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Other Discussions => Entertainment => Off Topic => Television => Topic started by: Roy H. on October 05, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
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This show is the best "small screen" superhero show going. Daredevil was excellent, and Kingpin is the best villain, but the world created in Luke Cage is immersive and compelling.
I wasn't a huge fan of Jessica Jones, but Netflix has nailed Daredevil, Punisher and Cage.
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Yeah they absolutely nailed the aesthetic. Strong Wu-Tang Clan vibes that will only get stronger once Iron Fist is in the mix.
And the musical performances are phenomenal so far (I'm midway through Ep 6). Some shaky acting by secondary characters is the only thing that brings it down at times, but Cage and especially Cottonmouth are fantastic. Really enjoying it.
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I've only watched the first season of Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I actually liked Jessica Jones more than Daredevil and Luke Cage was solid in Jessica Jones. At some point I will hit up Daredevil season 2 and Luke Cage, but now that regular tv is back that is a bit more difficult. Just too much to watch.
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I still prefer Daredevil, but really enjoyed Luke Cage.
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Jessica Jones was better but I'm enjoying it.
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Netflix is enjoying some nice success with these Marvel partnerships. But I wonder if Marvel retains all rights, as well for distribution, also if they have more series in the pipeline? (I personally would be ecstatic for a Deadpool series, if done right) I'm just really itching towards buying some Netflix stock... Tv is only keeping itself alive with sports.
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Yeah they absolutely nailed the aesthetic. Strong Wu-Tang Clan vibes that will only get stronger once Iron Fist is in the mix.
And the musical performances are phenomenal so far (I'm midway through Ep 6). Some shaky acting by secondary characters is the only thing that brings it down at times, but Cage and especially Cottonmouth are fantastic. Really enjoying it.
I'm so excited for Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Punisher, and whatever the team-up series will be. JJ season 2 as well, obv. Such a cool interwoven series of stories.
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Jessica Jones was better but I'm enjoying it.
Jessica Jones was good too but it needed to be about 3 episodes shorter. It just spun its wheels midway through with "We've got Kilgrave this time! Do we kill him? Nah, let's just make some bad decisions instead. Oh snap, he got away. Again. Sure hope he doesn't go do something terrible to a secondary character like last time!" Started really strong but it seemed like they had to stretch the plot out and it just felt like misery **** for most of the late middle.
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Iron Fist debuts March 17. Interested to see how Finn Jones aka Loras Tyrell from GOT handles the role.
Looks like the Defenders will debut in 2017 (that is the DD, JJ, Cage, Fist team up show). Likely the fall release date. That one is only 8 episodes.
The Punisher is currently filming so it may come out next year or the Iron Fist slot in 2018. Of course Jessica Jones season 2 is also in pre-production and will need a release date and at some point Daredevil's season 3 will need to come out. It looks like they may need to go from 2 to 3 show releases a year to keep up with all the new shows.
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Thought Luke cage was excellent. It was as good as Daredeveil but with a strong urban presence. The setting and the culture, Harlem, was a star of the show as was the music involved. Method Man in episode 11(?) was tremendous. Also, love the tongue in cheek swipes the series took at the comic book series at times("Diamondback is a real snake", "God I look ridiculous"(to Luke having his wrist bands and headgear on once he became Power Man)).
Loved the series and its tie in to other series and the Marvel movies. I love how the series really delves into the characters and humanizes the heroes. The movies, with much less time, spends so much time putting the characters into the requisite action scenes that sell the movies but the series put a ton of time into the development of the characters and makes the city and people of New York shine even through all its dirty, rundown underside.
Have to watch Punisher and am really looking forward to JJ2, which I hope is better than JJ1. JJ1 just dragged in my opinion and didn't tell enough about Jones' history.
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I only watched the first four episodes, but thus far I liked Jessica Jones and Daredevil more than Luke cage so far.
My issue with Luke Cage is that I wasn't a huge fan of the fight scenes. I just don't find it that interesting to see Luke Cage fight guys who are not capable of harming him.
I am assuming that I will like Luke Cage more, the more I watch it, but thus far I prefer the fight scenes in Daredevil, and the psychological thriller stuff in Jessica Jones.
