben Lammers (44)/Thomas Bryant (31)
10:00 ESPNU Utah Kuzma (35)
11:15 ESPN2 California Rabb (1)
Tomorrow will be the 2nd First 4 game with PC playing USC for the 11th seed.
Also, a bunch of NIT games.
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UPDATE: Wednesday 3/15
NIT Schedule
7:00 ESPN3 Georgia Yante Maten (1)
7:00 ESPN2 Syracuse Tyler Lydon (2)
9:00 ESPN2 Iowa Peter Jok (14)
Tomorrow: First round of NCAAs
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UPDATE: Thursday 3/16
NCAA TOURNAMENT FIRST ROUND
12:15 CBS Notre Dame VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie Colson (35)
2:00 TBS Gonzaga Nigel Wm_Goss(5), Zach Collins (32), Karnowski (24)
3:10 truTV Florida Devin Robinson (1)
4:30 TBS Vandy Luke Kornet (3)
6:50 TNT Maryland Melo Trimble (2)
7:10 CBS Villanaova Josh Hart (3), Jalen Brunson (1)
7:27 truTV Purdue Caleb Swanigan (50)
9:20 TNT Florida State Isaac(1), Bacon (4)
9:40 CBS Wisconsin Nigel Hayes (10)
9:50 TBS Arizona Markkanen (10), Trier (35), Alkins (1), Simmons (2)
9:57 truTV Nevada/IOSt Cam Oliver (0)/Monte Morris (11)/Deonte Burton (30)
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UPDATE: Friday, March 17th
NCAA Tournament First Round/2nd Day
12:15 CBS OKSt/Mich Jawun Evans(1), Moritz Wagner (13)
12:40 truTV Baylor Motley (5)
2:00 TBS Oregon Bell(1), Dorsey (5), Brooks (24)
2:45 CBS Louisville Donovan Mitchell (45)
4:00 TNT UNC Justin Jackson(44), I Hicks (4), Tony Bradley (5)
4:30 TBS URI/Creighton EC Matthews(0), Justin Patton (23)
6:50 TNT Kansas Josh jackson (11), Mason (0), Mikhailiuk (10)
7;20 TBS Duke Tatum(0), Giles(1), Allen(3), Kennard (5), FJackson(15), Bolden (20)
7:27 truTV KSt Wesley Iwindu (25)
9:20 TNT MichSt Miles Bridges (22)
9:40 CBS Kentucky Fox(0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
9:50 TBS SCarolina Thornwell(0), PJ Dozier(15)
9:17 truTV UCLA Ball (2), Leaf (22), Ike Anigbogu (13)
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I'd add DJ Wilson to the Michigan-OK State list. Of the Michigan stretch bigs, I think he's the one more likely to leave school this year as opposed to Wagner.
Also, he's not listed on most mock draft lists, but Derrick Walton Jr. of Michigan is totally an Ainge/Stevens PG. Good from the 3 and FT line, plus rebounder for the position, and a total gamer. He's the type of player they might select with one of their 2nds in the 50s and give a Two-way contract to. If Michigan has a deep run in the tourney, it will be due to him, and his name will start popping up more. He dealt with recurring ankle injuries his sophomore and junior years, which held him back, but this year he's been healthy all season and is playing terrifically. Caleb Swanigan was player of the year, but Walton is tops in the conference in many of the advanced stats -- offensive rating, offensive box plus-minus, win shares.
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I'd add DJ Wilson to the Michigan-OK State list. Of the Michigan stretch bigs, I think he's the one more likely to leave school this year as opposed to Wagner.
Also, he's not listed on most mock draft lists, but Derrick Walton Jr. of Michigan is totally an Ainge/Stevens PG. Good from the 3 and FT line, plus rebounder for the position, and a total gamer. He's the type of player they might select with one of their 2nds in the 50s and give a Two-way contract to. If Michigan has a deep run in the tourney, it will be due to him, and his name will start popping up more. He dealt with recurring ankle injuries his sophomore and junior years, which held him back, but this year he's been healthy all season and is playing terrifically. Caleb Swanigan was player of the year, but Walton is tops in the conference in many of the advanced stats -- offensive rating, offensive box plus-minus, win shares.
Good digging, can't say I can speak much to good second rounders this year, been too caught up in the top of the draft and those 4-6 guys. I feel like Alonzo Trier could be a solid pro, but not fully sold, and not sure he drops to round 2 either.
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I'd add DJ Wilson to the Michigan-OK State list. Of the Michigan stretch bigs, I think he's the one more likely to leave school this year as opposed to Wagner.
Also, he's not listed on most mock draft lists, but Derrick Walton Jr. of Michigan is totally an Ainge/Stevens PG. Good from the 3 and FT line, plus rebounder for the position, and a total gamer. He's the type of player they might select with one of their 2nds in the 50s and give a Two-way contract to. If Michigan has a deep run in the tourney, it will be due to him, and his name will start popping up more. He dealt with recurring ankle injuries his sophomore and junior years, which held him back, but this year he's been healthy all season and is playing terrifically. Caleb Swanigan was player of the year, but Walton is tops in the conference in many of the advanced stats -- offensive rating, offensive box plus-minus, win shares.
DJ Wilson finished with 19 points on 6-12, along with 5 boards and 4 blocks.
Derrick Walton Jr. had 26 on 7-13 (including 6-9 from 3), 11 assists, 5 boards, 2 steals, 1 block and 2 charges drawn.
Both proved me right today. If you didn't watch the game, find the replay. It was definitely the best-played game of the tournament so far.
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UPDATE: Saturday, March 18th
NCAA Tournament; 2nd Round
12:10 CBS Notre Dame VJ Beacham (3), Bonzie Colson (35)
2:40 CBS Villanova/Wisc Josh Hart (3), Jalen Brunson (1)/Nigel Hayes (10)
5:15 CBS Gonzaga Nigel Wms-Goss(5),Zach Collins(32),Karnowski(24)
6:10 TNT Florida State Jonathan Isaac (1), Dwayne Bacon (4)
7:45 CBS Arizona Markkanen(10), Trier (35), Alkins(1), Simmons (2)
8:40 TNT Florida Devin Robinson (1)
9:40 TBS IowaSt/Pur Monte Morris(11), Deonte Burton(30)/Swanigan (50)
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UPDATE: Sunday, March 19th
NCAA Tournament: 2nd Round
12:10 CBS Michigan/Louis Wagner (13), Wilson(5), Walton(10)/Mitchell (45)
2:40 CBS Kentucky Fox(0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
5:15 CBS Mich St/Kansas Bridges (22)/Jackson(11), Mason (0), Mikhailiuk (10)
6:10 TNT UNC Jackson(44), IHicks (4), Tony Bradley (15)
7:10 TBS URI/Ore EC Matthews(0)/Bell(1), Dorsey (5), Brooks (24)
7:45 truTV Baylor Motley (5)
8:40 TNT SC/Duke Thornwell(0), PJ Dozier(15)/Tatum(0),Giles(1), Allen(3), Kennard (5), FJackson(15), Bolden(20)
9:40 TBS UCLA Ball(2), Leaf (22), Ike Anigbogu (13)
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I watched some of the Arizona game last night and I have to say I was not impressed at all with Markkanen.
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I watched some of the Arizona game last night and I have to say I was not impressed at all with Markkanen.
Why not? What were you expecting? 16pt 11reb 2blks is not bad at all. I've become more impressed with Markkanen as the season has progressed. He started off staying on the perimeter and just being a very good 3pt shooter. Now he's battling inside with bigs and starting to drive to the basket on occasion.
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I watched some of the Arizona game last night and I have to say I was not impressed at all with Markkanen.
Why not? What were you expecting? 16pt 11reb 2blks is not bad at all. I've become more impressed with Markkanen as the season has progressed. He started off staying on the perimeter and just being a very good 3pt shooter. Now he's battling inside with bigs and starting to drive to the basket on occasion.