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I liked season 1 of daredevil. I watched the first episode for Jessica jones and couldn't get into it. I watched a bit of daredevil season 2... Enough to get a sense of their take on the punisher, but then I lost interest. I can't say I'm all that interested to watch luke Cage.
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And the musical performances are phenomenal so far (I'm midway through Ep 6). Some shaky acting by secondary characters is the only thing that brings it down at times, but Cage and especially Cottonmouth are fantastic. Really enjoying it.
Great Music, and 100% on shaky acting by secondary characters.
The detective in Like Cage
Didn't like Fogy in daredevil
also some cool b-ball references including the Celtics
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I gotta say, it has a taste of blaxploitation to it. But intentionally
Luke cage was created during that era , and it seems to me they're giving a little tip of the cap to the original
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The Biggie pic in Cottonmouth's office is the best! Music is on point...Loving the series!! On episode 9.
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Jessica Jones was better but I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, Jessica Jones is my favorite of the Netflix superhero shows.
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JB likes it too!
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Just finished the Luke Cage series on @netflix great show ! Can't wait for the next season
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There are different things I like about each of the series (DD1 & 2, JJ, and Cage).
Overall, I'd have to say I liked Jessica Jones the most. That may have a lot to do with David Tennant more than anything, though.
In Daredevil season 2 the only parts I really liked were with Punisher and Wilson Fisk in prison. There should be more stuff like that and less about the moral struggles of Daredevil and Luke. I get that's part of the story, but it drags on when the same things get repeated over 10+ episodes. I want more story, less brooding. We all know these heroes are brooding. We can see it in their faces. We don't need redundant dialogue between characters that doesn't lead to anything we don't already know.
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New show- The Iron Fist.
I wonder if at some point all the Netflix Marvell shows will get connected. (Jones, Cage, daredevil)
Watched a couple of episodes, not too bad.
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Netflix tease for The Defenders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBZtM8q2Z1g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBZtM8q2Z1g)
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New show- The Iron Fist.
I wonder if at some point all the Netflix Marvell shows will get connected. (Jones, Cage, daredevil)
Watched a couple of episodes, not too bad.
The Defenders - Coming Soon!
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Cool!, I figured that may be the plan.
TP.
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Cool!, I figured that may be the plan.
TP.
I'm a Marvel fan. Two episodes left of Iron Fist. Found some great footage online of the making of The Defenders. Cool to see all of them together.
Went to see Logan 2x last weekend. Sad to see the Wolverine character gone, but his daughter is no joke!
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I'm about a quarter of the way through Iron Fist—so far, so good. Luke Cage has been my favorite so far, particularly because of the cool shoutouts to the original comic elements, like the yellow shirt, chain belt, and metal headband and cuffs. Really looking forward to the Defenders!
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Of the Marvel shows I've completed. I'd rank the them like this.
Jessica Jones
Daredevil Season 1
Luke Cage
Daredevil Season 2
As you can tell, not a fan of DD Season 2. It was far too disjointed and all over the place. It felt like 3 different seasons all melded together and not in a good way. It just didn't know what it wanted to be. I though JJ did a much better job of introducing Cage than DD did in introducing the Punisher, and Elektra, and the Hand. DD 2 had no real villain. It was just a mess.
Cage started off great, but then it felt like it should end around episode 7, but then dragged on for 6 more episodes with almost an entirely new show. Had they kept that season to 10 episodes I think it would have helped it a great deal. And I know they want to keep the heroes separate until the Defenders, but there were a couple of points where I'm wondering why Cage isn't picking up the phone to call JJ (since you know they know each other).
I'm about 7 episodes into Iron Fist. I like it a lot thus far, but at this point in Cage I thought it might be the best Marvel show and then it went down hill. Fist isn't as good as JJ or DD 1, but pretty solid show into the midway point.
I'm really looking forward to the Defenders which is only like 8 episodes so it should be a nice short compact series.
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what's up with the Logan spoilers just randomly in this thread. Not cool.
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Jessica Jones was better but I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, Jessica Jones is my favorite of the Netflix superhero shows.