Most people here (including me) think that Kelly is passive. This kid's picture is in the dictionary for passive.
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UPDATE: Sunday 3/19
NIT Tournament
12:00 ESPN Ga Tech Ben Lammers (44)
5:00 ESPN2 Iowa Peter Jok (14)
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I watched some of the Arizona game last night and I have to say I was not impressed at all with Markkanen.
Why not? What were you expecting? 16pt 11reb 2blks is not bad at all. I've become more impressed with Markkanen as the season has progressed. He started off staying on the perimeter and just being a very good 3pt shooter. Now he's battling inside with bigs and starting to drive to the basket on occasion.
Most people here (including me) think that Kelly is passive. This kid's picture is in the dictionary for passive.
I might have agreed with you at the beginning of the season but not anymore. Markkanen has been more active and has showed a more diversified game as the season progressed. I'd say Isaac is more passive than Markkanen.
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Sindarius Thornwell, first 7 of SC's11 points.
If SC has a chance vs Duke, it will be because of Thornwell.
Had 44/21 game vs'Bama this year.
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I watched some of the Arizona game last night and I have to say I was not impressed at all with Markkanen.
Why not? What were you expecting? 16pt 11reb 2blks is not bad at all. I've become more impressed with Markkanen as the season has progressed. He started off staying on the perimeter and just being a very good 3pt shooter. Now he's battling inside with bigs and starting to drive to the basket on occasion.
Most people here (including me) think that Kelly is passive. This kid's picture is in the dictionary for passive.
Markkanen looks slow footed to me and I think he'll end up as an off the bench shooter on a good team.
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Sindarius Thornwell, first 7 of SC's11 points.
If SC has a chance vs Duke, it will be because of Thornwell.
Had 44/21 game vs'Bama this year.
Congrats to Thornwell and the Gamecocks for their victory over Duke and their first Sweet 16 ever.
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Ball and Jackson looking good.
Tatum had a disappointing game.
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Ball and Jackson looking good.
Tatum had a disappointing game.
I watched the UCLA game and Ball was Amazing! I don't know if he'll be able to defend his position in the NBA but with Smart and Bradley we'd probably be able to cover for that.
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Lonzo Ball just domimanting the second half against Cincinnati. What a talent. Best player in the Draft.
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Ball and Jackson looking good.
Tatum had a disappointing game.
I watched the UCLA game and Ball was Amazing! I don't know if he'll be able to defend his position in the NBA but with Smart and Bradley we'd probably be able to cover for that.
You just caused all the IT critics here some serious mental anguish.
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Ball and Jackson looking good.
Tatum had a disappointing game.
I watched the UCLA game and Ball was Amazing! I don't know if he'll be able to defend his position in the NBA but with Smart and Bradley we'd probably be able to cover for that.
You just caused all the IT critics here some serious mental anguish.
A Lonzo Ball IT backcourt would be so lethal offensively but so horrible defensively.
Fultz at least projects to be able to defend both the 1 and 2 making him a better fit long term with IT.
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We're on the same page with liking Jackson#1.👍
Hope we get him, but still psyched about getting one of Jackson, Ball, Fultz, Tatum.
Like to get a late first to get one of the numerous quality bigs.
I'd take a chance on Thomas Bryant if he's still there for our early second.
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Lonzo Ball just domimanting the second half against Cincinnati. What a talent. Best player in the Draft.
WINNER!
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Ball and Jackson looking good.
Tatum had a disappointing game.
I watched the UCLA game and Ball was Amazing! I don't know if he'll be able to defend his position in the NBA but with Smart and Bradley we'd probably be able to cover for that.
You just caused all the IT critics here some serious mental anguish.
A Lonzo Ball IT backcourt would be so lethal offensively but so horrible defensively.
Fultz at least projects to be able to defend both the 1 and 2 making him a better fit long term with IT.
Agreed on that backcourt, and would much prefer Fultz for his fit in a lot of areas. Whatever happens, it's nice to be drafting another top talent to go with Brown.
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Lonzo Ball just domimanting the second half against Cincinnati. What a talent. Best player in the Draft.
WINNER!
Plus one C's fan!
You know what the most important stat in basketball is? Winning.
Last year UCLA went 15 Wins and 17 losses.
With Ball leading the way. Right now they are at 30 wins and 4 losses. TJ leaf is nice but ball transformed the team.
Finally. Ball made The Little guy from UCLA's job 100% easier this year. Their PG Alford has had a ball playing with him this year.
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Lonzo Ball just domimanting the second half against Cincinnati. What a talent. Best player in the Draft.
WINNER!
Plus one C's fan!
You know what the most important stat in basketball is? Winning.
Last year UCLA went 15 Wins and 17 losses.
With Ball leading the way. Right now they are at 30 wins and 4 losses. TJ leaf is nice but ball transformed the team.
Finally. Ball made The Little guy from UCLA's job 100% easier this year. Their PG Alford has had a ball playing with him this year.
back atcha!
Ball/Jackson/Fultz/Tatum....wow!!!
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UPDATE: Tuesday March 21st
NIT Tournament
9:00 ESPN2 GA Tech Ben Lammers (44)
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Josh Jackson is easily my favorite player left in the tourney. He has made me a Kansas fan (not really, but I plan on catching the rest of their games.)
There is just something so engaging about seeing a player of his talent level making all of the little plays. His movement off the ball is amazing. It is like he is playing basketball even when he isn't involved in the play in any shape or form.
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UPDATE: Thursday, March 23rd
NCAA TOURNAMENT
7:09 CBS Mich/ORE 3Ws: Wagner(13), Wilson(5),Walton(10)/Bell(1), Dorsey(5),Brooks(5)
7:39 TBS Gonzaga Zach Collins (13), Nigel Wms-Goss (5), Karnowski (24)
9:39 CBS Purdue/Kansas Swanigan(50)/Josh Jackson(11), Mikhailiuk (10), MasonIII (0)
10:07 TBS Xavier/Arizona Trevon Bluiett (5)/ Markkanen(10),Trier(35), Alkins (1),Simmons (2)
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Frank MasonIII AND Devonte Graham 52 points for that backcourt! 😳
Mason, like Kennard at Duke, many times looked like the best player on the floor this year.
Kansas outscored Purdue something like 73-33 from later in the first half onward.
Juggernaut.
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UPDATE: Friday March 24th
NCAA TOURNAMENT
7:09 CBS UNC Justin Jackson(44), I Hicks(4), Tony Bradley (5)
7:29 TBS SC/Bayl Thornwell(0), PJ Dozier (15)/Motley (5)
9:39 CBS UCLA/KY Ball(2), Leaf (22), Anigbogu (13)/Fox(0), Bam(3), Monk (5)
9:59 TBS Wisc/FLA Hayes(10), Happ(22)/Devin Robinson(1) (like this kid A LOT)
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
UNC, SC, Kentucky, Wisconsin. Mostly I'm rooting for Kentucky to beat UCLA.
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
UNC, SC, Kentucky, Wisconsin. Mostly I'm rooting for Kentucky to beat UCLA.
Hard to disagree with you. Difficult to beat a real good team like KY twice in the same year. Plus hard to root for ANY LA team. ;D I get it.
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
UNC, SC, Kentucky, Wisconsin. Mostly I'm rooting for Kentucky to beat UCLA.
Hard to disagree with you. Difficult to beat a real good team like KY twice in the same year. Plus hard to root for ANY LA team. ;D I get it.
I want to see a UNC and Kentucky rematch. That was a great game.
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
UNC, SC, Kentucky, Wisconsin. Mostly I'm rooting for Kentucky to beat UCLA.
Hard to disagree with you. Difficult to beat a real good team like KY twice in the same year. Plus hard to root for ANY LA team. ;D I get it.
I want to see a UNC and Kentucky rematch. That was a great game.
Agre with both your reasons... Also I bet on Kansas to win it all before the tourney, just put a hedge bet on Kentucky today at +1000. If Kentucky gets hot I think they have the best chance to beat Kansas. We shall see. If UNC wins it all I will be peeved.