Of all the Defenders-related stuff, Jessica Jones is the character I was least familiar with, but I ended up liking the series, in big part because Kilgrave was, to me, the most terrifying of all Marvel villains to date (movies included).
Also, I'm really hoping we get to see Hellcat.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
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So far for me its been
Daredevil 1
Luke Cage
Ironfist
Daredevil 2
Jessica Jones
Loved DD1 and especially D'Onofrio as Kingpin.
Cage had the most consistent quality and best storyline to me.
Ironfist had a great story but I think the guy playing Ironfist sucks and the character too many times comes off weak and dumb.
Daredevil 2 was just too disjointed.
Jessica Jones was just boring as hell
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
This is how I'd rank it too, with adding Iron Fist just above Jessica Jones. My issue isn't with the skin tone of Iron Fist, but rather that he's sort of whiney and annoying.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
It was driving me nuts when people were saying Marvel was being racist and white washing the casting. He's white in the comics, he's been that way since the 70's. It was during the Kung-Fu phase of pop culture.
If you really think about it, casting an Asian would have been more racist for some one who is a master of Fung-Fu than "white washing" the casting.
To me, Cage felt up and down felt like there did a lot of fillers in it. Jessica Jones was the same way, too slow at times, but love Tennant as Purple man. Didn't know how I'd feel about him playing the baddy after Doctor Who, but man he's good. Actually wanted him to voice Rocket in Guardians before Cooper got the gig.
They all have been good. DD has been the best, but he's the big character and I'm sure more goes into that show. Finally got a good Punisher. I like Iron Fist a lot, wish the fight scenes were a bit better, but it's harder to use a stunt double when you don't cover his face like they can in DD.
I can't wait for the Defenders, I'm hoping it's this fall and then have Punisher next spring. This way they can start staggering shows in fall and spring.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
This is how I'd rank it too, with adding Iron Fist just above Jessica Jones. My issue isn't with the skin tone of Iron Fist, but rather that he's sort of whiney and annoying.
Jessica Jones is the most interesting character of the lot.
I would rate:
Jessica Jones
Daredevil 1
Luke Cage
Daredevil 2 = Iron Fist
I was really disappointed in Daredevil 2. The choreography was so good, everything else suffered. Daredevil was a whiny baby, which didn't fit his profile. Iron Fist, like Luke Cage, is highly stylized. While Cage is super cool, Danny is portrayed as being quite odd and socially inept. That fits him since he grew up in a monastery. The special effects when he would get mad were silly, but for me, that worked. It felt to me like they were purposefully being over the top and cheesy.
Disclaimer: I don't know anything about comics.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
It was driving me nuts when people were saying Marvel was being racist and white washing the casting. He's white in the comics, he's been that way since the 70's. It was during the Kung-Fu phase of pop culture.
If you really think about it, casting an Asian would have been more racist for some one who is a master of Fung-Fu than "white washing" the casting.
To me, Cage felt up and down felt like there did a lot of fillers in it. Jessica Jones was the same way, too slow at times, but love Tennant as Purple man. Didn't know how I'd feel about him playing the baddy after Doctor Who, but man he's good. Actually wanted him to voice Rocket in Guardians before Cooper got the gig.
They all have been good. DD has been the best, but he's the big character and I'm sure more goes into that show. Finally got a good Punisher. I like Iron Fist a lot, wish the fight scenes were a bit better, but it's harder to use a stunt double when you don't cover his face like they can in DD.
I can't wait for the Defenders, I'm hoping it's this fall and then have Punisher next spring. This way they can start staggering shows in fall and spring.
While I do not think casting a white guy was racist, the history of Marvel is racist, though no more racist than media or society in general. Comic characters are heavily skewed white. And when Marvel decided to get on board with the growing popularity of Kung Fu movies, instead of just having an Asian character, they wrote a white one. It may have been a necessary business move based on who would buy the comic. I really can't say. But racism in society doe not necessarily involve bigotry.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
It was driving me nuts when people were saying Marvel was being racist and white washing the casting. He's white in the comics, he's been that way since the 70's. It was during the Kung-Fu phase of pop culture.