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balls defense and jumper looking more than suspect to me..
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Foxx. Has got handles like crazy and a IT like touch for shooting.
I'll take Foxx over Ball "thank you
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balls defense and jumper looking more than suspect to me..
cant speak to the jumper since he certainly can score. but his defense in the game tonight seems almost lazy.
but this is the first time i have seen him really so it's hard to generalize off of this for me.
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balls defense and jumper looking more than suspect to me..
cant speak to the jumper since he certainly can score. but his defense in the game tonight seems almost lazy.
but this is the first time i have seen him really so it's hard to generalize off of this for me.
Ball is not much on defense I agree. The NBA guys are gonna play 10 X more aggressive.......he is almost KO shy on defense .
Ball has great passing and court vision .......Foxx looks like the next Super star
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balls defense and jumper looking more than suspect to me..
cant speak to the jumper since he certainly can score. but his defense in the game tonight seems almost lazy.
but this is the first time i have seen him really so it's hard to generalize off of this for me.
Ball is not much on defense I agree. The NBA guys are gonna play 10 X more aggressive.......he is almost KO shy on defense .
Ball has great passing and court vision .......Foxx looks like the next Super star
Monk and Fox both badly out playing Ball.
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Fox just put himself in the top 3-4 conversation. Very impressive.
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I think we're seeing why ball is not the#1 pick. Great vision, but just isn't enough of a scorer. Jason Kidd still carved out a [dang] good career but the lack of offense matters.
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Ball was off tonight but still a helluva player. Still should go too 2-3.
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I think we're seeing why ball is not the#1 pick. Great vision, but just isn't enough of a scorer. Jason Kidd still carved out a [dang] good career but the lack of offense matters.
kid played great defense. i havent see that from ball yet.
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What a great game, great to see Lonzo Ball lose
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
UNC, SC, Kentucky, Wisconsin. Mostly I'm rooting for Kentucky to beat UCLA.
Hard to disagree with you. Difficult to beat a real good team like KY twice in the same year. Plus hard to root for ANY LA team. ;D I get it.
I want to see a UNC and Kentucky rematch. That was a great game.
Agre with both your reasons... Also I bet on Kansas to win it all before the tourney, just put a hedge bet on Kentucky today at +1000. If Kentucky gets hot I think they have the best chance to beat Kansas. We shall see. If UNC wins it all I will be peeved.
SEC! SEC! SEC! And get the UNC Kentucky rematch. Worked out perfectly.
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Predictions for tonight?
TP to whoever gets most right!!! (multiple winners allowed)
I got:
NC (too much talent/experience)
SC (underrated; Thornwell explodes)
UCLA (beat them at Lexington, will do it again, too deep)
Wisc (experience tops athleticism here)
Since I'm from SEC country, I'll go NC, SC, Kentucky and Florida.
UNC, SC, Kentucky, Wisconsin. Mostly I'm rooting for Kentucky to beat UCLA.
Hard to disagree with you. Difficult to beat a real good team like KY twice in the same year. Plus hard to root for ANY LA team. ;D I get it.
I want to see a UNC and Kentucky rematch. That was a great game.
Agre with both your reasons... Also I bet on Kansas to win it all before the tourney, just put a hedge bet on Kentucky today at +1000. If Kentucky gets hot I think they have the best chance to beat Kansas. We shall see. If UNC wins it all I will be peeved.
SEC! SEC! SEC! And get the UNC Kentucky rematch. Worked out perfectly.
TP....we have a winner!
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Everyone compares Ball to Kidd but against Kentucky today he looked like Rondo to me
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Everyone compares Ball to Kidd but against Kentucky today he looked like Rondo to me
Yup.....I saw some nice passes. Barely average Defense at best , low energy , he avoided contact , seemed to,avoid probing into the paint.
Worst , Ball seemed to shrink when the pressure got turned up.
He will be lucky to be taken 4 or 5 pick now .
Big mouth father go home
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Everyone compares Ball to Kidd but against Kentucky today he looked like Rondo to me
Yup.....I saw some nice passes. Barely average Defense at best , low energy , he avoided contact , seemed to,avoid probing into the paint.
Worst , Ball seemed to shrink when the pressure got turned up.
He will be lucky to be taken 4 or 5 pick now .
Big mouth father go home
I agree but I think it's unlikely lakers pass on him, wont fall past them, good riddance...unless of course we end up with him..and then HOF here we come
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Everyone compares Ball to Kidd but against Kentucky today he looked like Rondo to me
Yup.....I saw some nice passes. Barely average Defense at best , low energy , he avoided contact , seemed to,avoid probing into the paint.
Worst , Ball seemed to shrink when the pressure got turned up.
He will be lucky to be taken 4 or 5 pick now .
Big mouth father go home
It is amazing how people on here take a single performance and use it to define a player. Only a freshman, Ball came in and took control of a veteran team. Without him, UCLA probably would not have made the tournament. He's a team focused, pass oriented player. He can be effective with and without the ball. He certainly has areas to work on but so do all the other draftees.
This performance will mean little for his draft prospects. His body of work this season is impressive. He'll need to perform well in the workouts but I expect he'll still go top 3. If the Lakers keep their pick, I think he goes there. Then they can move Russell to SG where he should be. For us, I definitely prefer Fultz or Jackson.
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UPDATE: Saturday March 25th
ELITE 8: NCAA Men's Tournament
6:09 TBS Xavier/Zags Trevon Bluiett(5)/Z Collins(13), Wms-Goss(5),Karnowski(24)
8:49 TBS Ore/Kan Bell(1), Dorsey(5), Brooks(24)/Jackson(11),Mason III(0), Mikhailiuk(10)
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Everyone compares Ball to Kidd but against Kentucky today he looked like Rondo to me
Yup.....I saw some nice passes. Barely average Defense at best , low energy , he avoided contact , seemed to,avoid probing into the paint.
Worst , Ball seemed to shrink when the pressure got turned up.
He will be lucky to be taken 4 or 5 pick now .
Big mouth father go home
It is amazing how people on here take a single performance and use it to define a player. Only a freshman, Ball came in and took control of a veteran team. Without him, UCLA probably would not have made the tournament. He's a team focused, pass oriented player. He can be effective with and without the ball. He certainly has areas to work on but so do all the other draftees.
This performance will mean little for his draft prospects. His body of work this season is impressive. He'll need to perform well in the workouts but I expect he'll still go top 3. If the Lakers keep their pick, I think he goes there. Then they can move Russell to SG where he should be. For us, I definitely prefer Fultz or Jackson.
Yeah, I'm not overreacting to one game. Kids still a talent. My point is that he's nit the number 1 pick because he doesn't score. Saying he's no better than number 2 isn't exactly killing the guy.
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Everyone compares Ball to Kidd but against Kentucky today he looked like Rondo to me
Yup.....I saw some nice passes. Barely average Defense at best , low energy , he avoided contact , seemed to,avoid probing into the paint.
Worst , Ball seemed to shrink when the pressure got turned up.
He will be lucky to be taken 4 or 5 pick now .
Big mouth father go home
It is amazing how people on here take a single performance and use it to define a player. Only a freshman, Ball came in and took control of a veteran team. Without him, UCLA probably would not have made the tournament. He's a team focused, pass oriented player. He can be effective with and without the ball. He certainly has areas to work on but so do all the other draftees.
This performance will mean little for his draft prospects. His body of work this season is impressive. He'll need to perform well in the workouts but I expect he'll still go top 3. If the Lakers keep their pick, I think he goes there. Then they can move Russell to SG where he should be. For us, I definitely prefer Fultz or Jackson.
Yeah, I'm not overreacting to one game. Kids still a talent. My point is that he's nit the number 1 pick because he doesn't score. Saying he's no better than number 2 isn't exactly killing the guy.
I was responding to the comment above that he'd be lucky to go 4 or 5 now. For us, I'd take Fultz and Jackson ahead of Ball. The Lakers would probably take Ball first.