If you really think about it, casting an Asian would have been more racist for some one who is a master of Fung-Fu than "white washing" the casting.
To me, Cage felt up and down felt like there did a lot of fillers in it. Jessica Jones was the same way, too slow at times, but love Tennant as Purple man. Didn't know how I'd feel about him playing the baddy after Doctor Who, but man he's good. Actually wanted him to voice Rocket in Guardians before Cooper got the gig.
They all have been good. DD has been the best, but he's the big character and I'm sure more goes into that show. Finally got a good Punisher. I like Iron Fist a lot, wish the fight scenes were a bit better, but it's harder to use a stunt double when you don't cover his face like they can in DD.
I can't wait for the Defenders, I'm hoping it's this fall and then have Punisher next spring. This way they can start staggering shows in fall and spring.
Yeah, the criticism of Marvel over racial issues is ridiculous. They turned Nick Fury from white to black for the movies, for Pete's sake. Most fans of any published work don't like the source material being messed with too much—in the case of Fury, I think Sam Jackson has been great, and he's a rare example of a major change working.
Marvel also changed Dr. Strange's the Ancient One from an Asian man to a white woman, which I thought was silly but surely won some points from the pro-diversity/let's-not-risk-offending-Asians crowd.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
It was driving me nuts when people were saying Marvel was being racist and white washing the casting. He's white in the comics, he's been that way since the 70's. It was during the Kung-Fu phase of pop culture.
If you really think about it, casting an Asian would have been more racist for some one who is a master of Fung-Fu than "white washing" the casting.
To me, Cage felt up and down felt like there did a lot of fillers in it. Jessica Jones was the same way, too slow at times, but love Tennant as Purple man. Didn't know how I'd feel about him playing the baddy after Doctor Who, but man he's good. Actually wanted him to voice Rocket in Guardians before Cooper got the gig.
They all have been good. DD has been the best, but he's the big character and I'm sure more goes into that show. Finally got a good Punisher. I like Iron Fist a lot, wish the fight scenes were a bit better, but it's harder to use a stunt double when you don't cover his face like they can in DD.
I can't wait for the Defenders, I'm hoping it's this fall and then have Punisher next spring. This way they can start staggering shows in fall and spring.
While I do not think casting a white guy was racist, the history of Marvel is racist, though no more racist than media or society in general. Comic characters are heavily skewed white. And when Marvel decided to get on board with the growing popularity of Kung Fu movies, instead of just having an Asian character, they wrote a white one. It may have been a necessary business move based on who would buy the comic. I really can't say. But racism in society doe not necessarily involve bigotry.
Yet they changed the Ancient One from Asian to white in the Dr. Strange movie, allegedly to avoid offending Asians. So how can they win?
For most of Marvel's history, its comic books were created mostly, if not entirely, by white people, so of course most of the characters would be white. And if there had been a comic company at that time composed mostly of Asians, most of their characters would undoubtedly be Asian, because that would've been the primary experience of most Asians. Most people tend to write what they're familiar with, so most stuff written before the age of multiculturalism wouldn't be culturally diverse. That's not racist.
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I'm about 2/3 through Iron Fist right now.
I think most of the criticism is overblown. It's a little slow in parts but I don't mind that. If anything, I'd have liked a little more fleshing out of some of the story.
But, the one criticism that I think is fair is that Finn Jones has no Kung fu skills, and it shows. He never once struck me as a martial arts master. It's not all on Jones, though; the writers made Danny unfocused and undisciplined. If there's an explanation for that disconnect, it's not explained very well.
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The racial issue with Iron Fist originates in the 70s when they made the character - they're just being consistent with that now. Still an awkward look in modern times, especially with the standard "white guy parachutes into ancient, highly skilled society and becomes better than everyone who grew up there" trope.
More importantly, the show's not very good. Hokey and disjointed and Danny's not compelling as a character or as an action hero. And unlike Luke Cage none of the secondary actors are very strong either. I'm still watching it though :D
Marvel also changed Dr. Strange's the Ancient One from an Asian man to a white woman, which I thought was silly but surely won some points from the pro-diversity/let's-not-risk-offending-Asians crowd.