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Don't think I've see it mentioned but Robert Williams decided to return to Arkansas for his sophomore season. Really like him so hopefully it works out well for him but I think it is a bad idea to turn down lottery money. He should have at least declare and gone through the process and then withdrawn at the end.
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well, this might be our last chance to see jackson in a college game. at half time oregon has 44 to kansas' 33.
jackson has ZERO points. both ball and jackson seem to be rolling over. :P
UPDATE: now 52 to 37, oregon ahead still.
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this out of nowhere player Jordan Bell .... impressive
6'10 pf... good rebounder... energy player... pretty explosive/strong... decent passer and improved shooter
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oregon up by 12 with 8:21 left. jackson finally scoring. he is 2-6 and 0-1 from three point land. oh, and 0-2 with his FT. :o
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Kinda sucks that one of UNC / UK will be bounced after tomorrow, while Gonzaga has to beat one of Florida / S. Carolina to make the Finals.
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Jackson's defense is seriously impressive. I question how good he can be offensively, but he certainly has the tools and mentality to be a superb NBA defender.
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this out of nowhere player Jordan Bell .... impressive
6'10 pf... good rebounder... energy player... pretty explosive/strong... decent passer and improved shooter
Been including Bell along with Brooks and Dorsey on the updates for this thread everytime Oregon has played since mid-December. Boucher, too.
If Boucher didn't have a season ending ACL, I would've picked Oregon to win it all in a couple of my brackets. He's 24-25 years old, so may not have been picked 2nd round, but he's a vet who paired real well with Bell.
Bell has really stepped up since Chris Boucher went down.
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this out of nowhere player Jordan Bell .... impressive
6'10 pf... good rebounder... energy player... pretty explosive/strong... decent passer and improved shooter
Is that the Draymond Green of this draft?
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my man jackson now has 10 points and 9 rebounds....all of which may be too little, too late. :-[
still 4:52 left, but kansas down by 11.
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That Bell can play pretty well for a big.
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kansas coming back!!! 66 to 60, kansas down by 6 with 2:49 left.
UPDATE: well, now oregon leads 72 to 60 with less than a minute to go. adios kansas and jackson.
is tatum the only top four pick left playing now?
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Jackson actually reminds me a lot of Smart in the few games that I've watched him. He does a lot of the little things to help you win - plays excellent D, dishes the ball, rebounds, etc.
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I still take Jackson over the Lavar family .
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Jackson actually reminds me a lot of Smart in the few games that I've watched him. He does a lot of the little things to help you win - plays excellent D, dishes the ball, rebounds, etc.
He's like a bigger, better shooting Smart. Now that's scary!
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kansas coming back!!! 66 to 60, kansas down by 6 with 2:49 left.
UPDATE: well, now oregon leads 72 to 60 with less than a minute to go. adios kansas and jackson.
is tatum the only top four pick left playing now?
Tatum is long gone too. Monk and Fox are the top prospects left.
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this out of nowhere player Jordan Bell .... impressive
6'10 pf... good rebounder... energy player... pretty explosive/strong... decent passer and improved shooter
Is that the Draymond Green of this draft?
He doesn't have anything like Green's offensive game, but he's a great defender and rebounder. Needs to be able to at least hit a midrange jumper to make it at the next level.
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Where's Tyler Dorsey in your mock? ;)
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That Oregon team played great. Did not see that coming.
Jackson's early foul trouble really hurt Kansas rhythm.
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UPDATE: Sunday 3/26
NCAA Mens Tournament: Elite 8 2nd Day
2:20 CBS S Carolina/FLA Sindarius Thornwell(0),PJ Dozier(15)/D Robinson(1)
5:05 CBS KY/UNC Fox(0), Monk(5), Bam(3)/Jackson(44), Hicks (4), Tony
Bradley(5)
i'm picking the Carolinas: SC and UNC.
Who does everybody else have?
EDIT: TPs to all who posted tonight.
Not many more of the updates left.