This was specifically to allow the movie to be released in China - the original Ancient One was Tibetan and it was seen as very unlikely China would allow a movie with a major Tibetan character to be distributed there. With Chinese audiences making up an increasingly large portion of sales it was much more a business decision than a PC one.
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I gotta admit, the fight scenes in Iron Fist is a little, weird? I'll use the word weird. It's not as good as Daredevil's or Luke Cage, it looked sloppy to me.
Other than that, I thought it was a good show. I didn't really get the harsh criticism for it. It's certainly the weakest show out of the four, but I don't think it's a bad show at all.
I've also read reviews about how it's "racist"? Because Danny is a blonde, white kid? But he has always been a blonde, white kid... I didn't get that.
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I think I'm about the only Marvel fan that didn't like Jessica Jones all that much.
I'd say:
Luke Cage
Daredevil I
Daredevil II
Jessica Jones
All have been somewhat uneven. The beginning half of Luke Cage was definitely better than the latter half. Daredevil II dragged when Punisher or Fisk wasn't on screen, but that season had incredible highs.
I haven't had time to watch Iron Fist yet, but the criticism that they cast a white character with a white actor doesn't concern me at all.
It was driving me nuts when people were saying Marvel was being racist and white washing the casting. He's white in the comics, he's been that way since the 70's. It was during the Kung-Fu phase of pop culture.
If you really think about it, casting an Asian would have been more racist for some one who is a master of Fung-Fu than "white washing" the casting.
To me, Cage felt up and down felt like there did a lot of fillers in it. Jessica Jones was the same way, too slow at times, but love Tennant as Purple man. Didn't know how I'd feel about him playing the baddy after Doctor Who, but man he's good. Actually wanted him to voice Rocket in Guardians before Cooper got the gig.
They all have been good. DD has been the best, but he's the big character and I'm sure more goes into that show. Finally got a good Punisher. I like Iron Fist a lot, wish the fight scenes were a bit better, but it's harder to use a stunt double when you don't cover his face like they can in DD.
I can't wait for the Defenders, I'm hoping it's this fall and then have Punisher next spring. This way they can start staggering shows in fall and spring.
While I do not think casting a white guy was racist, the history of Marvel is racist, though no more racist than media or society in general. Comic characters are heavily skewed white. And when Marvel decided to get on board with the growing popularity of Kung Fu movies, instead of just having an Asian character, they wrote a white one. It may have been a necessary business move based on who would buy the comic. I really can't say. But racism in society doe not necessarily involve bigotry.
Marvel also put out the spectacular "Master of Kung-Fu" with a Chinese hero, though colored VERY yellow-orangish, and another of their martial arts heroes, The White Tiger, was a Latino.
Flatly, there's nothing racist about the concept of Iron Fist unless there's also something racist about a story where a kid from Africa grows up to be a concert pianist. The Iron Fist comic of the 70s was also executed in a pretty non-racist way by the standards of the time. I haven't seen the TV show, so I can't comment on how it's presented.
Mike
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I'm about 2/3 through Iron Fist right now.
I think most of the criticism is overblown. It's a little slow in parts but I don't mind that. If anything, I'd have liked a little more fleshing out of some of the story.
But, the one criticism that I think is fair is that Finn Jones has no Kung fu skills, and it shows. He never once struck me as a martial arts master. It's not all on Jones, though; the writers made Danny unfocused and undisciplined. If there's an explanation for that disconnect, it's not explained very well.
I finished the whole thing and I agree that it wasn't as bad as the critics make it out to be.
However, I think the biggest reason it got killed is because it's easy to see the show's potential which makes it more frustrating that they didn't live up to it.
I had 0 interest in any of the Rand Corp stuff or any of the Meachem family. I'm assuming these characters become important in later seasons but it seems like they spent way too much time on characters that I really didn't care about. It is amazing to me that they spent so much time on that arch without devoting any story time on the lead up to the defenders forming.
As to the fight scenes, it seems like the filming was rushed so that they could get the show out on time and that is what made them less polished than they should be. Here is a quote from Finn on his martial arts training. Hopefully they will have him training hard until the next season comes out.
It was very intense to begin with. When I first moved over to New York, before I started actually filming, I had three weeks of very intense martial arts and weight training preparation. But then unfortunately once the show started, the filming schedule was just so tight – I was working 14 hours every day, six days a week, days into nights, nights into days – and actually my schedule didn’t allow me to continue the training as much as I really hoped.
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I'm about 2/3 through Iron Fist right now.
I think most of the criticism is overblown. It's a little slow in parts but I don't mind that. If anything, I'd have liked a little more fleshing out of some of the story.
But, the one criticism that I think is fair is that Finn Jones has no Kung fu skills, and it shows. He never once struck me as a martial arts master. It's not all on Jones, though; the writers made Danny unfocused and undisciplined. If there's an explanation for that disconnect, it's not explained very well.
I finished the whole thing and I agree that it wasn't as bad as the critics make it out to be.
However, I think the biggest reason it got killed is because it's easy to see the show's potential which makes it more frustrating that they didn't live up to it.
I had 0 interest in any of the Rand Corp stuff or any of the Meachem family. I'm assuming these characters become important in later seasons but it seems like they spent way too much time on characters that I really didn't care about. It is amazing to me that they spent so much time on that arch without devoting any story time on the lead up to the defenders forming.
As to the fight scenes, it seems like the filming was rushed so that they could get the show out on time and that is what made them less polished than they should be. Here is a quote from Finn on his martial arts training. Hopefully they will have him training hard until the next season comes out.
It was very intense to begin with. When I first moved over to New York, before I started actually filming, I had three weeks of very intense martial arts and weight training preparation. But then unfortunately once the show started, the filming schedule was just so tight – I was working 14 hours every day, six days a week, days into nights, nights into days – and actually my schedule didn’t allow me to continue the training as much as I really hoped.
The Meachems are very important in the original origin story. It seems like it was changed pretty substantially.
I think Jones is probably right that he didn't have enough time. It's just striking see him the scenes here as opposed to authentic martial arts actors. It's hard to suspend belief for Finn Jones when you've seen Bruce Lee, and The Iron Fist should theoretically destroy Lee.
For Season 2, I'm hoping for Jackie Chan fight scenes with Jones' face CGIed in. Haha.
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I finally finished Season 2. It's been a slog. The first 6 - 8 episodes of last season were so good, and they just quickly descended into poorly written, repetitive garbage.
There were a few bright spots, but overall pretty good acting and some interesting characters are being done in by a bad script.
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I finally finished Season 2. It's been a slog. The first 6 - 8 episodes of last season were so good, and they just quickly descended into poorly written, repetitive garbage.
There were a few bright spots, but overall pretty good acting and some interesting characters are being done in by a bad script.
Okay, its not just me. I have gotten to episode 4 in Season 2 but just have zero interest in watching anymore of the season. This entire second season sucks so far...through 4 episodes that is. I keep trying to convince myself that it will get better and end well but just haven't gone back yet.
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I have had the same problem in finishing season 2 of Jessica Jones, too.
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I finally finished Season 2. It's been a slog. The first 6 - 8 episodes of last season were so good, and they just quickly descended into poorly written, repetitive garbage.
There were a few bright spots, but overall pretty good acting and some interesting characters are being done in by a bad script.
Okay, its not just me. I have gotten to episode 4 in Season 2 but just have zero interest in watching anymore of the season. This entire second season sucks so far...through 4 episodes that is. I keep trying to convince myself that it will get better and end well but just haven't gone back yet.
Around episode 10 there are some good moments sprinkled in, but overall, the entire season could have been done in a tight 2 hour movie. And that sucks, because this series showed such potential at one point.
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I thought the Jessica Jones ones were the worst. A lot of my friends like her because of the physical attraction though David Tennant was great. I thought the things that made season one great was David T. But she was not around when I grew up reading comics and I tend to not care for the modern characters as much as the Gold, Silver and Bronze ones.
I like Luke Cage villians Cottonmouth and Bushmaster, and surprisingly Shades.