NIT (Tue/Thur) next week and the NCAA Final Four/Championship Game next weekend.
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kansas coming back!!! 66 to 60, kansas down by 6 with 2:49 left.
UPDATE: well, now oregon leads 72 to 60 with less than a minute to go. adios kansas and jackson.
is tatum the only top four pick left playing now?
Tatum is long gone too. Monk and Fox are the top prospects left.
thanks. i had forgotten about duke being bumped. tp for the correction. ;D
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nbadraft.net has Sindarius Thornwell going at pick 38 to... The Boston Celtics.
Really think it would be nice to pick him up as a back-up 2 if/when we ship out Avery/Rozier.
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is tatum the only top four pick left playing now?
He went out even earlier and was gone about a week ago.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/duke-basketball-south-carolina-march-madness-loss
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nbadraft.net has Sindarius Thornwell going at pick 38 to... The Boston Celtics.
Really think it would be nice to pick him up as a back-up 2 if/when we ship out Avery/Rozier.
I love this guys game to be honest. Lights out shooter and a 6'9" wingspan to boot.
It also has us taking Beachem and Boucher later in the 2nd round, which is interesting. I'd much rather take a flyer on someone like Alpha Kaba than Boucher, mainly due to age, or even a guy like Nigel Hayes.
However it is very unlikely that we either a) keep the picks or b) keep the guys we take.
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UPDATE: Tuesday, March 28th
NIT SEMIS
7:00 ESPN Georgia Tech Ben Lammers (44)
Thursday Night, NIT Finals
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nbadraft.net has Sindarius Thornwell going at pick 38 to... The Boston Celtics.
Really think it would be nice to pick him up as a back-up 2 if/when we ship out Avery/Rozier.
I love this guys game to be honest. Lights out shooter and a 6'9" wingspan to boot.
It also has us taking Beachem and Boucher later in the 2nd round, which is interesting. I'd much rather take a flyer on someone like Alpha Kaba than Boucher, mainly due to age, or even a guy like Nigel Hayes.
However it is very unlikely that we either a) keep the picks or b) keep the guys we take.
TP, gouki.
Thornwell came to my attention after a 44/22 game vs "Bama in conference play, and after that game I started to include him in this thread's updates.
Granted, it was a quadruple OT game, but still very impressive stats. Kid's as tough as nails and gets to the line A TON!!
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nbadraft.net has Sindarius Thornwell going at pick 38 to... The Boston Celtics.
Really think it would be nice to pick him up as a back-up 2 if/when we ship out Avery/Rozier.
I love this guys game to be honest. Lights out shooter and a 6'9" wingspan to boot.
It also has us taking Beachem and Boucher later in the 2nd round, which is interesting. I'd much rather take a flyer on someone like Alpha Kaba than Boucher, mainly due to age, or even a guy like Nigel Hayes.
However it is very unlikely that we either a) keep the picks or b) keep the guys we take.
Second round mocks are far more useless than even first round ones. At this stage, they're not taking team needs into account (and won't usually until after the lottery). They're useful mostly as a general idea of where a guy might go, e.g. late in the second round.
That said, I think Thornwell looks like a good pickup with our Minny 2nd, although I'd guess he's going to go higher. Lots of other potential good picks in that range; Bell, Bryant, Jeanne, and Motley look good to me.
Hopefully we'll restock with Euro stashes with the later picks.
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UPDATE: Saturday, April 1st 2017
FINAL FOUR
6:09 CBS SC/Zags Thornwell(0), Dozier(15)/Collins(13), Wms-Goss (5),Karnowski(24)
8:49 CBS ORE/UNC Bell(1), Dorsey(5), Brooks (24)/Jackson(44),Hicks(4),Bradley(5)
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UPDATE: Monday 4/3
National Championsip Game
9:20 CBS Zags/UNC Collins(13), Wms-Goss (5),Karnowski(24)/Jackson(44),Hicks(4),Bradley(5)
Last update of the year. Great Year.
Over 30,000 views....hope everyone enjoyed the ride. It has been fun. We'll do it AGAIN next year.